Class in the British context is more of an ethno cultural classification then it is purely economic. The middle and upper class are very different culturally have more "aryan" steppe ancestry on average and are consequently more white. The origins of the British class system can be traced back to the arrival of the Celts. The Celts were a conglomeration of "Aryan" steppe tribes who conquered areas of Western Europe from swarthy farmer people of middle eastern origin. They did not genocide these people or even disrupt their way of life much. They simply migrated over and became the elite ruling from fortified hill top settlements, this is especially true for the British isles as we experienced less Celtic steppe migration than the rest of Western Europe. The Romans noted during their invasions thet while the south east of Britain contained a variety of phenotypes similar to Gaul the rest of the country was significantly swarthy, even more so then the Romans themselves.The later more impactful Germanic invasions, migrations brought significantly more steppe genetics whitening the country further as Germanic settler farmers were now mixing with Brythonic ones. However In the newly founded towns and "cities" and among the ruling class, land owners etc there was less mixing with the natives and consequently the steepe elements in these areas and people were higher on average.
>>524504893Fast forward to 18th and 19th centuries and the acts of enclosure. The acts of enclosure were meant to Increase agricultural output but it was 1 really about providing growing industry with what essentially amounted to slave labour. I won't get into the details here but all you need to know is that it forced large amounts of the peasantry into the towns and cities. These now urbanized peasants were dirt poor and lived in terrible conditions and were left with no choice but to work in horrendous 40k tier factories and mines. All of this had furthering dysgenic effects. To compliment this there was also a huge amount of Irish peasant migration fleeing the famine whom were significantly more ooga booga than their British counterparts. All of this lead to the creation of the British working class we know today and the problems and disparities that go with it.Russel Brand is an example of what Britons would have looked like before the Celtic invasion
The existence of class systems or castes(lol) is fundamentally a product of chance, shaped by inheritance, education, and family wealth. These disparities are not natural hierarchies but outcomes of capitalism, which perpetuates inequality through wealth accumulation and social privilege. Society's structure reflects economic power, not inherent worth or ability. Everyone is inherently equal, and dismantling these divisions requires challenging the capitalist foundations that sustain and reproduce inequality.
>>524505406Cope
>>524505647Coping? Please. Recognizing the truth about systemic inequality isn’t coping; it’s clarity. If you call that coping, you’re the one avoiding reality. Wake up—these divisions aren’t natural, and they can be changed. But I guess it’s easier to dismiss than to face the truth.
>>524504893I've noticed the ethnic differences amongst English people for a long time now.
>>524504893Its interesting that the origins of socialism in this country were from the Anglo-Sacon working class wishing to take back land from the "Norman descended" arostocracy which the wprkong class believed was theres by birthright. Which started with the enclosure Act on 1845. I'm not sure about the idea of the working class being of an ethnic group that existed before the Celtic and Germanic invasions. I think the separation is more between the Germanic-Celtic people and Normans post 1066.
>>524506140What was there before the Celts?
OP is arguing that it was>swarthy farmer people of middle eastern originI assume there were people before the Celts but I am unsure of their ethic purity following Anglo-Saxon migration.
Whatever. Can we just eject the thirdworlders and then we can go back to intercaste warfare
>>524506140The working class obviously aren't the pure decedents of the pre Celtic invasion population, they are mixed with Celts and Anglo Saxons. However they have more of that original farmer in them than the other classes on average. It's quite obvious when you start to notice the phenotypical differences between the classes.
>>524504893Lol, your entire premise is retarded. The British isles and Ireland had a near complete turnover from EEF to 95% admixture WSH between 2100 bc and 1800 bc. These individuals can be modelled as nearly identical to unetice culture individuals. The rest of your post is gay faggot nonsense not even worth skimming over because it looks like it was written by a woman. God damn you anglo Americans are fags.
>>524506700Yes, I agree there are definite phenotype differences between the working and ruling class. But is that not a Norman aristocractic phenotype (mixed with European genetics through marriage) vs an Anglo-Saxon working class. Rather than an Anglo-Celtic ruling class vs. the rural peasantry? I don't know what gentic studies are saying about the ethnicity of the English working class but you can't really trust those anyway.
>>524506961Sure
>>524504893>>524505034>Zero discussion of the Norman invasion and its consequences>Zero discussion of the nuances of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha???Good thread idea ruined by Nigel OP knowing nothing about his own history and aristocracy.
>>524507192Here is my basic breakdown of the classes. Working class predominantly Celto Farmer with a bit of Anglo Saxon mixed in. Middle class predominantly Anglo Celtic with a bit of farmer mixed in. Upper class predominantly Franco Norman.
>>524507911I'm fully aware of the Normans faggot but the Norman conquest simply replaced one group of Germanic elites with another, all be it with bit more French.
>>524508010>Gets called out for omitting the Normans completely>Next post, oh yeah, better say something about the Normans>Seeth in the following postAren't Americans supposed to be ignorant?
>>524508010where does he fall?
>>524504893>The middle and upper class are very different culturally have more "aryan" steppe ancestry on average and are consequently more white.Anglo-Normans > Anglo-Saxons > Celts
>>524508326You're a midwit who thought you had a gotcha. Literally almost everyone knows about the Norman conquest over here. I wouldn't be making a thread like this if my history was so lacking that I didn't know about the Normans or the modern German monarchy.
>>524508351Anglo Celtic I would say
>>524508945This lad?
>>524508010You forgot to mention the ruling class - Jews.
>>524504893>>524505034>phoneposter>is a retardpowerful stuff
>>524504893You're just making stuff up
>>524509112Was his hair naturally that colour? If so it would suggest that he has a decent amount of Germanic. His facial features also look more Germanic so probably Anglo Celtic veering more to Germanic side. It's also not entirely impossible that he descends entirely from the pre Germanic invasion population but then he would have to have a ton of actual Celtic ruling class in him.
>>524509841It's ok, take your time. I understand that this is probably hard for you.
>>524505406Thanks SøyGPT!
>>524507911The Normans had relatively little impact on the wider genetic makeup of the isles. It was a decapitation of the ruling elites. Only c. 10,000 Normans actually came over.
>>524510435>10,000 Normansthat sounds small but it actually would've made a mark.>>524510113do you notice these differences in your daily interactions?
>>524510637Yes, I've lived in both working class and middle class areas and there's definitely a difference. If you're ever in the UK go to Waitrose and Asda and you'll see what I mean.
>>524511167Still Brits in all of their different stripes are great people.
>>524504893>The Celts were a conglomeration of "Aryan" steppe tribes who conquered areas of Western Europe from swarthy farmer people of middle eastern originthey are the hyperboreans. some call them the indo-eurosthey are today called tall-whites or tall-nords or paleidiansthey are the hyperboreans that Greeks wrote about. they come from the place Apollo would vacation in the winter.
>>524511346True, the Celto farmer aspect has given us some of our qualities, our sense of humour being the best example.
>>524511518Meds now!
>>524511664Also your language, a mix just like the people. The only other example is Russians. Another great people.
>>524512470He's not wrong, archeologists have traced back to the PIE urheimat and it turns out it's in the Samara Bend.
>>524506208Lesbian eskimos who voted Labour and supported trans rights in Palestine.>Obviously, you bigot.
>>524509112That is the King of England mate
