So who made god?
jews
>>524268031Man did
>>524268031God is the universe reflecting upon itself. So are you.
>>524268031Merry Christmas.Sorry you’re alone today and no one loves you, but remember, God does.
>>524268031jews
>>524268166If I'm alone how is God here?Sounds like you lied
>>524268031> so who made godDunno! But its easier to believe that nothingness suddenly exploded and became the opposite of nothingness
800 million years ago, the strongest alpha from many 15 member primate tribes none of which who trusted any other, got together to take down the common threat big predator, and after the high fives from the discovery of the amplification of power from joint strike fighting, started encoding information about proper behavior for the prior preparation that prevents piss poor performance so that we all can survive.When Grug used a rock to etch the shape of the predator onto the tree bark, stone, or cave wall, there is the origin of God, the nanosecond where the rock in the hand came into contact with the stone tablet and created the etch that communicated:"predator""Spear""many grug"AttackEat, share, encode again. That's what evolved into the first lectern. Which then evolved into God.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjVXNm7ByMQ
imagine worshipping a kike who made shitskins
>>524268031>I drew you as fat and me as jackedThis is the only argument I ever see anymore.
>>524268031>things exist>therefore Jews are Gods who created everything!Yes, I can't comprehend the Christcuck mind.
>>524268031>So who made god?You have to be 18+ to post here>no why not answerBecause there are literally plenty of books on the subject and it's Christmas Eve>inb4 christcuckZoroastrian>why Christmas EveBecause chocolate and family, fuck you
>The Art of Purpose>AI SlopHow poetic. Which third world country is that account based in?
>>524269404It's the best they can manage.
>>524268031"Made" implies causality. Causality requires spacetime, which God made. Your question is a logical paradox which assumes God answers to spacetime. Rejecting this premise solves the paradox. Ergo, the concept of "making" didn't exist before God made the universe. You're a Flatlander asking what coordinate the sphere is on when its not there.
>>524269856Atheists believe monotheism is polytheism with one god though
>>524268031He did what any self-respecting Supreme being would do and created Himself.
>semiramis
>>524270267What gets me is that the question of "what made God" doesn't even work from a skeptic or non-theistic stance since if you replace "God" with "the first mover," nothing about the core paradox the argument presents is different, and it still has non-supernatural explanations.Logically, anything that created the universe exists ourside of our universe's confines of spacetime, and string theory puts forward the idea of higher dimensions. It's perfectly reasonable for someone, religious or naturalist, to believe in higher dimensions where "something" can exist on a level above us, so the question, no matter which angle you approach it, is retarded.All it really does is try to propose an infinite causality model, which can be answered with "what caused the Big Bang?"
>>524270267>Atheists believedry watervirgin whoreShow me monotheism. The Abrahamic form of mental disease is monolatry. Yahweh literally says 'have no gods before me.' There are other gods in those retarded, sandnigger books. Durrrrrrr
>>524270859>There are other gods in those retarded, sandnigger booksThere really aren't. They're demons posing as idols.
>>524270780Exactly>>524270859>atheist whining about Abrahamicism>getting pedantic over the word believe instead of the pointYou embarrass yourself
>>524269660Unfortunately, this AIjeet is homegrown.American evangelicals fucking love AIslop, so I'm not particularly surprised by this.
>>524269824He sacrificed his life in society and talking to people. Never showed his face in society or spoken again, is that even living ?
>noooo I can't answer, just believe
>>524268031The question you are asking is turtles all the way down. Infinite regression. Nobody knows because the very concept not only breaks the laws of physics, but breaks even knowledge, logic and religion. Every action in our universe happens because of an action that happened before it, which caused it. So every action is really just a reaction. So if we rewind to the beginning, there must have been one thing that started it all. But then.. what started that? Nothing? Well if it was nothing, then it couldn't have happened.. If something did start it, then what started the thing that started it? And so on.. If you say that its infinite and its always been happening.. then how long has it been going on until now? Has an infinite amount of time passed? Thats clearly not possible.
>>524271039>thinking that semantics aren’t important to the Bible>the Bible is open to subjective interpretation when it benefits meOk and who is being pedantic? The point isn’t if god exists or not, the point is are the social rules from this book actually from god. The answer is no. Can you believe in god and not follow the Bible? Is there a measurable amount of actionable christianity you must engage in to get into heaven, or is it based on god’s decision alone? Sounds like a lot of bullshit written by people in order to gain power over others. All religions lie and subsist off lying. That is objectively true.
>>524274305Tome it's just christ cucks presupposing an answer then being upset when you press them, full women brain
>>524268031We literally have ape men still walking around today.
>>524276135Yee, and they get podcasts evenGEICO is proud
>>524268031>>524268105That atheist on the left is clearly a jew
>>524268031He is real, and he is British
>>524272156>JESUS BECAME NEET FOR YOUR SINSThat's a new one
>>524268031>monkeys
>>524275995You have to be 18+ to post hereAnd literateWhy are you asking me about the Bible?
>>524268031Wasn't it scientifically confirmed recently that awhile back it was discovered that we had some kinda DNA copyright protection type shit in our bodies that confirmed we could have never have evolved from anything else but humans, and it was hidden because of the damage it would cause?
>>524268031The jewish God is fake and gay and is 2300 years old at most. I came from apes, I was not created by some donkey headed sandnigger egregore
>>524268031I hate AI for enabling retards to easily generate infinite variants of "NO U" comics to feed their egoes.
>>524268031No one. God always was.
>>524277465This, it's nonsensical to apply cause-and-effect to the mind that wrote the rule in the first place.
>>524273401I can.You are a created being.God is eternal, having no beginning or end.You exist in time, unable to move backward, or stop, continually advancing to the end.God made time. He can interact in any part of it as He wills. His view of the parade of time is like an aerial observer of a parade. Those in the parade see only what is near them. The observer sees it all at once.You assume that your view is the natural one for all beings to have. It is not.God is I AM. That describes His nature. His nature is to exist. Ours is not. There is a point before which we did not exist.Your pride of knowledge keeps you from learning any true wisdom.God offers you wisdom, but you must learn it His way.Repent for the End is nigh.John 14:6 >Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
>>524277917Your answer is a very convoluted way of saying "it just works because it just does".
>>524278292>Your answer is a very convoluted way of saying "it just works because it just does".Well, clearly your brain doesn't.Don't you have some light bulbs to screw in with your friends?
>>524278292> it just works because it just doesThis has been the conclusion of every learned man, across all history and cultures
>>524268031God is eternal. If He is eternal, He always existed. Atheist minds can't understand that
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>>524268031No one, God was never made. It's the uncaused first cause. It's responsible for creating time, therefore it exists prior to and outside of the concept of time.
>>524277917meds
>>524269267evolution is concerned with genetic success. it doesn't care about the truth value of the concepts it promotes. just their utility in promoting genetic fitness. if a falsehood helps an organism squirt inside another organism during peak fertility, that will be selected for.
>>524278506>medsWhy do atheists believe that psychological confinement and torture are the proper response to people calling them on their bullshit?It's not our fault that you are stupid.
ITT: christkeks coping and just saying erm god was always there chud
>>524272156>Never showed his face in society or spoken againHow do you know for sure he came back to life then? Checkmate christcuck
>>524268105this
>>524274305The fact that infinite regression is impossible is what confirms that God does and must exist. The two positions are mutually exclusive. If you don't believe in a first cause, you are posting infinite regression. If don't believe in infinite regression, then you are affirming a first cause. You have to have one of these two views. There is no third position.
>>524268111Figuring out why is what will really bake your noodle
>>524278364Alright, I'll humor you. The problem with your argument is that it boils down to "you can't know how God works, so it's possible he just makes everything fit". But I can turn it right on its head. We have no clue what happened at "the beginning", our current physics break down there. So who is to say that there wasn't a definite beginning? If we can't fathom how the universe started, then it might all just happen to make sense without a god.>>524278368No it hasn't. The world having a beginning and end has, theologically, been a Zoroastrian invention. A lot of cultures, Greeks included, believed in "eternal return", or a world that's eternal and follows a roughly matching loop, with infinite Aristotles and Platos in it.
>>524268031you are god and you are a reality warping aryan nazi norse monke with enlightenment and i am your angel get it through you're fucking head
>>524277022That sounds like something who only has a middle school level of understanding of what DNA is and does would write
>>524268031Honestly christniggers are pathetic.
>>524278794>our current physics break down thereYou're trying to use physics to answer a metaphysical question. You have to use pure logic if you want to understand how cause and effect work and where they lead, you can't merely use the animal senses. This is what's called "leaving the cavern". Logic is primary. Not sense data. And logic says that there absolutely must be a definite first cause that exists outside of time, because a first cause by nature would be perfect, and anything perfect is infinite, and anything infinite is eternal, and anything eternal is prior to time, because it's the author of time.
>>524268031Did our universe come from another universe? And where did that one come from? Is it turtles all the way down? Did our universe come from nothing and have no cause? The only logical idea is that causality is fake and gay
>>524271000Good goy
>>524279018>a first cause by nature would be perfect, and anything perfect is infinite, and anything infinite is eternal, and anything eternal is prior to time, because it's the author of time.You're guilty of the same thing here. You're trying to describe something outside mundane human conditions by stringing together words that describe mundane human concepts and hoping they fit nicely. You can't hope to figure out the truth by mincing words in a vacuum and more than you can hope to recreate modern physics, chemistry or biology the same way.
>>524274305>The question you are asking is turtles all the way down. Infinite regression. Nobody knows because the very concept not only breaks the laws of physics, but breaks even knowledge, logic and religion.Plenty of things are infinite, like numbersYahweh0 could have been created by Yahweh1, who in turn was created by Yahweh2, and so on
>>524279275No, I'm not. There are time tested logical proofs for each and every one of those statements. If you want to know more you ought to read Plotinus. This is a solved question. Not only did he know that the world was made up of atoms, but he accurately described the electron. You can arrive at immutable physical truths using logic and nothing more, because this world is built on logical principles. It's as solved and objective as mathematics, or geometry. If every effect has a cause, then there is by necessity a first cause. That first cause will have an array of properties necessary for its existence, such as being infinite.
>>524279451>Not only did he know that the world was made up of atoms, but he accurately described the electron.Give me a citation here. This sounds more like Muslims explaining post-factum how their prophet knew it all. Plus, what good is it that one philosopher stumbled on a kind of sort of correct answer when he had to tools to demonstrate to everyone else that he's in the right?
>>524279441Technically, the classical definition for 'infinite' is 'that to which nothing more can be added'. Numbers aren't infinite, but they do progress infinitely because you can always add another. Or to put it another way, true infinity means "all at once in the same instance", whereas numbers are piecemeal, only being added successively one after the other. Under that definition, the Good itself is the only true infinite, which is why it can't be fully comprehended by human intellect.
>>524278673Cause youI'm way too marxist to be a chud
>>524268111spbp
>>524279018>>524279451The problem I have with all this Neoplatonism and similar shit iis that these are very abstract ideas about how there must be a perfect Good/Beauty that preceded the universe and whatever else, but if you grant them any credence, that is immediately turned into>And that's why you should believe in this Jewish volcano god who can't overcome iron chariots and his son Yeshua who was a human at the same time(?) but also God himself rather than just his son (??) and he died (???) as a sacrifice to himself (????) to cleanse humanity of original sin (?????) but then he rose himself from the dead (??????) but you can't see him because he only stayed around in secret for like a month at most and only visited supporters and then he went straight to heaven (???????)Same shit as the ontological proof, you're given these very vague concepts about totally abstract things and then the Christian you're talking to somehow through pil-pul magic turns that into proof for the magical sky guy who said you shouldn't eat a cheeseburger and once appeared as a burning bush. Even if I granted any of this shit, which I don't since it seems like pure speculation, it has nothing to do with the Christian god I'm certainly having shoved in my face other than as a plausible defense for why there might be something you could describe as a God at all.And Christians only ever talk to atheists and doubters about this kind of crap. When they're preaching to each other it's all about how the Bible is literally true and Jesus actually did strike a tree dead with Jesus magic powers. These logical rhetorical farts are only brought out when the Christian senses he's going to be asked for proof he doesn't possess and never will.
>>524279623Plotinus's description of the electron is basically that since everything is made up of multiple parts, that whatever is simpler must be prior to that which is most complex. When this chain of cause and consequence is followed, eventually you arrive at something that's so simple it's indivisible. But anything that simple approaches perfection, because being dependent upon nothing is the same as being whole and self-fulfilled, which is the same as perfection and timelessness. He explains that such a particle would be half in-time and half outside of time, due to its perfect nature. Which is exactly how the electron behaves, now that we've had a chance to observe it. If you want to know more, you can read The Enneads. But it wasn't just Plotinus, all of the pre-Socratics knew about atoms and they knew that the world was built of atoms. They were all able to explain it logically and prove it without doubt. This is simply because of the logical axiom "ex nihili nihil fit", or "from nothing, nothing comes". Since it's impossible for anything to be made out of nothing or to become nothing, they knew that that must mean that the visible world was made up of particles too small for the eye to see. They didn't stumble upon the atom, they proved it using basic logical axioms. These same logical axioms were further used by Plato to prove the existence of a first cause, as well as explain many of its properties such as its inherent goodness.
>>524268031>So who made God?FtfyAgain with these claimed atheist, actually leftist antichristian threadsOnce and for all God is without beginning and without end you midwit cringe pompous moronic hubristic leftist faggotsSage
>>524279623The atom thing is particularly dumb. "Atom" means "uncuttable" in Greek, the thought experiment was just that for things to have any substance there must be some point at which they can't be split any further. Greeks named that idea the atom. The thing we call the atom today is ironically not the thing they were naming, which I guess would be a quark for now, since the atom (uncuttable) can be cut into smaller parts.
>Jesus was ripped and had a six pack and a big dick Another homosexual "Christian"
>>524280080They didn't "know". They theorized. They didn't know any better than a student that guesses at an exam. Sure, a quarter of such students will guess correctly, but it doesn't mean they knew the answer. Remember that we didn't even have definite proof for the atomic theory until early 20th century.
>>524268031>So who made god?you are now understanding why god often insisted on being called and referring to himself as I AM
>>524280016From my perspective, it's the other way around. Christians who take the bible literally aren't real Christians at all. The only real Christians are the ones who interpret the Bible as an allegory for Neoplatonic arguments, like the desert fathers and the early scholars, such as Origen and Gregory of Nyssa. Modern day Christians don't know the first thing about their own tradition, and if any of the early fathers saw their behavior now they would count all of them as idolators and Satanists who kill the spirit to worship the letter.
>>524280292could you summarize neoplatonism in your own words? what it is just summarize it and some of your daily practice thank you im interested
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>>524268031Who created God?
>>524280385I AM is uncreated he just am
>>524280224You're fundamentally wrong about the nature of knowledge. We don't "theorize" that the three angles of a triangle add up to 180. We know it. Anything that can be proven objectively using pure reason is known, not guessed. You're still stuck in Plato's cavern, thinking that the shadows on the wall are real. Your senses are not the arbiter of truth. Senses cannot confirm truth. Logic is what confirms truth, so anything that deals purely in logic can be confirmed without the need for microscopes.
The common cosmological argument goes by seing that there exists something created. Then it says that everything that is created, is created by something else. It then argues that there can't be an infinite regress of created things so there has to be something that is uncreated. Then it uses philosophical arguments that the uncreated being has the properties commonly assigned to God.Phase 1: Prove that an uncreated being existsPhase 2: Prove that it's God
It's not explained, because the world judaism developed in was a world where gods were just assumed to exist. Ironically the death of paganism is probably why christianity is dying, given that it basically makes no sense when approaching from a default "why?" position and only makes sense in a "my imaginary friend is better than yours" way. No idea how islam still exists as huge as it does
>>524269824Sacrificed His Life in an egregious way even though He could have easily lived.Even if Resurected after 3 days, He still suffered death.Through His Incarnation Resurection and Ascension He gave Man the possibility to become One with God and hence God.If you have a problem with that you are a fucking jew and /or of the devil.Get a life and mind your own fucking business!
>>524268031>So who made god?Moses, see mark brahmin take on ywhh name (That is 'YHWH and My People as God: imitable concepts') on his page, apolloniantransmission
>>524280467No, it's you who's fundamentally wrong. Geometry is a formalization of human understanding of space. It has truths because it has formalized methods an axioms. In contrast, your word wanking with "cause", "eternity", "goodness", "creation" and other nonsense has no formality to it and has no criteria other than seeming to make sense. You're not discovering some kind of eternal platonic ideals, you're just mashing together halfway-abstract words and letting your practical spear-chucking monkey brain intuit which of them sound okay and which ones don't.
>>524270267>Atheistsare antichristian leftist in disguise
>>524280345I'd say it's a spiritual practice that counts immaterial principles, such as virtue, truth and goodness as having a more primary and real existence than anything material. As daily practice I meditate and study, and in terms of the overall goal it's to ascend and align yourself with The Good, which manifests as a striving for the well-being of all things impartially. Hopefully that's a sufficient explanation, it's a difficult thing to draw a circle around in just a few sentences.
>>524280846Cause, eternity and goodness aren't abstracts. They're axiomatic principles. You just haven't studied metaphysics or philosophy, so they sound like nonsense to you because you lack the appropriate context. The rules of cause and effect are purely formal, there's nothing subjective about them. For example, we know that a cause cannot impart a property onto its effect unless it possesses that property itself. Otherwise, that would be the same as creating something out of nothing. Which is how we know, with certainty, that a first cause would by necessity pre-possess all properties in existence.
>>524270859>mental diseaseYet you rabidly seethe about it.Who is the mentally diseased now?I swear to God you leftists look like useful idiots used by the powers at be to reinforce christianity. Your sheer stupidity and hubris is enough to rally normal people to christianity bc the alternative is far worst.
>>524280385>Who created God?God is uncreated ie beginingless and endless.Sage
>>524281110Platonic ideals aren't real. They don't have some definite existence you can reason about. They're just higher order semantic categories made by the human brain. They work fine when used in usual human conditions using usual human reasoning, but once you go off the deep end and start applying them in completely abstract ways, you can get any kind of nonsense you're aiming for.
>>524268031 just a side note. the historical jesus would look more like a sneaky jew (he was one) than a muscle bound Nordic God.If that's your fetish, you should worship the old European Pagan Gods instead.
God evolved from monkeys.
>>524269267Religiosity =/= believing Jewish volcano god
>>524269824In fairness, he went through an immense, almost unbearable amount of suffering so he could properly be a ruler who understands the people he's ruling over. Unlike modern politicians who are born with a silver spoon in their mouths and whose biggest choice in life is what brand of cavier to snort off the back of a 5000 dollar a night hooker.
>>524281607You're not arguing against Platonic ideals, you're arguing against reason itself. You're basically admitting that you don't use logic to form your own beliefs, which is the same as admitting that you're wrong and don't have coherent views. Either reason is sufficient to form conclusions, or it's not. If you think it is, then what I'm saying is correct. If you say it's not, then your view collapses under its own weight because you're admitting that your own views don't have sufficient support, either due to the absence of reason or due to reason's insufficiency.
>>524271000>Native European gods are demons... Because jews said so!
>>524280097>Nooo I just say and you have to believe meAnd yet you can't handle girls with dicks
>>524279018>I can't think outside of causality waaaaaggghh save me YHWH man
>>524281616>Carpenters working with stone and wooden beams are weaklings
>>524280097Non-jewish source?
>>524282212So was everything true and cut to length the first time, or did his hammer meet his thumb?
>>524280279YHWH SPOKE ENGRISH???
>>524268031God evolved from monkey then created man
>>524280376...and existence must have a purpose... Because it HAS TO, OKAY? AND THIS PURPOSE WAS GIVEN TO US BY A JEWISH GOD AMEN
>>524268031It's pretty obvious that the Fall occurred consciously but in a purely mental state or world, and then they got implanted there.This world is contingent on God, but it's made with its own principles and given logic and structure from God to evolve. Our bodies, animals, and stars come from nature, but none of those exist apart from God or are not sustained by God.St. Gregory the Theologian (Nazianzen), in his Oration 45 (On Easter), interprets the Fall as a purely noetic (mental/spiritual) event. He mocks the idea of "God walking in the garden in the cool of the day" as a literal historical report, arguing it is a symbol for God’s presence in the mind.
>>524282442God orders Lucifer and the host to fall as they lack free will
>>524282212>Carpenters working with stoneyank education
>>524268031The idea of God was just too strong that it came into being and then just was for all eternity.
Monotheism doesn't make any sense, nobody has just one parent.
>>524282485You cannot conceptualize a place before time where beings are created with perfect knowledge and fall from eternity or stay all at once, knowing everything there is to know for that free choice and what it entails? It's the Aionic realm. and The Accuser is a spirit.
>>524282758Monotheism makes perfect sense, it's an unavoidable conclusion. Even the ancient Greeks were monotheistic. They drew a clear distinction between God and gods. There has never been a civilization in human history that didn't maintain the belief that everything originated from a single first cause, because theology comes from the study of cause and effect. You can't have two 'firsts', meaning the primordial first cause responsible for all of existence has to be singular and unified. Or to put it another way, if creation is synonymous with potency, then the source of all creation is omnipotent, and there can only be one omnipotent. If there were two, then any potency that belonged to one couldn't belong to the other. They would be divided and at odds, incapable of creating anything.
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>>524280655>No idea how islam still exists as huge as it doesIt's just brown guys being 90 iq and having children
>>524268031>Who wrote the author?
>>524271408Ah yes JewSA the infamously all-white country. You can't trust any flags here, except for the shitskin ones ironically.
