Your kid can everything in grade school in a couple years though an app and you can sign em up to a sport or hobby group for social development
>>524326744If that was true why are kids becoming dumber?
>>524327403Because they're not receiving any education. Schools are nigger daycare prison simulators.
>>524326744School has always been useless in its current form. If you're really smart, you're destroyed by being held down, if you're dumb your confidence is destroyed, if you're middle of the pack you're conditioned for future slavery, if you have some other kind of interest you're made to believe it's worthless.School as the system is structured prepares you to be properly socialized in a way that's useful towards those at the top of the food chain, that's it
>>524326744>Your kid can everything in grade school
>>524326744>He believes school exists for education
School is totally useless in the modern era.There aren't enough jobs and they don't pay enough, anyway. There is no 'society' left to mould the drones to function in.May as well just wrap up the costly façades and build pneumatic tubes directly from the hospital incubators to Epstein Island.
>>524327403Because they are being taught to be dumb.They can read the words on a page, but do not understand their meaning, and are called literate. Education reform is in the top 3 priorities for saving the West.
>>524327447why can the kids not do it on their own then? are they retarded?
>>524326744I was a decent student but am the first person to say the public school system needs a complete overhaul for the modern era. I would>make school only mandatory up to grade 8>reinstate segregationReplace high school with college prep, technical/vocational, or apprenticeship/ workforce >technical/college prep high school only two years>college starts at 16. Bachelors by 20>severely quash the notion of “partying” in college. With hold funds to party colleges, severely clamp down on non academic pursuits at universities>zero federally backed loans>instead replaced with “youth loans” every child gets access to a 50k loan when they turn 18 that can be used for anything
>>524326744It’s tough to have mandatory penis inspection day through an app
>>524327794He's got the right idea, and every shitskin to the incinerator.
Public school indoctrination is only for brainwashing goyim to hate whites and instill shame and cuckoldry into the white goyim.
>>524326744I tried that brilliant app and I felt retarded after using it. It's like eating potato chips and saying that you're eating vegetables. There's great online resources but that program is not it.
>>524326744Your kids will be retarded. It doesn't matter if they have the resources at their finger tips because they'll never know what they're looking for or what questions to ask.
>>524326744my kids not going to school or using a chink app to learn. I've got a mystical third option
>>524327990Idk about the youth loans, but I think the system should go back more like it was in the farming days, where school ended at 8th grade for many. Most people shouldn't be going to college, and it should require entrance exams and be a place for serious professional study, not extended adolescence and partying.Maybe 2 years more of schooling prep after 8th grade for the college-bound, then they start college. The non-college ones should go into trades, manual labor, or be food producers.I also agree, no federal loans. But college shouldn't cost what it costs now either. I also think everything shouldn't be geared towards the shareholder/"stakeholder" and we shouldn't have giant pay discrepancies like we currently do, but I guess that's another topic.
>kid can everything
>>524326744The problem is these apps don't hold you accountable whereas a class will with assignment homeworks exams. Offline and online education has advantages we have to use a hybrid model But another problem we are not addresing boys given lower scores for the same amount of work and invasion and forced induction of woman into stem. Talented men are forced to work in trades like mechanich or electrcian
>>524326744The extra nice thing about online/computer-based academic learning is that it's tied to the individual student. Rather than needing to sit in a class and wait for little Tyrone to catch up so everyone can learn more, your kid can just learn at their own pace, taking up challenging material as they get to it, moving on when they're ready, and even going back as needed. You can also do it quickly. Rather than spending 7 hours sitting in classes, you can get your academics done in a few hours, then move on to other stuff like practical applications, projects, sports, etc. Things that get your body moving.And curriculum can follow interest. Instead of 45 minutes math, 45 minutes science, 45 minutes history, you can do 3 hours history and no math/science. That lets you really drill down into whatever bit of history you're on - building your capacity for deep focus - and lets you come back to the other stuff later, where you can also drill down.It's just better. These electronic teaching programs are like having tutors on the cheap.
>>524327403Have you seen the state of a public school recently?
>>524326744School has always been useless. The point is to indocrinate you into a 9-5 and develop your social skills
>>524327794>May as well just wrap up the costly façades and build pneumatic tubes directly from the hospital incubators to Epstein Island
Mandatory schooling is a cancer.The Prussian model was never meant to create thinkers - its main purpose is to create obedient worker drones unable to think for themselves and utterly repulsed by the idea of learning.Those who succeed, do so despite schooling, not because of it.>>524327403Because of mandatory schooling.
>>524326744No, it's still mandatory because it acts as a daycare and allows kids to socialize and learn how to fit into society. While things might fundamentally change entirely in the near future with AI and robotics, that's not guaranteed and nobody knows how quickly this tech would be deployed worldwide, replacing the conventional human worker. With all that uncertainty in mind, schools are very much still a fundamental. A shame they've been subverted. Also, even though knowledge is readily accessible online from almost anywhere in the world, that doesn't mean that people are going to frolic to it, learning it all by force. Are you a self thought nuclear engineer? Probably not. Same deal with the kids. They won't pursue knowledge by themselves. They need to be forced.
>>524327403Because theyre becoming browner and everyone's on drugs?
>>524331670This is exactly how true education looked like for millennia, until the 19th century.>>524332311>allows kids to socialize75% of the time they are actively punished for socializing.You also have to prove that school is the only place where kids can meet new friends.>how to fit into societyA prison-like bubble where everyone is arbitrarily segregated by age is not "society" in any way.
>>524326744Home education is illegal. You can’t just indoctrinate your children. They have to follow the curriculum and is only way they can get a high school diploma
>>524326744School is a tool for enforcement, not improving quality. Children never wanted to learn and never will want to learn and schools are an environment where they have no choice but to learn.
>your kid can everything
>>524327403Only in Western countries, because the youth is already 30-50% brown subhumans. Asians are doing fine. South Americans are doing fine, for the most part. Even Africans are getting better.
>>524333615>Children never wanted to learn and never will want to learnRetarded take.
>>524333831My mother's a primary school teacher, so I know. They don't want to learn and will not start learning on their own, especially when they have phones as an alternative.
I've barely learned anything in school. I remember being tired all the time and the constant tension. Everything that is required to know I learned myself with internet. If I had chatgpt oh my God it would made everything even easier
>>524334006>my mother is indoctrinated into the system and has a vested interest in keeping the mandatory schooling grift alive, so I knowSpoiler: they only don't want to learn the useless shit they force on them in school, and they don't want to be cooped up in a prison cell.
>>524334224>Noooooo everyone who disagrees with me is indictrinated!I hope you're not sending your child to school so that your blooodline is relegated to the gutter.
>>524326744Any learning app or website that does not implement an SRS system only gives a fuck about making money. They want clicks, they don't give a fuck whether or not you'll actually remember anything 6 months down the line. Just another dopamine hole.
>>524334158>>524334224Schools in the Prussian style, which is basically all of them, are de facto prisons. They operate in roughly the same way and have the same effect on the psyche.
>>524327978>Im a drop out of school>why son?>I downloaded the app brilliantSure... that'll work, and everyone lived happily after.
>>524334302>heh, look at that guy, disagreeing with the official government-enforced narrative that schools are le good, he must be brainwashedIt's okay, little guy, not everyone is smart enough to break the conditioning.
>>524334505Worked for me. If you couldn't make it work, then it's a you problem.
>>524332625In an ideal world, sure. But we don't live in a fantasy. Through which enforcement mechanism would you guarantee a satisfactory level of compliance? There's a reason why education has been standardized this way. It's efficient. Not as effective as individually tailored curriculums, but for the dissemination of general knowledge it will do. The issue of recent times is the massive corruption and bloat that's intentionally harming children more than teaching them a few specific things alongside general life knowledge that would actually help them navigate through life.Also yes, everyone's forced into doing what they don't want to do. When you find a job you're entering an alien ecosystem, adapting to the pecking order, and going along with your new colleagues if you like them or not. For that reason classes are an excellent experience to learn early how to best fit in and not get immediately fired for being an antisocial weirdo.
>>524327447Spbp. And jews use it to steal your tax dollars.
>>524327794with school destroying the kids future prospects while also getting them used to rigid authority, it helps to make future soldiers
>>524334622I'm pretty successful, and gained all the knowledge I needed to be successful, despite mandatory schooling.I literally used none of the shit forced on me in school in university.University has also become high school 2.0 and must be made far more exclusive again, but that's a different topic.>>524334681Sure, it's "efficient", but for the wrong reasons. The state LOVES obedient worker cogs who think the exact same way and are easy to control. What's good for the state is almost always bad for the individual.That's the #1 purpose of mandatory schooling, not knowledge. The "knowledge" mandatory schooling gives you is just surface level scientific jargon you're never going to use anywhere.Hell, most jobs don't require any school "knowledge" whatsoever to perform.>classes are an excellent experience to learn early how to best fit inSo you do see that school is a wagecuck factory?You sure as fuck don't need to waste 12 years of your life to "prepare" yourself for a lifetime of mind-numbing wagecuckery.And do you really want to maintain the current cancerous status quo?
>>524335287Good on you. But do believe me when I tell you that an overwhelming majority of kids would rather stay glued to their phones 24/7 rather than learn elementary stuff needed to function as an adult. You're an exception.
>>524335287I brought up the corruption and bloat. I know that things are far from ideal, but the system was better and efficient as well as effective in the past. Leaving it to the individual isn't good practice, especially when a certain standard needs to be upheld. Compromises need to be made. And yes, obviously the state wants to put itself ahead and survive. If everyone did what the fuck ever and believed in many different things, it would disrupt societal cohesion and foment unrest. It would be tantamount to a flood of rapefugees except the origin would be the country's own people.
Op has no kids and is underage. Of course he doesn't want schooling
Teaching Avatars are a thing. Can interact with the greatest minds in history. Brick and mortar after 5th grade is a waist. Graduation should be the same age as legal w2- 14. Age of majority 16. If you want sports, pro teams revenue and community sports complexes not on the public dime.
>>524327978Modern world has too many dopamine-releasing distractions. Back in the day rich, gifted kids had fuck all to do all day but study. That’s how we got guys like Newton, Euler, Gauss, etc. We could have someone that smart today, but they’d waste too much time on modern bullshit to ever reach the heights of those that came before.
>>524335472If children are glued to a screen, it's 100% the parents' fault, and it's a completely separate topic.Giving children smartphones/tablets and not limiting their internet exposure is retarded, because all the doomscroll apps are made to be as addictive as possible.Most of the time both parents are wagecucking 24/7 and don't want to spend time with their kids because they're too tired, or they give in to the peer pressure of thinking that their children will be bullied at the indoctrination camp for not having one.Without any of that shit, children are curious about everything and want to learn, and often what they want to learn falls outside the conventions of what mandatory schooling offers and/or requires, but they still have to go through the whole process and lose their initial interest.>learn elementary stuff needed to function as an adultThis is 100% false. Mandatory schooling teaches none of those things.When I broke the conditioning after reading a lot of good books, I realized how little I actually knew, and that following the conventional lifetime script drummed into your head at the indoctrination camp only fucks you over.>>524336071>certain standard needs to be upheldWhat standard? Everyone is fucking stupid.Whatever standard the state sets will NEVER benefit the individual.And most people are inherently fucking stupid with or without mandatory schooling, and only require basic knowledge like reading, writing and arithmetic to function, which takes a few month at most to teach.>If everyone did what the fuck ever and believed in many different things, it would disrupt societal cohesion and foment unrestYes, there was no societal cohesion for thousands of years without mandatory schooling.God forbid everyone is free to pursue the knowledge they want and/or specialize in the profession they want without pointless distractions.
>>524336583You aren't offering any viable alternatives. A house divided cannot stand. Historic examples cannot be utilized because times have drastically changed since then. The biggest issue is the speed at which information is spread and how easily it influences the minds and hearts of people. Before radio the peasants could do whatever the fuck as long as they paid their taxes. Today people need to be indoctrinated into their society and kept that way else there's a real risk and danger that the state loses its power and the alternative wouldn't be pleasant. Anyway, this exchange is pointless. You have an ideal. You see the inadequacy of the current education system. I get all that. But it's what we got. And instead of uprooting it and trying something new (or old) that's not guaranteed to withstand current international pressures, the goal should instead be to reform the existing system, eliminating the bloat and corruption and focusing teaching things that matter over things that don't. Practical application over theory. Fewer specialized lessons over broad knowledge. That kind of thing. None of it is gonna happen though. Aside from posting your thoughts here you aren't doing anything to change things, are you? See? We already live in a digital dystopia. Don't worry about it.
>>524327403Because nobody actually applies the resources. It's a motivational desert.Honestly do you blame them? If you got the COVID shot then you are a genetic dead end anyway.
>>524336583>children are curious about everything and want to learnNo they're fucking not, no they fucking don't. Not when they have toys with market research behind it on how to most optimally draw their attention.
>>524327990Party colleges aren’t the problem the problem is tryhards thinking retards can be made smart if you drag them into academic institutions. Asians party and drink like crazy and are much better educated than westerners who spend all their time streaming.
>>524337158There can be unity in the appreciation for freedom of information and learning.Not being constrained by mandatory schooling is the way to adapt to all these changes. That's always been the way to adapt, and that's the way the most prominent people have been educated throughout history.With a statist cuck attitude like yours change is completely impossible.The result of the Prussian system is, as we can clearly see, a bunch of retarded sheep loyally following whatever current thing the state programs them with.Did you like the scamdemic? If that's the kind of "unity" you venerate, then this is definitely not something worth preserving.>>524337284Again, it's the parents' job to properly raise their children and limit their exposure to addictive shit.What I meant was that some children may want to learn more about being plumbers or handymen, butchers, artists, musicians, etc. from a young age, and forcing them into the indoctrination camp kills that initial drive.
>>524326744Learning through an app is low IQ behavior. It's gameified, and you learn to play it rather than learn it. You can get far in duolingo in a language but can't speak it fluently or really know how to read it. Online charter schools for highschool is beneficial however, real learning can be done at a pace appropriate for each student rather than dumbing it down to the slowest student in the class. >>524327990Federally backed loans should be given out, but not like candy. Only should be reserved for top performers, they're much better than the private options that has 10-15% interest. Vocational school replacing highschool is also a great idea, I always had the opinion that not everyone needs an education past basic math/science/reading. It is also ironic that the people I knew in highschool that never did any work or showed up to school then went on to get a 4 year degree at a C average, settling for mediocrity.
>>524337825>it's the parents' job to properly raise their children and limit their exposure to addictive shit.Libertarian wishful thinking. "If we don't provide a solution, the problem will magically solve itself". Another purpose of school is to tard wrangle neglected retards so they cause minimum damage to everyone around them once they become adults.
>>524326744none of the apps and videos online have an interest in teaching children. the data they gather is based towards getting and keeping attention Cocomelon is specifically designed around being jingle keys infront of a childand not interactive lessons that teach a child to think and be patient. like with blues clues or dora. as adults we think of those pauses in between the show to be stupid and patronizing, but for a developing child its meant to emulate how a parent would be interacting with their offspring
>>524337956What the fuck are you talking about? The solution is education, but outside mandatory schooling, and in the amount and manner appropriate for each individual.You can't expect to force everyone down to a lowest common denominator and expect good results. At best you get mass mediocrity.The retards can be taught reading, writing and arithmetic (if at all necessary) in a few months by a private tutor or at a charity school and be left to apprentice for whatever grunt work they want if they're not good for anything else.
>>524338207school teachers you that sometimes you need to spent a 3rd of your day doing something you don't like
>>524338300Sure, you can tell children about the horrors of wagecuckery, but you don't need to expose them to it, and for such an excessively long time.Do you need to be put in a lion cage to know that lions are dangerous?Is it really a worth keeping this endless miserable wagecuckery pipeline going?
>>524337843>and you learn to play it rather than learn it.And school isn't? I figured out how school works in like the 6th grade. No child left behind, they just shove you through. So I just played vidya.Besides, the ceiling of your child's education will be the ceiling of the most distracting, dumbest nigglet in the classroom room.
>>524338207You don't have to force everyone down to the lowest common denominator. You can divide students into better and worse classes. On the other hand, leaving education up to individuals is like leaving trash collection up to individuals. Sure you can say that people's trash is their own responsibility and expect them to drive it over to trash heap, but what do you think will happen in practice?
>>524326744It makes me laugh my kids spouting science facts, quadratic equations and shit. Never once has a job I've worked needed any of that.
>>524326744the most important part about school (for the government) is teaching them how to be docile and compliant towards oppressive institutions and corrupt authority. you don't get that through non-traditional education. same reason they don't wanna let people work from home, if you take people out of the hive, they realize they don't need a queen bee telling them what to do, they can make their own honey somewhere else.also socialization i guess, that's pretty important, you need everyone intermingling and thinking/doing the same things if you want an empire to run effectively.
>>524338768also this isn't a "homeschool your kids!" post, public schooling is a very good idea if you want a capable citizenry, but it needs to be VASTLY overhauled and audited heavily to be sure your teachers are passionate about their jobs and also aren't in there trying to ram their own opinions and agenda down a captive audience's throats. both wings of politics btw, not just left, not just right, teachers and administrative faculty on both sides of the spectrum are guilty of doing this.
>>524338990Just needs browns and foreigners removed really. Not saying white kids can't be a problem but imagine growing up with your own people and culture instead of having to worry about others.
>>524338563You can't trust these one-size-fits-all solutions the state provides, especially with the retarded separation by age.And again, not everyone needs to learn all the shit they force on you. Most of the time you don't need it at all because a job requires specialized knowledge, which you can learn as you go as an apprentice.The smart nerds are happy because they learn all the scientific topics they want and become deeply specialized in them or pursue other intellectual things like art, music, etc.The other kids are happy because can learn the basics and become apprentices without wasting time on the subjects they're not suited for.
>>524329708old comp right there
>>524326744Buy an ad, dipshit.
>>524339066Reading, writing and maths are really all they should teach. I think back to the sheer amount of time wasted at school doing useless bullshit that's no help to me now.
>>524327617school exists to isolate, indoctrinate; and prepare the children for the real world, mainly to enforce policy against better judgment; laconic public shame
>>524339066the crucifixion happens at graduation
>>524339217Not even all math.Arithmetic is all you need. Algebra and all the other shit they teach down the line is completely useless in everyday life.
>>524327978>why can the kids not do it on their own then? are they retarded?Kids spend all their childhoods in prisons.
>>524339066>You can't trust these one-size-fits-all solutions the state provides, especially with the retarded separation by age.Why? People are more predictable and uniform than you think.>Most of the time you don't need it at all because a job requires specialized knowledge, which you can learn as you go as an apprentice.Two reasons. One, you don't know what you want to do until someone shows the basics to you. That's why school is multidisciplinary. Two, you want tards to know the absolute basics of everything so they don't get fleeced by a bank offering them bandit loan terms or swayed by politicians promising an end to food with DNA in it. Can't have democracy without compulsory education.>The other kids are happy because can learn the basics and become apprentices without wasting time on the subjects they're not suited for.I don't know about Estonia, but in Poland it's a solved problem. After finishing elementary school you're free to go to any high school or trade school you feel like, of any profile or level, so long as you qualify.
>>524326744Attention span of kids here is like 20 seconds average. I met a few of them high on sugar todaySchool is good.
>>524339060Women at all levels, students, teachers and administrators alike, need to be removed as well. It's where the groupthink conditioning starts, and where women's familial ideals are supplanted with societal ideals.
>>524339433>People are more predictable and uniform than you think.Statist thinking. We don't live in your cut and dried models.>until someone shows the basics to youThe parents can do it, based on actually speaking to their children.>you want tards to know the absolute basics of everything so they don't get fleeced by a bank offering them bandit loan terms or swayed by politicians promising an end to food with DNA in itLMAOYou can't be fucking serious. Mandatory schooling teaches you NONE of those things. The state and the banks want you to be oblivious to what they're doing.Like I said, I was able to break the conditioning and learning about all the shady things the state and and the banks do, as well as proper financial management, only be reading books. All my friends, who are by no means stupid, didn't know anything about it until I told them about it.Until then they'd only got their information from MSM articles. Now I'm absolutely shocked by the sheer amount of misinformation they shit out and I'm constantly trying to snap my friends out of it.A state institution will never give you this kind of information.>After finishing elementary school you're free to go to any high school or trade school you feel likeWhy waste all that time on things you'll never remember? Why are you so against the idea of apprenticeships from a young age, where real socialization happens?This year the government passed an absolutely fucktarded law that everyone must study until they're 18, even though primary school ends at 16 and you're not guaranteed to enter high school. You want me to believe the state knows what it's doing?
>>524326744Khanacademy is a mustTraditional schools are basically just concentration camps for youth now. Nobody wants to learn because they don't appreciate it.
>>524327403Parents don't have time to read to their kids or they can't read themselves.
we need segregated schools back
>>524326744>Try brilliant.>almost every topic ends up with math equationsffs if I wanted to do math again I'd go back to college.
>>524340259Both parents being forced to wagecuck is a huge issue.SO buck broken that instead of trying to find a solution to get the state out of the parenting process they'd rather the state take on even more of their roles.
>>524340495Workplaces and gyms too
>>524340070>We don't live in your cut and dried models.Are you twelve? Yes you do. There's a lot of solutions that fit 99% of people.>The parents can do it, based on actually speaking to their children.No they can't. It's a Brave New World scenario where parents can't teach their children anything outside their narrow field of expertise.>Mandatory schooling teaches you NONE of those things.It does, you just don't register things that are second nature to you. Basic arithmetic, percentages, fractions, equations, reading comprehension, grammar, mandatory reading, the most rudimentary biology/geography/physics/chemistry/history are all things that people use day-to-day without thinking. If anything, a person is more more easily swayed by a random hustler or advertizer if they don't have at least the absolute basics crammed into their head.>but muh disinfo/MSM/big stateYou think a tabula rasa retard out on the street is more likely to be swayed by the "goodies" than by the omnipresent, all-powerful "baddies"? The oligarchy wants education to be worthless and public schooling is a good idea turning hollow, not an intrinsically bad idea.>Why waste all that time on things you'll never remember?Because education is that what remains after you forget everything you were taught.>Why are you so against the idea of apprenticeships from a young age, where real socialization happens?See above. There's big enough body of knowledge necessary in the modern world to occupy a kid until he turns 14.
>>524340560Yes this, it's absolutely fucked that you have to give a baby to a stranger for 8 hours a day, pay fuckloads of money for the pleasure to be able to pay the rest of the bills.
>>524340726>There's a lot of solutions that fit 99% of people.Only in the diseased statist mind.>parents can't teach their children anything outside their narrow field of expertiseAre you for real? The parents can ONLY know their field of expertise and the only thing they can teach is the nitty-gritty of said field?They can't use google and discuss various professions with their children to see if anything sparks their interest?>the most rudimentary biology/geography/physics/chemistry/history are all things that people use day-to-day without thinkingNo, that's just your wrong, idiotic opinion.Nobody uses any of that shit in everyday life.If someone does want to learn that basic trivia, they can do it in their own time.>If anything, a person is more more easily swayed by a random hustler or advertizer if they don't have at least the absolute basics crammed into their head.If anything, the kind of circumcised mind you get in school makes you predisposed to getting hustled because it's never taught to question anything.>schooling is a good idea turning hollowDo yourself a favor and read about the origins of the schooling system and its purpose. Protip: do your own research and don't ask your mother.I recommend this book:https://mises.org/library/book/education-free-and-compulsory>Because education is that what remains after you forget everything you were taught.Again, why waste all that time, when you can get a proper education in a fraction of the time?>There's big enough body of knowledge necessary in the modern world to occupy a kid until he turns 14Did you pull that number out of your ass?In any case, all that information is readily available online, and a rigid, authoritarian system is the last thing you want to keep up with all the changes.And again, all that information sure as fuck is not necessary for the average job.And again, and again, the state will never give you the proper information you need to get ahead.
>>524340070Dude you are retarded. /pol/troons in general don't seem to notice the irony of them whining about how tech billionaires are destroying our humanity and turning us into economic unit rent cattle, then simultaneously saying that we have to push children into specialised economic roles from as early an age as possible. What the fuck is wrong with you dipshits, honestly? The people who built western civilisation received a classical education, they weren't dropout tradies or hustling financebros who think that Shakespeare is for dorks.
>>524326744He can join an underwater basket weaving forum.
>>524340221problem with education is that you are provided tools but never told what/when/how these tools should be used. take any geometry/algebra formula for example; unless you tell me where such formulas are useful for real life applications then it's all moot and it goes into one ear and comes out of another
>>524341492>The people who built western civilisation received a classical educationWhere did I say that they shouldn't? They sure can, if they want.There wouldn't be anything stopping children from going through the trivium or other sets of subjects, nor would there be anything stopping adults from continuing their studies.What I'm focusing on is choice.And in any case, how many of those civilization-building people were there? Did everyone need to get that same classic education? Was everyone capable of appreciating that classical education?
>>524341718>What I'm focusing on is choice.Yeah and children are fucking retarded. You're arguing your points to the wrong person because your attitude is VERY common in this country. Pretty much ~33% of the population here are brain-dead lumpenproles whose only aspirations in life are to work in a factory and to get hammered on weekends. They don't give a fuck about education and they tell their children to not give a fuck about education and the cycle goes on and on with every generation thinking that actually paying attention is below them. Guess what? You hate the state so much and do you know what the situation here produces? The underclass are slavecattle completely dependent on handouts and orders because they lack any capability to think critically and even if they could, they don't have a shred of moral ideal that could guide them because they grow up without any guiding principles except animal instinct and hedonism. You want the statist dystopia? Send poor children to the factories again.
>>524341460>Only in the diseased statist mind.You're not a special snowflake.>They can't use google and discuss various professions with their children to see if anything sparks their interest?Not comparable to a few dozen hours of education on a given subject. A kid won't discover a passion for chemistry looking at a drawing of H2O, but might looking at a bunsen burner.>Nobody uses any of that shit in everyday life.Yes they do. Every time you calculate something, read a text longer than two sentences, pick healthy foods, discuss anything related to politics or history, drive a car or visit a doctor you employ this knowledge. Just because nobody makes you take exams doesn't mean it's not used.>If anything, the kind of circumcised mind you get in school makes you predisposed to getting hustled because it's never taught to question anything.A person who's never forced to make an intellectual effort is even less likely to question anything.>Do yourself a favor and read about the origins of the schooling system and its purpose.Who gives a shit? I know what it was in Poland 50 years ago. I know what opportunities it gave my grandparents, parents and me, in contrast to pre-WW2 Poland. I *know* it was good, and don't care if it had its origins in Prussian autism.>a proper education in a fraction of the timelook at this guy thinking he found a king's path to knowledge lmao>In any case, all that information is readily available onlineBecause it should be in your head for instant use. No one's going to wait for you to add two 2-digit numbers together for 40 seconds, or look up if we really can't explain the tides, or check if Estonia really didn't exist before 1991.>all that information sure as fuck is not necessary for the average job.I don't give a fuck about jobs, I give a fuck about being a citizen in a society. Do you think people exist to work, sleep, wank and nothing else? You need a level of general knowledge in the population to steer the nation.
>>524342057This. Witnessing day-to-day work of a teacher makes you realize that a third of the population is irresponsible cattle whose children have to be forcibly educated in order for society to not go down the shitter.
>>524342057The situation you describe is the result of mandatory schooling.Potential great thinkers and doers forced to survive in a literal jungle, surrounded by "diversity".It sure as hell isn't going to break the cycle. It didn't then, when there was less "diversity", since the issue still remains, and it won't now.
>>524332073Any anon that wants to dive deeper in this topic, look up John Taylor Gatto.
>>524342430What even is this cope? >retards don't pay attention, don't try and don't end up learning anything>that's the school's fault!I'm not going to say education is perfect in this country because it really, really isn't. I think if subjects were allowed to be more fun and actually engage in some of the deeper thought that goes into them rather than obsessing over exam results then it might make children hate school less, but that's the opposite of what you're advocating. I went to a below-average state school and I learned:>critical thinking, analysis of data and coming up with clear and substantiated judgements (history and literature)>how to manipulate language for effect and clarity (english language)>thinking logically and solving problems in a sequenced way, understanding interest and fractions and being able to calculate in my head (maths)I mean fuck me, I didn't get vaxxed because in my school in science we discussed formaldehyde and the process it takes for eg vaccines to get approved for human use and I decided that with coronachan it wasn't worth the risk getting some corpo bullshit jammed into my veins. If you think none of that is useful, then what can I say except that you should probably have actually paid attention in school. And lol. "Great thinkers". Where the fuck do you think you are? Maybe public schooling doesn't make them but if the high school dropouts on here have proved anything, it's that the opposite is far, far worse. Seriously, the IQ of this board is probably in the 60s, especially with all the bitching about the captcha.
>>524342317>Not comparable to a few dozen hours of education on a given subject.Divided into 45 minute scraps, forcing him to switch focus to something that's never going to interest him.>Yes they doNo, they don't. That's not the information you get from mandatory schooling.>Who gives a shit?You should. You need to learn the difference between classical (real) education and the abomination pushed on us for the last 150 years,Check out the trivium.>look at this guy thinking he found a king's path to knowledge lmaoYeah, and literal kings who had the kind of education I'm talking about.>Because it should be in your head for instant useOnly reading, writing and arithmetic should. Everything else is situational.You're greatly overestimating>Do you think people exist to work, sleep, wank and nothing else?Most, I'd say.> You need a level of general knowledge in the population to steer the nation.You're never going to get an army of Renaissance men with a 100 IQ average, and sure as fuck not with mandatory schooling.
>>524343022>switch focus to something that's never going to interest himSee secondary purpose, making sure you're more than a hollow worker drone.>That's not the information you get from mandatory schooling.My school taught these things. Maybe schools in Estonia are just shit?>classical (real) education>literal kings who had the kind of education I'm talking aboutSomething only attainable with private tutors who are NOT your parents, but hand-selected professional teachers. Pipe dream impossible to provide for 100% of the population.>Everything else is situational. You're greatly overestimatingNo, I just have standards. The level of discussion is constrained by the level of knowledge you have ready on hand, and I want my conversations with other people to be more meaningful than work, TV, weather and pop politics.>Most, I'd say.>You're never going to get an army of Renaissance men with a 100 IQ average, and sure as fuck not with mandatory schooling.Why the fuck are you complaining about your peers being normies then if by your own admission people should be worker drones and have no hope of receiving good general education?
>>524326744Buy an ad.>>524327403Kids are significantly smarter, they're only dumber socially.
>>524342912Given that you've managed to get something useful out of public school, you would've been even far better off receiving classical education.You succeeded despite mandatory schooling, not because of itGood on you for dodging the vax, I'm also a pureblood, but I'd never attribute that to mandatory schooling. And what about your peers? Did they also doubt the clot shot like you? If anything, they'd "trust the experts", given the retardedly high percentage of vaxcattle.Shoving everyone together and expecting the same results is a crapshoot and a waste of resources.>high school dropoutsMost have already been mentally circumcised by the system. It takes considerable effort to get your brain back on track.You need to start young to properly cultivate the mind.
>>524343705>You succeeded despite mandatory schooling, not because of itI hated my time in school but honestly, as stupid as it sounds, I was elevated by my secondary school experience. It was the only place where I was taught and encouraged to actually think for myself. University was terrible in that regard, just a series of completely worthless "modules" mostly led by left-leaning nutjobs because I dared to study a humanities subject. I wish we could lock away all the people like you so you can all apprentice in the coal mines or whatever it is you want to do while everyone else tries to figure out how to actually uplift humanity to the next level.
>>524327403It's either too much fent or not enough fent. Pick one and go further in that direction.
>>524327403the phones become smart… so they can become dumber
>>524327794It would be helpful to everyone if we dropped the "school" pretense and accepted that you're only going to learn if you come from a good family. Fine, whatever, go to a billion dollar public school. It won't make fatherless niggers smarter than random hillbillies from West Virginia who learned to read by phonics and do maths from 75yo textbooks, because their parents (who are married) made the kids do that. No amount of money ever unfucks a "bad family" kid.
>>524327403because only subhumans are having them
>>524343401>See secondary purpose, making sure you're more than a hollow worker drone.Haha, this is exactly its purpose - killing the drive to learn.This is described in the book I posted >>524332073>My school taught these thingsI don't believe you.>Something only attainable with private tutors who are NOT your parents, but hand-selected professional teachersLots of homeschooling programs available. Parents can pool resources and form study groups for their kids, with themselves teaching or hiring tutors. Many different opportunities, especially now.>Pipe dream impossible to provide for 100% of the population.And that's fine. Realistically, most are not suited for that kind of education.>I want my conversations with other people to be more meaningful than work, TV, weather and pop politicsThen you're looking in the wrong place. The people who might be interested in those more topics things research them on their own time.The average person's drive to learn new things is completely killed off as he leaves school, and those who still retain it do so despite schooling, not because of it.>if by your own admission people should be worker drones and have no hope of receiving good general education?I'm realistic. Have you spoken to the average IQ midwit: vaxxed, in debt, no investment plan for the future and trusting that the government has his back? Did school help him in any way? Genetic determinism is real.My point is that shoving everyone into a classroom and expecting a bunch of polymaths to emerge is retarded.>>524344455>uplift humanity to the next levelAll the greatest leaps in societal advancement happened before mandatory schooling was ubiquitous, because exceptional children thrived in the areas they would later excel at rather than being weighed down by others.Mandatory schooling enforces mediocrity for everyone, and you're not going to uplift shit with mediocrity.
>>524344832>I don't believe you.That's your problem, not mine.>Parents can pool resources and form study groups for their kids, with themselves teaching or hiring tutorsOkay? You just re-invented private schools.>The average person's drive to learn new things is completely killed off as he leaves school, and those who still retain it do so despite schooling, not because of it.You don't know shit and you'd know it if you had a teacher in your family. Public school gives more people a drive to learn that it takes from.>Have you spoken to the average IQ midwitNo, but I've talked to plenty of smart people at my job who benefitted from free public education all the way to unifersity and who likely souldn't have their specialist, well-paying jobs if they were left to fend for themselves.>My point is that shoving everyone into a classroom and expecting a bunch of polymaths to emerge is retarded.How is elementary school education "polymath" level to you? What kind of education do you have where you find such basics "unattainable"?>Mandatory schooling enforces mediocrity for everyoneNo it doesn't. See my earlier post about Polish high schools which you conveniently ignored.
>>524345356>You just re-invented private schools.No, it's not voluntary, and it doesn't follow a rigid structure created by bureaucrats.Different parents/parent groups - different results.Good results can only in such a free market of ideas.>You don't know shit and you'd know it if you had a teacher in your familyYou're clearly biased because of it.>Public school gives more people a drive to learn that it takes from.Most people don't know anything beyond what they consoom in MSM because they now associate learning with the boredom they experienced in school.>plenty of smart people at my job who benefitted from free public educationThere was no other alternative. And I'm 100% sure they succeeded despite schooling, not because of it.>who likely souldn't have their specialist, well-paying jobs if they were left to fend for themselvesI sure as fuck didn't get mine with the knowledge I got from school.>How is elementary school education "polymath" level to you?I don't know, it's you who defends mandatory schooling as the pathway to becoming one.>What kind of education do you have where you find such basics "unattainable"?It's not that they're unattainable, it's that for most people being forced to learn everything at once, especially that which they'll never use in their lives, is a huge waste of time and resources, better spent on something more productive.>See my earlier post about Polish high schools which you conveniently ignored.What's there to address? Again, there was no alternative at that time either, and those who succeeded did so despite schooling.
>>524346054>it's not voluntaryIt's not mandatory
>>524326744Yes with the the internet making it easy to share step by a step textbook answers and solutions it became useless. Also fuck the cocksukers who sold slader and whoever bought it. They fucking took some of my work and put it behind a pay wall.
>>524326744You're a verb in that sentence
>>524346054>You're clearly biased because of it.I know things you don't in this regard, retard. For someone who "succeeded despite schooling", you sure don't give a shit about learning something new from someone.>they now associate learning with the boredom they experienced in schoolBut they know what learning is. Compared to a majority of neglected kids who wouldn't even know that learning something is a thing.>There was no other alternative.UNIVERSITY, moron. They had an alternative of not going to one, and they made a rational decision to go. Did you not learn reading comprehension?>I don't know, it's you who defends mandatory schooling as the pathway to becoming oneElementary school knowledge is not polymath level you fucking dunce, it's the absolute basics of how the world around you works. It's perfectly attainable for midwits.>they'll never use in their livesYou completely ignored my argument how they WILL use this knowledge every day.>better spent on something more productiveLike what? Playing vidya? Teenage jobs? Your vague "apprenticeships"? It takes only a few years to teach a trade and practically you won't do it before age of about 15. There's no "more productive" thing a child can to than learn things that it can understand for its age, and that means learning the basics of everything.>there was no alternative at that time eitherHigh school is not compulsory in Poland. Which you'd know if you looked it up, but you're a "free thinker" and learning things is beneath you.It's past midnight and I don't have time for you. You're the embodiment of a midwit pseud and I shouldn't have wasted time with you.
>>524346728>I know things you don't in this regard, retardAll I've seen from you is the kind of propaganda absolutely everyone would use to advocate for the continuation of the mandatory schooling shit show.>you sure don't give a shit about learning something new from someoneOh, I do. I learn a lot of new things from the local shitposters. Lots of very smart anons around. Unfortunately, you're not one of them.>UNIVERSITYOkay, so? We're talking about mandatory schooling here. Even back then you most likely didn't have to use any school knowledge in university. Unless it's directly involved with one specific subject (no, it's not a "gotcha" - they still wasted their time on other shit).>It's perfectly attainable for midwits.I doubt it. At best they may remember only a few bits and pieces of assorted basic scientific jargon - nowhere near enough to justify spending 9-12 years on it.>You completely ignored my argument how they WILL use this knowledge every day.I didn't ignore it, I just thought it was baseless conjecture.>There's no "more productive" thing a child can to than learn things that it can understand for its age, and that means learning the basics of everything.Yes, this exactly what I'm advocating for. I believe that only proper education, administered in a suitable way and suitable amount - the exact opposite of mandatory schooling - can achieve this result.After that the child can start an apprenticeship or several to see what they want to do in life.>High school is not compulsory in PolandIt doesn't matter. It being mandatory to get accepted in university doesn't mean that it's going to be an extra 3 years spent productively.
>>524346728Also, what I forgot to mention is that even when there is no mandatory schooling, there could still be privately-run paid or charity schools analogous to what we have now.Not having to pay taxes for school can allow parents to send them to these schools, if they so wish, even if it may not be the best option.It would be exactly like it was before.
>>524338479you're gonna be a wage cuck for 3 times as many years as you're a kid in school
>>524348696At least you're paid for wagecucking.
School has always been a joke. It is just a government run free daycare so both parents can work and pay more taxes. They can train the kids to be mindless drones that never question how terrible things are.
>>524326744What modern schools teach is contrary to reality even aside from the batshit insane woke shit They give feel good socialist ideals that streamline people for failure but get voted in favor of by retards.Jobs are not equal, people are not equal, that is a fact.No you cannot "be whatever you want to be". Some "careers" or degrees are legitimately retarded and kids should be shamed and beaten for even suggesting them. A doctor is not equal to a cashier in any world. One is highly paid, rare, and respected, the other is a walking failure, a joke that you should be terrified of becoming.In the past people would have been told this by their teachers and parents. >Your "dream" is retarded pick something you can actually survive on but this is considered hatespeech or whatever today by Reddit because it offends people who are already failures.>"All jobs are great and everybody is like heckin equal man"So instead everybody smiles and nods when a kid proclaims their dream of being a professional clown and drives their life into the dirt.In the past parents would also encourage their children to succeed them in various fields, engineers for example would encourage and teach their children from a young age to follow a similar path, blue collar tradies might have their children inherit their business. This had many benefits including experienced, truthful, advice, a good teacher, and the reality that they had genetic predispositions for success in this field. But again idealist socialist faggots decided that was bad.>You can't tell your kids what to do with their lives that is slavery and child abuse! Everyone is so diverse, you must support their dreams!So parents just ignore, wash their hands of it, and go along with stupidity, then their kids cry years later after their life is fucked and they have no skills that their parents never taught them or helped them with anything.
