and shipped it off to the 3rd world. You have no idea how this has impacted your life. Tearing the bottom out of the car market has turned every moment of every day into a struggle for American families and young Americans. Trump, we need utilitarian, affordable, fixable cars. This is urgent.
>>524500223This. I was given two cars for free in the late. 90s-00s. I bought a v6 Dodge Challenger for $1200 cash. Kids today will never understand how cheap and available used cars were in America.
>>524500223I don't fucking care about saving the system anymore. I'm just going to stack silver and wait for the collapse.
>>524500223I've owned 5 pieces of shit cars and finally have a decent one, i have zero debt. I always hear about sharts doing car payments, this is so goddamn retarded and insane its not funny considering your jewish rental costs and health insurance.
>>524500223You literally cannot prove this is true. It's been proven not to be true multiple times. But morons gonna moron.
they didn't even destroy a million cars and there are 300 million cars currently on the roadit was a retarded waste of money but it didn't destroy the car market
>>524500223those steel bodied cars were something else.they offered visions of a future.and they had character and wouldnt explod when you drove them into things.the room in the seats were splendidand if you had enough wrenches and a brain, you could get it to have the engine light shut off.the end of the steel machine was the castration of your lofty dream.
>>524501267you are wrong
>>524501267people like op are just to this day angry that a man with dark skin got elected president not only once but twice, do you think they actually care about cars?
Sorry goys, no reliable and easy to maintain cars without obd-2 for you
>>524500911I owned three cars when I was 20….and thy were old, but they worked. Got one for free, and bought two others for $700 each. I even had a motorcycle and a 1995 Ford Econoline conversion van AKA “The Shagmobile” all before I was 23. Then in 2008 I got rid of them and bought my first new car…but like, it didn’t matter. Nobody cared. Girls stopped being fun to be around, guys were depressed/angry. Tons of my friends were taking the bus….I wrote it off to the recession, but then it never came back! Chicks didn’t used to care if you had some old piece of shit with no A/C. A car was a car. A van was a party-mobile, but now it’s “a creeper van.” And “my Uber’s pulling up.” Women either drive themselves in brand new cars (where the fuck they’re getting that money from beats me) or it’s UBER. And heaven forbid they leave the Uber driver waiting, when nobody used to give a shit if the cab had been out there for an hour. Can’t fix these new cars for shit (I’m a mechanic). I’m seeing brand new cars, like not even a fucking year old with unsolvable electrical issues. Brake pedal return springs snapping on 2026 RAV4s WTF??? If you work with cars or know someone who does ask them/yourself if it feels like they’re living in the twilight zone. My theory is they’re going to flip the switch and everyone is gonna have a “subscription” to Waymo or ALL cars are going to be driverless in 5-10 years. If you wanna make money get into towing. I’ll tell you that much.
>>524500223The day Obama croaks I will mark on the calendar and start celebrating as a personal holiday. He's 64 now, I assume with Presidential healthcare he'll live to be 100 like Jimmy Carter, so only ~40 more years to go. If he makes it to longevity escape velocity I will be upset.
>>524500223>Trump, we need utilitarian, affordable, fixable cars. This is urgent.No worries anon, the Trump admin day and night to create this car for Israel.
>>524501083"proven true"are you from a third world country? or underage? anyone who was alive in america in 2010 saw the prices of used cars double.what is there to "prove"?>>524501456>do you think they actually care about cars?i drive a lachssilber 1988 325is 5speed low miles. you clearly are not a car enthusiast because you don't even know about cash for clunkers. ironically _you_ are exactly what you accuse others of being. a non-car enthusaist who only cares about your stupid pet nigger and partisan politics.this video on cash for clunkers was made by a gay socialist bird furry and even someone like that will admit how stupid it was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZAhq375Wmw
>>524501083We are pretty fucked over here. You don't understand elite capture until you've lived in America. We struggle to make ends meet so fags like Elon Musk can build compounds for his harem as Jeff Bezos reclines baldly on his bazillion dollar gigayacht with the, uh... "beautiful" Madame Bogdanoff the Younger. They pump us full of hyrdogenated corn syrup fried in hydrogenated corn syrup and then charge us a lifetime of debt when we inevitably get sick... all for the privilege of seeing the Tuscan sun glint off some psychopathic billionaire's bald dome on our phone screens. It's fucked fucked fucked.
>>524501456Why did you bring the color of his skin into this when we were judging the content of his character?
>>524500911Every car I owned in my youth was $500 and bought from an impound lot. I had a very nice Acura that was perfect until some joke rear ended it. I had a Dodge Raider, Oldsmobile Toronado, some Chevy wagon, and an RX7. All $500.
>>524501456you're better off not existing because you are such a clueless retard
>>524500223Only a couple hundred thousand cars died, basically nothing.
>>524502384You're the kind of dude to say the Nazis were socialists because it's in the name. Nigger, you don't have to say it outright. This feigned naivete is trite. It's like you want to have your cake and eat it too -- to play like it's still the republican party pre-2015 with all the moral gravitas they spent so long trying to curate, but to also be this big "fuck you, kike!" kind of MAGA twat. You can't have it both ways. Racism is the subtext now, especially after ICE. You don't get to pretend it doesn't exist.
>>524502450I bought a ~1985Chevy Citation from the mailman for 600 dollars and it had 4 thousand miles on it
>>524502737Never forget the Autocaust. Never again.
>>524502856Truth hurts, don't it?
>>524502907If you believe idiots 6 Gorillian cars died and irrevocably ended cheap vehicles.
>>524502243>Reclines baldlyKek
>>524502977You tell me, motherfucker. Are you gonna try to tell me with the same smug tone that you aren't habitually posting racist shit? Are you really going to try to pull that shit? To keep pretending this isn't all some insipid rhetorical game you're playing to try to launder lazy ideas that often devolve into simple racism?This isn't a moral argument, for the record. I don't give the slightest fuck about racism. Nigger nigger nigger. I don't don't racism morally offensive. What I find morally disgusting is lazy, disingenuous argumentation.
>I don't own a car because government bought 4 billion dollars worth of shitboxes 17 years ago!Yeah, not because you're unemployed, unemployable and spend the allowance mommy gives you on weed, vapes and onlyfans donations.
>>524503154Simple racism is the peak of evolutionary fitness in 2025
>>524503324That's nice, Timmy. Go tell your daddy. He'll print it out for you and put it up under the airplane magnet. You know the airplane magnet, right? Vrrrrrrrooooooom.
>>524503154You feel better now?
>>524503154Whites are going to have to realize that racism i necessary. they're the only ones shunned for sticking up for their own heritage and people.say>I am a racist, and go fuck yourself.Worse than non-whites are whites who do not defend themselves>>524503394you are severely braindamaged and have no reason or purpose in life.your soul is unfixable, you know what to do
>>524503394Don't get lost in the fantasy too hard, come back to us Ramshit
>>524501083In america you are supposed to appear wealthy when you are poor for some reason. I have known dozens of people from work alone when I was a retail wagie who limited their working hours to maintain welfare for housing, food, daycare, utility assistance and drove new model year vehicles. Nothing else matters to normies in this country other than perceived status. They all sit and complain about affordability while also saying the leeches take money from those that really need it.
>>524501026Same here, I'm just going to extract the pussy and money I'm owed through operating a porn site as well
>>524503443What you don't understand is that you are systematically collapsing all of the preconditions for what you use to separate us from the races you see as "lower." Can you understand that, at least? "Well the rest of the world does it" is not a great argument when you ostensibly hold yourself above them.
>>524502856>You're the kind of dude to say the Nazis were socialiststhey were, midwit.
>>524503834So it's like socialism but... not socialism! It's a different kind of socialism but it's totally socialism even though we take it to mean... not socialism! Great argument kek
>>524501672You are a boomer prattling on. I dislike driverless cars but Waymo has about 4.5x lower accident rate than humans. That is with a 50 million mile sample size.If you want your glory days of the past then maybe you should have offed the jews instead of becoming cozy with them.
>>524503761The white race is not in a position to restrain itself with any kind of illusion of moral high ground or "we're better than that". We are in the crucible of destruction and the unmixed genes must survive. It took hundreds of thousands of years of struggle and sacrifice to produce the genetic profile necessary for planetary improvement, and if we lose them in the next 100 years, the conditions for producing them will very likely never reoccur. White survival is paramount to avoiding planet of the apes and regression to animals.
>>524500223It really did fuck us all over with that move. Killed the used car business, killed the prospect of finding an old GM unkillable car to fix up.. now everyone out there is driving consumer slop vehicles.
>>524500223That's not the only thing king nigger ruined. The faggot and his husband occupying the white house is the biggest shit stain in America's history.
>>524504068What are we better than, then? What is left when we stop feeling the need to become better? It sounds like the burden of excellence is too much for people like you. You no longer want to give a fuck about the things that still do separate our society, however nominally, from the rest of the world... but you want to simultaneously hold on to your sense of superiority. Sounds like some cowardly, chickenshit hooch you're brewing there, anon.
>>524503927> Waymo has about 4.5x lower accident rate than humansI need to address that. Because I hear it a lot now. Listen, just between you and me, if you’re driving 65mph and a meth zombie jumps in front of your truck….are you going to hit him, slam on the brakes and kill him anyway as well as the people behind you, or swerve off the road and crash into a tree, thus killing yourself and then the car behind you kills the future doctor anyway?Because I know what I would do. You really want to lose that decision power?
>>524501672even the modern econo-cars are shite noweverything has a CVT that is designed to fail before even the first set of tires wear out>BUT DOES IT HAVE APPLE CAR PLAY?!?!?!?FUCK THIS GAY EARTH
>>524504371That would be George Dubya, anon. He set the bar so goddamn low as President, America was willing to elect a literal nigger next.
>>524500223that was a program in 2009 and it paid for cars <25 years old with horrible mileage. So that means cars from before ~1990. Nobody normal would drive a car that's over 35 years old in 2025, of the few that would still drive.It's irrelevant for the current used car market.
>>524503698I've heard of people doing that mainly as a way of getting pussy under the guise of being a porn producer. Where do you find the girls though and how much should you offer?
>>524500223there are many cars made after the program below $3k today.
It worked as it was supposed to. They don't want people driving because then they can leave. Now people can't afford cars.
>>524504856Everything that needs an app or has "smart" functions just make things worse and way more expensive than they should be. Cars are the biggest offenders in this regard. All you need is a solid vehicle to get you from point a to point b. AC and sound system are nice luxuries. Having a fucking computer and everything be digital and non fixable by your own hands just makes cars way too expensive and jewed. Most cars are automatic transmission too. A new, manual transmission car without smartphone shit would be cheap and accessible to most people. Another minor thing I've noticed is how most new cars nowadays come in either black, white or grey colors. It's all so soulless.
>>524505038>Nissan>Altimamy brother in Christ, there is a reason that car and many others like it are cheap.
>>524501267Ok but have you considered this is Obongos fault just because I said so?
>>524501456Murder suicide your closest relatives and never post here again
>>524500223You're missing the bigger pictureCash for Clunkers was part of the GM BailoutAmerica died in 2008, we bailed out Boomer Real Estate, Big Auto, Banks.Everything wrong with modern America can be traced to the Financial Crisis.The only fix is hyperinflation.
>>524500223>Trump, we need utilitarian, affordable, fixable cars.He already signed something to allow the production of cute traps.Deathtraps.
>>524500223Worst President EVER!
>>524501156>Proven not to be trueFind a car for less than $1,000 then. Should be easy, right? $500 used to be the norm for shitboxes back then. I'll give you double that now. Go ahead. Find them.
>>524503909>be too retarded to be worth arguing>hope i forget to reply and move onthey aren't sending their finest leftypol schizos and jeets these days...
>>524501267>>524501362Thankfully, like every other Obama-era program, it was ineffective dogshit.https://www.thedrive.com/news/heres-the-full-list-of-all-677081-cars-killed-in-cash-for-clunkers
>>524503157Yes actually. Cheap cars that would get you to work were an absolute necessity for those that didn't make very much money. How is it you faggot liberals always complain about cost of living but defend raising it when it's done by a democrat?
>>524504374You'd make a great court jester. You're really funny
i bought a 2003 chevy astro with awd and 36k miles for 3 grand last year and a 1995 volvo 850 for 1600 with 128k milesim never buying a car made after 2008 again probably.
>>524504991>So that means cars from before ~1990Bullshit. Plenty of cars from the 2000's were given to cash for clunkers. It had to be less than 25 years old, not more, you retard.>Nobody normal would drive a car that's over 35 years old in 2025, of the few that would still drive. They absolutely would if it got them to work. You're so full of shit. Must be nice to never be down on your luck.
>>524500223In 2003 I bought a rust free 70 chevelle ss for 5 grand.Try that in a small town.
>>524505984>1995 volvo 850 for 1600 with 128k miles You say this as if it's a good thing. That car would be less than a grand easily if the market on shitboxes didn't collapse. You're getting fleeced.
>>524500223A bunch of wealthy people traded in their old rides to upgrade. Most of these vehicles were resold at auction. Whatever was garbage was junked. There weren’t enough vehicles taken out of circulation to affect the market- quit Pearl clutching over stupid shit that never happened.
>>524501156It is very obviously true. You clearly haven't tried shopping for used cars.
>>524506192yea it should have been a bit lower but theres nothing wrong with it i already put like 20k on it. it was some old ladies carshe has a 2004 mitsubishi galant i might buy too if another car i have shits out.
>>524500223>Trump, we need utilitarian, affordable, fixable cars. This is urgent.Posting here won't do much. You can white him directly. I would also email people your representatives and officials in the trump administration. Email the Department of transportation. Email Sean P Duffy.
>>524506304Then where are they? Where are all the old shitboxes on our streets? You'd think you would see them driving around if it was no big deal.
>>524501026If there is a collapse, silver will go with it because the entire market value is based on its necessity for the AI industry.
>>524506386I'm not saying there was anything wrong with it, just that they fucked the used car market and made you pay basically double what it was really worth.
>>524506498silver is up because china has restricted silver exports. Once the licensing situation is resolved in china, chinese sellers will dump their silver and make some money from these high prices. If you stacked silver for a long time and need to buy a new car or pay off some debt or buy a house, now would be a good time to sell your silver.
>>524505842I take that as a compliment. The archetype of the jester (the real one, as it actually existed historically) was often more of a truth-teller than himself a joke. Jesters were those who told kings what no one else was brave enough to tell him, cloaked in humor. Now, I don't think I'm actually all that funny a guy (and I'm not under the impression that you and I are exactly sharing a laugh here) but... humor was just the social more of that time. It's not impossible to imagine an anger-jester or crying-jester who delivered truth in some other vehicle. That's the part I identify with, anyway.
>>524501083No Australian should ever try to compare affordability of life with an american
>>524506637You're right. You have a far far cheaper life.
>>524500223I've owned two vehicles my entire life. The first truck I bought had 90k km on it, got totaled by a woman on her cellphone at 550k km. Current one is going strong at just over 200k km which I bought new before the entire market went batshit. Funny enough what I paid for it new, I could sell it for now. Insane.
>>524500223In east Europe case, we have such a big surplus of second hand German cars it’s really cool, we drive old BMW and Mercedes for the price of a couple of grants.Still, I am driving an old Toyota Highlander made in Japan, shipped from the USA, making Romanians seethe cuz it’s an American market only car.I don’t know how I really got my hands on it, it’s really unusual. I am pretty sure there are only a dozen in all the country.I have another Ford, pretty cool also.BTW They keep fixing their shitty German cars until the cost is bigger than the car, while I am maintenance free for about 10 years now. Looking for a newer highlander, looks like I have to travel to the Dutch to get them.
>>524506760Hey faggot, isn't australia supposed to be dns banned ever since the christchurch shooting? So why don't you take off your gay ass VPN and show us where you're really from.
>>524501026whites are the only retards that run away from where they're from, and start a country on someone else's land that they expect everyone to thank them for doing, even the native americans whose land they stole to create a country that's like a woman crying that you didn't have sex with the white people's stupid ass "family" of dumb black niggers... do the mexicans come to america and bring shitskins that are different from them and call them "family" and demand everyone else to have sex with them?
>>524501267 Parts shipping/chip manufacturing and other massive delays allowed prices to skyrocket. Once they go up, they aren't going back down.
>>524506865>Funny enough what I paid for it new, I could sell it for nowWe had bought a car in early 2021 for $15k. Got it totaled in september and our insurance ended up paying us $18k. So basically we made money by owning that car for 6 months. Fucking crazy how bad things were spinning out of control back then.
>>524503394>TimmyKeep seething shitskin. We were talking about a former president fucking over tbe car market. The fact that said president happened to be king nigger is just a cherry on top.
>>524506947Dalit faggot
>>524500911My car was just totaled by a non White woman through 0 fault of my own. Now I have to look for a new car and pay for it. Mine was paid off and reliable. I hate the car market, anything used thats reliable for a daily driver is at least $30k. Anything new is at least $50k. Everything has gay technology in it and 1,000,000 computers.
>>524506604Never sell your silver.
>>524507022It's still bad, you've got mexicans that pop up and buy out used cars to flip in the states because of the exchange rate. It just keeps snowballing. Congrats on winning against the insurance kike though, doesn't happen often.
>>524500223And now car debt is one of the largest financial burdens on Americans. You used to be able to buy a reliable normal car for a couple thousand dollars. No longer.
>>524500223>in the 90s when people made $1000 a month, you could used cars for $500!>in 2025 when people make $6000 a month, you can find used cars for $2000!>33 percent of a month’s income is more than 50 percent of a month’s income!!!!!
>>524500223All these illegal taco niggers have no problems finding cheap shitboxes that fill up our roads, just saying.
>>524507280there's plenty of cheap used cars you could buy, but they're in mexico and you're not allowed to buy them because america is a faggot tranny nanny state that larps as a "free market" but you just can't buy those cars because you just can't okay
>>524507177Yeah, fuck insurance. The woman at the nigger who hit us's insurance company was acting like a cunt so I lawyered up and got the maximum payout allowed for my wife and daughter. I just wanted our medical bills paid but instead I got that and an extra $100k. Fuck you, shelly.
>>524507147Come january 1st silver will start going down, probably to 50-60 dollars an ounce.
>>524507122Buy jdm, they’re still $10k and under for under 100k miles and the most reliable period of Toyotas.
>>524507298>make $6000 a monthSource?
>>524500223>fixablelol. This will never happen. The real problem is all the mandatory “safety” features. Backup cameras, lane monitoring systems, TPMS, pedestrian sensors, automatic braking systems, are all mandatory or will be by the end of the decade. Now if you scrape your bumper you knock out 7 different sensors that all cost $100 to replace(plus labor). You used to be able to replace a whole bumper for $120 now it’s 5x that at least. And the computer systems are constantly faulting in modern cars. Might as well lease a Tesla for cheap these days because all vehicles are becoming buggy smart phones on wheels.>just buy an old Toyota broYeah spend $28k on a 15 year old 4runner with 100,000 miles and get 8 miles a gallon lol. Face it. The automobile industry is FUCKED. Permanently.
>>524507122This is what you get for being an incompetent wagie who can't fix his own shit. Now be a good goy and go spend your shekels for a computerized cuck box complete with spyware and a monthly subscription fee to operate your heated seats. Your boss Mr. Goldberg needs his 3rd mansion, so don't miss your shift due to car issues. Also Epstein and co. and all the tattoo-covered single mothers out there need your tax buxx so get to it
>>524500911In the 90s Id swap cars on a whim. If winter was coming and I was going snowboarding a lot, Id buy a 4x4 SUV. In the spring Id trade it pretty much straight across for a 3 series or a Camaro, stuff like that. >>524501156We cant prove cash for clunkers happened? Anon, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>524507280>just pay $800/month for the next 60 months goy>then when it's paid off, you're going to want a brand new car because that ones old>just pay $850/month for 60 months goyThey want us as debt slaves forever. >>524507298You can't find a used car for $2k. Anything under $10k will break in a month and need twice its value in work. You don't even have a car or a license.
>>524507460>anything under $10k will breakabsolutely not true
>>524507422The tiny trucks?
>>524507453>just straighten the frame on your own retard, don't let the jews winThanks anon i never thought of it like that.
>>524501156Some Jew sociologist/economist tortured enough data to “show” some predetermined conclusion(as long as you ignore all the other data). This proves nothing.
>>524507511No, mark ii, cima, celsior
>>524500223>Obama stole the entire used car marketIt was another jew banker scam to get everyone in debt, goy.Every president and politician is a puppet for jew bankers.
>>524501156You literally can prove this is true. It's been proven to be true multiple times.See I can also 'debate' like a retard
>>524506349People have more disposable income; willing to pay the going price. They don’t a shit if YOU can afford them, someone else out there who can. Probably easier to sell 1 $10k junker than 3 $3.5k junkets; less problems for the dealer later
>>524501267This. As usual /pol/ is wrong and very loud while being wrong. kek
>>524507499Yes it is. Cars sold cheap are cheap for a reason. Someone didn't want to continue to dump money into it. They need constant maintenance which adds up and soon you've put 2x the value of the car into it in parts and labor because a piece of plastic is $1000 and any shop charges $200/hour in labor>just do it yourself!!Yes if you can but chances are you won't have the right tools or knowledge to work on a modern piece of plastic that needs 4000 computers to run proper.
>>524505038>Nissan Altima with 140k miles on a CVT transmission
>>524506304>There weren’t enough vehicles taken out of circulation to affect the market>>524507642>They don’t a shit if YOU can afford them, someone else out there who canDoes it hurt being so stupid?
>>524501156>>524501267Gonna have to guess that while it may have temporarily bumped the price of a used car...I'm seriously doubting it's still ruining the market 10 years later... 10 years is plenty of time for used cars to hit the market.
>>524507752You tell me.
>>524507720that whole borders is racist bullshit by you democrats conveniently goes back to the usual boomer shit about why you can't buy old cars from mexico, or new chinese cars because you just can't okay
>>524507356Mechanicanon here. I work in Los Angeles, and the way it works is they hook up cheeeeeap ass good looking sweat equity to homes in exchange for cars. I run into cars all the time that are great, but they need like $4,000 worth of work. Well, a mechanic with his own shop can stay late and fix it slowly and then flip it, while at the same time have a new roof put on his house and sleep at the shop. You run into that everywhere here. It’s the guy working at an office living paycheck to paycheck who can’t just hand over $5,000 AND take an Uber to work for a week. The Mexicans (and others) here pack into a truck and make a fortune repairing homes in Beverly Hills and can also hook up other things…if you know what I mean.
>>524507720Because people weren't buying them to last long, they were buying them as gap cars. You'd buy a shit car they would last you a year or two while you saved up enough money to buy a decent one. You have a complete misunderstand of how these cars were used.
>>524501672> ALL cars are going to be driverless in 5-10 yearsThis will never happen because it would actually benefit us. The need to have a human “driver” for liability purposes. They can’t fully control the vehicle cause communist Jews will sue the fucking shit out of them if they run over a pot hole too hard and it gives the passenger neck pain. So instead you will get a neutered goybox cuckmobile that does 99% of the driving for you, but also requires you to pay attention to the road and take the blame if something unexpected happens because your eyes wandered for 43 milliseconds right before it plowed into that baby stroller.
>>524507801>It didn't affect the market except where it did!
>>524507785The problem with modern cars is its so easy to "total" them. They get into one accident and need $10k in work so just take it off the road and buy a new one. Used cars don't last as long and Obama took out most of the old ones that didn't need so many computers or sensors to run.
>>524500223I can’t even afford food anon I can’t eat a car that I couldn’t afford before obeezy too
>>524507147>1980>2011>never sell bro>never make money, just wait forever
>>524507460Damn dude, go to autotrader and search for cars with under 100000 miles and under 10000. What is everyone talking about?
>>524507720No
>>524500223Old cars were dangerous to the environment, you should thank Obama for your increase in air quality
>>524507888Remember back in the day when you could get a fat check from your insurance when you car gets damaged but still keep driving it and pocket the extra cash? Most of you probably don't.
>>524507941>under 10000The fact you use this figure shows just how out of control the market is. That is not a shitbox figure.
>>524507988then it's environmental racism to let niggers have cars because they're just genetically inferior monkeys where pollution is racist
>>524503154>What I find morally disgusting is lazy, disingenuous argumentation.basedwelcome to the 20s, where its the norm. not just in ideological matters, but in fucking anything.
>>524507802This bot is broken.>>524507843Old cars break down and cost money to fix. That's the objective truth.>people just spend money on them because they don't have money to buy a csr that costs less per month and is more reliableHow poor are you? Your spending habits reek of financial insecurity.
>>524508115why would a bot care about cars you dumb nigger?
Anon obd2 is the best thing that ever happened to the car market. I’m a mechanic, and obd1 cars were impossible to fix, that’s why they are essentially extinct. Pre obd (pre 1976) are indestructible and easy to maintain but when Cadillac introduced BLI (block learn integrator) it changed everything. There was no industry uniformity and each manufacturer did their own thing. It was a nightmare. Obd2 codified into law that all manufacturers use standardized nomenclature and processes. 1996 and after Obd2 cars will be on the road for the rest of our lives. Fuck Barry soetoro.
>>524507941I'm not poor and I can afford a car with less than 100,000 miles that some woman probably had for 4 years and changed the oil 3 times. I just dont want to spend that much money right now.
>>524508115>Old cars break down and cost money to fixNo shit, retard. That's when you dump it and get yourself another shitbox for $500. If it lasted at least 6 months then you could get at least 10 years of shitboxes for the price of a decent car. You fundamentally don't understand their utility, which was my assertion to begin with.
>>524504991It decimated market liquidity, right at the moment automakers needed goys forced into their lots, and cars got substantially worse for the consumer. It buffed credit markets and put beans in the right spreadsheet columns to set the trajectory we're on today.
>>524508044>>524508147>zoomer just showed up to call people names and add 0 things to the discussionWhy do zoomers hate having discussions? Every single thread devolves into them just calling people names and lashing out. Nothing constructive is ever added to the conversation.
>>524500223This program started under Dubya
>>524500223>and shipped it off to the 3rd world.Didn't they straight out destroyed the car engines?
>>524500223it wasn't just obama he was just the headman. congress is complicit in this as well. they touted it as something for the environment during the entire greenwashing meme cycle, when in reality it was just the motor corporations influencing the government to increase profits for the umpteenth time
>>524500223I hate cash for clunkers programs because in many cases the cars are perfectly fixable if someone bothered to take care of them.People were spoiled rotten back in the day, and now they are begging to get their old corollas back!
>>524508222Sorry i didn't realize we were living in 1996 land. Thanks for reminding me, time traveling anon.
>>524505038You noticed the excellent price part and posted that bullshit anyway?You're one of those retards that believes in miracles, aren't you?If seems too good to be true, it is too good to be true. Now take your boosters and fuck off.
>>524506304>Most of these vehicles were resold at auction.They were legally required to be destroyed, you lying kike piece of shit. This isn't ancient history. There's videos on YouTube of shops seizing, running with no oil or straight sand, cash for clunker engines. Fuck you, you're going to burn in hell.
>>524508222Fuck breaking down in the first place. Being stuck on the side of the highway when you are supposed to be somewhere is something I’d rather not do. This is why people including me just buy new.
was every tax dollar over market value paid for a "clunker" a fraudulent misappropriation of funds? I hear a noise... it sounds like... RICO
>>524508359What kind of gay retard argument is this? Even if my figures don't line up exactly with what you think they should ($500 cars existed in 2009 so suck my dick), you still fundamentally don't understand why poor people would need those cars.>Oh no, they break downNo fucking shit, retard. Since you had less than a grand into it, who fucking cares? What happens when your $30,000 note car breaks down and you still owe $25,000 on it? You see how stupid you fucking are?
>>524508464We aren't talking about you, you stupid nigger. We're talking about people having trouble making ends meet.
>>524507022That was a hilarious time. I bought a car in 2019, and in 2021 the dealer solicited an offer to buy it back for what I had paid. I feel bad for the zoomies now and people who couldn't read the tea leaves on what was happening.
>>524505984Where?Both those vehicles would be $10000 Canadian ($7000 US) easy right now. Fuck I hate this country.
>>524508623People have issues making ends meet with shitboxes that nickel and dime you to death.
>>524508332>I hate cash for clunkers programs because in many cases the cars are perfectly fixable if someone bothered to take care of them.this is becoming a problem to in the US with the whole right to repair thing. lots of these companies are making it very difficult or out right impossible to repair their productsjust look at the whole john deere fiasco with the farmers. they are furious they can't replace a $100 part without a licensed technician coming out to fix the 100k tractor
>>524508684Only if you choose to repair every little issue and not just run the wheels off it and trade it for another one. This isn't a hard concept. I can see most of you stupid faggots never grew up poor.
>>524507298I know very few people making $6000 a month, except oilfield camp workers doing 86hr weeks and never going home.And don't forget to include the ride inEVERYOTHERCOSTOFLIVING. Thanks for doing your part to reawaken the genetic memory of the necessity for pogroms. Every little part helps, and gaslighting reality is the creme de la creme of kikery.
>>524507990Nope, and I'm 34. Saw two of my parents cars get totaled, both times by illegals, and the insurance company only paid enough to cover getting it shipped to the junkyard. Both perfectly fine cars, perfect maintenance, maybe 10 years old. Car insurance is an absolute joke, unless you're paying 5x rates for an overpriced luxury car that gets totaled in the first year
>>524508797I’m sure that day on the side of the road was just free right? Tows are free as well.
>>524507990I did that on one of my cars.Bought it back.Repaired it with my pops for a few grand.Had 5k extra that I pocketed.100% legal, was just a totaled title.
Sorry, best we can do is a 70k shitbox that comes with premium subscription offerings that allows "your" car to move faster than 50MPH. We also need to make sure there is as much electronics/computers/chips in there as possible. We also need to make sure the user nor any non approved mechanic is not able to repair/customize the vehicle. Also, 15 year loans for cars needs to be the norm.
>>524508947>>524509139I'm not even talking about totaled cars. I'm talking about collision damage that didn't affect the car's ability to run so you just left it damaged and pocket the money they give you to fix it.>>524509062Wow, you added an extra couple hundred dollars. That certainly adds up when your paying $500 a month on a car note. It'll catch up any day now.
>>524503394>it's a jeet
>>524508947>and the insurance company onlyThey are the main problem
>>52450145612 year old brown coming here to tell us facts!
>>524507785>10 years is plenty of time for used cars to hit the market.thats where the planned obsolescence kicks in, those newer cars are purposely built to fail and never be sold as used
>>524507298which teenagers do you know , that make 72,000 a year?
>>524509437but you should let the nigger lecture you on what "democracy" is like how you have a small penis and are supposed to let a nigger fuck you that way the gun industry doesnt need to exist either because guns are for people with little dicks that are "fascist" who think they can decide how their own butthole or dick is used instead of relying on "democracy"
>>524500223This country urgently needs driverless cars for niggers with nigger-proof door-locks that will drive niggers straight to the nearest port then onto the massive ferryboat that's carrying more driverless vehicles containing niggers, that regularly sails to the west coast of Africa and back to deliver shipments of niggers.
>>524500223There are no more use cars. Domestic cars last about 100/120k miles realistically. "But my 2010 Tahoe is still going strong and hauling, at a billion on the odo!" - Anecdotal, and probably dismisses how much over the maintaining costs was spent to maintain it that way. The most modern cars can hardly be considered cars. The actual automobile technology is primitive and well-understood enough to now make the actual product take a backseat to exploitative pure profit features that you must subscribe to in order to use.Those features won't work in 10 years. Can you even expect the manufacturer to support it after that? What about an analogue to my grandmother's 1987 Buick LeSabre that she kept until she died in the late 90s? That analogue for a new car is on that just rolls and gets Bluetooth radio and maybe a clock.>GPS?Pay-walled!>Cruise control?Pay-walled>Half the fucking horsepower of this decade-old. duct-tapped together engine by this point?Pay-walledAnd that's if the screens still work to even access them. If you've ever driven a shitty old car, you know how it can be. Now imagine it 10 times worse, but with the car itself actively antagonizing you with every mile. And this isn't even considering how impossible it is to get parts for new cars. Just watched a video about a 2013 Chevy Equinox, a shining example of enshittification of the auto industry, & you can't even get rod bushings for the engine. This is something so basic that should be readily available, but is only available with NEW rods from the factory, of which there are 2 existing. TWO! It's as if GM never foresaw that anyone would even attempt to rebuild this engine. They don't expect these cars to last. They won't! They've fucked us over on a basic need in many parts of the country. A cheap reliable car is absolutely crucial to many low-income and young people. They need to be beaten in the streets for what they did to the auto industry.https://youtu.be/fUsI0ypD52k?t=1276
>>524503909Go look at how many types of Satanism there are and tell us again how two things can't share the same term
>>524501156UH NO, I NEED A PIECE OF SHIT CAR BECAUSE BUYING SOMETHING THAT ISN'T SHIT IS,LE BAD
>>524509679>those newer cars are purposely built to fail and never be sold as usedThis. This is why they don't make or sell parts for them. Because they don't even expect repairs to be feasible, if even possible.
>>524508385I like when atheists act like they aren't the retards who created this hellscape
>>524510175>Why don't poor people just make more money?Brilliant analysis, my zoomer friend.
>>524503394You clearly don’t belong here, leftist filth
>>524506947What are you babbling about? And it's "stupid-ass," not "stupid ass," you illiterate idiot.
>>524510105>rod bushingsWtf? You mean rod bearings? First of all, why the fuck would you go to the dealer for parts? You like paying 10x the price? Learn to browse around, retard. I see them on Rockauto right now for $10 for a single pair (Genuine GM brand, part #12643667 for the 3.6 engine), and $40 for the whole set, plus oversized options as needed.I swear 90% of the "know it all" comments on this shithole site are shills or incompetent retards who just want something to complain about no matter how incorrect it is
>>524508623>We're talking about people having trouble making ends meet.What do you do for work? >>524508596>$500 cars existed in 2009 They exist right now too. Why are you so upset about this shit that happened in 2009? Have you really not managed to accomplish anything with your life since then because a few people got a few extra bucks to trade in their 87 Corolla almost 20 years ago?
>>524500223You can find all the same cars in Mexico producing smog, and smog goes back into California. A mexican can literally buy an American car for a fraction of the cost and drive it back into California.
>>524510084but you're supposed to applaud the white boomers for loving to see theirselves on television commercials that ignore any mexicans that built their house or cleaned it for a commercial and the native americans who they stole all the land to act like they're "progress" for being in commercials on tv with their token black house slave monkey niggers that think they're white now and the boomers too
>>524504991>cars <25 years old>>524506071>It had to be less than 25 years old, not more, you retard."<" is, in fact, the 'less-than' symbol
>>524501672One of my funnest highschool memories was getting lunch at tacobell with 13 other kids in a 95 windstar.
>>524510105> - AnecdotalBut still comfy>pic my 2010 Tahoe with a bunch of miles still running strong
>>524510256They will keep blaming Christianity up until the point where the muzzies force them to convert or die.
>>524510725Fuckin' knew there was at least one of (you) in here. Nice, man. hope she keeps on truckin'.
>>524507802>boomer shitAnother schizo anon manages to turn semi-rational discussion into boomer-hate thread.
>>524510430>Wtf? You mean rod bearings?Wrist-pin bushings. Sorry, I ran out of characters.
>>524510866let me guess... niggers are honorary "boomers" because they're old monkeys that don't know how to do anything while everyone else are just selfish zoomers that wont spoil them
>>524500911not too far off from a recent purchase i made on fb marketplace, v6 06 mustang (1.5k) and an 08 GT notranny for 1k (parts upgrade), only viable use for old fb accounts really. asked seller how come nobody wanted the car, he got offers every day but nobody bothered to actually go out of the city to pick up the car, seems convenience is zoomers biggest weakness.
>>524503678>"everyone" tries to act richNo, niggers try to act rich, and there is an entire car market designed to cater to this mindset. Ever hear the term "nigger-rich"?
>>524500223what *really* killed the used car market. I'm older, been around the block a few times. When I was young, if you trusted your mechanical friends you could locate a cheap cr under a thousand buck that would run if you knew how to fix a few little things. would it be a chick magnet hell no. But A to B. I always had two beaters. If one died, I grabbed the other and then bought another to fix up. Easy peasy and cheap. When working good, I would have three or four beaters ready to drive. I called it the "Imperial Starfleet". Here's what happened in stages1. things are as I describe in small towns2. want ads became popular. you could now "market" your beater that runs to the city people. They have ore money and will pay ore for the same car. the 1000 dollar beater became a 2000 dollar used car.3. internet. made #2 orders of magnitude worse.back i the day, a collectible old thing might be "junk" because no one in the small town appreciated or "collected" it. Ebay? fuck. the few people that wanted it and would pay top dollar were suddenly right there. We call this progress. Cash for clunkers and shipping beaters off to third world countries, just helped this along.
>>524503698>gibs me dat money and pussyPost black hand.
>>524507453you have to be 18 to use this site
>>524504943the only reason W was put in office was to ensure 911 went down smoothly and the CIA got to collect their 240B payday from the Iran Contra funds rolled into a bondIts the entire reason W was all "we've got to fast track all these financial transactions and not inspect a single one, so everyone can get their money"but it literally went-JFK: tried to fix the system too hard, assassinated-Johnson: let's get the CIA involved in the government-Nixon: ok let's get one of our yes men to further fuck it up-Ford: let's pardon that yes man, he did globohomo a huge favor-Carter: let's put a dummy in there-Reagan: the CIA needs to regain control here, what better way than in the passenger seat-HW: ok ya know what its better if the CIA drives the car-Clinton: let's get the CIA's lackey that helped them run guns and drugs as governor, then people will stop talking about the CIA running things. We can even meme that he balanced the budget!-W: CIA really needs those Iran Contra funds and 911 is a great cover for it with multiple objectives achieved, now let's blow the fuck up out of the housing market-Obama: Let's use this nigger DEI hire to do Sandy Hook, run guns and drugs, we'll really show them what glow NIGGER means....wait what do you mean they gave the jihadis stingers! Get those fuckin things back!
>>524511262that's why they're honorary "boomers" since that's all they could do is act "old and rich" while not being able to take care of theirselves because zoomers are spoiled and selfish and wont spoil them
>>524500223If trump would make a law about a price being set for a car would change everything. There's no laws on what you sale a car for, I would have to sale something else for a living but also if you are a 750 beacon and dont know it im definitely selling a 20k car for 49k if you sign the paper
>>524511764>If trump would make a law about a price being set for a car would change everythingdumb fuckin zoomers you were asleep in civics class werent you
>>524511812Oh please explain....
>>524510472I have sympathy for poors because I grew up poor and was poor myself for a while and know how it is. You don't know anything because you had everything handed to you so you look down on people just trying to make their way in the world. And I asked for someone to post a used car for less than $1,000 a while ago and no one has yet. Go ahead and find a $500 used car for me.
>>524500223I made out good with Obama's Cash for Clunkers back in 2009. I traded in an old 80s beat to shit Dodge Ram pickup truck and got $4,500, and then GM was shuttering Pontiac division as part of the bankruptcy. So I ended up with a heavily discounted new 2009 Pontiac for like $9,500 out the door. It was a $20,000 car at the time. Anyway thanks President Obama. Please run again in 2028 if trump pulls that shit.
>>524501156Golly-gee Gaslight! Yeah, Cash for Clunkers never happened and is just a conspiracy theory. Used car market is AKSHULLY full of $1000 - $3000 cars.
>>524510603Read the rest where he talks about cars being from before 1990, you stupid dipshit.
>>524511314Obviously the final blow is the decapitation of the used market in every aspect, as not even the manufacturer supports it anymore, or even expects there to BE an aftermarket. >Heavy regulations for made-up reasons (climate)>Greedy corporations just throwing money and stupidity at the problem instead of solving it in a way that benefits their customers as well as their profits. >The lack of available talent to achieve the above.>People's lack of interest in things that affect their lives (autos, the food quality/safety issues, etc) People just seem to not care that ownership costs have skyrocketed while choice in the market has been gutted.You're not even paying for a car any more, it's more like a limited-use subscription platform on wheels. The modern car is more like a fucking xbox or something and what cars used to be pre 2008.
>>524506604hahaha terrible advice.>>524507147great advice>>524507409hahaha more shills. good ill continue to buy.>>524507930>1 oz AU 8/19/2018 $1150$5k today>55oz AG @ $17.50 8/19/2018 >buy 40 oz american eagles @ $41 couple months ago.hahaha
>>524501156>. It's been proven not to be true multiple times.Anyone in the car sales business can tell you cash for clunkers is 100% responsible for destroying the second hand marketEven during normal times, the second hand market typically has less than 10k cars in running and driving condition of any given X model a decade later.The cars that qualified for cash for clunkers were all fully registered, had local smog and road approve registrations. Actual junk didnt qualify for the program, ironically. Go ahead and check, how many of the millions of Dodge Neons they built can you look for and buy at car dealerships, Ads etc? It's probably less than 500 cars in the whole country.Now imagine 450 being turned into cash for clunkers. The car is effectively extinct from a buyer perspective, even though "they made millions"600k running and driving cars being removed from the roadways was a HUGE shift for the market.
>>524511970That happened 17 years ago. Are you sure the reason you don't own a car is just because you're unemployed and unemployable?
notice how they abruptly stopped mass producing mini vans? how many people could a mini van hold?how many does an suv hold?how many children is the average american having now?the minivan was the symbol of amish, mormon and white breeding, even if you didnt think so. it was a subliminal tool, and its removal from the market shifted us towards to a more individualist mindset, rather than the national lampoons family vacation mindset we had previously.
>>524512531>600k running and driving cars being removed from the roadways was a HUGE shift for the market.That's like 17 years ago. Be honest, is that really what's holding you back from going out and living a good life right now?
>>524500223Can't wait to buy a Drumpfwagen.
>>524513046Who is this "they"? Did "they" also prevent you from talking to women IRL and trying to put your penis in them to have children?
>>524500223Cash for clunkers is about a transition to smart devices instead of cars.New cars are terrible, require accounts, monthly subscriptions and have to use an ipad to control half of the features.
>>524505621This is cope. $1000 in yesterdays currency is $5000 in todays currency.
>>524505222>A new, manual transmission car without smartphone shit would be cheap and accessible to most people.If the tv market is anything to go by then the new manual non smart device actually a car car would cost more because they arent lifting userdata to sell
>>524513146>That's like 17 years ago.Yeah, and the market has yet to recover which once again highlights how effective of a blow it was to the systemA secondary factor is that many of the 1990s cars turned in would have naturally outlived the 2009 shitboxes people got for themNo one is willing buying a 09 Chrysler todayWhats this schizoid comment about my life? I'm happily retired 10+ years, faggot.
>>524513265>Who is this "they"?In the context of that post, "they" would assumedly be the automobile manufacturer corporations, as "they" would be the only ones with the capability of starting or stopping production of some car models.Are you dumb or just gay
>>524513146faggot
>>524513346ThisI know my 2021 VW book value is probably $2-3k but I wouldn't sell it for less than 6 or 7 because I don't want a new POS with a car note and its annoying finding a quality car today thats at least 12 years old.
>>524500911Yep. Buying 10 year old cars in the early 2000s was peak. American quality got way better from the 70s and 80s and peaked somewhere in the 90s to 2010. Now stuff is all plastic and requires an engineering degree to work on. Car companies usually do one car ok as a loss leader and make money on trucks and mark ups on junk. t. Smuck who spent 20k in a glorified caravan
>>524511925>Oh please explain....look at this gay smugnessall leftists should be thrown from a high building into a pile of manurezoomers first
>>524506604this post displays 0 understanding of the current situation or the reason that silver was 55 day after thxgiving and trading for 80 today
>>524513146fkn stupid zoomers dont realize it was all to drive people into having to get auto loans
So its Obama's fault from from a promotional auto program from 17 years ago to stimulate Dubya's broken economy that you guys can't afford a car nowadays? Its not greedy dealerships and their insane markups? Its not that you have shitty credit and you're losers?
>>524500223Ruined the health insurance industry too. We used to pay under 100/month with a 1200 dollar deductible. Never again after king nigger helped line their pockets.Remember when he shipped off military grade weaponry paid for by US taxdollars to mexican criminals while simultaneously attempting to ban US citizens from owning them?
>>524503394>timmyshit skin jeet detected. Subhumans need to fuck off and delete themselves here
That was the prelude to forcing everyone to go EV. Didn't and will never work.
>>524501267>We still have cars though How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning, retard?
>>524510175>if you’re homeless, just get a house!
>>524501156>>524501267Yeah. Back around 2015 you could find a good car with <100k miles or a lightly used grandpa Buick for sub-$2k.COVID was far worse for the car market. Normies used to buy new cars all the time for some reason, even though they sucked and were way overpriced. Then the JIT global supply chain got fucked up by COVID and everyone realized that used cars were a better deal en masse. You had Cadillac dealers selling 2006 Kias with 300k miles as-is for $6k.All the used car dealers started outbidding each other for absolute lemons at auction. Auctions used to be a good place to get a $500 car
>>524500223Who cares? If we had properly funded public transportation everywhere, no one would need to own a car. Let the government do what the government does best and leave the driving to the professionals.
The program ended in 677,081 cars being destroyed. It was stupid and very communist like but you are exaggerating the impact it had. Blaming this program for high car prices is a deflection when in reality every car company is loading each car to the brim with unnecessary computer shit raising prices for the cars and costs for mechanics
>>524500223Blame boomers who donated their cars. The commercial said cars for kids, they thought they were going to kids
>>524517184Shut the fuck up, you transportation shills should be taken out back and put down like old yeller
i bought my used car early into trump 1.0 and it was fine. i'd probably point to around 2019-2020 when things went to shit
>>524505517>deathtrapsJust don't crashWhat's the problem?
>>524500223oh no the poor plagiarizer mutts have such a hard time in their niggerhole. im so solly, losers.maybe next time you become decent human beings and actually credit the people who invented the thing. stupid fucking losers.
you ever see a nigger with a tesla regularly? in georgia... neither have i. but what i have seen like in columbus georgia are boomer niggers with a hyundai ioniq 6 or mercedes eqs electric vehicle when there were still tax credits that shady white boomer car salesman would pocket for theirselves instead of giving their "family" of niggers that so desperately needs the affection of wypipo, even a better "great" deal then the nigger got from his "white owner" since tesla wouldn't be that fucking shady to keep an ev tax credit for theirselves without telling their customers
>>524502243You forgot the worst, when they tell you that you have the "wrong work ethic" to get hired
CVTs destroyed the used car market far worse than King Nigger did. When your Nissan CVT blows up after 130K miles and the replacement costs more than the car is worth, it removes the car from the used market. The 50 million illegals also drive the prices up. We are a car centric country so when you import millions of illiterate poor shitskins who all need cars the price goes up.
>>524501267>>524501456>>524503394>>524505517>>524506304>>524507785>>524505347>>524507681Seems like eglintard, when not being anti-trump traitors to Americans, are now defending their precious nigger president who destroyed affordable cars. You are the enemy eglintard, not Russia. You and Israel.
>>524518704This eglintard bot posted sheer nonsense while trying to ragebait. Imagine responding seriously to Trump hating eglintards. Just remind them they are anti-white and insult Israel and kikes and the eglintards keep its mouth shut,
>>524507438I make 90k a year and can barely afford to rent a 4 bedroom house. Are you telling me most people arent even making 6k a year? How are they not homeless?
>>524521965By not being rentcucks for starters.
>>524514575Go on explai.nnnnnn
>>524500223You need to reframe this in a way that enriches kikes and kills whites if you want Trump to consider it.
>>524500223In 1987 this was my first car. It was less than 10 years old and cost me $800. I banged my girlfriend a lot in this car. Then my mom borrowed it, left the keys in, and it was stolen by niggers. (Jerry Curl stain on the headrest.)And gas was $1.19 / gallon.
>>524502856>>524503154Racism is based total spic removal.
>>524517272We have this thread all the time. Midwits just like to blame something without looking into any of the details. 600k is miniscule compared to the number of cars on the road. Plus 90%+ of these cars would've ended up dead/in a junkyard within the last 15 years anyway.
>>524500223Is cash for clunkers still happening? Like, surely the used car market would have recovered by now. It's been a decade; a lot of new cars have now aged to the end of their lives.
>>524500223Right before cash for clunkers happened I bought a 97 chrysler concorde which was 10 years old at the time for 500 bucks. 350k miles, drove it for a couple of years with minimum maintenance until the oil pump failed one day without warning. That was the only land yacht I got to own.
