During a period of time, you didnt exist, then suddenly, you existed...You spawned into the world, immediately becoming subject to time. With every tick of the clock, every perfectly synchronized rising and setting of the sun, you move forward in this time, growing old against your will. You will remain subject to time for as long as you exist here.Point being, you exist, you are here. Does this mean that you atheists believe that during the timeless eternity of your non-existence, something happened in your non-existing non-universe causing the non-existing universe to suddenly become existing, and then poof, you were magically sucked into that universe from your state of non-existince, causing you, who never existed, to suddenly become trapped inside a thing called time, inside a world that was already in existence during your timeless non-existence...and all of this happened by... random chance and therefore God cannot exist because God existing would be supernatural or crazy, but you existing instead somehow isn't?
>>524465830No no, you're right, it must be a magical sky grandfather instead. Brilliant thinking.
>>524465961An intelligent skydaddy creating the world as opposed to... the magical sky fart accidentally doing it?
>>524465830>There's some volcano god on Sinai>...>...>...>I exist
>>524466068Here's a little hint: just because you can't imagine it doesn't mean it's not real.
>>524465830You religious people are like children constantly asking meaningless WHY WHY WHY questions. Who fucking cares why we exist dude. We just do. God clearly doesn't want us to know the meaning of life and existence. If God did it would communicate with us directly, not with stupid fictional tales written down by primitive desert people.
>>524466114Which one can you imagine more, an intelligent skydaddy creating the world with intention, reason and purpose... or the non-intelligent skyfart creating the world by accident?
>>524466489Why are you obsessed with farts?
>>524466606Concession accepted.
>>524466068Why do you retards eternally misrepresent what the big bang is. Its not an explanation for existence, and its not a creation event. The big bang simply states that the universe was in a hot dense state in the past, it has no opinion on anything before or how it got into that state.
>>524466642You understand that magic is not real, right? Still not exactly sure where you're getting "fart" from.
>>524466735Oh its fine for you to misrepresent what theists believe with skydaddy, but I can't say skyfart as a response?
>>524465830i don't know that and i know that you don't know that either /thread
>>524466956I just don't understand what consciousness has to do with farting.
>>524466809Creating something isn't doing magic but you know what is magic? Nothing existing then suddenly something existing and farting everything else out into existence. Now that is beyond worse than magic. This is Harry Potter level stuff atheists believe in.And just because you cant imagine it doesnt mean it isnt true :^)
>>524467184>And just because you cant imagine it doesnt mean it isnt trueI can very easily imagine magic. It doesn't take much imagination. Just snap your fingers and whatever you want happens.
>>524467184By the way I gotta go but I honestly feel bad for you unless you're trolling.
>>524467307Your concession is accepted a second time. You are dismissed, goodbye.
>>524465830I'm not here. I'm a symptom of your mental illness
>>524465830Atheists don't know what was before the big bang and any that claim they know are just morons. Just because they don't know doesn't mean there isn't an answer.>Random chanceThis is the issue cristfags cannot overcome. They have to believe that science has determined random chance was the cause of everything, which just isn't true at all.If you want to believe a bearded space man who demands you don't masturbate is the creator of everything you go right ahead and think that. No one but you cares. I would ask that you factor in the scale of the universe, all the galaxies, all the planets, everything in to your perception. Because the bearded prude put a lot of effort in to the universe only for one small blue green speck to be at the center of it all...
>>524467461>bearded space manAnd there it is!
>>524467535lol.That's not an argument.
>>524467593Your argument was "we dont know what preceded the big skyfart"Here's a hint nothing preceded it because your skyfart is supposed to mark the beginning of time. The only thing that could possibly precede time is a timeless time creator aka God. I know who my God is. Your god is simply a fart that you don't know much about.
>>524467948>I know who my God isNo you don't, unless you have personally witnessed a miracle, you don't know jack shit. Being overly confident about your non-existent "knowledge" isn't the flex you think it is. The only way to confirm God's existence is with direct evidence of a divine miracle.
>>524465830Theists don’t have a good answer for this either. Using the word “god” without offering any explanation or evidence doesn’t get you anywhere. Theists have nothing on atheists when it comes to this question.
>>524467593The Bible states quite clearly He is an invisible being, He has the appearance of wind, however He can wear clothes and produce physical phenomenon.You’re a nigger
Proof that the Bible is the word of God:fcbaptist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Bible-proof.pdfhttps://truthischrist.com/seven/1 Corin 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc1 John 5:7: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."Romans 3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”Jesus Christ is God who has come in the flesh from heaven. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sin. He was buried, then resurrected and then ascended to heaven. John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 10:28: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." Rom 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."God wants to forgive you, but you have a choice: Do you choose the righteousness of God by receiving Christ? Your own righteousness can NEVER justify you or keep you saved because of your sin. Rom 5:9: “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in His finished blood atonement. The gift of salvation can't be earned. Confess The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in prayer, that you trust in Him and believe He atoned for your sins on the cross.Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
>>524465830> During a period of time, you didnt exist,How do you even know this? I might just not remember my previous existence.All your speculation has to stop right at this point. If you go beyond you are lying to yourself and others.
>>524468753>The Bible states...Yeah, no.>>524467948>The only thing that could possibly precede time is a timeless time creator aka GodAre you certain of that?You don't know what was before the big bang, until you can tell me then every answer you come up with is pointless. Why are you so afraid of saying 'I don't know'. You would rather be comforted by a lie thats thousands of years old rather than hear someone state the truth, that neither you or I know the answer.
>>524465830what god?
HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!
>>524465830none of that requires supernatural deities
>>524467184>This is Harry Potter level stuff atheists believe in.No it's not. This is a lie that theists tell about atheists because theists are dishonest. They fall for lies and spread lies.Not believing in any gods has nothing to do with any unrelated math or science.Anyone who passed middle school science should know that the scope of the Inflationary Theory of the Cosmos begins at the point the universe *begins expanding*. It does not make any claims about what have been before.If you wanted honest answers to your science questions, you'd ask a scientist. Since you're not honest, you tell lies about atheists. This is why I'm glad I have nothing to do with any religion.
>>524465830idkhow does god even exist? impossible challenge: without invoking the doctrine of man
>>524465830Agnostic here, most likely consciousness or god if you want is the base state of things it was always there the source or whatever there has never been a time this thing hasnt existed. What this thing is is essentially a collection of rules like the laws of physics that facillitate consciousness. When consciousness looks at the rules "the material world" it grants it reason to exist. Because without life matter can only exist at the first basal dimension. To call it god or source or just the universal alghorhythm whatever it is, it most likely does exist. But whether that means jesus is real or just an indivuated soul, or whether christianity islam or buddhism or any other system is real, theres no real proof of that. The god above gods has existed long before humans and their idea of god. The keystone of reality it governs its laws and glues it all together, laws that create electricity, gold, water, time and by doing so facillitates the experiencer (you!). We are placed in a crude reality in which conscious beings consume eachother all so they can keep experiencing the reality over someone else experiencing the reality. If god was morally good idk if he would design it that way, if anything god is incredibly pragmatic and really loves procedural systems that keeps itself in motion giving and taking. The way the system is in place is so perfectly made by these laws that with no intervention of an active god it can exist and maintain for essentially forever. So then were is god? Perhaps we are all just sharts of him, thats why the system works the way it does so its automated and he can experience to give itself the reality meaning
