If I'm being completely honest, I have NO IDEA WHATSOEVER why Trump and the US is trying to instigate war in Venezuela. There's no reason for it whatsoever. None.
Brown ppl is reason enough alone
>>524364907Venezuela translates to Little Venice
1. oil2. install Machado who is a Milei-style turbo-neoliberal and will privatize everything and open up the country to US business3. VZ having its current government is a long-term black eye for US boomers just like Iran4. Maduro being ousted is seeing by gusanos like Rubio as a stepping stone to taking down the Cuban revolution
>>524364907The American people are bored and need a distraction. It's just that simple, it's the modern equivelant of Roman gladitorial battles.
Combating increasing unemployment and an entirely AI propped up GDP by seeking out a country he can wage war against that can't do much to fight back
>>524364983none of those are real reasons because the guerrillas would make all that inviable.When they give you a bunch of reasons none of them is true>>524364907Just like Trump's sanctions caused the first venezuelan migrant crisis he is now making war so create another one in order to boost republicans anti-migrants rhetoric and enforce a jewish controlled police state, his donors also get more cheap labor as a bonus
>>524364907Who cares if you understand whats going on?If you were aware should we care?
>>524364907There is no war, it's just jewish circus for the goyim cattle (you)
>>524364907Whatever the reason, jewish pedophiles and their shabbos goyim cattle are the ones making these decisions.
>>524364907Yeah, I want us all to live in peace
Oil and to stop Chinas expansion into South America.
>>524364907venezuela instigated war against us. It's a totalitarian state so it is fair game to be invaded. Rules don't apply.
It is irrelevent. It means nothing. Wash ur penis and buy a house
>>524364907Don't talk about the Epstein files goy, your government isn't completely compromised. Trump is protecting your freedom by bombing the Al-Shabab terrorists in Nigeria.
Can someone confirm or deny that Venezuela offered huge amounts of natural resources a few months back?I found:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nicol%C3%A1s-maduro-offered-venezuela-s-oil-and-gold-to-the-us-to-avoid-possible-intervention/ar-AA1OeI2c>Nicolás Maduro Offered Venezuela’s Oil and Gold to the U.S. To Avoid Possible InterventionBut is that article trustworthy?Did talks break down, and if so, why?
>>524369466mainly rubio and his gusano Florida gang intervening by coming up with a way of selling the war to trump as "anti cartel operations" who is to retarded to know better otherwise this anon sums up the reasons for war the best>>524364983
>>524364907Venezuelan gov't dislikes Israel and Trump only takes orders from Jewsthis is why
>>524364983>1. oilnever spread this retarded narrative ever again in your life
>>524364907because USA is a paper dragon whose reign is rapidly ending because the world saw through it's lies and shitholes are the only thing USA can still bullyor in other words: your (((leaders))) are desperate
>>524369466>globohomo source>But is that article trustworthy?of course not
>>524367931As a brazil person, did the nazi hunters leave any weird social artifacts? Like crazy political legacy stuff, anything notable to a regular brazilian citizen? Aside from the Israel -> American Right -> Bolsonoro stuff.
>>524364983Also jews seems to want a war with Venezuela, but it is though to see why i mean maduro is pro palestinian but so is every other 3rd world leader i think it is because they want to normalize millatary intervention in American so they can help them down the line with iran
>>524370167So it's an oil war. Noted.
>>524370114>>524370202Are there any Venezuelan sources for what statements Maduro has made on this topic? Like, has he officially claimed to offer oil?Written online sources in Spanish are fine, translation services can easily handle those most of the time.
>>524371582I think their embassy denied, but I can't find it and no there are no other sources for this outside of the new york times.It's just a another psy-op to paint maduro as le evil dictator that would backstab his country for personal gain in order to lower international support from his allies to venezuela and try to foment dissidents inside venezuela itself. It also helps panting trump as the tough guy instead of someone who is getting humiliated by a bus driver and tries to blur the lines that this totally isn't about natural resources .
>>524372165Come to think i have also only heard it from American media also every american / western source brings up that maduro rigged the election and state it is a fact is that bs as well?
>>524372165I did not find sources for or against it.I did find these pro-Maduro news sites.https://diariovea.com.ve/https://www.correodelorinoco.gob.ve/If it really is a point of contention that Venezuela seized without compensation different assets from some US oil companies, Maduro really should just pay it back. Absolutely insane to not pay back proper compensation.But apparently, US Chevron is still operating in Venezuela. Strange.https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Chevron-Doubles-Down-on-Venezuela-as-US-Pressure-and-Production-Risks-Mount.html>To date, as President Trump declares a complete blockade on Venezuelan tankers, Chevron is the largest foreign investor in the country. It is the biggest contributor to Venezuela’s oil production rebound since 2023, and even the government in Caracas likes things this way. “Chevron has been present in Venezuela for 102 years, and I hope the company works here for another 100 years without problems,” President Nicolas Maduro said in July.Maduro should still make a public announcement to pay back Exxon, Conoco and other companies somehow over time and give them proper compensation. It is utter insanity if Maduro does not compensate them properly.
>>524372610I imagine that the current rule is tyrannical, corrupt, laden with drug business, inefficient, etc. They should perform reforms and improvements, in so far such a thing is possible with a large proportion of the population having a significant descendance from Bantus. But I am also not convinced that any government afterwards would be any better, nor that it would be certain that there wouldn't be one or more horrible civil wars in the aftermath.Is it oil, or preparation for WW3, or just acting for Israel?
>>5243649071. oil for trump's oligarchs2. distraction from economic and political failures in the us
It’s really sad how fucking stupid the users of this website has become/pol/ used to be the brightest thinkers on the entire internet, now it’s just a shitskin shithole1. Venezuela has major connections to china2. Venezuela is making money from China and using that money to fund cartel operations3. Venezuela is a transit hub for South America as well as the cartels reaching Europe4. Venezuela is also involved with rigging US elections5. Venezuelan gangs on US soil like the tren de aragua that took over an apartment complex in colorado Trump going after Venezuela is a major political move against China and supporting Europe. He’s killing at least three birds with one stone.
>>524364907How else is Trump going to get the Nobel Peace Prize
(I don't think the Danish state is thrilled about me writing about these topics, but the survival of the human species is kind of, sort of, y'know, more important, so it is what it is).
>>524373114>venezuela is the antichristyou're brown
>>524373114do migafags seriously?
>>524373292>>524373308Thanks for proving me right on how fucking stupid the users of this board have becomeDumbass europoors
>>524372610idk, the claim comes from the opposition using a few receipts from more urbanized areas where they hold the majority to claim that those are representative of the entire country, some absurd number like 70~80% voted for them. Venezuela's voting system is pretty good, they have both electronic and paper voting and paper receipts and their electoral court that includes members of the opposition recognized his re-election. On the other hand they refused to show all the receipts to "the international community" which made people suspicious and drove other leftist governments in LATAM to distance themselves from them. All I know is that the claim that he is a dictator with no popular support is complete bs. He still enjoys a lot of popular support amongst the poor and has no problem recruiting or making public appearances. The opposition is actually much more divided then people think. There are communists tat don't think he is left enough, there are right wingers that don't support american intervention and then there's the marina corina machado camp which is US backed vocal minority that may or may not gather support from other factions on the right. Mind you the one that supposedly won the past election against him isn't even MAchado who they are trying to install but the ex venezuelan diplomat to the US who after losing went to live in spain.TL;DR: idk, but he does enjoy a critical mass of popular support and the country's institutions recognized him so it's none of our business.
>>524373114>It’s really sad how fucking stupid the users of this website has become>Venezuela is using oil money to fund the cartels because drug smuggling is clearly no profitable enough to fund itself Ecuador just had their last elections stolen during martial law by a miami born narco prince from generational cocaine smuggling family whose companies have been caught smuggling cocaine inside bananas to europe and narco rubio went there to shake his hand, make deals with palantir and is trying to put a military base on darwin's Galapagos islands to secure their drug trade.
>>524373114>4. Venezuela is also involved with rigging US electionsSmartmatic was founded by Venezuelans.>The company grew by acquiring the much larger Sequoia Voting Systems in 2006 (though its stake in Sequoia was later divested), and today runs voting systems in many countries across the world.
>>524364973Scorpion and the frog
>>524370331Venezuela is in OPEC and US oil companies already operate there. Oil isn't the reason. It wasn't the reason for Iraq either. There's a reason Democrats are really mad about regime change there, it's fucking with one of their sources of income and foreign interference. Removing the government is a great idea, installing the neoliberal globohomo Machado bitch is NOT a good idea. That'll create a different set of problems.
>>524373114>5. Venezuelan gangs on US soil like the tren de aragua that took over an apartment complex in coloradoBut I am not sure that the Maduro government is for those gangs. For instance:>The gang has expanded throughout Latin America and the United States with the mass migration of Venezuelans fleeing the regime of President Nicolás Maduro.[28][29] Combating the gang has become a priority for many nations where Tren de Aragua operates.[28] Though Tocorón prison was taken over by Venezuelan security forces in 2023, the leadership escaped.
>>524364907> As of December 26, 2025, Israel and Venezuela maintain no formal diplomatic relations, a status that has persisted since Venezuela severed ties with Israel in January 2009 following the Gaza War.> The break in relations was initiated by then-President Hugo Chávez, who condemned Israel's military actions and accused the country of committing a "Holocaust" against Palestinians, leading to the expulsion of Israel's ambassador and the closure of diplomatic channels.> Since then, Venezuela has aligned itself with anti-Israel positions, supporting Palestine and maintaining ties with countries like Iran
>>524373379shiit I'm sending all my power to the maduro government. What is your assessment of the Venezuelan military do they have any chance of resisting an US invasion assuming nobody interferes ( i know 100 percent russia wont i don't know about china) and should us succeed in installing that ugly slut into power will they face an insurrection or is that just my wet fantasy?
>>524364907I'll tell you why.One of Trump's kike buddies took a trip to Venezuela to rape children, and while the kike was in Venezuela, he saw a White goy there.Naturally, this enraged the jew, who is now demanding the total nuclear annihilation of Venezuela.Trump managed to take the kike's dick out of his mouth just long enough to say "YES, SIR!".
>>524373766Bingo
venesuela probly started printing thier own money based on thier own oil and todl jew in usa to fuck off with their banking rules
>>524374069There would 100% be a insurrection. for the past 25 years Venezuela's military doctrine has been based on asymmetrical warfare studying the Vietnam war as a case study with adaptations like establishing domestic Iranian drone manufacturing in the 2010s.
>>524368299no.
>>524364907MIC stocks go up
>>524374218well, those oil tankers seized were not being converted into dollars but into yuan. Some people argue this as a attempt to back the petrodollar with Venezuelan reserves
>>524364907oil stupid.usa used to rob venesuela using their companies but then venesuela nationalised it and forcefully removed those vampires from their country.guess what usa supported replacement for maduro promises? exactly.
>>524364907Corrupt at every levelIt is the Ukraine of South America
>>524364907>no reason>mutts are broke>their economy is based on warno silver left to build more nvidia graphics cards and weapons. oil is depleted.there you have your reasons and now 250.000 people who never did a fucking thing to anyone will die because thats just how it is on earth.
>>524368299Jupp. That's the spirit right there. We ain't done shiiiet. We trayna save the world n shiiiet .. we ain't never worry about no oil, we ain't build our whole nation in 200 years with blood and oil! Its them over there! Their oil be messin with our dollar! They ain't about no tarrifs! We best send summa them justice planes over the mustaches home. Give'em a what for
>>524373114Is the drug trade in Venezuela really that colossal?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug_trade_in_Venezuela indicates that it is large and growing.Did it increase hand in hand with Chavez/Maduro as well as sanctions? A bit similar to the captagon production and trade in Syria under Bashar al-Assad, where the Syrian state tried to cope with the sanctions through drugs?Seizing oil tankers will probably make Maduro even more reliant on drug trade, if he really is reliant on it. But he shouldn't have gone down the drug trade route in the first place.It's honestly incredibly weird, Venezuela shouldn't have had to descend into the utter evil of drug trade, it has colossal reserves of oil.An alternate plan:>Maduro pays back Exxon, Conoco, Chevron and others proper compensation.>Maduro gives up any and all drug trade, and allows the USA to perform air strikes at will, indefinitely, anytime, anywhere in Venezuela, against people involved in the drug trade, like how Jordan recently did an air strike inside Syria against people involved in drug trade.>Some sanctions are lifted from Venezuela, particularly economic ones and ones regarding oil, to help turn the country away from drugs and towards oil and maybe also some industry. Bangladesh and Turkey has export industries regarding clothes, for instance.>Maduro should try to do reforms.Though this might be way too unrealistic and removed from reality, and fragile and vulnerable in too many ways. And if the Venezuelan government, not only Venezuelans, were involved in the 2020 election steal, then Venezuela effectively already declared war against the USA back then.
>>524364907>If I'm being completely honest, I have NO IDEA WHATSOEVER why Trump and the US is trying to instigate war in Venezuela.Venezuela is China-aligned, and not Russia-aligned.
>>524373746If true, that undermines the drug trade argument to a large degree.The whole topic seems complicated.
>>524373846>Removing the government is a great idea,But how would they avoid one or more civil wars or general death and destruction, and who would replace them?
>>524375667The thing about all that is they were banking on china destroying the USA which they’ve been dangerously close to doing so, like covid and volt typhoon.
>>524374483But it is more complex than that. For instance, the oil needs to be refined. Also consider >>524372748 .
>>524375667Is the drug trade in Venezuela really that colossal?NopeAgain, look at Ecuador. It used to be one of the safest countries in LATAM, but after electing a pro-US puppet they suddenly became a drug exporting hub to neighboring Peru, Colombia and Bolivia. Now the same president whose companies got caught in foreign ports trafficking cocaine uses the moral anti-narcoterrorist narrative to consolidate power, blaming the left for the increase in crime even when under his rule the army got caught on camera freeing drug traffickers from prison. The closer a country's government is to the US the more involved in the drug trade it is.
>>524364907Open a map and think for a second then, dumb dumb. Think of what you know of the global balance of power, think of what you know about nations leaders and alliances/rivalries, think about what you know about different countries material and strategic strengths, think about similarities in issues in/between countries and how they might resemble past and current issues that share regions, resources, structural similarities, or occupy similar roles to eachother, and look at the fucking map and think. You don't have to agree, you can have criticisms, you can see flaws and disagree with cost benefit of a course of action, policy, or relationship, but if you can truely think of NO REASON WHATSOEVER, none at all, then frankly you're just too dumb to be talking about politics.
>>524376179Right wingers are fucking retards they spend their time promoting the things that couse drug smuggling (and illegal imagration for that matter) ie free markets deregulation but than when they couse all those things they do shit like killing every drug smuggler as if that's gonna do shit in terms of the overall picture
>>524373846>Removing the government is a great ideaT. Neocon dickheadTrump was elected to stop foreign wars. We're not the world police
>>524376179I am confused.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug_trade_in_Latin_Americabarely mentions Venezuela.Buthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug_trade_in_Venezuela>The smuggling of cocaine has increased in Venezuela in the 2010s, going from about 25% of South American cocaine coming from the country in 2010[9] to about 33% in 2015.[17]https://www.wsj.com/articles/venezuelan-officials-suspected-of-turning-country-into-global-cocaine-hub-1431977784>Venezuelan Officials Suspected of Turning Country into Global Cocaine HubDid something change since 2015? Are those sources unreliable? Is it a different focus whether export to the USA, Europe, globally?
>>524375851it's not that hard.Just like the US funds terrorist organizations in the ME and Africa to create instability and justify their military presence they fund "narcoterrorist" in latin america to foment instability and create the security threat to justify arm sales and US presence. Bolivia just elected a right winger and one of it's first acts was to allow US military to operate in the bases to "fight narcos" and gather intelligence right next to our border. Milei has the same discourse but was supporting a guy for local elections that got caught involved in cartel drug trafficking
It's to make way for the Mexican incursion, if they started here there would be more international pressure, but after doing some stunts in Venezuela and softening the media's response the next stop is Mehico.
>>524376765Drug trade cartels can have political influence, including through bribes, assassinations, etc., and can work to prevent reforms that can help fix things. I also disagree at least a bit on some other points you make, though I agree that matters can be complex.
>>524376986>is the WSJ claims against the venezuelan government reliable?jezz, we may never know>Did something change since 2015?2015 was around the time sanctions hit them pretty hard so there might have been a increase in all sort black market trade back then >Is it a different focus whether export to the USA, Europe, globally?don't know, I know that cocaine exports to europe increased a lot during the 2000s thanks to the use of 500 euro bills that made it easier to move money than 100 dollar ones.
>>524364907locking all veneco commies in Guantanamo is reason enough.
>>524377035This is another good point. Going after Venezuela puts pressure on Colombia, Brazil, Mexico etc. Trump aligning with Argentina was to put pressure on Brazil and BRICS.
>>524364907You lost troony.
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