so why wouldnt this work?
inverse square lawdiffraction through air medium (air is thicker near the ground not the sky)
>>524284375id say scale it down for to have drone size but then a grenade might be better at this point
>>524284235It would work, especially against chinese balloons.
It did. Now someone post the link to buy that Chinese handheld laser that cut a file in half from the last thread to buy.
>>524284235Glass India?
>>524284470just chrck the archives for laseranons threads he shows youbexactly where to get them
>>524284375no, thats not the (main) reasonwhy it would not work, >>524284235Energy storage is the problem, as well as "time on target": They had some fancy chemical laser in the 80s or so that could kind of sort of reach the necessary energy/time to almost take down a missile. But with batteries its completely impossible. And having to refil the entire plane with "fun" chemicals based on Fluorine is not very efficient when it could as well be filled with 20mm gatling shells much cheaper and safer. Advantage of kinetic weapons is that they dump much, much more Energry per time on a target, and in air combat you do not have much time when the target is visible and in range. So kinetics are and will stay king for the foreseeable future
>>524284534He fucked with 7w diodes, that thing looked like at least 100w, probably fiber laser.
>>524284235>Calculating distortion error
>>524284584yeah but they put zero point energy generators on these black project aircraft
>>524284955too bad they did not put a brain in this skull of yours
>>524284375>inverse square lawThe limits are determined by Etendue, not inverse square. The beam is converging at the start, only when it starts diverging does inverse square become relevant.
>>524284235>can disintegrate any goy anywhere in the worldGoyim cattle on suicide watch
>>524284584>Energy storage is the problemthis
>>524285202Thats what the power beaming is for
>>524285125prime overeducation example that lost ability to understand information because of prior knowledge >guy talks about energy, toothpaste thinks light
>>524285326doesn't work (yet). I assume you mean microwave frequencies? You still have tons of losses by converting to and from it. And now you have an additional problem: Not only do you have to aim at the enemy, you also have to aim at your dude who is aiming at the enemy.This is one bird with two stones
>>524285774>Not only do you have to aim at the enemy, you also have to aim at your dude who is aiming at the enemyhaven't we solved this problem already? we are already able to track mortar shells with CIWS
>>524285326yeah its not happening, if ever. too lossy and too many other problems/ might as well have reactors on site, if that were possible.
>>524285931no. At least not at acceptable power/computing/weight tradeoffs. Keep in mind you are on a plane. You alsways have to make massive tradeoffs in terms of mass on a plane, no matter how modern it is
>>524285202just put solar panels on the plane???
>>524284534Laseranon was a stupid faggot and now he is rotting in prisonLiterally all he did was use old tattoo removal lasers and pipe clamp them onto wood.
>>524284534Forgot all about that guy, shieeeit whens he out of jail this boards boring without some characters
>>524286808yea seriously>antagonize local federal law enforcement>brag about building blinding lasers>shoot two random eskimos in a house invasion; never even used his lasersLMAOsaddest arc in a looong time
>>524284235Was this the thing the fried Hawaii?
>>524284235don't planes have to be constantly moving? how would they focus the laser weapon or whatever that is
>>524284492Why are they driving towards it?
Not that other Swiss.Educated in lasers and such though.But, I assume, basic math seems rather scary to most of you.
>>524284235the big problem is the power requirements. Years ago, Lockheed Martin had their "compact fusion" project; which was advertised as a portable fusion generator powerful enough to forever power an aircraft. I assume a second such reactor (if it is ever figured out) could power this weapons system, without all the weight of batteries/capacitors/fuel
>>524286981*that
>>524287065put up or shut up
>>524287087>fusion generatorit was fission generator, project pluto. Problem was all those peace loving hippies threw a hissy fit so they cucked. Same happened to daedalus/orion (the first one)
>>524286677you think that matters for a laser?
>>524287179>put up or shut upWait a second here.>>524287187>it was fission generator, project pluto.All right.Wasn't the main problem that, you know, exchanging barrels that often seems unreasonable?In this case, barrels can get complicated.>>524287395Your opinion is noted.
Those Swiss guys are dangerous.
>>524284452This is the biggest retardation imaginable. I saw the iss pass by the sky some nights ago. You are telling me that it’s travelling at thousands of miles per hour on parachutes?Let me guess. You are a flat earth glow nigger well poisoner
>>524287539>Those Swiss guys are dangerous.Then it's my garden plants.Then it's the vast majority of /pol/
>>524284235I thought they gave up on it because its effective range was too short.
>>524287644Further down you may find the rest.Nobody goes there though.
>>524287594what are you talking about jeet? no one mentioned satellites
>>524287725You talking to yourself champ?
>>524288152>Then it's my garden plants.>Then it's the vast majority of /pol/>Further down you may find the rest.>Nobody goes there though.hm.
>>524287594That was event from 2023. When chinese spy baloons entered airspace of USA and Canada.For one of them, for USA Air Forces, it took several attempts to shoot down with F22 (if remember correctly). As it is VERY hard to hit those baloons, as they move way slower.Soviets had similar issue during Cold War era. When USA sent hundreds and thousands of spy baloons over Soviet Union. They started to develop planes with lasers to shoot them down. One of prototypes burned down, because ethanol (was used as coolant agent) were stolen, engineers were disturbed by approaching guards. Splashed or smth, smoke started. Firefighters were called, but were not allowed to enter, as secret military object.If you have one plane, which have laser which can RELIABLY shoot down various airborne slow and unprotected things, it can become as boon.If chinese start to mas produce those baloons, with cost of like 15k USD. And then supersonic fighter jets are used, which cost 60k per flight on fuel alone. Plus like 400k on missile. And if missile misses, then need to use multiple ones. Then costs increase.With laser, those costs can be kept manageable.
>>524284235it does work, but a nuclear powerplant or energy storage banks are about the heaviest things you can put on a planethen, shooting down targets that are so close that the laser is effective puts you in range of debrisit's much more effective to keep that laser on the ground, inside a mountain, with some massive dams around it. it can still reach most of europe, there's no need to put it on a plane
>>524284235It does, any laser pointer demonstrates. It justt doesn't work WELL; the more atmosphere it has to punch through the more the beam is scattered.
>>524287594Youtube video containing storyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtVTZP3lF1w
>>524284235>so why wouldnt this work?HERE ARE THE MAIN REASONS:1) Water vapor2) Atmospheric lensing3) Pollution4) Clouds (not the same as water vapor, retard)5) Easy target6) Distance7) Mirrors8) Positioning requirements & limitations
>>524284492>Glass India?yes
>>524287594>doesn’t know that satellites are suspended by balloons Lmfao. You staying up for Santa Claus tonight boy? If you’re actually under 18 I apologize profusely, but if you’re an adult then backflip off the closest bridge
>>524284235It works.What you have pictured there are two different technologies.The one on the right is a "phased array" of laser apatures.The pic on the right is the COIL chemical laser.With a phased array of optical elements, you can have almost instantaneous beam correction and targeting.The COIL laser operates off of a chemical reaction, resulting in intense light that can be lased.The Phased array is generally meant to be a solid state system.According to what's publicly available, COIL supposly shot down a test ICBM from over 1000 miles away.The phased array system isn't officially in use...but Google "phased array of phased array" or "photo fighter" to see some more configurations.Not only that, but with a phased array you can utilize what's called a "phase conjugated time reversal mirror" to correct for any atmosphereic attenuation or thermal blooming.Phase conjugation, especially with a Bose Einstein Condinsate, can act as a pulse compressor.Anyway if I had to guess, lasers systems like the ones pictures (and more) are already in use covertly.
>>524289971I mixed up right and left (the pics) but the point remains
This guy here?Out of his mind.Also correct, it's just over on the"damn, that sounds kinda retarded" side.>>524289220>it does work, but a nuclear powerplant or energy storage banks are about the heaviest things you can put on a plane
>>524289530There's a reason pulsed lasers are a primary object of study. Along with adaptive optics, phase conjugation, time reversal mirrors, wireless power synthesis, etc...Pretty sure we've achieved a gamma ray laser already via a Bose Einstein Condinsate acting as a pulse compressorCheck the archives for info
>>524290213Please tell us more!>Pretty sure we've achieved a gamma ray laser already via a Bose Einstein Condinsate acting as a pulse compressorWhat do we use this one for?
>>524290322Check archives Driving
Akschually, I'm curious now, what did that poor condensate do to deserve such a treatment??>>524290397>Check archivesWill it be filled with extremely weird conspiracy theories?
>>524290460You know where you are faggot?You have to use what you know, and a strong sense of logic, to weed through the bullshit.Over time, you will develop that.Use key words to find what you're interested in and always DENOUNCE THE TALMUD
>>524290460Search for the FARK discussionsAnons smarter than I discovered this
>>524290654>You know where you are faggot?One above the lowest level of understanding.Two above with the indians.Three with the shit that the other ones send.But likely indians again.Anyways, we probably should concentrate on poisoning the well.>>524290727>Anons smarter than I discovered thisUgh. You know. Basic physics seem rather elusive to the average /pol/ user.Now, that well. It's much more interesting.
>>524290460The Bose Einstein Condinate acting as the "pulse compressor" has to do with the "slow light" expirements of the early 2000sGoogle scholar can also help
>>524290213Zapperanon's threads on /k/ were kino. Wonder if he got got?
>>524291162I thank you for the earlier info.No, you probably should ignore that. Such condensates seem overrated.That's how they build comfy little sects.
>>524284235They will work, the future of war will come down to drones with payloads and every shape and size of them, nukes, lasers, and extremely specialized small super human squads like the navy seals.
>>524291362>That's how they build comfy little sects.This will suddenly make sense at some point.
Luckily, we have a lot of experts on how lasers work.They're radiation specialists too probably.
Lasers remain drastically overrated.No ifs or nots, it's what it it is.Generally not good for your eyesight if you're lazy,The UV ones would just burn holes in the walls.
Somebody had to test your nightvision.
Which was not very exciting.Very high quality though, they meant it.Boom, different chapter.
Also had to do some appache stuff.
>>524292011Put all your posts together in the same one next time retard. Youre hurting the bump limit for someone else
But I don't want to cut off all the other guys with some experience!>>524292125>Youre hurting the bump limit for someone elseUgh, we're certainly missing out on that one.
Aaaanyways, never had to sign an NDA or anything.But, not the person to inform that Chinese guy either.The one that takes pictures of our inventory once left alone.You know which one.>>524292125doesn't,
It works OK if you don't have to go through much atmosphere or water vapor. But in practical terms this means having the thing orbit above a battlefield.
>>524284235for what?it can fuck with missiles and assuming impossibly clear conditions even melt metal shit on the ground
>>524293815I too often experience setbacks when it comes to using my jigawats lazerz.Wait, what?
I'm on all the lists probably.
>>524284235It works perfectly, you just don't want it on aircraft. Works way better to:>Be mad-scientist guy>Get government contract for space laser>Have to maintain operational security>Tell engineers they're building internet routers>Gotta make the internet lasers penetrate air really well (for bandwidth, wink)>Have 60,000 low wattage lasers over a target at any given time>Call your victims "forest fires">Maybe 5 members of top brass know of the space laserI honestly hope mad-scientist guy becomes emperor. It'd be a fascinating end to the post renaissance era.
>>524293815under practical terms you use something that isn't mostly to completely defeated by a bit of rain or dustit works great as a point defense on the few vehicles with the spare power to feed the fucking thing but it's not really meant for air to ground attacks
>>524287187Orion was always fucking stupid.Nuclear saltwater.
>>524284235Thread is full of retarded faggot posts except for this guys posts >>524289971, so let me add a bit more infoOne of the main issues with lasers in airplanes, satellites etc is power efficiency. Most of a lasers input power is not turned into laser light, but it turned into heat in the laser. So if you have an electrically powered laser with say 25% efficiency, 3 times more power is dumped into the laser than output as laser power. So if you emit enough laser power to melt through a shielded ICBM, you dump three times that into your satellite or plane, which you will have to gradually dump, massively limiting firing rates. Forget about satellites for that, and even in planes you will only really get one such shot in a nuclear attack. The optics and gain media also heat and distort, causing a bunch of other issues. So fure rates are absolutely ass, and even if you shot down smaller stuff than ICBMs satellites are too small and cannot dump heat quick enough without atmosphere, and planes are still massively limited.The second big issue is energy storage. Batteries can't hold enough for a bunch of shots, and neither will chemical storage like in COIL systems. So basically, you need ground-based systems. Pretty much power plants with some flywheels and/or supercapacitors that get charged up, and then provide the burst of energy for the laser to fire. Atmospheric distortion is an issue, but can be compensated by wavelength choice and adjustable optics somewhat (thing bending the mirrors with piezo-acturatora like for ASML nanolithography machines). You can also aim a bunch of lasers at a single target. Still too hard to shoot down throusands of ICBMs in minutes currently, but we will get there. Airplane based is decades away, satellite based (at least at those power levels) many decades.
>>524294598*think bending the mirrors with piezo-actuators like in ASML nanolithography machines
>>524287051they missed their exit
>>524287187Try not melting your spacecraft with the waste heat from a full nuclear reactor, good luck
>>524294598See what I wrote here: >>524294233You don't need ONE laser, you need tens of thousands of them. For all the reasons you mention. It spreads the heat over an entire hemisphere instead of just a single monolithic laser apparatus. And every small laser gets its own MASSIVE battery. (Because its literally also a router.)
because they suffer from diffraction greatly. and are dependent on proper atmospheric conditions.hence they also cannot penetrate clouds or have extremely poor performance in fog and such. that is why all laser defense system that are either operating or in development are for short range air defense for drones and mortar shells.the advances in batteries in recent years made that possible to a greater degree than anything else.the YAL prototype was using chemical lasers without an electric source while all the new laser weapons are all electric.
>>524294598>Micro mirror actuatorsYa, I think a good example of those are in modern day movie projectors. Google should bring up an example.Like you said, they are used for adaptive optics in laser beams. Correcting (at thousands of times a second) for things like atmospheric blooming.Another way to use phase conjugation with time reversal is with distributed high power rader platforms. When a radar ping from an enemy aircraft is received, it can be amplified re-trasnmitted back to its source as though it were reversed in time...creating an isentropic compression wave of EM energy. kind of a weird concept because people will say that there are no longitudinal forces with EM...but it depends on the situation and is nuanced. Certain polarizations of EM like radial or asmuthal can have a longitudinal electric field at the focus point....also anything using a cylindrical waveguide can have TE or TM polarization. Certain interference patterns of light can converge onto a single point almost like an imploding sphere.And also, we can affect the ionosphere with this tech.
>>524294233>>524296626Adding a large amount of lasers does work, although the wavelength used for routers are quite long and pass through solid materials well, which you don't want for a laser weapon. You want to keep it in the visible to near-infrared range to pass through air well, but also absorb strongly in your target. You also would not be starting forest fires with ground based systems unless you have some plane- or satellite based mirrors you aim the ground laser at, though adding them from different ground stations will be tough that way. Batteries alone are usually also not ideal as a power source, you want to use them to charge something like a supercapacitor that can output a lot of power for a short duration. So hiding laser parts as some router buildout will be very difficult to pull off. Large amounts of ground based lasers working together is absolutely the way to go currently though. But I don't think we can shoot down waves of ICBMs anytime soon, drone swarms are a different story though (truck-, boat- and plane-based systems are an option for that as well as drones take much less energy to destroy). For large missiles you would mostly want to blind them during their targeting phases, which also takes less power. That needs visible or IR light again though, not telecom wavelengths
>>524297912I don't think starpink is engineered to pass through walls well. I think they use exactly the lasers you're thinking are best for weapons, specifically because they exert the most energy on their target as possible.If you want high bandwidth, you want to MAX OUT the energy transfer. Totally different equation than maxing up-time on the ground, because every data-link laser is coming from above.Re-read the forest-fire bit. Its a feature, not a bug, that your attacks can be blamed on natural disasters. Weapons work best when nobody suspects they exist.Your assumption that because routers have used some wavelength in the past, ALL routers FOREVER absolutely MUST use that wavelength is silly. Stop it. Fact is, using near-visible lasers for telecom BECAUSE they double as an orbital weapons platform is the only viable system anyone in this thread has delivered.You yourself literally say, "the best I can think of won't work because of the following constraints, blah blah batteries, capacitors, and heat."
>>524284235It would work but high drag
>>524297766Using the radar ping from aircraft to determine the distortions in the path and using that to shape the weapon beam you shoot back is neat, I had not considered that. Though that will be fairly easily countered by varying radar ping stochastically and accounting for the changes in relection via software I think, so it may not work for too long. Longitudinal fields created from overlapping EM fields at the target will be limited to wavelength ranges and very inefficient relative to the transverse field and too weak to do damage. Same for laser created shockwaves etc, which will also be dissipative and not isentropic (I assume thats what you mean as EM fields themselves can't be isentropic). The atmospheric absorption at the required intensities will also kill that option unfortunately. Overlapping laser with sub-wavelemgth precision at the target for complex interference patterns is definitely decades away, way easier to just melt a nuke, though thats already super difficult. Though I find creating complex EM fields at a distance super interesting too, but I think thats more something for advanced nanolithography than laser weapons for at least many decades.
>>524284235It probably would in terms of just firing a laser but needing a massive plane like that just for that laser and nothing else is probably not worth it.
>>524298749Sure, if you can get approval from governments to use visible light for comms and build large emitters that could be used to an extent. Though it won't exactly hide it too well, a laser rpoject of that size and budget will still be easily noticed by other countries and state actors. Either way, i am not sure hiding it is the key limiting factor here, even with lasers clearly purpose built as weapons we are still struggling.
>>524286926or he got kiked, and we'd never even know
>>524298842>Em can't compressI know, isentropic may not have been the right word since that normally deals with fluid.Ya I also find this kind of thing interesting. I feel like high power microwaves may be a bit more effective than what is publically understood, but it's purely speculation on my part.Put it this way, pretty sure we can ionize parts of the atmosphere with HPM. And with modulation we can shape this plasma, into things like spheres (plasma orbs) that can be moved around the sky (mistaken as UFO) and generally used to confuse enemy radar and targeting...can can also collide with objects if necessary
>>524299221I don't know too much about current microwave tech to be honest, but there is definitely rapid advancement in controlling EM fields at medium distances due to work in fusion especially, though nowhere near at the ranges needed here. Moving around plasma orbs would probably work to be fair (and controlling things via EM fields at a distance is definitely something I have though about too), but we definitely have not had that in the past, and won't for a good while. Its kinda like the forest fire thing, easier ways to fake a UFO, and easier ways to start a forest fire (if that is the goal, and not just an unintended consequence of firing the weapon)
>>524284235atmosphere fucks with beam attenuation limiting useful range and it can only focus on a single target at a time
>>524284452Temu satellite
>>524294107>jigawatsWatt the fuck did you just call me?
>>524299108You get approval from ONE government, which creates a "space force" to launder the extra money it takes for your "comm sat constellation" to upgrade its capabilities. You include two lasers on each platform, one weaponized one not (the engineers believe they're simple redundancies,) and nobody would be the wiser.I mean, LOTS of people like us will notice. But nobody listens to us. We know all sorts of things the public thinks is crazy, and that's all it takes to maintain a "secret."In any case, the crux of the conversation is simply that we can get past all the limitations of laser weapons if we just combine the output of a ridiculous number of them. Whether someone already has is irrelevant - I just suggest that it is starpink's primary mission because things like Maui and LA fires have happened, and the only thing the forensic-firemen had to say was "shrug? space lasers? never seen anything like this before."
>>524299221There are papers from the 70's outlining the engineering behind the plasma-ball guide. It does take a lot of material and manpower to get things rolling, but it isn't overly complicated. Its what gave Bluebeam legs.>>524299498>like the forest fire thingBro let me repeat. THERE WERE NO FOREST FIRES. That's what tipped off the forensic investigator that the fires were unique. Dry trees covered in dry lichen (the type used as tinder by campers) were less than 5 feet from houses that burned to white ash, and the lichen hadn't even discolored.It isn't speculation that Maui and LA were hit by space based directed energy weapons. The only speculation is about the engineering behind them.
>>524285036shut it jeet
>>524284955ZPE does nothing to address the problems he described and raises additional heat management issues. The problem of storing sufficient energy on an aircraft to take down a missile has already been solved in gunpowder chemistry. The issue is storing energy appropriate to laser projecting, and then projecting the energy at a comparable rate to a kinect delivery system (like the stopping power of a supersonic bullet). Your solution, to have incredibly vast amounts of power to overcome these problems with brute force, would result in massive amounts of waste heat which the airplane would need to dissapate somehow. This sets aside the fact that America is wildly behind its competitors in energy generation and obviously does not have ZPE available.
>>524285931>we are already able to track mortar shells with CIWSCIWS has an acceptable margin of error and a last-hope life-or-death use case. The described laser system above does not.
>>524286981>Was this the thing the fried Hawaii?The specific DEW they used in Hawaii was browns with petrol and matches. Works pretty well in Australia and Southern California, too.
>>524284235theres air between you and your target
>>524304577Negative. Dry trees covered in dry lichen (the type used as tinder by campers) were less than 5 feet from houses that burned to white ash, and the lichen hadn't even discolored.It isn't speculation that Maui and LA were hit by space based directed energy weapons. The only speculation is about the engineering behind them.
>wears reflective suit>covers vital structures in an ultra-reflective coatingI have defeated your laser.
>>524304783>Some trees didn't burn despite being near the fireHow would this demonstrate the fire was lit by a DEW instead of some other method? This phenomena has been observed for as long as large fires have been documented. How long do you think America has been lighting fires with space lasers? Why are these never used in wars? Why haven't America's LEO competitors pointed them out? And finally, why use a space laser when a nigger with matches can accomplish the same result?
>>524307132A fire-forensic expert made a whole ass youtube about it. Go look.You characterize it as "nearby trees not burning in a similar way as other examples." Which is EXPLICITLY the opposite of why the evidence is presented: because there are NO historical examples in all of human history. IN THOUSANDS OF YEARS, there are zero examples of this lichen not catching fire if it gets hot. And it was only a few feet (in other words, within a normal fire's visual reach, let alone heat-range) from solid wood that was burned, not to cinders, but to *white ash.*Another example given during the video is a consistent shattering of auto-window glass that requires a very specific temperature to shatter (in the thousands of degrees) while paint only a few feet away remained untouched. (Paint being something with a known ignition temperature, which would have been vastly exceeded in the case of natural fire.)
>>524307132Imagine holding a piece of paper up to a butaine torch, the flames pouring in all directions as they're deflected off the paper. Normal world: paper catches fire in less than a second.Maui and LA: the flame wraps around the paper, burning anything even 2 milimeters in front of it, but after 10 minutes the paper is still blank-white.
