So I've posted about this before, but wanted to expand my thoughts. I am a former lesbian and I'm tired of the LGBT movement lying about the nature and causes of homosexuality & the effectiveness of conversion therapy.As a kid, I was a fairly athletic tomboy. I have a fraternal twin brother who I get along great with and I've never hated men as a gender. I was not a political lesbian (aka one of the ones who are highly performative and "rebelling against the Patriarchy" but still hook up with men from time to time). I had male friends, and had high quality men express interest in me, but found men unattractive and felt a strong sense of attraction to women. I also had stereotypically masculine interests from the time I was 5 years old. I also had two different teachers ask me if I was a "transboy." In my early 20s, I started an experiment where I went on hormone modulating substances (finasteride to lower DHT, low dose metformin, an herbal blend) and my attraction to women faded away over several months. I found myself solely into men. I had never experienced that before. There is a huge amount of evidence showing similar occurrences in other women with hormone problems. It's regularly discussed on PCOS subs: https://www.reddit.com/r/PCOS/s/v1nCByKW1HI am tired of how society & the LGBT movement lies about this. There is a clear attempt to cover up conversion stories or insist that the person in question was always "just bi and going through a new phase of the bisexual rollercoaster." They don't want people to know that conversion therapy has a roughly 50% chance of working in women. And, finally, the incels have a point. You have no idea how much easier it is being attracted to men. Dating men literally just requires you to take care if your body, look decent, and be their friend. That's it. My life is so much less dramatic now.
>>524391724all women are lesbos. Getting a dick up your ass is a different matter altogether.
>>524391724>Lesbians aren't real and I'm stupidWe know.
>>524391724Pretty sure this is copypasta. All gays are gay by choice
>>524391724do you like anal now?
>>524391724
>>524391987Faggot prolly posted it and immediately went to beat one off. >As a former lesbianSure, troon.
>>524391791No, lesbian spaces even have jokes about "fashion lesbians.">>524391990No and you shouldn't expect women to lile that. It's porn-brained.>>524391987>all gays are gay by choice No, not true. Some have altered in utero hormone exposure which creates a strong tendency towards homosexuality. In women it can often be changed by changing one's current hormones because our brains are more plastic, although it's likely there will always be some signs of mental masculinization.
>>524391724>>524392334glad you figured your shit out and have returned to just being a tomboyvital and precious resource constantly threatened in our current environment
>>524391724Its like we forgot that homosexuality is impossible to be a part of our DNA because that gene would have been bred out of us a thousand generations ago.
Lesbians are rarely lesbians. They want a hetero family structure a more masculine and feminine pairing, like penetration in sex often using toys, and overall just mimic a straight relationship.Except they are both hormonal women and so tend to be less stable, into more drama, and have the highest rates of domestic violence as a result.The feminists pushing it for a century were mostly jewish and ugly and I believe just resented not having the easy opportunities of a pretty barbie and so wanted to rally all women to give up those easy opportunities and hate men out of resentment and a motive to sabotage.Basicly incels of the female variety rallied all women to be as miserable as them and hate men.
>>524391724Based. There are also psychological forms of conversion therapy that have been shown to be effective, but those have been systematically suppressed as well. Your story also brings up the obvious question: if a biological man feels like a woman, why don't we give him male hormones instead of female? And vice versa for so-called "trans men?" It's the obvious solution, but you're a bigot if you even mention this. And none of this addresses the root causes of these hormonal problems, which involve nutrient deficiencies and exposure to environmental endocrine disruptors like phthalates.
Yea everyone with common sense understands that LGBT is a fetish freskshow. No sane man is attracted to feces and shit, its disgusting and should be treated as a public health issue
>>524392334I need yuo bby
>>524391791gas yourself
>>524391724You finally got brainwashed and ultimately submitted to The Patriarchy. During sex, you are being PENETRATED BY COCK, you are the one BEING FUCKED, by COCK.Now you are a GOOD OBEDIENT FUCKTOY for THE PATRIARCHY
>>524391724What percent of conversion therapies involve hormones to better align with biological sex? Are there government/medicare/etc-supported routes for that?
>>524391724Tits or gtfo.
>>524392830>Basicly incels of the female variety rallied all women to be as miserable as them and hate men.There is a whole branch of political lesbianism devoted to hating men. It's an identity centered on rejecting men. >>524392873>And none of this addresses the root causes of these hormonal problems, which involve nutrient deficiencies and exposure to environmental endocrine disruptors like phthalates.Exactly, people drink bottled water everyday and its full of phthalates (most common plastic used in food packaging is PET aka polyethylene tera-phthalate) and expect there to not be any problems.
>>524393964>What percent of conversion therapies involve hormones to better align with biological sex? Are there government/medicare/etc-supported routes for that?Almost none. Conversion therapy is basically non-existant in most US states. It's also banned in Germany for minors even when requested and no doctors will do it for adults. Most therapists willing to try it are "talking therapists" who won't give you a blood panel. You have to read old 80s studies and order drugs from IndiaMart if you want to do it to yourself.
>>524392334"No" is the only thing you say?? You seem to love to say "No" for a reason> The answer I probably get:No, everybody is a stupid piece of shit, that's all
>>524394328That's a shame, it seems logical that if one is going to engage in HRT replacement, that it is done to get a person closer to their biological sex than their personal psychological ideal
>>524391724Interesting story op thanks for sharing.I always suspected that from conversations with gay men that there was always an element of grooming/recruitment about being gay.They almost all have a story that goes like "I didn't even know I was gay till an older guy showed me"
>>524394344You can ask anything you like?>>524394427I think that in transmen / ftms a big part of what's needed is both hormonal correction (many have high DHT) and therapy for trauma. A huge portion of ftms have been severely bullied, sexually assaulted, are autistic, etc. but we're not supposed to talk about that.
>>524394808>You can ask anything you like?I don't understand this. If is a direct question to me, the answer is: yeah i can ask anything i like, for example: were hormones cheap or affordable??If it is some sort of shy invitation asking me to do some question, well, i just did... ehehehehe i really want to know if hormones are accessible
>>524394737My brother has always been blatantly gay since he was a little kid, I already knew back then.I'm not saying it's a good thing but he was born like that.
>>524394737I know a gay man who described being groomed as a teen and I know 2 gay women who were sexually assaulted at a young age after their parents got divorced and their moms got new boyfriends. I think that type of abuse is way more common than people realize bit it gets ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative.
>>524392334You CHOSE to kiss girls
>>524391724The other lesbians are right. you are just going through a phase. you will be going back to being a lesbo after a while (when you've hit the wall) and will probably prey on younger girls like all lesbians
>>524395865Nah, if she's enjoying getting piped on the reg, she's not going back. She already abhors the drama and abuse, so all she needs is physical attraction and it's the hetero way for the rest of time.
>>524394123You should read thisThe golden orchid society.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Orchid_Society?wprov=sfla1 In a part of china for almost 300 years women who rejected mirage and motherhood or were running from men were allowed to live there and take care of eachother. Some married eachother but it wasn't a requirement to be a lesbian. They were also beneficial for their textile work and alloed them financial stability.
>>524395328I went on a dht blocker and an anti diabetic medication that is used off label to treat high androgens in women. They were dirt cheap. I bought them on IndiaMart and they were shipped to the US in 2 weeks.>ehehehehe i really want to know if hormones are accessibleThere are literally same day hormone prescriptions at informed consent gender clinics in every US state.
>>524395343There are multiple causes of homosexuality and gay men & women are different. It's way harder for men to change their sexual preferences after they're about 13 / 14.
>>524396155He forgot to mention he was molesting his brother
>>524396006I doubt it. there are many retards who married lesbians and had kids with but when the bitch hits 35 she ruins his life and his kids' because she wants to eat pussy again
>>524391724Lesbos are just female incels who dont want to and cant have sex.
>>524391724>being such a headcade that you make larp posts like this
>>524391724>I have a fraternal twin brotherWow if that shit works for people who were fucked by hormones in the womb it will work for everyone.I know a guy with a fraternal twin sister. He's gay. Homosexuality is supposedly very common for them.
>>524391724I heard most lesbos when ovulating crave dick, is this true?
>>524391791You should know what happens to sodomists
>>524392334>Some have altered in utero hormone exposure which creates a strong tendency towards homosexualityEdward Dutton was talking about Penny Mordent (British female conservative politician with big tits, carried a large sword at some ceremony), how she has a twin brother who is gay because they are twins and because of that the gender hormones get messed up, it's pretty common apparently
>>524396871It depends on if they're a "biological lesbian" or political / fashion / trauma / fujoshi lesbian. If the issue is hormonal then you typically wont want to hook up with guys until you fix your hormones and your brain has 3 to 6 months to rewire itself
>>524396038Damn, so i guess even i could get some hormones...So my last question is, are you still taking hormones/drugs??? From your story i get the idea that you are currently a woman who dates men, but was it natural or you keep the hormones??
>>524391724maaam show bobs and vegene
>>524391724So have you ever licked snizz, OP?
>>524391724so you got electric shock therapy and that cured you of the gay? How dazzling!
Two Mexicans>>524396633>I know a guy with a fraternal twin sister. He's gay.>>524398075>Damn, so i guess even i could get some hormones...Kek
>>524396633>I know a guy with a fraternal twin sister. He's gay. Homosexuality is supposedly very common for them.>>524397649>she has a twin brother who is gay because they are twins and because of that the gender hormones get messed upYeah, it's disproportionately common. My brother is 100% straight, but a TON of mixed sex fraternals have odd quirks. There have even been studies showing women with twin brothers are more likely to have stereotypically masculine worldviews. I know another twin who I met when discussing politics and she is straight and very physically feminine but gets mistaken a lot for a guy online due to her typing style. >British female conservative politician with big titsUnusual breast sizes are common in girls with twin brothers. We tend to either be small chested or big chested. Sometimes we go into puberty later than our non-twin sisters. I have a younger sister who was big chested at 13 and I didnt have the same figure as her until I was 17. The same happened to another twin I know. When I went on anti-androgens, I had a second growth spurt in my chest. Similar things can happen in detrans women and there's a theory that spiking T levels causes E receptors in breast tissue to become over sensitive so once you drop your androgens you get bigger boobs.
>>524399113>I didnt have the same figure as her until I was 17. The same happened to another twin I know. When I went on anti-androgens, I had a second growth spurt in my chest.How interestingMay we see them?
>>524391791Female sexual attraction is different than male sexual attraction. Women are mainly turned on by their own hotness and slutiness. The only interest a woman has in a man sexually is how good he is at fucking her and making her feel like a hot slut. Women do experience what men would call sexual attraction but they only experience it toward women and a tiny percentage of "pretty" men. So I guess in a way all women are lesbian yes.
>>524398959Hahahahahaha i don't want hormones, mf. I'm just kinda surprised that they are so common. It also happened to me with weed. If you don't talk about it, it remains in the shadows but if you bring the topic, suddenly everybody smokes (or have smoked) weed and knows where to find it. Like "discovering" a new part of the world that it was always there
>>524391724Well, it was them worms wasn't it.
>>524399113Are you going to post anything worth a damn or not? post a picpreferably of your feet. If you don't then you're NOT straight
>>524391724i have 0 shame being a lesbo i got ftmed by forcefuck god lol
>>524395622>moms got new boyfriendsMy girl cousin in britain got abused because of divorce and her mom getting all kinds of boyfriends over. She's proclaimed gay and hates her mother. Although I believe your corrective therapy is a great idea, but psychologically correcting trauma by removing their means to cope will not work unless replaced.
>>524399113This happened to a girl I know. She went FTM and barely changed and went off T and now she has boobs like Alexandra Daddario.
>>524400839you realized life was easier as a woman right? jk good for you anon. fuck god in his jewish ass
what's weird about all of this stuff is that the origin of this discussion was a bout christianity which needed to be questioned before the attitudes we have about other places on earth namely like our jackass rambo crap attitudes so the rest of the world resolutely played the for real this time prank on us of forcing transgenderism so we recognize that diversity means people who are left or right of being straight more or less and that if they mixed the only thing that wouldn't really be weird about it is some common culture of sacrifices like less produced goods or less personal expenses on personal goodsum, yeah obviously down stream it just looks like adults are being wierd and shitbut irl this is something important to figure out because understanding conversion and gender is way easier than communicating about international trade and voting on it
>>524399113>E receptors in breast tissue to become over sensitive so once you drop your androgens you get bigger boobs.True, this is simply proven with tiddies getting bigger when pregnant. I do also believe that sexual gratification in women assists in hormonal regulation hence fucking a lesbo straight is akin to conversion therapy you're talking about.My ex used to have wild pimples and little bit of a darker mustache and many clear indications of hormonal imbalances. But when I plowed her good she started 'glowing' from sex. Her mustache almost dissapeared, her pimples vanished, her bum and boobs grew a little more plump. She also suddenly acted very feminine around me.
>>524391724>licksnizzyou know the rules
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>>524401815>True, this is simply proven with tiddies getting bigger when pregnant.They grow during pregnancy due to prolactin increasing while E is still high.>I do also believe that sexual gratification in women assists in hormonal regulation hence fucking a lesbo straight is akin to conversion therapy you're talking about.Wouldn't surprise me if there were some truth to this, especially in mild cases. A lot of "bi girls" grow out of it once they get boyfriends.>My ex used to have wild pimples and little bit of a darker mustache and many clear indications of hormonal imbalances. But when I plowed her good she started 'glowing' from sex. Her mustache almost dissapeared, her pimples vanished, Did she go on birth control pills? Did she have a masculinity 2d4d ratio?
>>524391724>hormone modulating substances (finasteride to lower DHT, low dose metformin, an herbal blend) and my attraction to women faded away over several months. I found myself solely into menwait did /pol/ lie to me that fags are caused by ass worms and cured with horse paste? theyre actually caused by hormonal imbalance and cured by hormone therapy?
>>524402589this conversation is inappropriate for the 40% incel population herebut sure reddit is now as toxic just through silence if nothing else as 4china so
i actually just came to the thread for more tomboy pictures. i gotta say i'm pretty disapointed. /pol/ is a lot like that these days unfortunately.
>>524391724Interesting, thanks for sharing Anon.
>>524402811its always been like this faggot. there has never been once where "tits or gtfo" has ever worked
>>524391724>tldr female homosexuality is a lie I already knew that. Go away you skank.
>>524402589>birth control pillsHighly doubt, she was constantly begging me for kids but I wasn't ready so always pulled out and wiped the kids clean.>Did she have a masculinity 2d4d ratio?Dunno, her hands were just smaller than mine is all I remember. She was though academically inclined and told me she was celibate and hasn't masturbated since her ex from 2years before me. Which is hard for me to grasp that someone can't masturbate at all. She is also religiously fanatic. So I suppose not taking care of business can lead to horminal imbalances. Which I believe tomboys suffer, high athleticism and busybody lives but no sexual regulation. Did you masturbate regularly when you were a lesbian?
>>524402946>nooooo i'm an election tourist>let me tell you what it's always been like
>>524391724Show snizz
>>524391724There's so much to be said about the psycho-active properties of hormones and hormone imbalances, along with the effects of child sexual abuse, rape, and other tragedies. The bigger lie altogether is that homosexuality and any other deviation from heterosexual conduct for the purpose of procreation are either deviencies or defects altogether. Sometimes it can be fixed with a hormonal rebalance, other times need more therapy and psychiatry. Either way, the LGBTQAI21468vgjndt+ instead indulge further in their psychosis. God help us all
>>524391724I believe most men prefer bi women. Every guy has a fantasy of his wife eating pussy in front of him. So for you having experience in it but still want to have kids and a family, makes you more wanted. If you're a good looking tomboy that's even hotter. And because of these qualities you likely get along with most men far better than the average straight girl. Just be yourself and it will work itself out.
Why doesn't China, Russia or some heckin based country tell the whole world about this conversion method? Why does the whole world keep it a secret, and you need to travel to a ranch in Utah to find it?
>>524392750>What is kin selection?
>>524392873Yeah oh wow brilliant no one ever thought of that before! Fucking moron. You think a trans person never tried testosterone and found out it doesn't work? Brain damaged rightoid.
>>524403242>election tourist holy shit you are ancient. wont you die already
>>524391922Why are right wing brain damaged freaks this gullible?
>>524391987Maybe in your head.
>>524391724A few questions:1) what prompted you to want to experiment with your hormones?2) did you get your hormone levels checked before you started messing with them?3) what times (if ever) were you on the birth control pill and did your sexual preferences change before, during, and after being on the pill?4) have you talked to any lesbians or "bisexuals" about your journey? how much vitriol did they spew at you?5) are you single?
>>524391990Of course. Everything in the world revolves around penis, haven't you heard?
>>524392001Kek
>>524392106/pol/ will always fall for such a larper.
>>524392334>porn-brainedYou misspelled "has a libido".
>>524392409You're "glad" someone is suffocating themselves? What's wrong with you?
>>524392830Yep everything is da jooooos. They made my wife leave me even.
>>524392936Most people think you're a hateful, bizarre freak, actually. Whatever helps you sleep though.
>>524393116Most Nazis are pedophiles.
Does this>>524393181sound like a well adjusted person to anyone else?
>>524393964It's been tried for a long time and doesn't work. You can get people to temporarily claim it worked on them, until they go "ex-ex-gay". Doesn't actually work.
>>524394104"She" would just post some AI bullshit. Usual roleplayer.
>>524394123It's not devoted to hating men, it's devoted to not relying on them. Kind of undermined you when you straw man people.
>>524404276>>524404313>>524404338
>>524404183>1) what prompted you to want to experiment with your hormones?I was unhappy with my life, my health, and the direction I was in.>2) did you get your hormone levels checked before you started messing with them?Yes, my E and P were normal but I had high DHT for a woman. I didn't have any hair loss though, so you wouldn't know it from my appearance. I had my DHT retested and it is now normal. >3) what times (if ever) were you on the birth control pill and did your sexual preferences change before, during, and after being on the pill?I tried going on the pill as a teen to get rid of acne, I was on it for 6 months. It did not change my sexual preferences.>4) have you talked to any lesbians or "bisexuals" about your journey? how much vitriol did they spew at you?I've mentioned it, most of them just insist I was always bi and am now going through a phase. A few get rude. Straight women are shockingly nice and super curious. Some basically treat me like the girl who needs to be taught normal woman stuff and given various pieces of advice. I once had an older woman give me a hug when I told her and say she was happy for me. The people who have been the worst have been internet trannies.>5) are you single?I have a boyfriend and I love him. It's the healthiest relationship I've ever been in.
>>524394328Sounds fake, and like something that'd make you fat. Taking random jeet pills kek. Are you on a VPN shilling your wares, Rajeesh?
>>524404629Switching VPNs to save your quick-e-mart boner pill shilling, Ranjeet?
>>524394344OP is an Indian dude on a VPN shilling boner pills on his sketchy internet store. Of course he doesn't know English.
>>524394427I can't think of anything better to aspire towards than becoming more boring and basic!
>>524394737Why are you replying to yourself?
>>524394808That was already tried and didn't work. But hey, you've got to sell your internet pills right Pajeet? Kek
>>524395328Wow such an organic reply to the Indian pill seller on a VPN.
>>524404873Imagine actually having to have a personality aside from your sexuality! How terrible that would be if faggots and tranny faggots couldn't just exist on being a faggot.
>>524395343Well yeah but see, we should ignore that, because Ranjeet needs to sell his knockoff finasteride pills.
>>524395622Wow, women get sexually harassed sometimes. You've broken new earth. No one ever heard that before.
>>524395853That how it works in your village?
>>524395865Is having a normal relationship really "predatory"?
>>524396006"The hetero way", famously drama-free. Right?
>>524396038Wow and let me guess, next you're gonna pitch some bumfuck online Indian shop you had to buy one of your miracle pills from.
>>524404641ID change?...
>>524396155But I thought you were old enough to use this website, Ranjeet?
>>524405005Do you ever go a sentence without dropping a slur, or is being boring just something you perform hourly?
>>524396214What an odd thing to say randomly.
>>524396283Kek don't warn them. It's funnier this way.
>>524396399That's not even a thing. I bet you even know this isn't a thing, and will be making your next post about "gynocentrism" and how easily women get sex, soon.
>>524396453Yep, but he's got to shill his boner pills kek. Or anti boner pills incidentally.
>>524396633So it goes.
>>524396871Nope, in fact they crave women even more. You could try reading scientific journals instead of Xitter shitposts.
it really depends on the kind of lesbian you are. There are some who are really bisexual and do it if for fun, or their are lesbians who do it out of convenience ie prison or trama by males. Natural lesbians dont change no matter what.
>>524397227Why don't you look up what Ezekiel said about what the "sin of Sodom" really was?
>>524397649That's how it goes.
>>524397711Did Vishnu tell you all that?
>>524398075If you couldn't tell, he's the one selling them to you from his Indian village. Kek.
>>524405210no its not normal and thats why its predatory. afraid so>>524405473thats not funny although the retards deserve it but still
>>524398874Sounds retarded, doesn't it?
>>524399113You write this with chatgpt?
>>524399485No, he's a larper selling his pills.
>>524399854I see you have a PhD in whores.
>>524391791Israeli is right here, 100%, and succinct.
>>524400133No, but you're free to imagine so.
>>524400310Of course the fuck not.
>>524400839They get very angry when you refuse to buy their fake pills and suffocate your identity for their dead cause.
>>524400840It's actually an awful idea.
>>524401252And then everyone clapped.
>>524405943FINE! i didnt really want them anyway
>>524405323Yes, I was at my parents earlier and now traveling home.>>524405473It's obvious this poster is just commenting obsessively to push the thread past the limit. Typical self-absorbed bs.
>>524406351Uh huh. Or more likely story, you're hopping VPNs because you're an Indian shilling your online pill store.
