Trump's Foreign Aid Cuts Have Already Killed More People Than The Iraq War.The projected death toll is well over one millionIn the earlier part of the year, there was a flurry of media coverage about Trump’s foreign aid cuts. After an initial failed attempt to vaporize nearly all of foreign aid, the programs shambled on, zombie-like, with diminished functionality. Things were constantly changing. The legal status of the foreign aid cuts were in constant limbo, and it was very difficult to keep track all the things going on. Well, now that the cuts have receded from the headlines, the results are in.Millions of extra people are dead, unnecessarily.Or so say the estimates of Charles Kenny and Justin Sandefur, two leading experts at the Center for Global Development. https://www.cgdev.org/blog/update-lives-lost-usaid-cuts They estimate both lives lost due to outlays (current spending that’s been terminated) and obligations (commitments to future spending that were axed). They conclude that outlay cuts have cost between half a million and a million lives, and that cuts to obligations have cost between 670 thousand and 1.6 million lives. The situation, they conclude, looks even worse than it did in June.Now, one could quibble with the exact numbers, but something in this ballpark is likely correct. Foreign aid saves about 3 million lives a year, and was at a high-point in 2024. https://www.cgdev.org/blog/how-many-lives-does-us-foreign-aid-save Trump reducing foreign aid’s functionality in 2025 by 1/6 seems pretty conservative, and yet that means that it will induce an extra ~500,000 deaths immediately. Given cancellation of future contracts, it’s not at all surprising that the cuts have a projected future death toll of millions more.
>>524470570We have the military for them when they grow up Not seeing the problem here
>>524470570This should be in the headlines every single day. If we average out the two estimates and ignore the termination of obligations, we get a death toll of 750,000. That is 2,000 deaths, every day, for a whole year. That is the equivalent of four boeing 747’s crashing daily, leaving no survivors.It is more deaths than were caused by the Iraq war. It would be like a big college lecture hall full of people being systematically exterminated every single hour, for a year—and that is not even counting the deaths lost from the terminated contracts. The Rwandan genocide, perhaps the single most grisly atrocity of the last 40 years, didn’t even leave that many dead. It’s about the number of Americans who die annually from heart disease. And remember: if we count terminated obligations, things are more than twice as bad.And what justified this unimaginable carnage? The answer is that the Trump administration did not want to continue spending less than 1% of the budget saving millions of lives. The administration was predictably willing to enact a policy that would predictably lead to thousands of people dying every day, many of them children, because it did not want to spend a tiny slice of the budget keeping them alive.
>>524470657Why did this happen? Why are these extra people dead? The answer is that a relatively small number of high-level political operatives sat in air-conditioned rooms in Washington and decided to cause millions of deaths. They concluded that, because foreign children with horrific diseases do not vote and most Americans don’t know much about foreign aid, it would be best for their political career to axe lifesaving programs. Most probably knew that millions could die. Others didn’t bother to check.There is a common idea that Democrats should stop talking so much about foreign aid. It’s one of the few bits of federal spending that isn’t popular, so instead Democrats should talk about popular spending items. This is both politically and morally wrong.It is politically wrong because, though Americans don’t like foreign aid, they are totally misinformed about it. They think it takes up a much larger portion of the budget than it does. They don’t know that it takes up less than 1% of the budget and saves millions of lives. It is easy to campaign on “spend less than 1% of the budget to save millions of lives.” About 95% of Americans support a higher level of foreign aid spending than we have currently; https://www.oxfamamerica.org/explore/issues/making-foreign-aid-work/what-do-trumps-proposed-foreign-aid-cuts-mean/ they just think we spend way more than we do. And most Americans don’t support Trump’s extreme foreign aid cuts. https://www.oxfamamerica.org/explore/issues/making-foreign-aid-work/what-do-trumps-proposed-foreign-aid-cuts-mean/
>>524470570I voted for this.
>>524470570Nope. It's not America's fault these niggers and muslims can't govern themselves.
STFU USAID TRANNY.Tax payers want no part in your CIA liberal bullshitEvery last one of you should be skinned alive.
>>524470721Americans aren’t ghouls. People care a lot about, say, the war in Ukraine. The foreign aid cuts have caused more deaths this year than all the deaths in the Russia-Ukraine war. Most people would support spending a tiny fraction of the budget to end the Ukraine war. Foreign aid is a better bet than that! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_warDemocrats neglecting foreign aid is morally wrong because foreign aid is the best thing the government does. I’d guess more good is done by the 1% of the budget spent on foreign aid than the approximately two-thirds of the budget spent on entitlements. Foreign aid cuts are not like compromises on other unpopular positions; moderating on trans sports does not leave a million extra people dead.And while one often hears the canard that “a nation should solely represent its own interests,” few people actually believe it. Most people think part of the reason it was good to intervene in world war two is that it prevented lots of people from dying unnecessarily. Even if the Nazis had stayed in Europe, it was worth paying a cost to prevent a sizeable segment of the world from descending into tyranny, genocide, and madness. Similarly, Bill Clinton’s failure to do anything about Rwanda, even as women were being raped in front of their husbands and teenagers were being hacked to death with machetes, is frequently considered one of the central failures of his presidency.People additionally tend to think that it’s wrong to actively harm foreigners, even if we have no obligation to benefit them. But as Kelsey Piper notes, if you abruptly shut off medicine, without giving people the opportunity to find an alternative provider, what you have done is more like killing than letting die. https://x.com/KelseyTuoc/status/1883601122524537144 It is additionally rather odd to hold that foreigners matter,
What happened to all the money that Trump “saved”
>>524470819so we can’t harm them, but their mattering doesn’t give us any reason to save millions of their lives at low cost. Normally if it is wrong to harm someone, you have some reason to benefit them. And on top of these moral arguments, foreign aid likely benefits us both by improving our soft-power and making the world more stable.Washington has been taken over by a rogue administration without any respect for the rule of law. This administration’s wild incompetence led them to sabotage the economy, which is why their approval rating is underwater. Their wickedness led to them gutting foreign aid programs, killing millions. The first is more direct and visible, but the second is likely worse.As far as I can tell, the ghouls who sabotaged lifesaving foreign aid programs, predicting that their actions would lead to millions of extra people dying, are the scum of the Earth. They are the Eichmanns of the modern era—they follow the orders of higher-ups, even when the predictable result of such orders is millions of extra people being dead. This administration’s moral rot will be visible for decades in global disease statistics; one will be able to pinpoint on a graph of deaths exactly when the administration gutted foreign aid. On an individual level, the thing to do is donate to the charities that perform the functions that foreign aid used to perform. https://www.givewell.org/In a sane world, anyone who cooperated with this lawless and criminal administration would be blacklisted from public life entirely. The best we can hope for is completely eviscerating them in the next election and restoring the programs that prevented a hundred deaths an hour.
>>524470570Trump is probably going to kill more people than Hitler by the end of his presidency, mostly because population has increased.
>There's so much wrong with this characterization...>1. Even if the calculations presented are true, it's grossly unfair to equate that morally with the US killing as many people. If someone had been giving millions of dollars in charity to saving cancer patients for years and then decides to stop going forward, he hasn't killed all the future people he could have saved. Quite the contrary, we would laud him for all the people he had saved until now. It's true that they are cutting prior commitments, which is a bit fuzzier, but the point still stands. Unless you'll put up the number of people saved by America from previous foreign aid for context, it's not a fair characterization.>2. You didn't mention at all the amount of time over which these deaths will be caused. If America has a 20 year commitment to a certain foreign aid, then cutting that aid will cause these deaths over at least that amount of time. Contextualizing the numbers by applying the death toll over one year is not fair or accurate.>3. As far as I see it, the main motivation to cut the aid wasn't an overall cutback on spending but to push back on overly beaucratic parts of the government with little oversight as to where the money is spent. In that respect, the foreign aid is a fair target. Even if cutting foreign aid to legitimate causes is unpopular amongst Americans, few of Trumps supporters support funding things like sex changes and DEI in developmental countries. It's true that these uses only rank a drop in the bucket of the total spending. And it's true that this doesn't absolve the Trump administration completely- the proper thing to do would be to audit the overall spending uses and filter out the causes that are actually abusing aid. But at least part of the blame lies in bureaucrats and organizations who for years have been abusing the system for ridiculous purposes. At some point people are going to raise questions.
>>5244709911. I didn't say it was exactly as bad. Though for what it's worth I think there are good arguments against the doing allowing distinction and that the amount we currently give falls well short of our obligations. If a billionaire's uncle's estate was saving a million lives a year, and then the billionaire takes it over and spends all that money on private jets, I'd think they'd done something extremely bad.2. The first number 500000-1 million is deaths caused this year.3. I think it is bad to impose cuts that predictably lead to millions of deaths to cut a minuscule amount of bogus spending. A similar argument would lead to abolishing nearly all of government which has similar amounts of waste.
1. I agree that it's unfair to morally equate this with *the U.S.* killing that many people. But it's perfectly fair to say that Trump and his goons killed those people, since they're the ones who cut foreign aid, and they were not the ones who started giving it out in the first place. They're not just stopping a good thing they were doing before - they never did anything good to begin with.2. I'm not sure what the criticism is here. Obviously the fact that the deaths will continue for twenty more years makes the cuts much worse than they would be if they only killed 0.5-1.5 million people this year. Instead, they will be killing approximately that many people every year. BB focused on deaths that have already happened so that no one can dismiss the criticism by claiming that future deaths are still hypothetical (a nonsensical criticism of course, but opponents of foreign aid love to make it).3. The claims about foreign being used for ridiculous purposes are overblown. Many of them are just lies that DOGE came up with to makes its actions sound less monstrous and to incite outrage in people for the supposedly ridiculous things being done by USAID. But even if the claims were true, that wouldn't do anything at all to justify cutting extremely effective lifesaving aid. The proper response would be to cut the waste, and use the freed up funding to pay for more lifesaving aid. And even if it were true that government bureaucrats were partially responsible for getting foreign aid cuts by abusing the system, that wouldn't actually diminish the Trump administration's responsibility. To assume it does is to commit the lump of blame fallacy, the assumption that any bad consequences has some fixed amount of total blame for it, so that pinning some of the blame on one group of people absolve another of some responsibility. In reality, multiple people or groups can all be independently responsible.
>>524470570I can tell by the ~dozen posts that are absolute walls of text, this is a purely leftist thread. No one is going to read all of that shit.
>>524470787I'm a cisgender straight white man
>>524470782In many cases it is! Regime change, assassinations, sanctions, predatory imf loans etc etc Even if it weren't it's still good to help other people even if their unfortunate circumstances aren't your fault
>>524471342The right wing is just basically anti empiricism
>>524470570Cutting aid doesn't kill anyone.Who would even trust food from donald trump?How can you be such a thieving parasitic gypsy? You belong inside a prison.The death numbers are heavily inflated as well. Post at least 1 video of a foreign food aid receiver dying of starvation.
>>524471342AI image.AI walls of text
>>524470570>Millions of extra people are dead, unnecessarily.I know how cruel this sounds but weren't those people also alive "unnecessarily"?I mean if your very life currently depends on people you've never met from the other side of the world paying for it, shouldn't you, your family, or your countrymen try to figure out a way to live on your own?It's not like you've just become poor a month ago, and you're getting your aid cut while you're trying to recover.These people have been receiving aid for decades, and instead of working to get to a place where they don't need it, they've done fuck all to resolve their situation, thinking that it's perfectly in their favor just the way it is.I'm sorry but if neither neither your country, nor your village, not even you or your family actually care whether you live or die, then why should anybody else?
>>524470657If this aid is so necessary to save millions of lives, why is it that 5% of the worlds population in America is solely responsible, when it should be the responsibility of all 100% of the 8.2 billion global population?
>>524471659What part of the studies linked do you disagree with?>Cutting aid doesn't kill anyone >>524471203>>524471099
>>524470570USAID isn't foreign aid. Never was.
>>524470570I voted for this
>>524471885Lots of other countries do foreign aid! So do many great charities like against malaria foundation. Unfortunately Trump's aid cuts seemed to have inspired other western European countries to also cut their foreign aid.
>>524470570Can people like this be executed?How does you 'starving to death' have anything to do with foreign aid that you steal?The lie these welfare queens makeup are absurd.Common decency means helping American people, because Americans need help. Helping Donald Trump and his cronies is a mistake, but that doesn't stop you from being vermin.
>>524471978Good
>>524471673>I know how cruel this sounds but weren't those people also alive "unnecessarily"?>I mean if your very life currently depends on people you've never met from the other side of the world paying for it, shouldn't you, your family, or your countrymen try to figure out a way to live on your own?If they can then yes they should, many can't. >It's not like you've just become poor a month ago, and you're getting your aid cut while you're trying to recover.>These people have been receiving aid for decades, and instead of working to get to a place where they don't need it, they've done fuck all to resolve their situation, thinking that it's perfectly in their favor just the way it is.Child mortality rates have been decreasing for decades. >I'm sorry but if neither neither your country, nor your village, not even you or your family actually care whether you live or die, then why should anybody else?Mother's care if their baby dies from AIDS but can't make medicine from thin air
>>524470570Why are we giving foreign aid when people are starving and homeless here in America?
>>524470570>1pbtid>AI slopI wish Trump killed you when you were a child
>>524471471Says the party who thinks men can become women
>>524472094People aren't really starving in America. >>524472156I think self id is delusion, but I'm agonistic if passing transgenders are women
>524470570Post evidence 1pbtid faggot. Global hunger has gone down since 1970.
>>5244719781% of our budget represents the tax money of 3.43 million Americans. 35.9 million Americans live in poverty, 771,000 are homeless, and an estimated 200,000 Americans die each year from deaths of despair. Over 20 years, that is 4 million dead Americans.That means, the money we spend over seas to save millions, could be spent here at home to also save millions. Why are foreign humans worth more to you than American humans?
>>524472239It's much much cheaper to save a life of a Nigerian then an American! Against malaria foundation can save a child's life for about 5000 USD.
>>524472364But now that child grows up and has children of their own which also need to be saved from Malaria, and you have condemned more people to be born into a hopeless situation within which they are incapable of surviving on their own without external aid. Wouldn't it be better to spend those resources on someone born into an environment where they are capable of thriving?
>>524472236The most authoritative and comprehensive evidence for the decline in **global hunger** since 1970 comes from the **United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO)** estimates of the **Prevalence of Undernourishment (PoU)**, which measures the share of the population with insufficient caloric intake for an active and healthy life. This data is visualized and analyzed in detail by **Our World in Data**, drawing directly from FAO sources.Key trends:- In 1970, approximately **one-in-three people** (around 33%) in developing countries were undernourished.- This rate fell substantially through the late 20th and early 21st centuries, reaching about **12%** by 2015.- More recent global estimates (post-methodology updates) show around **9-10%** in the 2020s, with the latest FAO data indicating **8.2%** in 2024 (down slightly from recent peaks).These charts from Our World in Data illustrate the long-term decline in undernourishment prevalence, particularly in developing countries since 1970 (left) and globally in recent decades (right):The primary source is the FAO's annual *State of Food Security and Nutrition in the World (SOFI)* reports (jointly with other UN agencies), which have tracked PoU since the 1970s. While progress has stagnated or reversed in some regions since ~2015 (due to conflicts, climate shocks, and economic factors), the overall reduction since 1970 remains substantial and well-documented.Note: Early estimates (1970s-1980s) should be interpreted cautiously due to data limitations and later methodological refinements by the FAO, but the downward trend is consistent across sources.
>>524472477perhaps donating to effective charities that save lives will produce overpopulation. This will hold the nations they affect back economically and socially. Now, it is true that donating to life-saving charities likely raises the population somewhat, https://arxiv.org/pdf/2007.11388 but I don’t think this means that they’ll hold the affected nations back.First of all, being stricken by horrendous diseases tends to hold nations back economically. This effect seems vastly more significant https://blog.givewell.org/2013/05/15/flow-through-effects/ than the negative economic impact of a slightly larger population, particularly because it’s not clear whether a larger population will develop more slowly or more quickly. America is better-off economically than we were in the 1800s, when the population was lower and disease was a greater burden.Second, it looks like effective charities tend to lower the fertility rate somewhat but this effect is counterbalanced by the lives saved. But things go much better in society if fewer people are born and die, rather than if more people both are born and die. Vast amounts of resources are wasted if people die shortly after birth.
>>524470570if the bush admin hadn't required abortion bans to get aid from us then those kids probably wouldn't be around
A final concern: aren’t scholars unsure if foreign aid works? Aren’t there lots of smart people who think foreign aid backfires? If so, shouldn’t we be skeptical about efforts to provide foreign aid?It’s true that some kinds of foreign aid are controversial among scholars. Some people think that economic development aid entraps countries and leaves them in poverty. But crucially, none of the kinds of foreign aid promoted by GiveWell are controversial. Among scholars, there is no serious debate about whether, say, anti-malarial bednets are good. https://blog.givewell.org/2015/11/06/the-lack-of-controversy-over-well-targeted-aid/ The most prominent critics of foreign aid support these kinds of programs. High quality studies have been done on them and have confirmed their efficacy. There is not serious room for doubt.
Kill all shitskins
>>524470570>reddit faggotry incarnate, the threadDon't care, kike
>>524473190I'm not religiously or ethnically Jewish. I got DNA test I'm 100% European
>>524470570>foreign aid cuts>shows white child>it’s literally all brown/black kids This is such an appeal to empathy without approaching it from a mature pov. -Why are these countries not able to feed their own children (they kill their farmers or steal to where there’s no food)-Does funding exacerbate the issue of gangs and warlords (yes, the US learned this in Somalia)-What is the benefit from having endless reproduction from people who provide nothing (and also a global call to reduce population regardless)My diagnosis is this is some lefty shill who would have better target saturation on women Facebook groups.
>>524470570Don't worry, the Christians, especially missionaries who go to other countries to both spread the Good message of Christ as well as feed and and build hospitals and other stuff will help those children. It's not like Leftist Progressives have been slowly but surely destroying the power and influence of the Church for the past couple of decades.
>>524470570
>>524470570Millions?I'd guess that most of these starving children are in third world countries. Ruled by some sort of despot. It's thier government that is starving them. Not Trump.
>>524470570>Millions of extra people are dead, unnecessarilyNah. Those people should never have been born if theur native infrastructures can't support them.But you retarded leftists with your fake empathy enabled an unsustainable popukation growth for them. You just want to look/feel good, you don't care about what if you actually did good.Trump didn't kill those little darkies:YOU did.
>>524473520What about when America sells weapons to dictatorships with horrible human rights abuses? Like America assisting Saudi Arabia with it's genocide and mass starvation campaign in Yemen?>>524473594>>524473494>>524473349
>>524473627>Arabs kill arabs>its white people's fault!Fuck off.
>>524473627If we don’t sell them, someone else does. You think the AK is made by Americans?
>>524473694>My non white neighbor who doesn't have a gun says he wants to kill his neighbor and rape and murder his entire family including his children >I then sell him a gun after he tells me this and provide him with intelligence of his neighbors home layout
>>524473781Someone else who has the same advanced weapon systems as the USA? Saudi Arabia took what they believed to be the best deal for the cheapest genocide partner which was the USA. That's shameful
>>524473967>endless appeals to empathy when the alternative is AK communism which is the face of terrorism in the Middle East/AfricaDon’t fucking care honestly. China has the budget to save everyone and they’re based commies like you bud.
>>524473967>>524473807>>524473781>>524473694If we don’t sell, someone else will" / "Not the same advanced systems": Mixed. U.S. dominates (~74% of recent Saudi imports), providing top-tier integrated systems (e.g., F-15s, Patriots). Alternatives exist (France ~6–8%, Spain, UK, growing China/Turkey drones/missiles), but U.S. tech is preferred for compatibility/superiority. Saudis have diversified somewhat (e.g., Chinese drones used in Yemen), but no full equivalent partner. Critics argue this doesn't justify sales amid abuses.Analogy: Selling gun + providing neighbor's home layout intelligence: Fair critique of past U.S. role. Pre-2021, U.S. shared intel/targeting data and maintained Saudi aircraft, raising complicity concerns in civilian harm incidents.
>>524474074>Saudi Arabia is the biggest supplier of terrorism and genocideL m a o you fucking retard
>>524473807The non-white neighbour is the murderer here. Its ridiculous that this needs to be said, but: brown people are responsible for their own actions.
>>524474062No. America starts wars it can't win that don't benefit America and harm civilians. America was in Afghanistan for two decades, the first excuse was finding Osama bin laden but they stayed for many years after killing him and wasted trillions of dollars and had absolutely nothing to show for it. They just made a bunch of defense contractors and military industrial complex companies rich
>>524474074The money's on the table. I don't like it but someone else really will scoop it up.If all the big weapons dealers are at least equally shit ethically speaking, we'd just be putting ourselves at economic disadvantage unfortunately.
>>524474182Yes and the white person is also responsible for arming someone with a history of murder and helping them commit the murder by providing them intelligence on their victims and not requiring them to stop murdering people before sending more weapons etc etc
>>524474074>complicityWho is the main culprit who actually pulled the trigger? Whats their ethnicity? If whites owe aid for complicity, browns should give 10x aid for being the actual perp. Yet for some reason you don't pester them, only whites. Again, you can fuck off - you are transparent.
>>524474238If you build lots of prisons (especially private for profit prisons) they will fill them with innocent people if they must. If you build lots of weapons (especially private companies like Lockheed Martin etc) they will start pointless wars and sell weapons to bad people to maximize profits. Listen to Eisenhower's speech on military industrial complex.
>>524474265WHy is my heart supposed to bleed that hard though
>>524474193Ok I really don’t care what a French guy thinks of our global policy. OP is about USAID dying which is objectively a good thing morally. Keep crying and stomping your feet.
>>524474265>>524474370
>>524470570What you talking about, there re so many African foreign aid trucks and ships, helping the starving.... we got baananas on the shelves every day thanks to Trumps Bro Farakhan, i guessO wait, those bananas come from South AmericaWhat are they doing all day in that vast greenland down south? Shoulda ask that question the somalis in the security council
>>524474370You can't pull blood from a stone
>>524471471>spend 200+ hours reading leftist writings>it's all retarded nonsense and a complete waste my timeMany such cases.
>>524470570Maybe the NGO bugs should've been focusing on nutrition assistance and actual humanitarian relief. Instead of using that as a cover for feminist indoctrination and sowing the seeds of globohomo ideology.
>>524474444Ah but triggermen DO have real blood.Are you implying a FINE is sufficient to wash away BLOOD?
>>524470570Not my problem.
>>524474444Except multiple arab countries are extremly rich. You want whites to do penance for everything an anything, while excuse browns doing worse.You do this because you are an anti-white faggot - a transparent one at that.
>>524474544Thats antisemitic.
>>524470570Not my circus, not my monkeys.Why the fuck should the US be giving ANY aid to foreign third world shitholes when we are already $40 trillion in debt?
>>524470570They are not White, they are niggers in niggerland, and if they can't grow food, fuck them and fuck you.
Patriots our OP is a dick sucking Democrat pedophile who eats dead children imported from Asia. Disgusting subhuman.
>breed out of control because of foreign gibs>gibs get cut off>oh the humanity!
