These are both political subcultures (right-wing and left-wing, respectively), so it belongs here. I used to follow carnivore diet people and they never, ever actually address their opposition in good faith. I never saw Shawn Baker or Paul Saladino address that veganism is an ethical movement at all, let alone the ethical arguments of said movement. Veganism is not a health diet fad. Arguing that your diet is healthier than theirs is irrelevant when they think that your diet is unethical. Yes, carnists may be correct that eating meat is good for you. But guess what? The elite is also correct that raping and sacrificing children is good for them. Slaveowners were correct that slavery was good for them. Rapists are correct that raping is good for them. And so on.
>inb4 slavery and rape are based, I hate women, total nigger death
>>524136054why not both?
>>524136054All carnivores want to eat people secretlyYou cannot convince me otherwiseAll vegans want mass human extinction You cannot convince me otherwise
>>524136663Well, vegans think that eating meat is wrong and carnivores think that all plants are harmful.>>524136753Vegans can be misanthropic but so are 99% of the posters on here.
vegetarianism is the happy medium
>>524136054Both are psychopathic retards.
>>524136949The dairy and egg industries are equally if not more fucked up than the meat industry. There is no dairy industry without veal, there is no egg industry without culling male chicks, etc. And they're still generally treated like shit and slaughtered when they're no longer useful.
>>524136054What does diet have to do with the wing war? Can someone ELI5 American politics and why it relates to diet?
>>524136841then ignore both retards then
>>524136054Can't say I recommend either one, but carnivore is a million times healthier than vegan.
>>524136054People need excuses to feel like a manBuying some poor animals flesh at the supermarketis that outlet for some.Factory farms are an abhorrent shame.So give me the beans
>>524137473The right-wing is based on Christianity and appeals to tradition. Veganism is inherently anti-Christianity and anti-tradition.The left-wing is based on progressivism and appeals to compassion.Veganism is inherently progressive and compassionate.
>>524138013Christianity is a man's compassion.It's understanding the full puzzleGod gave us the plants to eatand then he gave us the animals becausehe lowers himself to be kind at times.He is the Lord of All Living Flesh.A wise man ought to regard the life of his beasts.
>>524137302Of course but most agricultural industries including plant based ones lead to animal death in one way or another. Millions of animals die each year due to habitat loss, and probably millions (if not billions) more insects die due to pesticide usage on plants. Obviously its not vegans fault however most vegans don't seem to care about whether or not pesticides were used on their produce or if their produce required deforestation. Farming is just innately fucked up but it shouldn't stop humans from accessing basic nourishment.
>>524138348We should do well and better
>>524136054My college grillfriend was vegan but still swallowed my cum.It was the biggest source of protein in her diet of leaves and berries.
>>524138348I just want humans to be a less cruel species and veganism is objectively the best option we currently have in that regard. The more cruel we are towards animals, especially animals with deep emotional bonds like pigs and cows, the more cruel we are going to be towards each other as well. Just from the perspective of the person who has to participate in it, there's a reason that slaughterhouse workers get PTSD and insect exterminators don't. I care about the animals as well but I don't think that's a compelling argument towards people who don't care, since they can fairly point out that animals are going to suffer no matter what we do. Which is also why vegans should be approaching this from some sort of neo-gnostic position instead of a pro-nature position, but unfortunately they're mostly well-intentioned midwits.
>>524136753This is true. As a proud carnivore, the diet of vegetarians/vegans and their ethical alignment with livestock animals triggers my predatory instincts- I see vegans as prey animals to be eaten.
>>524136054>Veganism is not a health diet fad.Veganism is an elective malnutrition cult.You making yourself sick and stupid in the name of "ethics" is one thing. Trying to make other people sick and stupid is pure evil.
>>524136054>Ethics I do not care.
Carnitards are a joke. It's a problem that they are so sadistic and evil but other than that you can just laugh about these feces, tumor and cyst eaters.
>>524138013most original christians were vegetariansthe orthodox church, the second biggest denomination of christians, has extensive periods of vegetarianism and fast days, and the ethiopians go vegan for a whole month.not all vegans are politically motivated or just virtue signalling, but yes there is a large contingent.i went vegan for health, mostly because i messed up my body really bad with keto and carnivore, 2 diets that were recommended by doctors. turns out that doctors have zero idea about nutrition and get only about 10 hours or so of instruction on the subject. so a doctor is not necessarily a diet expert, unless he has gone to great lengths, on his own time, to become one.one such man was dr john macdougall, who has a giant internet presence, especially youtube. he has compiled decades of research on what foods cause harm and which ones heal. he and other doctors have been able to reverse many kinds of chronic disease in thousands of people simply by no longer eating things that harm you.and christianity itself advocates communistic sharing of resources as well as a radical departure from tradition, aka the law of moses. dr shawn faker is a steroid abusing psychopath who had lost his medical licence and needed a paycheck
>>524136054Eating meat is only political because jews who eat humans want human meat to be kosher and eating carnivores is not kosher.
>>524141128Eating meat is masculine. Im sorry your parents made you feminine
>>524140777The only predatory instincts you have are towards little boys
>>524140812>that pic Carnivore diet enthusiasts think that a diet that consists 100% of fatty red meat and salt with 0 fiber has no legitimate evidence of increasing their risk of rectal cancer or heart disease. You have to be ridiculously conspiratorial to believe this, and I'm sure most of them also don't believe in germ theory.
>>524138808>muh proteinif you eat enough calories in a day you get enough protein. you only need 5% of your calories to come from protein. human milk is about 5% protein, and that is to make a small baby into a big baby. protein is mostly only needed for repair, it does not provide energy without being first transformed to glucose by the liver, and that is only happening in ketosis. what you need for energy is carbohydrate, which is the fuel your body runs on.excess protein, especially animal protein, is very acidic and causes bone loss. this is because your body sacrifices bone (calcium, magnesium etc) to balance out the ph. this is where calcifications of the arteries comes from, as well as arthritis and kidney and liver disease.https://www.drmcdougall.com/education/information/five-major-poisons-inherently-found-in-animal-foods/
>>524141211This legitimately might be the quintessential /pol/ post.
>>524140777checkthis is not a diet, it is deluding yourselfi bet you watched a lot of home improvement in the 90s and thought you were supposed to act like tim. many such cases.you have zero defence of the diet, just posturing like anyone here is impressed.
>>524138348>Millions of animals die each year due to habitat lossThey'll die any way, usually pretty horrifically.Nature is cruel and must eventually be extinguished in its entirety, but we can give up on predation early.
>>524141544>but protein makes you blah blah blahDisregarded as i am stronger than you
>>524140812veganism has the best health outcomes of any diet that exists, and there are mountains of data to support this.and as for pure carnivore diets, we have data on that too. american eskimos have horrible arthritis and cardiovascular issues, as do african tribesmen that are carnivore.https://www.forksoverknives.com/wellness/extreme-nutrition-the-diet-of-eskimos/
>>524141811Lol imagine believing the WHO narrative. Keep eating your veggies and soi you fucking wristlet lol
>>524141323Uh no? Most boys eat meat like normal people, so I don't want to eat them.
>>524141811You're a fag and everyone knows it/thread
>>524141256thanks for telling us about your psychology and your needs and issues in that regard. yeah a lot of you clowns are like that
I have bean a vegan over a decade, life has been great. I don't see the issue.
>>524141890Imagine not liking the Who https://youtu.be/v6O5slQFFhc
>>524141999!!!
I can’t afford to buy meat anymore
>>524141737oh great someone from ireland is postingalways an intellectual tour de force>hey look i'm deliberately and aggressively ignorant isn't that cool?>>524141890what is wrong with the "who narrative"? did they make breast milk low in protein?your whole argument is that you are manly and i am not. yet you have never seen me and have no idea about me at all. you are proving the thesis set out in op's post, that carnivores are low iq performative closet cases. ok, maybe that's my thesis
>>524141953you can't /thread your own post newfriendwhy does not eating meat make you gay? does your mom know you use her computer to type such things?
>>524142120Everything vegan used to be more expensive, I would call it the "vegan tax", now everything else is expensive so it all costs the same.
>>524141955Memeflag disregarded>>524142004Imagine being proud of golemism, flag checks out though. Hey keep sending tax money to your israeli masters>>524142151It is pretty cool, considering no matter how much smarter you think you are i would maul you because im stronger lol
we must return to hunter gatherer lifespans of 30 years maximum due to clogged arteries and cancer
what
>>524142310You're missing out on kino https://youtu.be/9PnXts0Ni8I
If you claim to be a carnivore you should eat your chicken raw otherwise youre just a closeted fag trying to fake it
>>524142310you have no idea if you are stronger than me or notyou keep trying to bring the discussion to a place where you think you can "win", which is because you have no argument. and strength has little to do with pure diet, and more to do with exercise, and i'm betting drug use in your case. do you really think you eat steak and muscles just pop out? >>524142410that lifespan was actually much higher when corrected for infant mortality. lifespans of those who reached adulthood were comparable to ours. and all of the data shows that they ate a diet of mostly starch, like wild tubers, and very little meat. these people were also very tall and had little sign of arthritis or other chronic health concerns. we keep seeing the same pattern almost everywhere except for extreme environments like the arctic. people ate a mostly vegetarian diet with meat being only occasional. the whole paleo diet thing is marketing too. you could only find eggs in the wild once in a while and in certain seasons. it's not like muh cave mans were eating eggs every day. nobody was until modern farming. eggs are an unnatural food for people that live as hunter gatherers.
>>524141890>Lol imagine believing the WHO narrative. Keep eating your veggies and soi you fucking wristlet lolThey don't want you to have strong virtue, they just want you to be satisfied with few resources while the elite has more.WHO wants you to eat less meat, not be vegan.
>>524142300those foods are horrible for you and unnecessary. rice is cheap. so are oats, potatoes, and other starches which should be where the bulk of your calories come from.it is one of the cheapest diets you can follow. many people have zero idea about nutrition and think they need a whole bunch of processed replacement meat. this shows how embedded the idea that "meat is necessary" has become in people's minds. there are no nutrients found in meat that cannot be found in plant foods, and in a better, more absorbable format. above ground starches give you everything except for vitamins c, a, d and b12. d comes from sunlight and is a hormone, and b12 comes from bacteria. below ground starches like potatoes are nutritionally complete and people can not only survive on potatoes alone, but have better health than anyone they know.so to get c and a, a couple of broccoli florets are all you need. so rice and bit of broccoli, and you have complete nutrition. leafy greens are good for fibre and vitamins and minerals, but you won't ever get enough calories eating them. that is where high carb foods like fruit and starch come in.
For me, it's beans
>>524143613my brother from another mother here
bump
>>524143010Womp womp post body
>>524140777>eating men >who have penisesYou are gay
>>524136054Picking a diet based on politics is peak retardation.Both are incredibly bad for you in different ways. Also, that guy is pure juice.
>>524141475>Carnivore diet enthusiasts think that a diet that consists 100% of fatty red meat and salt with 0 fiber has no legitimate evidence of increasing their risk of rectal cancer or heart disease."The recommendation to limit dietary saturated fatty acid (SFA) intake has persisted despite mounting evidence to the contrary. Most recent meta-analyses of randomized trials and observational studies found no beneficial effects of reducing SFA intake on cardiovascular disease (CVD) and total mortality, and instead found protective effects against stroke. Although SFAs increase low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol, in most individuals, this is not due to increasing levels of small, dense LDL particles, but rather larger LDL particles, which are much less strongly related to CVD risk. It is also apparent that the health effects of foods cannot be predicted by their content in any nutrient group without considering the overall macronutrient distribution. Whole-fat dairy, unprocessed meat, and dark chocolate are SFA-rich foods with a complex matrix that are not associated with increased risk of CVD. The totality of available evidence does not support further limiting the intake of such foods." - ["Saturated Fats and Health: A Reassessment and Proposal for Food-Based Recommendations: JACC State-of-the-Art Review" (2020)](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109720356874)
>>524141811>veganism has the best health outcomes of any diet that exists, and there are mountains of data to support this."Early warning signals of the coronary heart disease (CHD) risk of sugar (sucrose) emerged in the 1950s. We examined Sugar Research Foundation (SRF) internal documents, historical reports, and statements relevant to early debates about the dietary causes of CHD and assembled findings chronologically into a narrative case study. The SRF sponsored its first CHD research project in 1965, a literature review published in the New England Journal of Medicine, which singled out fat and cholesterol as the dietary causes of CHD and downplayed evidence that sucrose consumption was also a risk factor. The SRF set the review’s objective, contributed articles for inclusion, and received drafts. The SRF’s funding and role was not disclosed. Together with other recent analyses of sugar industry documents, our findings suggest the industry sponsored a research program in the 1960s and 1970s that successfully cast doubt about the hazards of sucrose while promoting fat as the dietary culprit in CHD. Policymaking committees should consider giving less weight to food industry–funded studies and include mechanistic and animal studies as well as studies appraising the effect of added sugars on multiple CHD biomarkers and disease development." - ["Sugar Industry and Coronary Heart Disease Research - A Historical Analysis of Internal Industry Documents" (2016)](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2548255)
>you must eat the bugs and plants only and be a sickly AIDS patient
>>524149529Tofu is a complete protein. There will be an end to the horror.
>>524145662
>>524149369lol you act like this contradicts what i said somehow. my statement is what all the epidemiological data shows, that the less animal products you eat the better. >sucrose consumption also a risk factorit is linked, but not proven as causal. just like you can be present at 5 bank robberies, but not be a criminal. you might be a teller at a robbery prone branch. https://youtu.be/duoG7Q-eKp0this is a great resource on heart disease, as well as the hocus pocus treatments that doctors try to sell you that make you much sicker. https://youtu.be/5Olll-NpBBI?t=375
>>524149529vegans don't eat bugswhy does this come up every threadthis and the "post body" guy, every time. only he is under a different flag all the time, which tells me he is a furry and pretends to be an animal. he is probably using one of the furry sites that lets you post hidden furry porn and under whatever flag you want. fyi meat industry is also doing very poorly thanks to tariffs, their shills are in panic mode
