into capitalism or socialism anywaySo we need a whole new model of political economy, one not yet even thought of by a human mind.What is it?Pic is just because Bismarck is the kind of man we need today: didn't give a fuck about any ideology, just what worked, what was practical for Germany's rise to greatness. And Bismarck didn't even care to eclipse the British Empire, just basically be the greatest power in Continental Europe. A mind like his would have ideas for our day and age, unfortunately we have ideologues everywhere and ideology is the substitute for religion now.
>>524180488Is feudalism, with lords and ladies under a king and queen ruling all the commoners, just the natural state of civilized societies? Is it the only sustainable system of political economy, which every deviating system like capitalism and socialism and mixed social democracy and third positionism that evolves into one of these is destined to transform back into anyway?
>>524180488Techno capitalism/perfect communism. Our economy on a completely transparent blockchain (eliminating socialisms imperfect information problem), managed and governed by an ever powerful AI which would perfectly plan an economy and eliminate any inefficiencies. Work would be optional, and youd get paid a UBI by voting and participating in the political system. Work gives you extra income and robots do every single job they can possibly do. The tradeoff is that youd need total surveillance to avoid people grifting and cheating the system but thats fine
>>524180488the problem is that the institutions are clogged upand all countries are bancruptonly incremental change is possibleand at the same time that is not enoughHitler had the right idea, that you basically need to become a dictator to get anything done
Could it be that the economic model just needs to change depending on society's needs at the time? Capitalism clearly worked very well during its time period but seems to be failing a majority of the population Or is this a flawed view?
>>524180488Say socialism failedJack off to Bismarck thanks to whom you have retirement which is pure socialism that is eating up 50% of taxes in every single country that has retirement plans and fucks with birth rates because people do not breed when they know their country will take care of them.Why you mutts are uneducated retards?
>>524181106>Bismarck is responsible that pollacks dont breed!!
>>524181154And germans breed? I am not tlking about nu-tukrroach and syrian germans but european ones?Bismarck is responsible for social security plans. Which fucked over Europe and Western countries in the long run as it is pyramid scheme.And the only thing untermensch like you can do is shit themsleves about Poland. Pathetic.
>>524181242the only reason you shit on Bismarck is because he couldnt stand polish rats
>>524181270No I am literally bitching about social security and retirement plans you fucking retard.
>>524181304youre just saying retarded shit because you hate Bismarck
>>524180488Imperialism is literally right there.It required Hitler's and capitalism's subsequent betrayals to ever fall in the first place, communism being the most open enemy of it.It lastedso long because it worked and it will simply remake itself for the same reason.There have been no greater empires than the European colonial ones.
>>524181340He will never admit his short comings. Even when staring him in the face.
>>524180488The Greek root of kybernos concerns not only helmsmanship but also directly refers to governing in the political sense. That is how Ampère understood it when he coined the word in 1832 that was used by Norbert Wiener over a century later in a more specific and scientifically pointed sense, as we pointed out years ago.The “conquest of nature” – “Nature” personified as female – has been an underlying theme in male-dominated Western science and technology since about the 15th century. The prevalent conquest theme in scientistic/technological thinking is still alive and well, with all its overtones of rape, pillage and exploitation.The finest alchemists knew that the domain of nature is vast and is within as well as external to us. So they taught that it was human nature that was in dire need of a healing transformation out of its quasi-insane (literally unhealthy) yet habitual and destructive states of mind. But alchemy then gave way to very profitable chemistry and chemical technology. The great philosophical alchemists, Zosimos and Maria of Egypt and Ostanes of Persia, are now replaced by DuPont, Dow and Monsanto (which is presently trying to control the biochemistry of food-plant seeds in order to sterilize and de-sterilize them at will, thus very gainfully controlling the world’s food supply and exploiting hunger for profit). But the damaging human-triggered feedbacks of the latter twentieth century have made clear – despite short-term greed and profit – the increasing failure and instability of institutionalized science-cum-power (as opposed to older science as a benign and sacred search for truth). Also made clear has been the abject failure of the boasted “conquest of nature” as increasingly demonstrated in unprecedented, ultimately human-driven natural catastrophes.
>>524181503With a mounting destructive attitude towards his own biosphere, man can only lose power over his own fate as nature recoils on him; and his anthropocentrism (logically culminating in anthropolatry) degenerates into a self-destruct command: an enterprise of nihilism and annihilation of the very biosphere that sustains him. This is Nature’s final negative feedback control over her greatest predator/parasite in geological time. There is a hierarchical parasitism here. Humans following the “conquer-nature!” fanaticism simply parasitize all other life forms. The irony is that they in turn are parasitized by their own controlling cliques as “the revolution” tiresomely becomes just another and often more deadly tyranny.
>>524180488>didn't give a fuck about any ideology, just what worked, what was practical for Germany's rise to greatness.So a Western version of pic rel?
>>524180488>didn't give a fuck about any ideology, just what worked, what was practical Just describing modern day dengist china under xi
>>524181340>>524181434https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_retirement>In 1881,[3][4] the conservative German chancellor, Otto Von Bismarck, in a maneuver against Marxists who were burgeoning in power and popularity, announced that anyone over 70 years old would be forced to retire and that he would pay a pension to them.[1] Bismarck drafted the formal request by Emperor, William I in 1881 to the Reichstag: "...those who are disabled from work by age and invalidity have a well-grounded claim to care from the state"[5] The German welfare program provided contributory retirement benefits and disability benefits. Participation in the retirement system was mandatory and contributions were taken from the employee, the employer and the government.[5]Pure socialism. But yeah, hate the messenger and ignore the message retards.
>>524181597stop shitting up the thread, pollack
>>524180488Socialism is the 3rd positionism. Capitalism is the thesis, communism a tithesis and socialism the synthesis. Capitalism and communism can never work. Natsocism can not work either because it's total war with everyone at all times, which is unsustainable.
>>524181588>>524181590DengmindSee also: Park Chung Hee & Lee Kuan Yew
>>524181106>austerity increases birthrates! Making people spend their last their last penny accomodating their grandparents to will allow them to focus on having kids! You don't even have your own opinions you are just a burger satellite brain
>>524181640Correcting retards who fight against socialism praising one of the biggest socialists in the world is not shitting anything up you bloedunterman.
>>524180488> Be dutch> Dont have some weird pathology against germans> Dont have some weird pathology against polish> Or russians> Just see them all as white frens Why you fags gotta be so retarded all the time
>>524181503Also, science as a conquest of nature is influenced by Genesis and God supposedly giving humans dominion over the earth. Yes, science as the search for truth is the higher form of science than science as a quest to increase human power.
>>524181534>Humans following the “conquer-nature!” fanaticism simply parasitize all other life forms.Yes, whether the biosphere can survive industrial civilization is a big question, and I don't even mean global warming. We're seeing species go extinct at a rate to rival the extinction of the dinosaurs over the past century or so of widespread industrialization in the world, and especially over the past few decades as China and now India and, more nascently, Africa are coming aboard the industrial train.A thousand years from now, three quarters of the earth's species might be extinct.
>>524181597I thought socialism was workers owning capital, not just having social programs, which is usually called social democracy or something like that.Germany, Scandinavia, the Netherlands etc. are not socialist countries. They are capitalist with social democratic features.
