Atheist here. Can someone edificate me? What is the true Christianity? Catholicism or Orthodox? I know there was a split.
The one the jews are constantly attacking and trying to infiltrate.
>>524322066I did not realize all of Christianity is true Christianity.
>>524322020Faith in Jesus as savior is real Christianity. All denominations are regional flavour.
>>524322020Gnosticism
>>524322020There was an ancient white pagan holiday of the longers night time day. >literally 12/21. Once the longest night day passes, every next day has more sun. As you get more sun , you get more crops and more food in spring. LIVE pine trees were decorated with real electric lights powered by atmospheric electricity .Then catholic jesuits came over and tried to take over this holiday.
>>524322020>He already knows Protestantism isn’t the real ChristianityBased. I’m a Catholic so obviously i’m going to shill for Rome. Not sure how Many Orthobros frequent /pol/.
>>524322020It's all fairy tale bullshit
>>524322020it's all the same bullshitmagical jews, magical jewish skydaddy and magic tricks
>>524322182It's all bullshit CURRENTLY because the ancient holiday has been taken over by the Vatican and catholic church: >>524322160
>>524322020>"Wherever two or more gather in My name, there I am with them"organized religions will meet their fiery end, along with the babylonian whore whom they fornicate with.
>>524322120Then I hope you have been unblinded. We are all the soldiers of Christ and none can divide the Church of God.
>>524322020None of it are white.
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>>524322166I enjoyed my time spent in Orthodoxy.The 90 minutes of singing was a bit much for me at first until I realized it wasn't for me. It was for Jesus.
>>524322237>reads words that only made their way to him because of an organized religion
>>524322166you worship Mary
>>524322733define worship
>>524322762idolatory is forbidden in christianity according to the ten commandments>you must have no other gods before God and not make, or worship carved images/idols of anything in creation.you build idols for Mary, you defy God.
>>524322306No universalists will be going to heaven chink bro. Most protestant denominations and also nestorians are destined for purgatory or hell
>>524322020Orthodoxy is the first Christianity and was essentially founded by Jesus himself. If any church was ever gonna be "the right one", it would probably be the one founded by Jesus.The idea of a pope is heretical. Otherwise their beliefs are identical. The only main difference is whether you recognize the pope's authority or not.
>>524322020Christian Identitychristogenea.org
>>524322715Do you think this somehow absolves you and your denomination of the blood that coats your proverbial hands?>durr we ruthlessly oppressed and killed the heathens>surely God will reward us for this filial pietyYour brain on fundamentalism, everyone.Unlike you, my non-shellfish eating fren, I didn't need a book to know that God existed. You can fact-check this statement while you take another sermon from boy lovers.
>>524322020Neither. Both worship their religious institution. Jesus Christ is not a religion. Jesus Christ is God, only He saves. And his ekklesia (fellowship of believers in Jesus Christ) is not some official registered religious institution that is of this humanist Romanist Babylonian world order. Also most of Protestantism of course, all modernist religions are harlots and only worship themselves and their humanistic inventions and ideologies, especially Roman Catholicism which is blatant heathenism, the mother of harlots.
>>524322020CATHOLIC CHURCH YESCATHOLIC BISHOP NOCF:>Canons IV and VI of the 1st Œcumenical Council there are also Canons II and III of the 2nd Œcumenical Council and Canons VI and VII and VIII of the 3rd Œcumenical Council and Canons I and V and IX and X and XII and XIX and XXV and XXVIII of the 4th Œcumenical Council and Canons I and II and VI and VIII and XIII and XIX and XX and XXI and XXV and XXXII and XXXVI and LV and LXXXII and XC of the Quinisext Œcumenical Council and Canons I and III and X and XI of the 7th Œcumenical Council.
>>524322020>Atheist here, I want to shit up the board with my off topic garbage, please bump my garbage religion thread because my TDS can't get over the fact that Trump got the majority white Christian vote and I can't get the same attention on r/atheism
>>524322857was the Ark of the Covenant an idol?
>>524322020>What is the true Christianity?no such thing
>>524326184Iam Muslimwe dont worship Mary or the ark >b-but you worship Ka'abaIt's a site of prayer not a worshipped idol>b-but you worship the black stonewe also dont worship the stone, it sent by Allah as a symbol to remind us that of our sins that brought us from heaven to earth.
>>524327285the ark had 2 graven gold cherubim on topit was the Throne of Godnow Mary is the Throne of Godmaking God present in the flesh
>>524322557lmao you're such a cuck
>>524322020The Catholic and Orthodox churches split when Rome got too big for her britches and went from "first in honor among brothers" to "the king of all Christians". Essentially they became authoritarian, which has enabled jewish infiltration and subversion, something which so far as I can tell has not happened and can not happen because you would have to subvert many churches at the exact same time, all of which would be alarmed and fight back with zeal the moment infiltration or heresy is detected. Even the Bolsheviks were unable to subvert it with the full force of the USSR behind them.I might change my mind on this subject if Ben Shapiro started endorsing Orthodoxy.
>>524322020The truest form of Christianity is practiced on the African continent..>High church attendance >Many true believers in Christs messageResults in a high trust utopian society free from crime and sin, everybody is blessed with an amazing and fulfilling life, diseases like AIDs are non-existent and everyone is happy to stay there. We just have to get our own numbers up and all our problems will be solved.
>>524322237>>524322715For realzy realz. People forget that the Orthodox and Catholic Churches (when they were one), had a number of conclaves to put the books of the Bible together. So many protestants just take the Bible for granted and reject the churches that wrote them out of hand (the Catholics rightfully so, as their centralization of power led directly and predictably to their subversion and corruption). But yeah, it's Orthodox.
>>524322020These are all just trimmings, the true essence of Christianity is complete and total obedience to the Jews.
>>524327895To put it in terms you can understand, it's like how your 90 minute long blood orgies aren't your favorite thing after you nut, but then you remember that it is for your father, Satan, and that you are going to suffer endless torment with him but you get a tiny whiff of power and authority in this world then you want to extend it to 8 hours.
>>524322020Love and Liberty
>>524327720>cherubiminterestingthe Quran mentioned the Angels who hold the Throne of GodThe Throne is one of God's greatest creations, a symbol of His Kingship on both heaven and earth. the cherubim are the ones who hold that Throne.neither Mary nor the ark are related to the Throne.
>>524327720also they are a total of 8 not 2
>>524322020Catholicism is compromised since 60s and Vaticanum II.Eastern Orthodoxy was compromised since tsar times.Protestantism is compromised since day zero.I will stick with Catholic sedevacantism until things clear up.
>>524328611for the advanced, Vegetarianism
OP here. I just remembered the Hussites and am convinced that they are the true Christians.
>>524328734>neither Mary nor the ark are related to the Throne.ahem>"And I will make myself known to thee from thence, and I will speak to thee above the Mercy Seat between the two cherubs, which are upon the ark of testimony" -Exodus 25:21>"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth" -John 1:14
>>524322020Orthodoxy is the true Christianity.>Orthodoxy: Father-Son-Holy Spirit are 3 distinct persons.>Catholicism: Father and Son are interchangeableI won't go into the whole thing here. It's a seemingly small thing but has massive implications.
>>524329794>Catholicism: Father and Son are interchangeableAmazing. No wonder they didn't want people to own bibles. "Me! Why have I forsaken myself!?"
>>524322020Wherever two people are gathered in the spirit of Christ.
>>524322066The jews created Christianity you dolt
>>524322160DAS RITE
>>524322020It was over the divinity of Christ. Roman Catholics believe Christ is god incarnate. Orthodox believe Christ was man TOUCHED by god and made divine.
>>524330128>Orthodox believe Christ was man TOUCHED by god and made divine.wrong
>>524328376>the true essence of Christianity is complete and total obedience to the Jews.If someone asks for your coat- jew- give him your shirt with it. The world has fallen foe jewish tricks
>>524329794yeah orthodoxy has it's own issues, but at least it isn't retarded like catholics/protestants when it comes to the trinity
>>524322020I do not have a single fuck to give for divisionary sectarian garbage on Christmas day.
>>524322020both of them became pagan."venerating" idols and iconsif your denomination puts church tradition over scripture, if it sees scripture as just "written down church traditions" you're in a demonination not a denomination.especially if they have to change one of the ten commandments because well, one of them says don't do something that your church tradition has you doing.
>>524330099>The jews created Christianity you dolt"The jews" didn't exist until the 1800's. You could say it was made by "Judeans" but even that seems a bit silly. He separated the wheat from the chaff, and the chaff that you hate went on to form into kikes, who became jews only much much later, thanks to a particular kike who got the permit to print money for Germany.
>>524322020>what is true Christianity Nestorian
>atheist Jew seething on Christmas asks devisive question >Now fight goys
>>524330128Both believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ, goober. The split primarily occurred over the wording change to the Nicene Creed, in which Catholics believe that the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son while Orthodox believe that the Spirit only proceeds from the Father. Neither side doubts the Father's primacy. And Orthodox also believe that Christ is God incarnate in human flesh yet wholly divine in nature. To say "Christ was just a man" is protestant/jewish/islamic heresy nonsense.
>>524322020Orthodox Christianity is the unchanged faith, catholicism is apostolic but they became obsessed with temporal power and introduced unheard heresies like treasures of merit.
>>524330128That is an insane take, Jesus Christ is literally God himself and he created the world, nothing was made or is ever made without him.
>>524322020>Can someone edificate me?why do you wish to become a building?
>>524322020Anything other than worship of our Sun and Earth is kike faggotry
>>524330951>To say "Christ was just a man" is protestant/jewish/islamic heresy nonsense.it's the kind of rageb8 that gets St Nick mad
>>524322733>veneration = worship No, retard, Mary and the Saints are venerated in Catholicism.Veneration is recognizing that these people who lived holy lives have been rewarded with canonization and have thus entered heaven through Christ's grace and mercy. Saints are closer to God than us, but not on the level of the angelic, thus your prayers are amplified through their prayer for you.. You ask them, not pray to them, ask them, to pray for you in a difficult time.
>>524330500>The jews" didn't exist until the 1800's.>The Phoenicians were an ancient Semitic people known for their maritime trading civilization that thrived along the Levantine coast, primarily in present-day Lebanon and parts of Syria, from around 2500 BC to 64 BC. They established a vast trade network across the Mediterranean and are credited with developing one of the earliest alphabets, which influenced many modern writing systems.
>>524331135Frankly Arius deserved it, but thats an entirely separate discussion. Nicholas did nothing wrong.
>>524322020Catholic is the one true holy universal apostolic faith.Look at the major schisms and the crosses that represent each branch of christianity. Every schism the cross gets further and further from the truth.Catholic (original) - Crucifix or One Bar Cross (full)Church of the East - Flared ends crossOriental/Early Orthodox - Two bar crossEastern/Late Orthodox - Three bar crossProtestant - Empty cross or One bar cross (empty)Protestants worship an empty cross, a dead tree, lifeless wood, an idol. Faith without works IS DEAD. There are no coincidences. God does these things for a reason.I used to think that jews were the synagogue of satan. Turns out I was wrong. Jews are satan. But Protestants are the synagogue of satan, his followers, his golems.Jesus be with you.
>>524330951Protestants have as a foundational doctrine that Jesus is 100% man, and 100% God simultaneously.Jews believe Jesus was a radical Rabbi leading a schizo sect of apocalyptic heretics, like the Essenes, and became a false Messiah.Muslims believe Jesus was just a prophet
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>>524331569Christ is God
>>524322020>>524322066>>524322141>>524322306>>524322557>>524325799Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant churches all teach satanic work salvations (false gospels) contrary to the teachings of Jesus and they are not Christian churches. Protestants, on paper, and only looking at the method of salvation taught in protestant churches, sound closer to Christians than Catholics and Orthodox churchgoers because Protestants are at least paying lip service to the fact that salvation is by faith alone.Watch this gospel video. It explains how you can be 100% sure of going to heaven after you die and this gospel of Jesus Christ doesn't get preached in the heretical Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox churches.https://youtu.be/qME9ynKt8e4?si=fm58-iKdmü1XoGmiAFeliz Navidad amigos.
>>524322168Fairy tales are pretty cool, you can learn alot of things through it and there's multiple levels of understanding them depending on your age.I like fairy tales alot, timeless life lessons.
>>524331492>Look at the major schisms and the crosseswhat is this?
>>524331492I don't know what you are talking about, crosses looked different in each pentarchy based on the national motives literally before the schism ever happened. I live in an area that routinely has monasteries from 4th and 6th and 8th centuries, each one has different unique artistic crosses.
>>524322020Christianity is literally goyslop. Worship the actual gods of your ancestors maybe?
>>524331625He is, but He was also human.Simultaneously.He had to be, otherwise He could not provide substitutionary atonement.He is the new Adam 1 Corinthians 15>42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:>43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:>44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.>45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.>46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.>47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.what was Jesus' favorite title for Himself?The Son of Man.
>>524331706Looks like the cross of a singular dude. Not a branch of christianity. Be edified.>>524331711So you call it coincidence? Yeah, your wrong. Be edified.
>>524331657the foundational doctrine of all protestant denominations is Salvation is by Grace alone, through Faith alone in Christ alone.all those solas that are toted.why different denominations of Protestants can get along is that they agree in the essential doctrines involving salvation.Things like how baptism is performed, Church politics and stylistic choices.. that's all stuff that they may disagree on but it is not salvific so it can be put aside to fellowship.
>>524331706P.S. The leader of EVERY branch of christianity is a fallible corrupt man. Not a god. The fact that every church is led by a loser does not deny the principles of said church. You still must make a choice. If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.Also, every religions leaders sexually offend at 1-2%. Most reports say that jews and prots are even higher offenders that catholics. But only catholics take the hate for it. I wonder why the media whould push that story on you?
>>524331874So what? His divinity isnt in question.
>>524322020Jehovah's Witnesses are the truest and most purest form of Christianity similar to that of the 1st Century Christians. We are the only ones following the Bible to a tee.Our primary message is that of God's Kingdom now ruling in heaven by Jesus Christ who has been enthroned as King. We use God's name and teach it to others openly. We are the only ones actively preaching the message from your local neighborhoods, your local businesses, to missionary work in the most distance lands in the world. All of this without shedding one drop of blood or firing one bullet at an enemy.JW are the only Christian sect who's members have never participated in any major war throughout their 100+ year history. In fact, they were imprisoned in the LOLacaust for refusing to war for Hitler WHILE they were imprisoned in the US for refusing to war for the US. Right now, there are JW in prison in Uzebekistan, South Korea, and Armenia for refusing military service. A few months ago Russia officially banned their work for refusing to be nationalistic. They are the most innocent of all the sects.Here's a video we made for the children.https://toronto.citynews.ca/2016/05/05/jehovahs-witness-video-under-fire-for-homophobic-message/
>>524322020None, there is no truth in religion. It is all lies True religion is worshipping lolis.olis are>cute >real>perfectAnd therefore deserving of worship >>524322066Christianity is Jewish you fucking retard. They can't infiltrate something they created
>>524331947>branched church theorythere is only One Churchand it forbids an effeminate forced-celibacy priesthood picrel
>>524322020I am Orthodox Christian but I believe that denominations are heavily related with national cultures. To be Orthodox you need to live in an Orthodox country, commute with Orthodox churches and follow the Orthodox traditions. It's a different way of thinking and living that can't completely be explained with words. It is something to be experienced.
>>524324182This is the original picture.
>>524332218It's notnot at all.However it's also of paramount importance that His humanity is also not in question.1 John 4:>1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.>2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:>3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.This was contesting Gnosticism, that claimed that Jesus was just a spirit, and did not come as a human being in flesh, that there was no bodily resurrection of Jesus, just spirit.Luke 24>36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.>37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.>38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?>39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.>40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.>41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?>42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.>43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
>>524330300Go argue with yourself. I am not playing these little narcissistic games with you, pseudo-intellectuals on Christmas. Sorry. I know why there was a schism, and I don't care about your OPINION.
>>524332324>following the Biblewho had authority to compile the Bible? which books are in the Bible and which aren't?the answer is: Catholic Church compiled the Bible and authority was given to apostles and their successors. only Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox churches have apostolic succession.
>>524332345The ORIGINAL leader of the church, Jesus, was celibate. I think we have a pretty strong case. LOL.But go ahead, take the advice of a fallible man that came 600 years after Jesus, instead of looking at THE KINGs life and how he lived it as your example.
>>524332461It's pointless, look into insane history of JW to understand how delusional their members are to believe it.
>>524331569The protestants don't count. Of all the false religions, that one has to be one of the worst. Oh, I can't get a divorce because I am a fat, stinky sexual pig? Then I will start my own religion where I can. So THERE. Fucking Britain has ALWAYS been full of assholes.
>>524327720Based New-Ark enjoyer
>>524332546>Oh, I can't get a divorce because I am a fat, stinky sexual pig? Then I will start my own religion where I can. So THERE. Fucking Britain has ALWAYS been full of assholes.And now they have the Archbishopress of Canterbury. You truly do reap what you sow.
>>524332461The Bible already had an established canon before the Catholic and Protestant churches came along.>OTJewish tradition credits Ezra with beginning the compiling and cataloging of the canon of the Hebrew Scriptures, and it says that this was completed by Nehemiah. Ezra was certainly well equipped for such a work, being one of the inspired Bible writers himself as well as a priest, scholar, and official copyist of sacred writings. (Ezra 7:1-11)>“We do not possess myriads of inconsistent books, conflicting with each other. Our books, those which are justly accredited, are but two and twenty, and contain the record of all time. Of these, five are the books of Moses, comprising the laws and the traditional hisstory from the birth of man down to the death of the lawgiver. . . . From the death of Moses until Artaxerxes, who succeeded Xerxes as king of Persia, the prophets subsequent to Moses wrote the history of the events of their own times in thirteen books. The remaining four books contain hymns to God and precepts for the conduct of human life.” - The Jewish historian Josephus, in answering opponents in his work Against Apion, around 100 CE (I, 38-40 )>NTIn the first century C.E., letters from Paul, James, Peter, John, Jude, and the governing body in Jerusalem contributed to the growth and the preservation of the unity and cleanness of the Christian congregation.—Ac 15:22-31; 16:4, 5; 2Co 7:8, 9; 10:8-11; 2Co 3:7; Ac 28:21; 2Th 2:2; Heb 13:22. All those were compiled.The oldest known reference to the NT Bible canon is the Muratorian Fragment which dates back to 170-200 CE. The Fragment mentions a non-Biblical book, the Shepherd, and states that a man named Hermas wrote it “very recently, in our times, in the city of Rome.” Scholars date the final writing of Hermas’ Shepherd between 140 and 155 C.E.The RCC didn't compile the Bible. God compiled it himself.
>>524332525>The ORIGINAL leader of the church, Jesus, was celibatestill is the leader of the church and not your popewhat are you going to say to Peter when you get to the pearly gates and he sitting there still holding the keys instead of your worldly heresiarch?
>>524332461The Tosefta, a written collection of oral laws that was completed by about 300 C.E., says with regard to Christian writings that were burned on the Sabbath:>“The books of the Evangelists and the books of the minim[thought to be Jewish Christians] they do not save from a fire. But they are allowed to burn where they are, they and the references to the Divine Name which are in them.”This same source quotes Rabbi Yosé the Galilean, who lived at the beginning of the second century C.E., as saying that on other days of the week,>“one cuts out the references to the Divine Name which are in them [understood to refer to the Christian writings] and stores them away, and the rest burns.”The Jews admitted that the Jewish Christian not only had their own books between the 1st and 2nd century but those books also had Gods name in it at the time. The Bible was done and collected by the 1st century.
>>524332546Honestly, I don't count the Church of England as Protestant, they are essentially as you said, the King of England making up his own thing for his own purposes. If the "head of the Church" is anyone but Christ, it's not a true Church. That includes the Anglicans who have the King as the head of the Church. It includes the Pope as well.But that's not how Protestantism started out, and you're not arguing in good faith and you know it.Protestantism started out because a Catholic Monk read scripture and noted that the Catholic Church was not following it.That is a valid criticism, and a reason to split from it.So the foundation of Protestantism was placing authority of scripture ahead of "Church Tradition" and seeing Scripture as "God Breathed" while tradition was just man's opinions.
>>524322020neither.Faith in Jesus Christ.
>>524332525Was Finland really that powerful back in the days? I didn't know they had knights as well.
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>>524331492works without faith are pointless.
>>524322166Unfortunately I frequent this shithole very often.
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