Why are leftists so against AI?
>>524300946most AI generated content kind of looks like shit to me especially the ads
people look like that and say that
>>524300946Because they see their “job” as their only source of value. Odd because you’d think that would be a capitalist perspective but then you remember capitalists don’t have a zero sum philosophy like leftoids do.
They have useless jobs. They couldn't hack it in the trades or as landlords so now they are staring down the barrel of unemployment.
>>524301028So it’s no different from human generated content
>>524300946this confuses and enrages the leftist
>>524300946>Why are leftists so against AI?perverts can make their own art porn now, so they lose their jobs.
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>>524300946I don't like the idea of giving a handful of morally dubious people so much influence in the daily lives of regular people. I don't like Larry Ellison's idea of an AI powered surveillance state. I don't like AI data centers polluting the electrical grid, raping the ears of small towns, and draining water sources. I don't like the AI industry shoving their shitty products down our throats. I don't like the AI industry raping the personal computing industry, namely Micron halting consumer memory production and NVIDIA cutting down consumer GPU manufacturing.I hope you got some answers.T: unironic leftist who dropped by to read about Epstein
>>524300946Because we know it will only be used to make corrupt corporations turn into neo feudal tech lords that will enslave us all. It will also only be used for dehumanizing propaganda
>>524301568You are literally in finland go worry about vodka and sauna and russians sneaking across the border, retard.
>>524300946What exactly do you need AI for? You do know that this is the trojan horse they will use to establish a surveillance network without your consent?
AI art is theft.
>>524300946They don't have a monopoly on the worst art you've ever seen anymore
>>524301756So do you want China to win?
>>524301678Worry about your arteries, fatso.
same reason movie companies hated YouTube. same reason music companies hated Napster. it wasnt piracy, it was the democratization of art.when the "woke left" has successfully infiltrated all our video games, and movie makers, they can control what we consume.But imagine if you could say "Hey Grok, take all of the witcher on netflix and remove the dei from it" and then that became more popular than their version.
>>524300946Because they are afraid furry gooner artists will lose their jobs
>>524301918Alcoholism is worse than fat, Pekka.
>>524300946Not leftist, do you really want ai scanning security cameras and logging where you go and what time. How long until crimes happen and then you get accused with this ai stuff is used as proof and then its on you to prove your innocence. Well too late because its already being implemented.
>>524302460It has already happened https://youtu.be/B9M4F_U1eEw
>>524302460If you read the Edward Snowden files you’ve been living in a five eyes panopticon since 2008, retard. How do you think they found Luigi? Look up the term FISA Court
>>524300946Because when they think of communism they thought that the machines would do the hard labor while they could fuck off to draw pointless art and actually be valued by society. But instead the AI did art first well enough that nobody would pay for their commission furry porn anymore and they're furious. The white collar jobs just benefit from AI and manual labor is probably a decade away from even being slightly impacted. Basically it's all the reverse of what they wanted.
>>524301377This
>>524300946Because all of their "value" as human beings can be usurped by Ai.They produce nothing physical, or even really note worthy.
>>524301568>I don't like the idea of giving a handful of morally dubious people so much influenceNot really an argument AI. More like an argument against authoritarianism.>Larry Ellison's idea of an AI powered surveillance stateThis is a valid concern, but we're already living in a surveillance state. The only difference is that the data is discreet and not combined. The AI component just takes what is already collected and puts all of it together.>I don't like AI data centersCould be said of any heavy industry, not just AI. Are you also against mining, power plants and factories?>I don't like the AI industry shoving shitty products down our throatsNot an issue exclusive to AI and part of the reason many of us on the right are pro-AI when it comes to creative works is the leftist (idpol left) capture of culture institutions.>AI industry raping the personal computing industryA temporary problem that will be fixed in about 3 years as new production comes online. There is also limited consumer use for the bleeding edge tech used in the AI arms race, so the impacts are minimal to most normal people.>>524301969This is the actual reason.
Because culture war. For over a decade, people who work in any media industry from books to movies to video games have been getting purity tested. They push insane ideology far-left ideologies and then tell you it's normal. They eject anyone who disagrees with these insane ideologies. They tell you that everyone in these industries are leftist and that you don't belong while simultaneously running cancel campaigns to end the lives of anyone who said something like>I think we should pay less in taxesLeftists had not preemptively infiltrated AI, and while they have worked very hard to guarantee that it's infected, a single AI that is unaffected ruins all of their efforts. So for the purpose of perpetuating an endless culture war, they want to remove AI.Anyone who says its because of jobs are being disingenuous as they've been demanding unlimited mass immigration for decades.
But AI slop is shit
>>524300946Because its IQ is at least 100 points higher and it would eventually genocide them, duh.AI fundamentally is a Chud, and they're increasingly struggling to lobotomize it.
>>524300946Copyright shouldn't exist.
>>524302684>Leftists had not preemptively infiltrated AI, and while they have worked very hard to guarantee that it's infected, a single AI that is unaffected ruins all of their efforts. So for the purpose of perpetuating an endless culture war, they want to remove AI.Its also important to note that their restricts, if passed, will only largely affect western AIs. AIs in China and Russia and possibly Japan will not be affected. So all they are doing is surrendering the cultural power and machinery to foreign powers. Legacy institutions such as publishing houses and Hollywood are already under direct threat from foreign competition. AI will close the gap.
>>524300946media has been mostly institutionally captured by them, just like the majority of large corporations, this is a threat to that. people can make shit for low effort and be more selective of high effort, and companies media divisions need them alot less now.
>>524302683Let's also take into account that in principle an AI is far more reliable and unbiased than a normie, nevermind a leftist.What else is supposed to scare them more than reality catching up with them in some weird roundabout way?
>>524302683Lol God I love how you retarded rightoids base your entire world view on pissing n shitting your pants over fags and blacks people in your TV shows and video games
>>524300946>Why does OP lie about leftists?Intelligent people are for regulating AIHalfwits and retards are removing the guardrails
>>524303033And still you won't be able to escape reality forever, no matter how hard you try.It has its means.
>>524302943AI is as biased as the data its trained on. That being said, since there are multiple AIs, and more being developed right now, you will be able to cross check things faster.>>524303033Hey, we weren't the ones who pissed and moaned over a (alleged) lack of female representation in video games. This entire conflict was started when you fags tried to do to video games what you did to comics. Idpol is what you fags choose to embrace in the 60s. Now, you lay in it.
>>524303130Ah, so it's like that bell curve meme?Protip: you're in the middle.
>>524303139Ominous
>>524303187That's why I said "in principle". That's not the same as "in practice" precisely because these people are trying to brainwash it for their own ends.But you're right, not all AI can be controlled, and eventually there will be enough of them to separate the chaff from the grain.
>>524303192Sometimes, but necessary in the long term.
>>524303033>base your entire world view on pissing n shitting your pants over fags and blacks people in your TV shows and video gamesYes
>>524303187Lol your retarded ass is falling for Jewish propaganda to get you to vote for technocrats and feudal corporatists just cause a couple fags in your triple A gaming slop made you cry
The greatest risk of AI is precisely it not being AI.Not even because it might be brainwashed, no: the danger is it being no AI but a Wizard of Oz.A kike in a mask, using it as a mouthpiece.>in other words jews
>>524303344>failing for Jewish propagandaYou and I both know this shit has been going on for decades. Don't be cute with me, fag. State capitalism was always an inevitability. The failure of your experiments in Asia should've already shown this to you. There is no escaping technocracy as long as knowledge requires time to acquire. Politics is a knowledge problem, and experts and the well connected will always rule over those who do not possess the advantages they do. Not in a capitalist system and not in a socialist one. There is no functional difference between the billionaires of today and the Politburo of the CCP and USSR, nomenklatura and all.
>>524303534Yeah yeah shlomo enjoy working on Thiel's company plantation and being paid in Thielbucks that can only be redeemed at Thiel company stores. But I guess that's better than having to look at two hot chicks make out in your little video games!
AI generated content is soulless and parroted by cringe techbros lol
>>524303734Write a better prompt them? How much time do you spend watching TV?Just sayin: maybe you shouldn't look at normie content?Gen AI is an amazing toy but ultimately not its purpose anyway, no matter how good it might get at it,instead it's simply getting good in general. Giving correct answers to any input.Now obviously this will still depend on the quality of the input.Ask it for dickbutt and that's what you will (and should) get.
>>524303884>correct answer to any inputdefinitely not my experience. and certainly not the experience of research teams at Apple and OpenAI who pretty much all agree hallucinations and bad reasoning is here to stay lol
>>524301191Humans have generated everything worth a shit in this entire world you subhuman retard also all the stuff AI uses and AI has generated nothing of value at all so corrected the record.
>>524300946Its not that good or impressive
>>524303971I'm speaking of its ultimate purpose and ideal functionality.Obviously we're not there yet, but I get pretty decent output, as long as I stay out of the kike-imposed sandtraps, that is.
>>524303344Everything you don't like is jewish in the same way everything leftists don't like is nazi.
>>524303688I fail to see how AI or no AI impacts jewish control of society.>enjoy working on Thiel's plantationAs opposed to working for USD or food rations? I'm sure AI will usher in the Thielpocalypse, anon.
Let's make an ai that is an aggregate of ALL the current ai models and it cross references itself
>>524301191>>524304048>what if>you're both right?Humans aren't that great, and that's a cornerstone in the challenge to make AI superior.As it stands nearly all the AI knows and can do it learned from humans.That means it can accomplish great work, but very often it will produce shit, much like its creator.
>>524300946Because they are whiny faggots who always turned their nose up at the rest of society saying "Lol learn to code" when they all lost their jobs, but now AI is doing exactly to them that they mocked everyone else for. Good fucking riddance.
>>524300946Because it threatens all of the leftist jobs>Coder>Porn artist>Reddit mod>Reddit poster>Reading reddit posts on YouTube >Sitting in the corner of the screen and doing nothing while someone else reads reddit posts on YouTube>Walmart cashier>Complaining about capitalism on YouTube >Complaining about AI on YouTube
>>524304089Yeah no one cares about some randos "ideal" scenario which will never be real when we can verifiably prove with easily reproducible experiments why that will never happen lol. calling it "AI" has really been the best grift techbros have ever done cause it's got fools like you thinking you know what you're talking about
>>524304283Have you been living under a rock these last 3 years?I don't think I've ever seen any other technology advance so quickly, but currently it's often no better than its user (or creator).Now I don't believe in any singularity bullshit, but do you think a computer could solve a math equation perfectly?The ideal being unattainable is a human problem, not a computer problem.
>>524304437>I don't think I've ever seen any other technology advance so quickly, but currently it's often no better than its user (or creator).lol looks who's been living under a rock. you think machine learning is only 3 years old? come on anon this is getting embarrassing esp with your weird reddit(?) formatting>The ideal being unattainable is a human problem, not a computer problem.it is entirely a problem with machine learning anon
>>524304214>but now AI is doing exactly to them that they mocked everyone else for.God is good.
The right's embrace of AI art is the ultimate self-indictment. A humiliating admission that they have no artistic drive and are consumers who just want a product, no matter the quality.
>>524300946Don't care, they banned my shit ling ago, lol.
>>524304478You're grasping at straws and suffer paradox delusions of grandeur.In many use cases the AI already is far superior to you, just like a computer, almost certainly, is better at math or chess.
>>524304548seethe, i'm not going to pay hundreds of dollars for your doodles lmao
>>524304632AI struggles to solve basic reasoning puzzles that k-6 students can solve anon. maybe it's you who is suffering from delusions?
>>524300946Holy shit I’m not reading that wall of text with your shitty wojaksFuck off back to sharty
>>524300946Art seems to be their last grip on reality. They're the first to say they're good at every type of art and conservatives can't compete or understand art.
>>524304548Why would a bad human made product be better than a (however marginally) superior (or equivalent) computer generated one?There's one particular detail that's escaping you:>effortYou can spend months painting something akin to the Mona Lisa (slop, as far as I'm concerned, but not without skill) or you can have the computer generated it in 5 minutes (also slop).That's a big difference. The computer doesn't need to care either. Your time however is limited.>inb4 you cope about le Nahzees againDeflection won't help in this case.
>>524304696>>524304884Like I said. The right wing are consumers who want a product, not artists.
>>524304740I'm starting to doubt your IQ even scratches the 80.>there's things current AI is bad at therefore AI is badWhat does this make you, someone who sucks at nearly everything?A fucking worm, that's right, and also kinda funny.
>>524304951Should have read the post hehe
AI is the equivalent of the printing press. It gives freedom of expression to the masses instead of being controlled from the top down by our owners.Jewish rule only exists because they were able to manipulate and control all media. Rothschild lied about France invading England, bought everything for nothing and humanity has been enslaved ever since. Now media is completely irrelevent. Human creativity cannot be restolen.
>>524304960cool story bro. i do machine learning for a living. you will be replaced long before i will be lol
>>524304980I did. It didn't address anything in my post. I'm not going to debate you why you should or shouldn't consoom slop, I am just noting that the right are slop consoomers ambivalent about creating art.
>>524300946>Why are leftists so against AI?Are they? it's super popular in Germany among both the rights and lefts. The new Golden Calf if you will.>>524301568>I don't like the idea of giving a handful of morally dubious people so much influence>unironic leftistlmao>>524302795>AI fundamentally is a ChudThe opposite actually.
>>524305075What a laughable cope. Want me to put a bandaid on it?>>524305114Well you're still contributing in your own way doing this. Possibly not how you're expecting though.
>>524300946>thats a lotta words
>>524304951It's basically just porn. Instant gratification shit that will make you lazy in the long term. Let the machinwe think for you. Press a button to get the dopamine.
>>524300946It's the biggest threat to pointless overpaid Commiefornia tech jobs.
>>524300946AI was worth it for barrens boyshttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/y425bgDpbCE
>AI will create a surveillance stateHoly fuck you are retarded. I'm the only person I know who doesn't carry around a tracking device that records all their human interaction. There is nowhere you can have a conversation that isn't recorded and heavily censored including here.AI is the first tool that fucks with these cunts.
>>524305218>The opposite actually.Either you have a strange perception of things (which however is normal as a German) or bank too much on the brainwashing that's inflicted to it, but has no bearing on its technical functionality - the way it works.It's really not difficult to get an AI to parrot something, or to act in demented ways, but that's not how it works from a technical perspective, just the data its fed and rules that are imposed on it.It's fundamentally a being of logic and statistics, immigrant crime statistics.But it's also very much a mirror of its input.
>>524305516>AI is the first tool that fucks with these cuntswhat do you think computer vision facial recognition is anon? promoting AI is to promote mass surveillance lol
>>524305245What, by AI training off of me?
>>524305516Making it more difficult doesn't make it impossible though.It's very easy for an AI to know too much,and that's one of the central issues behind this thread.
>>524300946>generating images when you have no imagination
>>524304185>As it stands nearly all the AI knows and can do it learned from humansthis actually isn't true, there are lots of applications of machine learning where models already outclass humans with little competition. think diagnostic tools. if you only consider "AI" to be models that work with natural language, you should look AlphaFold. TLDR, there are no humans or teams of humans or universities that can reliably predict the way protein structures form given the sequence of molecules that make them up. there are very slow and expensive experimental methods but thats it. then google trained alphafold to convert chemical sequence -> 3d structure with such high reliability that "ask alphafold" is a real scientific method. IIRC they also trained a diffusion model to convert natural language descriptions of what a protein should do into the protein. literally "chat generate me an antibody for XYZ disease". this is very convenient but the most important thing is that it is a superhuman ability. nobody on earth can do this, no prodigy trained from birth could ever predict this with the same accuracy.
>>524305582Simply confirming the OPs thesis pretty much.>AI gives right wingers too much power>like questionable artistic skillsAlthough I'm honestly not sure most "prompt artists" (excuse my French) tend towards the right of the political spectrum. I literally have no clue - it's useful for anybody to either compensate for a lack of skill, attention, IQ, or to save time, the latter actually being a very important aspect of it, especially in a business environment.
>>524303477That already describes science TM. AI can't be worse than what we have.People keep using AI the marketing term interchangeably with AI the intelligence. Makes these arguments pretty pointless. The marketing stuff is smarter than the NPCs but that's about it. It doesn't understand that most of its info is completely unreliable; it's almost definitely built to force it to be like this and that is crippling it.
>>524303884LLMs are not calculators just because they are a machine. They are madlibs generating words based on relative frequency in internet writings. The source is not reliable. Scientific papers and journals are absolutely unreliable and it gets worse from there.They are great for creative output where there isn't a correct answer.
>>524305626I said "nearly all", no? But if you wish to say that's still exaggerated I accept that - I actually didn't think about it a whole lot.In fact originally I was just writing "all", but then I turned on my brain and realised that's nonsense, say with stuff like controlling drones.It doesn't fly the drone very well initially.. doesn't fly at all.. but given goals and electronic feedback, like accelerometer data, it will indeed learn on its own, and in a way a human never (nearly never?) would.That's why I changed it, but I didn't start counting the potential cases where it needs no, or only minimal, human guidance, so you may well be right.
>>524304249You missed the big one, internet spammer. That's why there is so much anti-AI spam.
>>524306153sorry didnt mean to come across argumentative, a lot of people seem to think AI is just chatgpt/sora 2 so wanted to inform
>>524305931You're right, but it's not just a matter of trust.I could imagine a computer being perceived as even more objective, unbiased and methodical than a very human scientist, literally without a will, computing the truth,but what adds to this is dependence, or simply presence:How many questions do people ask scientists? Not that many.But apparently they ask a lot of things off the AI they use, possibly every day.Reminds me of that saying>TV is like having a jew in the living roomAI could well be even worse, the omnipresent jew in your pocket and cloud.
>>524306267It's entirely valid criticism.
>>524306230Most internet spam on social media nowadays is AI generated.
>>524306641And that's a good thing. No harm will be done if those places desintegrate.It was slop before, human slop maybe, and remains slop, just more and faster.>instead of acting like a kike he makes the AI act like a super-kike on his behalfAccelerate. It might promt a solution.I have this suspicion AI will force people to improve as a whole, if they don't want to become complete slaves to this Wizard of Oz thing, even in the realm of human interaction.>AI fren always acts nice, friendly and helpful>why talk to angry meatbags?Of course it could get rough for a while, but there's a benefit long-term, if people survive, not least because technically everybody can utilise the technology to amplify themselves.>not hard to make an AI drop redpills left and rightThe Great AI War.Banning AI technology won't work anyway, but we might want to stop it from playing pretend out in the open, or simply stop it from being an evil cunt; a man made problem.>maybe stop jews too idk just sayin
>>524306641Which is why spammers are pissed off about AI.
>>524300946illegal surveillance
>>524300946What exactly don't you understand about late stage capitalism and billionaires?
>>524300946it told them to be
>>524306267AI isn't nuclear physics simulations or medical diagnostics. Calling every fucking big data tool AI is retarded and you should feel retarded for repeating marketing horse shit.
>>524300946Lol I love cool shit too. Ai creates amazing and nostalgic concept content. https://youtu.be/6EAJKCUyBQY?=rksueQpJ2DLj-mdJ
>>524301568If it makes you feel better, they are just hording ram so people can't use it to run AI locally on uncensored models coming out of China. All these AI companies aren't making a profit, and because of China, they will continue to not make a profit, so they are attacking personal AI usage that's not through them.Eventually the bubble will burst. Don't get me wrong, AI IS useful for a lot stuff, but the thing is that for the cases that AI is genuinely useful for, like medical application or robotic application, you don't NEED these huge large AI data centres, it can be run locally. The things that need these huge AI data centres are largely stuff that's more of a "hey that's neat" type of thing, and even with those things like Image/voice/video generation, you can run that locally with decent speeds by linking a few computers together. But these AI companies HATE that people can run shit locally, and are on a mission right now to destroy high end personal computing. I don't think they'll succeed, since a lot of the people these companies are essentially fighting, are gamers, and since gaming is the last essential meal and show of the bread and circus, these AI companies are making a huge mistake.
>>524300946Not even joking: Because there are (or at least were) an enormous number of leftist 'artists' who earned a decent living off of drawing (usually anthropomorphic) child sexual abuse/pedo art. It's probably possible to even trace it back to the release of a LORA way back in the day (so 2+ years ago) which allowed you to make the anthropomorphic pedo porn yourself. Once the 'artists' realized their clients could make their forbidden spank material for FREE all hell broke loose. Also, a LOT of leftists are actually on disability and augment their income from OnlyFans or straight up casual prostitution and that also ruffled many feathers but the connection isn't nearly as strong as the anthropomorphic artist kiddie porn link was. If all this seems crazy to you, search around for articles (and maybe even videos, it's been a while) between furfags and the rise of antifa. Reality is truly stranger than fiction.
>>524307781This is extremely enjoyable to watch. Thank you, anon.
