Why does the right have such a disdain for art?
>>524328262just a difference of opinion about what art is. the left thinks anything abnormal has intrinsic artistic value but the right thinks faggots and niggers and cripples are just faggots and niggers and cripples. human/white art is different because it praises beauty but the "right" in the USA is actually left of center, so it's just kinda left vs very left in the USA. the gay nigger retard left wingers just don't think the more normal looking "kinda left wingers" are abnormal enoughit's a race to the bottom when you're left of center which is why the US government bans all rightwing candidates
That last art movement that had any value was originally fairly rightwing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuDlXJqi64Q
>>524328262>destruction is more creative than creation
>>524328387>the right is actually center leftMental gymnastic backflips
>>524328262wtf is a leftist studio? a studios main objective is to make money, none of them are leftist
>>524328400>wahood.png
trannys be like true creativity has never been tried
>>524328453Almost correct. Producers are performatively leftist - still happy to pay their workers the least they can and to complain about their unions all the time, while making slop that celebrates what we once called “cultural Marxism”. They aren’t meaningfully leftist in any economic sense, nor do they encourage any kind of class consciousness.
what does this have to do with politics>>>/mu/>>>/biz/
>>524328262AI slop is very visible and while it could be used in an artistic fashion, most of what you’ve seen so far has been by people with no talent. These are people who are just now finally enabled to create video content because it doesn’t require one to invest time and energy into learning how to do things well anymore. They’re producing slick looking, memeable stuff that is slop but it’s still so much better than anything they could do without the tooling. It’s a safe prediction that eventually talented people are going to start using these tools to make beautiful things that would have been impossible with any other medium; this is actually the calm before the storm.
>>524328262Companies are going to have to learn that normal people don't care about AI art and stop bowing to liberal mobs the same way they did with throwing blacks in everything.
>>524328262>right>conservative>studios>AI>why are larping retards larping retards that don't give a fuck about quality?Wow, what an astute question.
lefties think hoping for communist utopia is the epitome of art whilst depriving themselves of wealth and purity spiraling while the right cant into creativity without sourcing inspiration from the jew on a cross religion and gatekeeping
>>524328764Of course it’s political when you have different art medium utilization breaking down along intersectional lines, you utter faggot. Turn off your meme flag and tell us why YOU think conservatives are so lazy and unwilling to invest time or donations into the creation of good media they support?
>>524328262Because period on a canvas is not art neither is shitting out color on a canvas. Sorry man
I write, make music, do pixel art. None of it is considered "art" because I'm right wing? Okay whatever. Can someone who is leftist please explain how the fuck leftist CAUSES good art and isn't just a result of them being hippies who support dumb ideologies because they focus on making art? Is it just because they have pathological empathy and those emotions help them create art? Also most leftist art is fucking dogshit.
>>524328445Right and Left are essentially meaningless when you break then down far enough
>>524328262Ai is all those professions thoughAnd the best part is you dont need to hire anyone. Whats not to love? Saving money seems par for the course with conservatives.
>>524328833I think it’s more like: left wing people are more apt to believe that “artist” is a valuable and reasonable life choice and they would like it to be possible for someone to do this and to not end up homeless or unemployable. Rightoids are less likely to believe this kind of money redistribution logic and do not want to support the kinds of social safety nets that are mandatory in a culture that wants to make artistic experimentation possible. Get a wealthy patron! they think, forgetting that the individualized freedom of expression that all fantastic artists explore requires you to NOT have some patron for whomst you are merely an artisan whore.
>>524328262I've been saying this forever, the right was never blacklisted from the arts, they are just inherently unartistic which was proven by the right's utter embrace of AI gen art.
>>524328262Sorry but I am an artist and AI is my canvas. Now allow me to generate some high-res sonic futa inflation anal vore for display in the louvre.
>>524328387>the "right" in the USA is actually left of center, so it's just kinda left vs very left in the USAIts literally the opposite you dingus
>>524328445Sucking based Faggot and Nigger dick because your society is too degenerate for a reagan-style appeal to wwii vets concerned about their commie kids in fact does mean your society is too gay and retarded.
>>524328262>disdain for art>the rightUm....suuuure.....Whatever makes you cope.....
>>524329047Because you have to practice thesr things when there are more important skills to learnBecause the only peoppe who gravitate towards them are lazy bums, jews and hipster douche lords. Who the fuck wants to hang out with thise people? And again the funding and publishing and the worrying about recouping losses. All that is not a bother with ai.
>>524328262Because the right is full of mediocre people jealous of everyone else, at least the cucjservatuve right. The far right seems a little less soulless to be honest
Literally all great artists and writers were right wing. Every single one. Leftists throw slop on a canvas or write propaganda and call it art. They make shitty subversive movies and pretend they are deep creatives. At the heart of leftism is a stunning lack of awareness and deep ignorance about basically everything.
>>524328939So angry. Be positive with your art. Now, imagine a world where you are being slightly more successful with your artwork (a world where you’re a less resentful, more socially conscious person), and where you want to stop working your day job to pursue the dream of just doing what you love.Ideally, Left wing folks want you to live in a world where there is a welfare net to catch you if you fail, so that you can find a way back into useful employment. They want there to be grants you can apply for to have your artwork sponsored and featured in your community to give you a boost. And they want your art to be compelling and make people think about difficult and socially relevant topics so that there is transformative beauty, not just immediate beauty. The art should be able to be bigger than the artist; and they will accept a very high rate of failures and bad art and charlatans for the small chance of encouraging a truly wonderful artist. Ideally, right wing folks want you to pay your own way, succeed or fail on your own merits, and produce art as a product for consumption so that you can earn enough to eat. This is more fair, less of a drag on society, and ensures that everyone is being a responsible participant in the economy. Art that succeeds en masse is judged as being good for that reason alone. The method of production, the backstory, and the meaning over time all take a back seat to the immediate enjoyment of the product. In a very real sense, pornographers are true right wing artists; they make a product that has evolved and refined over time to become exactly the economic product of pure consumption that exemplifies the rightoid view of art.
>>524328262>true creativity>the left: you can't make that, do that, say that, think that because it's hecking offensivearinolol
TLDR: the ultimate Left art form is a depressing but beautiful publicly-sponsored community college play about some genderqueer faggot that kills itself because of AIDS; the ultimate Right art form is just a tranny porn video for sale for $20 on some Israeli-owed personal prostitution website It’s possible we need a new wing
>>524328262>Bro isPlease make this fucking shit go away Jesus fuck I hate this gay earth
>>524329404>pornographers are true right wing artists>horrific nightmare fuel funded by sponsors of obvious pedigreeUh.
>>524328262Imagine listening to any music other than cancelled musicians>kanye>ariel pink>mark kozelek>red hot chili peppers>arcade fire>Van Morrison>david allen coe>matt mondanille >brand new>swans>queens of the Stone Age >neutral milk hotel >michael Jackson>morgan Wallen>the smiths / Morrissey>xxxtentacion>john maus>MSI
>>524328645im not really sure what north american leftism means, here leftists want to give free money to those in need, so an american leftist is pretty capitalist on our scale
>>524328262I would say ai are creative enablers by performing the mechanical and manual labor of producing, delegating the idea generation process to whom ever is prompting the ai.
>>524328387Art is objective. There is nothing subjective or contextual about it.>>524328777Nothing digital could ever be artistic/realistic. Nothing screen based is real. All this digital crap, it's all just computer generated imaging, whatever. Anons don't understand. Anons simply should not speak on art when they stay huddled in front of a screen. You can only see art in person, not in a book, not on film, nowhere else. >>524328833Primitive art is both conservative and progressive. Same could be said for abstract art if you think about it.
>>524328262Don't care. I will keep making cats and waifus AI videos and images. Screw the mainstream "art"
>>524329269This is cope. Most artists are hobbyists. You don't need to dedicate a full work schedule to teaching yourself an instrument, developing your drawing style, or writing a short story.
I’m just going to say futurism was pretty dope (futurist poetry: goated, sculptures still look fresh, paintings as well) and it was somehow affiliated with fascism or anyways it was the context where it developed
>>524329539Yeah if you haven’t noticed my disdain for both the left and the right from that post idk what to tell you. If you’re a rightoid on this website then you already know in your heart that there’s nothing more free-market and product-oriented than the production of massive video prostitution. It’s not “trad” but neither are any of your politicians; they larp to steal your vote and pay you back with the opposite of what you asked for, every time.
>>524328262>posts a trannysick of seeing this .0002% of the populationyou're fags, you will never be anything remotely resembling passing as a womanyou are discontent with reality and arent even content with your fantasies because nobody wants to accept your fantasies into the rest of realityyour adam's apple doesnt lie, your shoulders dont lieFUCKIN TRANNIES
Art is a waste of time.Get to work you losers.
>>524329655Same in Canada, finnbro, same in Canada; but you need to know that that’s because our countries are more white, or at least were, so such things used to be possible, though they are becoming perverted over time by ideology designed to attack our economic collaboration with our peers.
>>524329963Merry Christmas pedophile. Hope you die in a fire. Stay away from schools.
>>524329963>disdain for the "left" and "right"You have disdain for performative faggots.
>high quality slopStill slop. >true creativitylmao, drawing anime shit is the opposite of creativity.
>>524328262Honestly if you are far right/conservative or left/progressive you probably have a mind that can only create ideological slop
>>524328387>the "right" in the USA is actually left of centermate you are fucking insane. Both your parties are right of center and the Republicans are currently a far right insanity cult around that complete fucking retard Trump.
>>524329861Nothing digital is art? Christ what a caved in head moron tier take. Art is anything where a human has had to put in work in order to create something that can be shared with others. Better or worse is somewhat subjective, but we all have a sufficient shared intuitive definition of it so as to be able to compare to some extent. And all of us have seen digital artwork that is beautiful, compelling, took human work and love to create, and has transformative meaning, right? If you haven’t, that’s a fucking YOU problem, go and get cultured, it’s basically free. I love old books full of paintings, this is not mutually exclusive, but you’re just dressing up being a Luddite as though it was some erudite patrician attitude and it doesn’t play well when you’re literally posting about it on the internet. Should go write a letter to the editor instead champ
>>524330252Trump is a maoist.
>>524328262How come the left ignores the Roman Empire when they slam the right for not being good at art
Progressives create nothing of value in cultureName one thing in the last 20 years
>>524328262>Producing cultureKind of irrelevant at this point... Despite all the 'the left produces appealing content and the right doesn't' shit, people are still turning on the left because no amount of propaganda of any quality can make their now-insane ideas palatable to anyone of at least average intelligence
>>524328262because they're niggers with no skills besides shitposting and pretending to be "conserving" things
>>524328262We have a disdain for unconstrained progressivism/novelty worshipLeftist art: ITS CREATIVE. But its garbage. Its a black guy screaming about the last rape he committed. Fuck off. Conservative art: painting of jesus>inb4 well im very intelligent thats why i-If you were intelligent you’d be in STEM
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>>524330206wow great argument there retard>flagnevermind as expected from ahmed obongo mohammed the 2nd
>>524330130Yes, fair>>524330252Left and right are a per-culture somewhat arbitrary distinction. More than anything else these days they’re just camps of identity; they don’t represent any natural eternal divide or objective evaluation. Values and policies have switched sides and parties many times and will continue to do so as people seek to use the divide to manipulate (aka Finkelthink). The one thing I am sure of is that art has value and a truly evolved society is able to afford having them - and criticizing them.
>>524328262The left having taking over the world lf art is exactly the reason why art is at it's worst in all of history.Everything is transient, nothing is transcendental.That's because art is about the discourse around the artistic object, never about the artistic object itself.Liberal leftism loves to mock the art of dictatorships but once in power they've directly killed art
>>524330252Nobody wants to admit it, but US doesn't belong on the left-right spectrumWe have progressives and conservatives who sometimes suck up the conversation, but we're traditionally liberal
>>524330252>Far left: trannies>Maga: trannies with red hats>You: THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! REEEEEEEEEEE!!!
>>524328262Name a conservative studio and a leftist one and we can check... Literally just one of each. Go
The left artists want cash/money for their art services but also want to end capitalism.
Well leftists don't use AI and they make shit like concord so nice self own leftist negro.
>>524328262>thinking it’s libs vs conservativesJews own the media and use it ruthlessly to promote whatever agenda helps them and harms goyim. Turns out liberal progressivism is the best ideology to destroy their enemies and so they promote it everywhere.
>>524330379Yes and progressives "progressing" towards Saladin Bin Azzarden celebrating Ramadan as a natural Austrian citizen is better.
>>524330363When you say this, you are revealing to us that you have only scraped the surface of culture, and you have only seen your own bad taste reflected back at you. It’s time to actually explore what people living in your city are creating; go to a local gallery showing, go to a live music venue, go and watch a play. If you expect greatness to be spoon fed to you from the communal trough of television, you are showing yourself as being presently unworthy of anything better. Just like how real art requires effort from the artist, so too does real cultural participation require you to actually do some of the lift in terms of finding stuff worthy of your attention.
>>524328262>left artists shit on a canvas and call it art, the right seethes and moves on>right artists create "ai slop" that spreads the word of God, the left seethes keeps seething and finds all kinds of ways to expressing just how much they're seethingi'll take the side opposite of demons exposing themselves any day
Are people really forgetting that nobody gave a fuck about dogshit 10 follower twitter/tumblr “artists” before AI was ever a thing? The simple fact that jeet coded AI in its infancy is already displacing them is proof that there was such a huge surplus of their derivative slop on the internet that AI had plenty of training material to effectively imitate them.
>>524328445The Republican Party today is roughly as conservative as Obama was in his 2008 campaign. Actually probably more liberal than that since Obongo was originally against gay marriage
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>>524330550This is also highly correct and has a ton of predictive power. We don’t have a free market for art, whatever that would look like, because we have made it possible for small groups to control vast broadcast mechanisms that enforce social curation upon us, and deliver us filth and degeneracy and pretend that it is good and praiseworthy, replete with award shows to cement the narrative.
>>524330428What's the argument to make when the person directly says it's shit (high quality shit, probably as in very pugent and sticky) ? I wish I knew what your flag is to make a joke.
George Alexopoulos just makes philosemitic rage comics in the style of his fetish art.
>>524328262Gee, I wonder.
>>524328777checked
>>524329654>cancelled>red hot chili peppersqrd?
>>524328262What is true creativity?
>>524329404>In a very real sense, pornographers are true right wing artists; they make a product that has evolved and refined over time to become exactly the economic product of pure consumption that exemplifies the rightoid view of art.That's an interesting viewpoint lol. To me art and business are separate things. I don't mind some govt grants for artists so long as it isn't just for gross intentionslly-ugly SJW demoralization shit.
>>524328262Art is soulful. Rightoids are soulless.
>>524330701>>524330671What we are facing here is actually the weakness of our ability to criticize art, not the absence of good art. Let’s suppose that the tree-dragon was good art; the pic doesn’t show it, might have been some anthro furry trash as well, who knows; but supposing it is, the thing that is lacking here is our ability to say that a statue of a man sucking himself off is trash and that anyone who would produce it is trash. Such a person should be bullied! They should be afraid to submit such a sculpture because of the castigation and judgement of their peers, for making something gross and unredeeming. It did not need to be created. Smashing it would be a goodness. The problem is that we have relinquished the right to criticize art in a normative way. If you don’t like that statue, you’re a boor, a bigot, uncultured; and you’re the one that will lose your right to display art. We have given up our right to a specific critique in the name of blanket statement legalistic (autistic!) approaches toward determining what’s acceptable and what isn’t; taste has gone out the window. You can place the blame there on the people that have been running the institutions that have influence over art - from academia to galleries to government grants, they’re all captured by people who want to rub their cultural occupation in our faces.
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>>524330839I hope you can see my sarcasm in there. I’m insulting right wingers for porn being their best art.I agree totally that art is art and that making it into a business cheapens it and removes integrity. This is one reason why I think experiences of true art as a consumer are better when they’re on a small scale. Be one of a thousand people who has heard someone play, has seen someone’s painting.
>>524328262Modern art is either smut, or money laundering.
>>524328262most modern "artists" are absolutely dogshit talentless hacks and nepo babies. Most of the talented artists I grew up with don't even work in the arts now as adults because the performative faggotry and woke nonsense killed it, and there's no real money in it unless you're selling weird fetish porn or doijg money laundering schemes for jews and other assorted shitheels
>>524329655North American leftism looks weird to outsiders because you are looking at two camps:The elites who slap rainbows on all their marketing, hire infinity H1Bs while screaming diversity is our strength, donate to Democrats and encourage illegal immigration.They also bought r/politics on reddit long ago and enforce left only narratives there with an iron fist. In addition to having owned every other normie frame of reference through hollywood and the MSM forever. This is Hollywood and their pedophiles such as Weinstein, Epstein, NXVIM and various celebrity powered cults, Scientology is still kicking in the background for example. You've never heard of the Rosacrucians yourself but they're out there in CA.Then you have the rank and file have not brand of leftists, these are your street antifa types, and keyboard warriors on woke adventures (It do be like that Mr. Stanzil)They exist either in completely rural spaces in which they long to go live on the street as they'll be equally useless in urban environments, or in sort of a parasitic couch surfing relationship around elites in california or austin or portland. This is the useful idiot level of leftist that do unpaid labor making memes for the elites etc while wondering why corpos have no housing or wages for them as they continue to import the third world via Democrat subsidy money. They do get hired sometimes in short term makework/corporate deflection DEI positions in which they fuck up movies and games.These are anything from your tranny burnout NEETs that lurk these board to those getting by on making up bullshit on social media like Krassenstein.They claim to be diametrically opposed to corporatism but scream bloody murder if any of their corporate owned space is democratized to include diversity of thought: See Twitter getting purged of woke activists and replaced by X.
>>524328387Art (actual art) involves the display of human skill. That's why a beautiful natural landscape isn't art but a skillful painting of it is.
>>524328445>>524329209>>524330252You guys are probably talking about two different things. Left and Right are too general and consist both of social and economic views. You could easily say we're right wing overall because we're a capitalist society, you could also say we're left wing overall because of our social climate, at least compared to the rest of the world, not just hyperliberal euro countries that singers visit. You can disagree on my placements but my main point is you have to be specfic in what you're talking about because we're plotting economics and social beliefs on the same line and having to weigh how much we think each matters.
>>524328262Modern art a few days before AI came out
>>524330591>go to local gallery>the gallery is some libshit fingerpainting with globs of period blood calling her finger smears a "critique of the patriarchal structures of the art world" Go be a sanctimonious faggot somewhere else
>>524330650>the oppositeIn your example both sides are just shilling jewish slop of slightly different flavours anon.
To go a little further: Rightoids see public institutions sponsoring ugly awful artwork that disrespects white European culture and values, and instead of saying “we need to take those institutions back and fix their values”, they say “we need to remove the role of art from those institutions”. This of course doesn’t address the root cause, and will merely change the vector by which the occupying class disseminates art sponsorship money. Oh no, goy, we can’t use the schools and national granting bodies anymore? We will have to use our thousands of existing charities and NGOs and non profits instead? Perish the thought. And then when finally some of them do start to understand that controlling the institutions is better than relinquishing control, they want to do it in asinine ways, whether through violence or through dropping out of the system and abdicating entirely. It’s a refusal to go in and actually play the game in order to win. Why? That’s how it was won against us to start with; is there a reason to believe the vector has been closed?
There is no point making art anymore.In this materialist slave hell world era we have entered, humans can no longer feel or think anything anymore.
>>524328262I have destain for retards. You will not stop AI slop not matter how much you cry. It's over. It's like being against the printing press. Everything will be made with generative AI going forward.
>>524331665Lmao even. You post a painting of white people in a modern art gallery and the Left will literally execute you and expect legal immunity from it - claiming you support genocide
>>524331584You’re just showing me you haven’t been to a gallery show. That’s not at all the kind of stuff that I see. I see landscapes, interesting portraits, memorable local locations, and compelling vignettes. Even when I used to go to trashy downtown east side galleries next to the druggies, the worst thing I ever saw was just a bunch of pretentiously framed black and white pictures of poodles displayed as though it was saying something profound…Sure, hey, I bet that I’m just not going to the shows that have awful content. That’s kind of the point, though, isn’t jt? You vote with your feet and dollars, donate to the orgs that are putting on stuff you like, and encourage others to do the same. It adds up and eventually there’s more of the thing you like.
>>524328262Many are utilitarian (only see value in things that directly solve a problem). That is fine. But they see other forms of thinking - "symbolic" as artists think - as weird or useless.Plus our culture has made "art" mean an elitist fortress. Looking at a child's drawing is observing art. You're seeing how they see the world, and it allows you to examine how you see the world. That's all art is.
>>524331796>LMAO there might be some resistance so it isn't worth trying you dumb libtard
>>524331796I don’t think that’s true. I think you believe this because you have a vision of what art and institutions are like that doesn’t reflect reality. Like most Rightoids you have abdicated your participation in society and now sneer upon it like a loser kid on the playground with sour grapes. You could just join your local municipal art association and submit cool paintings of white dudes and you’d do just fine; you think otherwise because the only thing you actually submit is posts online in echo chambers that confirm your loser viewpoint. Turns out that all you have to do to be accepted is to start putting in effort on making others feel good in your presence, anon.
There are people of different talents and psychological profiles. There are artistically, mysticalally, practically, leadership or socially directed people and everyone of them has their own strengths and weaknesses. Look at Trump. He is good at business and undoubtedly is a great leader but he has no taste and you just can see that he is not a very deep person. On the other hand you have someone like Vincent van Gogh or Eric Satie who were impractical weirdos but had great artistic talents and were able to create top tier art. People who are able to look through the wokism are mostly practical no-bullshit types. Unfortunately, this kind of people are shit at art and are not creative at all. Sometimes they learn how to play an instrument or paint, but stuff they make has zero artistry - cheesy country music or pictures of horses kind of things. People who tend to support socially leftist ideologies are the ones who are the most open minded, at the expense of practicality. The open mindedness makes them more creative and better at art. Yes, there is a lot of absolutely shit-tier degenerate pseudo-artists, but the actually talented ones are mostly leftists too and there is no point denying it. The reason why right-wingers love AI so much is because they have no taste and in their eyes AI slop is no different than Rembrandt.
>>524331915As if any truly good artwork has not had detractors! Envy is a powerful motivator of behaviour. We could probably find contemporaries who shat upon well known renaissance artists for the same reasons, which are timeless.
>>524328262The left hates art. They only love it as much as they can use it as a vehicle to provoke their political opponents.
>>524328388thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t--E1DtWBuA
>>524332017I think you may have a good point here, polebro. Too bad the social sciences never really use their polling systems to figure out the answers to questions like this. For sure, some people are born creatives and some are not. My wife was in piano lessons her whole life and can play sheet music easily but cannot make up her own melodies. My older son, in comparison, will probably never have the diligence for sheet music but can improvise delightful songs on the piano. Two vastly different skill sets; one hears that Vangelis never learned sheet music and I imagine that he is far from alone in that among great musicians.
>>524332106This is silly, I thought a Swede would be smarter than that. The left loves art, they’re forever going on about media products. They might have trash taste, you should be critiquing from that standpoint instead. Show us correctly that what they like is bad and that they should like something else instead! But don’t pretend they don’t like art because all that shows us is that you somehow don’t have any friends at all
>>524330252there is nothing right-wing or conservative about wanting to be slaves to an inferior species because you worship their god and want their money. that's left-wing but in some weird way that doesn't account for WANTING to be slaves. right wing just means you want the freedom to exclude or include anyone you want into your communities based on their moral beliefs. you can't have a cohesive society unless everyone is on the same page. this will never work as long as neanderthals exist, or at least the neanderthal brains.
>>524331518It's insane how simple it is yet people don't get it
>only liberal lefists can make true ar-
>>524328262It's all hidden behind copyright and IP laws, we are taking combat systems, stories, lore, mechanics, etc. No point mentioning other patented technology that is hidden behind patents so some kike families can profit for hundreds of years now.
>>524331849>blah blah blah blah blahThere are no galleries centered around European/Aryan folk art, anon. All the galleries and art shit are run by vindictive, white hating jews.
>>524332398I don’t know if your definition of right wing is the most common, anon, but I do agree that being exclusionary is kind of a requirement to having good anything. Whether it’s a garden or an art gallery, curation is a key aspect of making things beautiful, which in turn is just the human sense of multiple models of perception reporting that something is recognized as an ideal case by being orderly and designed to elicit delight in its correctness. We have many people in our societies who are not delightful. We have elected to include them, and to make very few provisions around their inclusion. This has resulted in me not being able to send my 10yo to walk down to the store on his own, something that a 6 year old would have done in a small town a hundred years ago. This is a policy decision.
>>524332359They don't like art itself, they like the discourse around art.They're followers of Krause's philosophy and they don't even know it
>>524328262>Which has the monopoly on...Neither because all media is dog shit now and has been for about a decade. Fuck off all of you.
>>524332621Hell, galleries don't even display shit like the grouo of 7 anymore because all the works were privately boughr and squirreled away in vaults and (((private galleries)))
>>524332017>Look at Trump. He is good at business and undoubtedly is a great leader but he has no taste and you just can see that he is not a very deep person. On the other hand you have someone like Vincent van Gogh or Eric Satie who were impractical weirdos but had great artistic talents and were able to create top tier art.Trump is the closest thing to an artist in modern times, he is an ongoing piece of performance art. Out of nothing, he created nostalgia visions of a bullshit past that never existed, and concocted a story complete with heroes (himself and his followers) and a cast of villains, who helpfully and obliviously play the role he assigned them, giving him wonderful climax moments in his story, like that Martyr Mug Shot photo and Hero Dodges a 1mm Bullet moment. This is better than most actual "art" could ever be.The only thing you could deem to be true art these days is propaganda.
>>524332621Have you considered opening such a gallery? Have you considered donating to someone opening one? No? Interesting. Nobody else has either. If you go and take a look at what the retirees in your local art association are painting, however, you might find that it’s really not that far off from what retirees paint everywhere else, and that it’s pleasant and non threatening
>>524331665We don't have eighty years to make our own long march through the institution. The only options that produce results are groups coordinating to relocate and re-establish elsewhere in the world or accepting Helter Skelter and lighting the fuse. No other option is acceptable. The Long March through the Institutions worked because it was inconceivable. We can't do the same thing they did. They will be ready and even if you somehow out-Jew a Jew, they will be waiting with the Samsonite Option to burn it all down on their way out.
AI cant replace art. If your creation is competing with AI then you arent making art. You are less original then a lobotomized web spider that cant even say fuck niggers.
We don’t. We love art. Real art.We simply don’t agree with the progressive mindset of ->Literally everything is art.It’s not. If everything is art, then nothing is art.
>>524332767So you’re going to do nothing instead? All I am suggesting is that it’s possible to have a nice well balanced life supporting your local community artists, and that you can eschew popular culture in favour of that. Wouldn’t it be grand if that caught on more as an idea? Fatalism about the future is psychologically damaging and renders you less able to make positive actions in the present. It’s Christmas, anon; you could go outside and do some caroling.
>>524332764>have you considNo, because I'm not one of the jewish millionaires/billionaires who get to waltz through all the planning and zoning committies and get special interest free jew only loans to finance opening a gallery. >have you considered donatingWhy the fuck would I donate money to jews, you fucking idiot? Even if I wanted to, I work full time and don't have disposable income to donate in the first place. Nobody donates to artslop because people are fucking broke. Go be a smarmy, duplicious jew somewhere else.
>>524328262These are the same people who decided a drawing of a soup can was the highest art.
>>524330839>economic product of pure consumptionDoesn’t sound right wing at all. Free markets are not right wing.
>>524332764>Just create your own international public and private institutional frame broPfff
>>524332899The "local community artists" you're babbling about are jews, turbo leftists, feminists, and worthless nepo babies, you gaslighting jew. Fuck right off.
>>524332928Do you really think your entire local art community in Canada is populated exclusively by Jews? Maybe in Montreal or something but they’re really a pretty small segment of the population otherwise. Mostly what I’ve seen are cat ladies and Karens, and by being nice to them you could get on the art council and be a voice for slow change. What do you think your Jews did? Did they murder everyone on the previous art council??
>>524331983Amazing that you believe this works in Canada.I left the Professional world in many ways for this exact thing: you cannot be ANY KIND of Rightoid and make it in social or economic spheres today. They literally sniff you the fuck out, dig into your past, find things out then hold them over you to destroy your life.The only way to win at a rigged poker table is:>shoot and rob the dealer>don't playThis Jewish Rat culture has infested almost every facet of public life now. If you are not constantly sucking Nigger toes or being in love with Current Thing, you will get nowhere unless you are prepared to compromise your morals and values just to not win anyway because even after you, "prove them wrong," you STILL are held liable for not being BORN a fucking Lefty Jew Golem.They have done this for years. It's why millions of Zoomers are openly racist, into Nazi/Fascist shit and more radical than even some of us before they can even drive a car. They were pigeonholed into being the bad guys, then realized being the bad guys is kinda fun and embraced it and found the power within that makes the Jew so afraid of it.
There is zero chance that the PR companies for AI aren’t trying, more than anything, to make AI seem like a left vs right issue.
>>524333036>blah blah blah>more gaslighting and pilpulFuck off, jew.
>>524332959Actually, it's a Banana.
>>524332969Man you’re gonna have one of the weirder right wing definitions if you don’t put the free market on that side. I gather you’re going to be putting some pure monarchy thing over on the right and therefore have everything else that anyone is actually doing in modern politics all the way over on the left. That’s a poorly calibrated range, you need to adjust your curves and levels to actually draw some contrast into the current relevant politics, in which unbridled free market capitalism is identity-group associated with people on the right. You disagreeing along neoreactionary moldbug lines doesn’t actually serve you conversationally. >>524332988All I see from a poster like you is a manchild playing in the ruins, refusing to believe that anything so big could ever have been built by a man like him. In a way, you’re right; a man did build great things once, but not a man like you.
>>524333055he's a lying jew, pay him no mind. The art world in Canada is completely captured by jews, boomers, and leftists, you will not get a platform or access if you're openly right wing, speaking from first hand experience.
>>524333055Good, you have realized that you cannot succeed by being a rightoid. That is exactly the truth. Perhaps it is time to be something else instead? Something prosocial, that advances a message even better than anything the failed left has promised? Ahh, but to be so bold would be a lot of work, and even I do not have the gumption or bravery to do that, especially not in the crab-in-a-bucket world we have created. Sorry, anons, we still await the saviour of the west. Merry Christmas.
>>524332741This is not an artistic vision, it's his outstanding leadership ability. He has no artistic talent, no taste and is shallow as fuck, he just knows what will make people follow him and does it very well.
>>524333241>the jew lashes out when he can't argue with the truth and his gaslighting/pilpul fails>picrel, it's (((you)))
>>524333366I don't know anon, there's definitely an art to the way he convinced anti-semites to vote for the most jewish president in history.
>>524331518So photography isn't art?
>>524333241>NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT LIBERAL DEMOCRACY!!!No, fuck it. In this you're being more reactionary than traditionalists themselves, at least they aren't defending a walking demographic, economic and social collapse without other reason than pure inertia and fear of change
>>524333478A photographer has more control and intent in their composition than a proompter, but you already know this and are more interested in baity semantics games than art.
>>524333478No.
>>524333478Unfortunately a lot of modern photography has replaced skill with camera/phone camera features and such>built in stabilization>software colour/light correction>filters and "AI" >built in timers, modes, etc
>>524333335>oy vey goy just give in and submit to jewish rule alreadyYeah, there it is.
>>524332899Look here, Leaf-Nigger. Of all the Anglos in the family tree, I hate you the most for entirely personal and unfair and insane reasons. A personal disagreement with a Canuck makes me want to commit an international hate-crime.So that out of the way: you have no idea who the fuck you could be talking to right now. You are also a blithering idiot who probably lives somewhere in the Great North so remote that you don't even see other White people. It's gonna be all fun and games until the woods you're not allowed to walk in anymore are bulldozed to import infinity jeets and Amazon Fulfillment Centers to give them good paying jobs.Furthermore, I told you what would work. You don't know who I am, what I'm doing and what I have done. What you are advocating is nothing but dead-end distractions that will waste some gullible but potentially productive White man.Also I hope you realize just how bad things are in your own household eventually. Not because I care about you - oh no, far from it cheeseball - I only want you to experience the exact kind of fucking Hell I live in now.
>>524329035Strange no one replied to this post when it summarized the topic with brevity. Leftists have a delusional worldview where someone else pays for their excesses and the art world reflects this. Everyone can sing, everyone can pick up a pencil, everyone can put a toilet on a podium and call it 'art'. But a certain group of people believe that exclusive persons should get paid for it, at taxpayer expense. Many rightists believe these tasks are hobbies, meant to be done during times of leisure, for their own sake. >>524329404>And they want your art to be compelling and make people think about difficult and socially relevant topics How do you reconcile that with your previous post, and not see the irony that the leftist artist is still an artisan whore trying to make a splash for that juicy grant money, gig exposure. The moment you introduce a financial incentive to do art, creativity stops being refined for talent's sake, and it starts being a task to distinguish or top your last best work >>524330451>Art has valueMaybe as a philosophically empty, generic, or so zoomed out it's hardly workable definition. The true value of AI, the reason so many artists have a problem with it, is that it can generate a work within minutes that takes a real artist perhaps a day or more to complete, and frequently at a better subjective quality. People have been able to right click save as for ages, theft isn't the problem even though the group that mocked NFTs is trying to gaslight people into thinking its about IP. The problem is that bottom barrel consumer sloppers won't pay more for authentic art when placed beside better, faster, cheaper generated art, and businesses know this.
>>524334280The whole AI anti AI argument for art is largely coming from talentless hacks who can't see a way to use it as the tool it is. Yeah you can make it crank out 50 versions of x or y content of varying quality levels, but there's still room for a skilled artist to modify or rework the best prompt result. Even I've played around with generating art, though I still prefer to hand-make my art for the love of the process and craft.
>>524328262Niggers don't like art.
>>524334280>Maybe as a philosophically empty, generic, or so zoomed out it's hardly workable definition. The true value of AI, the reason so many artists have a problem with it, is that it can generate a work within minutes that takes a real artist perhaps a day or more to complete, and frequently at a better subjective quality. People have been able to right click save as for ages, theft isn't the problem even though the group that mocked NFTs is trying to gaslight people into thinking its about IP. The problem is that bottom barrel consumer sloppers won't pay more for authentic art when placed beside better, faster, cheaper generated art, and businesses know this.It's the same discourse portrait painters had when they got assblasted by photography.They're seething because Mr. Coomer can generate his own futa furry porn instead of having to pay an artist
>>524332491nah, that's DEIggers
>>524335155There is a portion of this to it too. A lot of low/mid artists were making money off of fetish content and simple requests that the coomers can now just have generated by an LLM for free/a small subscription.
>>524328262>SAAAAR SAAAAAR THE RIGHT MUST LOVE AI SAR BECAUSE THE LEFT HATES IT>SAAAAR SAAAAR THE LEFT HATES AI SAARThis board all day every single day.
>>524331518By that logic photography is not art and yet it is and less flexible than AI is.
>>524328262>"""""artistically inclined"""">LEFT CARES ABOUT ART>All libtrooners do is infiltrate a medium/already established beloved franchise that has tons of creativity put into them, make sure nobody else but them have the reins to it like literal invaders, and then make tranny/woke slop out of it like a feeding parasite with some of the most juvenile art imaginable from CalArts to vitiligo monstrosities.You aren't artists, you are fucking identitarians and activists. Libtrooners like you care about power, and you infested the industry with the intention of corrupting the thoughts and ideas of ideas who saw your kind as disgusting and filth human beings, and now you are being replaced. If the industry wasn't the way it was and was the opposite, you would be championing their displacement too in the hopes that it would get rid of the people in the reins.
>>524335376See: >>524333608>>524335326The political divide is very apparent. There's even a narrative that AI art is a tool of revenge against snooty woke artists.
>>524335096>>524335155I do have some sympathy for them. It's gotta be a real confidence crusher to work on something for a week, planning the concept, getting the shading just right, having art dysmorphia from unattainable perfectionism, and then seeing someone else post an image crafted from 20 minutes of refined prompts that mogs your image while others give feedback indicating they prefer the generated image.
>>524333055>you cannot be ANY KIND of Rightoid and make it in social or economic spheres todayGood. Become a natsoc.
>>524328445Why are liberals so ignorant of the state of politics just 20 years ago? Your average non political citizen in the 1940's would be more conservative in their beliefs than any die hard conservative today
>>524328262Most of these people were fucked long before AI. It’s largely a cope. Too many boomer parents thought their kid uniquely special and pushed them towards the arts as a career, or didn’t say no when the kid said they wanted a hobby as a career. These ‘artists’ have been slogging away on insta and twitter (pre Elon) for a decade plus having their psyches destroyed by every psyop. Don’t want to enrage your ‘followers’? Well you’d better apply that rainbow filter. In some ways, AI is a gift to them, as it gives a reasonable pretence to abandon a thought of an artistic career, and do their favourite thing which is to claim victimhood. We can expect them be really loud and destructive until they eventually either an hero or full communism is implemented.
>>524335800Time is a hostile concept to liberalism, because liberalism was built against the ancient regime it can't deal with itself being the dominant force.It's incapable of self criticism that doesn't derivate in either doubling down or saying that it can be helped.For a liberal both true liberalism has never been achieved and all of human history will collapse the moment it happens.They're a cult at odds with human nature
>>524329035the current right is just ''what benefit the richfags'' defence force, especially in usa
>>524328262Why is art better when a society is more right wing?
>>524328262Why do artists suck ass so bad that robots are replacing them?
>>524336820The liberal artists get more agitated and inspired.
>>524328262This is such a cope. Almost all the great books, movies and television shows were made by people that would be extremely right wing by today's standards. The left controls basically all modern western art institutions and they produce nothing but crap. Go back to worshipping Basquiat you absolute scum.
>>524328262Because they've always been creatively bankrupt other than finding new ways to divide and murder people.
>>524328387>which is why the US government bans all rightwing candidates>elects modern HitlerHere, you dropped this.
>>524328262bitch is so dumb that she doesn't understand that joke is on her
I've long maintained that instead of crying about the "wokificiation" of Hollywood we need to be making our own media that reflects the world as we see it.And I'm talking about actual media that has artistic value, not podcasts and YouTube channels run by talking head grifters.
>>524337991The issue lies with the fact that if they wanted to, they'd do it. But every attempt to make an artistic space for conservatives has been driven entirely by spite and ends with up with artistically bankrupt drivel that is a worse, more politicized version than what they accuse the left of.
>>524328262>Conservative studios are now proudly using Al to save money.>Meanwhile Leftist studios hire musicians, actors, writers, artists, animators, and craftsmen all around the world to produce the exact same indoctrinating and grooming goyslop of the ugliest quality.>Guess which has the monopoly on producing culture.
>>524328262Making every character a deformed fat black lesbisn isn't creativity. Dumping your daddy issues into dialog trees isn't creativity. Recursive deconstruction into an unrelated pile of components isn't creativity. Making everything pastel and flat isn't creativity. Swearing every third word isn't creativity. Recreating your little rich kid bubble isn't creativity
>>524331148>I’m insulting right wingers for porn being their best art.Most of them are leftist Jews though. And if you define "best" as "most commercially successful" then youve already submitted to their worldview.
>>524328262Yeah it's gonna make for a weird fucking divide in the future in the entertainment spaces. While it's *strictly* divided down the line but if we end up in the situation where most left-leaning projects stick to more traditional means of keeping and hiring human talent they'll probably just be more culturally relevent compared to conservative entertainment which will just be total slop if they embrace AI fully.
>>524330252Nigger what are you doing hereSeriously
>>524328262It’s a disdain for garbage.
>>524328387Electing a pedophile is not compatible with centrism, you fucking retard mutt.
