The Defiant will be meant as a visible lingering 1st trike threat. Right now, the first strike threat are bombers. Using them however turns on a ticking clock which risks turning diplomacy into brinksmanship/a giant game of chicken and they can’t stay up there forever.The defiant will allow the Navy to park a nuclear threat right off the coast of a nation without the ticking clock and better able to defend itself than a missile sub and with a more flexible mission profile.
its needs a wave-motion gun in the bow desu
"first strike" 100ton ship that takes days to go 50 miles and is a siting duck against drones.
Aircraft carriers already serve this function, and a fuckhuge battleship isn't going to be any less vulnerable to anti ship systems.
>all aboard the new epstine class cruiser, what happens below deck stays below deck.
>>524198884Uss liberty wouldnt have been attacked if it looked like this
>>524198361It serves the same function destoyers do now. Its just an upgrade for existing aging designs.
Large ships are cheaper than more small shipsButDistributed lethality is safer
>>524198752Yeah I'm sure a new modern US battleship will have the anti-drone capabilities of an unarmed Russian POW.Come on now.
>>524198752you can put one of these in harms way and not worry about losing an entire AC's complement of aircraft
>>524198361well if they can get the rail gun to work correctly it can take over the roles of bombers and plans since it the rail gun is supposedly able to fire over a long distance.
>>524198984are you sure about that?
>>524198884>>524198984New yid-spec iff+camo combo system technology.
>>524198361>>524198621https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump-class_battleship
>>524198361How is this first strike if its not even nuclear?
>>524199075I never said that the ship wasn't going to have anti-drone capabilities or even anti anti-ship missile capabilities. I just meant that whatever it does have can likely be installed on aircraft carriers as well, so it's not like this ship is going to be inherently more defensible than carriers, which serve the same purpose the OP is talking about.
>>524199238It'll mount nuclear cruise missiles (that the US doesn't have), a railgun (that the US doesn't have), hypersonics (that the US doesn't have), and lasers (that the US doesn't have).Construction begins immediately (on plans the US doesn't have).Orange retard bests himself at every turn.
Doesn't the first ship of a class typically share the name of the class? Why doesn't Trump want his name on this ship?
>>524199710>nuclear cruise missiles (that the US doesn't have)The Navy first deployed a nuclear-armed sea-launched cruise missile in the mid-1980s, when it placed the TLAM-N—a nuclear-armed version of the Tomahawk land-attack cruise missile—on surface ships and attack submarines. With a range of 2,500 kilometers (about 1,550 miles), the missiles were not included in the limits of U.S.-Soviet arms control agreements.
>>524199623It's supposed to have a rail gun and IF they can get it to work it can supposedly have the ability to strike targets deep in enemy territory. The rounds are supposedly cheaper to build and fire then using conventional aircraft and would be safer and easier then using aircraft to attack targets. But from I remember they have been encountering nothing but problems with the rail guns.
>>524198361Too jewish didn't read.
>>524199890
>>524198361The defiant will never be built, it's a goad to make the Chinese build more massive ships while we build smaller, more capable ones.
>>524199825And these missiles were retired in 2013 at the latest.
>>524200053oh that sucks I guess the technology is lost forever
>>524198361https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002Big ships are really vulnerable in the modern age. In a nutshell, a naval battlegroup can do almost nothing to stop massed salvos of anti-ship missiles and suicide boats.They're still a powerful force projector, but aren't as strong as you might think.
>>524198361We have submarines for that. Countries should assume our finger is always on button pointed at your hospitals and farmland
>>524200128Depends
>>524200128How's the return to the moon?How long did it take Los Alamos to reverse engineer US nuclear warheads?Not forever, no, but there's a history of not maintaining technical documents and expertise on critical technologies. It would likely take years to get this variant of the (horribly obsolete) tomahawk re-engineered.In this case, the US is 50 years behind Russia and China.
>>524199079>you can put one of these in harms way and not worry about losing an entire AC's complement of aircraftno, you put this in harms way and it doesnt get attacked because it has conventional weapons, which makes it less vulnerable
>>524199710>Construction begins immediately (on plans the US doesn't have).In shipyards, that the US doesn't have.
>>524200157What if your opponent isn't Not-Iran, and is instead equipped with Burevestnik and Oreshnik?
>>524200490where was the Ford built?your country is land locked kek
>>524199623>this ship is going to be inherently more defensible than carriersbecause its only weapon is nuclear>>524199854the rail gun and lasers are there to make sure it gets its nukes off if it gets droned
will trump suck clinton off again as part of its maiden voyage?
>>524200411US / China HGV development is pretty comparable>RussiaLOL
>>524200157right, the only purpose to a surface fleet is for nuclear first strike>>524200230boomers are there for second strike or unannounced first strike, they are extremely vulnerable if you know where they are
>>524198361this will never be made and probably cancelled (like many of Trump's orders) once a new admin comes in
>when you announce you're going to build a few naval ships
>>524198361As if the USA still could build a working ship at this point.
>>524200635Oh man the nafo troons are defending Trump now, he really is fucked.
>>524200767all hail the mighty Hungarian flotilla!
Americans have consistently failed by trying to cram excessively demanding requirements into relatively small vessels.Building bigger ships is probably a more successful approach.
>>524200841>Trump having anything to do with the progress of longrunning military R&D projectsI'd say I was confused by your line of thinking, but I know you're some BRICS tankie.
>>524201079Still better than the Canadian navy. We bought 4 used diesel subs from the UK that were laid down in 1983. One caught fire in an accident in 2004 and killed a seaman. Another one was damaged during a training exercised and spent over 10 years laid up being repaired to the tune of nearly a billion dollars.For the billions spent on that garbage deal we could have had the Americans build us one actually good nuclear powered sub that no doubt would be working good at this time.Military procurement in Canada is one of the biggest jokes on the planet. Don't even get me started on the land or air forces.
>>524198361Ok, what about the armor on these new ships? The term "battleship" is getting thrown around, one of the things that separate a battleship from other classes is the amount of armor, specifically belt line armor that these possess. WWII battleships could take an absolute pounding and still be fine. It's something to think about if you're serious about the impact drones can have on a ship.
>>524198361Turbo cope.
>>524201428should have bought from the swedes they make good diesel subs>>524201548don't worry about it you'll never see one of them anyway
>>524198361It seems like its just going to be used to bombard 3rd worlders from the ocean anyways.
>>524201656It's called proxy warfare sweetie it's real war it still counts ok
>>524201428Did you know 2 of them can't even fire torpedoes? We aren't a serious nation anymore. We actually give aide money to nations that have larger navies than we do now.
>>524198621Tell me you know nothing about nuclear deterrence without telling me you know nothing about nuclear deterrence
>>524199163Can a rail gun drop a round over the horizon? That’s be cool af
>>524198361The point is to transfer money from the state into the pockets of some defense contractors. No other point to a fucking battleship 80 years after they were proven obsolete. Provides an ego boost for the orange nigger in charge, and a grift opportunity for defense contractors. Win win for them.
>>524200722This guy gets it
>>524201517battleship is a meme word. the point is to have a visible nuclear platform, its openly a terror weapon. after it launches its nuclear strike it isnt even a priority target, so it just needs enough armor to not get sunk before it launches its strike
>>524200736>Vance—a marine—is going to say no to some of the biggest guns everTry not to swallow your tongue
>>524198361This thing sinking to the bottom of the Taiwan Strait will be a symbol of the end of your country's gay empire for the rest of time.
>>524203837>This thing will be a symbol of the end of your country's gay empire for the rest of time>A FUCKING RAMP
>>524201517It's not reasonable to armor a vessel sufficiently to survive the modern threat environment.
>>524198361the name alone is retarded. Battleships were named after states. Not Defiant. We are not the the royal navy. That's a British battleship name.
>>524203707Have you never heard of a submarine? You don't need a battleship to launch nukes
>>524201164and then you hide it in port all war, right?
>>524204012>USS PUNJAB in honour of the Americans tasked with designing and building it
>>524201255>I have no real response so I am just going to use some NAFO buzzwordsAll your heroes are garbage and now Trump is one of them, you niggers are so fucked
>>524201428>For the billions spent on that garbage deal we could have had the Americans build us one actually good nuclear powered sub that no doubt would be working good at this time.the us doesn't build subs for its client states. it fleeces them of billions to funnel into blackrock under the guise of "shipyard investment" then has congress naturally deem any sub strategically vital.
>>524204298this things role is to be parked in taiwan so china has to nuke taiwan in a nuclear exchange. its meaningless because china doesnt have to have a nuclear exchange, judaeoamerica is collapsing
Very expensive. Build 3 Arleigh Burkes instead, same effect, more coverage and better area of effect.
>>524199176Kek
>>524199227Is that real?
>>524198361How is it going to defend against actual capable enemies who can sink it before it even shows up on their horizon? What the US considers as its "enemies" like Russia and China have very advanced missiles and torpedoes specifically designed to penetrate defense, and both can just rain down hypersonic rockets on it if needs be. Large warships are a meme in modern warfare, entire strike groups were forced to retreat because of the Houthis, a bunch of unequipped sand niggers using conventional missiles to hit aircraft carriers 3 times.>B-b-b-but the nukesThey have nukes too
>>524206698>How is it going to defend against actual capable enemies who can sink it before it even shows up on their horizonbecause attacking the nuclear forces is a first strike and judaeoamerica knows that countries with a future have more to lose in a nuclear exchange
>>524198361This is just a large destroyer!
>>524200128We haven't really "lost" tech, we just lost the competent people (white men) who made tech happen reliably thanks to DEI practices, and that is going to get a LOT worse with the push for H1B Indian replacement. Because Indians have little IQ and everything they do is a scam. They can't code, they can't produce, and they are the end collapse of enshitification processes. It's why jets crash, it's why windows 11 won't allow you to move the taskbar around, it's fucking everywhere. There is plenty of work and no one competent left to do it. Like we know how to do everything, it did get written down. But what good does that do us when Indians can't read it and understand it and practice it? And your girlbosses can't hold them accountable to it either. And we really didn't want to keep that mean old white man tech alive anyway! We need softer, more feminine tech! You don't need that nuke, solve your problems with words!
>>524206810I am sure no one is stupid enough to attack some US ship for no reason (or a Chinese or a Russian one for that matter). The point is that large ships aren't that useful in modern conventional warfare, they were always very heavy and sluggish, and their defenses always relied on other battle ships. Newer missile technologies has rendered all their defenses useless and all its uses obsolete, you can't even use them as a floating rear base for aircraft, because the missiles have ranges that can circumvent the entire planet.
>>524200505America has no effective air defenses against hypersonic missiles, massed missile attacks, or massed drone attacks. America's adversaries cooperated to ensure they all possess all of these.
>>524207556>America has no effective air defenses against hypersonic missilesnobody does
>>524198884Top kek
>>524199781The navy said they would name the last one after him to trick him into ordering more.
>>524207482>large ships aren't that useful in modern conventional warfaredid you see the part where its only meaningful weapon is nuclear and therefore it has nuclear armor
>>524207482see>>524198361>The Defiant will be meant as a visible lingering 1st trike threat
>>524198361They won’t build shit man, forget about it.
Its clear now that some of you have no clue how long it takes to build warship
>>524208811this, the federal government will collapse before this thing launches and its getting sold for scrap by whatever state its built in
>>524198361I'd prefer this Defiant, minus the uppity nigger captain.
The only thing i dont like about the new battleships is that they break the tradition of naming them after states. like cmon.
>>524206854Most battleships are.
>>524198361This is so fucking idiotic, holy shit. Pure prolefeed.All this crap to hide the fact that Russia and China has hypersonic anti-ship missiles and China has dedicated drone carriers while the US doesn't. Its like retards trying to build the biggest and bestest battleship during WW2, when it was already clear that carriers rule the waves.
>>524200564Why muttoids immediately kneerjerk seethe at the flag of the country that BTFO them with valid quesions?
>>524198621>and is a siting duck against drones.It has a railgun, which means a huge amount of the ship is devoted to batteries (or other energy storage), which means it can also power anti-drone lasers.OP's image says it will have only 2 300kW lasers. This is maybe for the first version but it will surely upgrade. With batteries that size I bet we will see 1MW lasers installed on it before long.Lasers rape drones.
>>524203095200 kilometers or even more my nibba.Less if you want actual accuracy
>>524200737100%. This board became unusable nu/pol/ a few years back but lately it’s just 99.99999% shills and retarded shitskins. Even fucking breakroom doesn’t come here anymore >id bet the number of actual anons left is less than 100 and only 5% of them are online at any one time
>>524203095Naval guns could already do that in ww1.
>>524203707Battleship is not a meme word... it denotes the size of the ship and also implies that it uses a gun (which it does... a railgun). But essentially "battleship" just means a surface combatant warship larger than a cruiser which is not an aircraft carrier.
>>524209601>BTFO themyou did no such thing
>>524198884>Golden Dome Navy
>>524209701this thing will melt under a saturation attack which is what drones are good at.its just a floating bomb
>>524210135A 1 MW laser can probably zap 10,000 flimsy ass drones out of the sky in a single swing. From kilometers away.
>>524198361A railgun? Didn't development of those get cancelled a few years ago?
>>524199004mostly right but the rail gun can have a surprise too
>>524210343the ylikely just agreed on limits to barrel size and total energy per shot
>>524210309that has to be the most idiotic thing I've read this week, congrats anon.
>>524198361You can do that with subs you retard.
>>524198361It is to shell Israel's enemies who can't fight back. It is a glorified bulldozer to knock down civilian infrastructure.
Yeah its a waste of money and probably useless in a war but battleships are based
>>524210456Subs aren't nearly as multirole though. These things can be nuclear deterrence, strike group escort, or security patrols.
>>524198361>The defiant will allow the Navy to park a nuclear threat right off the coast of a nationRussia already has that with the underwater perpetual nuclear powered sub missiles lol. Furthermore, I find it hilarious globohomo announced this immediately after they got BTFO from the Red Sea. In any event, these things will just be massive targets.
>>524210102True, the other guy did, then you raged hard.>>524210452They probably still believe the propaganda that was fed to them, that lasers are good against drones.>>524210523Who might be those enemies, seeing that even the houthis managed to chase away the US navy?
>>524210532Trump is actually kind of tackling on the issue of>What comes next after the aircraft carrier?Whether it's from misplaced nostalgia or the guy is actually aware of the issue, is probably a>Whatever, we'll take what we can getfrom the brass.
>>524210343they work, it's just what's the usecase of obliterating spics in duck tape boats with a bunch of power that blows it's expensive capacitors
>>524210637ok
>>524210637Whatever goyim are on Jewish land. Palestinians. Syrians. Whoever.
>>524210700I'm sure they work. I've seen the videos of the old prototypes firing. I just thought the navy abandoned developing them.
>>524210700Typical globohomo shit. Develop a retarded wunderwaffen, can’t make enough of whatever it is anyway to be actually useful in war. Lol
>>524198361>5" gunsWhat is this shit? Literally smaller than my dick.
>>524198361Okay so why do we want the US to have these gayass bullying capabilities?
>>524210637lasers are good against drones, but people treat them like a wonder weapon. they have massive limitations in reality.
>>524198361Rail Gun my ass
>>524210869We don’t want it or need it, but the globohomo jews do for empire jew games. It’s probably a moot point regardless, considering globohomo has essentially no shipbuilding capabilities in any real way.
>>524210672Aircraft carriers are probably going to become irrelevant in a drone based world but its whether you need something so big as an easy to hit target or hundreds of small ships that can field a drone swarm
I'm not opposed to an American Kirov-class equivalent, and I do see some utility. There's efficacy to the concept. I just don't think modern America has the ability to actually make complex things anymore. I don't trust Juan Gonzalez to build it, I don't trust Sukdeep Shitdik to program it, and I don't trust Captain Shiniwuia LaBowfa-Washington to crew it.
>>524198361>non nuclear propulsion Ah, gay. It needs at least 4 lasers mounted high, and another 2 rail gun turrets for the asthetic.
>>524211206We've got PLENTY of smart white men to do each of these roles. Now is this cuntry worth it? Doubtful we see what what happens when libs are steering the ship. They put degens at the helm.
>>524210944The real reason is probably trying to entice new chum into joining the navy with a "cool" ship while trying to restart domestic shipbuilding, cause China having 200 times of your dockyard capacity is just too obvious sign of decline to ignore. Probably it will just end up like another frivolous waste of taxpayer money with zero practical benefits or applications, just like the Zumwalt, which were designed entirely around the concept of naval gunfire support to shell browns, then they lobbied to use a special weapon that used 150.000 dollar shells and couldnt accept any other type of ammunition. But then the crafty navy decided to save some cash on not buying any for them.>>524211206If you check, literally every single workhorse equipment of the US armed forces, F-16s, Arleigh Burkes, tanks, small arms, trucks, bombers everything decent was designed during the 50s-60s-70s by white men. Everything after the late 80s has been overdesigned, expensive star wars shit and completely fucking useless in a war, even against goat herders in the desert, much less against a possible peer opponent. Desert Storm and its effects destroyed american military decisionmaking for decades, and replaced it with an obsession of (very profitable) chasing of technology.
>>524199227>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump-class_battleshiphttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_UniversitySCAMhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Entertainment_ResortsBANKRUPThttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Entertainment_ResortsBANKRUPThttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_ShuttleBANKRUPThttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Plaza_Hotel_and_CasinoBANKRUPThttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trump_Taj_MahalBANKRUPTTrump Castle Hotel and Casino BANKRUPTGOOD LUCK SAILORS OF THE USS TRUMP OF CLASS TRUMP YOU'LL NEED IT
>>524212640>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump-class_battleshipKING CRINGE
>>524198361Tell Trump what everything less than 3km in length is for cucks witn small hands.
>>524198361These battleships aren't big enough. We need to surpass 80 tons.
>>524198621I heard its only about 40ton :(
>>524198621drones largely aren't used in naval warfare (or another way to say this is that the primary drones are antiship missiles not dudes with dji grenades)you are genuinely an idiot that doesn't understand anything you're talking aboutnext you'll unironically tell us that battleships were replaced by carriers so there's no reason to build a battleship, because you genuinely don't fucking understand anything you're talking about, you just parrot shit you heard once, you are a leftist and a dumb fuck
>>524198361>park a nuclear threat right off the coast of a nationlandlocked countries ftw.
>>524211034Carriers are on the way out imo, not in their entirety but they won't be such priority targets anymore nor so vital to the fleetsa missile is simply more efficient than a jet. You don't need a carrier with all the bells and whistles, you just need realtime ISR and missiles with long enough rangeWhich means you want cruisers (or in this case battleships) with a small vertical takeoff drone/jet for ISR and lots of missiles and that gets 90% of the job done for 1/1000th the price. Carriers will just become drone launchers that can dispense long range fast ISR assets (and niche drones for things like electronic warfare) to target for the missile ships that do all the killing
>>524198361Where do you put the porcupines?
>>524213318it's planned to be armed with ICBM's, so one of these battleships could nuke you from the exact opposite side of the planet if needed/wantedsuch missiles won't be the hypersonic type that russia/china have however, the main distinction is that those maneuver at incredibly high speed in the atmosphere, these will just enter the atmosphere at really high speed without maneuvering in the atmosphere, so they're a little easier to shoot down
>>524210135don't they need a platform to launch drones from or do they just appear from the ocean undetected?
>>524204012Trump revived "battleship" only to fellate his ego.Trump-class Battleship is more of his personal lighthouse project than actual military use.>be zion don>2nd term go full mao tier dictator tyrant>want his name & existence immortalized in US history & presidency>plaster everything on WH with gold ornaments, literal bimbofication of WH>plaster his name on every building. no different than commie tyrants putting their photos everywhere.>not enough, got an idea. Immortalize his name in military>but naming himself on aircraft carrier is too mainstream generic, he thinks he's bigger & higher than Gerard Ford>saw Iowa, got an idea to stand unique>Eureka: "Trump-class battleship", All these BB names will be words associated with Trump's personality: USS Defiant, USS Liberty, USS Rich, USS Dealmaker, USS Triumph, USS never involved in Epstein IslandNext, he'll propose supersonic presidential jetliner. Force Boeing to revive SST and make it his personal presidential plane.>>524207556defenses against feral citizens, illegal immigrants, cheating legal immigrants are more important than any military defenses. chinks only need to do nothing to win against US while niggers chimping out on the streets, somalians leeching the welfares, indians cheating the immigration system & commit racial nepotism everywhere to win corporate & political lobby for their racial preference, and jews.
>>524214046I wonder how many drones you could take with mega shotgun? Like the old punt guns but bigger.
>>524198361>1 gun with 1 barrel>conventional missiles>8 point defense weaponskek what is the point
>>524215361Trump is destroying the illusionI think that is the point to get people to ask these questions they have never thought to ask before
>>524215139One. You have no idea how drone swarms work, do you?
