Natalist population bros, is this going to work?
>>524089109i remember a time when they were having their daughters aborted because of overpopulation. what changed?
>>524089109What's the meaning of life without having kids
>>524089254imagine a country with 1 billon people with 60-70% being over 60.
>>524089254they really fucked themselves demographically and are trying to come back.The idea that couples won't use condoms because they're too expensive and will just have a baby instead is odd....
>>524089254Exactly that + population moving to urban centers, male and females working too much and not being able to raise a family = demographic suicide.
>>524089254They aborted an entire generation, and then the replacement rate never recovered. China is about a generation ahead on the birthrate crisis. Nothing they have tried has worked.
>>524089390>they really fucked themselves demographically and are trying to come back. imagine a country for every female there's 7 males, they really, reaally fuck their gender ratio.
Is this the daily China doom thread?
>>524089485If china had a problem dosen't mean it's going to collapse, all countries have problems on degrees. This whole board it's people complaining about thier countries problems and most aren't collapsing.
>>524089254>what changed?Nothing, it's communism. They are reaping the rewards of that failed policy and have decided to put in a new policy that will fail. Fact is, when you try to control something as innate as human procreation, you are already in a losing battle. That'd be like me trying to control hunger or happiness. The communist mind thinks you can regulate your way out of demographics. Here's the gist of what happened: >Mao tells people have to have kids>people have fuck ton of kids>government panics>institutes 1 child policy>people only want boys because they are basically a retirement policy>mass femicide ensues>government thinks it can fix that with doing a 2 child policy (lol)>fixes nothing>30 + surplus males with no mate>work culture that is brutal>prices in big cities for housing go through the roof>population numbers plummet to around 1 child nationally>"I know! We'll tax condoms more!"Yeah, good luck.
Lol no one talking about the capitalist dating systemJust working too hard huh
>>524089309Uh, lack of personal accomplishments detected, don't you know that any pursuit or concern other than maximizing your socioeconomic status is just cope for losers?>>524089109They have the degree of political control to allow them to ratchet up the level of compulsion until it does
Yeah totally nothing to do with western dating habits brosNothing to see about 10% fucking the 90% amd dumping themOhhh noo working too hardThats what we tell the japs while turning them into cum dumpsters too
>>524089390I feel like if the chinks thought their current "decline" was an existential threat to any measure they would do COVID level of coercion to have their people make kids. But instead they just gradually remove some of the restrictions they had to control their population.So I don't think they are too alarmed by it, they are already successfully automating their factories, their main concern has always been their reliance on food import so for them to get back down to 500 millions wouldn't be so bad. Mutts keep saying that as if it's a L for the chinks, conveniently forgetting to mention that China has 4 times the pop of America and probably 8 times if we're comparing apples to apples in terms of actual humans (Han Chinese to White Americans).
>>524089109I don't get it, why do stupid half measures like this if you're an authoritarian one party state? You already made a one child policy, is making abortion and contraceptives illegal really a huge step from that?
>>524089109they will just not have sex that is retarded>cost of having a child vs just jacking yourself off.you tell me the math on that stupid chinks, they will just stop pentration>>524089254>>524089390>>524089391>>524089404>>524089636it was actually a fake number, see the governments and the schools got paid per child so they lied about the number of children to get more money and then when they became tax paying citizens? many those fake children go found out and now they realize there was less pop and they freaking out.
Lowering the age won't change anything, you need to start taxing women for not having kids over 25/ I would say 30 but things are dire enough you can't 'let them have their fun' or whatever. You need to give men careers. You need to ban porn, camwhoring, selling their pussy to arab men. If a government constantly does stupid shit- which is probably just being done to enable old guys to fuck teens, instead of enabling young guys to get wives anyway- then nothing will be fixed. The REFUSAL of boomers to put any onus on women is why nothing is working. Women have no reason to marry at 25 unless from a 'trad' community, and then you get the used up old 40yo roasties trying to sabotage 40yo men trying to get to those younger trad women in the first place.China is retarded
>>524089636woah the indians are gonna inherit the earth
>>524089951>is making abortion and contraceptives illegal really a huge step from that?China don't work as a main leader (Xi) that say something and it's made reality on local social policies, there's higher ups that don't want to outlet abortion and contraceptives since the base of the party ideology it's still communist and even as superficial it is, abort and choice for women it's part of it.
>>524089109more diseases yaygreat thinkingthe famous Asian IQ
>>524090084Stalin and Ceausescu made abortion illegal. In modern day Laos abortion is illegal. There's nothing within communism that mandates that abortion be legal.
>>524089962Considering how dysfunctional Moaist China was, it wouldn’t surprise me if the number of children was being overreported. The incentive to lie to the central government in China is insane, so we have no idea how many people are actually even alive in China. Somewhere between 800 million and 1 billion seems to be the general consensus since the light pollution study. If their internal reporting on demographics is this bleak, you can only assume it is an order of magnitude worse.
>>524089109You have a white elephant in the room issue that can't be addressed by anyone. That is, you have billions of elderly people not working but collecting benefits and voting to restrict housing developments. That's before many other social barriers to reproduction. This can't be solved without dreadful changes to the structure and temperament of society so we all get the status quo until the Boomers die off in the 2040's. A total ban on birth control would be a start but those new people need somewhere to live and their parents have to get used to a horrifyingly lower quality of life.
>>524089254chinks are the most self-destructive race of people there is, just behind niggers. if you look at their history, it's a series of one horrible decision after another. starting from the era of warring dynasties to the current day. the one child policy is another brilliant chibksect solution to so-called resource scarcity. their population pyramid will look like an inverted triangle in a couple of decades. in fact, it's a miracle they are still around as a nation.
>>524090299yeah and after Stalin left the sv they put it again, the orther two we're/are minor actors that make diferent policie choice, china as the main big one have higher ups and females in the party that don't want to overrule it, there's even some retarded 80yers old that think that overrule the one child policie was bad.
>>524089109How the fuck did they go from killing female babies to penalizing condoms in 20 years?Are these people fucking retarded?
>>524090001Damn, almost a get.But no, it'll be the Africans that will be the last to have a large population. Might be a mix of Indians and Africans because Indians are still such a large population.
>>524089109Nah, what would work is National Socialism. As in give people a bright future to look out for, instead of failing states full of niggers. Look at a school in Britain, who wants to put a daughter there to be gang-raped by niggers in a school bathroom before she turns 11?And the another prong is that kikes have captured the housing market in many places its simply too expensive to have more children so families have 0-1. Whites are not rats like jeets and need space and if there is no space for the kids they will not be had.Again, fixable by National Socialism, not only is there zero-interest housing loans for families, but 25% of the loan gets forgiven for each child. Have 4 White children, and the house is free. An excellent investment for future.>inb4 its too expensive to just give families housesIn White nations the average cost for a single nonwhite migrant is $1,000,000+ over its lifetime and we have hundreds of millions of them now. It is EASILY affordable to invest into White families housings when we have removed all the parasitesNot to mention the economic boom effect it creates, when Whites have to pay less taxes because there is no longer niggers on gibs, and there now jews charging interest on the loans at the state level, and then Whites dont have to put half their paycheck towards paying a rentier jew or a banker jew for the housing, they suddenly have so much more discretionary money available that when the White goes to spend it, it creates need for new venues, services and products to spend all that money on, and when those are created to match the demand, it improves the economy, which creates further need for products, and so on, a self reinforcing cycle of economic boom.This is why NSDAP Germany's economy grew the fastest of any economy ever, in the six pre-war years Germany TRIPLED their economy, thats why Hitler was Time's Man of the Year in 1938, before jews started a campaign of "Hitler bad and must be destroyed"
>>524090595As much as some want to say America and Europe abort tons of people, i think china have been without irony the only and the most literal *anti-natalist* country.
>>524089254>destroy your country because you aborted your femalesI thought chinks were high IQ?
>>524090001>off by oneguess again.
>>524090595When the party goes on for decades and birth control/abortion is how you keep the party rolling, you end up broke and old with nobody to care for you. You could do mass immigration but only sub Saharan Africa has above replacement rates. That's not enough to supply China alone, much less the rest of the world. The Globalists really ruined a good time with their dread of smart commoners. We now enter into the long contraction.
>>524089843I don't think the gradual pace at which they're ramping up the coercion reflects a lack of alarm, but rather the preference to only ramp it up to the minimum degree necessary to achieve the desired fertility rate. Contrary to westoid bluster about how Chyna is an authoritarian nightmare state ruling with an unfeeling iron first, the CCP is sensitive and responsive to the mood of the population - the implicit social contract is that in exchange for ceding political freedoms, the government is proactive about identifying and rectifying sources of discontent. Thus, they'd be averse to imposing draconian solutions like "all women must have 3 children by law" at a stroke, because it would almost certainly outrage the population and thus violate that implicit contract. But, if it did come to the point that such measures were the only way to achieve the desired result, by trying (and failing) to achieve it through gradual and incremental steps first the government will have demonstrated that it's only resorting to more extreme measures out of necessity, rather than bureaucratic callousness, which (it would be hoped) would increase the likelihood of the population consenting to it, if begrudgingly
>>524091011>We now enter into the long contraction.This process pretty much start in like 1930 (in europe) and just now the effects are see, it's going to be a long path for all of us.
>>524091011I got a few boats to send china's way, they are saved
The declining birthrate is not an economic problem. It is a question of whether society as a whole views children as a cost or as proof of continuity from ancestors.Even for communists, the latter is a reactionary view of underdeveloped countries, and since women's education and advancement in society are obvious progress for them, they can never resolve it.They crave recognition from other countries and fear being labeled backward. Even Khamenei boasts about the achievements of girls' education in Iran, and Iran is naturally experiencing a declining birthrate.
>>524089109I volunteer to inseminate chink pussies
>>524089109not high enough
>>524091063They are no longer a revolutionary state, and with communism now viewed as a joke, the source of the regime's ideological legitimacy is shaken.They are forced to pay close attention not only to materialistic growth figures but also to public sentiment and individual well-being. And they constantly assert progress; regression into a backward society clinging to traditional values is unacceptable.The notion that Xi Jinping is a strongman who can do whatever he wants is also an illusion. He is not some Manchurian emperor dictator with unique legitimacy through bloodline, but rather a Communist Party princeps.
>>524089109>governments will do anything but actually deal with the actual issue, removing women's rightslmfao nah, people will just use alternatives
>>524091687The way to thread the needle on women's liberation and fertility is to have a kibbutz-style socialization child rearing, so that families are neither expected to do it all themselves (which in practice requires one parent to stay home) nor to pay out the nose for commercial childcare (for the privilege of having their kids be watched over by minimum wage drones treating them with somewhere between apathy and abuse). The problem being that this requires both a high-trust community and substantial subsidy of both the resources necessary to raise the kids and the livelihoods of the portion of the community who aren't earning a wage while they're watching over them - i.e., national socialism
>>524089109do they even make condoms that small?
>>524089109Contraceptives should be illegal
>>524092596Jews are one of the few ethnic groups that deliberately cling to their continuity, while spreading propaganda urging others not to do so.The socialization of childcare costs has been attempted in every developed nation, yet it has never worked. The problem lies in the very values that view children as costs or expensive pets. More fundamentally, it is the modern value system itself that views humans as merely a collection of atomized individuals united by abstract ideologies.
>>524091687It is both an economical problem and a societal problem. Did you not read the thread? I already explained here >>524090729 that healthy NatSoc policies will fix the birthrate problem and many other problems too
>>524093180>Jews are one of the few ethnic groups that deliberately cling to their continuity, while spreading propaganda urging others not to do so.Mostly the orthodox ones, and here the thing with them: They don't care about life quality, unlike most people of the developet world and secular jews, they could live in Yemen level of life quality and being the same on 90% of things, they live here in trashy neighboors and in israel they live of gov gibs and have tons of children that don't do anything besides read the torah and maaaybe play football.The high birth rate of israel it's mostly the number of orthodox women that have 6 children per couple.
>>524093468Also they have arranged marriages*
>>524089109>Tax on banging whoreskek. This will not work the way they think. Until they remove feminism which is completely contradictory to their retarded commie ideology this will not work.
>>524093433It is fundamentally a matter of culture, a matter of values. The economy merely multiplies that value; multiplying zero by any number is meaningless. This has been proven in the modern era.The enormous budgets allocated by nations for countering declining birth rates are being drained by immigrants and ethnic minorities. Even they become imbued with the local values over generations and eventually fall into declining birth rates themselves.
>>524093180>More fundamentally, it is the modern value system itself that views humans as merely a collection of atomized individuals united by abstract ideologies.Yes exactly, and jews have been very much the ones pushing this, especially for Whites.Make the Whites think individually about themselves, and not think about happiness you get from continuing your bloodline for doing what is right for the White race and do your part.In fact thats why Whites are so unwell today is because jews are propagandizing Whites to be everything they aren't, we evolved to be collectivist and want to work towards common good but now the jew is pushing the brown thinking on Whites that its all a zero-sum game and people should be scammer parasites trying to steal as much as possible for themselves without giving a shit about anyone, and Whites are not good at that and dont feel well in such a shitty society.Whites also are K-selected when breeding like elephants put more resources for the offspring and have less of them while nonwhites are r-selected they breed like rats no matter what dont care what happens to the kidsSo even if Whites don't recognize it through all their brainwashing consciously, when they see our streets and schools filled with people that aren't us and at least subconsciously know that we're being taken over and if the jews are not killed and the multiculturalism stopped the place of their grand-grandchildren will be slaves in a brown society, they instinctually know that something is wrong and are not having kids.
>>524092596>basically bringing back the brainless boomer's era system what for? high trust in the system that's likely gonna sell your kids for israel's upcoming wars like they did for more than a century?>The way to thread the needle on women's liberation and fertility is to have a kibbutz-style socialization child rearingthe system basically works that way already, the money redistribution mostly benefits single moms and settled families which are most likely pro-active participants within the system. Not every kid may wanna die for Israel but the system is planned in a way that the money they invest into society comes back as new soldiers to fight for their interests as well as maintaining the status quo by participating in it. Hence they have no issue shilling anti-natalist ideas because that way they overtime get rid off possible opposition, while still draining them off their resources, its a crooked system for the goycattle.However, they also need participants via pro-natalist views. The "freedom" in which both ideologies can co-exist within the same society is part of their plan, both gains and losses are within their expectations.On the bright side, resources are becoming scarce and they are cutting back programs, albeit none of them have affected these families as well. I'll consider it a victory once it does because that means the boomer system will finally be gone for good
>>524093742>The enormous budgets allocated by nations for countering declining birth rates are being drained by immigrants and ethnic minoritiesAnd it's important to say, theses migrants birth rates didn't last long being high, most get on the same level as native pop or lower.
i can see china doing this in massive scale. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn
>>524089254Realised 1 child policy with males preferred was literal suicide and a huge chunk of the population is over 60 now and need more young bodies. Then they realised 2 child isn't anywhere near enough to stop the looming crisis and then removed the limit. They lost over 50mn during Covid btw. Largest population drop in China since Mao's "Great Leap Forward".Xi said there is no China without the Han Chinese so they don't need foreigners, they'll make more of themselves. Based ethno nat Xi.>>524089309errrr being hedonistic and consoomerist with like new age mindset and saving the planet somehow as if its under threat.t. idiot westerners today77% of all child sacrifices("abortion") in the UK in 2023 were white women by the way and is believed to have surpassed 82% this year. Fucking insane. Needs banning as a demographic threat. We've lost at least 10.4 million white babies since it was legalised but the population has grown 14.6 million....guess who makes up almost all of that number.
>>524093874In fact I believe this is part of the reason why coalburning exists even though people are normally naturally averse to it, its not just all the race-mixing is good propaganda that the kikes put out but there is a subconscious feeling seeing their world fill with niggers that a brown kid would be more likely to survive in the future if it goes like this lest the niggers pull a Haiti and genocide all the Whites when the White is enough small of a minority that the niggers can pull it off.Because it certainly isn't a natural things, coal burning and race-mixing absolutely was not a thing before the jew started bringing them to our countries.Like in the British and French colonies, its not like the Brits and French went to the colonies and then fucked niggers and made half-nigger babies, that wasn't a thing, and race-mixing was never thought of as something natural to do it was like fucking goats is thought of today.But suddenly we got kalergimutt monsters today which aren't even supposed to exist.
>>524094040What I currently fear the most is that the NPCs will never wake up and kill the jews and stop this madness, and everything will be lost.It just might be that WWII marked the last battle of the White man and the White lost it, and after started the final End chapter for the Whites.We'll see though which one happens, will the jews kill us, or will we kill them first. Currently, the jews are winning, but there is still a chance to turn the tide and ethnically cleanse White territories and fix them.
>>524090660>Africansgotta grasp notions of property in order to inherit something
>>524092471Fertility itself isn't a traditionalist regressive value. Most people want to have kids, including liberal women. The problem comes from the uncreative thinking that the only way to achieve this is to basically resubjugate women back into being barefoot and pregnant. Since this is, in material terms, false (we have sufficient resources and productive capacity such that we could shave off the ~5% of the labor force required to stay home and watch kids in a collectivized way, without imperiling production or broader societal functioning), the problem is one of social organization and resource distribution. So again, national socialism>>524093180Yes, liberal individualism is a narcissistic death cult, but people cling to it because they're afraid of losing the freedoms that it grants to them, so>totalizing statism a la Stalinism or Italian fascism>oppressive religious traditionalism like tradcath theocracy or "White Sharia">autismo NRx technocratic feudalismare out of the question. Thus leaving us with...
>>524089109No, sorry, you're going to have to abolish women's rights and make them property if you want a functional civilization again.That goes for the whole planet.Civilization is inherently based upon the management of women.
>>524094025>Xi said there is no China without the Han Chinese so they don't need foreigners, they'll make more of themselves. Based ethno nat Xi.I think Xi know that the idea of the han being displaced it's impossible BUT he knows that a china with only 500m people would work really diferent as 1B, There's some chinese people that say it's good to reduce their pop on the macrol level but it would hurt it on the short-term level-
>>524089309Living for Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
>>524094199So, Taliban-New-World-Order?
>>524089109The only solution to negative fertility is returning to an agrarian lifestyle which requires the cities to be obliterated in a nuclear war.
>>524093985Already are.They have a database of all fertile age females and picking loyal Han soldiers and officers to breed them. They've been doing the same to breed out the muslim Uighur population by kidnapping the females of the enemy and marrying them to officers,agents and administrators for breeding purposes.They're also doing eugenics using selected Nordic DNA and Han Chinese DNA and CRISPR genetic engineering. This has been happening at facilities since at least 2018. Soon enough we'll have 6'0-6'4 Eurasian chads and chadettes with selected preferred characteristics of the Nordic European and Han Chinese. If they can figure out how to accelerate growth cells in the DNA, they'll have legions.
>>524089109At some point thry are going to take out women out of education.China is authoritarian enough to do it.Its thr biggest correlation with low birthrates.If anyino is going to start that social experiment its China even more so with its catastrophic demographic colapse.Either that or they start a mass cloning program or a mass breeding of superhumans in artificial pods or something.Fum times ahead.
>>524094205Many believe its already around 600mn and its why they switched to extremely bright LED lights(which are now adopted globally and in fucking cars for some disgusting reason) to blind satellites and trick outsiders into thinking vast swathes of area are populated.A lot of active phones in China are fake signals aswell.Those lights are also fucking up everyone's sleeping schedule and affecting brainwaves.
>>524094297old /pol/ yelling white shariah was unto something to the very least, I will give you that. The reason why governments seem to keep beating around the bush is exactly because they are buying time until they finally find a new form in which they can screw up people without people chimping. But its catching up to them and hopefully it does catchup to them. Redistributing wealth for the sake of families is kikery of the highest degree no matter what
>liquidate all elon musks companies and distribute the payout >everyone in America gets 2000 dollars they'll probably spend on stupid impulsive bullshit in 2 weeks max >everything remains the same except now there's no starlink, spacex or Teslathis is desirable how?
>>524089109no one wants to admit it or maybe they don't realize it but in order to save countries from birth rate decline start normalizing and in some cases promoting certain fetishes in media and culture like getting women pregnant and cum dumping. i can grantee you with that and a mix of subsidy programs for new mothers you'll have a population explosion in no time.
>>524094185>Most people want to have kids, including liberal women.My biggest concern is that this might not actually be the case.The wealthier the household, the fewer children they have. Birth rates tend to be strongly inversely correlated with income levels. They should be able to afford outsourcing childcare to professionals like nursery staff. If childcare costs were the issue, that should be the opposite.The real issue is likely that income is strongly correlated with educational level. This also relates to women's increased participation in the workforce and the trend toward later marriages. Physically, the number of children people have decreases, and furthermore, things like childcare leave can also become obstacles to career advancement. Among countries that have argued having many children is undesirable and implemented artificial population reduction policies, none have succeeded in reversing that trend to date.
The poorer you are and the less you care about education, the more likely you are to have children. That's the reality.Ironically, wealth redistribution might actually make it worse. Unless you fundamentally change education and the values underlying it, measures to counter the declining birthrate will likely be meaningless.
>>524089843Exactly The west is too convinced of ponzi financialization endless growth religion as the only possible economic model. Chinks figured out if you just have the best industrial production then you’ll have the rest of the world begging you to take their resources in exchange for your goods. It doesn’t even matter how many people you have when you can automate it. They’ll get to enjoy a post scarcity society while everyone else in the world gets commoditized.
