Do any other Christians think that Christ being God and the Trinity make no logical narrative sense? I've been thinking about this a lot lately. There are too many parts in the Bible where Jesus prays to the Father, not to mention that Saran trying to tempt Jesus makes zero sense if Jesus was God.
>my fellow christians
>>524322626Um jesus was a prophet he aint god niggaGoogle gnosticism
>>524322680I was baptized.
>>524322626Jesus was a jew and wore tefillin and tzitzit
>>524322626All of christianity makes no sense.Just because it gives you a spiritual orgasm, doesn't mean its true. Christianity is false doctrine. It is a spiritual opiate for the masses of cattle.True spiritual fulfillment is from fulfilling the laws set out by the one and only God, like the pharisees said.We need a meme "The pharisees were right about Jesus."
>>524322626Isn't the easier answer that you don't understand these things because you haven't think about them enoughYou haven't prayed or listened/read people more advanced that you in these matters?You talk as if you're the center of the world lmaoIf you don't understand them doesn't mean it's illogical lol, or others haven't
>>524322867I've listened to plenty of scholars on both sides and the pro-trinity arguments sound like mental gymnastics. Feel free to prove me wrong.
>>524322768I'm jewish and honestly I kind of doubt it bro. We have been without a temple for like, double the time we had a temple. God never gave us a choice in which commandments to perform, it was either ALL of the commandments, or we get the curses. Without a temple, we cannot perform ALL of the commandments. Without sacrifice, there is no way to atone for our sins. We knew we had been forgiven when the red string turned white on Yom Kippur. Now, how do you know you are forgiven your sins?
>>524322722And yet you claim to not believe in the savior in whose name your parents baptized you, so apparently sprinkling some water doesn't produce faith in Jesus
>>524322722>>524322768If you want logic you'll find out it surpasses your capacitiesSome are confortable with less, but if you aren't then you obviously need to read and investigate moreIt's not Cristianity that is flawed, it's your understanding if it
>>524322983Nice projection. I didn't say I didn't believe in him. I said I don't believe the interpretation that he is God himself.
>>524322970You should look into where you got your custom about the red string turning white. It wasn't commanded by God, i'll tell you that for free
>>524323056If you're trying to sound like a narcissistic faggot, you're doing a great job.
Who gives a fuck about semite fairy tales
>>524322915The fact that I know you're lying is actually funnyYou haven't listened to plenty of schoolars defend the Trinity my friend, we both know thisI know this because I haveNow I won't shame you any further, just know that you're the one deciding your own fate, You can't blame God or anyone in the endGod blesd you
>>524323060You just said you didn't think he was God, and when the premise of you being a christian was questioned, you pointed to a ritual, not to any scripture, not to your prayers, not to your repentance, not to God at all. You come across as a nominal at best, and a shill on Christmas at worst.Why would Jesus matter if he was anything else but Emanuel?
>>524323194Dude, stop shitposting for attention. Either provide some kind of argument or don't waste my time.
>>524323224Jesus is the son of God, not God. I don't see how this makes Jesus less important.
>>524323074>Come now, let us debate, says the Lord. If your sins prove to be like crimson, they will become white as snow; if they prove to be as red as crimson dye, they shall become as wool.The red insect that produces the crimson dye "tolaat shani" climbs up into a tree and turns white from red to complete its life cycle, symbolizing the forgiveness of sin.
>>524323108My best argument is that you pray and truly Open your heart to the truthHow about that, true Christianity Something you're rejected completlyDon't complain You don't understand things when You simply turn your back on themGod bless You friend, do not blame God for your own mistakes
>>524322626Christ in the testament was a man-god (бoгoчoвeк), not GodAfter dying, he descended into hades to deliver the souls denied God's grace by the old testament (this is where the bronze feet come from)Christ having risen is part of Jesus attaining theosis and paving the road for the rest of humanity - "God became man so that man might become God" t. Athanasius
>>524322626The Father is the Monarch, the Source. This is basic Christianity 101 that was defined in the first few hundred years.The Cappadocian Fathers define God the Father as the "true God" but not in a way that means Jesus or the Holy Spirit or lesser persons of God. When they say "true" they mean the Father is the Archay, the Source where the Son is Eternally Begotten, where the Spirit Eternally proceeds. John 1:1 tells us that Jesus is the Word.>In the beginning the Word was with God and the Word was GodThis tells us Jesus was with God and was God, has always been God, but how could He be with himself? Because he was with the Father and Spirit. "Elohim" in the Old Testament by its very definition is plural. In Genesis, God does not say:>let ME make man in MY imageHe says:>let US make man in OUR imageUs, Our, there is a plurality to God that even Jews themselves have a hard time wrestling with. The Trinity is the truth, Jesus died for your sins, God died on the cross, and God arose on the 3rd day. Jesus Christ be praised.
>>524322626Trinitarianism is just an early method of teaching how Jesus was all those things in one person. It's not cannon, it's not explicitly in the Bible. For the most part, people nowadays aren't lacking in imagination and don't have to be taught how one person can be the embodiment of multiple divine aspects; they've read a fantasy novel, played a video game, seen a movie with supernatural elements to it, etc. but back in the 1st century these ideas were hard to wrap one's head around and a consistent explanation for all things being true was necessary so that all church leaders were teaching the same thing.There were heretical schisms in the early church like gnosticism and Arianism causing serious infighting about who had the right of things that lead to the 1st ecumenical council of Nicea (which had some kino moments like pic). But, yeah, if you're confused about any of that stuff, it's probably because you're taking Trinitarianism way too literally.
>>524323536>This tells us Jesus was with God and was GodThe Son, not JesusJesus is the Son made flesh, both fully human and fully divineJesus is Christ, but Christ =/= Jesus, same as with the Son and God
>>524322626Daily reminder:Jesus wasn't born on christmas day.Stole its festive tradition traditions from European Pagan YuleThe 12 days of Christmas were originally the 12 days of YuleThe Commandants were copied from the EgyptiansA religion of lies and contradictions
>>524323658Have some respect and learn to shut up with your blasphemy on the day of His birth.
Well saran wrap is going to pack us up and send us to hell's kitchen.
My God is one of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness and forgiveness.
>>524323707Low IQ secular larpagan nonsense Jesus was born on December 25th according to the old Calandar (Julian). The world uses the "new Calandar" (Gregorian) which turns back the clock by a couple of weeks. If we follow the old calandar and compare it to the new, December 25th lands on January 7th on our new Calandars. Nothing to do with pagan nonsense.In layman's terms, Jesus was actually born on January 7th, which is the old December 25th. Pagans have not been relevant in like 1000 years and have this inferiority complex with Christianity that is pretty sad to see.
>>524322626you should be imprisoned for worshipping a child raping false godhow dare you promote jesus and his lies
>>524322768get bent jew fuck god and jesus they are vile facist cosmic parasites
>>524322626I kinda dig that sort of heretical narrative where Jesus was not a God when he was on earth, but ascended as one after his death, becoming sort of god of humanity, whereas the Father and Holy Spirit are more multiversal and less interested in humanity.
>>524322626Nothing other than Jesus existed and was a good person makes any logical sense. You get the gist of it now?
>>524323060Great. Let me explain to why why Jesus is infact God incarnated in the form of man. You see, when Adam and Eve fucked up, Jesus explained to them that a savior would come from Eve. God flat out intended to be born incarnate into humanity so they would have a redeemer. What Adam and Eve did ended up putting man in a guilty double minded state where he would constantly try to correct himself with government and religion, inevitably technology would reach a point where these would globalize and then synthesize. Hence, the beast system. Satan intended to guilt trip man into a mental feed back loop where because they were double minded with the knowledge of good and evil, it would open man up to becoming self righteous, and because man would be the source of his own problem, this would open man up to worshipping Satan instead because Satan could then just pretend to be good using moralism and religion. You have 3 distinct choices and 2 of them are positionally the same before God's eyes.You either >internalize your guilt, call god a liar and merely deny his existence. >externalize your guilt, becoming religious while accusing God of enabling sin with Grace orYou look at what Jesus did, and see it for what it is, God incarnate shedding his blood for your sake when you are totally helpless to stop from playing into Satan's moral dialectic with your flesh. The first two options are just a big grift between 2 types of unbelievers, that try to fool you with distinctions that mean nothing but money making off of both sides. You either believe or you don't. Matthew and Luke deal with religion quite a bit, and Jesus tells priests all the time that their hypocrisy is just them wearing their pride and gatekeeping while pretending to be good. Its irrefutably proven correct when the Cross depicts the best pretenders of mankind crucifying whom they know to be infact God incarnate. Vindicating what Jesus said, and explaining full well why he did what he did
>>524323745Jesus is the son of Mary, you dumb nigger.>day of His birthNice try, cuck, but I don't recognize revisionist nuchristian """calendars""">hurr durr we celebrated Christmas on the wrong day for 1600+ years opps haha, this is the correct one, goyim>t. head kikeNo thanks, golem.>blasphemyDon't you have some singing niggers to clap to at church today?
>>524322626his bible in the painting kinda looks like a drum machine, hella based.
>>524324166Jesus is the Son of Mary and God, retard. You're some Arian idiot based off of what you're saying, which is surprising. This website is full of legitimate idiots.
>>524324284>Jesus is the Son of Mary and God, retardAssuming the blatantly offensive is a lapsus, how was JESUS "there" before being born, retard? Jesus was an actual physical man capable of dying, the Son incarnate. INCARNATE - IN CARO - IN THE FLESHGod did not make himself man before he made himself man to bring forth the new testament, you troglodyte.Jesus is the Son, but the Son =/= JesusThe Son is God but God =/= the Son
>>524322768So, what you're saying is you need a special place or thing to perform your rituals for God to reward you?Congratulations, you just defined idolatry you dumb fuck.Protip: you wouldn't need forgiveness from your sins if you weren't committing them constantly by virtue of being in a religion that requires you to be in a perpetual state of it.
>>524322626Don't try to make sense of a fake, gay, and schizophrenic jewish sand nigger story.
>>524324147>atheism/religion is grift This. Grace is entirely its own separate category from this clusterfuck and Satan intentionally created a segment of people that deny the entire premise to create a false dichotomy. Denying the existence of God with such vitriol, even when you have an excuse because you’re reacting to religion, doesn’t excuse the fact that the vitriol clearly indicates that you know God exists and are merely refusing to acknowledge his existence because it simply makes you feel like shit, for lack of understanding of what Jesus did because religion makes it seem like God totally fucking hates you. Meanwhile he comes down here in the form of man and dies for you even foreknowing all the shit you’re going to do anyway, and the determinists bitch and moan because they’re double minded and grandstanding outside of the gate while Jesus is simply patiently waiting for them to realize what he did at their lowest point in their lives.
>>524324284You will never be human, shit skin.
>>524322626If you think this you aren't Christian so no.
>>524324147Why do you use foul language?20With the fruit of his mouth does a man's stomach become sated; with the produce of his lips he is sated.21Death and life are in the hand of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its produce.
>>524324594It's called a Theophany, dumbass. The pre-incarnate Christ.Tell me smart guy, if Jesus says NOBODY has EVER seen the Father, which God did Abraham eat with in his house before the destruction of Sodom?>uhhhh uhhh an AngelAbraham refers to the being as ELOHIM, my LORD, and falls down on his face to worship Him. He offers sacrifice and physically eats food in his own house with the being. Angels are bodiless powers, are bodiless powers capable of eating? Gee if only there was a person of the Godhead that EATS FOOD.It's not the only time either, when the Old Testament says Moses "ate with and spoke to God face-to-face", am I to believe that was the Father? So, when Jesus says "NO ONE has seen the Father", what He means is "NO ONE except Abraham and Moses and maybe Samson's parents and uhhh"You're an Arian and a dog. Repent from this retarded nonsense.
>>524322626>I don't understand the gospel
>>524325035>Christ>JesusIt's like you're retarded or something.
>>524325035There’s also the time God wrestled Jacob and made him squeal like a liddel bich.
>>524322626the bible is filled with so much double binding it renders most of its readers retarded. Jesus Christ is about as close as a pure spark from god as humanly possible, essentially a sacrifice from the divine to help awaken our minds and hearts to the holy spirit. He is holy, eternal and forever our guardian and savior. His mission is incomplete and he is building an army to vanquish the devil here on Earth.
>>524324944Go worship your demons somewhere else for a day
>>524325194>his mission is incomplete His own words just before he died on the cross.>it is finished PHEW LAD
Christians are fucking stupid.Not because they believe in God but because they can't decide on who God Dumb fucking niggers belong in the outee darkness with the rest of the dogs.
>>524322626There are plenty of Christian sects that reject the demiurgic monad. Including Isaac Newton. The Trinity was a neoplatonic invention to make the faith more palatable to Roman society.
>>524322626No, I don't. It makes sense because the over arching narrative of the Bible is people falling short of God and turning away from him with a big part of it being God being to incomprehensible for people so Jesus is his way of bridging the gap for us, saving us while also leading by example. The holy spirit is basically the essence of God which resides in us all when we're saved so we know we can never be separated from God. A lot of people try to gatekeep God and say you can't get saved unless you do what they say but that's not true because our body is a temple for the holy spirit and God resides within us where our souls are. You can always talk to God and God is always with you.
>>524325262So why is Jesus still here on Earth helping humanity. Because his mission is finished right? Because the devil is gone? Not very Christian like being an asshole. So yes, Christ evidently has more work to be done, including saving your soul. Only 2 percent even escape purgatory and perdition.
>>524323060He is God himself. He mantled it through the Atonement. He is the maker of heaven and Earth. The Father is the unmoved mover. Christ came to do his will; manifesting the countenance of the Father. Strict monotheism is demiurgic, set up to prep the goycattle for the state/Lucifer as the god of this world.
>>524322626It's the only logical conclusion it you believe Jesus is the Son of God. If you don't believe that then you can't really be a christian, you are antichrist.
>>524325532>purgatoryOh great, someone who thinks religion from double minded men who know evil is what Jesus was asking for, just as they directed the Roman soldiers crucifying him to drive nails into his hands and feet under charges of blasphemy and inciting insurrection. It’s like you’re comically unaware that Satan is a moralist and is going to use religion to co-opt the surveillance technology the secular world is building. Do you unironically believe that it is possible for your body to stop sinning in its current state? You do realize the knowledge of good and evil is a blatant moral dialect that allows Satan to disguise himself as good by subverting your expectations of his character with your double mind whilst conditioning you to think you’re justified by what you do despite the glaring fact that you’re aware of evil.
why did christ ask God why he had forsaken him?
>>524325772Because Jesus was taking on the full wrath of God on himself.
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>>524325704You have a lot of work to be done, anon. May Jesus Christ reach your soul and help you realize your ego does more talking than your heart. Merry Christmas.
>>524322626Anon, you are beginning to awaken. I've done some research on the Trinity, let me share it. >What is the TrinityAccording to many theistic scholars, the Trinity is the most mysterious part of Christianity. The biggest "holy mystery" if you will. The idea that God is the father, son, and holy spirit. All of them are simultaneous and equally valid, and there is a distinction between all three members, whilst they are paradoxically all one being. >Where did it come from?This is the part that gets debated. Many parts of Christcuckery comes from superior religions that came earlier. By that, I am of course reminding the reader that Christ merely paraphrased the likes of superior prophets and scholars such as Zoroaster Spitama, Siddharta Buddha, Lao Tzu(Old Master of China), and Socrates. Also Christians inherited certain Greco Roman and Zoroastrian customs. The problem is, none of these ways have a holy trinity. The trinity and Christ are two distinctions to distinguish Christianity by. >So what doea the Trinity mean?I have found only one explanation. Churchoids will say "it's a mystery consisting of an interposed paradox with three members that are both distinct and separate from the others", but in the words of a scientist, the trinity is cope, created through debates and questions like these:>If Faraoh is God, how come He dies? (ctrl r Jesus)>What existed before Jesus? >Who is the dude in the sky who talks to Moses, Faraoh, Abraham, Zarathustra, etc? He claims he is almighty God>If Jesus is Übermensch, how is he different from Hercules who was but a son of ZeusLast one hits hard because the son of a god was not the same thing as being God due to demigods having polytheist origin. Maybe you believe many demigod Übermensch have existed, but how is Jesus the only one? Being son of God isn't enough, he has to BE God to unite the goyim under the Hebrew faraoh. He has to be greater than Moses, Zarathusra, Buddha who never said they were God
>>524325947He is right, purgatory is double minded vs forgiveness. If you forgive, then you don't come back at the last moment and get revenge.
>>524325772Among other reasons, because the crucifixion is the fulfilment of the prophesy of Psalms 22.It opens with the same line, and goes on to describe the events, the killing, the piercing of Christ's hands and feet. Another angle is that in ancient israel a custom existed of calling oneanother to recite scripture in public. But instead of quoting the verses, the jews performed them
>>524326096this truly doesn't make any senseand it also reiterates the question of free will, or why some Christians blame the jews for Christ's death when it was apparently the plan all along.
>>524325877>I don’t understand so I’m just going to literally beg for (you)’s Simple.Religion is antichrist Atheism is antichrist Both of these justify one another and incrementally move towards a global theocratic surveillance state. It’s a moral dialect, no one is good down here. It’s people pretending to be good and the blind versus the blind. Believers merely exist down here.
>>524322626How can The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit be three separate persons but all One God?---If you have three persons who are all called God, then you would have to apply every attribute of God to all three persons just as they are described in the Bible.They would all have to be omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, the creator, the sustainer, perfectly righteous, perfectly just, loving, merciful, truthful, faithful, unchanging, eternal, infinite, Holy, The Most High.Only the first 3 attributes listed here are needed to understand the Triunity of God.Omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence.A question that many Christians find difficulty answering when asked is, "How can The Father, Jesus The Son, and The Holy Spirit all be God if there is only One God?"On the surface of this question it would seem to be an impossibility according to logic that we understand.How can three be one?If you apply the attribute of omnipotence to all three persons, then you may realize that a paradox could occur.Hypothetically, imagine a scenario in which two of these omnipotent persons took an action against each other.Whose will would prevail?If they were both truly omnipotent, then it must be that both would prevail, but that would be an impossibility.It would, at this point, seem that two or more omnipotent persons that have distinct wills could not exist at the same time.However, a solution to this paradox is formed once you begin to apply the rest of the attributes of God to these persons.If all three persons are omniscient, then they would all be wisdom itself, and knowledge itself.They would, all three, have perfect understanding of all things, including the will of each other.Having perfect knowledge, the decisions and actions of all three would be in perfect agreement in all ways.Therefore, the paradox of omnipotence would never occur.In fact, it is this paradox of omnipotence that becomes the impossibility.
>>524326240Next, look at the attribute of omnipresence.This answers the question that is the most difficult to reconcile with our logic.How can three be one?If these three persons are all omnipresent, then that would mean that all three of them exist perfectly and entirely within each other in every place and in every way.They would seemingly be separate to us, but one in truth.They all three occupy, within each other, The Most High place, that is, the Throne of God, in perfect unity.The Father exists perfectly and entirely within both the Son and The Spirit.The Son exists perfectly and entirely within both the Spirit and The Father.The Spirit exists perfectly and entirely within both the Father and The Son.
>>524326212Those are just people trying to divide us, if Jesus died for my sins then I am to blame.
>>524325772Good question, two reasons:>It was Jesus's human nature crying out. We see this before in the Garden of Gethsemene. Jesus ask's the Father "let this cup pass from me". He knows what is coming, his human nature is afraid of the pain, is afraid of death. In the moment on the cross, Jesus mantled every sin that would be comitted and has been comitted, all at once. His human nature cries out in fear, pain, and sorrow right before He dies.>He was quoting the prophet Isaiah.It's also a direct quote from the Old Testament. Psalm 22 to be exact. The Jews present at the crucifixion confirm this, because they cry out "look, he's speaking to Isaiah!". It was confirmation that the one Isaiah prophecized about was indeed Jesus Himself.
>>524322626you are body, soul and spirit too. whats so hard to understand?
>>524325772Jesus became a curse for us, since anyone hanging on a tree (wooden cross) is a curse.
>>524326212>i didn't really care about the answer to my first question, let me move on to the next point in my toolkit>point 2. the jews are good
>>524325242>everything not jewish is demonicKill yourself mud.
>>524322626It doesn't matter if it makes sense, it is mandatory for maintaining it is monotheistLoad of Jewish shite anyway
>>524322626>make no logical narrative sensehow dare God be beyond your understanding
>>524326275Stop blaming yourself. Get rid of the cuccery and stand up. God wont show up in front of you unless you take drugs, and then how do you know anything is real? You can force yourself to see him, yet the harder you try the worse you see. Lao Tzu says this. >Guilt for killing XristRests on the Jews of the Old Covenant that killed him and denounced him as a prophet. And maybe on the governor Pontius who had the authority to intervene, but didn't. IIW Pontius, id want a healing proof test or something. Id demand the power of the Allgod be shown before hurting Jesus. At any rate, none of the guilt is on you. You also can't really kill Jesus. He never permadies, he just flies away like an alien
>>524326655You are quoting Paul book Romans. Ok. However, Paul gets debunked easy. If God is unable to be comprehended, then how did ancient prophets get all these specific details on divine nature? If God is truly incomprehensible, then what good is a random trinity against my way of water?
>>524326212>Free willThis arg was used so often to debunk the Jewish Allgod that Paul says in Romans using this argument is heresy, reason being who are you to question God. The reality is of course that this question requires Eastern views to actually answer. Will is an illusion because you should will only to be in harmony with the universe. So what if you wont know it all? Willing against the universe, going against the current is tiresome. When you follow the current, your will aligns with the Universe because you are part of it
>>524326927you dont have to understand the nature of God. you cant anyway. its enough for you to know Jesus redeemed you from sin
>>524326212>why some Christians blame the jews for Christ's death when it was apparently the plan all along.God just knew what was (((typical))).
>>524326001Or, God spoke to all people at all times they would listen, both through nature and his Holy prophets, and the Jews are just one fold, with people like Moses, David, and Hercules prefiguring what was to come and redeem the world.
>>5243226261. God made us in his image presumably2. Most people have internal dialogues within their own minds especially while grappling with serious issues3. Somehow it’s illogical for God to do this, especially when incarnate and facing death after assuming human weakness?Never understood how this is a contradiction. Do my internal dialogues in my mind somehow subordinate one part of my psyche to another?
>>524327532>Jesus the redeemerYou need more than just fairy tales, you need logic when debating a Buddhist. Let's leave aside the subjectivity of your so called sin for now. Secretly, I know where your views on the subject are misguided, but we will forego subjectivity of sins for now. My other question would be: how is your moral loophole any good? Your God no longer fights evil, he pardons it. Also you (humanity) happen to have an evil nature (highway to hell stairway to heaven). Also Jesus never died because killing a god is impossible, else it is a dead god. Also i wasnt around at the time. Also, Christ merely parroted words of superior prophets. Zarathustra said that you have to live according to the Gathas and only then will you go to Heaven. Jesus says you are a wretched sinner but through him you are redeemed. Why is the cuck0ldry necessary? Why does Christcuckery instill self hatred every time? What do I have to apologize for? Existing? Surviving? Mistakes I made? The past and universe are too meaningless for all this nonsense. Jesus never wrote shit down, so he doesn't even have an established philosophy unlike Siddharta, Plato, LaoTzu, Zoroaster, Moses, etc. I understand if you challenge the last 3, that's ok. The thing about Lao Tzu for example is like Sun Tzu, it didn't matter if they existed or not irl. Their words matter. The words of Jesus is self hatred and suicide. Poison. His philosophy is poison to the soul. Full of magic morality loopholes and Jew worshipping self hatred and hatred of sex etc.
>>524326927Better: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. -John 17:3Jesus' own words rebuke that incomprehensible garbage, which is stood up as a strawman to deceive the elect that the lord of creation is an incomprehensible demon, from whom they should turn to Lucifer the "light-giver." Just the seed for satanic inversion from the lips of a Roman emperor.
christkikes are completely fucking insane lmao
>>524328266>t. The syntax in which I reply to anyone is merely ‘(you)’Because how can you just say things like that. Gonna be a fat ass and eat all the low hanging fruit too?
>>524328350just stay away from me in real life you nutjob
>>524327819If Jews aren't God's only chosen people, and Jesus is not the only prophet nor son of God, that implies multiple paths to heaven and technically goes against the trinity where only Jesus exists as the son. The Muslims think Jesus said "don't worship me". Their accounts and Egyptian ones differ from Hebrew records. Once you start to realize that there were many holy people in history, your views start to change. Walking on water, resurrection, and healing powers are based, but there have been legends of men taking on entire armies. There are legends of Holy men simply standing still for generations, and other crazy shit. Who knows what happened? Perhaps magic was more prevalent in the old world? So the legends go. Although in today's age we have tech, a form of magic. One that allows us to have this conversation now.
>>524327964wait until your subconscious becomes fully aware.now you have your conscious, subconscious, God and satan talking to you when facing a problem and you are left as the decision maker.
>>524322626>God the Father>The Word become flesh Jesus the Christ>The Hoky SpiritThree that are One The Holy Trinity Mind. Body. Spirit.Merry Christmas everyone!
>>524325016Because my flesh? Or are you going to literally disregard everything i say because of sin when i literally testify that because of what Jesus did alone, im going to heaven. Galatians will plainly tell you that people who try to perfect themselves in the flesh end up becoming more depraved as a result. Hence religion drives us towards the beast system.I have no illusions regarding my standing before God without Christ. so asking my why i swear in light of knowing what Grace is, pretending not to know how it applies to someone who believes the gospel is highly suspicious at best.
>>524328172trvke
>>524328524You're the one internalizing your guilt as an atheist and blatantly denying the existence of something under tremendous (outright fucking heroic effort) vitriol to just deny you're guilty at all. Next you people will tell me that you engage with people you believe are retarded under a moral pretense when if you actually believed what you espouse you wouldn't even talk to them. Fuck atheism would technically be invisible to the world just as believers are to religion. Clown.
>>524322680>Let's not defend our cucked faith at all in debateWhat is it worth then? You'd defend your flag or your way?>>524327964>God made us in his image presumablyI find this self aggrandizing dangerous philosophy that contradicts with the more natural idea of a formless god. Besides we know our forms have changed and are changing. >>524328213Secondhand words from an Apostle. Also he is effectively denouncing all other prophets, the possibility of other demigods, etc. I am God King Faraoh no one else. Tactics Jews learned in Egypt. They still work i guess. You have not yet realized that a man is not a god, thus Faraoh dies. THAT, my friend, is the actual explanation. That is what the world shows. >>524328690>SchizophreniaWhat overdosing on religion does btw
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>>524329070>goycattle has to call higher though processes "schizophrenia" to justify their mundane state of existence
>>524322626>no logical narrative senseOf course not. It's beyond human understanding.
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>>524329273>Lame memeHow many women did gay Christ have sex with? He was "above temptation" if you catch my drift. Definitely no average man. Quite different from me iykwim
>>524329313No I'm calling you out as a schizo because you are typing actual babble>>524329362They are not the same, Muslims are the superior ones because they fight the Jew while Christcucks just suck Jewish cock
>>524329407Atheism literally advocates for gay sex and justifies religious retards building the beast system. You literally deserve one another and both of you will be made to kiss once the antichrist brings you into his massive circle jerk.
>>524328881No, “believeing in Jesus alone” wont save you if you are purposefully replicating the sins of the antedeluvian peoples and then saying “You dont understand I LITERALLY HAVE TO SIN.” You testify against yourself. Didn’t you know that many are called but only few chosen?
>>524329469youre a stupid shill. your entire existence is typing babble. repent and seek Jesus..
>>524329492Making fun of sky man is something enlightened religions do because sky man doesn't actually exist, and even if he did it wouldn't mean anything because we don't fucking know that shit. We want answers we can't have. It's likeliest we will never even know cuz when we die we simply sleep. Anons itt still haven't realized that is the best possible scenario. Death is as real as life, and if you step outside yourself, you don't fear it. You don't fear a world without you. Christcuckery preaches the opposite of detachment from self. Attach, because you're strapped into this consciousness forever. Makes sense for a religion with a BDSM instrument as a symbol...
>>524329547>hey my dood I’m going to pretend to be good by observing 1-2 of the commandments when I technically break them all everytime I sin in thought word and deed everyday It’s almost like this is precisely why Jesus went through the trouble of dying on a cross for you so you would know that salvation has nothing to do with the law and is entirely to do with your faith in what Jesus did. Religious people believe God exists, they simply refuse to believe God did what was necessary to fix it. They’re antichrist. They’re just larping as good people while consistently proving to be hypocrites while they accuse everyone of enabling sin, including God. >>524329550
>>524322626God cannot enter his own universe. It would explode on impact.But he genetically and spiritiually grew humans to the point where ONE was born that was able to hold his holy spirit.It' s not rocket science.
>>524329550What was the last book you read? (exclude the Bible although you can mention it en passante)Also you mentioned literal schizo itt with hallucination deities coming alive and talking to you
>>524322768Got any proof for that verbal diarrhea?You silent? Yeah, thought so.Bitch.
>>524322626I can't understand something so it doesn't exis-ack!
>>524322626The only way you can think this if you do not have proper orthodox understanding of the trinity. Father, son and the holy spirit are literal three distinct persons. But because all three of these persons are uncreated, outside of space and time, and are of the same nature they are one being.If humanity existed outside of time and if we were present everywhere all at once we too would be in perfect communion with each other and would be effectively one entity but in multiple hypostasis.Now to be precise the reason why this is possible is because God by his nature is the only being who is entirely outside of time, entirely uncreated and entirely outside of chain of causality thus his self is eternal. Eternal not as in before creation of earth, eternal as in eternal in all directions of time simultaneously, he simply is.Now to be even more precise the three divine persons are in eternal constant and simultaneous communion. The Father of all, the son who is his eternally begotten logos and the spirit which the father breathes and fills everything eternally. God tends to operate within creation in a distinct manner in his three person's. From the father and his eternal Logoi which are in the divine mind, they get spiraled into temporal creation through the son who is the eternal Logos of existence, any they get subsistet through the holy spirit which fills and binds all there is. This vector from the father through the son in the spirit is how God constantly operates created reality from eternal state into temporal created time.
>>524329717Why did Jesus tell the man he healed to bring his offering to the priest anyway? Why did Jesus tell the woman accused of adultery to go and sin no more? Is he trying to catch them in a bind to convict them according to your twisted calvinist gospel?
>>524329660>appeal to ignorance You literally deny God exists without even knowing it to be the case. You are literally the control group that proves that faith is a modal function that contrasts itself with religion, simultaneously proving that atheists know the difference between God and Religion because they will only acknowledge one of them. meaning athiests are aware that believers have nothing to do with religion, yet conflate them anyway. All while athiests vote for the same degeneracy they disagree with in a moral pretext and justify religious retards enslaving them with the beast system. It’s a dialectic you dipshit. Religion and government exist, you have the set pieces right there in front of you. If this discussion was about evidence (it’s not) and your position actually cared about being rational or scientific (it doesn’t need or require it) you’d realize that immediately.
>>524329724If God is all mighty, he could turn himself into a spaceship and fly around the universe. Your logic kinda sucks. >Vessel thingGod can take the form of water, he doesn't require a human vessel. He can do anything by Christcuck logic. >>524329769I'll tag team for him. Christianity has multiple logical fallacies, with certain ones inherited from earlier monotheistic religions (ie Jews): >is manifest destiny real or not?>Can He create a boulder even He can't lift?>Why does He allow imperfection? >Is he good, or simply just by virtue of endless power (a tyrant)>Why does an all mighty being demand worship from little insects like usEtc these questions can easily be thought up
>>524328839Compositional view of the trinity is a condemned heresy in all forms of chalcedonian Christianity.All three persons of the Godhead are fully distinct persons, fully God in essence, operating in one eternal communion outside of time, with one energy and one will because their eternal uncreated state makes them one being. That being said God tends to operate in a way similar to the way you described, even though all divine persons fully have the divine essence they tend to operate from the father through the son and in the spirit which can be compared to operation of a mind through the energy of the body and in the collective spirit.
>>524322626The world if christianity never existed
>>524329746some biochemical study study book while I was still in university some years back.>you mentioned literal schizo itt with hallucination deities coming alive and talking to youI didnt talk about any of that. I was talking about higher thought processes. not drug trips. repent.
I generally don't understand why the creator deserves to be worshipped at all. For what should I be grateful to him and why pray to someone who will not give me abilities not available to default mortals?
>>524329959Calvinists create nonexistent false dichotomy, it is a very Hegelian and in many ways post enlightenement view of reality. Christ sacrificed himself and restored human nature in a way that no human ever could, but faith itself is a work it requires energy, passive faith ontologically does not exist period. If you believe in Christ then you must act like Christ and you must want to rid yourself from sin, it is proactive energy because faith is a work. It is insane to think that passively stating that you believe in Christ automatically absolves you. Faith is not equivalent to an empty verbal declaration of faith.
>>524323224Does Jesus want you to be a judgemental cunt on his birthday?
>>524330244>but my free will>nothing without godMakes sense right?This god seems very unimportant, useless and powerless if I have total free will
>>524329959>he who has the seed does not sin If you take this passage to mean you have to stop sinning, you are blaspheming Christ. Totally ignoring what he did at the cross and pretending just as the Pharisee did that he was simply a possessed insurrectionist. Jesus said “it is finished!” Meaning the work of God. The work of God is what saves you, salvation isn’t something you can earn or merit.
>>524330008>You literally deny God exists without even knowing it to be the caseI can't disprove a formless eternal nameless being. However, even if it did exist, its will would be incomprehensible. In fact, witnessing or standing near such a being would probably incinerate you. Also, just because a being like this theoretically exists, religions based on it are full of logical paradoxes that go unexplored. My issue forms when these paradoxes are given forms, customs, rituals, and finally rules.>Believers have nothing to do with religionReligion inherits the flaws of man, and is an imperfect host. Like the Pharaoh to Ra, it is a vessel that is flawed and dies, but is still magic and cursed. Religion is artificial, but a higher being is natural. Again, W for Eastern religion. Why should your God even have a form? A face? >Voting government blah blah blahAll fake and gay, especially voting>I'm an unbelieverMummy curse was realJFK was cursed by vodou before he diedMadame Laveau supposedly had power (she was kinda Christian)I witnessed magic before fr
>>524330244What a stupid question. Your purpose is to be like the image of God, that is why you were created. Faith in Christ deifies your person in humility freeing you from the mental prison of addiction and sin.Communion with God grants you eternal life in Christ, the only source of eternal immortality.
>>524322626the idea of the holy ghost makes no sense - is it a person, an aura, an ideology, what the fuck is it
>>524330244he gives you a reason to.
>>524330481He also gives reasons to not appear or do anything at all after the copper age right?
>>524330281>ignores entirety of Paul >ignores Peter in Acts>probably takes James 2 and Hebrews 10 out of context >religion.exe
>>524322626shit doesn't have to make sense, it is a matter of faith, you either believe or you are a jew
>>524330104If you imagine God and Satan talking to you, you are already 75% to being a schizo>>524330244He doesn't care if you worship Him because he stays invisible and silent. If he wanted to speak with you, he would appear. >>524330313Tao says evil isn't real, but just a failure to be one with the universe. Following a misguided path, because you can't see out your dirty windshield
>>524330619I'm not a protestant to ignore anything, I speak exclusively from a holistic and completely unchanged set in stone theology and objectively correct view of the bible passed down from the apostles in an unbroken chain through the Orthodox church.You talk from a WEF Zionist pastor Bobs point of view, we are not the same.
>>524330024If God is all-mighty, it means his creations are not.Creations that are not all-mighty, have to follow the rules and laws of nature. Otherwise they were all-mighty. You follow me here?Ergo, God canNOT enter his own universe. Not in any other form than spiritually, as the holy spirit.Are you really this dense?
>>524330699>Tao>let me explain religion with other religionMakes sense
>>524330619Go and sin no more.
>>524330610>or do anything he sustains and gives you breath every day you live. you have water, food, electricity and sanitation which most of humanity never had in such a secure amount. be more thankful you are not a starving peasant.>>524330699>If you imagine God and Satan talking to you, you are already 75% to being a schizosatan talks to 100% of humanity all the time. the more you know.
>>524330779If God is all mighty, he can change form. If God is all mighty, he can self duplicate, although he would stop being all mighty at that point because there would be one who is somehow his equal. I suppose he could also destroy the duplicate, or the duplicate could destroy him. The key word is could. An omnipotent deity is by default bound by no rules. Time isn't even binding, thus it knows all possibilities of what could happen, could ever have happened, and what will happen in your timeline.
>>524329847This doesn't make any sense. God is the first cause. If a 'part' of God is dependent on or subsists on another 'part,' it isn't God.
>>524330771>wear robes like Pharisee >talk like Pharisee >hypocritical, like Pharisee >God I thank thee that I am not as other hypocrites are! >I wear black robes instead of purple and red! Come the fuck on, I wouldn’t even use the word Protestant. It’s ironic that someone who subscribes to orthodoxy is using a term to blanket smear an entire critique of religion in general when the basis of doing so implies you agree with Catholicism and that your schism is essentially bullshit unironically pretending to be at odds with one another. Which is positionally exactly to be the case. Protestants don’t even believe the gospel. It’s just religion and pretending to keep the commandments. John and Paul said shit would eventually become like this near the end.
>>524322626Deus-Pater (Vedic Dyaus-Pitr) is the pure consciousness, the Holy Spirit is an aspect of the pure energy, and the Son is the awakened mind that is one with the Father. The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, Spenta Mainyu. Spenta Mainyu is known as the Holy Spirit in Zoroastrianism and is part of Ahura Mazda's own being, allowing humans to connect with divine power through embodying Asa (Truth) and Vohu Manah (Good Mind). Ahura Mazda was developed from Varuna, the Vedic God of cosmic order, so Spenta Mainyu being his active energy would be the Shakti of Varuna, therefore internally it would act as a guide to align with Asa (Rta) in order to align with Ahura Mazda. From there it would open the Amesha Spentas, there's 7 of them, and obviously it was taken from the chakras. Zoroastrianism is a revision of Vedic Hinduism that Jews took a lot of lore from, including the story of Adam and Eve (Mashya and Mashyana).
>>524322626You will pay.
>>524322680How to be 100% sure of going to heaven after you die explained in about 4 minutes:https://youtu.be/qME9ynKt8e4?si=fm58-iKdmü1XoGmiA
I forgot to mention, Christ probably died in the desert when he went out for 40 days with no supplies. That's when Satan came to speak with him. >>524330783I hate to split hairs, but Tao is a philosophy with no implicit rituals. It is less of a religion but more of a philosophy. Plus, it appears in certain athletic activities such as boating, skiing, surfing, martial arts, etc. It is kind of a physical/mental state. >>524330980It's all fairy tales. Your concept of Satan is incongruent and easily attacked.
>>524330980>god does everything for you>also you have to be a wagecuck all your life, go to church everyday, constantly pray to me so I don't flood the planet send you plagues or kill you again you ungrateful bitch>you have total free will No contradiction whatsoever yes indeed thanks for showing me the truth
>>524330024>If God real why bad thing happen?Pretty piss poor argument.
>>524331015Re-read what I wrote slowly, work on your reading comprehension.>>524331028There is literally no point in talking to you, if your brain can not grasp that the same church that codified Biblical canon was given the authority to do so by the holy spirit then why are you even reading the Bible as is? Why aren't you reading book of Enoch and Gnostic gospels? If you don't think that Orthodox church confirming the church canon was from God and if you do not believe that Nicea was from God you can not be Christian.
>>524322626Can an ant understand humans? probably not. So how can you expect to understand the Lord? Jesus prayed to the Lord because, although they were one and the same, Jesus was human as well. I assume it will all be explained when we die, but honestly it doesn't matter if I understand it. Not my place to understand it/explain it, I just place my faith and trust in him.Merry Christmas.
>>524331201>It's all fairy tales. Your concept of Satan is incongruent and easily attacked.youre the living proof of his existence.>>524331211but you do none of that and are still sustained. its almost as if God does all the work for you and you have to do nothing in return but appreciate him.
>>524331280I simply believe 1 Cor 15 1-4 to mean that I am going to heaven. GRACE THROUGH FAITH.
>Requires the promise of paradise and threat of eternal damnation to behave like a decent human being>Claims to have a monopoly on moralityBrown morality
>>524331201But I guess a magical immortal monkey makes more sense. You really ARE retarded arent ya?
>>524331201>philosophyPlatonism, neoplatonism, aristotelianism all of them were philosophies too yet christianity wanted to burn all their shit and supress it all the time, what was wrong with those and somehow taoism is compatible with christianity
>>524323194ew brown catholic flag
>>524322867>prorsus credibile est, quia ineptum est
>>524331370That's not an incorrect reading but it is an incomplete reading. Faith is not a passive statement it is an active state of your soul, it requires energy.
>>524331302Yea maybe I don't but tell the same thing to this people
>>524331651>look at the these poor fucks, let me pull on your heart stringsyoure a satanic tool, repent.
>>524331547>backloading works into the gospel like a Calvinist.‘Ye, hath Jesus really said “Anyone whom believe in me hath eternal life”?’‘Hath God really said?’ ‘hAtH gOd ReAlLy SaId?”
>>524331740>can't explain and justify black death>you are satanicTOPKEK
>>524331280Three doesn't equal one. Work on your math skills, retard. But since you don't even seem to understand the basic tenets of your own religion, let me hold your hand. The Nicene creed states:> I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God,And goes on to state:> I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son,You seem to be Orthodox so ignore the Filioque. Regardless, it clearly states the Son as BEGOTTEN and the Holy Spirit as PROCEEDING FROM the Father. Temporality does not matter for being in a state of dependence according to your own religious creed. However, God by definition is Almighty, and to be Almighty one cannot be dependent on the work of another. Worshiping a dependent person, or two, is not worshiping the True God. Listen to the words of your own Prophet, Jesus:> And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.Worshiping three persons or entities is blasphemy, and is not what your own Prophet Jesus taught. Repent.
>>524331746You do not believe in God if you say this.For example, if you do not give alms you do not believe in God, if you sin you do not believe in God, if you don't seek eucharist you do not believe in God. Believing in God would mean that you would be in constant repentance towards God actively like the apostles every time they rejected him.There is real no point in this if you believe such a low tier theology.
>>524331836>>can't explain and justify black deathimporting silk and other goods from china for materialistic purposes that are opposed by the teachings of Christ.go fuck yourself.
>>524322626The Trinity is a Helenistic philosophical idea and pagan belief. Not a Biblical teaching. We know this because of the definitions used to describe it: Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, and persons is all Greek metaphysical terms originating in Helenistic Philosophy going back to Plato and Aristotle. The word hypostatic union comes from hypostasis. It is a philosophical idea from Helenistic Greek Philosophy. The Trinity can only be supported with pagan doctrine. These terms and beliefs are not found in the Bible but in Plato, Aristotle, and Pythagoras. The Trinity can be traced back through old triad gods, Greek Philosophy, and Hindu avatarism.The definitions of the Trinity itself: Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, persons, hypostatic union are from Plato, Aristotle, and Pythagoras all taught these centuries before Jesus was born. Just trace "hypostatic union" on Wikipedia. It goes straight back to Plato, Aristotle and Neoplatonism.Think about this: If I started using word like "Means of Labor," "bourgeoisie," "proletariat," "Base and superstructure" and called myself a Libertarian you'd all cry foul and accuse me of being a Marxist and Communist. Why? Because all my terminology used to describe "Libertarian" ideology is all Marxist in nature. You would all call me a fraud.Why not with the Trinty? That's where the entire definition of the Trinity comes from. None of the terminologies, definitions, and understanding of the Trinity comes from the Bible. It all comes from Greek Philosophy, Stoicism, Hindus, and Pagans.
>>524331917>trying to bring me under subjugation with the law I don’t want to be a galatian. I’m not religious. I’m dead to the law and I have reconciliation with God through Jesus.
>>524331941>materalistic>ah yes this poor christian hard working peasants who go to church all day because it is middle ages and unless you do that the church burns you alive deserve all of this because of that definitely their fault
>>524330991>An omnipotent deity is by default bound by no rules.That is true, but only as long as he doesn' t interact with his creations. Any omnipotent being - that comes into contant with the universe - would shatter it on impact.What happens when I put an oven (all-mighty god) inside an igloo (the universe/his creation)? The igloo melts and puts out the fire. God cannot enter his universe.
>>524332087>every european was a poor starving peasantpea brained jeet
>>524332087>blaming God for religious men extorting religious men So now the athiest is the defender of the self righteous that want to enslave him with their religion?
>>524329273It is literally what Christians call him.
>>524323987Pic related>“Most of the Christmas customs now prevailing . . . are not genuine Christian customs, but heathen customs which have been absorbed or tolerated by the Church. . . . The Saturnalia in Rome provided the model for most of the merry customs of the Christmas time.” -Encyclopœdia of Religion and Ethics, by James Hastings, Vol. III, pp. 608, 609.>“In A.D. 354, Bishop Liberius of Rome ordered the people to celebrate on December 25. He probably chose this date because the people of Rome already observed it as the Feast of Saturn, celebrating the birthday of the sun.” - The World Book Encyclopedia, 1966, Vol. 3, p. 416.>“Christmas originated at a time when the cult of the sun was particularly strong at Rome.This theory finds support in some of the Church Fathers' contrasting the birth of Christ and the winter solstice. Though the substitution of Christmas for the pagan festival cannot be proved with certainty, it remains the most plausible explanation for the dating of Christmas” (The New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. 3, p. 656, emphasis added throughout).Besides Christmas being pagan in origin are you all aware Jesus WASN'T born on December 25? The Bible doesn't say when he was born. What we do know is that there were shepherds outside when he was born. That's not possible on December 25 in Israel because it's extremely cold and snowy that time of the year.At the same time Jesus died on Nisan 14 at 33 1/2 years old. Nisan 14 is April 1st for us. Count 33 1/2 backwards starting on April 1st and that takes you to September-October.That correlates with the shepherds being outside that time.So Jesus being born on December 25 is a lie. Remember who the father lie is.
>>524322626Trinity is bullshit.Orignal Christians were Aryan. Trinity dogma was imposed on Christians in Nicea in year 325 and Arians were doomed to be exterminated for not following Holy Trinity Dogma.And there is absolutely nithing in Bible which supports Holy Trinity. There is one passage where Jesus says "Father and I am one" which you have to braindead retard to interpret as Jesus and Yahwe being one being considering Jesus calls Yahwe Father over and over again and even on cross cries "Father why have you forsaken me". The "We are one" phrase is typical phrase used in various languages and cultures to mean that you agree on everything and not that you are literally the same being.Then apart from this there is a problem of Holy Spirit. And here we have completely zero passages which says that Holy Spirit is part of Yahwe or Jesus or both. It is more like emanation of divine force of God than separate being.So yes, you are right - Holy Trinity is complete made up bullshit contradictory to The Bible.
>>524323553That's Modalism, which isn't Trinitarian
>>524323707>The Commandants were copied from the Egyptiansqrd?
>>524332165>you don't understand middle ages unlike me a germanoid turk fucked by immigrantsSurprise for you I am white and know my history
>>524331902Lol>And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father; by Whom all things were madeDo you really want to talk to me about trinitarian theology? My view of theology is the default patristic view of the trinity, do you want me to quote Cappadocian fathers or what?
>>524332347then you must know a lot about getting fucked by turks
>>524332247If you are Arian go join your retarded Jehovah's witness buddies in the heretic club.
>>524332216Do I worship every time I tie my shoes?Dumb shit.
>>524332192>explaining history and asking historical questions>somehow self righteous>don't think or say anything, that is not how my religion works
>>524322626I will explain it to you in terms you will understand. However, it is not a perfect metaphor.God exists on a separate plane of existence. Think of him like the one controlling a videogame. The game only exists on the computer. He is the Father and has his own life. The playable character is Jesus. He was born and lived in the game. He has his own life and was fully human. However, he is the playable character. The Father acts through him, meaning he is also fully God.>Satan trying to tempt Jesus makes zero sense if Jesus was God.Exactly. It was futile.>>524322722Most babies born here are baptized. The babies have no choice in it and are therefore not Christian. It is a choice.
>>524332425>I like turks and they did to youNo shit
>>524332204Oh shit I’m sorry, I just realized that God has nothing to do with the problem. Atheists don’t believe skydaddy because they don’t have an earthdaddy. So they vote for anal sex to get it from big daddy government instead.
>>524331217It is not a poor argument because it always leads to a pwn. You might go all Odin and say "he wants you to perfect yourself through struggle" but it always ends up going against manifest destiny in the end. Without manifest destiny, eternal heaven and hell make no sense. Without manifest destiny, Christcuckery has 0 ground to walk on. Do you understand why Christians require manifest destiny? Without manifest destiny, you have 0 liability for your own decisions. You shot up a shopping mall? It was Satan. You don't deserve to go to hell because you're just a vessel doing the will of something else. Satan made you do it. A convenient scapegoat, and a valid one. With no manifest destiny, the most evil people would be seen as part and parcel. Likewise, if you created a cure for cancer, it was actually the Holy Spirit that gave you the idea, therefore you don't really deserve to go to heaven. You're just a mindless pawn doing the universe's bidding. Tao offers an alternative answer to the manifest destiny debate, but because there is no eternal karma in taoism, it doesn't actually matter. Siddhartan Buddhism and Christianity do have eternal karma, therefore they have to have manifest destiny, like Zoroastrianism. Judaism does not have manifest destiny however.
>>524332445I’m saying you’re trying to attack God for religious people suffering when they oppose God themselves you absolute tool. Atheism tries so desperately hard to imply that religion is what God wants when it actively opposes the gospel. Religious people are self righteous you dipshit which is why it’s ironic that you’re defending them as an atheist, someone who is publically known to be their sworn enemy because of religions political aspirations. Wow-zee mama retard.
>>524332433You are heretics. Holy Trinity was forced in year 325 by centralized power of Roman Bishops. So what were Christians, original ones, persecuted ones, with Disciples and Gospel writers believing for 300 years before your heresy?And Jehowa Witnesses are also closer to original Christians than any of you Protestants, Catholics or Orthodoxes who celebrate Winter Solistice and claim it is birthday of Jesus, which could never happen at winter, because noone ever did population survey at winter. And Luke 2:1-7 clearly states Jesus was born during population survey.
>>524331917>Believing in God would mean that you would be in constant repentance towards God actively like the apostlesYou are the definition of a cuckold. If God made me and gave me willpower, I'm not gonna waste it by being a cuck to him. Especially when He doesnt even show himself. Why the constant state of repentance? Why the self hatred? Why do Christ's words boil down to suicide and self hatred every time?
>>524322626Yes because he was a prophet of God. Trying to fit him into some sort of god role requires a lot of mental gymnastics. Not a single person understands the trinity nor can they explain it.
>>524332721>religious people suffering>not religious>their fault>they deserved to be burned alive for being religious because they were not religious>fuck you for questioning everything and my god's way of doing things like flooding and killing people and sending plagues for no reason but somehow he is good and all loving
>>524332512You think God is impressed with you shitposting in his name on the spiritual sewer of the internet on this of all days? Is this going to count in your favor at the pearly gates? This is what I don't get with /pol/ Christians. You claim to be all devout but act like total shitbags. Which makes me think you don't really believe in God at all, because your expression of "faith" is entirely centered around boosting your own ego. If you don't get how pathetic and ungodly this is, you're not a Christian despite what you tell yourself.
>>524332400No thanks. I would rather listen to the words of real prophets like Jesus or Moses who did not teach a version of polytheism.
>>524332907God curses Adam and Eve and the universe with fucking entropy to illicit the point that religion nor any effort of man will avail them from their problem, which is entirely the way you think. 6,000 years of history to pull from and this is the hill you want to die on, talking about how God is a monster or that he doesn’t exist when the 6,000 years of human history clearly demonstrating that if mankind was capable of fixing himself it would have fucking happened by now. Such brave optimism from people who advocate for subversive degeneracy while turning a podium into a pulpit. Dishonest cunt.
>>524332247>Orignal Christians were AryanFunny way to spell Jews>>524332204Actually true >>524331443Taoism is not compatible with Christianity on crucial issues. Someone who follows the Tao may say that they are a Master of the Way, but they wouldn't call themselves God. Jesus called himself God.
>>524332940I’m not trying to earn his favor, I received it the moment I believed in what he did. Amazing. The fact that you can’t take my word for it ignoring the fact that I’m self aware while accusing me of doing the opposite is the icing on the cake.
>>524333029>the world is 6000 years old>god allows rape murder plagues violence and evil>god tricks us>god created fossils to trick us>god good
>>524333121So you're basically a spiritual kike. You think it's enough to just "believe" and you will be saved. It's a loophole for you. The New Testament could have been one sentence if that was actually the case.
>>524322626It's not supposed to make logical sense. It doesn't need to.
>>524322626You are not saved. You don't even think Jesus is God, search the scriptures and see the Trinity
>>524333221>allows sinYou are religious and you just don’t understand how you are. You’re accusing God of enabling sin, when Jesus went to the cross. You agree with religious people, and unironically are prophetically guaranteed to kill me and people like me, simply because we believe the gospel. Rather than some religious people, whereas until 10 fucking seconds ago, you were their sworn enemy.
>>524322626The Trinity is very hard to grasp but why shouldn’t it be? Why should the God who created the universe and everything and who is all powerful and all knowing be something simple for a human mind to understand? That’s actually a Muslim critique of Christianity. They literally say there must be not trinity, just God the Father cause it’s too hard to understand for their inbred camel herding brains.z
>>524322626Well, at this point you wouldn’t be a mainstream conception of a Christian, but maybe closer to something like Arianism (the belief of early theologian Arius, regarded as heretical by most mainstream branches).Interestingly it’d also be close to an Islamic conception, where Jesus is a divinely inspired prophet and creation of God, but not God himself/he is distinct from God Himself. Hence why he seems to refer to “the Father” as something above him. Maybe Sufi mysticism is up your alley.
>>524333267Matthew 7:22 Notice how none of them are claiming to be justified by what Jesus did? Because all of these people already entered through that gate. Kikes literally work hard to avoid believing in Jesus. All of the hypocrisy and law bending just to simply deny the gospel. Religious people regardless of their religion all do the same thing and strive to pretend that what they’re doing is believing in Christ, when in reality all they’re doing is putting faith in themselves and what they’re doing, and they boast about it.
>>524333406Isaiah 45 7Who forms light and creates darkness, Who makes peace and creates evil; I am the Lord, Who makes all these.
>>524333459Because the Trinity is confusing. It prevents people from approaching God and developing a relationship with him. Not only that, but in the Bible Jehovah uses confusion as a weapon against his people's enemies. >Judges 4:15-15Then Jehovah threw Sisʹe·ra and all his war chariots and all the army into confusion before the sword of Baʹrak. Finally Sisʹe·ra got down from his chariot and fled on foot.>Exodus 14:24During the morning watch, Jehovah looked at the camp of the Egyptians from within the pillar of fire and cloud, and he threw the camp of the Egyptians into confusion.>Joshua 10:10Jehovah threw them into confusion before Israel, and they inflicted a great slaughter on them at Gibʹe·on, pursuing them by way of the ascent of Beth-hoʹron and striking them down as far as A·zeʹkah and Mak·keʹdah.Exodus 23:27-27“I will send the fear of me ahead of you, and I will throw into confusion all the people you encounter, and I will cause all your enemies to flee from you in defeat.
>>524333774Are you ok with committing adultery?
>>524333459your own "old testament" AKA the torah says there is only one god, christcuck
>>524333459Since the Trinity is confusion there are only two possibilities. Either God is confusing his own people OR the Devil is also weaponising confusion as well to prevent people from approaching God.
>>524333459The trinity is easy to grasp when you understand that it is simply cope with the fact that Faraoh is God but dies. An ancient question even during the time of Christ: if Faraoh can die, how is He God? Some kinda duality is needed to cope with this idea. Mind you, the Pharaoh didn't "carry" God inside of him, he was God. The origins of Trinity. Another anon ITT (German dude) said God cannot touch His own universe, thereby insuring manifest destiny. Discussions like these have happened over the millenia. I think that anon is mistaken on several counts, mainly that God is part of The Universe should he exist, but whatever. Trinity is cope with the fact that mortal man is not God. God can't be killed with some sticks and nails, and he also if he actually could heal the sick, walk on water, and resurrect, then he wasn't human whatsoever. So much for the son. Übermensch are not human and father had preference>The fatherCould have had many sons, this is a formless deity>Holy SpiritMore formless than the fatherSome anon itt said they are all people, and technically they could manifest as such, but the concept to me of the Trinity seems like giga cope. Sounds like something I'd make up to win a debate.
>>524322626>logical narrative sense?There's no need to.Jesus Christ is God, Holy Spirit is God, Father is God, you just have to believe it, it's called faith.I know that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, sent by God to save us all and I don't need explanation, nothing can modify, suppress that truth because I have faith.
>>524333839God is just, Evil then becomes a tool for his purpose. Wonderful how people who subscribe to dualism think in a dialectic that proves Satan exists but then deny that God exists in the next second.
>>524333774If you want to enter into life, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS - JesusFaith alone = eternal hellfire for being a dumb cunt
>>524333950The trinity is scholastic cope and no more>>524333851>ConfusingConfusing because it makes no sense and is created as cope to the Faraoh question, as well as a few other questions. It explains how God appears in many places, although He has one son supposedly. The father appears before the son, and the Holy Spirit was always there too, even before Father showed himself. It is almost as if Father is watching, but Spirit is there. The thing is, it's all one Universe. These forces are formless. Jesus never wrote anything down. If he was an Übermensch, then not a writer, either that or his writings were rekt by Jews. Let his followers go die for him, they consider it an honor. The Faraoh question still stands, how can a few sticks and nails kill a God?
>>524331370>>524331746>"If anyone does not remain in me, he is thrown aside like a branch and withers. They gather these branches, throw them into the fire, and they are burned"Also 5 foolish virgins were believers, but they were not ready and prepared, they were busy getting high and playing video games like all the lukewarm christians, and then they got shut out of the Kingdom and God said "I dont know who you are"Faith alone/OSAS/Eternal Security is literally a strong delusion God sends to people who don't want to commit 100% of their life to him and his commandments
>>524334011After reading the thread I have come to conclude that according to the majority of christians, God has violated His own commandment from Leviticus 19:14.
>>524331194False gospel, you are leading people to hell 1post devil
>>524334014Who was he talking to.
>>524322626Wait... Is it possible that the Jews 2000 years ago were in fact still Jewish?
>>524334202>false gospel Literally NO ONE famous believes in faith alone. And you’re going to unironically imply that this means you have it right? You know why the call it the broad path? Because the broad path doesn’t recognize differences based on religion, it’s categorical. Meaning you either believe what Jesus did alone was enough, or you’re not going to heaven bubby.
>>524330244>For what should I be grateful to himYou can start with each and every breath you take, which you did not earn but was given as a free gift of God so you could experience the glory of his creation in the flesh.
>>524334328Do you really believe you can commit murder, adultery, and lie, and get into heaven with a soiled wedding garment just because you were invited?
Isn't it so much easier to believe that God is simply just one instead of somehow 3 or becomes a random dude?
>>524334328>Meaning you either believe what Jesus did alone was enough, or you’re not going to heaven bubby.Read the 5 foolish virgins, they were believers but were shut out into outer darkness. You are a reprobate thats why you cannot understand the parables.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025&version=NKJV>>524334208To those who have ears to hear. Those who have the Holy Spirit. All believers who is part of the body of Christ. And believers can be spewed out of his body if they are lukewarm.
>>524334014>Keep the commandmentsThe first one is retarded because it requires specific deity worship, when the deity is fucking formless. The other ones are fine, but now you're allowing only monotheists into heaven. Jesus himself revised the Commandments, notably the one on the adultery. On many occasions he would say"It is written (Moses said) X but I say Y"Who cares if you don't keep the first Commandment? Almost everyone has something before God, because the Way is hard to see. And we are but beasts. Perhaps worshipping mammon is short sighted, but not believing in anything is the default state of things in our universe. It is the essence of the Void. If you ever really sat on top of a mountain under the stars, looking out at the heavens in all directions, you would realize it. Everything is Void. We are specks, and inconsequential. The only thing we can do is float in the wind. Belief in nothing flows with the universe, because let the universe take you where it will. Christians are dumb as fuck for considering Pride the worst win, when Desire is.
>>524334413>gods enabling sin with the gospel! Begone Satan.
>>524330313You can't have light, without the consequence of casting shadows. Evil is the shadow of the human heart rebelling against God.
>>524334502Do you know the leaven of the Pharisee and what it means?
>>524334328>or you’re not going to heaven bubby.Stop with the antisemitism.
>>524334570So it is your position that sin does not exist anymore? You are worse than a calvinist, you are a frankist
>>524334686Unbelievers are still under the law, what is the point of pretending the great commission doesn’t exist specifically to suggest that the only reason why believers are still here is to serve as a witness to what Jesus did and spread the gospel?
>>524334612Yes hypocracy
>>524333774>Kikes literally work hard to avoid believing in JesusYou wouldn't like it either if you followed Moses and then this new guy Jesus came, tried to reform it for everyone, demands he be worshipped as God, that Moses and Abraham demand it, and told your old faith to worship the New God. It's fine if Jesus was a good man and a holy man, but what if you don't consider him the Son of God? What if your faith is deep enough that you've like, seen an angel do these tricks before, like healing? He revises the Old Ways to be softer, then uses these New ways on the goyim as well as the Jews who accept it. Why should Jews accept a goy religion?
You dumbfuck, YHWH/Yeshu created Lucifer. They've met and have conversed before.
>>524334792>”believers” are still hereJudeans are still here too.
>>524334171>how can a few sticks and nails kill a God?They can't >(Habakkuk 1:12) Are you not from long ago, O Jehovah? O my God, my Holy One, you do not die.[...]>(Daniel 6:26) ...For he is the living God and One enduring to times indefinite,[...]>(Revelation 4:9) And whenever the living creatures offer glory and honor and thanksgiving to the one seated upon the throne, the one that lives forever and ever,Yet the Bible says Jesus died. Not only that but it states that God resurrected him. How can God die and bring himself back to life while simultaneously can never die?>(John 6:57) Just as the living Father sent me forth and I live because of the Father, he also that feeds on me, even that one will live because of me.>(John 5:26) For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.>(Acts 3:15) whereas YOU killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.>(Acts 2:32) This Jesus God resurrected, of which fact we are all witnesses.
>>524334818>you must keep the commandments If any of the law must be kept, then ALL of the law must be kept. If you tell me, right here that you keep the commandments you are calling God a liar.>FOR ALL HAVE FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD
>>524331015What makes the first cause to be obsessed with foreskins and jews?
>>524334970Jesus let His human body die. Then resurrected Himself 3 days laterThat was the whole plan. He's not even tried to lie and say this wasn't the plan the whole time. Geez, why act dumb? Do you think in the end judgement playing dumb is going to get you anywhere with that big God up there?
>>524331280You've convinced the Nicean Council wasn't all bad, since the traditional understanding of the creeds you've espoused as housed in your church are more congruent with the gospel than a plain reading of them imply. What you've also convinced of is that the good men of the East were subverted in the language to give ground for Lucifer, which you failed to combat with Orthodoxy's fetishism of monasticism and denial of spiritual gifts (spiritual monasticism). I was wondering how the orthodox church could retain true doctrines like theosis through the rancid language of the Constantinian creeds.
>>524330244They want you to worship the creator because they reject the idea that humanity can evolve to godhood
>>524322626During his time praying with the Father is when he reveals these things about himself and extends this oneness to his disciples with statements such as "remain in me". This leads to statements such as God is all and He is in all in the Epistles. It's import to mention the Holy Spirit when mentioning the Trinity as well. If you want the longform explanation of how the three work together in seperate way for the same purpose you just need to be ready to listen to an elderly pastor with a whiteboard explaining the whole thing or read some of the church fathers. You're getting into the real complicated make you cross eyed stuff. >Why is it importantOneness with the Father and Spirit are an import detail about Christ's person because it demonstrates His power over the earth and His intention to share grace with those that believe. It all goes back to the Father with the cross of Christ acting both as an intercessor so prayers are heard, and as a personal guide so attitudes are correct. Then there's the Spirit which worketh in the hearts of men.John 14:16-18 (KJV) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.You should read up on it.
>>524334981Yes, all of the 10 commandments need and are expected to be kept. To be in covenent with God you keep the 10 commandments. And the bible says "And his commandments are NOT burdensome">>524334981>If you tell me, right here that you keep the commandments you are calling God a liar.Actually the bible calls YOU a liar:1 John:By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: --->IF we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. 4If anyone says, “I know Him,” but DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS is a LIAR, and the truth is not in him. You are a decieved person on your way to the lake of fire. I talk with NPC's like you everyday and you are all the same. You are a meme amongst real christians, the only reason why we even bother with you is because God demands us to warn people or your sins will be on our hands.
>>524335160Take a look around at this human mess. Which one of us can make a good god?Not one.
The Holy Trinity is simple once translated. Ancient cultures used symbols to communicate whereas now we prefer logic. It basically means Father (unmanifest infinite Creator), Son (manifest finite Creation), and the Holy Spirit (guiding principle/voice for God that speaks on behalf of silence). They’re one divinity expressing itself in three distinct forms. Jesus never claimed sole Sonship.Let this not be pearls to swine
>>524334970Because Jesus is magic and immortal and also somehow a man which is the image of God. The idea that God is man is ridiculous. It's a formless being, able to posess or manifest itself as humans, but it seems to contradict our knowledge of it at times. God can be a dick! Fuck the earth I'll wipe it out. That is Bible God. But the Faraoh question is powerful because it at least shows that this particular Jewish trick is truly ancient. People claimed to be Ra the Sun God long before Jesus claimed to be son of the Jewish Allgod.
>>524322722Into what?
>>524335115Then he never died then. He just shed his meat costumes like the angels of old that incarnated themselves. They could eat, drink and even have sex and procreate in their meat costumes. They were never human. They just materialized "meat costumes." When they went back to heaven they just "shed" their costumes. But they never "died and went to heaven." (Ge 18:2; 19:1,12; Jos 5:13,14; Jg 13:3,6; Heb 13:2)Yet the Bible explicitly says Jesus died. If Jesus just shed his meat costume like those angels up above then he never died. So the Bible lied.
>>524335305It plainly states that his burden is light. Meaning it’s not the law. He’s asking for faith. Matthew 7 states Jesus is the foundation, meaning you simply believe the gospel, otherwise nothing you do matters because you end up like the religious people. So no, the mosaic law cannot be kept by anyone except Jesus. This means that if Jesus were implying or explicitly had stated that you would be judged salvifically on anything you did after believing it would have completely nullified what he did at the cross. The flesh would have became an automatic hindrance to the point of him going to the cross. This is why religion just tries to backload works into the gospel to enslave you. Not buying it bud. You can talk for hours about how I’m going to hell for merely believing the gospel, all while you cartoonishly assume a gross exaggeration of what you think my life is like just from this thread. Doesn’t mean shit post blood of Christ. God doesn’t demand anything from you after receiving salvation. It’s a gift, not an obligation. Double minded people taking the gift of god and trying to turn it into about them so they can enslave people to their religious institution and help build the beast system.
>>524335704This jew can’t admit his people murdered the Lord. Even the studied jews admit to killing Him, though they say they hanged Him.
>>524334591>Evil is the shadow of the human heart rebelling against God.OSund slike vague gay nigger bullshit from some Christcuck faggot trying to justify his own stupid fucking beliefs via a nonsensical word salad. Similar to the trinity which has Christian explanations that are a nonsensical word salad designed merely to sell the believer that their Bullshit has any kind of actual justification. In essence you're a low IQ nigger faggot.
>>524335413>Jesus never claimed sole Sonship>(John 3:16) “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son,>(John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.>Colossians 1:15 - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation>Revelations 3:14 - “... These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God,The Bible says Jesus is God's firstborn and and only-begotten. Begotten means fathered. As in the only-fathered. As in only being procreated by a father. Not just his firstborn but also his very first creation. The only pagan belief is the Trinity that teaches Jesus is his own father. Anyone that believes that is not Christian.
>>524335797>beast systemThe term "Beast System" isn't exclusive to one major denomination but is prominent in Christian Identity (identifying banking/Federal Reserve as the Beast) and within certain segments of Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) prophecy discussions (often linking it to the Papacy or worldly power systems), while some Christian Anarchists see it as the State itself, showing it's a concept used across various prophetic interpretations, not a formal doctrinal term for a single church. Here's a breakdown of where you might hear it: Christian Identity: Uses "Beast System" to refer to global financial institutions, especially the Federal Reserve, viewing them as instruments of a corrupt, non-white conspiracy controlling world money and debt. Seventh-day Adventists (SDA): While not a standard official term, the concept of the "Beast" (from Revelation) is central to SDA eschatology, often interpreted as a corrupt religious-political power (like the historical Papacy or modern state power) enforcing a Sunday law as the "mark," a system they warn against. Christian Anarchists (e.g., Jacques Ellul): Identify the "Beast" and its "system" with the oppressive nature of the State and political power that demands ultimate allegiance, a concept fitting the "Beast System" idea. Other Groups: Various smaller evangelical or fundamentalist groups interpret "Beast System" to mean globalism, technological control (like digital IDs/money), or Antichrist figures, often linked to specific political or economic structures. In essence, "Beast System" describes the worldly power structure opposing God, but its specific identification varies greatly by group, with Christian Identity and SDA-related prophecy discussions being common sources for the phraseWhich are you?
>>524335413>They’re one divinity expressing itself in three distinct forms.The verse below completely invalidates the belief that God was conscious in Jesus while simultaneously being in heaven himself.>(John 8:17, 18) Also, in YOUR own Law it is written, ‘The witness of two men is true.’ 18I am one that bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.”If Jesus and God were the same person, same mind, same consciousness, the Law of Two Witnesses would not apply to Jesus testimony. This law could only apply if TWO DISTINCT INDIVIDUALS exist.Not only that but Jesus makes it very clear that he has his own power of choosing, his own faculty of consciousness, and his own wishfullness and desires SEPARATE and DISTINCT from his father. All that I just said is described in the Bible as "will" and "initiative.">(Mark 14:36) And he went on to say: “Abba, Father, all things are possible to you; remove this cup from me. Yet not what I want, but what you want.”>(Luke 22:42) saying: “Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.”>(Hebrews 10:9) then he actually says: “Look! I am come to do your will.” He does away with what is first that he may establish what is second.>(Matthew 26:39) And going a little way forward, he fell upon his face, praying and saying: “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.”>(John 5:30) I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.>(John 6:38) because I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me.
>>524335929I don’t think any of the AI generated categorizations are valid since they assume religion is what God was asking for. The beast system is a synthesis between authoritarian globalism and a theocracy. Simply put religion + government. Under double minded mankind, they are quite literally what Satan wants to get man to worship him under penalty of death if he doesn’t, he merely ties the mark to the banking system but that not the only component. There is a religion and a government involved. The knowledge of good and evil is a moralist dialect. God tells you plainly no one is good down here, so you know right away the enemy is coming from the side you least expect. He’s going to pretend to be good and because being double minded opens you up to becoming self righteous, religious people will be the first to fold openly while atheists will tail behind them.
>>524335797You don't believe the Gospel. The gospel is outlined in John, Matthew, Mark and Luke. Jesus tells you over and over again to keep the commandments if you want to enter into life. Jesus explains what happens if you do not forgive others, he explains that you have to pick up your cross daily and deny yourself. He tells you about 10 believers, and 5 were foolish and unprepared and were shut out from the Kingdom. He explains that those who are ashamed of Jesus before men, would stand in dishonor when he comes back with his angels. He says the wicked servent will be cut in half and thrown into hell with the unbelievers. He warns that those who dont keep the commandments to abide in him, will be cut off, and gathered by the holy angels and thrown into the furnace to be burnt. He says those who sin and cause offense will be gathered as tares and cast into hell. He says if you look at a woman to lust you are better ripping out your eyes and go to heaven blind, then to continue doing it and go to hell with your whole body in tact.You reject the words of Jesus plainly spoken which means you are condemned for not having believed in Jesus words.
>>524336265You are blind.
I made a painting, called "There is no Savior".The Death of the Author: There is only objective reality and how we deal with it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od7m8G1Snkc**The Absent Savior**She holds out her hand.She never comes closer.The music mourns what won’t arrive.The viewer waits anyway.No blessing.No rescue.Only the acheof wanting one.---This work borrows the visual language of a savior while refusing its promise.The figure invites, yet remains unreachable.Paired with music of absence and longing, the piece reveals how desire for salvation can persist even without belief.What is shown here is not redemption,but the feeling of waiting for it.There is no savior,only the feeling of wanting one............---This work reveals how humans continue to seek saviors even in secular contexts.The image triggers attachment and hope, while withholding fulfillment.Longing, not belief, is what persists.*Attachment is triggered.*Fulfillment is withheld.*Longing is sustained.---It is plausible that the artist intended to expose the mechanics of hope, belief, and unfulfilled desire, illustrating that much of human longing is triggered not by what exists, but by what is imagined to exist in symbolic form.The artwork thus becomes a mirror: the figure’s “bad guy” irony reflects the viewer’s own projection, revealing both the yearning for a savior and the futility of that expectation.---
>>524336229Do you believe the ancient israelites were “white” and that you are an israelite and that the pharisees and modern jews are impostors to the title?
>>524336512I merely believe 1 Cor 15 1-4 to mean I am going to heaven.
>>524336265You're confusing "the commandments" with the Mosaic Law, a contract. The commandments were in the Mosaic Law which was done away with when Jesus died. Some of those commandments were transferred to the New Covenant(contract) after Jesus died and was resurrected.
>>524336492No, you are literally spiritually blind and put under a strong delusion. It doesnt matter how much of Jesus words I show, you cannot understand because you do not have the Holy Spirit.>Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of his household, to give the others their food at the proper time? 46Blessed is that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions.>48But suppose that servant is wicked and says in his heart, ‘My master will be away a long time.’ 49And he begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day he does not expect and at an hour he does not anticipate. 51Then he will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.The master of that servant = JesusThe servant = A believer Assign him a place with the hypocrites/unbelievers, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. = HellThere is no faith alone. You must work out your salvation with fear and trembling(Philippians 2:12,). Jesus is the author of salvation to those who OBEY him (Hebrews 5:9)Paul even lists which sins will disqualify you from inheriting the Kingdom of God in Galatians 5:19-21. This is further stated in 1 corinthians 6:9-11 and Revelation 21:8.You are deaf, dumb and blind. You are part of the end times strong delusion. You cannot even handle milk doctrine, so you don't even understand meat (heavy duty) doctrine. You probably think people will be raptured away before the mark of the beast came, but guess what it came in 2020, no chance of you understanding that doctrine.
>>524335403You retard. I'm talking about our descendants. I want them to evolve, you want humanity to stay the same forever
>>524332794>If God made me and gave me willpower, I'm not gonna waste it by being a cuck to him. Especially when He doesnt even show himself.Yes that is your free will to make that choice.>Why the constant state of repentance? Why the self hatred? Why do Christ's words boil down to suicide and self hatred every time?To quote the ephemeral prophet Brad Pitt: Self-improvement is masturbation. Now, self-destruction...
>>524336637Are you going to heaven when you die? Or after the “final judgement?” Jesus said in those days those who lie in the earth will arise, some to eternal life, and some to everlasting shame and contempt. Do their souls get sucked down from heaven into their risen bodies? How does your theology work?
>>524322626Seethe and sage
>>524336755You are the one beating me with the mosaic law and telling me I’m justified by what I’m doing when no one is justified by what they do save for Christ himself.What is there for me to boast about other than what Jesus has done for me?
>>524336853Bradd Pitt was wrong because sex is le evil in the eyes of Christ who unlike nearly all other prophets never had sex and was born with no desire
>>524335916Yeah he even says something eg "do X to be with me and dad in heaven "Do you know what Siddharta Buddha said about those men who demand to be worshipped?
>>524334970He inherited the capacity of death from the woman, and the capacity of resurrection from the Father.
>>524337094That makes Jesus a mere demigod, God and also not unique, because even in the OT it's implied demigods existed in the first page of Genesis.
>>524337094A demigod is not the Allgod. Thus the Trinity. That is the Green explanation
>>524337202>That is the Green explanationDisregard this>>524337151Meant to say Jesus is not God if he is a mere demigod. Being a godling is not the same as being God. Thus the need for the Trinity. It is all cope to deal with logic holes
>>524322626Jesus was a man, and every Godly miracles He did was by the Father answering Him. Jesus only later(you know, he was anon for 30 years) said that “from now on, only through Me you can get to the Father”, meaning plainly that Gods covenant with the Israeli was over, and the people who believed and followed Him, are the (new) Gods chosen people(yes, Christian’s are gods chosen people, and the reason the very world is good generally, and evil has not won)
>>524336637>God promised this to me 2000 years ago you stupid goyNow what does that remind me of?
>>524336906Those who do right (keeping the commandments) are righteousKing James Bible>Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.Those who sin BELONG TO THE DEVIL>8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil. Jesus will send out his angels, and all workers of iniquity (those who practice sins) will be gathered and cast into hell.>41The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of His kingdom every cause of sin and all who practice lawlessness. 42And they will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Those who keep the commandments (doing righteous = being righetous) will shine like the sun>43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father.fHe who has ears, let him hear.>If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than to have two hands and two feet and be thrown into the eternal fire.…
>>524337151Wrong. Because unlike the Nephilim sired carnally by the hosts of Heaven, Jesus was sired immaculately by the Father as his ONLY BEGOTTEN in the flesh, as opposed to his being FIRSTBORN in the spirit.
>>524337306He was not anon for 30 years, he was recognized as a religious leader early on by Jews according to info. He did travel a lot, but he was pretty well known as a king of the jews by his birth. The king did a literal manhunt for him ffs. This also explains how he seemed to have access to reading material such as Socrates, Lao Tzu, Buddha, etc. He was more scholarly in the legends than he is given credit for. He had to steal all that wisdom from somewhere. Except he doesn't quote the source. He is insecure, wanting to be worshipped by these inferior beings, and to get slain in these one sided love cycles. This God shows human like insecurity when the Christian is asked about metaphysics. God nor Jesus cannot have humanlike insecurity, for it is against the nature of a perfect being. He is essentially a Faraoh for the Jews, and he created the Jews of the New Confession (Christians), which are a natural consequence of Judaism.
>>524337488Whats wrong with being a nephelim? Are they unredeemable because they are genetically altered mess from fallen angels x human hybrids? They are not made in the image of God and thus salvation is not offered to them as the blood of Jesus only covers genetically pure humans from the Adamic bloodline?Is that why God flooded the earth in GENESis 6:4? Why did Jesus then say "As the days of Noah, so it shall be when the Son of man returns?" Will genetic corruption occur again and turn people into unsavable hybrids? Is that what the mark of the beast is? Didnt the covid vaccine induce a triple strand DNA helix in 90% of mankind? Oh geez
>>524337322Yeah this actually makes sense to my jewish ears. The calvinist ignores the entire book of Ecclesiastes, which lays out plainly that the world endures now just as it always has, meaning there MUST always be people holding up the world doing God’s works. Are you a catholic?
>>524322626Believe it or not, but there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the Jews or the Tribe of Judah God’s chosen people. This misconception comes from the fact that the Jews of today have declared themselves to be Israel and not the house of Judah, as the Scriptures rightfully call them.https://web.archive.org/web/20220526080336/https://gottmituns.com/what-is-a-jew/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ESNI-FvFyQ
>>524337488Different demigods could create offspring differently, who cares? Human mom, God dad is a demigod. >Sired immaculatelyJoseph the cuck created this part rather than accept he got cheated on btw. Muslims know this. Jesus was a whoreson drifter hippie hobo in a time where the Jews were seeking a messiah. How many other individuals named Jesus were around, claiming to redeem the Jewish people?
>>524336857Love and suffering exist in the spirit, not in the material
>>524337746Yeshua (Joshua) was and remains to be a very popular jewish name. So popular that the rabbis of the talmud cope and try to misdirect by saying they were actually talking about a different Yeshua.
>>524337630>Are you a catholic?And speaking of Ecclesiastes:Ecclesiastes 12:13King James Version13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and ----------keep his commandments-------: for this is the whole duty of man.Literally written all over the bible, but somehow people are like "Naaahh... I only need to believe in Jesus, we cant keep the commandments!"
>>524337801At what point was the doctrine of the kingdom of heaven and torment/destruction in hell introduced? Rabbinic jews believe this too, but before the babylonian exile there was only Sheol. Which prophet revealed gehinnom and malchut shamayim in between babylon and jesus?
>>524337629Absolutely nothing. If you mapped my ancestors and the ancestors of the women I've shown interest in, they'd light up the North Sea like oil deposits. I mentioned them to contrast between demigods born carnally as hybrids sired by Heavenly Hosts and mortal women, with the Son of God born immaculately from a mortal woman sired by the Father, who through strict obedience to the Father's will completed the cup he was given and mantled the Father and through adoption becomes Father of all those who will hearken to his voice, through whose reconciliation all may achieve theosis.
>>524337629The history is what's wrong, because Nephilim == Greek Demigod paraphrased by Jews. OT was written around the same time and place as ancient greece, and they already had a bunch of myths and legends, namely about gods in the sky zapping you with thunder and having illegitimate and legitimate kids, mischevious goatmen (satyr==satans), HADes (Abbadon/many other names) the ancient underworld god who gets wrongfully conflated with modern Satan and has a different role in the OT and NT, heroes slaying beasts, etc. The Jews would kinda absorb a lot of this right into their core beliefs, carrying on to the NT and today. What is fascinating is that the OT does not take the concept of Hades, which had long been established by the Ancient Greeks. The original Jews leave it open to interpretation, whilst Jesus firmly warns again hell, and promises you heaven
>>524337094That makes Jesus a demigod. Yet you Trinitarians he's fully God and fully man. That would put Jesus on the same level as Hercules, Kratos and Perseus. Their existence came from the nephilim, the original demigods. In other words, Jesus is an unnatural abomination. Demigods are unnatural abominations.
>>524337616I see your point butJesus was human because he had desires, he had insecurities, he experienced love, pain, treason and everything human.Jesus was God because he did not sin.What you say as “perfection” and Him being not, is reverse: he was tempted, he was human, but did not sin. He is a mirror of the God in Heaven, but bound to earthly life.
>>524337983>Origins of modern heaven and hell (pleasure vs punishment)Good question. Zoroaster had it as early as 1900 BCE. Ortho Jews don't have it as a concept in the Hebrew Bible (first part of OT), generally considering to date ~1200B.CEBut the actual answer is that the Egyptians may have had it who knows how early, maybe even as early as 4,000B.C. or even earlier. The karma system was always well known in Egypt and India. Heaven and Hell are ancient beliefs. Egyptians had other thoughts, like if you were a pharaoh in life, you'd be a pharaoh in the next one. Same with being a slave. But they had eternal life and punishment.
>>524337629Sorry. I didn't bother reading the rest of your post out after an impulse to distance myself from the accusation of Nephilim. I personally believe the Jews and Adamic humanity generally are uniquely troubled, that the Bible fairly consistently hints at a larger community of righteous folk for whom salvation is easy (as simple as looking at a serpent on a stick), and that the flood was specifically wiping out lowerland (((civilization))) that couldn't keep from worshipping idols, and that pastoral-patriarchs from the east didn't require constant micromanagement from the creator of heaven and earth to go five minutes without falling into evil. That is, Aryans are the fold of God requiring the least intervention, because they are most attuned to hearing his voice in the spirit and the earth.
>>524338244Jesus was not human because he could walk on water, he had no sexual desire for women or men, he came back from the dead and flew into the sky, he could spawn infinite food, he could cure any disease easily, he could cast out devils, he could supposedly go 40 days with no water (but die on a mere cross), and was the son of God, which is at least a demigod. You can't call that creature, which is also without sin, a man. That is not a man at all.
>>524338272Before this syncretism it was believed that we rest as the dead in Sheol, and are resurrected on the day of judgement. But now there are orthodox rabbis making scary 2 hour info videos about hell which sounds exactly like christian hellhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=5UYrFzf0B1IThe caveat is that it is only temporary (like purgatory) unless you were a serial coomer or sabbath desecrator, then it is eternal punishment and destruction.
>>524338375Read Book of Enoch/Book of the Watchers to see what happened in Genesis 6:4. Giants/Nephelim running rampantNoah and his children were the only ones PERFECT in their GENErationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaSYpog3ZCE&list=PLU7hCunX8zINCwyGOuF_r7Ch9rGlBxH3Q&index=1
>>524338244>Jesus was God because he did not sin.Holy Mary also did not sin, and she is not a Goddes in anyway.You are fucking retard and have completely zero understanding of your own religion, but somehow being this fucking stupid and uneducated you decided to share your point of view of profane imbecile. Why?
>>524338487>Hell and day of judgement?Where in the OT is this? It's in the Gathas which predate the OT, but where in the OT is this?>>524338375Nephilim isn't an accusation, you need to read it as demigod. It is Jews explaining what a Greek Demigod is. Half human half God. You could start splitting hairs here and say that Nephilim are different from the likes of Theseus and Hercules, but different demigods can be different.
>>524338244So why did Jesus quote the Two Witness rule from the Mosaic Law to establish his LEGAL claim as the Messiah?>>524336088 The Two Witness rule was to settle legal matters among Israel. According to the rule, two witnesses or more are required to establish a legal matter or evidence of a crime committed. If Jesus is God then that makes it ONE WITNESS. Therefore, Jesus just broke the law by lying about his true nature. He tried to play off the Jews by pretending he's two distinct individuals where none exist. Not only that, but Jesus constantly points his own will, initiative separate from the father? Why if they are one will, one person? Why does Jesus constantly make his own will distinct from the father?
>>524337983I am not familiar, I am mostly ignorant of the topics you brought upSomehow offtopic I guess, but lots of beliefs have versions paradise and hell
