The jews changed what was written in the Bible When I was 13 I found out blasphemy of the holy spirit was unforgivable and I was angry at god for being able to forgive murder and rape but not talking shit so I said "fuck the holy spirit" with the Bible open in my hand on that page. 10 years later im having deja vu so intense im about to kill myself. Then this recees peanut butter commercial plays on the television back to back and the ad said "deja vu never tasted so good". Im actually about to suck start a shotgun. Iv lost it. I run to the same Bible and open it. The only thing on the page is a sentence saying " you are the holy spirit, she will seduce you and I will forgive you if you repent." .Yeah god is real but I still dont know what the fuck im doing. I had a woman come into my life and fuck up real bad. She was a teacher who sexually assaulted me and 2 other students. She was fired but not arrested. I sued the county and school district. The county settled for 1.1 mil. My lawyer got half but we are now working on the school district. She is facing life in prison for multiple victims, continous sexual abuse and sexual abuse in a position of power. Jew em screwem right? Life is nuts.
>>524091730God is self-evident.
>>524091730If he is real, I doubt he’s anything any human can describe
>>524091730the Holy Spirit is very real, and there is a whole host of reasons why you shan't blaspheme itnow, a Creator? maybe, maybe notbut as opposed to the Holy Spirit, that's something far beyond our graspbasically eschatologic musings, not meant for us to dabble into, rly
>>524091952Im just saying he spoke to me and it felt Christian in context.
>>524091894a Creator, no: not quite
>>524091730You got to bang your teacher and walk away with over half a million dollars? And you're on here whining like a bitch? God is real but you need to fix your shit nigger
>>524091730One of the reasons I don't believe.If god showed himself to everyone on earth, every elite would be groveling. They're not scared. It's not that there's a demon in them. They're just the beachmasters right now. They found a way to be the beachmasters without being the biggest or strongest. I'm not condoning it; I think they should all be impaled and left to die on the white house lawn, but these people have nothing to fear because this is the natural order, or a configuration of it, that has directed evolution since life first wiggled something on its own. Where is god to punish the wicked and save the innocent?
>>524091952me too
>>524091730Don't Kirk yourself anon, nothing good can come of self violence
>>524092318Are you retarded? They are absolutely possessed by demons Possession doesn't singularly mean you sperg out in frothing murderous rage, it means you carry out the will of evil
>>524092318I belive god is trying to come to us but Satan is hindering him. Also god has always been here and always will be here. These are things I know in my heart.
>>524091730god is a faggot and the universe should kill itself
in Deus animus a bono
>>524092427>it means you carry out the will of evilit means there's literally an evil entity controlling their actionsthat isn't happening.Elites are trained from birth, just like monarchs, that people are cattle that must be managed.
>>524092463It depends on what you call god. I can't explain life, but everything the catholic church, muslims and jews say is fucking retarded made-up horseshit.
>>524092463Holy means "apart of" he is apart of creation anon
>>524092572a part, or apart?they're not at all the same
>>524092315Im not whining. Im buying a Porsche 911 GT2 dont worry. How else shoukd I fix my shit? Buy some land? I got out of prison so educated on the law I was correcting my lawyer of 22 years on things. Should I become a paralegal? Im getting more money from the school district but how do I make it off 520K? I used to rob pharmacies and hide at a hunting cabin and eat benzos and codine for months at a time. I dont know to handle this one shot iv been given.
>>524092519>ensure the entire food supply is cancerous poison >promote literally every perverse form of sin >destroy the environment so GDP line go up>blaspheme constantly>openly boast about their rituals and communion with demons/entities/etc>>>>"bro the elite are just benevolent managers"you are a smoothbrain nigger and should consider throwing yourself from the nearest bridge
>>524092668Set apart
>>524092780>Im buying a Porsche 911 GT2>how do I make it off 520K?
>>524092780>Im buying a Porsche 911 GT2 dont worry.NGMI
>>524092958Dude its like 700HP all wheel drive fuck off.
>>524092824You must be retarded if you believe I was defending them. Recall this, moron?>>524092318>I think they should all be impaled and left to die on the white house lawnSuck it.Also you named a bunch of horrible things, the last one I'm not sure you can produce verifiable examples of, but all terrible things.Still no proof it's an imaginary evil entity that's controlling their very actions. >you are a smoothbrain niggerOddly, there's nothing wrong with my reading comprehension, but you just showed the board that you can barely read.
>>524091730>What are the political implications of god being realConfirmation that an all-powerful creator god not only exists but he made pajeets and niggers would drive me irreversibly insane and sned me into a spiral of unspeakable evil
>>524092931so the holy spirit is different from creation? separate from it? not the life force that makes everything move?
>>524093141I wonder what was the point of creating amoral low iq races
>>524093150This is the kind of shit Im talking about. Since the kikes changed the Bible I feel spiritually lost.
>>524091730The jews didn't change the Bible, spammy gnostic nigger. You are the jew. Fuck off to an oven.
>>524093301Well, don't ask me. It's all mythology to me. There's a life force. We're all connected to it somehow. That's all I can tell. I suspect that every structured religion began as some kind of power grab, or maybe an actual search for meaning, like Buddhism, but not an eternal god's message to humanity. That shit is all to trick suckers. Do unto others. All you need.
>>524093371Kike detected
>>524092780>get money >immediately buy stupid ass carOP, why didn't you tell us you were a dumb gorilla nigger so we could adjust our advice accordingly?
>>524093150There's an analogy, you got a >mind (Father)>body (Son, Jesus physically)>soul (Holy spirit, essence of life)For example the meme of *father is me you* isn't actually a good joke because when you think you don't say hello is me you in your mind, anyways is just an analogy it may be more complex than that
>>524093557Sounds like fiction to justify other mythology or doctrine that supports a power structure.
>>524091730What are the political implications of God being real but him not giving a shit about us?
>>524093150>not the life force that makes everything moveIs indeed the essence of life in this context, the one apart, it's supposed to be 3 different personas according to Christianity actually, we can only wonder anon
>>524093456>no uCould you be any more obviously a jew?
>>524093524I haven't pulled the trigger on it. Maybe ill rent one for a week to get it out of my system is that better dad? For real though what should I do? Buy land i know that much. 911 GT2 is not a stupid car that's the car you buy if you are going to blow money on a car.
>>524093613As we see today power structures actually rely on perversion and blood
>>524093727Ya im 6 foot 3 blonde Finnish and iv had girls give me a 8 and 9 out of ten regularly. I do have some mental problems and I like benzos as much as an alcoholic would. Nobody's perfect but I am no jew.
>>524091730wish I'd been molested
>>524093761Invest at least half of it. Buy a nice, but sensible car for <50k. Go on a god damn vacation, you clearly need it. Get some nice clothes, feel good about looking good. Talk to a private professional, or even just a priest. Invest in a hobby.
>>524093722>according to Christianity actuallywell, catholicism. I doubt the early church had this concept. I don't remember Jesus talking about the holy spirit, but maybe I missed that sermon.
>>524093820>power structures actually rely on perversion and bloodthe ones that they need common risk and shame to bind them do. There can be good ones. I just can't think of any right now. Or later.
>>524094129The most reasonable Canadian post I've ever read. Thank you. Im walking around in Walmart clothes i didnt even notice. Fuck
>>524094162>I don't remember Jesus talking about the holy spirit>John 3:5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.>John 16:13 - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.>Acts 1:8 - But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.>John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
>>524091730Jews wrote the bibleErgo it's bullshit and fakeIf you want to be a deist, fine.
>>524092559Slow down, brother. You're blinded by hate. The Quran is more true than you could possibly imagine. Try reading it, in Arabic, with a tutor. You'll be mindblown.
>>524094353I cant deny what I fucking saw nigger. I was atheist until then. It actually happened to me you would do the same. Only a true believer would blasphemy the holy spirit because you acknowledged that it was real by talking shit on it.
>>524091730christ golem spam should be punishable by hanging, publicly.
>>524094324>Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into theWhat was the original greek text, and could there have ever been any interpretation in the very bible you got this from which was created to "clarify" something they made up?>Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truthYou got me on this one. Sounds not like the holy spirit, though; not the same thing. I don't know the rest of those, but I would have to know the original greek words and contextual meanings relevant to the period. Then, and only then could I still not really know, and be only partly interested enough to continue this thread.
>>524094402>Try reading it, in Arabic, with a tutor. You'll be mindblown.I have better things to do for the next ten years. People with brains are doing what god wants us to do, if there is one. Why create all of this so we can spend our lives feeling bad and restraining ourselves from everything that feels good and worshiping this creator, who put us here to have fun and experience life, not worship him for putting us here, forgetting to have any fun at all, or explore the world. Why does god need worship? Is he like a battery? Does god need worship to recharge?
>>524091730>the jews changed what was written in the bible
>>524091730very based postone set of footprints in the snow anon>>524092129Something created us and the current world, (not the "universe" - a post religious concept) but it would be wrong to say it's all created by humans or animals. That would imply an individual is equal to the maker of the world. You could say there was no act of creation but that's not true, it took a lot of work.
>>524092780entrepreneur huhFlying solo might not always work as well as it did in the past. You'd be an asset to a company of people you respect. Start selling those fancy cars and you'll feel better about buying them
>>524094906>Then, and only then could I still not really know, and be only partly interested enough to continue this thread.Because it's a slide thread, you're just outing yourself Ramjeetesh
>>524095294>not the "universe" - a post religious conceptignore the evidence of your eyesYou can see it with your eyes. Go outside and look up.>it took a lot of work.seems like a lot of digging
>>524095294>Something created us and the current worldmaybebut then again, to me, it's eschatologic questions, far beyond our grasp, not even close to be meant for us>it would be wrong to say it's all created by humans or animalsI'm even farther from saying so, desu>say there was no act of creation but that's not true, it took a lot of workwhat I'm saying is I don't know, and don't even imagine a way to knownot saying there's a Creator, or there isn't: I don't know, admit my limits in such matters, and honestly, am not so interested in it, since it's something we can't even graspas opposed to the immanent Will of the Creation, imbuing everything, what OP calls the Holy Spiritthat for one is easy to witness
>>524095765>you're just outing yourselfthis doesn't even make sense, homo. I didn't start the thread.
>>524095800I mean in a literal sense, it was created. Built and birthed and lived-in. It's wrong to say a man or animal created it though.>>524095773that means no one created the universe. Nor was anyone thinking that way in the past.
>>524095765Its nkt a slide thread its the most intense shit that ever happened to me. It left more of an impression on me than 4 years in a California general population prison. Good looking out nigger.
>>524095935>I mean in a literal sense, it was created. Built and birthed and lived-inhow do you knowthere are other hypothesespermanence, for instance (ie the Creation always was)not a very interesting matter to me, anyway>It's wrong to say a man or animal created it thoughmost likely, lol
>>524095935God and the universe have always been here. That's the only way to comprehend it. If you find a better way to conceptualize it, do share.
>>524095935>Nor was anyone thinking that way in the past.They thought of it in the limited capacity as they had - the firmaments. It wasn't called the "universe" maybe, but they didn't deny that something existed beyond what we could touch, and they didn't have any idea how big it all was, but it was there, and they said god created it.
>>524096041Imagine being god before the universe. Eons with nothing to do. All of eternity and one day, he's just like "I'm bored" and made everything. Before that, not even a gameboy. What an existence.
>>524096041I think that first there was chaos and darkness, order and design began in an abstract plane because the patterns and math reflected in nature and the stars must have been implicit in them since the begging of their existence an hurricane in a junk land field isn't going to magically build a F-16
>>524096281Maybe the big bang was god's method. Also I belive science is one step behind and is just documenting God's method. We will never figure it all out.
>>524096425>We will never figure any of it out.FTFYWe have the results, if science is even close, 14 billion years or so after the fact. The case is unsolvable.
schizophrenic. if youre not on meds, you need to go to the doctor, and if you are on meds, TAKE THEM.
>>524093150to simplify the trinity from my limited theology knowledge.>FatherMakes laws, decides good/evil and judges accordingly>SonIntercedes, humanises and lets us use his infinitely high score on righteousness to counteract our comically high negatives>Holy spiritThe subtle force that guides us and ensures the important stuff gets preserved to let us know god and everything above. along with more thingsThey're all the same coequal entity we call the god head, they made the world with us, we sinned and polluted it because god values our the free will to do so and the purpose of the church is to bring a bit of heaven to earth in our limited way until it ends and god remakes it vie merging with heaven with his faithful populating it
>>524096568It's all mythology. The church is good at making things complex where they didn't need to be.
>>524096692>churchAnd now a days the Vatican is no more than a failed institution weaponized politically
>>524096743always was
>>524096554With the time frames involved and the bible being involved the way it was with black white writing this isn't latent psychosis or schizophrenia. This is two incendents no other symptoms or magical things happening. Iv taken haldol and zyprexa to see what theyvwere like after sweeping pharmacy shelves for benzos and sorting everything out later in the woods. This isn't a chemical imbalance my nigger.
>>524096554don't worry anon, everyone eventually grows out of this gay ass response to anything
>>524096770Actually yes the Roman Emperor Constantine really fuck up good Rome, hunting pagans, temples turned into brothels,etc
>>524096692>. The church is good at making things complex where they didn't need to be.We used to have 2 genders now we have 900....
>>524096692the trinity came about through piecing together what scripture says to counteract various old heresies. People tried to say that christ was a lesser created entity, never a man or even physical, but without those there is no redemption.god faith exploration of the concept led us to understanding god as trinity. understanding infinity isn't easy, trinitarianism is the only explanation that isn't gnosticism or Jehovah's witnesses tier.
>>524096954You're saying that I'm promoting transgender shit because I also think the church is stupid?
>>524097107>led us to understandingA bunch of old men got together and debated how to solve questions and contradictions they likely created themselves by "understanding" other shit that the people didn't understand anyway, because they couldn't read the bible unassisted or they'd be burned at the stake or something.
>>524096027Permanence is for existence itself, the real world is an innovation. >>524096041The grandest description you could possibly use would fall short of the truth, but that will do fine.>>524096092we can quibble about the specifics but they were right to talk in superlative terms about less-understood phenomena, it's all quite amazingly bigger than humanity and perfect, one might say divine.
>>524091894fpbp
>>524097470>Permanence is for existence itselfretarded beyond beliefexistence cannot be permanent, by definition
>>524097470>they were right to talk in superlative termsYou understand they made ALL of it up, right? I mean, older people like them wrote the torah/pentateuch and shit, but it's all made up to explain things they couldn't explain. They made it all up. They didn't know, but had to know to have control, so they made it up, just like zionism was made up. And just like hinduism is all made up.
>>524091730I'm not sure what the fuck did I just read
>>524097727Thats how I feel about my life.
>>524097869Could be worse anon, Mohammed was zutted and now he is worshipped like a semi god
>>524097717It's not made up because all the phenomena are real. Just because they used anthropomorphic figures to refer to real life doesn't make the communication less valid.
>>524097321quit that leftist fedora posting, Arius the egyptian tried to downplay god, spread his beliefs wide, a different egyptian used the scripture to argue against him, people collected the relevant parts of the bible to make sure that the teachings of Arius and other heretics dont return. All done when the bible was written in wide spread languages and before it was banned from common ownership lin 1299.
>>524097932>Just because they used anthropomorphic figures to refer to real life doesn't make the communication less valid.It's 100% less valid. They had a mystery.They made up an explanation.Simple as.
>>524097960Tell me where I "downplayed god."I absolutely reject a bunch of old men creating a religion from scratch. It's all politics, even the examples you used. Heretic is a political word. Religion is politics. The bible was written by men. It is not a perfect document unless you believe it is. Belief isn't fact.
>>524098096Their explanations fell short of reality though, they didn't exceed it. The idea of a man throwing lighting bolts is less divine than the reality. Meanwhile you have neither the sublime nor any understanding of the science that's supposed to replace those old words, you're just something scraped out of the gears of progress.
>>524097237>You're saying that I'm promoting transgender shitI'm saying atheists and scientists are. You said "Church make stuff complicated". I called your bet.
>>524098201When I opened the Bible that time there were no other words other than that one sentence. To me that means its not important. God told me what he needed to tell me.
>>524098201Improve your reading comprehension. I provided an example of a theological discussion that lasted for a while, you have obstinatley saying a more drawn out version of "Nuh uh" repeatedly. that thing cant happen because it hasn't happened recently.I only hope you quit the autistic mechanistic obsession that is common in brain damaged that makes one unerringly confident in answers that are far from the whole truth.
>>524098253You assume I think I know the answers. I only know you don't. No one does. And also you're stupid.
>>524091894no, moron, if nobody told you about god you wouldn't believe in it. do you really believe the people on Sentinel island or some indian tribe in the amazon think a magic jew created the universe?
>>524098258>I called your bet.You assumed which church I was talking about, how I was applying that phrase, what my perspective on anything is and my motivation for posting. You did all this from very little information because you think only with your emotions.
>>524098574Maybe I should buy a boat and kidnap one of the sentnelese and use ai to figure out their language and interrogate it.
>>524098600>You assumed which church I was talking about,Ok, which Church? When people say "the Church does x" they are really aren't getting too specific. It's either Catholic or Protestant (or both at the same time).>You did all this from very little information because you think only with your emotions.Then don't be so vague in your post, you dumb faggot>think with your emotionsReal reddit speak right here. What's next>meds now>a lot of unpack here>trust the scienceNot my fault atheists are troon loving freaks.
>>524091730Even if god is real there is no point in worshiping him. Gnosticism is more logical imo.I hate this world and humanity.
>>524098574Oh man, dangerous grounds. Arguing the chicken/egg argument with ignorance of god in people who merely haven't heard anything of the nature enrages them. They may not even understand the concept.
>>524098280There was a time 1, 2 years ago when I used to wake up every day at 3:33am I cant even remember for how many months, at the beginning I thought I was possessed or something, then I read Jeremiah 33:3 [Call to me, and I will answer you, and show you great and unsearchable things you do not know] and I started to use that time before the sun rise to think about God and existence
>>524098716I didnt have a Bible verse but now I will look. For me I always looked at the clock at 12:34 pm. It went on for a year but it kinda stopped but I still catch it sometimes. For a while it was more than a little odd.
>>524098685>Ok, which Church?Not one that promotes transgenderism.That's irrelevant, anyway. You missed the point. ALL religion is made up bullshit, rule books people think other people need, explanations for the unexplainable. It's all a bunch of made-up shit. Does that mean there's no god? Who the fuck knows? You don't. No one does. The church is just another power structure. Pick one.
>>524098675boat is not a good investment. house better
>>524098690Oh man, there's still a few years left for for me to score a 9yo.
>>524098825But I can crusade the island in full plate armor and interrogate one of them about what they belive.
>>524098820>Not one that promotes transgenderism.I never said a Church promoted trannies. I said atheists do.> ALL religion is made up bullshit, But to atheists, the following is not bullshit>900 genders>men can get pregnant>take 40 vax shots>parallel universes>all races have the same IQ, chud
>>524098870They don't know about God bro
>>524098574people tend to believe in a creator with some level of intelligence or self agency, buddhists aside. you have either a repeating infinity like buddhism or a creation of the world, usually a sky/order paternal figure defeating a feminine/deep water chaos figure. there's likely a "starting moment" that happened in some way.
>>524098870I saw two guys got arrested for that recently, they had an island off Haiti picked out. It has like 100k population.
>>524098892I don't think any of that shit, fag boy. In fact, all of that is projection.
>>524098810Maybe numbers convey messages too
>>524098965Oh ya I remember that. Too bad they didnt pull it off that would have been kino af
>>524098892>parallel universesThat's just making shit up no with any scientific literacy believes that.
>>524098966>I don't think any of that shit, fag boy.Irrelevant. And atheists are more likely to be homos and troons>In fact, all of that is projection.No it isn't. Atheists voted Kamala (the most troon loving candidate there ever was) at 75%. LGBT++1@2 voted her at 86%. Atheists were the group most likely to get the vax. You aren't living in reality, but no matter what, reality will reality.
>>524099040>That's just making shit up no with any scientific literacy believes that.Stephen Hawking literally wrote about and believed in parallel universes and multiverse shit. Of course atheists just believed this without question. They didn't scream "WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE?!"
>>524098941Buddhism doesn't teach infinite recursion, they believe in a creator. They just don't call it a creator or ascribe it any positive qualities. They define it by the negative qualities only, such as its ineffability. But ultimately, when they say sunyata, they mean God. Metaphysically, God as "the source of being beyond being" and sunyata as "emptiness" mean the same thing. Emptiness in Buddhism does not mean nothingness.
>>524098965About as based as it gets.
>>524099051>And atheists are more likely to be homos and troonsWhere do you get this shit? I'd say the other way around, and only because the religious reject them.All of this is projection, nothing to back it up whatsoever. I don't even want to bother going lie by lie. It would be a waste of time, because you won't accept it anyway.
>>524099097That just isn't true. You can entertain an idea without believing in it. Parallel universe stuff is usually in reference to certain interpretations of quantum mechanics, but like I said no one with any amount of knowledge about science or epistemology would claim to know that is true or believe it 100%. You need to readjust your worldview it is incoherent with reality.
>>524099114getting turned in and/or honeypot by your own discord is cringe though. There's no way any actual police work was done to find them
>>524099280>Where do you get this shit?Then why did atheists vote for the troon/homo loving candidate? Again, you aren't living in reality.
>>524099313"Stephen Hawking's final theory, developed with Thomas Hertog, proposed a testable version of the multiverse, suggesting our universe is one of a finite set emerging from eternal inflation, with patterns in the cosmic microwave background (CMB) potentially revealing "fingerprints" of other universes, offering a pathway to empirically verify if our reality is just one of many"
>>524099337>Again, you aren't living in reality.The subconscious knows but you don't listen to it.
>>524099313No one who's scientifically literate believes that matter is capable of producing mind, either, yet every atheist believes in that fairy tale as well. The answer to that conundrum is that atheists are by definition scientifically illiterate, because atheism is a superstition and not a coherent view.
>>524099337>Then why did atheists vote for the troon/homo loving candidate?where are you getting your statistics from? NOTHING even shows that information.
>>524099370>Stephen Hawking's final theory, developed with Thomas Hertog, proposed a testable version of the multiverseKey word "testable" you don't test things you already know are true
>>524099400>believes that matter is capable of producing mindrestate this for me please
>>524099403https://www.freethoughttoday.com/sections/250-ffrf-news/nones-voted-for-harris-over-trump-by-nearly-3-1/"The “Nones” (religiously unaffiliated), representing 24 percent of voters, broke for Harris over Trump 71 percent to 26 percent. "
>>524099400>because atheism is a superstitionatheism is literally a-theism, or without a belief in a god, nothing more. It is the absence of your religion, not the adoption of ANYTHING else. You're projecting all of it.
>>524099435>Key word "testable" you don't test things you already know are trueHuh? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And he wouldn't have made a "testable" anything if he didn't think it was possible. All this without evidence.
>>524099447No one who is scientifically literate would believe that consciousness can emerge from that which lacks consciousness.
>>524099504Hahahaha your source is an anti-theist (probably jewish) propaganda rag?
>>524099400Bruh? Your post is incoherent and loaded with presuppositions that don't correspond to a functional understanding of reality.
>>524099582>No one who is scientifically literate would believe that consciousness can emerge from that which lacks consciousness.What's your source?
>>524099524Atheism rejects the existence of all non-corporeals. Because if it admits the existence of non-corporeals, then it has to admit that there must be a source or a cause for those non-corporeals.
>>524099626so is his brain. lol
>>524099613>Hahahaha your source is an anti-theist (probably jewish) propaganda rag?Here's one from Freedom From Religionhttps://www.freethoughttoday.com/sections/250-ffrf-news/nones-voted-for-harris-over-trump-by-nearly-3-1/Again, you don't live in reality.
>>524099659>Atheism rejects the existence of all non-corporeals.atheism is literally just the lack of a belief in a god. There is no structure, no agreed anything, other than even if by default, such as on sentinel island, they don't have a belief in a god.
>>524099659Before someone taught you about religion, you were atheist, without a god.
>>524099562You just don't understand. Testing provides evidence, you justify beliefs with evidence.
>>524099690That's the same quality rag.
>>524099769>Testing provides evidence, you justify beliefs with evidence.I don't disagree. But Hawking wrote this testable theory because he BELIEVED it to be true.
>>524099650It's derived from the logical axiom "ex nihilo nihil fit". It's a timeless and proven logical rule, meaning "from nothing, nothing comes". Nothing cannot produce something. This means that every effect has to have sufficient cause. Only something that possesses energy can impart energy, and only something that possesses life can impart life. To believe otherwise is a superstitious belief. It'd be the same as saying "it happened for no reason at all", which is just as absurd as saying "a magical fox did it".
>>524099771"White evangelical Christians were key to Trump’s victory, just as they were in 2016, with the religiously unaffiliated overwhelmingly supporting Kamala Harris. According to NBC NEWS."It's a NBC NEWS analysis, retard.So to you:>pro religion site is propaganda and bad>anti religion site is propaganda and badANYTHING to avoid the reality of troons voting Kamala.
>>524099730Atheism is the lack of a belief in a first cause. That's superstition. It's the same as saying "everything came from nothing for no reason".
>>524099847>According to NBC NEWSgarbage propaganda. Are you kidding?You're attempting to place a value on something they can't possibly track. Did they call 100 people and take an average of the responses? Beware of statistics, kid. You're already obviously gullible; statistics will fool you easily. Tell me how they arrived at that number, and we'll talk.
>>524099626Everything I posted is perfectly coherent. You just aren't educated on this subject, so it went over your head.
>>524099800You made it seem like Steven Hawking and other people believe this without evidence like in the same way a Christian believes in God.
>>524099874>Atheism is the lack of a belief in a first cause.your definition is wrong, and it's verifiableYou've posited to the atheist "Where did everything come from?" and the atheist doesn't care about answering, so you simply assume the rest, because unless you can categorize people, your autism causes you confusion as to how to behave around people.
>>524099942>garbage propaganda. Are you kidding?HAHHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHOk, so YOU post the real numbers at which atheists voted for Kamala. Or at least give me your best guest.You lost so badly that it's SAD.Here's moreIn 2020, 31% of voters with no religion voted for Trump, while 65% voted for Biden. In 2024, 25% voted for Trump, while 72% voted for Harris.https://www.deseret.com/faith/2024/11/06/religious-voters-2024/(source Washington Post)
There is no hope for humanity. We live in a fallen, evil world and it's only going to get much, much worse.
>>524099993>You made it seem like Steven Hawking and other people believe this without evidenceThey do. What evidence backed up Hawkings belief? Or is it that you can believe something without evidence?
>>524100036My definition is objectively correct. All atheists are non-corporealists, or materialists, by definition. "Not caring about answering" doesn't embolden your position, it just means you've staked your flag on willful ignorance. It would be like proudly proclaiming that you don't believe the earth is round, and when questioned as to why you reject that belief you just assert "because I don't like thinking". That's fine, but don't pretend that that's an intellectual's position.
>>524099967You just lied. Everyone actually studying the brain is studying it through a naturalist framework. And there is no reason to believe anything spooky is happening in your head.
>>524100094>Ok, so YOU post the real numbers at which atheists voted for Kamala.It's not trackable, dumb fuck. Who polled the country on that? Where would you arrive at those numbers? Who correlated poll results with census reports and verified them all? What did "no answer" count as? You are missing the point entirely.You cannot have that information. It doesn't exist. They made it up. You were fooled.
>>524100167>it just means you've staked your flag on willful ignoranceso not picking a side, all of them created by men's imaginations, is willful ignorance? I would argue that any position you could pick other than not knowing (you don't) is merely delusion to soothe your fear of death and to identify you amongst your peers.
>>524100236>It's not trackable, dumb fuck.It literally isn't, faggot. Polls, exit polls, put together a very clear picture and give you a margin of error. Let me guess, 80% of blacks didn't vote Kamala even though the data says so? You sound fucking insane and you just outed yourself as a complete retard. And you say I "think with my emotions".HAHAHHAHA
>>524100332>It literally isn't,literally IS*
>>524100167>"because I don't like thinking"It's all made up, son. I could think of a million alternate origin stories with as much credibility as the ones the jews gave us.
>>524092315This is a retarded NIGGER LARP.FFS, the absolute state of /pol/
>>524100198Yes, that's my point. They're studying the brain off of the basis of erroneous assumptions framed by a superstitious materialism. They don't understand the difference between correlation and causation, so they assume that the brain is creating the mind, despite the fact that there is zero evidence for that belief. This is why they're stumbling and failing to understand the brain to the degree that they are. It's why anti-depressants and tranny treatments don't work at all, and frequently do the opposite of what they're supposed to do.>And there is no reason to believe anything spooky is happening in your head.It's not that anything spooky is happening. It's just that the relationship is inversed from what the superstitious tend to believe. The brain does not create consciousness. Consciousness exists primarily, and creates the brain. This is the actual proven scientific view.
>>524100366>It's all made up, son.To you real data is just "made up". You outed yourself as someone that isn't to be taken seriously.
>>524100332You are believing scattered information that is probably 100% propaganda.
>>524100399>real datathat isn't religion
>>524100369Look up sex abuse lawsuits in califonia. They made it so there is no statute of limitations for a civil case. Los Angeles had to allocate a billion dollars to settle all of them. You are the niggers nigger, poorfag.
>>524100399>You outed yourself as someone that isn't to be taken seriously.You seem to think highly of yourself and your abilities to debate. I'd stop if I was you.
>>524092163Sorry to say but you are a schizophrenic if you are hearing voices out of thin air since 1313-21 is the optimal age schizophrenic symptoms manifest in a person
>>524100405>You are believing scattered information that is probably 100% propaganda.What is scattered about it? One was from NBC News, the other from WaPo. (one posted on an anti religion site, another from a pro religion site). Both NBC News and WaPo offer almost identical numbers. What is scattered about it?>PROBABLY propagandaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAListen. To. Your. SELF.
>>524100471No voices. Learn to read.
Based schizo never let them medicate you.
>>524100428>that isn't religionBut if you don't believe "real data", it proves that you don't believe anything, so asking you your opinion on religion is worthless.If someone said "I don't believe in religion and I don't believe in calculus" you would say that person is crazy. So are you.
>>524100453>You seem to think highly of yourself and your abilities to debate.I'm beating you easily.>I'd stop if I was you.Why, I'm winning. I correctly pointed out with numerous sources that atheists voted Kamala and you just put your fingers in yours ears and screamed.
>>524100478>What is scattered about it?where are they getting their data? You're so naïve.You've been lied to.
>>524100320>I would argue that any position you could pick other than not knowingThen you would be wrong, because philosophy already solved this question a long time ago. It's very simple, not complicated at all. Every effect has to have a cause, therefore there must be a first cause. If you want to reject that position, then yes, you are being willfully ignorant.>to soothe your fear of deathNo philosopher has ever feared death. The reason why you're an atheist, on the other hand, is because you fear judgement. You don't want there to be a primordial force that holds you accountable for the person you've chosen to be. Atheism is driven entirely by fear and superstition. You don't want to think about this subject to such an extend that you don't even want others to think about it, even though the answers are as plain as day.>I could think of a million alternate origin storiesNo origin tale ever recorded in history was meant to be taken literally. All of them, from ancient Egypt to Christianity, were written down as allegory. No Christian ever believed that Adam and Eve were literal people hanging out in a garden. They're props used to describe metaphysical principles such as free will and the descent of mind into matter.
>>524100520>real dataOk, I'll play. What real data do I not believe? The bullshit propaganda polls you try to pass off as ...I don't even know what you think it'll prove if you're correct. What's your point, anyway? You're fixated on some bullshit about all this shit you projected on people you're calling "atheist" by some different definition than the one that the world has.
>>524091730you're just another schizophrenic retard. kill yourself
>>524100558>where are they getting their data?EXIT POLLS! NBC and WaPo have groups of people that they talk to after they get out of the voting booths.You. Are. INSANE.
>>524100520You are out of your god damn mind, son.
>>524100632>What real data do I not believe?Data polls. (oh wait, those are fake propaganda, right?) HAHAHAHHAH
>>524100641Says the nigger
>>524091730God can very well be real, but even evidence for his existence would not justify religion.
>>524100123Something is mixed up here. Justified true beliefs are knowledge, justified beliefs are beliefs with evidence, beliefs are just things you think could be true but don't have evidence for. Stephen Hawking did not have the first 2 kinds of belief and no one is dogmatically saying there is a multiverse.
>>524100552>I'm beating you easily.my point proven>Why, I'm winning.and reinforced>sourcespropaganda that is literally impossible to have collected data for. Prove me wrong.
>>524100661>You are out of your god damn mind, son.Nice of you to reply twice. So the guy who rejects data from exit polls = totally not insane.Again, if you want, give me the numbers that YOU think atheists voted Kamala.
I think I'm possessed. Pray for me, please.
why is everyone a lunatic now? what happened?
>>524100709>propaganda that is literally impossible to have collected data for. Prove me wrong.AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHOk, YOU give some better sources, or what YOU think are the real numbers.
>>524100504>>524091952 >Im just saying he spoke to meOh so you are one of these ignorant christcucks, got itGuess i'll sage and move on then
>>524100685>beliefs are just things you think could be true but don't have evidence for.I agree. Hawkings BELIEVED in parallel universes (without evidence).
>>524100617>philosophy already solvedphilosophy has never 'solved' anything, but in the mind of the person who becomes satisfied with the answer, just like religion>No philosopher has ever feared death.You are not a philosopher, and I doubt your statement, anyway.>the reason..blah blah blahyou're not a phychologist, you're an idiot with a mental illness on the internet arguing like you're some metaphysical wizard with a harry potter vocabulary. TL;DR and it's all just circular and absolutely fundamentally wrong bullshit, anyway. Not worth the time.Have a good night, anon. I hope you find friends some day.
>>524100669YESyou don't know anything, do you?
>>524100385I don't buy it. Consciousness is produced by the brain and there is evidence for that.>correlation and causationI don't buy "brain is an atenna for the soul" stuff. When you drink alcohol you experience that even though it only affects the brain.
>>524100882Ok, then YOU give better sources, or YOU give what YOU think are the real numbers.You are legit insane and aren't living in reality.You can't handle the fact that atheists are troon lovers and voted Kamala.
>>524100769Read the thread shitskin. Literally words black and white is what i saw kys
>>524100890You turn into a sour bitter drunk eventually and it harms your soul. The brain is connected to the soul because you can corrupt the soul with chemical imbalances. Its God's design and drugs are the devil's tools.
>>524100867>philosophy has never 'solved' anything, but in the mind of the person who becomes satisfied with the answerThat's really, really stupid anon. You're saying that math and geometry have never solved anything. But if that were the case, how are you using a computer right now?>You are not a philosopherWhere did I say that I was? All philosophers were theists, and you claimed that theism comes from the fear of death. But Socrates clearly didn't fear death, and had absolute confidence in the existence of a prime deity.>I doubt your statement, anyway.Anyone who fears death isn't a philosopher, by definition, because the first step of becoming a philosopher is to learn how to die.>the rest of your postYou're definitely aware that you've lost this argument, which is why you're turning tail and resorting to childish ad hominem. Hopefully you meditate on this someday and change your behavior.
>>524100949>94% of atheists believe homosexuality should be accepted100% of christians worship a jew
>>524100890>Consciousness is produced by the brain and there is evidence for that.No, there absolutely isn't. Not even one shred.
>>524101179>100% of christians worship a jewJesus is the best.Trannies are the worst.
>>524100784I'll agree that he believed it could be true and wanted to find a way to test it. This is way off the original point now though. What I was trying to get across is that no one scientifically literate believes it is for sure true because they know they don't know.
>>524101075>you can corrupt the soul with chemical imbalancesWhy? Nad how about mRNA vaccines and HRT
>>524101247>What I was trying to get across is that no one scientifically literate believes it is for sure true because they know they don't know.>scientifically literateI never said this. I said "ATHEISTS" believe this. >"science man says 900 genders? Ok, Kamala has my vote too!">"science man says take 40 vax shots, ok!>"science man believes parallel universes exists? Ok, and I won't ask for any evidence of this belief like I do when talking to Christians about their God".
>>524101180What is happening when someone gets Alzheimer's or something like that? Are they completely themselves inside their head despite the brain not functioning?
>>524101225Broken clocks.Regardless of how based their opinions are on faggots or trannies, the christian ideology cannot justify -- and actually has doctrine to oppose -- racism, a destiny independent of jews, and a deliberate White ethno-state.
>>524101340Most atheists are scientifically literate doe.
>>524101411>reddit spacingr/atheist is thaddaway, troon.
>>524101360>Alzheimer'sThat's a degenerative state of flesh, like many others we are doom to be prone to imo it doesn't changes the essence of the soul
>>524101451>Most atheists are scientifically literate doe.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHLike the other anon that was rejecting all the data that said "atheists voted for Kamala over Trump 3 to1" because it was all "fake propaganda".This is just more atheist delusion. Atheists were the #1 group likely to take the vax. Not only did they take it without question, they shamed anyone that even QUESTIONED it. That to you is scientifically literate?
>>524101360Correlation is not causation. Showing that the brain effects consciousness does not lend any scientific credence to the idea that the brain causes consciousness. That would be like saying that since stubbing your toe puts you in a bad mood, the mood center of the body is located in your big toe. That claim needs a hypothesis, a theory and finally replication in order to hold any scientific ground. Currently, there is not even a hypothesis for how the brain creates consciousness. That belief isn't even at step 1, as far as science is concerned. People just observe effects and then superstitiously ascribe causes. It's literally no different from claiming that everything is caused by "humors".
>>524101468>le reddit spacing, your rebuttal has been DISQUALIFIED>31 posts by this IDpathetic christcuck.Not even atheist btw I just can't stand the cuckoldry you shill.
>>524101597>>le reddit spacing, your rebuttal has been DISQUALIFIEDSure thing, retard.>31 posts by this IDOh, it's the "you have this many posts, so your opinion is le bad"SAD. Other anons itt that are on your side have more posts than that. Funny how you aren't calling them out.>no reddit spacing this timeAt least you're learning.>pathetic christcuck.Go vote for more troon lovers.>Not even atheist btwSure thing, skippy.
>>524101517>atheists voted for Kamala over Trump 3 to1Yeah honestly Kamala at least wouldn't have fucked everything up like Trump did. I'm glad the petty trans stuff is over but Trump has fucked up a lot of stuff and it's only been a year.>Atheists were the #1 group likely to take the vax.Ok? Why is getting vaccinated bad?
>>524091730Wait, are you saying the Bible doesnt say blasphemy of the holy spirit is forgivable? Because it most definitely says you can talk shit about the other two, but not the holy spirit.
>>524101763>Why is getting vaccinated bad?Lmao
>>524101763>Yeah honestly Kamala at least wouldn't have fucked everything up like Trump did.Spoken like a typical troon. Let me guess, you're anti-ICE and want open borders like Biden/Kamala had?>I'm glad the petty trans stuff is overIt's not. There was some sports team in CA that got shamed for not wanting to play against a team of troons and they have to forfeit the match.>Ok? Why is getting vaccinated bad?Yeah, the covid vax was 100% safe and effective. HAHAHAThis is why I love talking to atheists. It takes a while but soon all the stupidity comes out>Trump bad, Kamala good>covid vax good>NOOOO atheists don't support troons and Kamala, don't trust the data
You must support God's chosen people. When the islamo/commie alliance sends nukes to Tel Aviv 80 years to the day after the creation of the Israeli state, Jesus christ will return.
>>524101539All I know is that a change in the brain always results in a change in conscious experience. If you want to say they aren't related then go ahead and explain whats actually happening there.
>>524091730>What are the political implications of god being real?Theocracy.
>>524102200>All I know is that a change in the brain always results in a change in conscious experienceYes, which in absolutely no way leads you towards the conclusion that the brain is creating consciousness. If I have an old television set and I adjust the colors to make the picture look different on my set, that does not mean that I'm changing the broadcast itself or changing how other people see their pictures on their television sets. That would be an insanely simple minded caveman thing to think.>If you want to say they aren't related then go ahead and explain whats actually happening there.The brain is an organ that interprets consciousness, so when you change the brain you change how consciousness is interpreted. It's the same as putting on colored sunglasses. You aren't changing the light that the sun produces, you're simply changing how you perceive it. Similarly, to claim that our brains are creating consciousness would be the same as claiming that our eyes are producing light, rather than simply receiving and reflecting it. The correct view that all scientifically learned people hold is that consciousness is an inherent property of the universe, and it merely uses the brain and the other organs as an instrument.>go ahead and explain whats actually happening there.It's also worth noting here that the burden of proof is ENORMOUSLY on your side. You're claiming that the brain is creating consciousness without even so much as a hypothesis for how such a thing MAY happen. That's as unscientific as it gets, no better than the belief in voodoo.
>>524094287Yea looking decent = feeling decent. You don't even notice how subtly your appearance affects your self-confidence until you actually pay attention to it. By all means rent a nice car, treat yourself but don't go overboard. 500k is enough to set up a comfy life but you can piss it away in a few years and be on the streets. I would invest and look into homesteading or a home and find a job that you can enjoy as you are not forced to wageslave which is what eats the fun for most.
>>524102628>rent a nice carWhat's the point of leasing?Isn't purchasing always better, good quality purchases, like a car with class and stylish clothes some anon said too
