I'm a Liberal Democrat, I read Thomas Picketty, Richard Wolff, and Noam Chomsky. The way I see it is simple, capitalism has failed us. We need socialism. I want workers to own the proceeds of their own labor, I want people to have free healthcare, I want the resources of our great country and planet to be used for the benefit of the people rather than a handful of large corporations and wealthy people. Tax the rich, help the people.What is wrong with this? Your enemy isn't immigrants, trans people, or feminists, it's the billionnaires.
>>524165139>2020: wah corporations have more rights than people>2025: hold my beerI gotta admit that llm's masquerading as ai getting more rights than citizens wasnt one my 2025 bingo card
>>524165139Except said ruling elites have spent the last few centuries importing third world laborers so as to undercut the wages / prosperity of native born citizens in the name of greed which now means that any attempt at instituting a truly socialist system in America (a country that is already struggling to maintain its own massive welfare system) means the price of subsidizing all those nice things like free healthcare for everyone becomes nigh insurmountable. To make matters worse, the wealthiest Americans would simply denounce America and move elsewhere - leaving the poor / last vestiges of a mostly decimated middle class to foot the bill of your Marxist Utopia. That's the reality.
>>524165139I voted Kamala Harris but I prefer AOC Trump is a fucking retarded pedo capitalist
What does that have to do with the democrat party? The socialist faction is small and represented by people like Sanders, Mamdani, and Ocasio-Cortez, and I'm not sure how socialist any of them actually are. I agree with your general sentiment, but I don't see a political party that represents me, and I disagree about genetic outgroups because I have a biological, "genoteleological" (genes have telos) worldview that justifies Hitler as the greatest leader of my race, and renders national socialism sensible and agreeable.
>>524165139>Your enemy isn't-Stopped reading.If you think Muslims are a net positive to anything just wait until the women in you family are gang raped.
>>524165346Karl Marx is the leader of all men and will allow us to seize the post scare economy achieved by automation that AI could give us if we allow ourselves to control the means of production and open source monetary value rather than the current trajectory of letting Sam Altman and Elon Musk rape the environment to produce censored slop
>>524165139>Your enemy isn't immigrants, trans people, or feminists, it's the billionnaires.I think it's all of the above. I agree that capitalism has failed, but as for a solution I think we both hold a different idea of "socialism" in our minds.
>>524165139“I want people to have free healthcare.”My guy, there is no such thing as “free”. Somebody somewhere is footing the bill. “Free _____” is always oxymoronical, or if you want to take the inverse, axiomatically true for any expenditure you could imagine, example: “money-costing defense.” How do the hospitals receive medicines that cost resources to produce, procure, and ship to the requisite facilities? How does the electricity that the infrastructure uses get generated and distributed? How do the hospital staff receive payment for their live saving efforts?Not thinking about these most basic of things is how millions die in the pursuit of a “more enlightened” system. To quote Churchill: “capitalism is a terrible system, but it’s the best one we’ve found.”I’d say use your brain but it’s self evident you lack one so please fuck off to a place where they don’t have a privatized healthcare industry and contract a organ liquifying illness and only use their healthcare system. You’ll be begging to cough up money for the U.S. healthcare system then, you fuckwit.
>>524165271>wahhh wahhh the leftwingers can speak their minds hereYour tears are my delight.
>>524165139You listen to this guy?
>>524165332Pushing for mass immigration to bolster GDP and thus skyrocket wages doesn't make sense for a sinister group of elites to push.The truth of the matter is it's just basic movement of people which happened throughout all of history.
>>524165475People tried that dozens of times and the only countries it works with become mixed economies where the unattractiveness of the country serves as a barrier to immigration. Juche is unintentional Korean national socialism. It sucks there from what I can tell, but it's true.
>>524165832Yeah, you can, you’re not being banned or having your post be hidden or removed, unlike Reddit, you absolute ignoramus.
>>524165346By this logic Obama and Biden aren't socialists.>>524165767You clearly haven't done any research on the topic. You don't even know that most countries have free healthcare, look at Europe.You are so stupid.>>524165887You're mad your intellectuals were too big of losers to be invited on the island.
>>524165139How do you feel about what happened during the COVID pandemic? Particularly in terms of:>liability protections and government for the pharma industry >the selection of "essential" vs. "non-essential" industries and businesses>big tech platforms removing accurate information about vaccine side effects or subjective criticisms of pandemic related public policy, often in close coordination with the government
>>524165475>>524165978And by "works with" I mean "exists for a long time, or still exists". Stalin even took anti-semitic actions, and was a comparable "national cult" figure to Hitler or Kim chong-ching.
>>524166019Obama and Biden aren't socialists, and the only people who call them that are American Republicans and those in the American Republican bubble abroad.
>>524166019You literally haven’t responded to one of my points. My point wasn’t how many countries have free healthcare, I was alluding to the quality of that healthcare in conjunction with how it’s paid for because you used a retarded statement with “free” in front of it. You’re so dumb you think that putting “free” in front of something automatically makes it not only better but also true, of which it is neither. Most countries are lower on the human development index, does that mean that being lower on the HDI is better for the population(s) that live there?Actually room temp IQ this guy. I’m surprised you can solve the captcha.
>>524165139If you guys would just secede the culture war, stop importing browns, stop lauding every kind of minority, I promise to support your economic reforms.
>>524165139>We need socialism.
>>524166142The only people who say Obama and Biden aren't socialists are Tankies who actually live in third world shitholes. Like Chinese Nationalists who live in China.Everybody else will say they are socialist.>>524166060The main issue was that we didn't put the blame on the wealthy by taxing the hell out of the rich to finance the deficits that should have been used to bail out the people and keep them above water. I supported taking down vaccine misinformation because at the time it was a public health emergency and it was the equivilent to allowing people to spread bioweapons.>>524166176Two words.Nordic Countries.BTFO
>>524165139wheres my $2k mother fucker
>>524165139>Your enemy isn't immigrants, trans people, or feminists, it's the billionnaires.its everyone you listed and more. Anything that detracts from having a perfect utopia is inherently my enemy. I want to live in a perfect world surrounded by near-perfect beings. Maybe this is impossible, but we can at least do everything in our power to realize it as closely as we can as free entities. The problem with you leftists is that you don't seem to grasp the bigger picture. The bigger picture is that humanity is not meant to live like animals, only concerning ourselves with with the frivolities of base subsistence - that the highest good is an end to poverty or some other such nonsensical thing. Of course, the end of poverty is A goal, it is not THE goal. The goal of humanity should be to become near-perfect and colonize the cosmos, to reign in what we conceptualize as infinity. Neighborhoods wherein citizens can leave their car and home doors unlocked and never have anything stolen is directionally the style of perfect society I envision. Imagine an entire nation like this, where the people of that nation aren't beholden to chaos, anarchy - the wilderness. The entire purpose of civilization is to extricate ourselves from an existence that is beneath us. Your worldview which would have us inundated by the myriad strains of sub-humanity proliferating around the globe would devastate my vision for humanity. How could we worry ourselves with the stars when we're being dragged into the mud by prehistoric hominids who have no business being in a human civilization to begin with? Much of my personal political perspective would be classified as "left-wing", but I cannot and will not ever allow myself to be psychologically gaslit by progressive retards who, to put it bluntly, think the essence of our existence as White people is to perpetually babysit and caretake niggers and other assorted shitskins until we all drown.
>>524166351Nordic countries that have their entire defense industry paid for and subsidized by the American military industrial complex. BTFO, faggot.
>>524165139>Your enemy isn't immigrants, trans people, or feminists, it's the billionnaires.And so it was said. The only real truth ever posted on /pol/OP, you have my respect. Now enjoy as these people tear us to shreds in the comments.
What evidence is there that states are inhibiting ai development? Rhetorical question, I know this fat evil faggot has none and this is just about letting big tech do whatever the fuck they want
>>524165139Donald and his crooks want to steal everything from the american people and retards are falling for their con.
>>524166449It's because they tax the rich mutherfucker.>>524166417Don't you think a perfect world could exist with queer people? How does me existing hurt you at all? How do i bring down the country in any way? I am a productive person.>>524166458Nobody ever claimed there was.
>>524166351>Everybody else will say they are socialist.You read Picketty and Chomsky, huh?>I supported taking down vaccine misinformationThat's not what I asked. I'm talking about true information that was removed for promoting "vaccine hesitancy". Or people's opinions on the wisdom or value of public policies regarding the pandemic, i.e. criticism of lockdowns or of extending liability protections to big pharma
>>524165339>memeflagNo you didn’t, kike.
>>524165139Why do you describe yourself as a liberal? Liberals are part of the problem all they do is uphold capitalism. What the fuck kinda liberal are you where you want to bring about socialism. You are a leftist why not wear the label proudly?
Circular AI investing fraud is the only thing keeping the stock market upIt doesn't make money, it doesn't produce anything, it's a complete and total scam to hide that the economy is in a depression with runaway stagflation
>>524166351Also, you’re talking about much smaller countries with (now previously) homogenous ethnic groups. That’s like if you were to enact socialism in a couple New England states. I will concede that in a culturally and ethnically homogenous group that exists in a high trust society, socialism may be a pertinent form of governance. Here’s the thing, you idiot, the U.S. is none of those things. It’s also larger than the entirety of the EU. Actually go fuck yourself, swine.
>>524166564>Picketty and ChomskyChomsky was being cheeky when he was claiming that nothing was socialist, even USSR.Picketty would claim that Biden's push to redistribute money from the wealthy and give it to the poor would be socialist.>>524166581Liberals and non-MAGA Conservatives are trying to tear it down.>>524166623If they're smaller that means they have less tax payers and workers paying into the system. The more people you have, the more revenue you're generating. It's why the Federal Government can afford things that States can only dream of.Once again, you're stupid.
>>524165139I think control freaks should be shot in the head.Fair warning,.
>>524165139>Saars, do not redeem Lol, LMAO even
Big government shill Trump can fuck off back to Jizzrael
>>524166709Yes, because that’s why the U.S. is over $30 trillion in debt, because we have so many taxpayers. You can have a billion taxpayers, but when most of them take out of the system more than what they put in, you will still end up with a net loss when compared to 100 taxpayers who all make a profit and put in more than what they take out. You’re…Actually retarded.
>>524166551>Don't you think a perfect world could exist with queer people?Well not necessarily. Homosexuality is a pathologized fetish born from either childhood sexual trauma or some sort of brain damage. The entirety of your sexuality is akin to a fetish, I'm afraid. I do not hate you for this, just to be transparent, but I do not think that homosexuality is a benign manifestation of normal sexuality and I do believe that homosexuals are afflicted with some sort of virus. And, no, claiming that because the homosexuality virus appears in other mammalian species that its normal and natural is not a defense as cancer also appears in many species, and while cancer is "natural" and "normal", it isn't a good thing.
>>524166709Tear what down answer my question retard who describes themselves as a liberal but wants socialism? Are you some kind of right wing plant what the fuck are you on about. >obama and Biden were socialists Ok glen beck
>>524166907Ah yes, because the USA is definitely poorer than Equitoral Guniea, which has a little over a million people.Having 340 million people have definitely made the USA much poorer than Cuba or North Korea!!!I can't imagine being this stupid.
>>524166877Trump was born in Queens, what are you blabbing about.
>>524165139>>524165832>>524165929>>524166019>>524166351you're going to be executed for astroturfing
>>524165139>Your enemy isn't immigrants, trans people, or feminists, it's the billionnaires.You are my enemy
>>524167064What are you using to define poorer? Is someone that has $100,000 in the bank and zero debt richer than someone who only leases their “assets” and has so much debt they can hardly ever even hope to pay it back?Seriously dude, you’re just spinning in circles now grasping onto straws. Since when did I talk about North Korea or Cuba? Again, just prattling on at this point you are because you couldn’t realistically counter my previous arguments.
>>524167522>When did i talk about North Korea and CubaYou never did moron, when did I ever claim you did?If you're going to claim the USA isn't rich then you're too retarded to continue this conversation, what a dogshit argument. The USA is undeniably the richest large nation on earth. The only nations that are arguably richer are high-productivity microstates like Singapore or UAE.
>>524166709Kys larping faggot
>>524167660>you never didExactly, so why the fuck are you talking about them instead of debating the merit of your ideology and economic system? >USA is richestOk, but you still haven’t properly defined “richest”Richest people per capita? Most profitable businesses? Most land? Most commodities on that land? Just GDP in general? I have a feeling you mean richest based on pure GDP, in which case I offer you a scenario, and instead of moving the goal posts and deflecting again, answer the goddamned question:If person a makes $10,000,000 per year, but is $100,000,000 in debt, is he wealthier than someone that only makes 100k a year and has $1,000,000 in the bank? Are we defining “wealthy” in terms of pure prospective spending power and earnings, or by actual substantive positive wealth accumulation and interest? If you deflect again I will simply not bother responding. We can’t debate if you won’t define your terms and speak in generalities.
>>524168048>Exactly, so why the fuck are you talking about them instead of debating the merit of your ideology and economic system?Because you made a retarded claim implying that having more people makes your nation poorer and less able to afford things by bringing up that the USA has $30 trillion in debt, despite having a much higher population than Scandinavia. I brought up North Korea and Cuba as counterexamples to show how stupid what you said was.>If person a makes $10,000,000 per year, but is $100,000,000 in debt, is he wealthier than someone that only makes 100k a year and has $1,000,000 in the bank? Are we defining “wealthy” in terms of pure prospective spending power and earnings, or by actual substantive positive wealth accumulation and interest? If you deflect again I will simply not bother responding. We can’t debate if you won’t define your terms and speak in generalities.I would argue highest in terms of productivity as defined as outputs minus inputs, with interest costs as an input (as its cost of capital).So if someone earns $1,000,000 a year but has $10,000,000 in debt and pays 5% interest $500,000 a year... that persons productivity would be $500,000 a year (1,000,000 minus 500,000). They would be richer than someone who has no debt but earns $250,000 a year.
>>524165139> We need socialism
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>>524165139i hope trump kills himself lol
>>524168484>>524168512>He says>From Germany>Which has a high standard of living with the Nordic States.
>>524165139>Your enemy isn't immigrants, trans people, or feminists, it's the billionnaires.Actually it's all of the above, and they all feed into each other. We won't ever defeat our elites and regain control of the West for whites while we're enslaved to their drugs, competing for resources with hostile invaders, or while our women are self serving and at war with us. In fact, those are some of the things which made their vast wealth possible.
>>524165139>Your enemy isn't immigrants, trans people, or feminists, it's the billionnaires.It's actually all of them
>>524168444When did I ever say that simply by virtue of having more people a country is inherently poorer? If you actually think I said that you need to have your reading comprehension skills formally tested.>defined as highest productivity as defined by outputs minus inputsOk in your hypothetical example, I could see your argument being valid, but your example did not include overall expenditures. In the us’s case, we’re spending nearly 125% YOY on average. Meaning our debt is perpetually increasing. If one’s debt is everlasting and increasing, are they truly more wealthy than someone that “makes less” but doesn’t have to spend 125% of their budget every year just to stay afloat?Furthermore, how is a person who’s already over-budget by a quarter and owes more than they make supposed to take on extra expenditures? If anything, any economic advisor would advise to decrease spending and put money toward paying down the debt before taking on other expensive endeavors? And also, before “we just tax the rich”, think, about what has happened in recent history, say COVID for example: shipping costs went up, but the demand for food remained the same, so what did businesses do? They increased their prices to account for the price differential so they could offset any kind of quarterly earnings decline. Honestly, what do you think would happen if the rich were taxed more in the U.S.? Hell, even the MSM called out Trump for the tariffs saying that by taxing the imports he was really levying a tax on the American citizens. What would be the difference in principle (if any) of increasing domestic taxes of businesses to offset new costs of a socialistic system?
>>524169251>When did I ever say that simply by virtue of having more people a country is inherently poorer? If you actually think I said that you need to have your reading comprehension skills formally tested.Because when I brought up that the Nordic countries have free healthcare and shit, you said "well it's easy for them because they have such a small population" (PARAPHRASED). I pointed out that in the USA, the population is larger, meaning yes they have more people to give free healthcare too, but that also means MORE TAX PAYERS.
>>524169481I brought up the small population in conjunction with other factors that make that system possible. Again, I never made the claim that simply by having a large population a country will be poorer. To emphasize the point, I later gave the example of a billion people paying into a system less than they were taking out vs 100 people doing the inverse. In the prior example, there’s a deficit of recourses, meaning not everyone will be able to receive what little there is to go around, whereas in the latter example, because of the abundance of resources, everyone will be able to in theory receive an equal amount of care should they need it.That is what brings us to the present debate of defining wealth and how a system could support a socialistic structure.
>>524165139>You don't understand. We need the AI data center to take all of your town's electricity and water or else China will win!
>>524165139ai should be struck down in it's infancy imho.
>>524169684Ok so lets cut to the facts, the chase, the importance here.If America had a more equal distribution of wealth, we could significantly improve the quality of life of the majority of people without impoverishing the ultra wealthy.We could provide lots of Federal Funding to things like disease research, infrastructure, balancing the budget, etc... without taxing the wealthy enough to truly disincentivize them.
>>524165929It's to lower wages, it's the same principle of undermining collective bargaining by hiring scabs. This is not a right-wing talking point either, it's that the US dems abandoned labour in the 1980s to tie themselves to elites.>>524166417Unhinged utopian retards have done more damage than anyone. That's one of the main critiques of communism, it doesn't translate into our imperfect real world. ie. Frederick the Great was one of Prussia's greatest leaders, his sexuality was essentially irrelevant to that. Not to mention you're a fucking poltard. You're on someone's kill list too
>>524170118>It's to lower wages, it's the same principle of undermining collective bargaining by hiring scabs. This is not a right-wing talking point either, it's that the US dems abandoned labour in the 1980s to tie themselves to elites.Yet it boosts GDP and thus skyrocketing worker wages. That's not what an evil cabal would do.
>>524165139>Your enemy isn't immigrants, trans people, or feministsBut those are my top three enemies. H1-Bs have destroyed the job market. Trans people try to force others to believe their delusions. Feminists blame men for everything, when they are literally destroying social norms.
>>524170178>boosts GDP and thus skyrocketing worker wagesThis isn't even remotely true. It's not divided equally.
>>524170618>Immigration reduces real wagesNot even remotely true in the slightest. Labor is an input in production, labor is valued in relation to production. It's a self correcting mechanism. If you were on an island with only yourself, and 10 people showed up who were willing to work with you and trade with you, you would get richer, not poorer, because even though they "compete" with you, they'd also increase productivity of goods and services that can be traded for your labor. They raise the relative demand for your labor as much as the supply, while strenghthening comparative advantage and economies of scale.
>>524170722>If you were on an island with only yourself>10 people showed up who were willing to work with you and trade with youHow'd that kind of mass immigration work out for Palestinians? Stop fucking around with theoretical bullshit you don't even bother to question for bad logic.
>>524166351>but muh nordicsMost nordics don't even have access to their own healthcare because refugees and migrants are prioritized, and they're all sickly, inbred wretches. fucking disingenuous nigger.
>>524165139I’m fine with socialism, so long as it’s the nationalist variant. Immigration moratorium. No H1B. No immigrant farm labor. No offshoring. I only want my taxes serving people that have been this country for several generations.
>>524166709>Biden's push to redistribute money from the wealthy and give it to the poor would be socialistBiden handed out a few pocket change checks to iggers who already get their entire lives subsidized for free by tax payers, and gave tax breaks to the same billionaires you pretend to cry about, you disingenuous faggot. > It's why the Federal Government can afford things that States can only dream of.No, the Federal government ca 't actually afford most of the shit it's doing, the funding comes from the inflation of stolen wealth VIA mass money printing, like how printing billions of dollars during covid caused spikes.of inflation up to 400% in some markets.
>>524170897My hypothetical is under the assumption that the migrants coming in don't commit crime and are willing to work with you in an economically productive way, i.e produce wealth and trade with you and don't disrupt anything.I'm factoring out any cultural impacts or increases in crime.America benefitted by importing tons of Germans and Scottish people in the late 1700s and early 1800s. Those people built up the nation.
>>524171270>my hypothetical is under the assumption that fairytales are realWhen are you retarded faggots going to join us in reality already? Fuck your theories you stupid fucking nigger.
>>524171256Biden gave lip service to some rich donors.He gave TRILLIONS to the poor.>>524171336The Scottish and German immigrants in the late 1700s and early 1800s had very very low crime rates.
>>524165139how is a billionaire bad in a way that a central planner is not?
>>524171418Because a Central Planner, at least in theory, is working on behalf of the population at large. If a central planning bureaucrat builds an amazing city, that city is wealth for the people of that country, if a billionnaire uses his billions to build a beautiful city, that's HIS city that is exclusionary to everyone else (unless they pay up to enter). One's labor benefits the people, the other only benefits the billionnaire.
>>524171270also>I'm factoring out reality and metrics that matterYour theories are fucking worthkess if they don't take reality into account, like the cultures being mass imported. > America benefitted by importing tons of Germans and Scottish people in the late 1700s and early 1800s. Those people built up the nation. America benefitted from that because they imported functional White families of good character. They weren't importing mobs of shit eating, gang raping, mass scamming pajeets, gang raping criminal muslims, or wildly violent, criminal niggers from warlord and slaver and cannibal descended tribes.
>>524171499No the billionaire only maintains/grows his wealth if he is serving his customers better than the alternatives. With a central planner, there are no alternatives.
>>524171569All the problems of a billionaire are made a million times worse with a central planner. Especially when you consider the type of person who becomes a central planner in practice. It is not a position you get by being virtuous and principled.
>>524171543But it shows that as long as the immigrants are of good quality, this idea that it depresses wages is bullshit. People coming in and working hard doesn't bid down your labor because to the extent it does, it also bids up your labor via increasing productivity and prosperity for the society.>>524171569And that's a fair point, it was a very good argument Friedman made for capitalism. That said, he only serves the customer by collecting payment. For example, if a central planner builds a bridge connecting two landmasses, the bridge is now free for everyone, if a capitalist does it, he will charge a toll for everyone crossing. Long term, the society that embraces some level of collectivism will be richer in the long run because people won't be charged for using every single road, sidewalk, bridge, etc.
>>524171679>That said, he only serves the customer by collecting payment. For example, if a central planner builds a bridge connecting two landmasses, the bridge is now free for everyone, if a capitalist does it, he will charge a toll for everyone crossing. Long term, the society that embraces some level of collectivism will be richer in the long run because people won't be charged for using every single road, sidewalk, bridge, etc.But what is the difference if they are charged or if it is free? The money is just paper. Even if the billionaire is just a perfect capitalist and drains everyone of all of their wealth except for a few pennies each... still in that case he has arrived at equivalence with the one who is the 'central planner'.
>>524171826Well is it not true that in the case of the billionnaire running the bridge, you'd end up with a much poorer society than the one where the central planner does it?You say money was with paper but the same phenomemon would occur if the currency was gold, or bitcoin, or oil.The billionnaire would siphon wealth from people everytime they cross his bridge,whereas if it was public infrastructure it would be totally free of charge.In fact, if the government spends $100m on a bridge, and the bridge boosts productivity (via allowing interconnectedness) by $20m a year, and the discount rate is 5%... that means the bridge is really worth $400m, it's like the government created $300m out of thin air by building public infrastructure.Obviously I pulled those numbers out of my ass, but if the billionnaire built the bridge, he would spend $100m of his own capital, build a $400m bridge, and that $300m surplus would belong to him rather than the people at large.
>>524171499>at least in theorylol. lmao even.
>>524166709>Chomsky was being cheekyChomsky is not known for that. Unlike you I actually read him, and he meant that.>Picketty would claimTell me something OP, would you claim Keynesian theory is socialist? Because it isn’t, and anyone claiming it is isn’t worth your time. Redistribution in and of itself isn’t socialist. Literally every single civilization since the dawn of humanity has known that some kind of redistribution is required from time to time to prevent social collapse. Was every civilization socialist too?You don’t have a good understanding of these things because you can’t seem to tell where you stand. Those three people you cited are leftists. They hate libs. Chomsky’s famous essay is subtitled the menace of liberal scholarship. Like others have said you claiming Obama and Biden are socialists makes you sound like Glen Beck.
>>524172027What the toll on the bridge does is effectively decide who gets to use it. Who is willing to make the sacrifice of wealth required to pass. So the difference is, only the people who save up enough will be able to use it in the capitalist case... in other words, only the people who really value the bridge will get to go. So the traffic is more efficient. But MY point is that when billionaire controls all the wealth in the society, he ceases to be a billionaire, and becomes the monarchic ruler.... but even in that case he has to satisfy the people living there because as with all monarchic rulers, if people are being oppressed they will just try to wage war against the ruler. And there's no value in having the dollars if you can't use them to ultimately procure labor... so somehow there is always going to be a give and take. It just ceases to be the market approximation and becomes more like a monarchy or central planner approximation. Of course in both cases the most important thing about him is how good he is as a ruler in terms of his disposition. Is he trying to kill you or help you?. That's why race and religion is so important, because you basically have an existential risk that this guy (the central planner AND the billionaire monarch) might want to kill your race.
>>524172505Wasn't this essentially Capital and Ideology by Piketty, distribution of wealth is a cultural value. This dumb "liberal democrat" OP doesn't read the authors he name-drops for credibility.
>chomskyAnother epstein stoogeHe has shite opinions,same as broke ass unloved marky marx
>>524172855Yeah imagine shilling him at this point. Amazing how so many boomer elites managed to shit on their legacy across the entire left-right spectrum. Guess we need a new point to fight over
>>524172473>Unlike you I actually read himNo you didn't, you watched a few youtube animations about his stuff.> would you claim Keynesian theory is socialist? BIf you say Keynes isn't socialist then I'm ignoring you, you're too stupid for me.
>>524172916You are my example of the uneducated right wing zombie.You don't read, you never really were educate, you just spout the opinions that the algorithm brainwashed you to have.
>>524173078>tries to explain immigration and economics using the example of a fictional desert islandPeople would be wise to ignore your thread, if not just to dunk on you as a lolcow
>>524172505I will have to think about this a lot more. You bring up some really good points, in fact so far you're the only person I'm impressed with in the thread, very impressed.I will get back to you if I come up with an argument. I guess my only rebuttal at this point is that a monopolistic owner of the bridge might not set his price at the soceitial optimal level. For example, he might want to charge people $100 to cross the bridge, knowing many will, even if the marginal cost of a bridge cross is $0.01 in average cost. So there will be some deadweightloss there.
>>524173142It was a way to dumb it down for people like you.Apparently that's not enough, when someone is highly uneducated they can't even understand anologies and hypotheticals. There's a reason nobody takes you people seriously and it's not classism, it's because uneducated people can't even have a proper conversation.
>>524173124>you never really were educate
>>524173078>No you didn'tHe has an online archive that I have read, faggot.>If you say Keynes isn't socialist then I'm ignoring you, you're too stupid for me.You’re too retarded for political economy, sorry kid, you also have to be 18 to post here.
>>524173295Nobody with even an undergraduate would deny Keynes was socialist.Your education is as pisspoor as your bank account.
>>524165139>capitalism has failed us. We need socialismHow many times has that worked in history? Oh yeah, it fails in every country it has been tried in. But please, tell me how your brand of soicialism is different from all the others.
>>524173344Nobody huh? I think your ignorance is showing.>Your education is as pisspoor as your bank account.You’re a very bad troll.
>>5241738480/10 ragebait
>>524173685China is whooping your ass. And if you say they're not socialists, then bring their capitalism to America. Because they build high speed trains, have all the world's industry, and they do it without the tens of millions of jeets you and your president want.
>>524174037>changes his meme flag just for me out of butthurt>proceeds to make a fool of himself online>republican flagYeah it all checks out.
>>524174307I have like 5 threads it's hard for me to keep track of all my flags.
>>524174106Most Chinese live little better than niggers and Indians.
>>524165139they've got these dumb redditniggers crying about capitalism while they live in the most centrally planned and globalized economy of all-time there's a reason they keep calling it capitalism despite having abandoned it decades ago go ahead and try to start, let's say, a chip manufacturing corporation, or a natural gas corporation, and see how it works out.
>>524171679>but it shows thatSure, the problem you're ignoring is the ONLY people who are a net benefit for immigration are productive White men of good, upstanding moral character. Every single nonwhite we've ever brought in, even japs and koreans, are massive drains on resources. >this idea that it depresses wages is bullshit. Only when you discount the reality right in front of your face you disingenuous jew. More people competing for wages means the lowest bidder is going to get it. Jeets will do skilled labour positions back home for a pile of rice and curry on the floor, you woyld have to be a jew or a jeet to pretend that wont reflect on how they operate when they come here. On top of that, all the groups we're bringing in are insanely racist, and openly give their own prefferential treatment. >jeets taking over hiring and exclusively hiring other jeets>muslims forming ethnic ghettod where they cover fot each others criminal behaviour>africans forming street level gangs, fighting over turf they're fucking renting>chinks scamming and stealing and performing espionage for the homeland.> People coming in and working hard doesn't bid down your labor because to the extent it does, it also bids up your labor via increasing productivity and prosperity for the society.That is literally the opposite of reality you dumb, lying, shit eating goblin.
>>524173225>can't actuslly make the arguments he's trying to make>tries to cope by pretending he's "dumbing it down"lol. LMAO even. >hurdurr you can't have a proper conversationT.coping shit eating goblin who can't even factually argue the content of the authors he's name dropping for e-clout
>>524174409China literally has the largest middle class in the world you dumb cunt.
