So they cling to a collective identity to make up for their lack of any remarkable individual qualities. You can in today's world the failings of nationalism rising up again. The world is heading toward another Great War. Nationalism was the replacement for religion in the 19th century, after the Enlightenment discredited religion and the Romantics, leaning on emotion over reason, turned to the idea of the nation to revive the emotional fixation that religion once provided for people.Will humanity ever transcend both religion and nationalism? Can we have just rational philosophy in lieu of religion and individualism in lieu of national identity?
>>524181272I cling to nationalism because it's the only thing that can save the nordic race. I give literally zero fucks about collective identity or national achievements.
Nah, your retarded.I can accomplish a lot and still feel nationalism is necessary.
Nah, thats just dumb cope.
>>524181272Is there any proof for his opinion?
Imagine building your whole career around thinking and then being wrong about basic concepts? Very cringe.
>>524181272Anyone clinging to ideologies when himself achieved nothing is insecure.Be it christians, white-ethno retards, environmentalists, communists and other jews. Most of them achieved completely nothing in life and just cling to the identity of people who achieved something he thinks he shares common characteristics with.
Arthur’s critique is from a much different set of anffairs and if it wasn’t for the 20th century his diagnosis would ring as true as the rest of his work. The problem is nationalism is the only thing people have left when total depravity has swept all point of leverage aside.Proper critique of nationalism is that it is counter traditionalism, which alone is a nebulous concept and somewhat heady. It almost sounds backwards as nationalists appear to be the only protectors of traditions.However a careful student of law and enfranchisement would quickly find how nationalism seeks to nullify ethnic expression and basically any smaller power blocks that hold influence or presidency over the rising monoculture.
>>524181272Actively importing subhuman niggers to destroy your own society, culture and history wasnt a thing during his time.
Post quotes, niggerson.
>>524181272Nationalism is the thing a people turn to when society becomes chaotic. It existed alongside Religion but Religion was replaced by Secularism, not Nationalism. France became Nationalist out of the chaos of the Revolution.The Nationalism that will accelerate the move to War in Europe will be White Identity or White Nationalism.
>>524181272Thats....one way someone might be feeling. I just look at whites ans the history and know who's superior. I cant help but be a part of thst collective. This country was for free white men and they thought of me when they thought of how thet were gonna leave this country and what they sacrificed so I could take it easy in paradise. Thats the fully realized dream. America got co opted and I feel no connection to invaders and undesirables. I may not be thriving in this jew dominated landscape but thats a flex because they hold little control over me. Taxes i cant help
>>524181272He wasn't talking about living with every nigger and jeet some kike can scrape from the bottom of a barrel, faggot.
>>524181272Most literal nazis here constantly critique their culture and state and how gay and fake it is though. Noone criticizes their nation more then nationalists
>>524182248What achievements should one have before you can hecking have an opinion according to you?
>>524181272Nationalism is a variant of tribalism.Deeply insecure people join secret societies to mess with their one-sided rivals.
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>>524182841They mustA. agree with the current thingB. receive social credit for agreeing with the current thingC. have over 10k upboats on reddit
>>524182841Not being a NEET or the lowest part of society would be a fucking starter.
>>524181272It's true. Look at our nationalists. They turned modern country in north Korea 2.0
>>524182548Jews are using WW3 to initiate the final replacement. Once they kill the last able-bodied white men they can bring the brown golems unopposed. If nationalists don't stand up against their own government then it's over.
>>524181272sounds like gaslighting and probably because kikes lack the genetics to truly ever be around their own
>>524181272>turned to the idea of the nation to revive the emotional fixation that religion once providedIf you read Sorel or even just Marx, you realize that the myth that replaced Christ consciousness ("WWJD") was supposed to be class consciousness. It wasn't even only kikes who thought that a foundation myth was necessary to elevate the minutae of boring wage discussions, petty strike and union meetings into something that contributed to a bigger, meaningful and epic struggle of liberation. So, no, nationalism was never the new emotional framing that ought to replace religion. Even for Rosenberg, it was blood, not nation that was meant to unite the Europeans.Also, Schopenhauer has to nested in a longer debate that even Goethe participated in, where plenty prominent German thinkers rejected the idea of an artifical "German" identity that only catered to the transient ambitions of a unifying ruler. Instead, they preferred the emergent, regional identities that grew naturally, like how Bavaria or Prussia created distinct cultures that shouldn't be diluted or replaced by a one-size-fits-all "German" one. The eager acceptance of the latter only benefits the weakest members of the new identity, and thus they rejected it.
>>524181355Have you ever thought of an accomplishment in the use of homophones?>your
>>524181317Based, and may u succeed. Genuinely hope u guys get ur country back. Arthur is correct on women though.
Yeah it's a retarded take, among many of his retarded takes.Even a loner like me who hates fellow goyim understands that a country full of White people keeps my life comfy.I kniw that as my country gets browner, my life as an individual will get more difficult and brutal.So even a shut in NEET can understand the need for nationalism & patriotism.
>>524181272schopenhauer lived in a different time. in today's world, the alternative to nationalism is viewing your country as an open borders economic opportunity zone that exists to be flooded with rootless brown niggermonkey labor, and raped and exploited by rootless cosmopolitan jew financiers and multinational corporations that avoid taxes via offshore tax havens.
>>524184690That's such bullshit. You talk as if Europe was historically utopia where in truth it has been the site of the most devastating wars in history.
>>524181272Schopenhauer was a faggot troon. Redifing what you don't like as a psychosis using psycho bullshit is a female tactic. This is like calling people against homosexuality closeted. Or redefining everything as a phobia. This is weak lefty bitch cope.
That's what politics is, retard. A group of people working together will be able to accomplish more than any one person working alone.>Hmm, the opposing football team is communicating and coordinating among each other>Not me, I'm an individual >Why am I losing?
>>524181272jews is one of the most religious and nationalistic groups in the worldbut usanon for sure talks about whites and others
>>524181272Schopenhauer didn't witness they systemic destruction of his country.Eveyone makes mistakes, if he were alive today he'd be against immigration.
>>524181272Share the power to issue currency with the people currently exploited by it. The Left viciously refuses to talk about it.
>>524181272Schopenhauer died in 1860. He would have been speaking of the German nationalism of 1848, not the 3rd Reich. You have a poor grasp of German history. Hitler was a "big Germany" leader meaning a Germany of German speaking states. The opponents of this in 1948 were "little Germany" nationalists who did not want "House of Hapsburg" Austrian monarchy leadership. Clearly Schopenhauer would have been delighted at the Third Reich and their social and scientific achievement. .
>>524181272>"studying" Schopenhauer via IA
>>524181272Nationalism, in this day and age is a way to preserve oneself.
>>524188100Schopenhauer famously stated he didn't give a shit to politics.He said all that is important about politics was already written by Hobbes. At best he was a minarchist.Retards here claiming he would enjoy the authoritarian Third Reich are truly stupid.
>>524188451I don't see how a monarchist would enjoy seeing his country invaded by hoards of subhumans, are you agreeing with OP?
>>524182404>Arthur’s critique is from a much different set of anffairsThis is the correct take. He's referring to 1840s before Germany existed, the aspirations of a non-nation of German speaking people. vs. the Austrian Empire.
>>524185835What a stupid thing to say. Where isn't? We are discussing civilization here, brown boy
>>524188642MInarchist, with I. Not mOnarchist.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state>his countryHe couldn't care less about that. Do you even know what his philosophy is about?If anything being override by hordes of browns is just another kind of suffering from thousands of others that humans have to suffer while alive, without solution.
>>524181272>national prideThat's patriotism he's referring to, not nationalism. Nationalism is the belief that a government belongs to a particular people whom it exists to serve.
>>524181272what does this have to do with donald trump being a pedophile?
>>524181272This has been refuted a bunch of times by now. I'm guess I'm going to have to make a copypasta or something.
>>524188274>19481848 sorry. I had one fucking job...
>>524188986The relationship is that schopenhaur was a fag who probably would be screetching similar nonsense if he were alive today
>>524188870People don't understand certain things until they experience them.Clearly that was the case for him.
>>524181272>ima liberal nigger-loving faggotOP hates nationalismbecause he hates his own people.OP worships forced integration with niggers,and sees nationalism as the greatest existential threatto his nigger fetishism.Nations are real things,"individuals" are an imaginary construction.The people who cling to individualism the most,have had their entire identities constructed by the ZOG.
>>524188451The authoritarian 3rd Reich? Favela nigger, the Germans were starving and Hitler fixed it in 8 years. He was beloved. Did you see him hiding? Hundreds of thousands of people, he drove through the in a open top Benz. That's how much they loved him.
Some retarded fag thought like retarded fags generally thinkWhat of it?
>>524181272I ain't reading all that but semi agreeCollectivism is basically leftist while rights are for individualism. Yet individuals identities have always been tied to various groups. The left just wants those groups to control your life. Having pride in your nation and wanting them to succeed so you and your family succeed is not faggot leftism or wrong in any fashion. Using those motives to entirely control a populace is faggotry.
>>524181272Nationalism is dumb but not for the reasons stated. Nationalism is dumb because the idea of the 'nation state' is a propagandistic lie and a fabrication of the so-called Enlightenment which has lead us so far astray. A state is not a people, it is a corporations which must above all look after its own interests as a private entity, not some noble notion of a people. That said, pride in what you are is good and wholesome, just as it is good and just to have pride in who your father is, where you live, etc. Only some soulless merchant-minded bourgeois faggot would disagree.>A state, is called the coldest of all cold monsters.>Coldly lieth it also; and this lie creepeth from its mouth: "I, the state, am the people.">It is a lie! Creators were they who created peoples, and hung a faith and a love over them: thus they served life.>Destroyers, are they who lay snares for many, and call it the state: they hang a sword and a hundred cravings over them.>Where there is still a people, there the state is not understood, but hated as the evil eye, and as sin against laws and customs.
>>524189212So what? Still authoritarian.As I said Schopenhauer believed the main function of the government was to basically impede people to kill each other. This is WAY short of the National-Socialism plan for Germany.
>>524181272>if you don't want to ruin the world with a bunch of niggers and pajeets, you are a loserwow, very cool, (((schopenstein))) really setting the record straightnot wanting to live in a hell hole and leaving your own people in shit is le bad, unless it's Israel
>>524183647I think your homophone is ringing.
>>524181272Nationalism is for iddiots. Being a little nationalistic is nice but any strong nationalism is contrary to the laws of God, it is abominable.
If you can't see how a collective national identity improves the individual by improving the race, thus improving the nation, then I don't know what to tell you.
>>524181272he had to come up with some reason why nationalism means you're insecure because all the criticism he got for not being patriotic made him insecure
>>524181272>Be strong>Strength of the wolf is strength of the pack>Strength of the pack is Strength of the wolf>Antinationalist in a Hobbesian universe"Noooo! You can't derive Strength and personal power from the Leviathan! Thats just cope! How dare you take pride in your ancestors achievement that has also enriched your lives and others!">*Erika Intensifies*
>>524189757>Only God's government is good governmentYou are just a nationalist for a theoretical concept same as everyone else
Reminder that Schopenhauer was an ugly unlovable recluse who died bitter and alone. All of his musings stem from the fact that he himself was a failure in life, he was merely lashing out at what he couldn't have or be a part of.Ugly people are spiteful mutants who only destroy functioning societies and that includes Spergenhauer
>>524189757>Contrary to the laws of God Assuming you're using the Abrahamic version of God, the OT reflects themes of nationalism. To understand Gods creation is to understand the difference between the races. There's a reason the Aryans labeled non-Whites the way they did.
>>524181272Yes, we’re already moving in that direction with tech technological expertism, would you might recognize as “the science”.
>>524181272nah that sounds like projection. You don't have to feel insecure to cherish and want to preserve your cultural and ethnic identity and to preserve that of other groups as well. You just need to look around and appreciate it all.
>>524181272Individualism runs contrary to reality.No man is an island. You can’t bring yourself into the world. You spend the first 7-10 years of your life utterly helpless and yet you think once you hit maturity you are like some kind of other worldly superior entity who can be free from the arbitrary strictures of “le society” that can’t understated an enlightened being like yourself. Individualism is a decadent belief system prevalent among societies most privileged and indolent narcissistic losers.What can one man accomplish alone in the wilderness beyond maybe constructing a mud hut and planting some roots to munch on?
>>524181272Right so complete this sentence: > People who aren't remarkable should _____....now recall that you claim to be a leftist, a socialist, and a voice for the unremarkable.
>>524190841Indeed. It creates a higher standard for citizens to follow and hold each other accountable to. The Third Reich is an example of the innovation that kind of spirit can lead to.
>>524181272> rational philosophyAlready debunked 250 years ago
Im sure numerical advantage is totally meaningless, just ask any military in history
>>524189492>Nationalism is dumb because the idea of the 'nation state' is a propagandistic lie and a fabrication of the so-called Enlightenment which has lead us so far astray.This.This is why I prefer to say I'm an identitarian than a nationalist.
>>524181272Copenhauer would immediately recant his fart huffing monologue if he saw the absolute state of the modern world.
>>524192596Forget the world, the state of his own shithole city would be enough, he lived in Frankfurt kek.
>>524189492If you loved peoples so much then you would argue that state instruments, as well as religious ones, should be explicitly subordinate to them, but you seem to be asking for the exact opposite. Curious,
>>524181272He was a retarded that think too highly of himself for a mere technician. He was also a kike prop, who gives a shit about his (((social studies))) (((ideas))).He was just a faggot or he would had btfo on the first bomb test by staying bellow the boom tower.
>>524181272Sounds like you’re getting nervous foreigner, maybe you will learn to shut your fucking mouth
>>524181272nationalism is just gang affiliation. humanity is about GANGS. our families/clans/villages/towns/ethnicities are GANGS. whinging that people who cling to nationalism are this or that is like winging that people have to breathe.
>>524181317Yep. Schopenhauer didn't know jews would destroy and deface and murder and degrade every society on Earth; you sort of want nationalism nowadays to expel jewish money and "morality" (incl. Brown Immigration/anti-white) and little else...
>>524181272I want the poors and retards to be able to afford homes and we should probably kill a few parasites.That's basically it.
>>524191137>Collectivism creates
