Trump is going to give us battleships again.
You say battleship I say sweet delicious vulnerable expensive target
>>524133360he really is like a 5 year old, "muh big ship"
>>524133360The jews will profit from this even as the goyim die in the obsolete targets, so he likes it.
>>524133497>big ships are badyou lost tranny
>>524134074heckin based endless military spending mr shalom
>>524134074What he should be doing is working on irl ODST
>>524133360Come on Trump; please, PLEASE bring back the dreadnought.
>>524133360A history of recent U.S. Navy warship procurement efforts:>1.) The Zumwalt Class Destroyer. Wildly over budget. They only built two. The ammunition for the guns was so expensive they gave up. Enormous money laundering boondoggle.>2.) The Littoral Combat Ship program. Complete cost overrun boondoggle to create a fleet of ships that barely work and can't do anything except fight Somali pirates. Glorified patrol boats, and that's when their hulls aren't corroding and springing leaks.>3.) The Constellation Class Frigate. Cost overrun boondoggle. Project cancelled before any were built.>4.) FF(X) frigate program. A desperation move to adapt a Coast Guard cutter into a frigate with some semblance of combat capability. Only announced weeks ago. Outlook: Doubtful.Trump Battleship program? Never going to happen. If we can't built a high quality frigate we're not going to be able to build whatever Trump is thinking of, which is probably more of an Arsenal Ship (a warship with an over abundance of VLS cells, basically).
>>524133402DON'T TOUCH OUR BOATSWE WILL FUCK YOU UP
Why dont we just take old oil tankers, fill them with vls cells and cover em in ciws
>>524134769Funny thing zumwalt was a kike. The CG NSC platform is pretty good desu. They will need ALOT more crew compliment. >Gonna laff so hard watching some irrelevant rate having to do the firemain drawings cuz fuck you minimally manned
>>524134769Yeah, but arsenal ship doesn't sound cool.Battleship sounds way better.
>>524133360based, can't jam a 16 inch shell
>>524133360It will never happen. The US Navy will stall it out and nothing will happen.Trump is a retard. It will be funny to watch him get removed from office in a little over a year.I support whatever brings the collapse sooner.
dakka
>>524133497Put golden before anything, then this retard will support it.Muh golden collapse!Muh golden death star!Muh golden invasion of _______!I have always said it: Trump and his supporters are too stupid to do anything with.
>>524134769Almost as if the corrupt scum that run this country want it to fail.
>>524134769Conservakikes and Elon never do anything about this kind of spending
https://files.catbox.moe/v2yqq6.pdf
What is this faggots obsession with gold?
>golden fleetAnd golden showers also for the orange jew
>>524135530This. PTG is just Hindus talking to each other
>>524135372>Ultra instinct Yamato made of the best text prompt that was folded over 1000 times.
>>524136203Didn't he have a grandparent involved in the gold mining business
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>>524134074Denounce the talmud, zohar, midrash, kabbalah, and the hindu pantheon of false gods. If you can't, you are a shiteating faggot working for 8200/chabad.
>>524134868No one buys that line anymore
>>524133360>An even larger pool of military spending put towards a fleet of ships used for a war we will never engage in, but will then require routine maintenance and upkeep, full staffing and crew for coastal repairs, and cycling supplies for training exercises for the war we will never engage in What is the point of this? I know the money laundering circuit is profitable, but you could just as easily have taken this route, put it into domestic works like more trains or state building projects, hire your own Definitely Not In-House contractors, and at least come across as if you're doing something for the betterment of the country. Having a "golden fleet" won't mean shit if it's literally purposeless.
>>524133360Broadsides are awesome idgaf
>>524134074>my electric bill is getting too h->DILATE AND SEEEEETH!
>>524133360Meanwhile, behind the "Navy" banner in front of which Trump is standing...
>>524136477Ai is so fucking stupid
>>524134074What would their purpose be? Let's say you have an aircraft carrier and some chink loads a fisherboat full of drones, comes close to your aircraft carrier and starts blasting it with drones. Why wouldn't you rather have a fleet of smaller boats fully loaded with drones. And at that point why build boats at all, just build fucking stealth motherships that can drop hundreds of these things.
>>524136811it's not ai, i painted that by hand
>>524134769So we need to stop with frigates and start doing battleships with big ass reactors and new laser weaponry
>>524134868Will you enlist in the coming war? I have a suspicion that you're kike ass wont
>>524136800>"Building the battleships will make the Jews and Jeets working for General Dynamics a lot of money, while also bankrupting America and murdering Goyim!"Sounds like a plan to me!
>>524136894"The coming war" is going to be a domestic war, and the streets of America will look like pic related. I sure wouldn't enlist for it, but I'd damn sure fight in it. And why not? Those greedy rats have bankrupted the country and condemned 3 generations of Americans to early deaths from vaccine poisoning! There is nothing left to lose except one's humanity carrying out sweet, sweet revenge!
>>524136836>comes close to your aircraft carrierUnless 15 nautical miles is considered close, that's not happening.
>>524133360alright, just give me biden back already
>>524133360Impressive. Spend what hundreds of billions on big ass ships, get them butt fucked by cheap hypersonic missiles. Truly a child's mentality. "Bigger means better". Spending that money on developing drones would be far more useful,but guess the grift has to go on.
>>524133360He should send them all to Hawaii to give the sailors a nice tropical vacation. Just dock them all in the harbor.
>>524137192>enemy bogeys detected!>better scramble some F-18s to intercept!A few minutes later, on another American ship>enemy bogeys detected!>fire the missiles!Then, pic related is the result. And this pilot got lucky, the ones who don't survive are said to perish in boneheaded "stateside training accidents" like flying into mountains in broad daylight.
>>524133360and all it takes is the biggest crippling debt since 1929 Weimar
>>524137668Yeah the USAF have had more than a few incidents of pilots flying into solid ground when trying to replicate British training for low level flying
>>524137440Supposedly, China can build ships so now we gotta try to beat China at making ships lol>>524133360Anyone else stupid like me and had no idea Battleship wasn't an actual thing?
>>524137771no british pilot has ever died during training
>>524133360The big orange retard really is like a make a wish child
>>524134769It should be a medium sized USV with a very minimal optional crew if any and a shitload of VLS cells Literally just a hull loaded with missiles and an engine and leave everything else distributed in duplicate like the CCA
>>524137893Yep.Makes you wonder what kind of monkeys the USAF are putting in their jets.
>>524133360Let's make Battleship great again.
>>524137837You have to beat them where you’re better. If they can out build us in ships then you need to out build them in shit like the Manta and obliterate them with loitering undersea munitions that you start sending over there… now
>>524138036>t. dumbass
>>524135021> Why dont we just take old oil tankers, fill them with vls cells and cover em in ciwsWe kind of did something like that already with 2 Ohio Class subs (the "boomers" that launch nukes.)They retrofitted the missile bays to hold cruise missiles instead of nuke ICBM's. Bonus was they held more missiles that way. I suspect that this will be a similar idea; a conventional ship layout packed with VLS cells. Maybe reminiscent of an freight vessel with some obvious defensive systems bolted on top.
Slow battleships vs fast missile boatsWhat was he thinking?
Aaaah....shit! This is gonna be his "Big Announcement" today? I was hoping for war.
>>524137837>Battleship wasn't an actual thing?it is an actual thing but they are not in service anymore.
>>524135021Because missiles are really expensive. The navy is already terminally short on missiles to stock the cells it already has, and the navy is already behind the Chinese on the matter of cold vs hot launch cells which allow for better packing of cells into a hull. There's little to no point in building a gigantic target with no survivability features if you can't fill the cells you already have. This doesn't even get into the whole debate on damage control philosophy and crew requirements, but the short version is that American ships use very little automation relative to other navies which results in massive crew requirements relative to other navies, which means massive amounts of life support (E.G. bunks and storage), which leaves less room for everything else, which means that per ton of ship, American vessels tend to have fewer missiles. Air force procurement is shockingly competent and focused compared to the absolute mess that is naval procurement the last 20 years.
>>524138431Boats that can dive and hydrofoil, loaded with as many cheap missiles (or “drones”) as feasible reach to theater quickly and avoid hypersonic missiles
>>524139478I think Americans are making the same mistake we made in WW2 and fighting the last war. We thought battleships would be important and they turned out to be completely irrelevant. In the next peer on peer naval war, I think carrier battle groups will be obsolete, defeated by ballistic missiles and missile frigate swarms, and that's not even getting into drones.
>>524133360What?That's fucking dumb.Carriers are the 21th century's battleships.Battleships have been obsolete since ship-launched torpedo aircraft was invented in the 1920s.What the hell is that retard thinking?
>>524139798Maybe. There are a lot of factors that go into a hypothetical conflict in the pacific. Technically, carriers with appropriate airborne refueling actually outrange ballistic missiles, and hitting a moving target with an extreme range ballistic missile is pretty hard, so it's going to depend on how accurate those Chinese missiles actually are and how capable American defences are. They definitely need to deepen missile stockpiles and get something to augment the burkes into the water yesterday though, and they really need small drone fuel tankers badly in order to get the carrier range advantage above the incredibly thing razor's edge that it is right now, because sailing into range of the bulk of land based ballistic missiles is just a terrible idea. If the navy wanted to take the situation seriously they'd just accept that they fucked procurement up too badly, and as a stopgap, starting paying Japanese and South Korean shipyards to produce hulls. Ideally not even a bespoke design, literally just start purchasing Mogamis.
>>524139877maybe he's thinking it would be really handy to be able to bombard the coast of a country like venezuela without spending a fortune on missiles. the battleships will be escorted by destroyers with missiles for defense, it wouldnt be a total replacement of all ships with battleships. or maybe the navy is going to get the blueprints for functional railguns from japan (they recently got working railguns) and outfit a battleship with railguns for cheap long range bombardments and also maybe lasers for drone defense.
>>524139877>land locked anon>opinions on naval matters
>>524140213Fun fact, adjusted for inflation, shells for battleship Iowa would cost basically the same as a Tomahawk. In fact, they'd probably actually be more expensive today because none of the tooling to produce massive shells exists anymore.But you're also literally describing the function of the LCS and Zumwalt programs, which the navy realized was actually a really bad idea and not a worthwhile capability to pursue. The USN can build railguns roughly equivalent to the Japanese ones, but they want significantly higher power ones, and once you get into those power ranges you run right back into the rail erosion problems that made them not worthwhile.
>>524140241Is my analysis wrong, though?Answer the question!
>>524136203Trump is spiritually a nigger
>>524140192China has missiles that can hit Guam. It also shadows the US navy cbgs and therefore can easily hit them. Yes, when things kick off, the shadow ships will be sunk but that's irrelevant. Sacrificing a few cheap subs and destroyers to sink an entire cbg is obviously a win for china. Now, if new fleets enter the Pacific it will be more difficult to shadow them in wartime but by then it'll hardly matter. If the first three days of the war is china sinking two carriers and their escorts as well as neutralizing most airfields in the entire theater, then they already won. When they can chuck 600 ballistic missiles at a BG, expecting that group to survive is just silly, and that's not even talking about the hundreds of frigates with their own anti ship missiles.
>>524133360If he name it "trump" then i will laugh my ass of xd>trump is the biggest nigger of the world
>>524134074shouldn't they be making drone ships by now?
>>524133360Nice! Can't wait for more bayonets and horses as well! MAGA
>>524133360Woah, that's crazy. Anyway, did this pedo release the Epstein Files yet? No? Haha.
>>524136889It's really the armor/AA that will be key, drones can't pierce proper battleship armor
>be american >complain how the deficit is too big all the time and we need to do something>proceed to waste more money
>>524134769id love to know where the kind of money they will need for such a ridiculous project, we don't even have the manpower for the ships we have, much less one larger than the ones we have that will likely be filled with convoluted shit it doesn't need this large "battleship" sounds like bloated shit to give an excuse for the government to spend money we don't have appeasing trumps retarded expensive ideas, when will people start telling him "no mr president its a bad idea and we can't afford it, nor do we have the manpower to maintain it we already have trouble dealing with the ships we have now" i genuinely don't fucking get what the plan here is, just spend us to oblivion when is the blank checks going to get cut off is what i want to know.
>>524134074they unironically are? it makes much more sense to distribute VLS amongst a larger fleet of smaller ships with smaller crews. The entire carrier model only functions against turdies, nuclear carriers aren't an attritable asset and while MUH HYPERSONICS is mostly a meme china has a shitload of missiles and even with good damage control a single ashbm hit could do billions of dollars of damage to the fleet. the only real advantage of larger ships is they're easier to damage control which is something the US navy has historically excelled at, but ashbms hitting at near vertical trajectories make surviving a direct hit much less likely than getting hit on or near an armor band by a shell. look at the moskva for an example of a modern arsenal ship, and a great example of why they're not a good idea.
>>524140965Are you retarded? Of course a drone could dink a battleship. Obviously you wouldn't use a small fpv drone, you'd make a bigger drone.
>>524141259you are wasting your time man, the united states is living in a fantasy think france entering ww1 on horseback, with sabers, and brightly colored uniforms levels of delusion and it has to get decimated like this in the pacific theater before things change.
>>524140622>China has missiles that can hit Guam.Yes, but the vast majority of their ballistic missiles are a fraction of that range. The threat envelope at 3000km vs 600km is extremely different. The number of land based ballistic missiles with the range to go out that far is nowhere near 600 per battlegroup. It also assumes a striking first scenario which might be ideal for a chances at a military victory but is also hugely more likely to get other nations in the region sucked into the way, and also guaranteed to get the United States involved at all.
>>524141684the west is doomed when people like you are hyping up projects this out of touch with reality.
>>524133360Will it fly?
>>524141684war*>>524141754What are you even talking about? Do you not have any grasp on the context of the conversation?
>>524134074Yes please Mr. Trump build the largest ships you can so a single hypersonic missile or drone can send it to the bottom of the ocean. You would make Putin's and Xi's life so much easier if you did.
>>524141803im legitimately worried about the future of my country man you people are living in an alternate reality, please take your meds your family misses you.
>>524134074>spend billions on some giga ship>can still be sunk by a FPV drone with a grenade with an RPG taped to it
>>524141894Are you an actual retard? I'm not even talking about the battleship, it's a stupid fucking idea. We're talking about carrier battlegroups and ballistic missiles.
>>524141684The only way that china invades Taiwan is by striking the US and her allies first. There is no limited war option. The Chinese, if they decide to go, will open the war with a missile arsenal dump on Japan, Korea, the Philippines, Guam, and any USN fleets in range. The only way this changes is if allies break away prior to the war and make deals with china. Japan might do this in the next decade or so, given current US politics. I personally advocate for this. I don't give a fuck about Taiwan and am not interested in fighting for it. Japan should go neutral and get her own nukes imo.
>>524141963you are wargaming some grand naval battles like its 1945 still man, where exactly have you been for the past 70 years?
>>524141397This new battleship thing is entirely a Trump phenomenon, nobody except for him has said shit about trying to develop new battleships because it's patently retarded. The USN already has autonomous small ships undergoing trials and there has been a lot of discussion around the disastrous situation of naval procurement.the smart move at this point is to swallow pride and work with Europe/Japan/Korea to get a bunch of 'good enough' designs cranked out and fitted. We don't have 15 years. 8-10 years at an ABSOLUTE maximum before China tries to blockade Taiwan and it's most likely in the next 2-3. We can figure out what we'll need longterm after the impending Taiwan crisis is over, however it's decided.
>>524142075Are you going to make a coherent point or criticism or just inanely ramble about nothing in particular?
>>524142075What the actual fuck is wrong with you?
>deciding what military hardware to buy based on 'rule of cool'this is what decadence looks like
>>524133360>gun boat diplomacy We’re so back baby.
>>524142087Taiwan is lost already unless america comes up with a new doctrine and weapon system. There's no way Americans are going to support a long war of attrition over Taiwan and it's not even clear that they could win such a war if they tried.
Someone needs to engineer a virus that kills everyone with an iq of under 110.
>>524142359That is probably impossible.It is possible to create a virus that wipes out an entire race though.Jews and chinks are extremely dangerous from this point of view, they're investing a lot in bioweapons research.
>>524142187we are going to live to see my countries navy get decimated in the pacific thats whats wrong with me, you know what else is wrong with me this country can't stop spending money it doesn't have on stupid pet projects and acting like we are still at our historic heights of power and influence thats whats wrong with me, these conversations piss me off because its fantasy war has changed, just look at what happened in ukraine and how much has changed and the things that were useful before are largely irrelevant now im frustrated that people are sounding the war drums in my country so much when our military might has declined so much we couldn't win a war against goat fuckers in the mountains of afghanistan and we left with our tails between our legs, and they unironically think we are going to win this multi-faceted war against russia, china, iran, and whoever else all at once.
>>524141979I think at this point widespread nuclear proliferation is probably in the best interests of everybody. Unfortunately at least for the moment, Taiwanese industry is fairly irreplaceable, though one can hope that changes.
>>524140364good points i stand corrected. yeah i don't know what they're thinking then with the battleship talk.
>>524140213>railguns from JapanThe US has been sitting on multiple working railgun designs for over 20 years now anon. The only thing japs beat them to the punch on was publicly finding a way to get more than 2 shots out of each "barrel" before it beeds to be replaced.
>>524138028USA cant into drones. And its questionable how well they will perform in a heavy EW saturated environment.... So far the only large drone ship with any combat capabilities so far has been this ~500t ship with 12 VLS cells, towed sonar, ASEA radars, 2 x lightweight torpedo tubes, and possibly HQ-10 SAM based CIWS, and a RWS probably armed up to a 20-30mm.You need something bigger than this if you want it to sail across the Pacific and be useful.
>>524142790and by finding a way I mostly mean they just took designs America gave them, and made them smaller and weaker.
>>524136518>Denounce the zoharvery anti-christian of you anon, you don't know that (according to christian in pol) the ancient isralies are white (so do jesus) and that jews only appeared after jesus dead?
>>524133402I fuck cats
>>524142187its complete fucking delusion to think the us stands a chance in a modern kinetic war of any kind without taking massive losses that are going to be cripplingly expensive, anyone with any sense would be advocating for a peaceful strategy in the pacific with china and russia and anything short of that is going to just be a pointless waste of lives and resources.
>>524133402>vulnerableTo what from whomst? You, machmaed?
>>524136647Soon we will have a Great Golden Fleet.America rules the waves!
>>524143092>drones>hypersonics>China's ability to shit out 1000000 missiles for every 10 your MIC can cobble together>your own hilariously retarded naval staff who keep crashing into each other
>>524143033yes. there's a reason why we haven't really had any real warfare since the "war on terror".
>>524142653I understand that you're crying I just don't know why you're doing it here.
>>524143033>>524142187you think we're going to win wars when so many of our servicemen are overweight, haven't fought against an actual military that isn't a fucking joke, and are filled with women and diversity quotas? have you fucking looked around at my countries politics lately do you have any idea how badly the competency crisis has hit the united states because the warhawks are going to find out just how badly decayed our might has become, and im tired of playing nice with people who say otherwise, do i sound cruel? GOOD GET THE FUCK OVER IT AND FACE REALITY IS WHAT I WANT MY COUNTRYMEN TO HEAR, WE ARE NOT THE NATION WE USED TO BE WAKE THE FUCK UP TO REALITY ALREADY.
>>524133360USA is becoming unironically invincible. Comfy.
>>524133402Lol the faggot arab living in england for free is jealous that we will have a real navy again awww that's just precious
>>524142790Yeah I don't see any practical use for ship mounted rail guns in the age of drones and hypersonics.
>>524143029Sick fuck.
>>524143424You wouldnt because you're not America.
>>524143183>I would give everything for thisremember the maine, to hell with spain
>>524143033Again I ask you what the actual fuck is wrong with you. If you bothered to read anything you'd see I agree with you and have been very anti war this whole thread. You respond to people without reading what they wrote like you're a redditor. It's so fucking annoying.
>>524143589i know you are im not talking to you im just venting about how fucking stupid my countrymen are man, im reading your posts and i just get filled with rage at the people in power in my country THEY ARE SO FUCKING STUPID AND ARE JUST GOING TO GET MY PEOPLE FUCKING KILLED FOR NO FUCKING REASON.
>>524143777how the fuck is the united states supposed to manage a multi-pronged war from multiple sides, because now not only do we have china, russia, and iran to deal with, we are making enemies with SOUTH AMERICA TO? how the fuck ANY OF THIS REALISTIC, AND WHAT FUCKING COUNTRY IN HISTORY HAS EVER SURVIVED A WAR OF MULTI-FRONTS LIKE THIS? WHO AND WHEN MOTHERFUCKERS, WHY ARE WE SO WAR HUNGRY IN CONDITIONS LIKE THIS, WHAT THE FUCK IS EVERYONE THINKING???
>>524143777Shut the fuck up fucking retarded fagget. Just put the fries in the bag and be grateful youre not where you belong which is Hatia of sudan.
>>524133360kind of cringe desu, next gen is all about speed and firepower. muh big boats aren't as effective anymore when the drone swarms come.
>>524133360a new contractor grift just dropped say goodbye to free healthcare and education
>>524133360Nothing here to add to this thread thats already been said but for a while I was going down the rabbithole of naval tech and procurement and its wild. Theres just billions upon billions of dollars that every western country sinks into ONLY DESIGNING all these super expensive future vessels and yet none of them ever get built lol OR they get built in incredibly limited numbers because of cost overruns, lack of infrastructure, shifting of operational goalposts, and political BS. It fucking pays bigly to be a mitary ship company because they get loads of money just to do research and make shit on a computer while never having to actually build them because someone in govt chamged their mind.Perun has some really good videos that cover how fucked up ship building has become.https://youtu.be/r7aWmtOhMjo
>>524144033you people need to wake up and step back a little and re-evaluate how many enemies we have, who is going to help us europe? we fund everything they have and they can't help us for shit in a real war our current allies are next TO FUCKING USELESS i want to legitimately hear your answer you stupid bastard, how the fuck can we win and who the fuck is going to aid us and FUCKING HOW?
>>524133360That’s cool but the chinks build ships at 230x the globohomo capacity.
>>524144143American procurement in particular is a special kind of disaster. Euros have been doing a lot better at actually building hulls at a somewhat sane price point for what they are.
>>524144115Shut up retard, they’ll equip battleships with railguns.
>>524136518>Denounce the talmudTrump would never
>>524133402>>524134868Basically this. The USA is basically a nigger who managed to buy a Ferrari but can't afford gas for it. So he parks it in front of your house in the hopes you ding it after which he will shake you down for more money.
>>524144010It's programmed demolition. America is the next Reich, unironically. And it will be dismantled like the previous 3.
>>524144278We can only pray they aren't that retarded.
>6 years ago: omg Russia is so scary they so many dudes and weapons omg they are so strong, there is no way a war with them would be easy, my sissy clit is dripping thinking about it.>Right not: omg China is so scary, they have so many scary dudes and weapons, there is no way a war with them would be easy, my sissy clitty is leaking just thinking about it.
>>524144364im watching my country die in real time man, and these fucking FOOLS living in A FUCKING FANTASY LAND WHERE THE US ISN'T A DECLINING POWER WITH A WEAKENING CURRENCY AND NO ALLIES WITH A MODERN EQUIPPED MILITARY THAT COULD RIVAL RUSSIA, CHINA, OR IRAN I WANT TO FUCKING KNOW WHAT I CAN DO OTHER THAN RAGE ABOUT HOW FUCKING IGNORANT EVERYONE IS BEING RIGHT NOW.
>>524133360Battleships are slow and easily targetable vanity projects.Destroyers and carriers are the newer standard for a reason.
He’s the best President America has ever had.President Trump wooo!
>spend $50B on a ship>it gets destroyed by a $50 drone
this is france ww1 levels of delusion and anyone that doesn't see that i genuinely weep for you because we are going to have to find out the hard way it seems.
>>524134868….unless you’re from Israel
>>524144176No you need to wake the fuck up and realize you know jack shit about geopolitical relations or warfare.
>>524144728IF IT WAS JUST RUSSIA, OR JUST CHINA MAYBE we come out on top with luck and no nuclear, if it goes global and devolves into a world war the united states is going to get hit from every side, the atlantic, the pacific, and the south via latin america europe can't do shit to stop it either they aren't FUCKING EQUIPPED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, what exactly is the fucking plan when the orange retard keeps making NEW FUCKING ENEMIES EVERY WEEK?
>>524133360>battleshipBet he calls a rifle an "assault rifle"
>>524144871i'd like to hear your refutation of anything i posted EVEN A SINGLE FUCKING THING RIGHT FUCKING NOW THEN DICKHEAD.
Can anyone break down the classifications for modern US naval ships? Most of my knowledge if from the Second World War so I assume it is vastly outdated. Are Cruisers and Destroyers the mainline to protect the Carriers? Would it be worth building (if the industry can even handle that) a sufficient amount of lighter ships to match China rather then go all in on the Dreadnoughts?
>>524133360We'll see.Any ship with missiles is a battleship these days.The old classification system doesn't apply anymore. DD, CL, frigate, they're all just clever bazookas with varying weight problems and gay crews now.Maybe this type of vessel will displace 150kt. Probably not. Depends on how fat the energy weapon has to be, and accordingly the nuclear reactor.
>>524144409Except people who weren't retarded were quite clear that Russia was a dumpster fire back then. You were just listening to retards.
>>524144995Classification is basically just whatever the navy feels like. Destroyers are well rounded, cruisers are air defence. Frigates are anti-submarine with extra frills. More larger ships is the opposite of what is needed right now. There are no available slips to build them that aren't already busy, but there are empty slips for very small vessels.
>>524144409Russia didn't anticipate the new age of drone warfare and it underestimated Ukraine's ability to repel the decapitation strike. Nevertheless, it has basically won as everyone knew it would. Your analogy is gay and retarded. According to your analogy, china would win a war against us but only after both sides suffered catastrophic and existential losses. Yeah, we know, that's what we're afraid of, retard.
>>524145454im really really worried about your country man, what are you guys going to do in a global conflict that everyone seems to be drumming up, because your target 1 on chinas list when this goes tits up, im legitimately worried man, these fucks are going to get us fucking killed.
>>524133497>>524139478>>524139798>>524134769>>524142087I can bet that this is primarily driven by his own personal ego, more than any actual military purpose. He only wants to immortalize his persona, image over the decaying modern Roman Empire, the US.And one big, the biggest USN capital ship, bigger than any US aircraft carriers, named after himself --- USS Donald J. Trump --- is one excellent way to immortalize his name & legacy after his leave.>aircraft carrierAircraft Carriers (and name it after presidents/PMs/monarchs) are too mainstream. He aims to be unique & higher than those. Thus, he got an idea of reviving BBYou can imagine he'll at one time shill USN is the world strongest navy with 11 carriers full of the world's mightiest fighter planes, and other time claims that "carriers are obsolete, battleship is the new show of force" to shill his image to the entire world.Don't give him any idea of presidential supersonic jetliner: he might legit resurrect SST only for his personal presidential aircraft, paid by taxpayers; only because he wants to spit on bongs & frogs over Concorde corpses.
>>524143221Do you have any evidence of the efficacy of these unseen weapons against US naval capabilities? Would long range ground attack perhaps provide some kind of extended capability to the current navy?Chingchingbingbangboo
>>524145243That Destroyer and Frigate switch around has confused me a little, should it not be the other way around? I don't think you are wrong, for the record, I am just confused about why the Navy is using those titles for those roles when historically it was the other way around. It sounds like Cruisers should be looked at more due to the drone threat, do the Americans have Heavy and Light variants? Battleships are just a bad idea and essentially an impossible one given the slips and general state of the economy. Are these very small vessels worth building in quantity? This will sound very uneducated but are they logistically able to carry out cross-sea missions? The could function as drone carriers I suppose, if placed well in formation.
This is so fucking cringe and stupid. Get me off this ride
>>524134769Let's debunked all the crap you just said.>The ammunition for the guns was so expensive they gave up.Nope, they aren't and they didn't gave up. Projection of the russian T-14>Enormous money laundering boondoggle.Projection >They only built twoYes, two are enough for this Battleship, but not for the T-14.>Complete cost overrun boondoggle to create a fleet of ships that barely work No, they work and there weren't any boondoggle; projection again.>They can only fight Somali piratesYes, since the US right now isn't fighting any other naval opponent.>their hulls aren't corroding and springing leaks.No, they aren't, but a ship leaking is not a big event. But that not the cases for very huge leaking that is a feature of any russian warship.>Constellation Class Frigate. Cost overrun boondoggle. Project cancelled before any were built.Nope, but military project are altered or changes regularly, there is a absolutely no issue about this.>Coast Guard cutter into a frigate with some semblance of combat capabilityNo a cutter, and no issue with this; again projection of the russian army's bad shape.
>>524145620I actually think China would settle for a mere economic war with Japan then actually try to invade it. For them I imagine it is Taiwan as a military target, SEA has a target for influence, their Southern border with India as a possible escalatory front and South Korea maybe depending on the general dynamics of a wider conflict.
>>524136800Did you even watch the speech you fucking retard?
>>524133402With what military UnK?
>>524145933i thought so to until the other day when they almost had an air conflict with japan im not sure the details i didn't look into it much but it does seem like china would if it went kinetic, and if it goes global china has no choice but to strike japan and korea.
>>524145794>Are these very small vessels worth building in quantity?If they were comparable to say, an F110 class, then yes absolutely. But as of what they're currently shaping up to be? Absolutely not. https://www.twz.com/sea/navys-new-frigate-will-not-have-vertical-launch-systems-for-missilesThis whole shitshow makes the Canadian River class look competent. At this point the navy just needs to buy off the shelf from Europe and not make ANY alterations. Cruisers are basically dead and it's unlikely the Ticonderoga class will even get a replacement in our lifetimes.
>>524144992You don't deserve that luxury.
>>524145933If things kick off, we will be bombed hardcore because of the US bases here. Our own air force and navy will also be attacked.
>>524133360What a fucking retard. You know what we need instead of a new fleet of battleships? About a billion drones.
>>524146253To be fair drones are mostly useless in the pacific theater. High performance ones have some applications but FPV style is worthless in a pacific naval conflict.
>>524146062you don't have one, im clearly laying out my concerns because i actually care about humanity and the barbarity of ww2 is going to be nothing in comparison to what ww3 is going to look like, lets have it out lay down your refutations if you have them and alleviate my fears, because im legitimately worried about what the world is going to look like if we actually have a global kinetic war and im not sure anymore we can win.
>>524133360Housing the power infrastructure for laser systems/ microwave emitters and railguns simply requires larger ships. Deploying sufficiently microwave emitters could fry millions of lil drones and cruise missiles in a single instance in a large radius. Of course, you could insulate them to some degree
>>524146400You aren't frying anti-shipping missiles with microwaves. Microwaves have incredibly poor ability to propagate through a water rich atmosphere. The missile would cross your effective range almost instantaneously. Lasers are more viable, but the problem with lasers is not power generation, it's building the actual components, like a lens, which can withstand the amount of energy involved for more than one or two shots every 20 minutes. Drones aren't even a real threat to warships in the pacific. The concern is missiles.
>>524146061Are the European vessels good then? I assume not the British based on our "supercarrier" and her less then stellar record.>>524146052>>524146239Yeah I suppose if things really do get that heated then bombings will happen though I assume that will mainly be for show to begin with until the other threats on the mainland are isolated and containable. I remember some noise about Japan increasing their defence budget, how much of that is going to the airforce? I do think Japan should be careful about funding their navy and army to much when so much risk is going to come from the air. How is their navy doing? I assume they'll build defensively.
>>524146376No you simply have Trump derangement syndrome. This isn't even a decision made by Trump. The choice to invest in the navy is being made by hegseth and the other leaders of the military. Assuming you know more than people that have dedicated their entire life to the military and risen to the highest ranks is why you are not worthy of a response.
>>524136518Based. Fuck Chabad kikes.
>>524146347Anti ship drones already exist though.
>>524146376>>524146062ill start off right away, europe is useless without its own funded defense budget and standing military with modern equipment that WE DIDN'T PROVIDE, we need an ally that can equip itself and mobilize its own resources otherwise you are dead weight, meanwhile the eu is more worried about immigration status and hate speech than understanding the position the united states is in if we have to defend europe from the russians on one side of the world, fend off the attacks from our newly made enemies in south america, AND, somehow grapple with the middle east, i want to hear how our military strategists are going to manage to handle this without complete annihilation
>>524134074Trannies are well known for being armchair defense analysts.
>>5241340740/10 bait
>>524134769>Never going to happen.Are you implying that Trump says he’s gonna do something and then never does it? We see right through you, tranny.
>>524146582This is a reasonable point and another potential issue regarding laser weapons is the relatively high amount of alloys and coatings which are highly reflective in the IR range.
If Ihad to guess a modern battleship would be very different from old ones.If I had to guess small number of big guns for long range inexpensive shelling like artillery, with computer controlled automated small guns to shoot drones and close range flyers down.Deployed with other ships loaded with medium and long range aa missiles.
>>524145920the ammo for the guns was too expensive because they never made enough ships for the economy of scale to kick in. they're now removing the guns that never got their special ammo and replacing them with hypersonic missiles.it was absolutely a boondoggle because the ship came in way over budget and under performance so they cancelled it.
>>524146640>>524146748we have a duty to defend nato countries, so you have to address my concerns, how is this possible when that defense has to come from us because they haven't funded their own men in decades because of us, what exactly can we do to help europeans in the event of an actual kinetic global conflict??
>>524146738They are incredibly slow, and incredibly easy to defend against if you aren't as inept as the Russians. They're essentially just torpedoes for poor people, not to mention the jamming problem. >>524146964The problem is that big guns aren't actually inexpensive. Battleship caliber shells are of similar cost to firing land attack cruise missiles, but guns are hugely space intensive and have appallingly poor rates of fire compared to volley firing your entire VLS complement.
>>524133402What a retard.>>524133497Yes>>524134278Fuck that, he should just buy the rusting Kirovs and paint some tits and hotrod flames on em
Let me guess. Him and his friends own stock in the companies building the ship, his sons are on the board of the company that supplies ammo, and the steel manufacturer bought $100M in MelaniaCoin. The ship will run $4B over a budget, take 12 years to complete, and will be labelled obsolete and retired in 2050 without ever having fought a single battle.
>>524147017Why would anyone attack NATO? Like you just said, they have nothing of value. They're destroying themselves ffs. I guess you're talking about Ukraine which is eventually going to have to surrender. Its just a matter of time.
>>524133360Lol we made a ship a day in ww2. Fuck this gay shit. I just want a house and 1 acre under 300k
>>524147287they are all going to attack at once in a multi strike on different continents, whats going to happen is china starts off fighting us in the pacific while the russians attack europe, the middle east goes after isreal, and south america comes from the south its a global conflict, what does the united do, go.
>>524139798We still need big guns to scare beaners on this side of the planet. 90% of the countries here have no anti-ship capability and no defense against shore bombardment. A trad battleship won’t happen but it will be a big missle/drone launcher.
>>524147287BRICS wants a piece of our asses.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-battleships-us-navy-pete-hegseth-11256267RENDERINGS are out
>>524134074fucking LMAO at retarded niggers theres a reason they became obsolete a hundred years ago retard
>>524147499
>>524133360ships are too slow for modern drone warfare.
>>524147403Why would they do this?
>>524136477pov: you are a chinese drone
>>524147477A battleship today won't necessarily have big guns. It could be a reinvention of battleships. Basically like if a missile cruiser was made even bigger and more formidable.
>>524147499>USS Defiant
>>524133360>new technology revitalizing artillery and now the return of battleshipsBASED!
>>524147713because it wins against the united states it stretches us thin and forces us to choose a location to fight, we cannot fight all our enemies at the same time, when on fight kicks off against china its only a matter of time before the other potentials join the fray, what do we do man we can't just keep making enemies and babying europe it wouldn't be so bad if i knew europe could fight and at least hold off the russians on that front while we manage the others, im not sure of how strong isreal is in totality but im sure they could deal with the middle east if iran doesn't have more weaponry than we think which im starting to think they do, and south america is going to be a brutal fight for us like afghanistan, we simply do not have the resources to fight all of these enemies.
>>524147739Reactive armor, electronic detection and jamming, laser cannons that don't expend ammunition and have instant strike capability, etc. Also, drone and missile deployment.StyroPyro proves you can use modern laser tech to blast through metal if you pump enough power into it.
>>524147739Yes, they need bigass reactors for FUCKHUGE electromagnetic weapons too. Like a giant cancer-dome jammer that ends drones for miles.
>>524147850No, what you're talking about would lead to nuclear war or the end of the world.
>>524147499It needs a golden dong
>>524147952THATS WHAT WORLD WAR 3 IS GOING TO END UP BEING BECAUSE LIKE I SAID I DON'T THINK WE CAN FUCKING WIN AND IN THAT SCENARIO I LAID OUT ITS OVER, the only way for them to win is to use the strategy i just said, to stretch us thin in a multi-pronged attack which is obviously what they are war gaming its the only way to win i've been over the scenarios a thousand times and its the only way to get over our might, how else would ww3 go down, please if im wrong here tell me how its going to go then.
>>524147914M8, look up the FAB 3000.It has a payload of 3 metric tons of explosives and a range of 50 to 70km.You have any idea what it would do to a shit even if it misses by a few meters?IT FUCKING LEVEL AN ENTIRE BLOCK OF COMMIEBLOCKS BUILD TO WITHSTAND NUCLEAR WARFARE.
>Trump ClassGod Damn, this nigga want be Korean like dictator
>>524147780RAIL GUNS!
>>524148207We want to build an arch of triumph for himself despite not having won any war...
>>524146786They actually are.
>>524148178I know. You have to actually get to the target to hit it though. That's where electronic warfare comes in.
>>524148512Tomahawks already had crude and primitive computer vision to avoid jamming.Today, it's trivial to build a missile system that know what is a ship and what is not a ship.I would not want to be inside of one of those in case of war. And I am in the reserve, having served as armoured infantry (literally target practice for zoomers)
>>524147952>>524148088i think if europe self funded, and we apologize to south america the situation can be salvaged a little bit, the idea that the united states just lmao rofl stomps the world is delusion and you probably think im overreacting but heres the deal, the warhawks are drinking their own kool-aid and haven't realized their ARE WAYS TO BEAT US, and we should be aiming for peace because the only way forward in a kinetic war is complete destruction their is no reason to pursue a world war and our fucking leaders need to understand the dire situation we end up in if ww3 ends up happening. my entire point is that if it breaks out, the only scenario ww3 plays out is the one i just said their isn't any other way for them to have a foothold otherwise.
>>524148740i piss and moan about ww3 all the fucking time because i realized a while ago we have no real advantage, and countries like poland need to get with the fucking program and stop antagonizing the russians, we can't fucking help them in a real war scenario, because the minute we mobilize china takes taiwan and then what? no ww3? thats absurd.
>>524133360>imagine a program like the f35 but for a naval warships
Watches High School Fleet once.
>>524133360in this case he is unironically like Hitlerbigger = betterwhen will the USA develop its own Schwerer Gustav railway gun?
>>524145826Take a chill pill
>>524146253Shut up Elon you retarded pajeet lover.
>>524148269That’s a cool arch, build it.
>>524149110i hope you fucking europeans realize whats going to happen if you keep antagonizing the russians and chinese, the united states can't help you and you are on your own because if we do the world ends, the moment we mobilize in one direction we get struck in another and like the guy who responded to me succinctly put, the world ends in nuclear holocaust which obviously has to be avoided at all costs, so what will we do in that scenario we'll sacrifice you to save the world, we can't help, so all that saber rattling the polish, the romanians, the finns, keep doing you're signing your own death warrants.
you people need to wake the fuck up and start doing real politics but these fucking games you keep playing are dangerous and none of this is a fucking joke.
>>524150917>none of this is a fucking jokeIt is a joke, bro. There's no sides, no real enemies, no real allies. Everything is just business masquerading as political theatre.
>>524133360Aren't you people 30 trillion dollars in debt?
>>524150917With the sad state of russia's nuclear forces and sign of disintegration in parts of the russian military, I am not particularly concerned about them in the long term. There is a reasonable chance that Russia will fall within the next 5 years.There is also a potential path for a conventional upgrade of weapon systems closing the gap (the accumulated /overallenergy stored in chemical bounds of a single molecule can indeed exceed the energy stored in the nucleus of some fissile material) between conventional weapons and nuclear weapons https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/most-energetic-molecule-ever-made-is-stable-in-liquid-nitrogen/4021662.article
>>524151068see thats where you are wrong, its very real and thats the actual secret i don't think you realize how close we get on certain political days to an actual war thats what has me so concerned because their isn't a scenario where it happens and the us mobilizes that we don't get hit in a multi-pronged retaliatory strike and then what, well the only then what is what i said because its the only way for them to win so they will proceed with the scenario i said they would do because thats what i would do if i were them its the only way to respond without nukes, and when we are on the ropes or one of the other countries is then what? no nukes? thats an awfully crazy gamble to play, and yet on the news i see poland talking so much shit everyday like they don't know what im talking about, and then it hits me, they actually don't realize how dire the situation is, and thats when the competency crisis gets scary.
>>524134769It's always amusing to see how out of touch Boomers like Trump are.We're witnessing the collapse of an empire.
>>524133360Don't get on the ships. This is what that post was about. These will be human sacrifice ships that will make us go to drone warfare and be political theater.
this is a political poster.dont expect this to go through.or at the very best only a single vessel will be made and the rest cancelled.just like the zumwalts and many other military orders that were cancelled before reaching their planned numbers.
capital surface vessels are on borrowed time.the submarine is the lords of all seas for the foreseeable future.
>>524142653I pray to god every day that if war kicks off Canada doesn't join Americas side for this very reason
>>524136800still not repaired btw
>>524133497The entire US military?
>>524135530>Muh golden death starDoes the White House still have petitions you can sign? I would like to make new attempt of getting a Death Star from this administration.
>>524134074They are bad you massive faggot..kys
>>524133360Melnibonean bros, we're so back.
>>524151388>i don't think you realize how close we get on certain political daysI think you would come to this conclusion if you were sticking to just headline news. Dig a little deeper beyond the sabre rattling we hear on the frontpage and you'll find that there's stuff regarding trade and business negitiations that belies any of the talk about war and conflict.
>>524147001>and replacing them with hypersonic missilesCorrection: they want to replace them with hypersonic missiles but currently can't due to the fact that the US has yet to build a functional one.
>>524148178fabs are basically gravity bombs.they are a non factor against a strike group.that goes the same for cruise missiles.it is hypersonics man. hypersonic projectiles. the capital ships are on borrowed time and will all be destroyed in the next big war.aircraft carriers made the battleships obsolete in the last world war and they will be obsolete in the next big war and will all be shredded by hypersonic projectiles.china already has a fucking mockup on a fucking desert to test out their hypersonic inventory.
Imagine being in the shore bombardment range of these beasts..But why are Americans back to building battleships? guess ordering these behemoths might help restart the American steel industry. Even still I don't think that the creating a need for the American steel industry even combined with possible president's vanity project or political goals would be enough to force the United States Navy to order these ships.So what has changed in the naval warfare? Are modern battleships capable of taking a hit from the anti-ship missiles? Would anti-ship missiles need to be more destructive and thus bigger and heavier and therefore easier to intercept leading to sort of an arms race?Do these ships have range to work in the pacific ocean with it's huge distances? Where would these ships be the best to put in good use?Maybe the west already has such a naval superiority that they can concentrate more on more tight and strategically important areas and bottlenecks..
>>524133360>Peace president
I imagine having loads of these battleships in the East and South China seas would make it very hard for the Chinese navy to operate without getting drawn into the decisive battle if they want to do anything.
>>524152571>>524154144>>524159436All good points
>>524159436at most 1 or 2 will be ever built manthis is a political poster above all else.
>>Trump said the ship would be longer and larger than the World War II–era Iowa-class battleships and equipped with hypersonic missiles, rail guns and high-powered laserswow
>>524134074Unfathomably based!It really is that easy.
>>524133402Good luck hitting it hijra.
>Trump's preparing for a possible war with China? Fuck you Trump. Im not dying for Taiwan>Trump's not going to war with China? TACO. He cucked. What a bitch.
>>524160975Also nuclear cruise missiles It could be good. I dont know how many ships right now are good at striking targets on land. Seems like theres some use for the new Trump class battleships. See how it goes
>>524133402Ok but when that happens Trump wont be president anyways so its not his problem
>>524135372>>524136271This is what I voted for.
>>524147499Trump hates those type of stealth design ships, he says they're ugly and stated that the new ships will do away with all that crap, they're going to be big and bold like the old dreadnoughts.
>all these faggot notactics retards sucking trumps dick over decades deprecated naval technologyThe future of naval combat is in the air and under the water.
>>524135363Howdy, Shlomo. I hope your family dies in a fire started by Persians, meaning started by you.It's amazing to me that you dickwads just can't seem to get along, and that you always have to be monkeying with shit, but here we are, and so it is necessary for you to go once again.My personal hope and special Christmas Wish this year, though, is mainly just that all the nations of the world can finally just all come together in a spirit of peace and prosperity at this holy time of Christmas, and offer Elon whatever the fuck he wants in return for shooting all the Jews on Earth straight into the Sun on special 'space boxcars', with special 'round-the-sun' trips for those willing to pay more and clear riders for more contracts once the initial job was done. That's just my hope and special Christmas Wish, though
>>524133360Hopefully a giant A-10 warthog in ship form with a gatlin gun 1/4 mile long.
>>524163092>the ship is built around the gun
>>524142653Your current guy in charge is well aware of the problems and is trying to fix them for future generations as well, and although time is short and most Westerners are brainwashed either by teevee or by their phones, I still feel optimistic about our future. Stay strong, brother, and just be patient. Have a beer, or several. It's all good. We can just sit here with our beers and just be patient together, if you like. Lots of room, so grab a seat, and cheers to you.
>>524153877>canada>war>lol>lmao evenFor once it's not a skills issue, though
>>524146640>The choice to invest in the navy is being made by hegseth and the other leaders of the military. Assuming you know more than people that have dedicated their entire life to the military
>>524133402Battleships are expensive and slow. They are an easy target of precision strikes. Battleships were phased out after WW1 for a reason.
>>524133360memes incoming, sir.
>>524133402imagine being this submissive after the falklands
>>524144374Never underestimate how retarded the US military is.
>>524134074>>524134074>>524134074
>>524166052Just consider the term like it's normally presented to you though the media. A "battleship" in the media nowadays is just anything north of a battery-operated canoe, and maybe not even then.
>>524133360Boomers were raised in a state of total intoxication with the Second World War. They simply cannot let it go. They want battleships and tanks..What next? bit stratofortress bombers carbuncled with plexiglass machine gun nests?
>>524136632That little maneuver sets the whole big ass boat 12" back from the recoil
>>524134278>Come on Trump; please, PLEASE bring back the dreadnought.And Commodores. DAMN The Torpedoes!
>>524135180>>524135180 modern missile defense systems and Close-In Weapon Systems (CIWS) could potentially intercept 16-inch battleship shells, though it's a tough challenge due to the shell's speed and mass, with systems like the Phalanx (CIWS) and even some naval missiles (like SeaWolf) proving capable against artillery, but success against massive 16-inch shells depends heavily on reaction time, system-to-shell match, and sheer volume of fire.
>>524142087>>524142357I don't know about the military stuff but I don't even want to fight for Taiwan - or as my government calls it officially, Chinese Taipei. My preferred solution to the Taiwan situation is that we steal the chip technology, move it to Texas and then forget we ever cared about them.
>>524144010Dying empires starting lots of wars is just typical of the state of decay, same way ballerina pose is typical on someone that just hit the back of their head on concrete. It's a way to avoid the impending domestic crisis just a little bit longer. Imperial governments don't have a relevant role in a domestic reordering.
>>524154587Get him to do the Star Wars space rail gun Raegan was gonna build in the 80's!Point it at Tel Aviv
Better THREAD HERENEW BAKEMOVE OVER>>524168039 >>524168039 >>524168039 GET IN HERE!!!
>>524133360Me mateys! Arrr
>>524146786
>>524142653Hello ivan
>>524170599it's so funny because a tranny made that pic
>>524133360Would be s shame if a 5000€ drone sank it.
>>524144176Does it fuck with your mind doing what you do? Larping as a rich American when you're a thirdie with a vpn.
>>524133360I didn't ask for that kind of waste of money.
>>524142087>>524142075>>524142068https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5HaqZ2PKu60Playa Fly thinks you all are faggots.
Did we not have battleships during the four years between trump's terms? What happened to them? lol
>>524133360Based retard
>>524134868>June 8th 1967, Nothing bad shall happen today for our country is mighty, our allies honest, and our ship secure!
>>524172002The concept has been obsolete for over half a century.
>>524133360>35,000 tons>only 140 VLS cellsEveryone knows this piece of junk is going to get cancelled the moment he’s out of office.
>>524135372>>524136203>>524136477>double barrelled massive cannonsstop, i can only get so erect
>>524148269If the madman manages to keep the USA out of the big war, he deserves that arch of common sense triumph and the golden angel on top is a peace angel that saves a million american lifes
>>524147479>BRICS wants a piece of our assesJust give them your mom's fat ass, that'll be enough for them
Will they have their own mini golden domes
>>524137192Make a bunch of small containers with wooden exterior, put drones inside, camuflage it with nets, plastic bottles and seaweed to look like a pile of floating garbage.Drop them so the current will make them intercept the carrierActivate drones when close enough.
>>524133360Can't wait for the future headlines "Golden fleet sunk in the strait of Taiwan".
>>524133360Does he know any other adjective rather than golden? He's obsessed with it like a likeGolden dome, golden age, golden fleet
>>524143221Stolen tech that falls apart if someone looks at it sternly
These are for the UAP war in 2027.
>>524133360Thanks to this, I went from being a vocal critic of the jewnigger empire to a Trump supporter in no time.Show me some big beautiful battleships, Donald.
>>524138036It’s because we don’t admit that we have clashes all the time with other countries so we invent stupid excuses. Also we kill off soldiers who learned too much.We have had legit training exercise crashes and they are always on camera
What is golden about it? The toilets?
>>524172002We have Missile destroyers now. John Mccain didnt like batttleships.
>one shots your pedophile class 50 gorillion usd battleshitnothing personal kiddo
>>524133402Oh no we're so afraid of pooboats.
