LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I'm sure this will fix the inflationary issues we're having.
>>524160401>no gold plated superstructure this seems fake
>>524160401>Zumwalt class>Littoral Combat Ships>DDG(X)>Constellation class>CG(X)It's all so tiresome.
why dont we build tiny ships instead but with the same missiles and stuff, in the event of a war instead of risking everything on one big ship you can spread out the fleet and it will be much harder to hit say 10 small ships vs 1 big un
>>524160736because then they wouldnt be the biggest and that would hurt poor zion don's ego
>>524160401Man this is getting a little ridiculous
>>524160736seems like a lot of work and less profit, I don't think the shareholders would approve.
The Trump-class should really be more like a Treasure Ship, like a big fat Spanish galleon that waddles around the world collecting trinkets and barrels of oil.
>>524160401>a railgun>with a gas powered generatorTrump is so fucking gay its unreal
>>524160401Very cool
>>524160736>of risking everything on one big shipBecause the only effective way for risk to be mitigated is by having overlapping countermeasures. Which take space.
>>524160479Bronze and brass are terrible with seawater. There's a reason we use paint.
>>524160401All sitting yellow duckies in the water. Satellites and hypersonic glide vehicles will make the carrier deck and hulls of those ships swiss cheese. Navy semen will frantically watch their harriers, ospreys, and f35 version 3 all slide off the deck before they can finish their VTOL sequence. What happened with protecting Israel? Because Houthis challenged and you were sustaining damage. So you want to bully another country that has less to defend and use the cull of the drug wars for the reasoning.
>>524161344gold on the other hand is amazing. it's time for a gold trim priced military project with actual gold trim. just think of the value.
>cancelled in 2029 because there's not enough shipyards to build these and they're overly expensive
>>524160401how is this powered?
>>524160401Israel will sink it and drumpf will blame Iran.
>>524161363cope, you can't even make that level of tonnage much less hit it. hashem, indra, and allah tongue my balls
>>524161425pure AI power.
>>524160479AND IM PROUD TO BE A MIGAPEDE
>>524161425mexican immigrants. this is were Trump is really sending them
>>524161363>hypersonic glide vehiclesWould be easily intercepted by onboard countermeasures. The only demonstrated benefit they have is to minimize effective interception range.
>>524160401bomb, baby, bomb?
>>524161363pussies
>>524160736>Lets manage the logistics of 10 ships instead of 1>lets split command and control and ewar amongst ten shipsIt's not cheaper to just make more little things, generally
>>524160401>railgunyeah they're never building this shit
>>524161363Literally this. Amerifat government is stuck in 1945. Aircraft carriers are mean jack shit against any enemy that has even somewhat advanced weapons. Look at Ukraine vs Russia.
>>524160736Carriers are hard as fuck to destroy. The US Navy tried to sink an older carrier from like the 'nam era and sat there hammering it with everything they had for 26 days before it finally sank.These massive ships are basically floating impenetrable fortresses. The polar opposite of OP's rectum.
>>524160401Good thing it will never be built. ZOG needs to die.
>>524161531quack quack. seethe.>Theme Song: All of the Lighte - Kanye West
>>524161619>Look at Ukraine vs Russia.Russia's Navy wasn't modernized, they had one floating wreck of a carrier and the only ship that was considered modernized was a clusterfuck of poor engineering.
That corny ass CG render
>>524161425Bunch of guys rowing with another guy beating a kettle drum.
>>524161644Yeah I’m sure they were using their best ordinance and I’m sure this isn’t complete and utter retarded boomer lore. Christ you niggers are so stupid.
>>524160479It’s got a hooked nose though
>>524160401this vessel will be mostly useless.
>>524161704>quack quack. seethe.The missiles strikes on Israel proved my point. It reduces the range that interceptors can cover, it doesn't bypass them.
>>524160401imagine.
>Epstein Class Destroyers
>>524160736The expenses like the other guy said, but also reliability on the high seas and carrying capacity - the square foot rule is in play here, double the length and you 8x the displacement while only 4xing the surface of the ship that you have to maintain to be waterproof.And there's a limit to how fast a small ship can go at sea, whereas a larger ship can have a higher hull speed.And a larger ship can stay at sea for longer, carry more of its own supplies, and carry more men - those men can have helicopters, jets, tanks, can be paratroops, can load said ship up with drones if you really wanted to.>>524161644This. There actually is only one glaring flaw in the big ships, particularly carriers, the elevator. That's why they keep all those planes on the deck at all times, so even if the elevator is taken out they can still destroy anything around them and ensure the ship's safety.>>524161775>Multiple feet of steel and cupronickel arranged to survive as many shots as possible>DUDE I would sink that ezpz just hit it with a missile or something!
>>524161775You're so right. The naval fleet is just a bunch of rust buckets that lose to sand niggers and we can never win a war ever.
>>524161473The Houthis hit the Truman twice, retard. That's why it retreated. Even the countries that can build carriers, don't anymore. They are a dead end.
>>524161594Its already operational. The Japanese have a fully deployed production model.
>>524161363ICBMS and hypersonics each cost as much as a space ship and we track all of them.
>>52416040140000 tons for two 5 inch guns and a meme railgun?Why?
>>524162102>The Japanesenow look at the american railgun system.
>>524162091>The Houthis hit the Truman twiceThey didn't. The Truman has a crew size of 6000 people, do you actually think if it was hit there wouldn't be one of them saying it was?
>>524162147..........Wut? It is joint tech. Obviously it is designed to deal with China's small boat zerg rush strategy so it makes sense to have initial production and testing take place where its needed.
>>524160401>sinks your Dump Class battleship at 1/20th the cost you took to build itHeh, nothin personelle, kid.
>>524160401I guarantee they design it with some critical failure because the nerd who pointed it out was fired
>>524161720I'm dyingI'm dying and you killed me anonFuck you anon
>>524160401*yawn*Israel already gave China the blueprints months ago
It actually is amazing how many /pol/tards still don't understand why basically every shipping company and navy in the world is making boats bigger, it's because they're exponentially more efficient than smaller ones.Like even discussing any of this on here is useless because this place is full of contrarian redditors who know nothing about the topic, on every single topic.
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>>524161500The man is 100% nigger
>>524162131Each railgun can provide nearly instant indirect fire over a 31,000+ square mile circle. They are the world's most advanced artillery platforms. The entire south china sea can be covered with only 45 ships. That rail gun is the equivalent of gifting the manhattan project to participating nations. The rest of the ship exists just to move it around.
>>524162299You can see the critical design failure in the picture. It has no rear firing weapons, and the anti missile lasers are on the sides which make the fore and aft a blind spot to be hit by missiles.
>>524161363houthis didn't do shit. Israel has wiped out almost all of Iran's proxy militia's single handedly and yet still some kind of COPE that they are powerful
>>524161363Holy shit, only a mega retard thinks in terms of only naval fighting at coasts. You must be a MEGA retard to think hypersonic missiles pose a threat when theyve already been shot down several time in ukraine by subpar old ass 90s weapon systems. Go to sleep little guy, the big dogs are talking
>>524160401lmao imagine the fucking lasers ripping through drug boats.
is zion don compensating for something?
>>524162516And the poop deck is positioned directly over the bridge, so the captain is going to get bombs dropped on him all day.>Graphics are for normies.
>>524161569Muhammad fucks children
>>524162203Yeah, because some jackoff faggot seaman is going to risk a black bag military tribunal with potential treason charges all for retards like you to call them a liar anyway. Everyone with two braincells to rub together already knows how far behind the US is militarily.
>>524162516>and the anti missile lasers are on the sides which make the fore and aft a blind spot to be hit by missiles.You know ships can turn right?
>lasers>railgun>DIESEL engineSomething doesn't add up in this latest boondoggle...
>>524162127>ICBMI am talking about hypersonic glide vehicles that do zig zags Timmy. Just get in the sardine can and die for Israel
>>524162661Propulsion is different that onboard generation. Again this is common sense.
>>524161363>Navy semen
>>524162633>black bag military tribunalThe Navy has prosecuted Chinese spies and they've gotten less than 3 years for active espionage. No one is scared they'll get in trouble for saying no no things about their service.
This has billions over budget, son on board of directors, and retired without ever seeing a battle written all over it.
>>524162614Yes he does and? lmao fuckin seethe
>>524162667When you're speaking english the word "and" means you're referring to multiple things at once.
>>524160477Maybe. But then the next democrat president will just rename them back again and boom, your problems are back. Just like that.
>>524161425AI.
>>524162667>hypersonic glide vehicles that do zig zagWhich is still irrelevant when your target has layered AD measures.
>>524160401/pol cannot into warfare. The amount of retardation that comes out of here is unfathomable.
>>524162644Yeah 40000 ton battleships running on bunker fuel probably turn on a dime.
>>524160401not impressive until the first female U.S. President is sworn in. Just a faggot acting Arab because his nation learn to collectivize being molested on learning to read & write. >Cali, not liberalCali is top 3 State in military building while they fish for blowjobs.
>>524162753My queen teaches me ebonics. Soon Yair
>>524162661>Putting nuclear in something designed to go into harms wayNo, diesel makes sense
>>524162819>probably turn on a dime.Yes, they are usually very good at making big arcing turns. The ship doesn't need to be stationary to fire.
>>524161425'railgun' on the flashseat LOL
>>524162779You speak like you have Command and Conquer Red Alert force shields. Just fuckin seethe and suck jewish cock. webm related.
>>524160401Can't wait for the Epstein class submarines.
>>524161425Pelvic thrust
>>524160401>only 128 VLS missilesdead on arrivalturrets, guns and railguns dont shoot down hypersonics
>>524161425Freshly mined west virginian coal, the stokers in their gold overalls will be able to roll coal when they need a smoke screen.
>>524163025>You speak like you have Command and Conquer Red Alert force shields.No I'm speaking like they can shoot threats that are approaching them.
>>524160401>2025>880ft BATTLESHIP>Bigger than Yamatowhat the..
Shartyniggers should be banned on sight for lowering the quality of discussion jesus fucking christ
>>524161425Gas Turbine and Diesel. 30 kts
>>524163062They actually can.
>>524163062>turrets, guns and railguns dont shoot down hypersonics2 RAM launchers.
>>524161363these are just gifts to donors. they are completely useless in modern warfare.
>>524163284>RAMonly suitable for shooting down slow moving drones and other iranian aircraft
>>524163184Its going to be kino Trump class. Make battleships and flagships great again!>>524163188Trvke
>>524163188Yup.
>>524161239thisimagine being a nuclear powerand not making your state of the art flagship nuclear poweredespecially considering it got a railgun that suck up energy
>>524163235How many can they shoot down at once? If I was defending myself I wouldnt pew pew one at a time. I would zergling rush you with level 3 carapace and a legion of HGV. It will literally render your flight deck useless and limping back to closest port with all your firepowah below deck with non operating lifts.
>>524163427Anon do you think the missiles comically shoot past the target, turn 180 degrees then start chasing it?
>>524163483>How many can they shoot down at once?How many could the other 10 ships nearby this one shoot down?
>>524163483>I would zergling rush you with level 3 carapace and a legion of HGV.Carrier strike group.
>>524160401America is black baby momma.
>>524160401>RailgunUhhhhhh is anybody going to tell our government that we don't yet have the portable energy source needed for the railgun to function as intended?The Battleship would have to be powered by a nuclear reactor for the results they're looking for with a rail gun.This is Adolf Hitler's "Supertank" vehicle concept all over again. Doomed to fail.
>>524162661be funnier if the wind dragged him into the fire
>>524163536Or the carrier's aircraft.
>>524161720JAG here. Nightmare fuel.
Im going to laugh when a $10 chinese sea drone sinks it
>>524163405Thank you. Some type of intelligence here. I am trying to be realistic>no youand all the butt hurt attacks and seething. Thanks for being honest. All you over navy semen are getting your shit pushed in pressurized.
>>524160736>>524161125Accurate>>524160700This, in ten years (if it makes it that long) we'll be talking about this project the exact same way even the /k/unts have to discuss the Zumwalts now. All these fancy new fun ideas they jerk off to and in the end it will amount to little more than state-sanctioned corruption.
>>524160401..it's gonna need a nuclear reactor for those lasers and rail gun
>>524163499ram is for shooting drone planes and drone ships you fucking retard>Mutts admitting all air defense bar SM-6 is unequipped for hypersonics interception>https://www.diacc.ae/journal/the-imperishable-dome-redefining-next-generation-air-defence-in-the-hypersonic-age/show?utm_source=chatgpt.com
>>524160401Boat looks like he would rape children, checks out.
>>524161804Probably effective against South Americans
>>524163622Nuclear reactors on ships is not unheard of. We have nuclear subs.
>>524161644Next time use a hypersonic missile coming hot at 90 degrees straight to the nuclear core in the center of the carrier and watch the magic work with less than 10 missiles.
>>524161804Efficient at stealing public funds though.
>tds havers are now experts in cutting edge military procurementyou bunch of softcocks don't know jack
>>524162504Railguns are like fusion, always ten years away.
>>524163783>Dr. Hamad Al Kaabi, HALCON, UAE
>>524163951actually you made a recent breakthrough on you joint project with the japsyou should knowrailguns are viable nowon a nuclear powered ship at least
>>524160401>no counter drone carrier sub sub capability (helos die to drone spam)>nice lazers (attacks in foggy rainy weather + drone spam drains the battery)at least it has a railgun and is cheaper than a carrier
>>524160401how long till the japs/chinks/gooks make it a big tittied anime girl?
>>524163665This thread is gay so I present an opportunityMr JAG would you kindly greentext a make believe story in which you are the lawyer for private brownpants who somehow found himself in command of aforementioned carrier?It would be very very funny
>>524160401>gas and diesel powered Holy fuck we are so backCLEAN EFFICIENTBLACK GOLD BABY!Commie faggots seething
>>524164121>no counter drone carrier sub sub capabilityThe two lazers.
>>524160401HUGE!!! Needs 25 inch cannons!!!Needs 80,000 tons of South Korean Steel!Needs 100000 H1B Visas, because Americans are too stupid to do anything!!!HUGE! Golden Fleet!!! TRUMP CLASS GOLDEN BATTLESHIPS!!!!
>>524160401Does it rape children?
>>524163897Do it, then. Oh wait, nobody's managed to make it happen.
>>524164094I've been hearing about railgun breakthroughs for literally 15 years.
>>524160401If I could make a recommendation>expand the flight deck for a single squad of vtol interceptors able to provide quick react air supportOtherwise, a very sane battleship proposal, not much to say other than good idea
>>524164234>The two [side mounted] lazers.> no 360 coverflies from fore and or stern directions1970s soviet subs are faster btw K-222
>>524163897muh nuclear core is invincible to attacks
>>524164425>flies from fore and or stern directionsThe ship can turn anon.
>>524163896Yes, but Nuclear Submarines have the leeway of being at great depth under water for the nuclear reactor to remain stable.The water pressure is used to help regulate the reactor. The Sea is also used to cool the reactor, which in lower depths is much cooler.Submarines are also graced with the design of being neigh impossible to locate or track.A Battleship like the one proposed here has almost none of these perks.It would essentially have to run on cold fusion and we don't have that yet.
>>524162525Floaty boats are as obsolete as pew-pew thingy-dingy throwers. Your magnet slingshot on a barge is a retarded waste of money.
>>524164535They didnt pull it back because it was damaged, they pulled it back because if something did happen to it, it would be a PR nightmare for the entire military
>>524164506shit orange nigger design gimp your response time with 30 kt 35 thousand tons
>>524164527>which in lower depths is much cooler.It isn't. It's like 0-4 degree Celsius.
>>524161818Cant catch them all. Pokemon
>>524164620Anon... Do you think they have some kid in the crow's nest yelling down drones on the horizon?
>>524164683it wpuld be radar and image classification alerting a heavy slow ship to try to turn before responding
>>524164121>has a railgun >and is cheaper thanPick only one. The zumwalt cost $3,000,000 of pre-covid money to fire a single shot, and I haven't heard of any great advancement in railgun technology since. Or maybe they're gonna make the ammo out of silver instead of tungsten and that's why they're pricing the average joe out of it now lol.
I mean the angles on the lasers could definitely be better, but the entire problem could also be solved with a third laser near the flight deck, and really it will be in a fleet of other ships so the angles are mostly adequate
LET GOOO
Did the Russo-Ukraine war not teach the military anything? Sending 10,000 drones to destroy this would still be magnitudes cheaper and more cost effective as it would only take a single drone.
>>524164770Right. And radar would give more than a few minutes notice of a swarm of drones.
>>524164321Here is a hypothetical for you:You are in command of a position approximately 100 miles from an overwhelmingly powerful opponent. You are separated by water and know that their attack must come from a single cardinal direction. This attack will be nearly impossible to stop if you are unable to destroy your enemy in their initial deployment phase. There is no gurantee of continued logistics support if your enemy succeeds in launching their attack. You have the ability to request a single superweapon system from your allies. You cannot use nuclear weapons or other wmd's. You cannot use any weapon system which requires exogenous command protocols.>What weapon do you request?
>>524164780A tomahawk is 8,000,000 last I checked
>>524164628Incorrect.I'm and ocean thermotologist.I would know.
>>524164527Even ai diarrhea is better than this shit
>>524164842the point of drone carrier sub wolfpacks is to launch drone swarms while submerged and close enough to overwhelm>sir the radar has detected boguies half a mle from us... ack
>>524162916read again. things gonna carry 140 nuclear missiles. KEK
>>524164874>I'm and ocean thermotologistWhat's the ocean's temperature at 800 ft? Fuck, what's the temperature at the bottom of Mariana's trench?
China can build like 5,000 of them before we can build one.
>>524164580And force another fucking land war in the middle east just so netanyahu can fuck around with his expense budget for another year.
>>524160401when i heard about this, i thought it was going to be some yamato class ships with gold plating all aroundAnd then i see that isthis shitty frigate lmao
>>524164867Shit ton of mines to lay on their approach path, of course.
>>524164951>half a mle from usThen the submersible drone carrier is fucked by submarine countermeasures.
>>524162287the fun thing about this is that everything about it comes from chink press releases!china number one!
>>524160401>trump classcringe, whats the actual cost? And how would it defend against pic related?
>>524160401That's a destroyer ship, one of many mass-produced. That is not a battleship.
>>524164867Rods from god>Mfw I spent a while thinking of a non-railgun answer>>524164985I'm not here for your gay propaganda shilling eglintard, you will never ever EVER get to touch a jet
>>524160477kek
>>524165026>how would it defend against pic related?Sail out of operational range if detected early, use the lazera to cook them off if they get close.
>>524165005>submarine countermeasures.which? one helo per 35 thousand ton orange nigger ship10 1 thousand ton drone subs win, might as well ignore helos and let them land at sea
>>524165004Mission failed. Try again.
>>524161427ooof
>>524164959That's a trick question.You don't measure depth by fett but by fathoms.And the "deepest part" part of Mariana's Trench is not called "Mariana's Trench" but instead "Challengers Deep".Nice try.
>>524165054Exogenous command system. Mission failed. Try again.>I have been in blackbirds.
>>524160736I thought having more, smaller boats rather than fewer large ones was the strat the US navy is going for. So yeah, they're already starting to do that.>>524161644That's such bs, no fucking ship could stand up to a full power barrage of ordinance for that long, not doing manouvres, not fighting back. It's not the fucking starship Enterprise, it doesn't have shields. Any ship is as good as floating scrap if it's not actively trying to survive a battle. This is like the ship equivelant of people who think plate armour made people invinsible.
>>524165098>which? Sea Hunters. The Navy's dedicated anti submarine craft.
>>524160401I thought the navy pulled the pin on railguns because they cost like 6 million dollars per shot? For some reason the japs are still pursuing them.
>>524162551you could not sound more like a butthurt glownigger if you tried
>>524165154And the temperature there is?
>>524165111No u
>>524164987>frigate It will literally be almost 100 meters longer than the current largest destroyer in the world (Zumwalt).
>>524160401>One main battery >Railgun>2 secondaries >Lots of guided missiles >Electronic and lasers counter defensesWhat kind of ship is that? What's the advantage of railgun? Are they even is service and practical? I thought the advantage was the heavy AP potential but it's not like there is a Bismark to sink.
>>524165211They pulled the plug because they couldn't get the rails to not melt and bend after a couple shots, but apparently the nips managed to make it last a few hundred.But you need a nuclear reactor to power those badboys tho, diesel turbines ain't going to cut it.
>>524160401This stuff is only cool for obliterating third world/drug cartel Military. I'd we want to warn with a serious country, then it would only result in nuclear war. So this technology isn't that impressive.
>>524160700Almost like there is an effort to destroy this country from within.
>>524165219Please concede.
>>524160477Remember the tariffs were always going to be fucked in the short term so you could have better long term outcomes.
>>524161425Powered by Deals
>>524165244My personal recommendation was a nuclear powered rail gun capable of firing 600 rpm over 100 miles, with a quick change gatling style barrel system, built into bedrock turrets, firing a variety of shells capable of destroying entire ports in a single burst.>If you can think of any other options, which comply with the grade school tier qualifications I posted above, feel free to post them.
>>524165341>Please concedeThe temperature at the bottom of the Challenger Deep in the Mariana Trench ranges from approximately 1 to 4 °C (34 to 39 °F).
>>524165318The ratchet effect is, in reality, between reactionary Republicans and do-nothing (conservative) Democrats. The overton window of US politics is shifting to the right due to the inaction of Democrats.
>>524161644Torpedo under the keel will do it
>>524165026AI auto turret systems
>>524165305>But you need a nuclear reactor to power those badboys tho, diesel turbines ain't going to cut it.There's no reason you can't power it with diesel it just takes more space than nuclear
>>524165284The railgun allows a single ship to provide convoy support across tens of thousands of square miles instantly. Not to mention an extraordinary weapon for deterrence.
>>524165311>If we went into real WW3 with a nuclear power, we'd destroy the world, which is why nobody has done it yet. >That's why we should be designing weapons for that war, instead of for bullying the thirdies who live over our oil.Are you stupid or something?
>>524160401In the age of drones this piece of shit is just a sitting target waiting to be sunk
>>524165311Its perfect for dealing with poorly behaving captains or stopping entire fleets from ever setting sail.
>>524165162Alright>Non nuclearNo long toms? in a true all out war long toms would be a superior weapon system for the jobThere isn't really a better answer than railgun without going nuclear, a missile strike or air strike could be intercepted, artillery on its own struggles to reach out that far and will be limited in the scope of damage by the quantity amassedIf the attack must come from a specific direction I suppose sea mines are an option for defense?Sorry, I'm high as fuck and just having fun thinking about it at this point
>>524160401
>>524165488The only modern craft to be sunk by drones was because the Russians were too retarded to operate telecommunications and radar at the same time.
>>524165414>a nuclear powered rail gun capable of firing 600 rpmWhy not a death star, since sci-fi magic is apparently on the table?
>>524162746Funny how the zutt memes disappeared the moment it became public that Trump blew Bubba.
>>524160401>$50 billion and 10 years to construct>defenseless vs $5k underwater dronethis is just another grift
>>524161569grok is this true?
>>524160401>MJ railgun
>>524165054Rods from god are psued. Brainlets think it's possible to just drop a tungsten telephone pole down on something from orbit without any understanding of how such a system would really work.
>>524165519Sea mines are extremely ineffective and represent a harassment option more than anything. A column can pass through a minefield with minimal preparation. They also fail to satisfy the core criterion that any attack cannot be allowed to develop past mainland deployments.Its a fun thought exercise. The answer is obviously extremely long range artillery. Which brings us back to the taipei maginot solution using robotics and entrenchments to prevent any attack from being developed - or anything larger than a sea gull from moving without permission.>Creating conditions which force diplomacy is infinitely preferable to fighting irl.
>>524165753There's a video of it being used against some factories in China a few years backAlso fun fact Russia fucked up all our GPS satellites a few years back (fried like 60% of them from what I can tell) and everyones GPS is now slightly fucky
>>524163053LMAO
>>524160401This is so fucking retarded, literally the opposite of what we need in a future conflict dominated by drone swarms.
>>524161420>>cancelled in 2029 because there's not enough shipyards to build these and they're overly expensiveI said it back under Clinton; The US is going to pay the Chicoms to build the weapons the US will use to fight the Chicoms in WWIII.
>>524165815China will probably attack Taiwan either way, even with extreme losses, they're not exactly being rational about the issue, personally I find it kind of irrational that we are allowing chip manufacture to relocate to Taiwan, being that if China were to accept the casualties it would probably succeed in taking the island
>>524165831>There's a video of it being used against some factories in China a few years backImpossible. RFG simply doesn't work the way you think it would. For starters the rod wouldn't come straight down, it would be going sideways at like 15,000mph.
>>524165482>Advantageous range of a railgunBut this ship is equipped with so many missile batteries, those are the long range, safe engagement weapons. One or two gun batteries would make more sense, it can shoot HE, blanks, warning shots and provide coastal artillery support.I'm not sure if the us navy has kinetically engaged something bigger than a trawler in the past 40 years, that railgun seems overkill unless it needs to engage something similar.
>>524165576Well the japs are probably the most likely candidates for some sort of future death star project. Lord knows it will be higher quality than the corresponding GM death hulk which relies on diversity to engage its warp drive.>And yet they have managed that exact specification. Including a miniaturized version (minus the gatling system) for ships. So, its not magic, its delissio.
>>524161644>The polar opposite of OP's rectum.Lmao
>>524162203The Truman didn't just flee the Red Sea off the coast of Yemen, they ran all the way back to Newport News, posting 2 year old photos on their twitter account to show that everything was copacetic.Very sad. This is what happens when stupid corrupt dipshits get in charge of things.
>>524160736Wow I’m sure not one of the thousand engineers behind this multi-billion dollar initiative had considered that
>>524165815Also, mines havent evolved for a century, imagine how easy it would be to put a propeller on a mine driven by AI and given a list of acceptable targets
>>524165945They will have their entire military mulched before their feet even get wet. Its simply impossible to overcome this tactical situation. No matter how powerful the ccp control mechanisms are, a million men dead in a morning and every port along their coast destroyed, is the end of the world for them. Their only option is to use the little green men strategy, but that is defeated with proper convoy protection.
>>524161500How do you follow this act? The next president will have to have nudes at the very least.
orange nigger distraction to his goycattle nigger cult #9001
>>524162667$100,000.00 for a hypersonic missile that $2 million dollar SAMs can't touch.
>>524166020and yet the answer is "because bigger = better psychologically" that really says something about our society
>>524162374They want everything smaller because of muh Ukrainian drones.
>>524160401Cool. Another ego driven money sink. Of course the most likely thing is that this will never actually happen. But, someone will definitely charge for them as if they really do exist. Just more grift for the bloated budget. Meanwhile the national debt grows larger. Unless he seriously fucks up, there probably one day will be a uss Trump carrier. You would assume that would be enough but we are talking about Trump after all. The man with no military experience whatsoever is going to have a class of ships named after him. Why? Just because.
>>524160401Expected price is $10-15 Billion EACH.
>>524165969Imagine you are a coast guard captain and you have to deal with a group of militarized ccp vessels refusing to comply. You can call in instant artillery fire on them if necessary. That is what convoy protection means. The missiles can be saved for more important jobs and the bad guys meet davy jones for a few hundred dollars in ammunition.>The rail gun provides policing overwatch or complete peer to peer overmatch. Its a spectacular system.
>>524164580>>524164535You have no idea what actually happened, but why do you think the US pulled out right after this? Connect the dots.
>>524166164That is an idealistic and incorrect analysis of an enemy quick to use first strikes with nuclear weapons, China will predict that by nuking Taiwan, the US will not respond with nuclear weapons worrying about a domestic hitChina is not at a stage where it can just be controlled, that was a long time ago, military hubris can be costly in lives and time will prove me correct as it always seems to; if China decides to take Taiwan they will, the verdict is out on who wins that war in the end but physically landing in and gaining control of Taiwan is something that is currently not possible to completely preventBeing that as it is, it seems so astronomically retarded to me to place a strategic asset like chip production there to the degree that it beggars belief
>>524166044Yes but underwater drones are light years ahead of that already. All of this tech and position is designed to prevent conflict by removing any possible victory condition. Ideally none of it will ever have to be used. There are ways to do things diplomatically, within a global consensus, that don't require world wars.
>>524160700the MIL needs constant welfare to keep their jobs-for-retired-officers job programs going
>>524166398I don't need to connect the dots, it's pretty much exactly as statedThe US lacked the capacity at the time and the planning necessary to protect shipping in the suez canal during that conflict without incurring risk, the hit both in capability and will surprised them and they didn't have an easy response, especially as drones are a new kind of warfare and present new risks and challenges in countering
>>524160401>drone carrier nuke sub >underwater drone screen to detect and explode infront of homing torpedoes (the only counter sub measure)>comms system designed to mimic noise and whale sounds relayed by drone screen>submarine to air launched drone swarmsthere navy is solved
>>524166464I like how you're spit balling all these ideas but man..... you dont seem to understand that China is ahead of the US on Robotics and Unmanned warfare in pretty much every front from the air to sea. They are by far ahead when it comes to drones of any kind. Anything "wonder" weapon the US can come up with the Chinese either already have something similar or can make a copy but have 1000x more produced in a matter of months.
>>524161531intercept my 500 drone swam!
I hope nuclear war breaks out before future naval battles become absolutely fake and gay, relying on real-time maritime surveillance via radar, drones, and reconnaissance satellite networks combined with long-range anti-ship missiles.
>>524166610>China is ahead of the US on Robotics and Unmanned warfareThey're not, the Chinese rely heavily on state sponsored propoganda to justify paying Norinco more than yhe open market charges for similar solutions.
>>524165193You're absolutely wrong. Battleships stopped being a thing because armor basically made those types of naval battles redundant.
>>524166757Pray to the gods and you'll get isekai'd somewhere with magic and cool shit when you die, this place is gay and is going to be a bit of a lesson for a certain kind of person
>>524160401looks chinese-made. Say it ain't so, mister president.
>>524166885Battleships stopped being a thing because they had minimal use in the cold war and became glorified AA platforms, as artillery is not really the best way to knock out a ship
>>524166872Feel free to post any US Drone ships that arnt pathetic in comparison.
>>524166400>US will not respond with nuclear weapons worrying about a domestic hitIncorrect. The US has a high degree of confidence in their decapitation ability. The Chinese are decades behind the Russians in nuclear weapons and strategy. They are not capable of a surprise first strike. It is one thing to have parity, its another to be able to effectively deploy them. If they use a nuclear weapon on Taiwan, the bulk of their existing forces will be immediately destroyed and an atmospheric umbrella will be dropped on them in a continuous bombardment until they surrender unconditionally. Under no circumstances will the US allow nuclear weapons to be used by anyone. It is an existential threat and will be met with total annihilation. The only reason we discuss this so casually is because the previous dynamic was Russia/US and they are considered rational actors due to historical de-confliction and de-escalation after false positives. In other words, despite their immunity to decapitation they operated professionally when systems malfunctioned. That investment in professionalism has matured into a profound strategic strength as people feel no shame in expressing both fear and respect for them. China launching a first strike removes Russia from the equation entirely and instead of a dispersed triad, they have a basic silo system and marginal other capabilities. The likelihood of a successful strike on CONUS is probably less than 5%.
>>524166987Exactly, it's a worse performing version of a Visby.
>>524160401It’s going to look good parked permanently outside the coast of Israel
>>524167059No point in talking to a fag with a Navy like this.
>>524166610They can do fancy light shows for tourists. We can deploy rail-machine-gun batteries capable of bombarding their entire coast and closing entire straits. There is a world of difference between solving technological problems and having the technology to solve precise strategic problems.
>>524167102Oh boo hoo, a woman cannot sail so you believe the little yellow man instead?
>>524166986Yes. Because of advancements in armor plating and the fact that these things have thousands of ways to seal off hull breeches.
>>524167163>We can deploy rail-machine-gun batteries capable of bombarding their entire coast May I see it?
>>524166999They were used by Russia just a month or so ago anonthis entire post is military hubris, and unless military leadership will actually listen to reason and not hubris, it's highly possible we lose the inevitable war with china.your head is in the clouds mateLike, half of our governers are already complicit with China diplomatically, most of our universities are, their manufacturing capability exceeds ours and their general capabilities are around 80% of ours, more than enough to compete at a peer levelNo, intel and ewar is not going to magically protect Taiwan, okinawa, guam etc from a nuclear first strike, when it happens logistics in the area is crippled and we rely on the support of nations that may simply say no, Taiwan isn't defeating the PRC air force without us supplying their equipment, and their navy doesn't have the means to counter chinese missiles while we spend weeks in reaction (because we have no spies in china either anymore, as they were all killed a few years ago)US leadership is a bunch of faggots who played football as a teen and think reality is their steroid fueled football ideas, there's so many things that could right this failure cascade but it seems to get fucking worse every year
>>524167311Sure, fly to Japan and ask them for a tour.
>>524167163>We can deploy rail-machine-gun batteries capable of bombarding their entire coast and closing entire straits.Lol its like you guys are boomers who still think the US could defeat China from sea and not expect the enemy to shoot back. News flash, the USN couldn't even do this against the Houthi's and lost.In 5 years, the PLAN will add another carrier to their fleet along with at least 2-3 dozen more modern destroyers with hypersonics to sink what 2-3 Bruke's we built in that same timeframe. Also its not we becasue Canada has no Navy either. The Chinese will take Taiwan and there's nothing in the world that will stop them. So when the President writes a strongly worded letter, everyone will just argue over the "what if" the USN actually fought.
>>524167397>They were used by Russia just a month or so ago
>>524167437>the USN couldn't even do this against the Houthi's and lost.Oh no, the Truman was sunk?
>>524163622>he doesn't know japan kept working on their railguns and solved a lot of these problemsTry keeping up, big brain wannabe.
>>524167473Did the Truman achieve its objectives or did the US government had to negotiate a truce with terrorists? That's weird, why is everyone still sailing around the Horn of Africa?
>>524167448>Seethe>Will pretend it didn't happen>Still wont consider changes that will prevent the further deterioration of our position in asiaDamn, that's crazy
>>524167536Nigger the presumption is built on their ability to hit and destroy supercarriers. Ot wasn't hit and it wasn't sunk.
>>5241673971. That was an ammo dump.2. Russia is a few months from total victory in Ukraine. Why on earth would they risk that?3. The rest of your post is meaningless rhetoric which doesn't address any of the information I have shared itt.4. If the CCP is smart they will pivot on the Taiwan issue to a 'one family, two houses' type of agreement and just let it cool off for a century.>The proof is in the pudding. Just wait and see.
>>524167557>Will pretend it didn't happenThat Russia used nukes last month?
>>524160401only 3 missiles at once...
>>524167589Yeah china isn't going to attack taiwan. All they need to do is outlast the declining USA who is behind anti-china politics in taiwan
>>524167437Taiwan is an island. Look at the map and consider what shore emplacements would accomplish from Japan down to Malacca. The CCP could steam their entire navy anywhere they want and their logistics train would still be under direct fire from shore batteries. They aren't suicidal.
>>524160736If you want to go into this direction, drones are probably what make the most sense.Accommodations for crew is too expensive for small ships. Problem with small ships is that you still pay for structural elements and all sorts of support systems even though it only gives you a small volume to work with. Whereas you get increasing "returns" for this overhead for bigger ships. Up to a point. It was determined about a century ago that very large ships weren't a good idea it seems. Carriers are a special case. Very small ships also seem to be a problem. It's hard to make small ships able to go into the high seas in bad weathers. Also hard to make them autonomous at range. Less redundancies, less fuel/ammos and spare parts.It's a problem with China's navy apparently, most of it wouldn't be able to operate at long range.Anyway, dunno what this Trump-class "battleship" is really going to be. It might be somewhat special-purpose and not to be built in large quantity. Maybe something that gets in after most of the naval threats have been dealt with to bring in heavy artillery (like before).If they have more room I'd think they would take advantage of it to make it a drone mothership of sorts, but they don't seem to be mentioning this anywhere.
>>524167582>Forced on the backfoot and retreats from the Red Sea after a close call with a Houthi attack>US government enters a truce with the Houthi's after acvhiving.... nothing.I guess we just lost 3 F-18's for nothing I guess. But you're so smart, what did we win then if we "won", can you show me the winnings?
>>524160401go from a 350m defense budget under obama up to a 1trillion dollar one and they name a ship class after you.
>>524167689You didn't win, but the carrier group wasn't damaged. It's called a diplomatic solution.
Mahan tounges my anus
>>524160736basically. these modern destoryer-carriers are just as much of a meme as the ww2 battleship and are just floating targets in any serious naval conflict because their logistics system cant even comprehend an equivalent tonnage in torpedo boats.
>>524167582And the potential retaliation options were viewed in light of the gazan apocalypse. Public opinion stops mattering as soon as normies lose their information flows. The Houthis actually made things measurably more difficult for the anti-netanyahu factions because they interfered in efforts to remove him from office entirely.
>>524167753So basically America experienced FAFO? Is that what you're telling me?
Even if things happen related to Taiwan, and even if the Chinese can make coastal maritime transport routes into sanctuaries using SAMs, GSMs, various drones, and an undeclared anti-submarine patrol network, the question remains: what exactly do they plan to do about the Strait of Malacca?
>>524167674Empires rise and fall. Most of the people fixated on these issues should just focus on getting laid and leave the big issues to the guys in suits. China has a role to play in taking us to the stars. But we will go collectively as free nations, not communist (with capitalist characteristics) slaves.
>>524162050>armour built to withstand 26 days of constant barrageCome on.
>>524167890Attack Thailand and genocide the Thai. Followed by reverse island hopping.
Possibly the gayest thread on the board tonight.
>>524160401we literally just need drones, lots and lots of drones of varying sizes and speeds. The ships just need to carry the drones, deploy them, then leave.
>>524160401HELL YEAHSUCK MY DICK "OBSTINANT DEFIANT DISORDER" BITCH PSYCHIATRISTOBSTINANCE AND DEFIANCE ARE VIRTUES
The increasing sophistication of anti-ship missiles (essentially more capable, larger kamikaze drones) and the necessity to enhance individual ship air defense capabilities, radar systems, or electronic countermeasures due to the drone revolution may actually make the idea of a certain type of arsenal ship replacing the role of aircraft carriers not such a bad one after all.
>>524160401These promo pictures look too much like the 80s-90s toy soldier packages, where you got a shitload of action on the box cover with ridiculously futuristic planes getting shot by missiletanks on aircraft carriers that have 15" naval guns.I seriously can't wait.
>>524160736Jews have no concept of 'less is more'
>>524160401>TRUMP CLASS BATTLESHIP!>35t displacementkek, thought this guy wanted a big boat
>>524168143Drones will work for a while but drone countermeasures are going to catch up quickly. The first anti-drone lasers haven't even been fully deployed yet. Once the countermeasures roll out, drones will get bigger and bigger to resist the countermeasures and this will cut into what made drones appealing (small and cheap) in the first place.
>28 cells at this point I'm certain trump works for China
>>52416904035kt is pretty big for a combat ship. What's bigger than that? The kirov?
>>524169180it's 25% heavier than a Kirov
>>524160401where's the jew dick sucking deck
>>52416918035t is the lower end of what is considered a "battleship"iowa class battleships are around 45t (55t+ laden) for reference
>>524169229The infographic is shit then. The ptoportions of the bridge vs the hull makes the ship look like half the size of a kirov
>>524161425E = mc^2 + AI It's called the future.
>>524165945China stopped giving a shit, they want the land the Russians squander.
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>>524162779At hypersonic speeds and hugging the ground a missile will take roughly five seconds to go from appearing on the horizon to impact. That's how much time you have to detect it, identify it, lock on to it, and disable it. A laser is the only thing fast enough to reliably hit it but it takes time to burn away at the missile, and a missile designed to move at hypersonic speeds at low altitude is almost certainly going to be covered in a heavy ablative coating just to survive moving through the atmosphere.
>>524161425Copium
>>524163622Are you seriously unaware that your own country's flagship carriers are nuclear-powered?
>>524164527How do you think our nuclear-powered carriers manage to work?
>>524163200ai already bought all those for years. the only think left is portable medium turbines cause they got a fast turn around of 1-2 years.
>>524169959>>524170050It would be awkward if they started putting reactors in surface combat ships after spending the last 40 years criticizing russia for doing it.
>>524162551Back to your containment board please.
>>524161720This image brings me to fucking tears every time I see it. Brings me right back to Battlefield 2.
>>524161712And Ukraine isn't China or Russia.Also, what does it matter how modernized the ship is, it's still slow and defenseless.
>>524169774Probably, the only way to counter that reliably is to establish a low-orbit early warning satellite network to detect launches and their maneuvering trajectories beyond the horizon.It's expensive, but since it can be built using existing tactical ballistic missile and warhead technology, it's already quite troublesome even at this stage.
>>524169105how are lazers real just add a mirror
>>524161425There's a big fan.
>>524160736The Ukrainians are doing exactly that. and it works but only on their territorial waters. Small ships have little to no range.
>>524170122The Russians demonstrated genius in their mental gimmicks to counter US aircraft carriers and were simply too far ahead of their time for the technology to catch up.Their combination of those massive, expensive anti-ship missiles and the Legend system which detects enemy fleets and issue attack commands in real time via satellites was absolutely spot on. A combination so costly it probably contributed to bringing down an entire empire.
>>524170200>muh China>muh war gameskeek!!! They said the same exact thing about Iran being able to sink the entire US Navy in the middle East if they wanted, and when shit got real in early 2025, the Iranians never showed up.
>>524171005Big_Booty_US_sailors_surrender_to_IRGC.jpg
>>524171005Did Iran try and fail, retard ?
>>524165276A proper WW2 destroyer dwarfs that toy. Looks more like a yacht than a destroyer.
>>524171005As a stark reality, the US has not faced genuine naval battles between near-peers for a very long time. If they were truly at war with a major power like China, they might not show the excessive hesitation they displayed against the Houthis. But they didn't deliberately expose themselves to embarrassment against the Houthis' cheap guerrilla tactics, which relied heavily on drones and such. It sowed seeds of doubt about its future.Iran has no intention of seriously giving the US a pretext for war at this stage, but they are more capable than Houthis and China is already approaching the US as a near-peer in military power.
>>524160401>is named Defiant>is controlled by jews and its golemsKEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>524169774>shoot down nine incoming missiles>the one that didn't get shot down hits the magazine or fuel tank>no more battleship
