New Zeihan just dropped. Firstly, the Reuters article is straight up CCP propaganda, it's 100% fake, just another chinese psyop. 2ndly, even if it was true, it doesn't actually mean anything. It was directly reversed engineered and cobbled together via old ASML EUV parts, China didn't actually make anything themselves, they just glued a bunch of old ASML EUV parts together into a barely functional machine. They can't actually make any of the high tech parts themselves. They are still decades away from mass production of true EUV.Let's look at the timeline here. As Zeihan states, it will be 2030 before they can produce a single chip from it. A super shitty chip with lots of defects and horrible yields as the EUV is a secondhand piece of shit, so it's not going to viable even for small scale production. It will take another decade after 2030 to improve the EUV machine until it has the performance of ASML's current EUV machines and and can actually fab 3nm nodes at a decent yield and performance.And modern fabs needs like dozens of EUV machines per fabs for mass production, with hundreds of fabs needed to produce enough semiconductors for China's needs . Even with a truly viable EUV machine, China will need to build up the supply chain to mass produce the EUV to the tune of dozens a month to catch up to ASML and TSMC's output. Which will take another 15-20 years to build up the the immense domestic EUV supply chain within China.So add everything together ann we're looking at another 30-40 years before China can mass produce 3nm chips in bulk. And of course, in the 2050-2060s, ASML will be on next gen lithography beyond even high NA-EUV and TSMC/Intel/Samsung will be on picometer nodes. China will still be decades behind. In fact Zeihan says that 7nm will be the last major node that they will ever fab, after all as Zeihan also notes, don't forget that China is headed towards total economical and demographic collapse by 2030 anyway.
>>524310375This guy's got to win some kind of award for being wrong
>>524310375>As Zeihan states, it will be 2030 before they can produce a single chip from it.that's pretty soon bro
>>524310375any native cope speakers here who can translate?
sly chinese shill thread trying to paint anti-china people as stupidi dislike your entire nation because you spam here constantlyyour mothers were dogfucked whores who were raped by every animal along the roads to their villages
>>524310831"in 5 years the chinese will be able to do what the USA did decades ago, china #1"
>>524310945That sentence isn't the brag you think it is. Billions of people between China and India reaching early late 20th century USA level of living is the biggest threat to the American World Hegemony.
>>524310945US? You mean what Taiwan can do
>>524311018you mean the biggest threat to their own governments.
>>524311070all the tech in taiwan is American tech. theyre just the employees that build it(its cheaper there) the chinese can capture taiwan right now and in 1 year their tech would be a year behind US tech since we are the ones that desifgn the chips and the equipment to build them. All you third worlders do is a crude imitation of what Americans do.
>>524311099Was that image supposed to be a counterargument?
>China Derangement Syndrome China lives rent free in your heads
>>524310375>TSMC/Intel/Samsung will be on picometer nodes.Impossible you can't go beyond 1nm on silicon at that point the reality basically bends and the electrons can migrate over due to complex quantum mechanics reasons (essentially the wave function of probability overlaps two places and it can "pop up" on either of them breaking the functionality)They need to figure out some other material or simply just not go any thinner traces but rather going more 3d and stacking more layers although im sure it comes with its own problems, im not actually a CPU engineer to talk authoritatively on this just saying that there is a limit how thin the space between traces on silicon can be and we're already almost at the limit
>>524311193i fuck your women in the chinese massage parlors. best price!
>>524311164Even if China invades Taiwan, they will never be allowed access to that technology. America has even said, they would bomb Taiwan on day 1 of any invasion.Better no one has chips than China gets hold of thatg technology.
>>524311222i know, but i was playing into his low IQ chink fantasy. their #1 dream is to take taiwan and steal our tech but theyre so retarded they dont understand that what they need to steal is the ones that invent the new tech and thats Americans.
>>524310791someone post the pic of him getting older and talking about chinas collapse
>>524311215is it not possible to make it so that a migrating electron can be distinguished and ignoredlike a higher probability of it having a different velocity or something
>>524311497i guess that doesn't solve losing electrons you expect
>>524311216Same question re: that video
>>524310941FUCK YOU. MUTT MUTT MUTT MUTT MUTT
>>524311215This. As Moore’s law ends due to the limitations of the physical laws of the universe, we’re able to build brand new fabs here in the US without loss of productivity. Mass chip fabs are already coming online with the most high tech scheduled for the coming five years. >>524310375China doesn’t innovate. Even their three gorge damn was designed by American engineers.
>>524311497Yeah well I'm sure they make up some sort of solution i'm not educated enough on this particular matter to know what the future holds here i'm not saying that we're at the end times that processors will just stop improving, just that something else needs to be figured out than what has been done the last 60 years of just shrinking the traces down
It doesn't matter if China innovates or not. It doesn't matter if they steal other people's homework or not. Life and real politics is not about things being fair or unfair like that. All that matters are the results and the ramifications.
china destroying open Ais moat with deepseek, taking the lead on 5g, having the US push russia into their corner, the US cannibalizing and ruining europe does not weaken americas power, the US becoming more niggers and spics does not reduce the navigable waterways which is the only reason the US is not a super powerright? that is why somalia is a shithole, waterways, education etc. not bulbheaded primitive niggersthe american super power wasn't it the headstart in the vaccine just 5 years ago? what happened with those predictions?
>>524310375As much I know, chinese have stolen ASML blueprints years ago.Issue was, that they could not use them, because patents are still holding, and for some reason, they were willing to honor patents in this particular case. So they went on a road to develop "their own EUV' version. Which is not covered by patents which is currently hold by ASML.Depending when patents expire, for chinese it might be enough just to wait like 7 years when patents expire. Meanwhile do research runs.That's a trick. That for "research purposes", that patent can be used, without paying royalties to ASML. But it is not allowed for commercial usage. In theory, they can set up several "research plants" to smooth manufacturing process, that when patents expire, they would need less time for tweaking, to have smaller defect rates.
>>524311520you right now
>>524310375If I were Chinese I'd be laughing non stop at the western cuck that seethe about us non stop
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>>524312984Yeah the chinese tactic on cutting on R&D costs and then undercutting the actual innovator is by stealing, that way you don't need to make all the costly research yourself and recoup its costs so you can sell the product for cheaper as you didnt design itBut that kind of tactic ultimately will just end up destroying innovation nobody wants to invest in new innovations if they know that chinks will just steal it and they cannot recoup the RD costsPlus you cannot really innovate that way either you cant invent anything new by stealing from others
>>524315409>Plus you cannot really innovateNot true. They can innovate. But they are not as good at it as europeans and USA was.Paper was invented in China. Gunpowder, porcelain. They had even something similar to Printing Press. But for europeans, whith way simpler alphabet than chinese hieroglyphs, when Gutenberg printing press was invented, it spread way quicker. In result, giving edge for european civilizations over others (knowledge spread become cheaper and faster).
>>524310375this guy is like straight from the CIA wall street jew textbook - AI IS AMAZING - EV's MATTER!! - US MILITARY IS STRONGER THAN ITS EVER BEEN like every single thing is the opposite of realityhe exists to stop capital flight from american stock markets and joe rogan platformed him just like he did all the other cia/mossad golems
>>524310858allow me:>we diverted all our time, money, and energy away from technological innovation to give it all to jews and niggers as reparations for hurt feelings since the 1970s, and now we aren't technologically competitive anymore
>>524310791yeah it's called a giant check from CIA camp>>524310941this is a DEI CIA golem - you guys are so fucking bad at this now. DEI CIA lowered your IQ to like forrest gump levels of prediction modelling.
>>524311099no, china is in the 1980s comparing it to the USA - except there are no jews in this version so their version of stock market won't get squeezed for 4 decades straight by mitt romney types - they will actually have government oversight that is responsible and not an ivy league school predatory leech class of decadent bougiesit's a giant mystery why the west keeps getting weaker no one can figure it out a GIANT MYSTERY
>>524310375Holy shit lol. If he fails to predict chinese photolitographic advancements and they pull it off faster than he thinks, all his books and videos fall apart.
>>524310375PRO TIP ANONS: the group really scared of China is probably not the americans - it's tel aviv exclusively - cause china is their #1 enemy in support of Iran now - which middle eastern used-to-be-powerful country sits on the east side of the middle east??? WOW which country would a railroad from china connect through firsT?? WOW THIS IS SUCH DEEP MATH RIGHTfucking faggots - all you shills just doing your little scummy jobs not realizing what you are taking part in. I hope the NSA meta data is used to track down and execute every single one of you. Traitors.
>>524316374no one believes you are real, faggot
>>524310375Is this guy a AI bot designed to attack everything about China?
>>524310375What the fuck happened to Reuters? They used to be actually pretty decent and unbiased, and now all they put out is propaganda slop.
>>524316467Go watch your morally liberal, fiscally lolbertarian homosexual pro-green commentator you fucking mutt lol.
>>524310375>Zeihanthe manthe myththe memetwo more weeks
Import more brown people
>>524316754you're so fucking dumb it's unreal - your comment was like i'm 15 years old and i never saw zeihan before - he's an obvious state department shill - you are like 5 years behind retard - lurk moarOMG ARE HIS B OOKS GONNA FAIL NOW - no one buys his books except digital sales to pad his pockets from CIA fake bank accounts - you are a functional retard
