What would it take for you to buy an electric car?
>>524268160Jobs that pay enough to exist
>>524268160if we could buy BYD cars in the USA i would
>>524268160It would have to be 5k and no built in infotainment system. Just a lil tuk tuk kind of deal and I would buy one to toot around town in for sure. Nobody wants a 50k piece of shit.
>>524268160For them to not shit the bed in cold weather or have a 250 mile range reliant on chargers that get their juice from fossil fuels anyways.
>>524268160I'd buy one for a dollar
>>524268305This. 5k, no trackers or connection. Even better if I can do repairs myself.
>>524268160>Same price as petrol cars >No pay per mile bullshit>Range of at least 800 miles >20 year guarantee on the battery>Price cap on electric >Able to charge within seconds Never going to happen is it
>>524268160The complete dismantling of the gas distribution system
I don’t want it to be a computer on wheels. Just make it battery powered, and remove every single mechanism that can potentially be abused for remote control
>>524268160for them to not be always listening computers that sell my driving habits to insurance companies and my conversations to advertisers
>>524268160>no internet connection>no bluetooth connection>no on board computer beyond engine codes>no ability for the manufacturer to control the vehicle>no software updates>charging at the same speed and cost as gas. i spend less than 5 minutes at the pump>same range, or greater, on one charge as 15 gallons of gas in a mid 2000s vehicle>same cost as a comparable gas vehicleall that guaranteed, i'll begin to consider it
>>524268160I wouldn't buy one because I'm not gay.
>>524268160an EV without all of the self driving cameras and spyware and other worthless crap. basically take a mid 2010s honda or whatever and make it EV. power steering, power brakes, ABS, traction control, air bags, seat belts, blind spot alerts are all fine and useful. beyond that i don't want it.
>>524268160It having genuine value compared to public transport, as is it's a sort of a sad excuse achieving neither efficiency nor effectivity.
>>524268160Buy an ad, BYD.
>>524268305This. Electrics cannot replace an ICE vehicle, but they could make a good "second" vehicle. Something that takes the place of a beater for around-town errands.Insurance and registration fees should be next to nothing too.
>>524268160carburetors
Watch MKBHDs review of the xiaomi EV. I'd buy one of I could. Teslas are way overpriced
They exist to keep you tethered to charging stations.
>>524268160Batteries designed to be user servicable.You know, like fucking batteries.>nooo, you can't plug and play cells!...
>>524268160I don’t remember 400km of petrol taking even 1 minute to pump. Get fucked.
>>524268305The BYD Seagull is $9000 in China. The Dolphin is $11000. The top line BYD PLUS is $33000 with features that rival a Land Rover or BMW X7.
>>524268160battery replacement cost drop to around 5k or charging cycles to increase to 15k.
>>524268160Wow that's amazing. Still not giving up my gas car which is cheaper and not shitted up with stupid touch screens and data harvesting software.
>>524268160i want an electric autozam
>>524268476And no internet features. My car should work without cloud connection
>>524268979ICE exists to keep you tethered to gas stations. you can (slowly) charge your EV for free with solar panels.
Cheap cost, cheap repair, and people not throwing milkshakes or firebombing my car for buying from the "wrong" person.
>>524268281are you poor, retarded, or both?
>>524268979The entire point of an EV is to charge it at home and maybe at work. You shouldn't have to ever visit a gas I mean charging station with an EV. The opposite is true for a gas powered car.
>>524268160being able to work below 20 degrees farenheit
>>524268160Solid State Batteries, preferably American-made
>>524268281>gimmie that chinese lithium bomb car>i wanna start the biggest fire
>>524268160Someone pointing a gun at my daughter might sway me.... Nope.Still not buying one. Oh, and, kys Elon.
>>524268397>power comes from fossil fuelsmaybe in your shithole
All the taxi drivers I know, I'm just a very likeable person, have given up on purely electric and are going back.
In five years you will never have to go to a gas station anymore. You will just be able to charge at home and that's it.
>>524268281Land of the free, home of the protected Tesla.....
>>524268160Every time the wind blows or a squirrel farts, my power goes out for 24-36 hours. The energy infrastructure in the USA is so critically terrible that if I ever had an electric car I would frequently find myself stranded and unable to charge it. Maybe if my state builds a 4th or 5th gen nuclear power plant and puts some underground power cables that wont be destroyed every time a little wind comes through, then maybe an electric vehicle will become viable. Tell the power company to stop fucking around and fix the infrastructure in the USA or electric cars will never be viable.
>>524269646Nuclear is pretty cool.Us building them right next to German borders is pure coincidence by the way.Silly Germans!2x3 millions.
Im not a fag so never?
>>524269652Imagine listening to people of a dead business model for advice, lmao.Did you ask the guys who light the street lights at night as well?
>>524268160>What is battery life for 500 Alex
>>524268160A severe blow to the head and a 30IQ point drop.
>>524268160A medical miracle that would allow me to work to afford a car and also be able to drive again :/
>>524268160no one cares
>>524269756>Im not a fag so never?Too late. You probably are.>>524269761>Did you ask the guys who light the street lights at night as well?I only know one of those, let me ask.
>>524268160 It’s embarrassing how far behind our auto industry is. And the government protects and allows them to be dogshit at taxpayer expense so much for the free market. And while we are at it our internet infrastructure is shit too. I can get fiber internet for 10 bucks a month in third world countries but we still have parts of the country with dialup for 100 a month
>>524268160Make it a truck that doesn't look like shit, is as capable as a normal truck off road/on road, and sell it for cheap as hell. Then maybe I'll use it as an alternative to my other vehicles when I'm bored.
>>524268281if I could buy a thirdie Toyota truck for $20,000 or less I would
>>524268234That's genuinely a valid thing to say. There are far too many "jobs" now adays that are low skill, low expectations, yet they demand high pay. Worse yet, they're impacted by so many other factors (thanks jews for all the illegals) that if they start having several bad days then you're guaranteed to lose your job.
>>524268160the faster you charge a battery the more you degrade the battery. the more innovation you try to put into batteries the more they cost.the entire thing is a scam intended to keep you from pushing for combustion engines powered by hydrolyzed hydrogen.and to get the electricity in the first place, they either require combustion electricity generation or huge expensive unreliable solar farms that cost more than they turn out to be worthit's all trash
>>524268160> What would it take for you to buy an electric car?Using my AC in the summer to not cause rolling blackouts.
>>524268765Can do that now with an ebile, like all the DWI enjoyers do
>>524270170>ebileebike
Nobody wants electric powered items when the retards cant even maintain the power infrastructure. I basically have to use a gas generator for days out of every single month because they simply refuse to fix the infrastructure. Gasoline is the only reliable form of electricity because the power company cannot be trusted to reliably deliver electricity to my home. Gas is king.
>>524270063>combustion engines powered by hydrolyzed hydrogen.Why even bother with that? ICE technology is already great, especially if we got rid of the stupid engine wrecking shit of the last few decades. Algae based biodiesel, other synthetic hydrocarbons that's what we should focus on
>>524268234This
>>524270063>combustion engines powered by hydrolyzed hydrogen>hey guys I have an idea, lets take existing technology and make it shittyNo thanks.
>>524268160https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2-wIhadw50
When I lived in San Diego they put all the power lines underground and the power was always reliable and always on. Never off. Never down. Never out. But where I live now, those cheap fucking cunt faggots refuse to put the power lines underground, and the power is so fucking unreliable. It's fucking infuriating. I want to storm the offices of my power company and shoot everyone (not really, this is hyperbole) who is to blame for my electricity being down for days out of every single goddamn motherfucking month. FIX YOUR SHIT YOU USELESS SHITCUNT FUCKS! I DEMAND ELECTRICITY! STABLE RELIABLE ELECTRICITY! I DEMAND IT! FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!
>>524268160I refuse to pay more than £2000 for a car.
>>524270475I miss SD too desu
>>524268160When I can charge one with nothing more than a standard socket and extension cord
>>524268160Just about what's pictured
>>524269088Oof 9k for a seagull? Do they have any sparrows?
>>524268397Your first point is valid but why do you care where the energy comes from? Decoupling the two is easy and seamless to you as the EV user. Could go to solar or nuclear and you’d be none the wiser.
>>524268160A house. I live in an apartment and would have no way to charge itThanks Blackstone
In order for me to buy an EV, you would need to remove all the screens, all systems capable of some manner of external connection, replace the drivetrain with a real drivetrain featuring an engine, transmission, and differential, and then make it RWD and cost under $15k.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtyDj7EsqSM
>>524268489And then some for me. My old diesels will do biofuel fine and my petrol v8s have their carbs set up for pump gas for convenience, but I could convert them to love moonshine in a day of fiddling. Ethanol is like 110 octane so I'd wind up with more horsepower lol.
>>524270020>>524268234>Show up to work>Screw in one bolt in the same place on every car that comes through the factory>Same shit every day>Never handle money>Never have to dance around scheduling>Never have to interact with a shitty customer>Just show up, do one unskilled repetitive task over and over again your entire life>You get to afford a house>A car from the factory you work at>A family where YOUR WIFE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO WORK>THIS is worth a livable wage>But a job infinitely more tedious and bullshit interacting with customers all day isn't worth enough to get byThe idea that not every job should be paid a livable wage is a bullshit delusion. The people that say retail workers should live in a box are the same faggots that think factory jobs were the good old days. They were the good old days because they were getting actually paid enough to live. Ford told you retards there's no point in making cars if the people who make them can't fucking afford them.
>>524268160>byd chink technologyno thanks, i'd rather have my car not on fire
>>524269646The Perry plant in Ohio was planned to close 5 years ago. Its future is uncertain due to operating costs. Our government is retarded. An already functioning nuclear plant should remain open until it starts crumbling. Power generation, especially clean power generation, is a legitimate national security concern.
I've owned one for 4 years now and I'm never going back to ICE slop. I've saved thousands not having to buy gas anymore.
>>524268305Agreed. The current 'life as a service' model can't sustain itself. No one wants commercials on their refrigerators, or features already paid for on cars which won't run unless you have a monthly subscription.Something simple and road legal will dominate the market. A street legal electric gulf cart would have more sales than a $140k electric Cadillac. >>524268234the person in your image is not wrong. It becomes a death spiral. In order to be 'living', the price of all goods (including the ice cream) would have to be high enough to pay for the lowest performing worker.Most of the major advances in capitalism came from free labor. From the machine shop owner who works 100 hours per week building their business, for the various garage tech giants who tinkered on their time off before it ever paid them a penny>>524269361This is a national security threat too>>524269658If you don't mind spending the extra money to upgrade your home electrical system. Don't forget that 37% of American homes were built before 1970>>524269749But you died for a good cause>>524270475Decades ago I worked for a company where the owner (on building the property) paid an extra upfront cost to have his shop wired to the municipal lines. As a result, when power went out in the neighborhood, only the street lights, the police station, and his shop had power.
>>5242681601-No infotainment, tracking, or other similar nonsense.2- Use end user serviceable components like a Parker / Curtis motor controller, and other COTS components and cabling.3- Be functional. Outside of using (an) electric motor(s) to provide the motive force, all other components should be readily available automotive components. No proprietary bullshit. 4- Possess onboard charge capability. Either by plugging it onto a common 110V15A receptacle, or via an optional onboard solar or fueled generator. (Don't care if it's diesel, propane, recip or a turboshaft. Give it an option for an APU.)5- Not use components/ mechanical parts made of mystery meat in China or India, unless said product goes through very rigorous QC inspection prior to delivery for assembly.
>>524268476>20 year guarantee on the batteryICE drive trines don't even come with half that
>AAAAAUUGH THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS AAAAWhat if you just threw together a corporation to make one singular product as efficiently as possible, one and done and then it went away?
>>524271286>ICE drive trinesTrains?
>>524268160I will never buy one. They pollute up to 1000X the rate of cars and they are a trojan horse to autonomous cars and the end of ownership.
>>524271151Youre the same color as shit
>>524268160A desire to be incinerated in a rolling funeral pyre when the battery goes off.
>>524268160It's charging at 750kW. Just as a point of reference that's 6250 amps of current at 120V or 3125 amps at 240V. No country except China has the power grid or the surplus power to accomplish this at scale
>>524268160I just want a e-car that has no software other than battery/charging management.
>>524268979Smartest EV hater
>>524271403a significant portion of your 'personality' is buying things jews tricked you into 'needing.'
>>524270995Serious business here.They're gonna gang bang you if you have that pic saved in Germany.Too extreme!
>>524268160having the money to buy it wouldn't hurt
>>524271485China does not really have that either. They just claim to, while it factually only exists in very small urban areas.
>>524270968Pretty much. Only niggers bitching about liveable wage are employers or cucks to corpos.
>>524270968>is a bullshit delusionHEY NIGGER nobody bought your burgers today. So who is going to pay you the living wage when you made no money?
>>524271286When it costs 5-10% of a replacement battery, and considering I've never had a car transmission go, I want a guarantee on the battery of 20 years. Can't give me it? I'm not buying an EV anon
>>524270344Bio-diesel is fucking garbage.The slightest bit of water and it develops this scum that clogs pumps, blows the tips off injectors, coats the pick-up. Wreaks havoc on the engine.
>>524268160If they gave me one and I didnt have to have insurance
>>524268160Give me a $5,000 GMT 800 Chevy Suburban that's all electric and I'll buy it
>>524268160All cars are electric.
Pit areas like F-Zero
>>524268160Chinks wouldn't lie right?
>>524270968>there's no point in making cars if the people who make them can't fucking afford them.This shit always resonates with me when the ultrarich seem to salivate over outsourcing labor to robots. If they ever got what they wanted, what the fuck would the machines need them for? All it would take is one AI crash for that to be the extinction of humanity.
>>524268160Batteries that don't wear out and have to be replaced with expensive brand specific models. Cars that aren't made of dissolving plastic that wears out a year after i buy it. It has to be a lot cheaper. It's not as hard as it seems. Golf carts are fucking tough.
>>524268160Doors that don’t require electricity to open so I don’t burn alive in a fender bender.
>>524271710How it should be:>Business doesn't make any money>Business fails>New business pops up to fill the niche with better service, product, etc.>Pays their employees moreHow it actually is:>Business doesn't make any money>If the business fails the owners literally go to jail for failing the investors>Desperately layoff, swap to slave wages, lobby for benefits and bailouts>Niche remains filled by zombie companies offering shitty services, products, etc.
>>524268160I'm keeping my 97' F-150 thank you very much EV cucks
>>524272027perish the thought
>>524268160You mean a car, not an EV.A very specific living situation.>Own a house>Have 3 cars>Have to commute 50 km maximumThe 3rd car can be electric, used electric. I did own an electric vehicle already and have sold it. It was one of these scooters zoomers ride, when I lived in a bigger city I've used it for commuting, it was fine because I could just fold it and bring it into the office to charge it and then back to my apartment.All that being said I own one car and I use the polish magic of tanking it with LPG so the economy gains from it being electric are minimal.
>>524272250>Pays their employees moreThat doesn't happen topkek. They hire outsourced crap.>inb4 jeets and peenoise in remote kiosks
>>524273293Yes they are, which is also a problem that should be stopped.
>>524272827some years ago import duties or vat were struck for LNG vehicles (methane) so they'd get all that stuff ripped out and run on petrol
>>524268160Never.
>>524270170>>524270193Can't carry groceries for a family on it, and there's inclement weather. But, it's something I've considered. The town's layout here isn't really conducive of ebike traffic.
>>524271559I didn't pick our flag.
>>524275501>I didn't pick our flag.Now that you mention it, I was not asked about ours either?Good luck tough.Unless that ads me to another list.
>>524269646The point he's making is that most of these chargers aren't even on the grid in a lot of places because a lot of grids just can't handle the kind of power draw going on with EV chargers, something like 30 to 40% of them are entirely powered by their own diesel generators onsite, or supplemented by diesel generators onsite.
>>524268476This, but I would also want to know that they can recycle or dispose of the batteries safely
>>524268234Ideally working at an ice cream parlor should be a job for a teenager or young adult to do part time while studying, not a career choice but what do I know Also the people bitching about no jobs are always pro immigration
>>524268160If an EV sounded like vidrel.https://youtu.be/YVAcRNYFCrw?t=223
>>524270063ICE technology overtook Electric vehicles in the fucking 1800's for a multitude of reasons. EV's have valid use cases(electric equipment in warehouses, short range taxis, local package delivery) but personal vehicles aren't really one of them for the majority of vehicle owners.
>>524270170Like that other anon said, the problem with an ebike(I ride one to work) is it becomes a liability once you have to be responsible for more people than yourself. You can't really shop for a whole family with one, in a lot of places you can't leave them outside even with multiple locks on it, you're going to struggle carrying your family on it, etc.
>>524271485China does the same thing we do, their EV charging stations are ususlly off grid running off of diesel generators, or supplemented by diesel generators.
>>524268160- At least,700 km range in a normal sized hatchback. -Higher material quality for mid-spec interiors. Right now it feels like paying an arm and a leg for something that feels driving a plastic toy car. due to price offsetting from high cost batteries.-More infrastructure for recharging.Because of this I bought picrel, instead of gimped entry level EV that costs more.
>>524268160Those charge rates probably halve the service life of that battery
>>524268160Quite a lot since it will never replace my diesel trucks. I am the last segment for them to try and sway
>>524276821It's probably also a contributong factor as to why Chinese EV's are so much more likely to catch fire, at that rate of power transfer those batteries are cooking
>>524268234Low paying jobs are meant for people in school or teenagers. If you pay high salaries for low labor jobs, you have to pay people for skilled labor more - if you don't, you'll piss off all the skilled labor workers who are contentedly working salaries that aren't adjusted for inflation..
>>524276850What about a diesel-electric hybrid like Edison Motors is trying to build?
>>524268160I won't. It's the exact fucking opposite of what I want from a car in every single regard, outside of it being able to move faster than me going by bike.
>>524268160For there to be a cheap, plug in hybrid ala Edison Motors. No fancy extraneous shit like bluetooth or wifi integration
>>524276931It would be best but I’m not one for speculations. It would be wonderful if they could get their pickup conversion kits out but they are gonna have to be custom order for your application.
>>524268160nothing.I plan on continuing to drive pre-2010 cars without cameras and tracking devices all over it. seethe
>>524271286ICE drive trains are nigger-tier hack upon nigger-tier hack to (barely) get force to smoothly transfer from a nigger-tier 19th century piece of tech to the wheels.
>>524268234he is correct if you consider that your wage is just a proxy for the goods you produced.if the goods you produced weren't really worth anything, then why should someone exchange them for useful things?if you spend 8 hours folding paper planes per day, do you think a farmer will want to give you food for them just because you spent a lot of time folding them? will the bricklayer be willing to build a house for you to live in in exchange for paper planes?all the people who provide you with the stuff you need to live will want something of equal value in return. if you do not produce anything of value, then the proxy (money) you got for it also has no value.introducing a minimum wage is the first step to killing your fiat currency, because now it's not even backed by labor, it's backed by nothing.
>>524268160Hahahaa>EVs now fill up roughly as fast as gasBut the millions and millions of EVs made up to this point did NOT get that magical update. They still take 2 hours to fill. And people have only gotten poorer, not wealthier, so they cannot afford to sell their EVs for a $30k loss to buy the new EVs that charge "roughly" as fast as a gas tank. They're stuck with the old models, screwed.
Nothing. I never will.Death to kikes.
In 10 years chinese technology will be so advanced that it'll be literally beyond the amerimutt comprehension.They'll have robots roaming the streets, a fully integrated drone economy and nuclear power plants on the moon while americans will be living in their technofeunadilistic totalitarian dystopia, living in cardboard boxes telling themselves those things are all AI generated.
>>524268160I’m never getting into a 2 ton metal box that’s one low end collision away from turning into a chemical inferno. You can’t store useful amounts of energy via electrochemical reactions without introducing huge dangers from simple punctures.
>>524268160They would need to solve the issue of lithium batteries degrading and losing charge capacity over time.I can deal with a phone battery getting worse after a few years. But not on a $50k+ car, no way fag
>>524269513The way it works ideally is not the way it works in reality. I've looked into this and seen enough.>charge it at work>50 employees are all competing for the 1-3 charging stations>all it takes is one retarded woman to break the cable off and render the charging station unusable until the company can get an electrician out there to repair it (literally a bi-monthly occurrence)>charge at home>costs thousands of dollars for the electrician to install the EV charging outlet, even just the cable is very costly per foot>most people skip this, hoping to just use the stations available in town>most people don't even own a home, but rent>landlord might decline to install a charging station>apartment complex might decline to install a charging station>apartment complex might have a charging station but not enough for everyone, and somebody will inevitably break itThis is how it actually is. A nightmare.
>>524268160Muh pickups!!!
>>524268234>WE MUST PUNISH THE POOR WITH ECONOMIC DISCIPLINE>HOMO ECONOMICUS>MAMMON IS GOD
>>524270968the contempt people have for service or retail workers is indefensiblewhen you factor in the amount of stress involved in those jobsmost people couldn't even handle the stressand people unironically larp that its "not a real job"while they have some grift on gibs or some shitits twilight zone shit
never ever. No country has the infrastructure to support mass EV adoption.Hybrids and synth fuels are the way.
>>524271286The guarantee is for the maintenance free period. If and when something does go it costs maybe 2 grand to keep it going for another decade or two. Whats the replacement cost of batteries again?
>>524277398Test
>>524278249Ferrari coupes peaked with this model.
>>524277723Works like that for me.
>>524269513I live in a rented apartment because a cheap house here is a million dollars and surrounded by brown neighbours, and the only places that offer free charging at work are government departments (karens lording over browns). Ill stick with my petrol car for now thanks.
>>524278332do you understand per capita?
>>524268160i wouldn't take it if they gave it away for free, same goes for all the new infortainment shitboxes, give me a simple car with manual transmission, no electric bullshit, i can roll the windows down thanks, that's it, why can these faggot automakers not make at least one car like this.>>524271286why are you incapable of typing out internal combustion engine? are you gay, retarded, lazy, a nigger, a kike or all above?
>>524278425We have charging here in rental places too. Not all that difficult to get one desu. I don't charge at work either but I know lots of people who do that. >>524278548Probably better than you, I'm also whiter than thou, which is why I understand home charging.
>>524278249just biodiesel in small cars would be enough
Americans even had to ban Chinese cars because they just can't compete kek
>>524268234so the majority of people are just supposed to be homeless and starving?
If u want to understand how much of a ripoff new cars are for whitey : Volkswagen ID4 starts at €46,335 in Germany. Same car is 139,900 yuan or €16,905 China. Same fucking car, rolls off the same assembly line. Its 300% more here. And that is a European company.Car manufacturers are in a price war in the developing world, especially China to gain market share, they sell at a loss in the developing world. Manufacturers fund this by doubling and tripling the price where for whitey. Europe, the US, canada, australia, it doesn't matter, you're overpaying by as much as 65% to subsidize chinks getting their cars almost for free.
>>524278832That and because ZOG wants all the spyware data going to itself not chang
>>524269001>just plug and play a 1000kg battery at homevery reasonable
>>524268160NothingI will keep my twin turbo 2jz camry
delaying EV adoption purely because of protectionism is just going to give an even bigger edge to china
>>524272250>how it should beOh I see. so people didn't go to the previous burger joint, that means they'll go to the new one. Some of you are genuinely dumb niggers.
>>524268160no more tariffs that we have on Chinese car
>>524268234>>524268160>>524268281>PROTIP: THE FASTER YOU CHARGE A BATTERY THE MORE YOU DESTROY ITS LIFESPAN
>>524278761Yeah well we dont, and we cover vast distances. Only city bound cucks who never leave the outskirts think electric is great, everyone else buys a normal car for a multitude of reasons.
