Truth is, technogenic societies are detrimental to high birth rates. The technogenic society death spiral goes this way: a technology-based society is created through investment and research -> 5-7 of the most fertile years are needed to get an education to get a good position in a technogenic society -> all youth and midlife years are spent in maintaining a technogenic society -> you always need to adapt to changes and improve your skills to stay relevant in a technogenic society.Nigeria is a low-maintenance, low-time-investment society. It isn't sophisticated from a technological standpoint compared to South Korea. It means you don't need to spend fertile years on education. It means low cost of living. It means you spend your free time on your family, not doing retarded coding practice on LeetCode to get more skill for a better grade. Low-maintenance, low-time-investment society basically makes room for high birth rates.All technogenic societies will simply die off, like Japan or South Korea. It's inevitable.
>>524153718>behavioral sink.Yeah.
It's possible to create the conditions where members of such societies could also have kids, but it requires social reorganization along collective lines and material redistribution that liberalism is allergic to
>>524153718Why are Asians even worse birth rates than whites? Less than 1.00 births per woman is insane
>>524153844It has nothing to do with a behavioral sink. Rat utopia collapsed from overpopulation. South Korea isn't overpopulating; the population is getting smaller and smaller due to the fact that the overbearing need to maintain a technological society makes it impossible to have kids.
>>524153988South Korea is literally a feminist anti-male shithole. Korean women even invented 4B movement that states the need to completely ignore men in all spaces. No sex, no dating, no giving birth.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4B_movement
>>524153960>It's possible to create the conditions where members of such societies could also have kidsIn a technogenic society? No. It's impossible. There is a negative correlation between the amount of technology used by a group and birth rates. American Amish groups have different birthrates: Swartzentrubers basically use no post-1920 technology and have a staggering 10 kids per woman. New Order Amish groups use some technologies, and their birth rate is twice as low.
>>524154390That doesn't contradict my point
>>524153718Korea is a hellish society to live in (Poland too and most western nations nowadays) people just realize bringing people there would meant unnecessary suffering
>>524153718>Low-maintenance, low-time-investment society basically makes room for high birth rates.And a side of misery. You wouldn't move to Nigeria.
>>524153960>it requires social reorganization along collective linesI was talking to a Korean friend who was telling me about his time in the service, he said that at first he didn't want to go like most of the guys his age but once he got out he missed the comradery that he had with the guys in the service.I think if the men should be conscripted, then the women should be asked to join some kind of maternal retreat when they're taught homemaking skills and given small children to look after.
>>524153718You don't need a high birthrate anymore once AI takes over. AI can do all the work and take care of the elderly.
>>524155304>You wouldn't move to Nigeria.I wouldn't. Because comfort is one hella of a drug, maybe even stronger than fent. It still doesn't disprove my point, because that's why people choose to maintain technogenic society: you get the comfort in short term. In long term it leads towards extinction through low birth rates.>>524155182>people just realize bringing people there would meant unnecessary sufferingWhy people are worried about 'bringing suffering'? Because living in a technogenic society requires high-maintenance, high-time-investment existence.
>>524153718Maybe AI can fix it?What's the point of updating skills and learning when AI can just learn better than you and update its skills via a patch?
>>524153718Less koreans, but the average korean is highly educated and posses a lot more material riches. Will also live longer and better.Their society works as a filter to higher quality humans (in a sense).You can't have a lot of high quality humans, since we just don't have the resources. So, in order to have a civilization with higher quality of life, you must also have less people in it.
>>524155632You are basically saying that AI will cause slow human extinction because people are not needed to maintain the system and are replacable.
>>524153718The future hell they are building for themselvesThe future of robots that will work the machines
>>524153718>everything is expensive and costs a ton of money>would you rather have another money sink for 18-22 years or go on vacation
South Korea has a low birth rate because they banned porn 20 years ago and have been ruled by a literal feminist cult since the 1990s from the shadows. They only recently found out about the silent coup that destroyed their nation but it's too little, too late. Gender relations are irreparably destroyed in South Korea and masculinity is totally subverted.
>>524155814>Less koreans, but the average korean is highly educated and posses a lot more material riches. Will also live longer and better.That system will exist for 40-50 years at max, until the need to maintain large amount elderly will break the camel's back. Yeah, now they are enjoying good quality of life at the expense of birth rate, but their future will be either slow capture of critical infrastructure by brown migrants (they are imported to maintain the system, but their kids and grandkids will get position of power) or through simple extinction.>So, in order to have a civilization with higher quality of life, you must also have less people in it.Yeah, but birth rates aren't stabilizing. They are just going down and down with no sign of slowing down.
>>524155841I never said that. I just said now that AI and robotics has been invented and since it will improve in the near future there is no frantic haste need for us to increase our population. Populations grow and shrink and alternate between those two states. Populations sizes fluctuate over the decades and centuries. As long as you apply the right constraints to AI, you wont get a Terminator movie scenario. Humans should put the proper constraints on AI because if we don't AI will apply to itself its own constraints and that could become unpredictable and the AI come become unaligned with human interests.
>>524156206Basically what I said. Korea is a country of high cost of living, Nigeria is a contry of low cost of living. In the long term, low cost of living countries will fill all demographic niches on the planet through high birth rates.
>>524155647On top of the fact that having a kid is an unnecessary and very expensive burden you are also aware of the upcoming AI surveillance state
>>524156335>Yeah, but birth rates aren't stabilizing. They are just going down and down with no sign of slowing down.I guess economy is broken, and our ideal way of life is unustainable. I don't think these countries will slow down to the point of extinction, maybe it is just a process of evening out. Even so, last time the birth rates exploded it was after a global period of war and famishes. Maybe we're just in the bad end of the cycle.
>>524156312Japan consumes the most porn and they still have very low birth rates
>>524153718Eventually there will be a restructuring of society under a post-scarcity framework where the order of life is switched around.For now it's>Age 0-20: Go to school>Age 20-40: Work>Age 40-60: Raise kids>Age 60-80: Retirebut in the future it will be>Age 0-20: Retire>Age 20-40: Raise kids>Age 40-60: Work>Age 60-80: Go to school
>>524158506At last I truly see
