There is no such thing as citizenship without consent. In the same way that an American citizen cannot declare himself a French citizen and vote in French elections without consent from the French government, a foreign national cannot declare himself a U.S. citizen without consent.Citizenship in a Constitutional Federal Republic means holding equal political power over the collective decisions. That is something only existing citizens hold the right to offer to others, something which must be decided through elections and the lawmaking process.The court's ruling in Elk v. Wilkins in 1884 - just 16 years after the ratification of the 14th Amendment -endorses "the principle that no one can become a citizen of a nation without its consent." By making entry into the United States without approval a federal offense, Congress has effectively denied that consent.I argue that the 14th Amendment does not provide this consent. Instead it sets a limitation. To the authors of the 14th Amendment, "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" conveyed a limit to natural citizenship grounded in mutual allegiance. That means if people are free to deny their old national allegiance, and an independent nation is free to decide its own membership, the recognition of a new national identity must be mutual.Immigrants living in the United States illegally have not accepted the sovereignty of the nation's laws. On the other side of the coin, the government has not officially accepted them as residents under its protection.The ruling made by SCOTUS in Wong Kim Ark further reinforces this interpretation of the 14th Amendment in that the court only considered Permanent Legal Residents like Wong Kim Ark's parents, but not residents here illegally or temporarily.
>>524146291i have no problem with this. it is what i voted for
SCOTUS TO RULE ON CONSTITUTIONAL MERITS OF TRUMP EO ON BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP!https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/25/25-365/378052/20250926163053178_TrumpvBarbaraCertPet.pdfTHEY WILL MAKE THEIR RULING ON OR BEFORE JUNE OF 2026.THIS WILL RETROACTIVELY ERASE CITIZENSHIP STATUS FOR ALL THOSE IN THE US BORN TO ILLEGALS OR TEMPORARY VISA HOLDERS GOING BACK TO 1860S WHEN THE 14TH WAS RATIFIED!>Why would it be retroactive?The Constitution supersedes EVERYTHINGPOTUS cannot make EO's that are explicitly unconstitutionalCongress cannot make laws that are explicitly unconstitutionalWhen SCOTUS makes rulings ON the Constitution itself in their majority opinions on constitutional questions and interpretations those rulings are by DEFINITION, RETROACTIVE because to argue otherwise would be to claim that SCOTUS has the AUTHORITY or POWER to alter or amend the US Constitution which of course they don't.That power solely rests with Article V of the US Constitution, here I will quote it for you;>The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.SCOTUS CANNOT AMEND THE CONSTITUTION THUS THEIR RULINGS ARE SEEN AS WHAT THE CONSTITUTION HAS ALWAYS MEANT/ALWAYS WAS.
>>524146493I mean ex post facto is a thing but it certainly is a step in the right direction. The rest will leave when China starts its opening salvo for Taiwan. Hopefully there is a dusty action plan lying around the defense department for the rapid removal of foreigners.
>>524146737Ex post facto only applies to lawsSCOTUS does not make laws nor do they have the power to amend the US constitutionThis is why in Brown vs Board of Education the ruling was applied retroactively despite no law being "created" to enforce that. SCOTUS rulings on constitutional questions are treated as SCOTUS ruling on what the Constitution ALWAYS SAIDThe only way to reverse/amend/change a SCOTUS ruling on a Constitutional Question is for a new SCOTUS ruling to be made or for the Constitution to be Amended utilizing Article V of the US Constitution.
>flag>endlessly bloviating on the subtle nuances of us immigration law as it pertains to infinispic from way off yonderWhat an odd thing for a German to concern himself with.
>>524147065I am not germanI am posting from the spam site like everyone else, it gives you random flags
>>524146291>expecting the republican woman to vote for this
>>524146291Ending birth right citizenship of illegals and immigrants are an essential part of our national security and the preservation of our union. If you are illegal, or the children of illegals, you are not American. If you are an immigrant or visa holder, you are also not American. This is a national secuity issue. All dual citizenship needs to be banned and foreigners should not be able to buy houses. Period. Jews go back to Israel. Mexicans, go back to mexico. Chinese, go back to China. This country is for Americans only.
>>524147523based but also fuck leto
>>524147947blame the tranny jannies, i dont want to have to use the spam site but the jannies force me to because they range banned my ISP for an infraction that someone else committed more than a decade ago. I even tried emailing the tranny jannies and they don't even respond, so here I am posting high effort threads from the spam site.
>>524147711Euros go back to Europe
>>524148623Europe is not a country you brown piece of shit mother fucker. Do me a favor, tie a rope around your neck and lean against a door nob.
>>524148871I belong to the only group native to this land. Get off my land faggot.
>>524148946I'm American, this is MY country, you are either American or not. There is no in between you brown piece of shit. Fuck you. Fuck your family. I will kill you and your whole family. All traitors die first. Death to all non-Americans.
>>524148946you are a rape baby, juanyou have more spanish dna in you than you do the blood of your ancestors and your ancestors never built anything on that landa few stone temples 3 or 4 stories tall maximumThe Heritage Stock Americans took "your" land and built the richest, most powerful empire in world history
You tried and failed. Get out of my country.
>>524149227You never had a country nor did you have bordersYour ancestors simply weren't willing to protect their homes and their way of living
>>524146944Congress can change the Constitution.
>>524149286We showed kindness to the wrong people. We should have murdered your kind the moment they put foot on this land.
>>524149292No they can't.Only through Article V can the constitution be amended. That power solely rests with Article V of the US Constitution, here I will quote it for you:>The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
>>524149286American is not even a "native" word. He is not American and from Siberia! GO BACK TO SIBERIA! All non-Americans must leave the US.
>>524149138>I will kill you and your whole familyBased this is the kind of thing of I can get behind.
>>524149227Was never your country. It was land you were pointlessly occupying. We made it a country. Go back to the Rez and drink yourselves into extinction while you traffic drugs and sex traffic. At least you NA only torture each other and have the sense to live in a parallel culture to us.>t. South Dakota anon
>>524149331You didn't show kindness, you got your asses kicked by a superior civilization. Cope and seethe on your reservation that only cares about making money for its casino.
>>524149377How about we do whatever the fuck we want, limey? What, Patel, you worried you're never gonna make it to here? You're right to. Go destroy your colonizer, saar.
>>524149469Learn your own history faggot.
>>524146291I voted for that.
>>524149227CUHHHHAAA CUUUUUHAAAAA (You tried and failed. Get out of my country)
>>524146485>it is what i voted forAnother fell for it again award?
>>524149421>NAI don't think you should be referring to them as Natives. They are just Asiatics that genocided the Solutreans.
>>524149331Shut up retard
>>524149841no u
>>524149286Funny, cause the same can be said about you and the UK right now.
If you look up what the lefties argued when Roe VS. Wade came up, they literally just said Trump's a meanie white racist, that was their argument to the court. And the lefties lost that one.In this case too they won't make a serious argument, because the competency crisis has hit lefties harder than it has hit right wingers. It's why birthright citizenship in the US for illegal aliens and non-permanent visa holders is ending and it'll be retroactive.Because the left will CRY and SCREAM about this, instead of properly making an argument to the court.
>>524149421That's a Jew, anon. Native Americans don't have much love for beaners lol.
>>524146493It's not retroactive you dumb niggerkraut. When the us constitution was originally adopted it's wasn't retroactive to any court disputes surrounding British nationals
Every white I see I’m crack they jaw.
>>524146485Get ready for some third rate kike judge to block it, like all things that might benefit the White race.
>>524150424Not possible as this is already in the Docket for SCOTUS next session.There is no court higher than SCOTUS
>>524150237LOL, imagine being duck a subhuman that you aspire to being a nigger (and even fail at that).Go back to your own country, pajeet.
>>524146291>BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP ENDSGood. Total anchor baby deportation.
>>524146291120 million legal spics though
It seems like a thing only a traitorous governshit would allow in the first place.
>>524146291If It's already in the constitution, why don't you cowards just enforce it now?Oh that's right, because you faggots won't do shit!
>>524150059It won't be retroactive, unless the court is trying to foment civil war
>>524150697SCOTUS doesn't have a choice their rulings on constitutional questions are retroactive by default
>>524150603Lol whatever your government has told you to say, Chang.
>>524150539I found this image helpful and informative
>>524150776The court has made all sorts of arbitrary rulings over the centuries, they are not going to strip generations of citizenship, that alone is a practical impossibly.
>>524150961It's actually extremely easy and can be done with a stroke of the pen.
>>524150868No fool there 120 million legal hispanics in the US, your fucked even if all illegals get ICEed
>>524151095>legalif they were born to illegals then they are illegals
>>524150926That's why jeets always say MEDIAN INCOME SAAR but omit it's combined household income. Ten part-time 7/11 paychecks attributed to one house would be around $140k. Side note, I've been in their homes. They'll even live in "nice" suburbs. But once you're inside it's like a fucking ashram. What would be a large McMansion for 5 ends up being a packed dorm house of 12. Old fucks just hanging out doing nothing, like 8 different adults working mediocre to shit jobs, they all live like they're still in India but it's a suburban house in the US. Also smells terrible. Their food fucking stains the kitchen walls and ceiling.
>>524151095Whatever you say, Chang. Like you would know anything outside of your country's propaganda. I know for sure you have a small yellow dick, though.
>>524151213That aint the anchor baby number its the fucks who been here since the 80s
>>524151465All hispanics are illegal
>>524151465Forgot to change your flag and IP, Chang. Trying to manufacture consent in the thread, eh?
>>524151559Not according to the Immigration Act of 1950
>>524146291This will get shut on by the supreme court in no time. You can't argue that the spirit of the law was meant to target children of freed slaves specifically because if that had been the case it wouldn't have been written in such generic terms. It's obviously meant to be a more generic amendment that encompasses - but is not limited to - children of freed slaves.
Reminder that pic related is the current state of the oppositions argument.This is what they are going to present to SCOTUS as their counterargument next year>Yeah, everything Trumps lawyers says is 100% factually correct but like... SO WHAT?!?!lollmfao even!>>524151465If they were born to Temporary Visa holders or Illegal Aliens then they aren't citizens. It doesn't matter if they were born in 1980 or 1880. Their illegal blood taints all future generations onward.
>>524151760Not born in 1980, their family got here in the 80s since California in the 70s looked like an alien world
>>524151897>got hereunless it was through a Green Card and not a temporary visa or illegal migration then their children are not US Citizens.
>>524151897Lol you sound like one nervous chink right now. Your slopehead whore mother come here rooking for your tourist daddy? Lol you should kill yourself immediately, if only because you are doomed as a short small weak small penis slant eye.
>>524152206????? Kys
>>524151059Decrees don't recreate reality, you sound like some useless middle manager who thinks they achieve anything at all.
>>524146291I would say that this same law should be adopted here in Canada, But who am I kidding. Our government gives out citizenships like candy to basically anyone who applies. So "illegals" wouldn't be the right word for our situation, rather government approved parasites that breed like rabbits, and then their children hold Canadian citizenship as well.
>>524152328You're copingICE has already been funded to accomplish this task and their funding will be doubled next year. ICE got so much funding this year that it became the largest law enforcement agency in the nation overnight. You can't stop it.
HABEAS CORPUS WILL BE SUSPENDEDTHE INSURRECTION ACT OF 1807 INVOKEDCITIZENSHIP RETROACTIVELY REVOKED FROM CHILDREN OF ILLEGALS AND TEMPORARY VISA'Shttps://files.catbox.moe/8488rw.mp4
>>524146291birthright citizenship should be revoked RETROACTIVELY to the date when it was first fraudulently allowed to apply to any aliens or immigrants at all.
>>524149546>end of something that was irreparably harming the US>"HURR DURRR FELL FOR IT AGAIN XDDDD"
>>524146493>THIS WILL RETROACTIVELY ERASE CITIZENSHIP STATUS FOR ALL THOSE IN THE US BORN TO ILLEGALS OR TEMPORARY VISA HOLDERS GOING BACK TO 1860S WHEN THE 14TH WAS RATIFIED!>"surprise mother fucker"how many guineas will this affect?
>>524146493i don't speak faggot lawyer language but i'm guessing nothing will happen
>>524149469Now your asses are being kicked by an inferior civilization. KEK LOOK AT THE LITTLE MUTT COPING
>>524149227>never developed property rights>no cultural enforcement of personal property, or private property>claims land was stolenKTake it back then.
>>524149227go drink yourself to death, Chief Nevada of the GMC Sierra.
>>524147711how many people, do you think, might find out their great great grandasshole neglected to follow through with some paperwork and as a result 6th generation americans get deported back to ingerland? I could definitely see this getting hyper kiked like that
>>524153935Telling 10s of millions of people they aren't citizens anymore, when they been one for multiple generations is not going to happen. It'll cause civil war. The justices of the court are risking their lives if they made such a bad decision.
Good
>>524154210YOU.WONT.DO.SHIT
>>524154210In the Bush/Gore election case, SCOTUS already established that they can make a ruling that applies only one time to one case.
>>524153218>Superior civilization.Its that why you people are fleeing your failed state for The United States of America? Fuck you, fuck mexicans, kill all non-Americans. I bet you suck drug dealing dick to stay alive.
>>524152764This!
>>524154210smart people will use the setup used by the beltway sniper niggers and shoot "prominent" blue soft targets in the chest or skull like pic related. this also works well on leftist gatherings like marches or protests out in the open
>>524155323in GTA, of course.
>>524149138You won't do shit crackhead migger cope lmao. Oh and Europe doesn't want your ugly mutt face there too so kys or go and make your new le white protestant settlement somewhere in Africa faggot.
>>524151559You are 100% correct. They lied cheated and stole their way into the country. mexicans are not American and will happily tell you that themselves.
Chaos for nothing
>>524154210maybe but thats entirely ignoring how evil and devious kikes are.
>>524146291>nigs can fly over here and calve and their children are Americans The fact that this is even a debate shows you how over this shit hole is.
>>524149331That's.... That's... That is literally what happened
>>524151694which is about to get shit canned. its a foregone conclusion, the only question is if people are paying attention enough to prevent some ultimate kikery from twisting it to mean most americans have to be deported, except jeets.
>>524149331>skin women and children alive>why are you genociding me!!1!?
>>524149292Lol what? No they fucking can't, not on their own, not without 3/4s of the states ratifying it. Only a constitutional convention convened with 2/3s of the states have voted for it can there be a constitutional amendment
>>524156339Finally an anon who has read Article V of the US Constitution
>>524151736You are incorrect. illegals, visa holders and their children are not Americans. Period. You are either American or you are not.
>>524156420The ignorance always on display is stupifyingIt makes me feel like a chynaman in Africa
>>524147711If you don’t fight in the military you are not an American actually sweatyheart
>>524156339>No they fucking can'tYes they can lol. You just stated that they can. Get your shit together.
>>524156517Good luck getting 38 states to agree that the children of illegals are US Citizens.
>>524156517>Not without 3/4 of the state legislatures ratifying itSee this is exactly what I am talking about here>>524156503
>>524156595>>524156509Listen you shit mumbling mother fuckers. You are either American or not American. There is no in-between. Eat shit and die.
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If the court rules in favor of Trump’s arguement it will create a logistical nightmare. He'd probably use it to declare free reign on deporting loads of illegals but he would also bitch out and work out some sort of amnesty like Reagan. Some how everyone will end up unhappy.
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>>524157582>eat shitSorry, not a jeet. Why are you so mad? You’re like a rebel without a cause. I actually agree with your politics but you sound like a psycho that needs to be jailed or psych warded.
>>524152775But it's not the end is it, retard. They will give them other pathways to the same result, while dangling this and other bait and switches in front of your nose while you have a big dumb grin on your face. The brown slaves aren't going anywhere, because if you wanted that, you would first have to kill every single kike in your country, and then imprison every single politician and likely their families too, for the rest of their lives, so that you could get rid of the brown slaves. You would likely also need to imprison most CEO, because they are also not just incidental jew servants, they are hand pick bioleninist golems whose biological imperative is philosemitism. They love jews. You could kill every jew and they would still try to serve them and their will. Hell they'd probably try to Jurassic Park jews just so they could serve them again. But you're not gonna do any of that, so nothing will change.
