>come out of fucking nowhere to utterly wipe the floor with literally everyone>ingenious and innovative tactics that no one was ready for>psychological warfare FROM FUCKING HORSE BREEDERS>defeat Russia in the winter>conquer Afghanistan>go straight from hunter/gatherer nomads to empire>largest land empire in history>only fell because Chad successors of Chad conqueror fell to infighting as Chads always doHow does such a Black Swan/deus ex machina anomaly occur? What made them so good? And will they ever rise to similar heights again?
>>524063291>Nomad>Ruthless>On horseback>Kill everything because you are coomersTheir only "innovation" was horseback fighting, basically like fighting people in cars with guns today while on foot
>>524063570But everyone had horses and mounted combat units.
>>524063291They come as quickly as they go. The Children of Mu's Genetics were similar. Part Enki. Part Enlil. All furiousness. Their anger at the world stemmed from being forgotten. It is always the quiet one that snaps the hardest. The stick that doesn't bend, breaks the loudest. They aren't even the first of their kind. Before them came Huns. Before them Tartarians. Before them The Children of Mu. Every time these genes are forced into a vessel. It results in conflict internal and reflects externally.https://youtu.be/Qr0WT-3TiZ4
>>524063291Mobility is critical to military tactics. Many of the military advances that changed the world had to do with speed of movement.
>>524063626It was ranged combat from horseback that changed everything. The rest of the world was just using cavalry with swords and spears/lances. The denizens of the steppe perfected it because they had to in order to eat.
>150 years later, the gun was invented and then mongols were forever irrelevantthe roving tribe of bandits had its 15 minutes of fame. these horseniggers never built anything of note
>>524063291>ingenious and innovative tactics that no one was ready forit wasn't, the mogons traditions of horse riding come from the scynthians that they replace by mixing overtime.The scythians were the reason why alexander didn't conquer the entire eurasian continent.Scythians were white btw.
>>524063291They were so good because each man was competent. They weren’t peasants raised for an agrarian life and then conscripted into war at adulthood. The Mongols lived outside and each man was molded by the struggle to survive. Tamujin himself killed his own brother in an argument when they were kids.
>>524063899>these horseniggers never built anything of note>what is the silk road
>>524063291you forgot>humilliates the mudslimes at the height of their "empires"
>>524063626They weren't nomads who could travel as the entire tribe and live in your city and kill everyone. Normal conquerors would enslave the population and use them as labor, but these niggers had no homes so they had to take what other people hadCollapse of parasitism is inevitable
>>524064049they ended up being muslim themselves
>>524063291Disgusting subhuman, hope the chinks bomb this abomination one day
>>524064136doesn't really matter, after he died the mongol empire was done but while he was alive muhammads were his bitches
>>524064136Tell that to the khwarezmian shah
we wuz emperors and sheiitt
>>524064049Touche. Also>practiced true meritocracy within military>Established a multicultural, multi religious society that worked for a time
Alexander Khan Napoleon Trump
The Mongol Conquests weren't a black swan. North China was already under the control of proto-Mongols (Khitan) and then Tungusic Jurchens (identical DNA to Mongols lol). Most of North China and even parts of South China had repeatedly been under the control of various Turkic and Qiangic governments or at least originating royals for the previous millenium too. Before the Mongols a lot of the grassland had already been previously united under the First and Second Turkic Empires. What happened was the Jin (Jurchen Dynasty) had a policy of trying to hire and fire and pit grassland Mongolic and Turkic groups in clan wars against each other for national security reasons while their own polity was weakening. This culminated in the Khamag Mongol confederation eventually getting tired of it and maybe developing a sense of nomadic national identity.
>>524063291The Huns were a much bigger threat to western civilization than the Mongols. The Mongols suffered enormous losses once their forces were deep into Europe, but we will likely never know the true reason why they chose to retreat, and made no effort to maintain the lands they had conquered.
>build a bunch of castles>horse archers can't win battles anymoreLiterally everyone realized this from Poland to Hungary the second time they faced them and they lostThey were also almost stopped entirely by a bridge and some crossbows
>>524063570>>524063626The key aspects on how mongolians were that overpowered is that almost all of them were hunters on horseback by trade and had moderate experience handling both bows and lances, had natural strength of rural people and most importantly was their horses, the sacred Adu, which technically are classified as ponies.What makes this pony so special is that it's relatively fast for a pony, it's small so it turns quickly and it's resilient as fuck in terms of maintenance due to the steppe conditions, that meant it could eat almost anything as they even grazed dirt, burrow into the ground by itself, didn't need special care for coating and its war training was already done in the hunting conditions, also a source of food because mongols had techniques to use the mare's milk and make dried goods out of the fallen units.Meanwhile other people had to train the horses, take care of them, give them different food, cavalry practically had an entire small army supporting the needs of the animals while mongol ponies only needed the rider and perhaps another one for every squad, they were practically oversized dogs that could also bring milk to make yogurt. And almost everyone had one so everyone was cavalry.Add the fact mongols were also seasoned campers and could live anywhere with quick setups you had a very agile moving army with low maintenance. Their only real flaw was that they sucked at urban combat and didn't know what to do in sieges other than commit psychological warfare of raping and eating people in front of the sentries.Injuns had a similar profile in the Indian Wars but their horses weren't as good and the Euros had superior technology and stock to make afront of the injun's mobile and resilient advantages, also even bigger numbers at some point too. Despite that the injun still gave a respectable fight with many soldiers of the Civil War mentioning the indian wars were more tiring and degrading than the full-front formal set pieces.
>>524064813Lol you make it sound like "yeah Khan and the boys just felt like it one Sunday. Then they got bored and went home."
>>524063291this is going to hurt:k
>>524064813>know the true reason why they chose to retreat, and maDude, Mongols are first nation that lost to Ru-ians (!) and natives who lived there.
>>524065079Basically, natives who lived in current rus territory, was robbing mongols. That's why Mongols put their own Tzar to rule rus.
>>524063899>these horseniggers never built anything of noteMarco Polo heavily disagrees>>524064213>doesn't really matterThat's the entire point on why the Golden Horse fought against the Il-Khanate, the mongol civil wars, along with the fact the khans thought the heir was a bastard kid.
>>524065304>>524064006by "built" i mean invented and constructed things out of building materials yes they administrated a large region (of mostly shitskins and chinks) for 150 years. that's not the same thing as being a creative force like Rome or Greece
>>524063917Scythians weren’t white. They are genetically closest to Turkic people like Bashkirs, Turkmens, Uzbeks
>>524064976nice breakdown>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiQm5Fh5NjElink shows how even modern mongol steppe people continue to manhandle horses, even western horse training manuals will tell you that physical domination is one of the primary means of communicating with them
>>524065439>t. "german" Turkmen
>>524063917It's just sad when you see a white who's gluttoned himself on hyperborean coolaid and can't let any other race have their moment in the sun.
>>524063899>these horseniggers never built anything of notesedentary civilizations? no, but that's structural and geographical not because of their inability, steppe central asia is dry and cold, doesn't support agrarian societies that support city statesthey did innovate and implement lots of cultural and governance ideas that are still in use today, things like pony express messaging (fastest in the world at the time), paper money (khublai khan, grandson of genghis), religious tolerance, delegated rule, using merit and political/warfighting capability to select leaders instead of bureaucratic/religious doctrine, unironically women's rights because men being away for long periods of time and leaving the family in isolated nomadic enclaves meant the women had to be stronger and more independent, the women also learned to regulate emotions internally and focus on practical functionality over emotional support during hardship etc...
>>524065420They made the stone pagodas and if we use material more broadly we can say mongols in China perfected the wood furniture and porcelain quality peaked until new forms were developed in the 19th century.In terms of actual places and cities, they got burned down or razed, Xanadu being the most famous example, Bagchasaray being another although quite small and to be fair current-day Beijing was in urban-terms re-founded as a capital city by the mongols after they had razed the previous place.>creative force like Rome or GreeceThese were a culture of warriors, not NEETs like the greeks or bureaucrats as the Romans, very few civilizations can compared to them. Still they did pull through in terms of creativity with smallwares like ornaments and furniture in their own style that still last to this day, if you eat from a white porcelain plate with blue ink on a china place.
>>524065439>>524066102Technically speaking the Scynthians were white as fuck according to genetic studies, chestnut-haired blue-eyed with long beards with a predisposition to be red-haired too due to Thracian genes, but worked like steppe nomads and had lived customs similar to the Zoroastrians. Considering mountain Iranids/Persians can also get long bears, blue eyes and brown hair it does check. Uzbeks, for example, are practically proto-injuns so they are not similar to them unless we count assimilation centuries after the Scynthian downfall, but that's like comparing an old caste spaniard with a current day mexican mestizo.
>>524064968They had siege engines in the East. It was more the terrain. Forests and mounted horse archers don't mix.
>>524063291>How does such a Black Swan/deus ex machina anomaly occur?Society bans child brides.Men stop working.Men stop defending women and their society.Society is destroyed.Humans wiped out.Man left.Humans then are re-bred.Seethe at Man.Demand Man be enslaved and castrated.Men stop working.Men stop defending women and their soceity.Society is destroyed by outside band of the species Man.Humans wiped out.Man left.Humans are then re-bred.Seethe at Man.Demand Man be enslaved and dick and balls chopped off for heaven (matthew 19, greek).Child brides banned (millstone).Massive police armies created to enforce thisMen stop working..Humans demand all Men on earth submit to Humanity and the god of Humanity: Jesus.Men stop defending society.Humans attack "not human enough" society with...
>>524063291>get cucked by mountains
>>524063899This is true. There was no Mongolian law, music, dance, literature, architecture, or language outside of a word or two that has made a lasting impact on the world. All they did was destroy.
>>524063899>>524069798mongols were arguably ahead of the west in logistics and administration, developed paper money, postal systems etc
The point that Predictive History (Jiang) makes is that history has shown that the racial cohesiveness and nothing-to-lose acts of barbarians teaches us to be on the lookout for an attack on our society from better disciplined people who are poor, and have to innovate because they know they are going up against a stronger force.
>>524070004India is doing this with exporting their poolies to the west to bring it down, because it's their only vector of attack.
>>524069982They did, or they wouldn't have won. They still left no lasting impact, other than the destruction left in their wake. They would give people the option of becoming slaves or becoming dead. It was horrifying to everyone in their way.
>>524070082Yes. Now, what do we do about it? Their disgusting statues of monkey-men should be enough to repel us. Jews are using them as a biological weapon. That is our weak point, allowing a small, cohesive enemy to infiltrate our leadership position. The Epstein case is HOW they did it. We wrongfully had a collective expectation of people playing fair at the game of social competition.
>>524063291>go straight from hunter/gatherer nomads to empireincorrect. steppe nomads were herders eating mainly meat and milk-based foods from their sheep, goats and cows.
>>524068273Those siege engines were Chinese ones that were only good at walled cities, which have very typical weak fortifications. Forests also exist in China btw.I'm literally telling you, Bela IV from Hungary told everybody to just fortify your castles and build more, that's it, no other strategy, and the Mongols got wiped in 2nd round
>>524063291They have big brains.
>>524064006>>what is the silk roadThe silk road required high-trust instiutions that could manage large credits and then complex delegation of tasks over months.Even the Ottomans couldn't do participate and resorted to taxing the shit out of the silk road - nearly destroying it - until the Crusades BTFO'd them.So no, the Mongols deserve no credit for it. Pretty much only the Romans, later Venetians and Florentines and the Chinese made it happen.
>>524063291Back then cities were small and easy to cut off all supplies
>>524063291>largest land empire in historyis there any actual proof of that meme? as in, any administrative records showing they held sway from the black sea to the yellow sea at the same time? this is obviously logistically impractical but would love to see actual evidence other than academic speculations
>>524063291Divine mandate directly from Tengri. There is nothing stopping you when you get divine mandate from a God.
>>524063849ranged combat from horseback was known in the Europe from times of war against Persia, then Attilla the Hun, then invasion of Avars then invasion of Hungarians
>>524065439>Scythians weren’t white.yes, they were, dorkand they weren't turkic, they were indo-aryans.
>>524073462scythians were white in the west, a little bit asian in the east and a little bit brown in the south just like in china, they are sea monkey in the south and mongol in the north
>>524065439It was proven that they were white, you fucking retarded shitskin-desert muttslime.Not only genetic evidence but descriptions by the greek philosophers on alexander army, fucking dumb ignorant buffoon.You think mongols are sometimes born with red hair, blond hair, and blue eyes for no reason?Typical abrahamic spawn.
>>524064136Genghis Khan blew out Islam so hard that you're all inbred stone age retards to this day. God bless Temujin, the bane of Allah and semites
>>524073007Nothing back then would really meet the modern standards of holding sway, even rulerships like the Mongols were like>Hey, we'll be back next year, make sure you have a tribute for us by then>Okay bye~and then you'd be back to doing your own shit until they showed up again. Even the famously organized Romans had a roughly similar structure of mostly leaving people to self-rule while collecting taxes from them, but that was still counted as those people being part of the empire.Compare that to modernity where you can work at a local gas station that updates the corporate ownership in North Carolina every single day on what inventory has left the stock, what money came in and that taxes were paid, all of which also gets shared with the central government that controls an entire continent. The guy at HQ can fucking watch you do your entire shift as a grunt-level employee if he wants by just calling up the security footage. He can do that to any of his grunts who could be as widely distributed as several different continents.
>>524073314It's weird that it took Europe so long to adapt to fighting it.Parthia single handedly held back Rome's expansion east by just dancing around with ranged cavalry and cataphracts
>>524063291They got hard countered in Europe with fortifications and mass foot archers.
>>524074325>Nothing back then would really meet the modern standards of holding swaySorry but that's just wrong, pretty much all of western Europe can have its polities mapped out in the 13th century thanks to detailed records of church and noble estates. So to me it sounds like historians don't have a clue and just assume wherever they think those thugs showed up meant "imperial jurisdiction" across the entire continent. That's ludicrous.
>>524066557Rome did nearly all of those things centuries before Mongols showed up.
>>524069982>logistics>administrationoh wow. Rome moved shit around, too, you know? In fact, they even built roads to facilitate that task. Medieval Europe had tally sticks and notes of credit, too. The fact is that the horseniggers folded not too long after they ran into 6'+ White men in Hungary and they were no longer win by raiding little unprotected villages on the Pontic Steppe (or by fighting worthless shitskins). Why does nobody give the same credit to the Russians who, 200 years later, took horses and guns of their own, and brutally pushed back the vile horde of horsegooks all the way to the Pacific Ocean?
>>524063291Because in the times of unproffesional armies he had whole nation based on fighting
>>524063291The mongols got lucky that every other nation would rather be a crab in a bucket than unify to fight against them. So the mongols just about punked the entire world mafioso-style “better pay me or I’ll fuck you up! I did it before!”. Dont be a onions boy beta cuck mongol worshiper
>>524063291>What made them so good?They were men fighting against slaves.The rest of the world had adopted the grain diet that sacrifices everything for population growth while the Mongols had a meat diet that was better in every way for the individual. Combined with the natural hardiness required from a hunter gatherer lifestyle compared to the fairly passive agrarian lifestyle and you had a bunch of essentially super soldiers vs starving slaves.It was obviously unsustainable in the long run because the growth focused nations had significantly more population so their losses were largely replacable while the Mongol's couldn't really afford to take many losses, but their superiority allowed them to inflict crushing defeats in critical battles that shattered morale which enabled them to stretch their relatively limited resources to its full extent.
>>524065439Scythians were definitely white. You’re thinking of sarmatians and other related pontic steppe populations. But even then, they are closer to tajiks, pashtun and a few other central asian minorities than uzbeks and turkmen.
>>524063291>utterly wipe the floor with literally everyoneOnly other barbarians.The instant he encountered western civilization he was stopped.
>>524063291>father was poisoned by political rivals>family was abandoned by his clan, his mother had to raise 7 children in extreme poverty, surviving by hunting>killed his older half-brother for dominance in the family>captured and enslaved, but escapes>kills his rivals and creates one of the greatest empires in history, killing over 40 million>rapes so much that his descendants make up over 0.5% of the global populationGenghis Khan was simply built different.
>>524075440They beat the hungarians, who were already pretty civilized at that point, and turned tail because of the death of the khagan. That gave the europeans the time to adapt their tactics to counter them, but they absolutely weren’t ready in the first campaigns.
>>524069560>society bans child bridesIf you cant breed because you cant get along with women because they arent children no man, in any point in history, would allow you near their daughter, incel. If your entite fucking gripe with humanity is that you dont have access to children then their isnt a win-condition for you at any point in history or the future. Teenagers didnt stop getting pregnant, dipshit. Why do pedos think these retarded arguments hold up when they arent even thinly veiled to be anything more than whining that father's wont let them fuck their kids?
>>524075919>hungariansLOL.Like I said: barbarians.
>>524075822by all modern standards these people were psychopathsimagine killing your borther
>>524063291>>524063570They were such chads, they rear-ended a Hungarian crusade against Bosnia in the 13th century, killing the Hungarian king. They never advanced into Bosnia due to the mountains.
Did the mongols ever fight actual armies? Or did they just really quickly conquer a bunch of no-name unarmed peasant farmers over a large land area?
They owned a fuckload of nothing barren landForests and mountains fucked them
>>524076198Yes, in China, Persia, Anatolia and Hungary. Other regions they invaded were mostly fragmented.
>>524076198They were incredibly well-versed in sieges too. They destroyed some of the biggest cities in the world at the time in Central Asia. The land trade hubs of the world really.
>>524064304would go genghis khan on them if you catch my drift
>>524064104They were more accurately described as locust swarms. Part of the reason Genghis kept conquering was just to sustain it's growing horde for both pasture and loots
>>524064136Only some of them. They had no culture and will default to the culture of their conquest. They became more Chinese after ruling over chinks they conquered
>>524076961>locust swarmsturkroaches of the east
>>524075822>>rapes so much that his descendants make up over 0.5% of the global populationimagine the number of STDs he got. He probably died because of them.
>>524076108Out of all the things he did, that is one of the most justifiable.Imagine you (14) and your 6 (young) siblings living in the wilderness, barely scraping by, and your half brother starts taking all the spoils from hunting. The food that (YOU) acquired, to feed yourself and your family.Would you just starve to death? Would you let your siblings starve?
>>524075030>Why does nobody give the same credit to the Russians who, 200 years later, took horses and guns of their own, and brutally pushed back the vile horde of horsegooks all the way to the Pacific Ocean?because russians could do anything in the first place only because mongols were a shadow of themselves at that pointpretty much same with europeans "conquering" rome
Doesn't Mongolia still have the highest testosterone in the world, no wonder chuds are butthurt kek, a mongol can buttfuck an america chud and it wouldnt be gay because american chuds have the same T levels as women LOL
>>524076006>hag moment
>>524075919what? they never beat the hungarians, they invided twice and shortly after withdrewusing this kind of cope (winning a battle = winning a war) is organized crime tier cope>>524076017you will be deported to india, where you belong
>>524064006>what is the silk roadNah that was my nigga ross who just got released from jail this year
>>524075030It was plate mail armored knights and stone castles that stopped the Mongols. Their main tactics involved firing bows from horse back but that didn't do shit against plated knights and when they'd mass numbers to try to overwhelm knight based armies the Hungarians simply retreated into their castles.They also never went North to the Baltic because dense forests and swamps don't do well for horses.
>>524063899>>150 years later, the gun was invented and then mongols were forever irrelevantthey fell into irrelevancy far before the invention of the gun
They had some unusual customs.They abhorred traitors. If someone came to try to give them secrets for money or favors they were tortured to death.They went really hard on cities that refused immediate surrender. I mean REALLY hard.
>>524063291Average Russian Prince of that time had like 5-10 pro warriors in his court + 20-50 levy farmers militia.
>>524069560Millstone doesn't ban child brides but offending them that wayLittle girls are the only ones willing to do it for love and that's what the kikes can't stand
>>5240632911. He realized the power his people held over their neighbors2. He discovered the primordial truth
