>The concept Schizophrenia is so diffuse as to be useless in the scientific context and it can't be reliably diagnosed i.e the intra-reliability statistical kappa score is .46 instead of >=.70. Scientifically it is game over -- it is pointless to look for genetic causes or brain defect correlates.>There are no lab tests that prove without a shadow of a doubt, with unarguable numbers, why or how mental illness exists. Because you can't UN-subjectively diagnose mental illness, any write up of mental illness is unscientific and based on pure conjecture, categorizing, and opinion.>How did we normalize doctors classifying people with severe, stigma inducing disorders based off rudimentary check lists?>Can you imagine a doctor saying "you're acting/behaving like you have diabetes/cancer/etc so that's your diagnosis "? >Because that to me is very similar to what psychiatrists do: and then prescribe dangerous drugs for a non provable condition. THAT is what's actually insane, ironically.https://www.reddit.com/r/Antipsychiatry/comments/17q3oi7/is_psychiatry_a_pseudoscience/So how do we get rid of psychiatry as a field of medicine, and with it all the psych wards and red flag laws etc., along with banishing from the public mind the idea that psychiatry is real or ever was real?Mental illnesses exist only in the sense of people feeling unless in the mind, that's it. There is no objective definition of a mental disorder like there is of a physical disorder. And really, most mental unwellness is just people in shitty situations adapting their thinking, attitudes, and behavior to shitty situations, like people in poverty becoming "depressed" and therefore risk averse and laying low as a way to protect themselves.
Of course it doesn't exist, it's mental
It's a mental illness
>>524244482>Maths is the Queen of the sciences and the DSM is called the 'diagnostic and statistics manual' but if you crack open the DSM you will notice it has very little maths , in it, and the DSM-5 field trials were a failure -- they show psychiatric 'disorders' can't reliably be diagnosed statistically :>Psychiatry is 100% pseudo-scientific humbug and psychiatrists are mentally retarded at maths.
>But Haven’t Brain Scans and Genetic Research Proven Brain Disease? Published in the journal Neuron in 2022, Raymond Dolan—considered one of the most influential neuroscientists in the world—co-authored “Functional Neuroimaging in Psychiatry and the Case for Failing Better,” concluding, “Despite three decades of intense neuroimaging research, we still lack a neurobiological account for any psychiatric condition.” Reflecting on the more than 16,000 neuroimaging articles published during the last 30 years, Dolan and his co-authors concluded: “It remains difficult to refute a critique that psychiatry’s most fundamental characteristic is its ignorance. . . . Casting a cold eye on the psychiatric neuroimaging literature invites a conclusion that despite 30 years of intense research and considerable technological advances, this enterprise has not delivered a neurobiological account (i.e., a mechanistic explanation) for any psychiatric disorder, nor has it provided a credible imaging-based biomarker of clinical utility.>”What about genetic correlates to “serious mental illnesses”? A 2020 study in Schizophrenia Bulletin reported that no genetic variants have been found to predict schizophrenia; as no significant difference was found in the genetic variance of people with a diagnosis of schizophrenia and people without such a diagnosis. Similarly, examining mood disorders, a 2021 investigation published in the Journal of Affective Disorders (that included 5,872 cases and 43,862 controls, and examined 22,028 genes), reported that the study “fails to identify genes influencing the probability of developing a mood disorder” and “no gene or gene set produced a statistically significant result.”
Well, honestly the same way you can tell if anything is a sham, follow the money. Big pharma, the medical industry, and the health insurance industry are all in cahoots with each other.Same as how when you go to the doctor knowing what’s physically wrong with you, they won’t listen to you, and proceed to run up stupid tests until that sweet sweet insurance runs dry, sometimes as much as hundreds of thousands of dollars. Or like how they were “incentivized” to overprescribe powerful fucking opiates and pretend to wonder why half the country is addicted to heroin/fentanyl now that they’ve walked it back. The majority of rehab facilities are just insurance/pharma grifts as well. Right before I lost my coverage my dad convinced me to go see a doctor about depression/anxiety, and the guy spend all of 5 minutes asking vague questions before prescribing me an antidepressant that did fuck all but make my body tingle when I stood up and develop a strange passion for shoplifting. When that didn’t work he just kept testing out other ssri’s when i think therapy would have been clutch. Ofc I couldn’t afford that anyway so their answer was to just put me on random meds until I hopefully fall for a placebo effect.
>>524245014This is all before looking at shady orgs like autism speaks and the like, literally not even founded or run by people with autism, just some grandparents or someone who does that have no understanding and wish to “fix” it. There’s no fucking perfect human, I don’t even know what they’re basing their “chemical imbalance” opinions off of, considering they typically only study drug effects on white males before the FDA approves them. That’s a pretty small and uselessly specific sample size to be claiming these things are safe. Westerners’ trust in their capitalist institutions is fucking insane to me, like how are you going to talk about the morality of mental healthcare when the entire infrastructure is based on a profit motive? Christ, we are so far down the rabbit hole I don’t think we’re ever coming back. Let’s just keep prescribing amphetamines to people with poor work ethics, and pretend that attention deficit issues have nothing to do with the rise of social media and other tech companies that aim to spark little hits of dopamine by obsessively scrolling through posts and short videos all day. And let’s keep pretending like autism is a disorder and not just a symptom of society’s internal contradictions with basic human nature. Anxiety can’t be caused by the sense of dread that comes with being warned of impending societal collapse 50 times a day, or the fact you need two full time jobs to rent a shitty apartment anymore…no, no. It’s a YOU problem. Obesity? Nah it’s not all the heavily processed garbage poor people are forced to eat or the hormonal manipulation of the animals we consume, or the dependency on vehicles and technology, sitting in offices 8 hours a day, the random pills they feed us, etc etc, nah it’s because you’re lazy or genetically predisposed to weight gain….i’m pulling my hair out over here
Don't be Surprised if Lobotomies and Asylums Return (ECT already has and Asylums partly)Don't be surprised if the Lobotomy returns.The Psychs will of course rebrand it, it will have a Scientific sounding name, obscuring it's horror.Something like:"Precision Targetted Neurohomeostatic Attenuation Surgery"It will correct so-called developmental maladaptive neural circuitry that leads to obsessiveness, rumination, psychotic propensity, emotional instability, executive function difficulties. Unlike the historic lobotomy it will be a much more advanced procedure making use of the enormous scientific advances Psychiatry has made..And of course in certain circumstances, when the Doctor deems it absolutely necessary, sometimes it will be done non consensually for the patient's benefit.Or it will be done "consensually" because the patient has spent years on section or court order and has lost all will to live, vesting his last hopes in this.If you want to know what it will be like, watch the film "Get Out".It's coming! Mark my words!
>SCHIZOPHRENIA ISN'T REAL I'M COMPLETELY NORMALnice try schizo
>>524245705Schizophrenia cannot even be defined in ways where studies consistently identify the same people as schizophrenic.Dementia exists, and that's all schizophrenia is. Originally, what today is called schizophrenia was called Dementia Praecox, or premature dementia, meaning it struck younger people as opposed to senile dementia.Hallucinations, bizarre beliefs about persecution: all symptoms of dementia. Schizophrenia is just dementia in younger people. It's not a chemical imbalance; it's a dying brain.
>>524245705That's unironically how psychiatric "research" has been conducted, in the past atleast. If your thought patterns don't support the hypothesis, you're wrong and insane or lying at best.
>>524244482the world itself has gone insane, and I blame people like sigmund freud.https://www.brighteon.com/d2d80db5-a9f0-4c87-a89a-af9ccd961e52
There are some psychological disorders that are hard to pin down and ascribe a set pattern of characteristics.Schizophrenia isn't one of them, it is very clear from a psychiatric point of view when someone is a schizophrenic. I diagnose my best friend with it when we were teenagers because I was the only one who he told enough about his inner experience to see how much it was distorted. Then when he was 25 he had a full break, got institutionalized, and got diagnosed with the very thing I said he had.I also seem to attract sociopaths (people with cluster-b personality disorders), and I identify most of them fairly quickly. Again, people with genuine diagnoses that they haven't shared with anyone else.Perceptual disorders, personality disorders, and affective disorders are mostly real, and the ambiguity only exists on the periphery, ie. with the appropriately named borderline personality disorder, or with things like depression or anxiety which are often due to life circumstances or masking other conditions.My point is this: you're delusional, you're coping, and you're almost definitely schizophrenic.So why not abandon all this cope-y bullshit and just tell us about your delusions or hallucinations?Do you hear people who are there talking about you?Do you think people are trying to poison you?How about gang-stalking? I bet you're a gang-stalking victim.I bet the people who are gang-stalking you sometimes send you special messages through tv shows and music and sometimes news articles.
>>524244482>doesn't even have an operational definitionI gave it one...but yeah, youre right, thats why I focused my thesis on it. Those fucks knew nothing but external symptom observations and catagorization.Tell'em. Fuckin' tell'em all.
>>524244482This is a real problem with psychology and psychiatry, but you're simultaneously overblowing it and ignorant of further developments. While, yes, we can't just reach inside a brain (yet) and determine the physical processes governing something like schizophrenia, it's not like we have zero information. Behaviors, both physical and verbal, give windows into a patient's experience. But these days, the patient himself is king of his own world. Clinical psychiatry has moved long past the days where the patient is an unreliable narrator of his own experience. In many ways, he is the ONLY narrator of what it means to be him, and everything he says is clinical data.Lots of the field is moving away from the exact thing you're outlining: a label and a disease which they then become. It is actually a misunderstanding of how diagnoses work to even say someone "is" a schizophrenic. Diagnoses are labels for patterns which enough people express such that a shorthand is necessary. There is no actual unifying experience of any mental disease because everyone experiences it differently and we have no empirical way to experience these things for our patients.
>>524244482It's simply a demon trying to force you into a contract
>>524244482>Can you imagine a doctor saying "you're acting/behaving like you have diabetes/cancer/etc so that's your diagnosis "?Yes, it was done for AIDShttps://rumble.com/v2elooo-kary-mullis-on-the-the-aids-scam-and-azt-zidovudine-poisoning-killing-of-ai.html?e9s=src_v1_s%2Csrc_v1_s_o&sci=f2869e60-15ee-4143-a951-01b35b2b9679
>>524244482I've always thought psychiatry should really have been treated like reading was by the Catholic church in the middles ages and how technology is treated in 40k. The amount of self diagnosis shite you hear people talk is unreal and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy which ruins their quality of life. Just look at the amount of people who say they are bipolar, OCD or have adhd and then subconsciously try to live the template. The general public should be kept away from this kind of stuff because they are too stupid to handle it without destroying themselves.
>>524244482>>524244546>>524244587We're over 100 year deep in jewish aristocracy (demons) lies.All the psychologists and psychiatrists are merely backdoor law enforcement (foremen for the bankers' scam).All wars are fought for money conquering as economy is the true dominator of warfare.As long as you participate in the US dollar arena, they own you.
>>524246177see>>524245987
>>524246426That is kinda the unavoidable consequence of care being gatekept behind checklists. If you want help for your say anxiety, you need to have your narrative in check that fits the diagnostic criteria or they can slap you with a diagnosis that doesn't reflect you in the slightest. I was too naive to do that and now I have a social phobia diagnosis, but in real life I have zero issues for performing for audiences of hundreds of people. They just have some narrative in the system that gets repeated over and over, and nobody actually bothers to ask the actual patient if has any resemblance to reality.
>>524244482>>524244777>>524245014>>524245027>>524245305>>524245987Man it’s people like you anon that keep me coming back to this shithole. Have a bump.
>>524244482my kinda thread. i hate psychiatry with passion. i'm on cto right now and am being 'treated' against my will. these people all suck extremely hard.
>>524246177> Do you think people are trying to poison you?We ARE actively being poisoned, but I think you know that and were speaking in the paranoid context. None of the shit in your last paragraph applies to me and I agree with OP 100%, and I have a decade of experience working in medicine and I left the field cause of how fucked it is. Bait or Jewish. 3/10 for making me reply
>>524244482Freud was based
>>524244482Psychiatry is not a pseudoscience, lobotomy and involuntary commitment works, and with modern tools would work even better. Psychology is however is complete bullshit.
>>524247777Yooo nice digits Dragan
>how do we get rid of psychiatryYou'll have to get rid of global pharmaceutical corporations, first.(yes they're the main loadbearing pillar of the medical school-food-pharma-NIH-insurance industrial complex
>>524247830Thank you Yeshua
>>524244482guy looks like Netanyahu
>>524244482my mother has a hoarding disorder. i've told her to seek treatment. the only reasons she refuses to seek treatment is because she worked in a jail before and said "i've seen how they look, they look like they're drooling on that medication.". I feel so sorry for her because she's so confused. I have no idea how to help her.
This thread doesn't really make sense schizophrenia has a strong genetic Link: 50% probability If both parents have IT so obviously the phenomenon exists
I knew it was a fucking american before i opened the thread. Stay in hell.
>>524247414Thank youIt's good that some people still put interesting content here and on other parts of the interwebs.
>>524247523Psychiatry is the only branch of "medicine" with the right to take away your rights, and unlike prison, they can hold you as long as they want.Psychiatry, I suspect, was born as a tool for social control: a way to enforce conformity of thought and behavior for the purposes of the industrial state, which makes far more unnatural demands on people's lives than the old agrarian societies, where 80+ percent of people were farmers, ever did.Even feudal serfs set their own schedules and worked according to them. The modern "job" where you work according to industrial time, timed to the minute, didn't exist in history until about the past century and a half.With the industrial revolution, a new level of social control, much more restrictive than anything before, became necessary. So psychiatry grew up and was adopted as a means to enforce conformity in the industrial context.
>>524247726>We ARE actively being poisoned, but I think you know that and were speaking in the paranoid context. None of the shit in your last paragraph applies to me and I agree with OP 100%, and I have a decade of experience working in medicine and I left the field cause of how fucked it is.Would you like to explain some of the fucked up things you saw in today's medicine?My mom recently died from Stage 1 cancer due to a fuckup by her oncologist. So I am very curious about such things, i.e. the current state of medicine, especially in the US.
>>524247777Freud was right about denial and projection as common defense mechanisms, and his theory in Civilization and Its Discontents is generally quite good, where he says that as civilization advances, it makes more and more unnatural demands on humans that deviate ever further from our millions-year-long Stone Age evolutionary programming, so high, modern civilization produces more discontentment and requires more social control mechanisms, hard and soft in nature, and more "sublimation" of basic drives into higher pursuits like art and science.All his weird sex stuff, though, is hard to swallow.
>>524247806And I'm guessing you want antisemites lobotomized and involuntarily committed?Also, Jews played a BIG ROLE in creating psychology and psychiatry.
>>524248734See my comment above. Schizophrenia is just younger-person dementia, which does exist, though schizophrenia as a mental illness somehow distinct from a brain illness or neurological disease doesn't exist.
>>524250248You could literally just look up what a CT scan of a dementia patient looks like versus one of someone with schizophrenia and realize that you're completely and trivially wrong. It's so easy to be in line with actual research here instead of completely wrong. Why do you choose to be completely wrong?
>>524250343And there is no scan diagnosis of schizophrenia, just subjective patient reports, hence no objective clinical criteria. A supposed disease lacking objective criteria for diagnosis, like germs found in a blood test or a mass found in a PET/CT scan or brain deterioration found in a PET/CT scan, should be treated with deep skepticism and likely not admitted as an actual diagnosable illness. Standards for diagnosis have been watered down across the medical discipline in recent generations. And just because schizophrenia does not resemble senile dementia on a brain scan, this does not mean it is not a form of dementia, which just means being "un-minded" in Latin, which psychosis indeed is a form of.Like sociology, psychology has a very long way to go before becoming a hard science, or any science at all if we want to be rigorous about what qualifies as a science, as compared with, say, particle physics, chemistry since quantum mechanics, molecular biology, or geology.
>>524245027Based. Ily anon great posts. Similar life to me. Shit
>>524244482freud is more real than modern psychiatry thoughevidence-based my ass, you clowns dont even know what an "antidepressant" is supposed to be
>>524246177Paranoid schizophrenia, what you're referring to in your post is just one subtype of schizophrenia. I'm diagnosed as schizophrenic and yet I've never had hallucinations and I don't have severe ideas of reference which could be classified as delusions. OP is right, probably the only thing common in various manifestations of schizophrenia are dementia or mental deterioration and social isolation due to emotional alienation. I have 16 years of experience as a mental patient and I agree 100% with what OP has posted in this thread so far. Diagnosis and treatment is 100% based on patient self-report and subjective judgment.
>>524250125Only if you admit that antisemitism is a mental illness.
>>524248719To fix her is to remove her from the environment and the other is to destroy her environment.
>>524244482We're in a great position right now to topple psychiatry. The trans bubble has finally burst and people are rightfully angry that they were able to get away with it for so long and hurt so many vulnerable people.Evolutionary psychology will take over, it's the chemistry to psychiatry's alchemy.
>>524254503For whom?The victim of semitism?
>>524255026Persecutory delusion is a valid diagnosis.
>>524255262Unless you procede is what everyone says about antisemitism, they say this things but harm no semite
>>524256057Ah, so the semites harm themselves
>>524244482there is a lab test for schizophrenia. it is called a genetic screening for ashkenazi genes. nice try you super mega mondo schizoid ultrajew. even the (((normal))) kikes think they are being gangstalked by the entire planet, that's why they're always screeching about how everything is like the holocaust
