>>524380756
Good union? Teachers union. Bad union? Starbucks. It depends on the union itself, and their purpose as well as members.

>>524380880
I've heard that the teacher's union is pretty shit. I don't remember why, I just remember my teachers complaining about it 10 years ago when I was in High School.

>>524380880
Teachers unions protect the worst teachers while negotiating with tax dollars. Public sector unions should be abolished all together but ESPECIALLY teachers unions.

>>524380756
>Ups CEO
White woman
>Fedex CEO
Jeetcel
There is your answer as to why fedex pays less

>>524380756
Well just like anything if its White honest people involved so the union exists in a White ethnostate, its good.
In fact nordics functioned extremely well before the shitskin invasions with this, in fact there is not even any federal minimum wage or anything and not too much employment laws from the government side, but rather the labor unions and employer unions fight out all the details and in the end a solution that works for everyone is reached.
Of course if you let in browns then all bets are off and it becomes just a nest of corruption, imagine putting a pajeet in charge of negotiation for the workers, the employer side could just slip him a fat envelope of cash and the pajeet would accept bad conditions for the workers for his own personal benefit, these kind of systems simply CAN NOT work with dishonest browns around because they require trust.

In fact you already had it happen in USA your unions were taken over by "Italian" mafia and got corrupted to all hell they leeched enormous amounts of money through them and the unions pretty much got busted with the mafia itself.

Quote "Italian" because none of those people were actually italian but MENA shitskins that just pretend to be, jewish-arabic criminals from sicily

That's why its so funny reading some American history how they say that there was a "jewish mob" and an "italian mob" as if they were different things, lmao, they were BOTH jewish
similar to how we now have arab criminal networks in europe, its the same genetic stock too, they're all canaanite gypsies from india

>>524380756
Unions are a product of Capitalism. Workers have to advocate for their own interests when being attacked by Jews.

>>524380756
what it comes down to is this:
at the end of the day, you're going to pay the guy keeping you employed.
With private, you pay they more because they refuse to give you more and you will fall behind society.
With unions, they monitor the current situation and say "is this fair based on the way the world is going" and then lobby for you based on that. Some take more than they should, but you're still usually getting more than the little advancement you make with private.

So it's your choice. Do you want to pay for the advocacy and the benefits you get, or not.

I've learned basically everyone wants to screw you, so just go with the union because you are at least commensurate with the rest of society and at least have the option to fight to get screwed less.

>>524380880
>teachers union
>good
Entrenched leftoids brainwashing your children? Good, according to this fucking retard.

>>524381181
You may think now that it wasnt actually so succesful considering that we have lower salaries and GDP now but thats not due to our labor structure thats purely due to EU and shitskin mass migration.
If you rewind the clock back to 1990 when nordics were all White ethnostates, we all were above both GDP and salaries of all other (real) nations and 20% above usa

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>>524380756
UPS had to fire half their support staff to pay the driver extortion. UPS went from the best package service to the worst in the last year, the company also had to hike rates substantially eroding the core of their business. They'll be bankrupt within 5 years.
This is exactly what happened to pic related (used to be a major US car company for zoomers) they gave in to all their union thugs' demands, had no money left to actually improve their cars, quickly became outdated, sales plummeted and they shuttered forever.

FedEx ground is all contractor bullshit. That guy doesnt work for FedEx, he works for ABF Express as printed on the side of the truck. Its horse shit but that's how its set up.

>>524381310
>support staff
>to pay drivers
so the people that actually work got paid as opposed to some faggot sitting on a phone. kys kike

>>524380756
Welder unions in the US are extremely pozzed at the top

>>524381310
>it's the Union's fault UPS spent over $16 billion in the past 20 years just doing stock buybacks
kill yourself

>>524381181
>Unions only work in ethnostates
Yeah I could agree with this. A problem with unions I've also been made aware of is how people get into certain trades is often just "knowing people." They're very exclusive.
In the US, we're absolutely not an ethnostate. I live in a county that's like ~95% white, and everything is filled with zogs and nogs who constantly side with their own interests. I wouldn't be surprised if there were unions here where they exclusively hired black people or something retarded. It's just another mechanism for their control.

>>524381269
The shitty part about trade unions, is they gatekeep entry from new blood. It's almost like you need to have an uncle or cousin in the union first, then you can get your foot in the door. Not saying they are bad, just feels bad when you are gatekept from better wages by blatant nepotism.

>>524380756
unions are terrorist groups and should be stripped of all rights and privileges. Meaning, if employees form a gang and conspire to go on strike to disrupt the business so it loses money, to extort the company for higher wages, they should not only be fired, but charge with a felony.

>>524381714
>just fall below the interest rate and the pace of the loss of your purchasing value so I can make more money! I'm denying you this raise so I can stay above that level and grow, not you! DEAL WITH IT WAGESLAVE!

Ups was delaying my packages up to a week or more this month. Their delivery dates are now false advertising and I don't trust them with my packages anymore. I witnessed a woman driving their truck, pulling up to my house and leaving several times. Presumably because she didn't feel like or couldn't move my somewhat heavy packages. They cited an "emergency situation" ( a lie) every time.

>>524380993
Everyone in a union, often making 50-100% more than non-union. complains about their union.

>>524380756
i'm not personally in a union because i'm a white collar middle manager, but unions are good. anyone who thinks otherwise is a retard.

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>>524381611
Yeah exactly so I would say a big fat no, any type of organization cant function outside context of high-trust White ethnostate they will just become vehicles of corruption and ethnic nepotism against the White natives.
It would precisely turn into "union that exclusively hires black people", even without unions it has already happened with jews and banking/finance/entertainment and jeets with tech, they just take it over and start to only hire themselves.

Why it works in a White ethnostate is because people are honest and used to honesty and it really doesnt even enter peoples minds to be corrupt because thats just not something that anyone does its kinda like when a White doctor sees a 4-year-old patient, he treats him and doesnt even think about raping him unlike the indian doctor.

>>524380880
>Good union? Teachers union.
Gr8b8m8

Good union? Private sector. Bad union? Public sector.

>>524381933
This. I have never seen more ungrateful employees than union workers with 10+ years of seniority. Mond you they have excellent benefits including fantastic insurance and a pension.

>>524381714
Do you not think that there are situations where a union can be something good?
Right now, due to (legal/illegal) immigration, we're in a labor surplus. This results in companies paying less to newer employees and having a lot more leeway when it comes to layoffs. Famously when there was a labor shortage, McDonald's, Wendy's, and some other places had job listings where they were offering to pay for college and offered a decently high wage (something like 2-5x minimum wage in some places).
When the employee is disadvantaged, isn't there some logic behind ensuring that they keep the upper hand, or should the zog free market be left alone?

>>524380756
>On the other hand, the companies often end up having to do layoffs because it's unsustainable or end up losing value.
You can't layoff union members to deal with union wages rising, that's part of the point of the union, they protect members from being fired like that. No union is dumb enough to make a deal that only says the wage goes up and not that they're not allowed to fire people to cut the costs that way.
>BUT UPS
They laid off non-union corporate employees, which just shows those employees should've been in a union.

>or end up losing value
Oh no! Shareholder Finklestein won't get as much money when he sells because the drivers are getting paid enough to live comfortable middle class lives! That sucks!

For as long as the people who own and run corporations insist on not being responsible for the health and wellbeing of their employees, their employees will have to pursue their own interests, and the best way to do that is collective bargaining via a union.

This whole "debate" just shows what whiny babies the c-suite can actually be. They're ready to play hardball with you, but then they go
>NO YOU CAN'T DO IT BACK

>>524381876
I was waiting for several packages.
I had my curtains open and the entire front of my house is basically windows
I watched the USP truck pull in front of my house
Nobody got out
Then it drove away
I got a notification later that they couldn't deliver my package

>>524380756
unions benefit the lazy and stupid. if you're actually intelligent and capable you are beholden to utter retards because they have seniority on you.

>>524380756
We had unions before the ultrarich and Jews brought in shitskins to devalue our labor. We also had a great economy and excellent working conditions with real benefits and early full retirement. That should say enough. The working class needs some way to compete with the rich ruling class. Without collective bargaining and refusal to work for unreasonable companies, we have nothing. We need organized labor unions.

>>524382092
Unions benefit those not in unions by raising the minimum baseline.

>>524382092
damn, that's so true. how much do you make a year?

>>524381064
This. As I put in the other post, unions are vital for fighting against corporations who are actually fighting you for every last dollar. Unions are not vital at all for fighting a government that tends to roll over on everything because it's not their money.

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>>524381611
And in fact when you talk about pushing their own interests instead of the collectives, I believe that when you import enough browns to destroy the social cohesion then the brown behaviour will ultimately seep into Whites too and destroy the entire society, like "why would I bother to be honest if all these browns do is scam and now I cant 'compete' with them as the jeets say because im the only honest one"

I like to think the shopping cart litmus test is the ultimate marker of the failing of society.
And I dont yet have any data for it since the first abandoned shopping cart in the parking lot I saw here was just a few years ago, but my presumption is that when the amount of browns increase and they just leave the shopping carts like they leave their garbage all around, ultimately the White will also see the shopping carts just strewn everywhere and wont bother returning his own.
Of course shopping car is not that big of a deal but I think its the perfect example that extrapolates to everything else in society too

That when you start to see shopping carts not get returned, the society is in a freefall and heading towards a crabs in the bucket every man for themselves india filth garbage low trust society

>>524382102
Also a mass deportation of brown people. Even without economic concerns they simply make civilization more ugly and less orderly.

>>524380756
UPS only hire experienced drivers who didn't stole shit that's why

>>524380756
Unions have layers.
...Wait.

>>524380880
>Starbucks Union bad
It’s not bad, it’s just stupid. The only leverage they have is public image. If they’re all fired and replaced, it makes the company look bad.

The largest issue facing labor unions (especially unskilled unions like coffee shop workers) is open borders. How in the holy fuck do these unions expect to have any leverage when they can be replaced with foreign scab laborers?

>>524382046
>You can't layoff union members to deal with union wages rising
You can, it was outlined in the UPS union deal. They were able to offer buyouts with a minimum of 10k and like 1.5k (I forget the exact number) for every year you've been working. They've laid off 46k people this year.
>They laid off non-union corporate employees, which just shows those employees should've been in a union.
"People who didn't advocate for their interests got fucked first." Obviously. People had to get laid off anyway because of the pay increases. If everyone was in the union, then either a) the layoffs would've happened anyway, or b) the negotiations would've resulted in less benefits for the union employees.
So, in essence, the union just got people kicked out who weren't in the union, creating a pretty uneven power dynamic. If they aren't careful, they'll crash and burn UPS fucking everyone over.

>>524380756
My only two experiences with unions are indirect. My grandfather was a union carpenter, always paid his dues. Ended up with a pension and insurance through them, don't know if it was worth it. He was ambivalent about them, and thought they were a bunch of greedy charlatans trying to use him and those like him for their own ends. But, he still belonged to the union... just the era he grew up in, I guess.

My brother was a dealer for a riverboat casino years ago. Good at it, I guess, but shitty pay and not many tips. The state passed a new law where a gambler could register as an addict, and if the casinos saw those people they had to turn them away. This happened 3-4 years after he started. New employees were trained, he wasn't. Oversight or something. Jackass came in, gambled, and complained later that he shouldn't've been allowed. Brother loses his job. Complains to the union that he was never trained. Walks into the meeting with the boss and the union rep (already sitting with the boss) with a big grin on his face. They produce paperwork with his alleged signature on it, ink still wet, showing that he had been trained. Looks nothing like his signature. He just says "fuck it, not worth it for $16/hr" or whatever it was he was getting at the time.

All in all, people have the right to negotiate, and if they can convince others to negotiate alongside them for better leverage, more power to them. That said, unions have little or even nothing to do with that ideal.

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>>524380756
The problem with unions is that they will always be organized and abused by power hungry Commies who incite employees to ever growing demands they otherwise would not have. The only "good example" of a union is the NTUC, the National Trades Union Congress in Singapore which is controlled by the ruling People's Action Party party and not by any Commies. Singapore would never have become such a success story with Commie controlled unions.

>>524382041
Unions make the economy inefficient which makes the cost of living rise. Americans have been fortunate to have a seemingly limitless amount of cheap labor overseas in the global south to keep the cost of living down, and hide the destructiveness of unions, to a degree. Plus unions are clearly criminal. I don't support criminality.

I can't imagine working some shitty job like starbucks and all the gay white hating faggots unionize. No fucking way I would ever join their union. And you know they're going to discriminate against me.

>>524380756
Unions are great if you've been in one for 30+ years. The first one I joined 25 years ago voted to keep higher pay for the old timers and put a wage cap on the younger guys. Quit caring and left not long after that. Company broke up the union 5 years later and replaced them all with literal ghetto nogs. They even built a new warehouse in one of the shittiest areas because most of the new workers didn't/weren't able to drive.

It can be nice to have an extra layer of protection but if a company wants to get rid of you, it's going to happen eventually. Unions aren't for you if you are a hard worker. You will get verbally abused and possibly physically if you work too hard. No matter how hard you work, you'll be making the same as a piece of shit that barely does anything. Merit based pay doesn't exist. De'ondrevious that shows up late all the time and fucks off on his phone will make the same as you. The old timer that hasn't worked in over a decade and instead sits around drinking coffee and or smoking all day will make more than you can ever dream of and probably even has a nice pension that you'll never see.

UPS had a great union but the company is chipping away at it. They just bought out thousands of old timer drivers and replaced them with younger workers that will never make anywhere near as much as the old timers did. Sucks but it's happening everywhere, union or not.

>>524380756
Unions are supposed to be a solid protection for normies against outsourcing and illegal mass immigration. It fails because Unions vote democrat so they love illegal mass immigration.

>>524381064
How can anyone side with tax dollars funding labor unions whose sole task is to extract MORE tax dollars?

>>524382427
>retard almost tripping over the realization that capitalism views a living wage as an inefficiency that must be corrected

>>524382494
>Unions aren't for you if you are a hard worker. You will get verbally abused and possibly physically if you work too hard. No matter how hard you work, you'll be making the same as a piece of shit that barely does anything.
This is my big problem with unions. I like the idea of collective bargining etc, uniting to be able to stand up for employee rights etc, but it just always turns into a shitfest where the union protects shitty employees but folds to management on everything else.

>>524380756
Unions have already achieved everything they needed to here in Europe so now they're just an extension of the left-wing parties, only existing to pay high wages to the union bosses and terrorize the government when right-wing parties win the popular vote

>>524381353
The package doesn't magically get assigned to a route and put on a truck, anon. There are normie workers in warehouses doing it that got their pay cut.

>>524381611
>>524382158
When you're not in an ethnostate unions won't even form in the first place. If unions didn't already exist as legacy from the early 20th century we wouldn't have any in America today. Those formed up between guys who had roughly the same heritage, living in the same neighborhoods, watching their kids play together and working at the same factory. That's what gave them the courage to work with each other to try to overpower the guy who owns the factory to earn a better future, the feeling that they had each other's backs due to deep connections. Shit doesn't exist anymore.

There's a ten year old article that in Amazon's internal documents, they specifically promoted ethnic diversity because it makes unions less likely to form.

>>524382427
> Unions make the economy inefficient
And they do it on a very fundamental level, preventing wealth to be generated in the first place. The damage they do can hardly be overestimated.

>>524382694
i don't give a shit, they should have been in a union. some inside workers are unionized. they also tried to make drivers work 70 hours max a week instead of 60. the union is necessary. driver still has the hardest job also

>>524382402
>>524382412
I think that greed is the ultimate issue when it comes to unions. They're advertised as some holistic good, when in reality they can become equally as corrupted as companies can.
>corporate corruption = paying CEOs and middle management retards a shit ton of money, while leaving little for the people who actually make stuff work
>union corruption = union president and his pals just make a ton of money, while the rest of the union workers fight for scraps. When something bad actually happens to an employee, nobody bothers fighting for it. Everyone becomes lazy. There's also the opposite, where everyone becomes reactionary and starts to schizo out at the slightest threat to the union's power.
Any form of organization can be corrupted. There's no way around that, at the end of the day.

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>>524380993
It’s shit for the students, not for the teachers

>>524382882
yeah ive seen all of the thomas "house nigger" sowell quotes. lynch every brown, make ALL immigration illegal, and confiscate all jewish assets before killing them for fun, and MAYBE i'll entertain the ridiculous notion of 'capitalism' working to benefit the everyman.

>>524382427
Austrian economics has been debunked. The capital accumulation doesn't result in a net benefit for the population. Hence visible homelessness and brown people everywhere. Your jewish theology is dead.

>>524382077
just has happened to me many times, the reason UPS gets paid more but they're also lazy useless pieces of shit is because they mostly hire teamsters who are known to be useless and lazy

>>524382295
Most unions and union members are libtarded and support democrats and open borders

>>524381643
That's not my experience with trade unions (pipe fitters, hvac, and electricians), at least in CA. They were always desperate for people, they would take on anyone as an apprentice. The only real nepotistic part was that you wouldn't get hours unless you were smart with a good work ethic, or you were connected. Even out of the connected people though, I saw lazy and dumb ones eventually get put on the out of work list and have to wait their turn for the top just to take the first shitty job that came along. Nepotism only gave you so many chances.

>>524380756
FedEx is dei trash, ups is as well but FedEx I have had a load of issues with random distribution centers stealing all my packages. Unironically usps is the best service.

>>524382791
I think I'm more of a fan of Nvidia's model.
Rather than unionize, workers receive a stake in the company. They get paid a salary on top of stocks. Workers are incentivized to work harder and make that stock more valuable, while the company keeps the executive functions which allow it to continue being successful. Works in everyone's interest.

>>524380880
Teacher's Unoins are the enemy of the public, a sponge for taxes and protector of bad practices. They exsist for themselves and no other

>>524380756
Does that idiot think your salary is determined by what type of car you're driving?

>>524382295
>It’s not bad, it’s just stupid. The only leverage they have is public image. If they’re all fired and replaced, it makes the company look bad.
Barista is not an unskilled job. It's not bad optics to replace that many workers, it's a literal fucking nightmare.

Starbucks isn't a franchise. You can't just say "sucks to suck" to the franchisee and let them sort the shit out. Every Starbucks is company-owned, and when you lose the people who know how to operate your machines and accommodate employees service suffers and your shareholders will crucify you.

>>524383142
equity compensation is largely a retarded scam if you don't work at a massive tech company that benefits from speculative bubbles, defense contracts, glownigger backdoors, millions of new browns getting internet access every day, etc.

my employer has an employee stock purchase plan and it's not worth it. the discount is like 5% and the holding period is 6-12 months.

>>524382976
You can't rebut his argument against minimum wage. You don't care if it's detrimental to the economy and the interests of many unemployed workers. You demand it anyway because for you it's just a power game.

They are antisemitic and need to be abolished immediately

>>524383341
No no we need to convince the Indians working for Amazon and Silicon Valley they need to unionize as they're being used as poolies, it's the only way to fight their colonial masters.

the ups vans in the uk, which are far too big for british streets, don't even have air con or radio lmao
what cucks

>>524383232
you're talking to a literal retard. starbucks is actually pretty elite as far as entry level jobs go. pay is decent and everyone gets access to health insurance, regardless of part time or full time status. they also have good tuition reimbursement policies iirc.

Here in AZ the unions have waiting lists to get on, and they don't even consider you unless you already have several years of experience, you pay a shitload of money to go to their "school" or you have someone already on the inside. Granted this was with my local IBEW, not sure what the other ones are like.

>>524383428
Does Starbucks count as an entry-level job? I'd sooner kill myself than prepare coffee to the specifications of middle-aged white women.

All I know is TWO DUOPOLY CARRIERS for a population of 340 plus MILLION is simply BS MALARKEY HOGWASH.
Theyre both tardy as hell and need FIERCE COMPETITION from MORE COMPETENT CARRIERS and COURIERS.

Break the FEDEX and UPS DUOPOLY. AMAZON please step up your game. We need more than 3 though.

>>524383079
>didn't quote link
>>524383520

I will go commit ritual sudoku now.

>>524380756
This $170k per year number is bullshit and includes "compensation for benefits" in that total. My work does the same shit and I actually make about half of what they claim.

>>524380756
I think on average they're good but they can also be very harmful. The paper industry union managed to royally fuck up things over here in Finland. Some of the most overpaid workers in the nation, which made sure no local or foreign company wanted to keep their business here after the "glory days" were over.

>>524383521
entry level in the sense of a high school or college age kid looking for a job. store/regional management probably makes good money.

>>524380756
All unions are poison. I hope every union member gets raped to death and their children get cancer.

>>524380756
I think they used to be a net positive but with internet and people more and more wanting something for nothing they've become a net negative
I'm ibew but even I've been to some areas in the country where things are run by shitters

>>524381643
>go to old man bar
>be friendly to obvious tradies
>drink a few beers with them
>ask what they do for a living
>so you are desperate for work and ask if you can get a referral for an apprenticeship
You'll be set for life. Just don't pick a really shitty trade.

>>524380756
FedEx laidoff Americans by the thousands and replaced them with H1B jeets, courtesy of their jeet CEO. Immigrant labor supresses wages.

>>524383790
>I'm ibew but
so why don't you quit the union and go work for mr. shekelberg, or start your own operation?

>>524383146

There is a reason the majority of successful unions are government jobs inefficiently spending tax dollars.

Forming a big union in government forcing higher spending just hurts everyone in society paying taxes.
Forming a union in the private sector hurts schlomo the manager, rajeet the ceo, and shekelberg the investor and board member.

Unions only work when targeting tax dollars. Ie the big powerful ones are Teachers, Law Enforcement, Prison Guards, Government Infrastructure maintainers like road maintenance and construction.

In the tax payer paid sector organizing into a union is met by bureaucratic officials following the law and not retaliating. In the private sector it means the next time you are 5 minutes late for work you get fired for something total unrelated to forming a union.

>>524383332
fuck that, Total White Racial Sovereignty. Everything else is academic until then.

>>524383882
because I work for the local utility. It's a lot better than crawling around houses and having my shit stolen by niggers

>>524380756
good for workers
bad for overall progress (progress = more tech = less employees)

net negative in today's world imo

>>524380756
Necessary evil. Companies will absolutely rape the shit out of you, if there's no union. Unfortunately, unions become corrupt almost immediately, demand more and more from the companies, shield morons from getting fired and the whole damned thing goes into a death-spiral. The US auto industry is an absolutely perfect example.

>>524381064
This is the problem with unions (other than dues and leadership corruption). They band together including the lowest common denominator which become essentially forever there until retirement. It makes a private sector job turn into the quality you’d come to expect from a public worker doing the bare minimum to secure their pension.

>>524381310
Seethe nigger. I use UPS over jeetex. Ifgaf if I have to pay more, nigger. Kys ranjesh

>dumb ass truck driver can't into economics
Go apply at UPS then, faggot. These people rather complain on the internet.

>>524384187
fix your bot. embarrassing

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>>524380756
Unions have to be local only or they become behemoths that really only exist to supply a mass of votes to lobbyist sockpuppets.

>>524380880
The teacher's union is unironically a prime example of a "bad" union since it is too big to fail, Starbucks is also a bad one because they are affiliated with larger unions, capitalizing on their size and name to grow their own union. For a union to be "good" they have to be isolated to their own state, they can't be reaching across state lines to affect law in another state and this part in-particular is why the teacher's union is an abomination needing to culled.

>>524380756
Unions keep companies from doing layoffs. Only peasant chuds are against unions

>>524380756
unions are based against piggy jews (ie libertarians)

>>524380756
Police unions work though

UPS drivers deliver tons more packages than a fed ex driver on a daily basis

>>524383232
>Barista is not an unskilled job
If you don't think barista is an unskilled job i wonder what you consider unskilled then :D

>>524380756
Private unions exist at the expense of those looking for employment.

Public unions exist at the expense of the taxpayer.

>>524382494
>because most of the new workers didn't/weren't able to drive.
how is that possible? i thought that in USA driving is pretty much considered a human right (based) and literal jeets get driving licenses there (not based)

>>524380880
Teachers union is dogshit.

>>524384106

The auto unions only exist because the US shields them from overseas competition with prohibitive bans, restrictions or taxes.
They do this because the industry is critical in war time for the production of war machines at scale and if you don't already have it in place you will have already lost the war before it is established from scratch and production ramped up.

The auto industry production lines and workforce can quickly be changed to making armored vehicles, drones, aircraft, missiles, etc at greater capacity than the industries specializing in those fields with a little expert assistance from people in those fields.

>>524384797
Finn has never had the displeasure of interacting with retarded 60iq niggers in America. It's proof of Christ they figured out how to walk, talk, and breathe.

>>524380756
UPS faggots keep upping their random fees and shipping price I'm starting to use usps and FedEx whenever possible now.

>>524384726
Coffee mcdonalds is not a skilled job, you're just regurgitating slop recipes with minor alterations for consumer preference.

>>524381097
this right here
i never have issues with UPS
if i see fedex as the shipper, i know i won't get the item and if i do, it'll be 3 weeks late

>>524384774
>Private unions exist at the expense of those looking for employment.
Company will hire the amount of people it needs to complete its function.
How does a private union affect the amount of people a company needs to function in any way?

>Public unions exist at the expense of the taxpayer.
Yeah public unions are much harder to defend. This is because in the public sector nobody is really looking out for the taxpayers money so nobody actively fights for the taxpayers so it can easily turn into a looting

Private unions are entirely different on the other hand, the shareholders will look out for their own money so for the companys interests and the employee union look out for employees and them duking it out should result in a satisfactory result for both, at least if both parties are doing their mission correctly working honestly and everyone involved is White, preferably White men

>>524380880
I can speak from some experience that the teacher's union is the worst.
>teacher rapes multiple retarded children over ten years
>gets caught in late 2019. On video.
>arrested
>Union actively defending him even though it's on fucking camera.
>March 2020
>COVID hoax happens
>Entire hearing process is thrown into disarray
>Union keeps using various tactics to delay delay delay the whole thing
>it's now like 6 years later
>All of the kids are grown, mentally handicapped, spread around the country
>witnesses are all gone or can't recall anything pertinent
>all that's left is this video which is bad by itself but all of the evidence is decayed at this point so the Union can reasonably argue it's "out of context"
>gets a plea deal for something like battery
>and right back in the school system he goes teaching middle school
Good luck kids too bad we don't give a shit about you apparently. He'll get caught again in a few years and it'll be a giant scandal for another person.

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>>524380756
>Redpill me on unions
They fight for you to make more money, which you then give them in union dues.
It's a jewish scam.

>>524385179
>the employee union look out for employees
In an ideal world, this would be the case. It quickly becomes "the senior employees look out for their friends, anyone else can kick sand."

>>524384922
I still don't understand why did you let jews give them guns.
And I don't mean I'm against 2A, not at all, its the final line of defense against a tyranny like UK where a foreign tribe has infiltrated the government and it no longer represents the interests of the free White men that founded it.
I mean that when 2A was signed to law a "citizen" meant a "free White person" so in effect it meant that free White men are allowed to bear arms. But then jews claimed that it retroactively applies to nonwhites too. That is not how laws usually work they dont apply retroactively.
In fact, it seems insane to me that members of a foreign tribe are allowed to be armed inside your tribal territory. It is literally unprecedented in the history of mankind, foreign tribes visiting port cities and trading hubs were made to check their weapons at the gate.

And I even got the stats to prove how stupid it was.
Since 1968, Blacks have killed 100,000 more Whites than Whites have Blacks in USA. That is more than the US combat casualties in 20-year Vietnam War, 20-year Afganistan war, 8-year Iraq War and 3-year Korean War COMBINED.
So why do you listen to jews? Shouldn't you revert to the original policy of 2A only applying to White people, as it should be?
It's clear that this experiment of arming non-whites has failed from the White perspective, only if your objective is to have Whites killed in the hands of nonwhites it could be deemed success. If that was the jewish objective, then they have indeed succeeded, but why listen to jews?

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>>524385517
forgot the pic

>>524384945
Yes I thought that was what I said, did I have an ESL moment or you? i dont see anything wrong in my sentence

>>524380756
Unions being like guilds makes sense. You get union work because it's guaranteed it's done right. Unions outside of shit like plumbing and electricianing don't make sense. What quality is a delivery driver union guaranteeing
>>524381237
Unions are literally the basis of communism

>>524385517
>I still don't understand why did you let jews give them guns.
They steal them. We just have so many guns. They get them from gun shows and retards keep selling them to them because they don't have to deal with the consequences. We also have a zog and nog in many cities, so it's pretty much impossible. Might as well ask "why did you let jews take over your government" lol. Nobody wants it.

>>524385640
>workers electing someone to negotiate on their aggregate behalf is LITERALLY the basis of communism

>>524380880
I think people are misunderstanding "Good" vs "Bad" in the context OP presented. The Teachers' Union is good insofar as a teacher you'd rather be in it than have it gone. It provides ridiculous job security and better pay/benefits.
It's "bad" in the sense that it definitely breeds corruption and the job security goes so far as to protect the lowest common denominator.
To tell the normal, well intended teachers to get rid of their own union is telling them to get rid of any bargaining leverage they have, get rid of their job security, lower their pay, and lessen their chances of receiving good benefits just to maybe get rid of a few retards at the bottom.

>>524385613
Maybe sarcasm was lost in translation.

>>524385517
Take your meds, finnazi

>>524384846
Kek just like in Russia where they quickly turned a bunch of bread factory lines into drone production ones

>>524385420
Yeah I briefly touched this on my earlier messages as long as we're talking about high-trust White ethnostate, but once the trust is out of the windows it becomes "every man for himself" which is antithesis of unions. And if people start to use unions to pursue their self interest well that just becomes a useless nest of corruption.

But when it does work as it used to provenly work here I think its great, in fact removing government red tape because the unions handled the discussions and not government.
It makes it easy for employee too because it someone elses job to do the fighting about benefits and shit so you dont have to worry about it
Id say it helps the companies too because the fights happen at set schedules every 2 years so the companies after making the deal can expect no surprises until time to make the new deal

You could make the libertarian argument that this removes the individual power of some employee going out and negotiating his own benefits and sick leave and childcare bonus whatever but in reality i dont think most people actually want to deal with any of that shit themselves and rather have some professional negotiator do it for them

>>524385908
or like when we made general motors manufacture ventilators during COVID.

>>524380880
No, jackass. No unions for government employees.

>>524386135
Why not?

>>524380756
jews hate unions, that should tell you everything you need to know.

>>524385640
>Unions are literally the basis of communism
Unions are people banding together to sell the one thing they have; their time. One person's unskilled labor is worth barely fucking anything.
An entire factory's worth of people is worth something. The hanging, persistent threat that if reasonable conditions are not met, the workers will cease all production entirely is simple bargaining and negotiation. If you want the collective labor of all these people, you have to come to an agreement.
If anything, labor unions really only make sense for unskilled labor. Skilled laborers are going to realistically be fine if their labor truly takes skill and expertise that no one can just do on a whim. But unskilled laborers on their own have next to no value. Most people on the planet are unskilled and are always going to be unskilled. Most jobs are jobs that can be taught with very minimal training or instruction. That's the way it is and the way it always has been.
Unskilled laborers HAVE to band together to sell their collective time because your only options are banding together and negotiating, leaving it in the hands of whatever company or corporation employs you to give you a fair wage/benefits, or relying on the government to set a wage for you and force the company into giving you what you want.
So that's it. You either pray the company treats you well or pray the goverment forces them. And since one will never happen and the other never works, all that's left is you and your coworkers negotiating against your employer, with the threat to cease all production should reasonable demands not be met.

>>524380756
In theory unions are great, in practice though.
>unions donate your dues to the major parties that hate you and want to replace you with foreign scabs
>teachers unions protect shitty teachers from getting fired
>police unions are pretty much the reason for qualified immunity, and get cops paid vacations for raping/killing/torturing (sometimes)innocent people
>all the auto/manufacturing unions rolled the fuck over when outsourcing kicked off so the union heads could protect their own pensions/retirements, and could keep wining and dining with low level politicians and businessmen.
>trade unions often protect absolutely worthless nepo babies and criminal retards over good workers.

>>524381310
I used FedEx this holiday season. Same box was 17 for FedEx 2 day and 36 for UPD ground which would have taken 4 days longer. I don’t really give a fuck about unions as I’m not retarded and can negotiate my own pay increases and keep myself employed. But it is clear every union company in the US is on a slow death spiral. Big three produce the worst cars now at the highest costs, UPS doing mass layoffs do deal with the extortion, etc.

>>524386481
>Big three produce the worst cars now at the highest costs
labor is a small % of the cost of the car. the people making american cars terrible aren't union wagies on the factory floor, they're VP level retards in engineering or design.

>>524381310
>support staff
Oh no not the poor hekkin useless office cucks who sit on their asses jacking off all day

>>524386442
>police unions are pretty much the reason for qualified immunity, and get cops paid vacations for raping/killing/torturing (sometimes)innocent people
Okay that's kinda based though

>>524382694
>The package doesn't magically get assigned to a route and put on a truck, anon
Apparently it does, or they wouldn't still be functioning without a significant portion of their former "support" staff.

>>524386589
I understand certain design flaws, I also grew up in big three territory. My neighbor before he lost his job got paid 90k to drive around a golf cart and put nitrile gloves at work stations while he would drink on the job. Go to a bar near an American auto plant after shift gets out, couldn’t pay me to drive one of those cars.

If labor had a negligible impact on costs, they wouldn’t all try to outsource.

>>524382412
Nigger never heard of Nordic state? Also The entirety of Europe is one way or another socialist. Also is US pays pensions or support corporations they are socialist too.

>>524382383
>They were able to offer buyouts with a minimum of 10k and like 1.5k (I forget the exact number) for every year you've been working.
Taking a buyout is not at all like being told to pack your shit and leave, good day sir. Fraudulent presentation here.

>>524386822
>If labor had a negligible impact on costs, they wouldn’t all try to outsource.
companies seek out any incremental cost saving, no matter how small.

>>524382694
Also, "support staff" isn't the guys in the warehouse loading trucks and printing labels and assigning routes, support staff is all the dweebs and faggots and women who sit around in offices all day doing sweet fuck all while collecting 100k+ salaries, and all the middle managers who sit around huffing their own farts all day.

>>524386974
>Taking a buyout is not at all like being told to pack your shit and leave
Still a layoff, they're reducing the amount of people working at the company. It's not in their best interest unless they're about to retire.

>>524383232
>pouring coffee and serving cheap slop foods made in a factory
>skilled labour
nigga please, there's a reason starbucks employs mostly teenage and early 20's women, and it's not because they're fucking skilled,

>>524381310
Half of that is the corporation refusing to treat its workers in good faith due to the inherent pressures of shareholders and profit, which is what forced workers to create unions in the first place. It's like a teacher letting you get bullied until you fight back and then blaming you for "starting" the fight.

Corporations always run the narrative that their exploitation and refusal to take less or chip in for the team is "normal," but when workers stand up for their own interests in the same way that's "extortion" or "killing the company." If they hadn't shattered trust between employer and employee in the first place, nobody would have even wanted a union. It's a trust problem and the management always breaks trust first.

>>524386366
>One person's unskilled labor
Which has nothing to do with unions

>>524385688
Don't forget, the CIA has been caught multiple times smuggling guns and drugs in and out of ghettos and inner cities.

>>524387272
>Half of that is the corporation refusing to treat its workers in good faith due to the inherent pressures of shareholders and profit
"Corporation hurt me, so I will run it to the ground." Crabs in a bucket mentality

>>524386697
It's based until you're getting robbed and the shit beaten out of you by sherriff billybob after having his deputy slip a bag of coke in your passenger seat when his body cam happened to be malfunctioning.

>>524380756
>fedex
It's because your boss is a street shitter who sees you as below his caste.

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>>524385640
>Unions are literally the basis of communism

>>524387463
Not a nigger, jeet, kike, or other brownoid variant. Literally don't care

>>524387626
cops arw one of the biggest killers of White people in the US anon, you should care. Cops kill whomever the fuck they want.

>>524387626
>>524387825
in fact, cops are more likely to be worse to Whites because the police academies are all run by ex-IDF jews.

>>524385297
>yearly raises
>pension
>lower benefit costs
>someone to go to other than HR roasties if you are being mistreated
>IT'S A JEWISH SCAM!!!
post nose

>>524386190
Because the job of an union is to protect its employees, not to help the employer (taxpayers).

>>524388294
I know, that's why they're necessary for all professions.

>>524388447
Unions are not necessary for every profession. Braindead take. Unions become necessary when there is some kind of constraint placed on the workers. Even then, they're often ineffective and implode within a few years. The best unions are local or regional, and temporary.
If a union exists too long, it becomes corrupt.
If a union is too big, it becomes corrupt and ineffective
This is exactly why they shouldn't exist in the public sector. Those jobs are kept for a long time by a lot of people. So they just ends up becoming corrupt and ineffective at the expense of the taxpayer.

>>524382882
>Dumb fucking retarded nazi nigger
Okay https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

>>524385062
FedEx left a package for my parents in the middle of a county road. It got clipped by a car.

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>>524380756
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>>524381097
fedex need those superior jeet drivers and box handler guys shut the fuck up racists.

>>524385640
>when a group of people pool their money and resources to buy a company or thing it's capitalism.
>when group of people pool their money and resources to get a better wage it's communism.

>>524380756
Im with the jews on this one, my tax dollars are being used to pay 46 dollars an hour for some nigger to drive a truck? Fuck off, bring in more jeets.

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>>524380756
My experience has been mixed. When I worked at a non-union grocery store and then a UFCW grocery store, there was a huge difference in how the employees were treated. As a result, there was a huge difference in employee turn over and work quality. At the non-union store (Winn-Dixie), employee theft was rampant and lots of merch was lost to employees just not giving a shit, like the time an entire pallet of frozen food had to be thrown away because someone let it sit out on the loading dock. Winn-Dixie, initially in the southeast, stretched as far west as New Mexico and as far north as Indiana. They had 1200 stores. Now they're shrinking down to just a few hundred in Florida and south Georgia.
Everything about the union store worked better and the prices were only a bit higher, with Winn-Dixie ending up with lots of money saved on labor costs being wasted on poor employee productivity.
On the other hand, there was a construction union in a town I lived in that would hire dozens of homeless to picket any construction site that hired contractors that weren't part of that specific union. They'd also line both sides of the sidewalk and harass passersby to the limit of the law because they thought people walking by would side with the union if harassed by an army of stinky homeless. The whole thing felt like a protection racket rather than a workers' rights organization. Seems like many unions end up like that, as de facto protection rackets rather than a group of workers banning together to improve their situation.

>>524390083
is that a lot of money to you or something?

UPS is fucking toast. Amazon eats them alive in every city they implement delivery. FexEx will live on scraps.

>>524380880
>>524380993
I worked for a high school as a student. Did computer work. They had a negress working there under the union. She got paid double what I was paid. The union also said she wasn't allowed to carry desktop PCs anywhere. She was a computer technician. So I had to carry them around for her.

Also she unironically was that greentext about Adobe flash. Once I was doing a support request and the guy asked if I could install Adobe flash while I was there. I did it and she had a bitch fit with the union for me doing her job apparently.

>>524380756
Everything in the damn world is trying to get you to work for no pay, except for a union. Every CEO and politician wants you to be a slave. You don't have to love everything about unions to realize they are the only thing you have to protect your ability to make a living wage.

UPS are the Teamsters. They provide pay raises for time in job.

>>524381310
UPS is still way better than NiggEx lol
FedEx consistently loses packages, damages packages and hires fucking retarded animals including one who forged my signature on a liquor delivery, didn't even ring the doorbell. I literally trust USPS over FedEx

>>524387429
So what, the workers should just accept the shit end of the deal so the owners can profit? Why isn't it ever on the owners to take an L to preserve the company?

>>524387072
Fraudulent presentation of facts that sounds like a rebuttal but isn't. Like I said already.

>>524390213
>The whole thing felt like a protection racket rather than a workers' rights organization. Seems like many unions end up like that, as de facto protection rackets rather than a group of workers banning together to improve their situation.
Yeah, this is the fatal flaw of unions. You can have a very successful business without a union. There are quite a few, I work for one myself. I have unlimited paid time off, annual raises, very generous bonuses, and I'm very well compensated for the work I actually do (I work in Tech, so most of it is just handling jira tickets lol). People in unions like to use jewish word magic to justify their existence. "We're protecting the deserving needy innocent helpless good hard worker who is incapable of wrong! Any rejection to this means you are an immoral evil greedy villain." They literally just spam words and hope for an emotional response. If a company does anything against them, they're a "union buster who hates the great working man." When, in reality, the "great working man" is a 60 year old who hasn't done actual work in 20 years and used his position to help his work buddies out. They will do anything to maintain their power, while criticizing the people who built the company of "greed."

>>524380756
Unions are always good in theory and always corrupt in practice due to human nature.

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>>524380756
Unions are bad. Once upon a time, unions stood for something, but that was a hundred years ago.

The carpenter's union built, an entire town, to house injured carpenters who couldn't work anymore.
now unions are all about greed and corruption.

>>524391063
Every system, including the business your employer runs, is a form of a protection racket. Why do you want corporations to have the ability to collectively organize but not workers? What do you think industry unions are?
>jews get to collectively organize but not you, goyim

>>524390997
Your argument is that "the responsibility is on the corporation because they should have treated their workers right in the first place. This means any retaliation from a union is acceptable, even if it means the company is killed"
This is a crabs in a bucket situation. The employees are willing to sink the ship and let every crab die than make compromises. They are greedy.
>so the owners can profit
Nothing inherently wrong with profiting.
>Why isn't it ever on the owners to take an L
It is on both sides, depending on the situation. Unions have a persistent issue where they keep asking the owner to take an L until the company implodes
>>524391054
>Fraudulent presentation of the facts
"UPS paid people to leave, therefore it's a layoff" kek
>>524391079
glad the fags agree too
>>524391339
>now unions are all about greed and corruption.
natural evolution

>>524382872
>i don't give a shit, they should have been in a union.
Anon, they are in a union. The same union. The union cut their jobs to pay for the drivers that the union prioritizes.

>>524380756
Unions are a way for communist jews to bankrupt a company by making ridiculous demands so capitalist jews can buy the company for pennies on the dollar.

Whether unions are a "net good" depends largely on your economic perspective. some argue they are essential for balancing the power dynamic between a single worker and a massive corporation.
By negotiating collectively, workers often secure a "union premium," earning significantly higher wages and better benefits than their non-union counterparts. This often creates a spillover effect where non-union companies raise their standards to remain competitive for talent. unions provide vital protections against arbitrary termination and serve as a mechanism for reporting safety violations without fear of retaliation, which can stabilize the lives of the working class and reduce overall wealth inequality.

critics point to market distortions that can arise from rigid labor contracts. High labor costs can lead to cost-push inflation, forcing companies to raise consumer prices. In a globalized economy, if union demands exceed a company’s profit margins, the firm may lose its competitive edge, leading to the very layoffs or outsourcing you mentioned. There is also the "insider-outsider" problem, where unions protect current members at the expense of younger or unemployed workers who find it harder to enter the market. contracts that prioritize seniority over merit can stifle innovation and frustrate high-performing employees.

The outcome often hinges on the union's structure and its relationship with management. While the risk of corruption or "labor racketeering" exists in any high-power institution, many modern systems aim for sustainability. the German model of co-determination, where union representatives sit on company boards, encourages a collaborative approach to long-term profitability. Ultimately, while unions can provide a path to a stable middle class, an adversarial or overly rigid approach can indeed threaten the viability of the industries they serve.

>>524380756
I think we are a couple years away from seeing things like unions ironically hiring low paid jeet labor so they can preserve boomer pensions

>>524380756
>Are unions a net good or net negative?

Don't judge them from a morality position or what they were or weren't in the past but look at them from a point of view from right now right here in a world where all the wealth in the last century has funnelled upwards into fewer and fewer hands.

>>524380756
There is nothing good about unions. They are nothing more than a phycology tool to coral employees with a false sense of leverage. This allows a company that should fail to continue on and even grow, all while it's slave champion the company in the name of the union.

>>524380756
unions r useless dogshit peddled by scam artists

fuck unions, this workerist culture is such a crock of shit

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>>524392054
liberation of the worker doesnt come from unions that are basically just the capitalists most prized dogs, go on a labour strike, sure, but it doesnt do shit, only negotiate ur serfdom, never free you

>>524380756
All public companies need to be unionized against for the health of the working class and preserve some semblance of class mobility. Corporate "law" forbids anything short of blatant maximized profiteering for shareholder returns (even if those investors are already positive ROI) and anyone that could reasonably challenge Dodge v Ford is already part of the investor class this having no reason to do so.

Government unions are cancer, and unionizing against private mom&pop businesses is suicide.

>>524382092
>if you're actually intelligent and capable you are beholden to utter retards because they have seniority on you
I applied to DHL and they are unionized. They told me I would have to "bid" on hours and it's all based on seniority. So all the old boomers and gen xers have a normal 9-5 Monday to Friday. Me as a young 2 year old at the time would be forced to work hours like midnight to 8AM Thursday to Monday. My "weekend" would be Tuesday and Wednesday. I would have to do this till I was 40 to get a chance at normal hours if I stayed. It's kinda disgusting because it's another way boomers fuck over the younger generation like I would not be able to start a family with those hours or see friends or family.

>>524385640
>unions are the basis of communism

Unions are the preventive measure to stop communism dumbass

>>524381064
Teachers union is the worst.
Young teachers get screwed out of their retirement investment, by the old farts.
Over 50% of young teachers get fired before they reach tenure, lose everything they paid in, it's a hundred billion dollar scam.

90% of the school board's budget goes to old teachers, a lot of it towards out of court settlements protecting pedophiles.

>>524380756
I worked as a non-union guy on union jobs. fucking nightmare dealing with them. they would damage equipment on holidays to get out of work. I got paid triple time, so it worked out. every holiday they would call us out when there was nothing wrong with the equipment. I guess hoping they would get sent home.

>>524381876
USPS is even worse in my area, people were waiting a month or more for packages earlier this year, and two or three weeks late this year. I ended up just buying my shit in stores again like its 1993.

The worst example of a union I can think of is the MTA union in NYC. They have an insane stranglehold on NYC where if they strike for a week they destroy the city so they get everything they demand. Every year they are insanely over budget. They burn so much over time. Small projects take decades. Every new feature they add is ass like they have multiple times tried to change the toll entrances to the trains because niggers hop over them and don't pay and nothing they do works. They raise the fair constantly. We have to keep introducing new taxes and fees to feed into them. This is the goal of every union in existence ultimately just suck people dry without a care.

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>>524392449
>but.... but.... they should have the right to negotiate!!!!
how do idiots defend this? At what point is it enough? It's like they never read "if you give a mouse a cookie." Say it with me:
>"he will ask for a glass of milk!"

>>524380756

unions are a commie plot. Once the infectious disease of communism enters your workforce, your industry is bound to collapse sooner rather than later.

>>524392583
no one is forcing you to join the union. if you want to let shekelstein gape your asshole, you're free to do so.

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>>524386227
>jews hate unions, that should tell you everything you need to know.
jews are usually the ones at the top of the union retard

>>524380756
We should start with a national union, i.e., no importing cheap labor. Whether legal or illegal.

>>524392449
>nooo how dare the wagies utilize the power they have to get paid what theyre worth this is incredibly heckin anti-semitic

>>524392622
this if you dont let mr shekelberg treat you like a slave youre a communist

>>524392765
>wagies deserve 10 gorrillion dollars for sending an email, kike!

>>524392659

>shekelstein
>unions extort fees for the sole purpose of lining their own pockets
who's the real jew here, anon?

>>524392841
how much do you make a year? like if you look at your last pay stub, how much have you made YTD gross?

>>524380756
The CEO of FedEx is a pajeet, that's why the company has gone to absolute shit lately.

>>524392449
Lol you're just a salty assmad bitch that's mad that working and middle class people organize to get paid well for making the trains run.
You have the exact same rights to organize for better pay at your workplace.

>>524392765
>i...i...its good that a bunch of niggers and jews extort an entire city while providing horrendous over priced service further punishing the middle class
can't wait till a pajeet steals your over priced job

>>524392841
yes wagies deserve to extort as much money of their employer as possible kike

>>524392944
>can't wait till a pajeet steals your over priced job
Kill yourself kike

>>524381310
Studebaker died because they couldn't compete with GM/Ford/Chrysler not different than AMC

>>524383535
USPS isn't terrible until they lose your package. Its a duopoly in most of the world tbqh.

>>524392449
The unions aren't the problem with MTA, its more the consultants and engineers that are complete fucking incompetent morons with next to no oversight. Ask anyone that has had to do construction work for the MTA, literally 20 engineers/supervisors/safety guys for every worker. And they love their last minute change orders, think multi-million dollars worth of work getting torn out because someone forgot to make it ADA compliant.

>>524380756
They are a bit of both because they require you pay the union so that they look out for your rights as an employee. This is all shit government should be doing. For instance, when you go look for a job today, even if it's a skilled job you're competing with effectively the whole fucking planet because we allow millions of work permits. This undercuts wages and is good for CEOs and board members but bad for American born employees.

You have to ask yourself if Americans matter more than corporate profits. The U.S. government has decided that yes, yes, they do.

>>524380756
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Always wondered why Fedex was shit.

>>524392944
>anti-unionist is a kike that wants to import jeets to replace you
damn what a shocker

>>524380756
>Why don't we
Because FedEx replaced 80% of it's workforce with jeets
Where is UPS union is a union specifically to protect American workers from being replaced just like that

>>524392883
>how much do you make
I live in one of the poorest areas of the country and net ~150k gross. I'm more than compensated by my company. I actually think I deserve less than what I'm getting lol. I abuse the fuck out of unlimited paid time off, I've taken 45 vacation days this year on top of being off for holidays, but they need me so it's chill.

>>524392935
>working and middle class people organize to get paid well for making the trains run.
It's mainly niggers and jews working in the MTA and their fees and taxes that raise every year are killing middle class workers you stupid overpaid nigger and the service gets worse and worse every year. My train stop was closed last year for routine 1 month service that took 6 months because they wanted to waste time and get more money. For half a year I had no access to my train stop nor do my kids who use it to get to school. Fuck off leach prating that the boomers on top start replacing you with jeets to keep their pensions

>>524392733
Organize to take it over then. You need to attend meetings and not be an autistic retard screaming when shit goes sideways.

>>524380880
>Good union? Teachers union.
This is literally the reason we had hoaxvid hysteria, including injecting infants, social distancing, shelter-in-place and all the chinese communist bullshit the teachers unions pushed. We lost a YEAR OF SCHOOLING and an ENTIRE GENERATION'S SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT because of teachers unions.

There are no good unions.

>>524393105
and your job is?

>>524393280
>dox yourself
nice try, glowie

They ok, just fucking chill and veg. No point in trying hard, everything will proceed like molasses, I just watch movie and read books, take naps all day, then maybe watch people work for a few hours then go home 45 minutes early everyday,not bad for quarter milly a year.

>>524393230
Teachers aren't demanding enough pay for putting up with niggers.
I must therefore invert your "bad union" into "bad union for the exact opposite reason."

>>524393005
>kike
>the one cheering the destruction of the entire middle class in a major city so a bunch of niggers and kikes can extort them is calling others a kike
kys leach

>>524393037
How is the union not the issue when they will not listen to any demands the mayor or governor requests and refuses to balance their budgets? The MTA treats themselves as a public union who doesn't give a fuck what people want because they are guaranteed tools and train fees the same way a public union gets tax dollars.

>>524393098
>pro union kike is pro destruction of the middle class as long as he gets more money than his low IQ deserves
you kikes are something. I can't wait till we hang you all

>>524393131
>organize and combat the only way people in NY can commute to their jobs
fucking retard

>>524393112
Assmad corpo jeetshill is assmad. You have the right to organize a union at your workplace just like everyone else. Again, you're just a salty bitch that is mad nobody likes you nor wants to work on a cooperative project with you. Get over yourself and touch grass.

>>524393316
$150k in an extremely LCOL area sounds like a larp unless you work remotely. i make the same amount of money as you, but i'm white collar and wfh.

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>>524392733
>jews are usually the ones at the top of the union

>>524393370
>it's good that a couple hundred niggers and kikes keep an entire city hostage and destroy the middle class entirely because my dumb ass needs to be paid way more than I deserve
I am so glad that you will be replaced with a jeet one day when your kike boomer superiors realize they can't bankroll their pensions anymore

>>524392741
80% of the United Auto Workers UAW members are in Korea.

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unions cease becoming a positive when power gets solidified and consolidated, just like all power structures
ask anyone who has worked a union job, it's always
>protects the most dogshit employee who deserves 100 times over to get fired
>rewards seniority positions who do literally nothing
>causes infinite grift and bloat
and if you had the luxury of working for a car company
>eventually bankrupts the entire thing because it's all so bloated and ceases to be profitable

>>524393349
Unions at a minimum promote the growth of working and middle class people of poverty. You are saying they destroy the middle class when actual IRL evidence refutes you. You are the actual kike here, kys.

>>524393349
The union isn't the problem when the capital projects run in the billions (think 2nd Ave Subway line costing $2.5 billion a mile). Every other city/state agency + transit system in the country has a union including LIRR and NJT.

>>524381237
/thread

>>524393383
It's a remote tech job, I mentioned earlier in the thread

>>524393570
still better than any non-union job, would you rather work for a union job or a non-union job?

>>524393610
>of poverty
Out of poverty, but either way, kill yourself

>>524393349
>oy vey goyim by not letting me extort you and treat you like a slave you are somehow destroying the middle class because.. because you just are okay???

>>524391641
even better, it proves you can't act with impunity as a union member. I support cutting chaff from the wheat to make the union stronger

>>524380880
Fuck public sector unions. They hold taxpayers hostage for more money and benefits that the vast majority of taxpayers could never dream of.

>>524393663
so you're the self hating kike making (what may as well be) $10 million for writing an email? i bet the locals in your "poorest area in the country" would love nothing more than to torture you to death with an acetylene torch.

>>524393754
>oy vey goyim paying me 200k a year is not enough! How else will I travel to Israel?

>>524387384
>Which has nothing to do with unions
Lol it has everything to do with unions. This is organized labor, organizing people to collectively demand better conditions and compensation or else they won't work. Assmad derailing shill is assmad.

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>>524381237
Unions are jews, dumbass

>>524393667
I've worked both, it's contingent on whether you work for a good company or a bad one
A medium-sized local business had 5 weeks PTO a year and guaranteed 7% raises minimum for all staff, as well as 100% healthcare coverage with no premium or deductable
A similar but larger-sized business was union and paid nominally more, but offered nothing else but the bare minimum in all other regards, because inevitably it boils down to money to the leadership, so I said fuck it and went back to my old company.

If you can't acknowledge that unions do wrong all the time, then you are too far down the cultural warpath to have an opinion worth heeding

>>524393610
Explain to me how they are helping the middle class when they force new taxes tolls and increased fares every year on the entire middle class of NYC? This is how brain dead you union kikes are you have no concept of the damage caused outside your bubble. We are now punished in NYC to drive into the city during the day with a "congestion tax" that punished middle class workers who have to drive in to work just because a union has so much bloat.

>>524393650
The city negotiates with the union. The union hires these retards and manages these projects. They are 100% the issue.

>>524393754
>you are somehow destroying the middle class because
because you are raising the entire cost of living to the middle class in NY. Every form of public transportation goes up. The tolls go up. Taxes go up. Fees go up. New taxes like the congestion tax get created. This all punishes the middle class kike. Why are you ignoring this?

>>524393837
>self hating kike
No, I just have respect for my employer who treats me well. Good company all around. Liking your job isn't slavery, nigger
>would love nothing more than to torture you to death with an acetylene torch.
I own 20 acres, bucko, I'll be in my bunker before they leave the driveway

>>524393926
In my experience, being a union member has been marginally better than not, but there's certainly problems with both paths. My primary gripe with the unions I've been in is the inordinate amount of time and effort they spend on saving the jobs of niggers who constantly show up to work drunk/high, fight at work, and steal.

>>524393926
>A medium-sized local business had 5 weeks PTO a year and guaranteed 7% raises minimum for all staff, as well as 100% healthcare coverage with no premium or deductable

max IQ to think anyone will believe this? 7% minimum raises would yield a doubling of income in 10 years.

>>524394126
That's certainly possible, but usually for a max of five years until a max pay rate is reached.

>>524394063
In NYC the last 5 years I have noticed getting other people's mail very often or my mail not being delivered at all and I have found more than once abandoned bags of mail thrown into a ditch. I have complained to the post offices but their unions protect these niggers who can't even look at an envelope that sags "3B" and put it in the corresponding mail box that says "3B". This apparently is good for me the middle class that I routinely miss my mail from union kikes in this thread

>>524393942
>The union hires these retards and manages these projects.

The "union" doesn't manage projects, that's these guys. The "union" doesn't bid on any projects either. Its all people with professional degrees and white collar jobs, lol.

https://www.mta.info/agency/construction-and-development

LIRR and NJT don't have these issues, why? Ditto every other city agency like DOT, DSNY, etc. MTA is ran by a bunch of retards.

>>524394298
dipshits like the anon you quoted refuse to believe this. they might read what you wrote, but it's in one ear and out the other. see also >>524386589

>>524393942
>Explain to me how they are helping the middle class when they force new taxes tolls and increased fares every year on the entire middle class of NYC?
They may have increased maintenance costs due to age of infrastructure, or to maintain scheduled service more people are needed, requiring longer hours or more people because of higher passenger throughput? More money now to keep things running and people vigilant for problems costs way less than delays caused by breakdowns.
You get what you pay for faggot.

>>524394298
Stop quoting the union. There is a board that assigns all these people that runs all these projects who usually are all nepo hires from top to bottom. What you are saying is like me hiring a drug dealer off the street to serve under me because I am friends with his father then he doesn't do his job and here you come saying the fault is on him and not me for knowing hiring someone shit just because I know his dad.

>>524394250
I spent time working in a factory in Detroit. Holy shit, some of them were barely human. I saw one bitch who genuinely looked like a gorilla go into a full blown fit because her supervisor had the audacity to ask her to get on her tugger and deliver her parts when she was busy eating Chinese food and watching Netflix on her tablet. She fell threw the cracks and spent a few weeks doing literally nothing every day because the black female supervisor let her get away with it. One day a new white supervisor came in and tried to make her do her job and it suddenly became a huge problem.
I saw other huge groups of blacks openly rolling blunts and throwing dice while their white coworkers actually worked. Many of them would sleep for 5-6 hours of their 8 hour shift, but nothing was ever said to them. Any mistake by a white employee would bring the fucking hammer down. Every person in management was black, hired by the retarded black HR department, and they made life extremely difficult for anyone not one of them.

>>524394416
>They may have
We don't know because they purposely keep their budgets muddled and refuse to balance it plus all their new projects always go on for months and years sometimes decades retard. The keyword is "may" because they never have proved they need this extra money with actual facts and paperwork retard

>>524394063
>My primary gripe with the unions I've been in is the inordinate amount of time and effort they spend on saving the jobs of niggers who constantly show up to work drunk/high, fight at work, and steal.
In my experience black people get less niggerish the better they get paid, usually because of union participation and ironically enough the more they have to deal with the ignorant niggerishness of their own people, which ironically enough comes with the territory of serving black people using public services.

>>524394661
To a point, yes. But it's a "You can take the X out of Y but you can't take the Y out of X" situation.

>>524382077
I've had this happen alot.

>>524394572
>We don't know because they purposely keep their budgets muddled and refuse to balance it plus all their new projects always go on for months and years sometimes decades retard
Lol state and municipal budgets are reconciled quarterly by auditors and have to be published by law, you are an assmad shill.

>>524393942
Some people are sheep. They can't make it through life without someone holding their hand.

Union guys told me I needed 9 years on the job to become a Master electrician, apprentice, journeyman... I passed the Master electrician test when I was 19, worked 3 years to meet the requirement for a contractor's license. I now have 7 trucks on the road. My guys make more in a month, than union electricians make in a year.

Sheep can't do anything on their own.
Unions hold you back, and treat you like slaves... and that's what some people are.

>>524394777
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2022/11/15/why-doesnt-the-mta-actually-tell-us-what-its-paying-for
kike

>>524394913
Unions exist just to make sure retards get paid more than they should at the cost of everyone else. There was a time where they had a use but that time is long over and will get worse as we get browner. Someone in this thread said it already but unions like with most high trust things work only in a 100% white country with no (((white people))) ruining them

>>524386822
Your neighbor making money isn't why Chrysler/GM/Ford uses the same shitty designs for years straight with no updates.

Union labor builds cars in Korea, Japan, and Germany. And all of the 3 countries have the same outsourcing problem because capital tries to undercut costs wherever possible. Look at the parts made in China and India from every automaker in the last 5 years

>>524394491
>A board that assigns these people

Yeah, they require you to have a engineering degree or similar. You cannot work at any of those state/city jobs at a white collar level without at least a bachelor's degree. Look at it yourself.

https://careers.mta.org/search/mta-construction-and-development/jobs/in

Never understood the nepo job arguments, MTA fucking sucks to work at and was begging my white ass to be a train conductor 4x after I took the exam in 2017. They have a very adversarial relationship between management and workers. Again, if you want to hear horror stories go talk to contractors that bid on MTA projects.

>>524395167
>changing the goal posts to something about degrees now which has nothing to do with what I said after he played dumb about who controls the union
I accept your concession kike

>>524387235
there is absolutely nothing skilled about delivering packages either.

i just did two months as a SSD for UPS (like gig work, delivered in my own car) and there is literally zero training. you show up, get packages, and deliver them using the app on your cell phone. it's insanely braindead simple.

the only "skill" is knowing all the tricks so you don't fuck yourself by having to deliver heavy shit up to a third story apartment, and making sure you don't finish early to ensure you get "muh overtime".

in the UPS contract, anything over 8 is OT, no matter how many or how few hours you've worked that week. also, a "6th day punch" is always OT, also regardless of how many hours you have worked.

then they lay off about half their labor force only to rehire them in sept/oct for peak season. you have to endure YEARS, possibly like 10, of low pay part time work (we're talking less than $20k here, so you've have to have another job) to even POSSIBLY make full time. to be a driver? loooooool, yeah until the boomers doing it die, you aren't getting a route.

same as USPS. they only hire niggers anyway.


>>524390384
amazon has ended their contract with USPS and UPS. when i was delivering for both, over 50% of my deliveries were amazon. USPS will go private and UPS will get fucked HARD when amazon goes to their full model, which is like 50/50 gig drivers using their own cars for the smaller stuff and the big trucks for the big shit. UPS bleeds money to boomer pensions.

>>524395266
>who controls the union

again, the mta union (twu) isn't the one issuing bids for any projects or setting specs/design. they're not even involved until after the project is completed because they're on the operations side

its mta construction and development, you can go work for them right now if you wanted to, go apply.

>>524391339
when i was working at USPS for a summer, during training they had this fake ass cowboy "muh union rep" come in and give us a big speech. he said "BACK BEFORE THE UNION IN 1955, THE MINIMUM WAGE FOR THIS JOB WAS LIKE $3 AN HOUR!"

i got out my inflation calculator and instantly determined that was more than today. like i said, the only ones who make money doing those jobs go REALLY FUCKING SLOW to exploit the hourly pay and use their union seniority (having 10 years is basically like a tenured professor. you can't really get fired, ever) to ensure they have a job.

imo, every labor job should be performance based. if i deliver 300 packages, and it only takes me 6 hours, i should make MORE than the guy next to me who delivers 180 packages, but it takes him 9.

UPS pays the slow guy more because he has 12 years seniority. that's literally how it works. performance based pay is the only thing that makes sense.

>>524395434
I accepted your concession kike we are good

>>524380756
Until Dodge v Ford is overturned and lobbying punishable by death, nothing matters. Unions in America somewhat protect you and negotiate on your behalf but have been gutted by our corrupt government and fallen to corruption themselves.

>>524395295
The issue UPS and Amazon have and I have only heard this from friends that worked with them is not that the work is hard but they have a ridiculous demand of x amount of deliveries you have to make in an hour or you get punished. My friend who delivers for Amazon said his supervisor will just randomly pop up in his tablet in a video call and demand to know why he is 3 deliveries shy of his quota. I could not deal with that

All you need to know..

Yes, Adolf Hitler abolished unions in 1933. On May 2, Nazi groups occupied union halls, and labor leaders were arrested. Trade unions were outlawed, and collective bargaining and the right to strike were abolished. 134

Hitler replaced the unions with the Nazi Party-controlled German Labor Front, which all workers had to join. 2

>>524392812
what you don't understand is that AS A LABOR UNIT, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BARGAIN. EVERYONE DOES.

all joining a union does is WAIVE YOUR RIGHT TO INDIVIDUALLY BARGAIN, IN FAVOR OF THE COLLECTIVE.

what this actually results in is now unless you are part of the majority (like "muh democracy") your opinion/decision/argument/grievance means absolutely nothing. if you are a good orator, have a good argument, in a non union shop/business, you can take your complaint to management, and if they are also not retarded, they might realize you have a good idea and implement, even if you don't really get credit for it.

but in a union shop, they will poll literally every other goon, and if you are in the 49% instead of the 51%, your good argument means absolutely jack shit. and then it's like police and shit, they weed out true individuals because the powers that be already IN THOSE UNIONS don't want to lose the power they have. so they red flag anyone who has intelligence and speaks their mind.

trust me, i've worked in both union and non union shops. it's ridiculous.

>>524393098
but what happens when your union is 60% jeets?