The us has 30% of its naval assets in the Caribbean and the rest in Europe with few CSGs in the pacific, That along with the Russian announcement earlier today (which mirrors the one by China on the 22nd of feb 2022 but for russia) and Xi refusing to buy us chips(this to me is the biggest indicator) may mean its actually happening
>>524544031keep me posted glow niggers
>>524544031Yes, I’m sure the United States just “accidentally” put too much of it’s Navy in the Caribbean because they are “bogged down” in the “essential campaign” Venezuela and that they’re gonna get caught with their pants down and be backdoored in Taiwan. Yeah that’s surely what’s gonna happen. Think about it man. You really think your idealistic scenario wouldn’t be planned for? I mean you’re actually making me think Venezuela is a feint now, to hit Taiwan or bait China. The United States is not “blindsided” in the Caribbean ok. Get real kid.
>>524544498>The United States is not “blindsided” in the Caribbean ok. Get real kid.
>>524544031Well, the US set the precedent that it's acceptable to blockade.
>>524544713Yeah, sure. They just made a totally big mistake and now China will just scoop up Taiwan. Yeah that’s what’s happening. You’re so fucking delusional. Even if that was really happening, that would be a trap or something that occurs in the middle of a gigantic war they are literally bogged down in. You have to be a clown or a child to think America has no idea what China is doing and will just get caught with their pants down hanging out in Venezuela. How the fuck did people become so weak? I’m not even American and don’t care for either side, but oddly some people actually think the Chinese masterminds will suddenly flip the rug under the United States. It’s not going down like that unless the US wants that to happen.
>>524544031The taiwanese are going to just turn into decentralized indefinite insurgency which will have been prepared for long in advancewhich is just going to force the chinese to just genocide millions and millions of peopleThe only way for china to occupy taiwan effectively is to commit a holocaust 10x worse than what israel has done in gaza, I really think they underestimate how rapidly will this will radicalize the entire world against themI suspect the jews are encouraging china to do it so the world hates china instead of israelThe chinese have 0 experience in long term counter insurgency, they cannot gras it, they simply think defeating the government actually mattersThe only way to truly stop the insurgency is going to be literal genocide, which will back fire monumentally. You will literally see every single Asian regional state join NATO in response over night, probably mass nuclear proliferation across asia on chinas border in every neighboring countryat that point do they just declare war on every single asian country? Their plan is simply retarded
>>524544865We couldn't even defeat Houthis, don't count us out for being too incompetent to defend taiwan
>>524544498These retards dont even understand what a blockade actually does to an island, they think they will force the government to surrenderThey will merely starve to death millions of people in about a month, it will legitimately be the largest mass death event in human history, actually orders of magnitude larger than nuking countriesImagine the reaction of every single asian country, watching the death of millions of asians in a single month by the chinese blockade alone, you will see, NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION at the greatest rate in history, mass nato expansion, a united anti chinese military alliance in every single asian countrythe chinese plan is so unbelievably stupid, i cannot believe no one in russia has told them it makes no sense
>>524544031If we get pulled into a war with China I hope we rip them a new asshole.
>>524544984theres no such thing as defeating insurgenices, merely genociding the local population to the point insurgency is impossibleliterally thats how every single insurgency has been beaten all throughout history, eveyr single timeThe most effective counter insurgency, the cuban revolutioin, vs other revolutionary groups, had che geuvara personally executing hundreds of peopel himself You dont even understand what "defeating the houthis" would require
>>524544984You don’t need to “defeat the Houthis”, they are a bunch of hobos in the desert. They killed their leaders multiple times over. You can’t exterminate all rats from the sewer. And anyway the Houthis are a different story. If you really think the Americans are just gonna look the other way by accident while China moves in on Taiwan you’re hilarious. That is like a fantasy or a novel take. You should write a book.
>>524545251I don't think talking to defeatest chinese propagandists is a good use of your time Vasily.
>>524545172Pulled into? We NEED a war with China. Should have happened a long time ago. Get it over with.
>>524545355shut up kike you arent even a real americanyou are too poor to speak to meI will fly back to america and slap the fuck out of you
>>524545406>has been to AmericaOh you’re so getting purged
>>524545406Your mother was a dogfucked whore who was raped on by every animal on the road to her village. excellent of you to blow your cover, agent zhang
>>524545538im literally an american bud lmaooff yourself kikegenuinely you wil lbe hanged along according to capital punishment with the rest of the traitors death to mossad
>>524544865>Yeah, sure. They just made a totally big mistake and now China will just scoop up Taiwan. Yeah that’s what’s happening.no one thinks they are going to scoop up taiwan the weather does not suit a invasion for another 9 months a blockade on the other hand.
here is the current exercise zones overlayed with all since 2022 look the difference with this one
>>524544031>(((temporary)))
>>524548486if anything were to happen this would most likely be it to gauge the wests response, and they would do it under the guise of maritime policing
Make all of America's shit for decades. Cut them off and start a war. My God it is a masterclass in strategy.
>>524546932Aligns closely with Joint Sword 2024A. Roughly the same locations though the area is bigger. Don't know if that means that they moved over a wider area or the fleet taking part was larger.
>>524548828if only someone could have predicted this
>>524545097Isn't the actual Chinese plan just to buy it up block by block like they have been? I thought the invasion story was just make work for their defense manufacturers.
>>524548870they added two new zones a hour after this was announced so the zones may increase in size
>>524548994>Russians will rebel if we sanction everything any minute now
>>524544031Is that... legal?
>>524548941MIGA!
>>524544865Get a load this copium
I really, really, really, really hope that they can handle matters regarding Taiwan without a single bullet being fired. The Jews, in particular the utterly evil Victoria Nuland, and some others have furiously enjoyed the genocide of hundreds of thousands of ethnic Ukrainians and Russians that they orchestrated and caused on purpose through the golemized Ukraine. Funnily enough, Orthodox Jews have apparently not been conscripted in Ukraine, while ethnic Ukrainians are hunted down by TCC under the rule of Jewish Zelensky. And the horribly many dead in Russia may change demographics and power structures in Russia. The Jews deeply hope to repeat the same for Taiwan, and possibly cause even more war and death in East Asia, and such that China can be enslaved and genocided yet again. Or even WW3 and nuclear war as some Bantus and Bantu-spirited Jews seem to feverishly seek.
>>524545348Hey kikeShalomWe are in palestine now hahahhahahah jew
Send me ship.
>>524544929Taiwanese have no balls for an insurgency. They will accept Chinese rule just like Hong Kong did
>>524549099It’s based and Christ pilled
>>524544984Chinese vessels are known for sinking in port.The modern chinese military has never won a war outside of the second sino japanese war, purely because of japan fighting other people, and was fought more by the nationalists than the communists.I dont care how muttified the US military is or has become. We have no reason to believe the chinese military is capable other than big numbers on an intel report.
>>524545097I thought the alliance between Russia and China is just an act given China wants to carve a piece out of Russia too. China weakening itself gives Russia more bargaining power against it, so it makes sense not to correct their error.
>>524549941China defeated the US in Korea though. They wiped the floor with India too a couple of times.
>>524544031And when the US navy decides to sail to taiwan then what?
>>524550039Korea was very back and forth in my understanding.Also border clashes between china and india are very neutered conflict that can barely even be considered battles.
>>524550119They had a proper war with India in 1962
>>524550171A border skirmish is not a proper war. The only proper war china has fought in decades was with vietnam and that was a disaster so bungled that it makes your current failed special military operation look like the campaigns of alexander the great.
>>524550074Well they will be a little late
>>524550171Like 100k troops deployed, no air assets deployed. That's not indicative of any military capacity, it's maybe indicative of better preparedness or logistical capacity. It's pretty irrelevant. Basically an overblown border clash.
>>524550294For what? Its a blockade. Temporary at that. What happens when the US navy says nah and just sails on in?
>>524550308Well, few countries have more war experience anyway. China is not some kid of exception in this regard.
>>524544031I genuinely don’t care at all
>>524544865>You have to be a clown or a child to think America has no idea what China is doing and will just get caught with their pants down hanging out in Venezuela.Real adults believe that America is omnipotent and knows everything. Only children would think that America can be surprised or make bad decisions.
>>524550345>What happens when the US navy says nah and just sails on in?World war
>>524544929>Taiwan InsurgencyPolling indicates that the population is more amenable to annexation than to a draft. What exactly would a 20 year old Taiwanese person be fighting for?
>>524544031If taiwan does not have drone carrier subs and is not willing to sink any blockaders its over, they deserve regime change more than venezuela>>524544929queer taiwanese chinks (twinks) do not have the stomach for decisive tang victories
>>524544031>>524544498Which semiconductor companies should I buy?>>524545097No you dumb retard no one is 'starving' millions of people. How the fuck is it your country has been invading your neighbor for 10 years and you still don't get how this works. What the chinks want to do in tai1 is first scare some cunts off like in ukraine, cowing the remaining cunts and then cause the price of semiconductors to skyrocket for everyone globally which will fuck everyone else up in the consumer market. For america the decision to put semiconductor factories in taiwan was just one in many stupid decisions, but chinkland's longterm goals mostly revolve around 100 years of steadily regaining Big China ending with the stolen Primorskiy Krai being graciously given to your chinese overloads as a sign of your friendship.
>>524545390>We NEED a war with China.You forgot you're on your Australian VPN. America does not benefit from a war with China and does not have the capacity to fight such a war. Neither does Aussistan.
>>524550440>Save me chinaDoubt it. They will just cuck and leave you hanging as always.
>>524550388All im saying is militaries learn from experience. The US has the most active military of the late 20th / early 21st century, probably followed by Russia. Even things like Iraq or Chechnya show holes in your capabilities. Communications, logistics etc. The chinese military might be very capable, but theres just as much possibility that they throw themselves into a conflict and crumble due to a multitude of inefficiencies.
>>524545097the plan is a partial blockade, restrict dildos and taiwan folds
>>524545355>defeatest chinese propagandistsCan you articulate what America stands to gain by making an enemy of China and fighting against their unification of Taiwan? How does this help us unify the minor countries on our border? How does this solve our demographics issue or help us develop the arctic?
>>524550521What does Taiwan have to do with Russia?
>chinaCannot and will not ever do anything. It’s a Rothschild puppet show teetering on the brink of its usual condition of plague, starvation and internal mass murder and only has thd globo lifeline of russia being too shitty to be an effective boogeyman. Slaves gonna slave.Make me a better vaporiser. I want it bigger but smaller, weighing less, containing more and giving bigger cloud highs, or i’m going to select your families organs and start buying them from president She’s Manchu dictator gang and their NYC tunnel rabbi organ broker middle men. I’m going to buy your chipolata winky and feed it to my mums little dogo, Professor Woofles (Dogs College, Oxford).
>>524546631>the weather does not suit a invasion for another 9 monthsWhere are people getting this weird idea that China's going to human wave up the beach and can only do so for two weeks of the year? Are you people under the impression that Taiwan is inaccessible for most of the year?
>>524550561You see, 10,000 years ago, when the first Taiwanese Tar Baby got stuck...
>>524549571mehmet, youd have been better off not saying anything since adding nothing to the conversation appears to have been your goal all along.
>>524549412>while ethnic Ukrainians are hunted down by TCCYou ca nbribe TCC to not conscript you. The specific thing they give you is a certificate saying you're an Orthodox Jew.
>>524550531Zogbot war experience thaught them ptsd US lies and kys
>>524550561Everything. Ziggers have been pushing conflict between the US and china a lot recently in a desperate hope that it will take pressure of russia and its failed war. But thats not gonna happen. The chinks will sooner invade russia than they will risk open war with America. Especially an aggressive America under Trump.
>>524550531Russia's military has far more relevant experience of war than the US now, you idiot>muh modern chinese military hasn't won a warCompletely irrelevant data point. You are a certified retard
>>524550688Not even close
When is this popping off? I want to zutt the chink.
>>524544758China has been pretending to blockade Taiwan for years you stupid chink
>>524550712All your recent experience is asymmetrical warfare, dumbass
>>524549941>The modern chinese military has never won a warChina's military modernization began like 10 years ago. They participate in the Ukraine war.>We have no reason to believe the chinese military is capableAmerica has lost every war it fought in since the last time it betrayed Europe. 80 straight years.>Korea was very back and forth in my understanding.China won against America
>>524544865People really are so stupid they think we have all of our assets in another theater and can't respond if Taiwan gets hot. The world's going to watch as China gets defeated and all of these faggots on here shilling for China end up in a different concentration camp
>>524550712attache Sarah Ashton Cyrillo boosted army xp and US maxxed the trans rights tree
>>524550760>China won against AmericaSouth Korea kek
>>524550760A knowledgable burger, how rare
> “Justice Mission”> Just Us Mission”It’s over bros. Taiwan is being absorbed.
>>524550639I think the US learned a lot about controlling and surveilling occupied populations in both wars. This is something to take note of. No it's not a conventional war, but they tested weapon systems, honed specific inefficiencies in artillery support or dropping ordinance. Got better at modern communication between branches. These things can't be hand waved. Also because it's military is the biggest one of the largest military alliance, they have the most practical experience in wargames and international exercises.
>>524550822>most practical experience in wargames>t. most decorated armchair general
>>524550795> China shills end up in a concentration camp.Sounds like a nigger-free zone, sign me up.
>>524550345>What happens when the US navy says nahThe US Navy does not have sufficient Sealift to get fuel to the theater for extended combat operations. The US Navy cannot enter the theater due to Chinese air force and missile forces. Remember that America recently had to negotiate with Yemen just to get permission to retreat safely. China also has the largest surface fleet in the world and is allied to North Korea who has the largest subsurface fleet in the world. America's Navy tried to peacock strut around Taiwan just a few years ago and was forced out by expanding Chinese operations. The US also lost a sub to an accident. America later tried to bully North Korea's coastline and failed. If you think America has any capacity for combat on China's coast, you're retarded and ignorant.
>>524550039>Defeated the US in Korea>North Korea lost millions of civilians>Hundreds of thousands of Chinese casualties>North Korea LOST territory>Failed to achieve their objectiveNigga u retarded
>>524550756Even in those wars the US performed many large scale maneuver operations far more sophisticated than anything russia pulls now. Wierd that you think the US isn't getting any data from russias war tho. You're probably the only anon on 4chan that says nato isnt involved in ukraine.
>>524550487dont buy any at all, if something like this happens out performance on your assets is measured by which dropped the least
>>524550871>extended combat operations
>>524550852its easy to make fun of 0% replacement rate (no skin in the game) GWOT tranny generals and ofc opportunity cost of such war trillions is retarded however army xp is real and effective
>>524550688There's an argument to be had for that, given Ukraine is more modern, but the US has been more active over a longer period. >>524550760>China's military modernization began like 10 years agoAnd this is evidence they are good?Look im not huge on the Korean war, but it was hardly the US fully committing. I think there was very little political capital to fight after WW2. Which is also why things like Vietnam or Afghanistan fell apart. It's hard to occupy nations and eventually you run out of political capital to continue occupying them.
>>524550531>The US has the most active military of the late 20th / early 21st centuryRussia and Ukraine are the only countries whose militaries have fought a modern conflict. The US has observers but its military is unable to participate in the conflict on a scale that would learn anything and the US MIC has made no adaptations. China and Korea's MICs and militaries have participated.Here's a list of countries that are ready for peer conflict: Russia, China, North KoreaHere's a list of countries that have 0 experience in modern or peer conflict: Taiwan, America, Japan
>>524550871The US has more than enough sealift for all of that anon. The US navy regularly operates in the south china sea and the straights of taiwan by the way. Whats retarded is thinking that china can operate off the coast of taiwan freely.
>>524550928>muh sophisticaed larg scale maneuvring>in an asymmetrical warTop kek, do you even listen to yourself?> US isn't getting any dataThere's no substitute for actual battlefield experience, and this is even more true when warfare has just been revolutionizedAgain, you're a fucking idiot
>>524550993>Here's a list of countries that are ready for peer conflict: Russia, China, North KoreaNone of those countries are ready for a war.
>>524550993And Ukraine has been working hand in hand with NATO and the US by extension. Somehow their military, which is advised by the US and others, is more capable than the US? Why? Muh drones? Like what facets of Ukraine specifically make it that important that you are infinitely more capable in learning than anything ten or twenty years ago?
>>524551041>do you even listen to yourself?I should ask you that. The US army has decades of recent combat experience. Russia has a few years of experience in getting its ass kicked and china has no experience at all. You're seething because china's cope blockade ends the moment the US navy decides to run the blockade.
>>524550871The USA has bombers and China's going to lose a proportionately high number of surface combatants before ours even make it into the SCS. China cannot respond to B-52H spam, and China is going to have the same problems the UK had in the Falklands war where it's losing ships every single day. Losing thousands of Chinese every single day while the enemy removes your surface combatants and your submarines and your aircraft with aircraft the US public doesn't even know about yet.
>>524550934most if not all have a p/e over 150, they are speculative assets and will be the first stocks to be dumped in case of a market crash. Honest advice, buy tools, food, stuff you need in your daily life and which you can shelf for atleast a year. In case of a market crash precious metals will also dump because of bailouts from speculators who gambled everything else away. Currencies will also tank, making daily live really expensive.
>>524551118russia has fought more insurgent wars than the US.
>>524550487>>524551144
>>524551158Russia has lost more insurgent wars than the US
>>524550644I don't think posting on 4chan will in any way push war between China and US any closer>>524550906US goal was the destruction of DPRK. You lost that war and rather embarrassingly too, since both DPRK and PRC were practically peasants at that time. Its funny that you have a chance against China now when they knocked your teeth out when they were at their weakest.
>>524551118>The US army has decades of recent combat experience.Asymmetrical warfare only, I'll repeat it so even a droolin retard like you has a chance to understand itAny conflict with China would definitely not be asymmetricalAs to the US 'running the blockade', I could tell you about China's A2/AD capabilities about which the US has rightly been worried, but if you don't even get the more basic points, it's not going to matter
>>524551118Taiwan and venezuela should build container subs to run blockades like ww1 germany
>>524551144Imagine if America loses access to all the made in china Temu slop. People wouldn't be able to afford anything. America would have to make everything itself again.
>>524550993Taiwan isn't a country though.
>>524551227they literally tamed chechnya which the US was never able to do to iraq or afghanistan. wtf are you talking about? has the US won ANY insurgent wars?
>>524551158No it hasn't. It just fought the churkas for a few years and lost.
>>524551228>I don't think posting on 4chan will in any way push war between China and US any closerCorrect. I'm talking about zigger shills online in general and ofc its all copium.
>>524551144>In case of a market crash precious metals will also dump because of bailouts from speculators who gambled everything else away.
>>524550795>People really are so stupid they think we have all of our assets in another theater and can't respond if Taiwan gets hot.List the American assets not off Venezuela's coast and explain to me what objectives those forces could accomplish inside of China's air and missile coverage.
>>524551259If you have the tools and the knowledge you will be busy, popular and wealthy
>>524551286>no!!>it just fought these insurgent warsretard, russia obliterated chechnya and they're now a vassal state. which insurgent wars did the US win?
>>524551242No one denies that its asymmetric experience, but it's still experience. Feeding, fueling and communicating an army are half the battle. Look, the public has known about the anti ship capabilities of China for some time. The DoD is spending gorillions of dollars on all kinds of things and putting a lot of money into upgrading detection and counter capabilities. Wars are not won by wonder weapons.
>>524551309>Correct. I'm talking about zigger shills online in general and ofc its all copium.no wonder you're not actually arguing about geopolitics, you're just sports team fanning like a soft faggot
>>524551353No they lost twice and then paid bribes to let the muzzie warlords rule themselves.>What wars did america winAll of them. Thats why america rules the world. Its gonna be fun when our next war is against canada.
>>524551409Anyone that thinks china is gonna yolo the us navy knows jack shit about geopolitics. You global south rise up turdie types dont know anything about geopolitics.
>>524551440>then paid bribes to let the muzzie warlords rule themselves.they killed the leader of the country and then strongarmed his son into being their puppet.>All of them. Thats why america rules the world.sure, like vietnam, korea, afghanistan, iraq, syria. btw none of this has anything to do with insurgent experience, which russia obviously has more of, despite you treating a war like a fucking social media fad
>>524550822>I think the US learned a lot about controlling and surveilling occupied populationsThe US occupations all failed.>honed specific inefficiencies in artillery supportThe US does not have modern artillery capabilities as Russia does. There is no drone integration with American artillery.>Also because it's military is the biggest one of the largest military allianceNeither of these is true. China and Russia each have larger militaries than America. The security agreement between China, Iran, North Korea, and Russia has more than 3/4ths of human manufacturing and most of the human population.Russia alone has 1.5 Million trained trigger pullers. America's entire armed land forces currently stands at 500k, and recruitment is still plummeting. The US Navy is 20% understaffed. PLAGF is just under 1 Million men.>they have the most practical experience in wargames and international exercises.American wargames are not disciplined experiments. Read about any of them. It's a political game where Zoomer officers cry that the rules have to be changed so they can win. In the most recent exercises in Europe, American officers complained that the games shouldn't include drones anymore because they're not fair. America is trained to fight wars against people who can't fight back. These are the exercises the US is holding AFTER five failed offensives in Ukraine.
>>524551491china is sitting back and watching the us and the collective west destroy itself from within
>>524551491>Anyone that thinks china is gonna yolo the us navy knows jack shit about geopolitics.who the fuck said that? do you have a learning disability?>You global south rise up turdie typeswhat the fuck is this niggerbabble? why are you even in this thread if you're mentally incapable of participating?
>>524551113>Like what facets of Ukraine specifically make it that important that you are infinitely more capable in learning than anything ten or twenty years ago?The hundreds of thousands of soldiers that have been fighting in the new meta for 5 years?You can't learn experience. You have to live it.Norks volunteering their people made a lot of sense to me for that very reason. It's smart. That has been the case for centuries btw. All european powers volunteered troops to the north or south US during the civil war because a new meta was also developing there. Germans made good use of it during the first engagements they had right after.
>>524544031Impossible. If real blockage starts, even new axis of evil will be against china. Even Chinese will fight against ccp.
>>524550956>army xp is real and effectiveWhat effect? What wars did they win? The US commanded all five of the offensives Ukraine launched. How'd those go?
>>524551498No the leader of the coutry still runs the place. >sure, like vietnam, korea, afghanistan, iraq, syria.Literally all victories. Vietnam is the only one you could possibly make the case it was a loss.
>>524551384>Feeding, fueling and communicating an army are half the battleWrong, again. Counter-insurgency logistics aren't all that similar to peer conflict logistics, nor are logistics 'half the battle' nowadays>it's still experience.In symmetrical vs asymmetrical warfare, experience in only the latter may actually be counterproductive>A2/AD are wunderwaffenThey are notAnd in the case of Taiwan, they may not win wars, they do win blockades (even if it's theoretical, because there most likely won't be one)>But the US spends so much more on 'counter-capabilities'Funny how you do expect some 'gorillion dollar' wunderwaffen to counter actual A2/AD, but it makes me wonder if you're even 18
>>524551560>who the fuck said that?The OP and every chink lover itt. Forget your shill script already?>what the fuck is this niggerbabble? Ah ever more stupid than I thought. Confirmed for knowing nothing about geopolitics.
>>524551601>No the leader of the coutry still runs the place.amerimutt understanding of geopolitics, this also means every ancient conquering is a LOSS if they installed their own puppet from a royal family, retard>Literally all victories. the US lost korea and china was able to create the DMZ. afghanistan is now ruled by the taliban, the group you originally wanted out. how do you even manage to breathe being this stupid?
>>524544031>MayYea until they actually do it this is as fake and gay as you are.
>>524551651>The OP and every chink lover itt. Forget your shill script already?so nobody and you're a retard who can't handle geopolitics discussions without shitting yourself and trying to throw it at everyone>Ah ever more stupid than I thought. Confirmed for knowing nothing about geopolitics.jesus christ try to read more instead of knee jerk vomiting your high school graduate level understanding of a continent you know nothing about
>>524551656>when you win you loseTrudeau taught you well>the US lost korea Yeah thats why south korea doesn't exist. What a stupid post.
>>524550990>And this is evidence they are good?The Modern Chinese military didn't exist 20 years ago. So listing failures from then and ascribing it to the current military is incorrect. China's military and MIC is currently on the winning side of the Ukraine war. So is North Korea's. America's is on the losing side.>>524550990>Look im not huge on the Korean war, but it was hardly the US fully committing.In 1950, the US Army had just under 600k personnel. More than 200k were deployed to Korea at a time. Your position started as "America wins everything and China loses everything." You have now retreated to "China beating America doesn't count because America didn't really want to win." This same cope applies to the fact that America has lost peer conflict it has ever fought except the one time it betrayed its allies and sided with the soviets to invade Europe.
>>524551697>OP is nobodyOP and wumao btfo!>Im sillyI know because you're a clown.
>>524551738Take the L kiddo, this is just embarrassing
>>524551738>low IQ posting style to keep the conversation at as low a level as possible >Yeah thats why south korea doesn't exist. What a stupid post.you know it was called korea before that, right? holy fuck you dont even know about your OWN countries wars
>>524551772>OP and wumao btfo!do you think randomly running from our conversation to pretend you're fighting OP(who also didnt say that btw, he said china could be planning a blockade, not that nigger babble yolo shit you said) is somehow winning? is this why you think you won afghanistan?
>>524551767China military isn't doing shit in ukraine and the us army wrecked the chinks in korea.>we didnt want to winWe did win. Total UN victory.
>>524551641>logistics dont matter nowadaysSun tzu, eat your heart outThe point im making about the anti ship missiles, is that a lot of people seem to be under this assumption that the US navy is content to lose their trillion dollar carriers to chink missiles. That it's somehow their plan in an open conflict.
>>524551775Fuffing your discord pal? Cringe.
>>524551591>The US commanded all five of the offensives Ukraine launched. How'd those go?look man I could not have won barbarosa either even Napoleon and Alexander lost in the endretarded wars happened, whats done is done you learn what you can
>>524544758Only the Good Go- Guys™ are allowed to do that!!
>>524551785No it was called north and south korea before the north invaded the south and got wrecked. The china invaded the south and got wrecked.
>>524544031Taiwan may make a renovation (permanent) to the three gorges dam
>>524551767>Your position started as "America wins everything and China loses everything."Literally never said anything like that.>the chinese military is so new that its unstoppable Actually listen to what you're saying.
>>524551001>The US has more than enough sealift for all of that anon.The US Navy disagrees with you. >The US navy regularly operates in the south china sea and the straights of taiwan by the way.In peacetime, with China's permission, the US is able to cruise patrols in international waters. This is not logistically the same as supplying fleet combat operations. Your argument right now is that the US can put one boat there, and there's no difference between one boat at cruise speed and 100 boats at flank speed needing repairs and rearmament. Literally just google US Sealift China and read the US Government's own published analysis.>Whats retarded is thinking that china can operate off the coast of taiwan freely.China is regularly performing mock invasions of the island. If America could do anything about it, they would be lmao.
>>524551835>Schitzo spam. You made the claim OP is nobody. I agree.
>>524551055>None of those countries are ready for a war.All three of those countries are currently winning a war, retard.
>>524551896Let's see them try it and what happens after.
>>524551890>No it was called north and south korealmfao, you are quite literally the dumbest person ive ever talked to here>got wrecked. The china invaded the south and got wrecked.so the goal for the US was to divide the once unified korea and allow north korea to be a buffer? weird, why'd they do that?
>>524551917>You made the claim OP is nobody. I agree.we can all see your posts retard, you said OP was saying china could "yolo" americas navy. why are you even posting here? you should be off shitting up the other threads with your 90 IQ takes
>>524551909>The US Navy disagrees with you.They dont because thats objectively false>In peacetime, with China's permissionAnd we will still be at peace when the navy sails into taipai harbor escorting a fleet of transports. Just as they often do now.>China is regularly performing mock invasions of the island.I think you mean cope training for domestic consumption. Taiwan is a fortress and ukraine proved far less well equipped countries than taiwan can wreck any attempts as blockade and invasions by sea. China is never gonna invade taiwan. They would need years of blockade and bombing to even degrade the defenses enough to make an attempt.
>>524544031taiwan is a bunch of narco terrorist, so this is ok by international law
>>524551931Russia is and its army consists of two man squads riding donkeys. They arent ready for war anymore. Too many losses.
>>524550487the ones covered in the least amount of feces
>>524551859>anti ship missilesA2/AD involves more than those, especially given advances in ISTAR and drone warfare, even the US AirSea Batlle doctrine may now be outdated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirSea_Battle>the US navy is content to lose their trillion dollar carriers to chink missilesThe issue is that those carriers are getting harder to defend with each passing day, while US doctrine wrt China's containment keeps revolving around them
>>524552024So you agree with me that when the US navy sails right past the chink fleet and its "blockade" they wont do anything?
>>524552132>bix nood yolo mufugga
>>524551113>Somehow their military, which is advised by the US and others, is more capable than the US? Why?Because the US gave those militaries its stockpiled equipment and then those militaries actually saw combat. Meanwhile the US military has less manpower, depleted euqipment stockpiles, and manpower that consists of hostile foreigners who can get out of discipline by accusing their NCOs of racism. You think the United States Mulatto Corps has personell of equal quality to Azov?>Muh drones?Yes.>Like what facets of Ukraine specifically make it that important that you are infinitely more capable in learning than anything ten or twenty years ago?Ukraine and Russia have fought against Peers. America hasn't. Ukraine and Russia can fight without air superiority. America can't.Ukraine and Russia have mass production of FPV, Baba-yaga, anti-armor, and Shahed-style drones. These were the second largest casualty producing elements on the battlefield last year, behind artillery. Now they're either neck and neck or first place. America doesn't have the MIC capability to mass produce them, and lacks the trade skills to operate an EW unit to support them. America also doesn't have enough artillery production to support a war.
>>524551980To establish a foothold in the region
>>524551118>The US army has decades of recent combat experience.The US has no peer combat experience. The US Military has several failed occupations and a few small unit engagements.>Russia has a few years of experience in getting its ass kicked and china has no experience at all.China and Russia are both currently winning a war against NATO forces.>china's cope blockade ends the moment the US navy decides to run the blockade.America is not able to win surface combat off China's coast. You are delusional.
>>524552170Answer the question anon.
>>524552216jfc
>>524544031>a blockade (temporary)what could this possibly accomplish? Go big or go homeI think it's legitimately just military exercises, but if it's a cover for something else, the something else should be an invasion or a full siege or something else that could actually lead to Taiwanese surrender. China doesn't really gain anything from just disrupting Taiwanese trade until the US fleet arrives
>>524552099retard>>524552099>Too many losses.no
>>524552123Then why are china building carriers? If they're so indefensible.>>524552192>no us military advisors are drafting intelligence out of the conflict >the us has no prior drone or anti drone capabilities whatsoever
>>524552247>The US has no peer combat experience.Wrong>China and Russia are both currently winning a war against NATO forces.Russia isn't winning and china isn't even involved>America is not able to win surface combat off China's coast. Good thing the fight will be off taiwans coast then.
>>524551890Let me give you a small history lesson>north invades south, south collapses very fast and only last pocket of resistance has their back to the sea. US/UN intervenes and pushes north korea all the way back to the chinese border>china gets involved and pushes the us and sk forces back to the 38th parallel>enter todays stalemate with only a ceasefire signed in 1953 keeping it from popping of again
>>524552253why dont you wanna talk about korea or chechnya now? do you normally win arguments by just changing the subject?
>>524551896there is no need for genocide good subs are largely what an island needs
>>524552270Russia is ready to conquor europe huh?
>>524544031>The genius 5D military tactician President Donald Trump fumbles the number one chip producer in the world while rattling sabers with Venezuela
>>524552410>conquor
>>524551128>The USA has bombersChina has modern air defenses and the world's largest air force. American naval air power was defeated in Yemen and off the coast of North Korea just in the last two years.>China's going to lose a proportionately high number of surface combatantsTo what? Are you under the impression the US can cross the pacific, win air-naval combat inside of Chinese air defenses, and then fly back without losses? The US barely has the fuel logistics for cross-pacific combat, retard.>China cannot respond to B-52H spamChina has a larger air force and has modern air defenses. The US does not have modern air defenses. What AD the US did have was completely depleted in 12 (twelve) days of combat with Iran.>China is going to have the same problems the UK had in the Falklands war where it's losing ships every single day.China accounts for almost all human production of ships. They can afford to lose ships. America cannot.>Losing thousands of Chinese every single day while the enemy removes your surface combatantsYou understand the Chinese will shoot back, right? Your fantasy scenario is retarded. What do you think would be happening in the Americas, where China currently has multiple divisions of PLA stationed? What would be going on in California where Chinese dual citizens are in government positions? At American bases, each of which has Chinese-owned land next to it? At American universities, Where Chinese citizens have a guaranteed 600k slots a year? You fundamentally misunderstand the situation. China has more than a million LOYAL college aged personnel inside of America right now. America, by its own published reckoning, cannot launch the campaign you're describing, and would not win the fight once they arrived. A hostile B-52 inside of Chinese airspace WILL be shot down.
>>524552343You forgot the part where the UN intervened to save south korea and about how china invaded south korea and got wrecked and driven back to the 38th parallel. They literally achieved all of their goals.
>>524552344I want to know if you think the chink navy would fight or cuck when the US navy ignores is cope blockade?
>>524551259>>524551320the man with a 3d printer will be king and everything will just be 3dprintslop.
>>524552518do you normally win arguments by just changing the subject?
>>524552518They'll pee like a little drunken whore. They want to be penetrated.
>>524551384>but it's still experience>America lost against Yemen, that's how I know they can beat China>The DoD is spending gorillions of dollarsAnd?
>>524549787This,they are Chinks after all. A nation that was kept in the cuckcorner by several thousands of Manchurians for a centuries.If mainland Chinks will win battle of Taiwan, they will become automatically obedient for their new commie overlords.
>>524551491>Anyone that thinks china is gonna yolo the us navyIf the US Navy sails into range of China's artillery, missiles forces, and air force with hostile intentions, it will not leave. It will not defeat China's surface fleet, which is larger. And it will not defeat North Korea's subsurface fleet, which is also larger.
>>524552543I will take that as a no they wont fight. They will cuck like the cowards they are. I agree.
>>524552497Its both.Chines and Nork forces pushed SK back to the sea, then US/UN/SK forces pushed them all the way back to the chinese border. Then US/UN/SK forces got pushed back to the 38th parallel.
>>524551588>Even Chinese will fight against ccp.EU memeflag can't even comprehend a government and population being loyal to each other.
>>524552617im glad you could win that argument you had with yourself while masterfully dodging our conversation everyone can read
>>524552603ok chang canton gook nigger
>>524552603The chink surface and subsurface fleet is nowhere near the size of what the US navy has. I think you're actually stupid and believe this cope while other chink shills are just trolling.
>>524550345Cuban crisis but in Taiwan
>>524551601>Literally all victories.The US Retreated under fire from all of those lmao
>>524552624Norks were long gone by then. China took up the commie campaign to invade south korea and they lost badly. The UN achieved all of its goals and now ccp shills cope because they have no actual wins in their entire history to claim for their own.
>>524552648What argument? You and I agree dont we?
>>524552718Were still in most of them today.
>>524551859>a lot of people seem to be under this assumption that the US navy is content to lose their trillion dollar carriers to chink missiles. That it's somehow their plan in an open conflict.There is no US plan for an open conflict with China precisely because the US would lose its carriers. They wouldn't be able to pass through Panama to get in theater, they wouldn't be safe in the Suez Canal, they wouldn't be safe in Sasebo or the Phillipines. All of these would be easy targets for assets that China has local to those regions. That 's before the carriers in get on station and have to fight a modern navy.
>>524551873So no measurable benefit from the abstract fantasy concept of "Army XP?"
The US is an empire of paper tigers that can't survive without its master's factories. Why? The reality is that the American economy is already a hostage to Chinese manufacturing. If the supply of cheap Chinese goods stops for even a month, US inflation will hit 20% and the entire country will go into a death spiral. Trump isn't going to risk a total domestic collapse and mass riots over a tiny island when their voters can't even afford eggs or fuel. They'll send some strongly worded letters while China takes what it wants. That's all America can do.
SINK THE CHINKFIGHT TONIGHT
>>524552741agree on what? all you're doing is shitting out of your mouth while not even understanding that korea was once united until it was explained to you. you were saying the US won afghanistan, explain how
>>524544929USA announced that they will send all those fancy toys that Zelenskyy wanted for Christmas to Taiwan.This blockade is a consequence.
>>524552858We both agree that the chink navy would never challenge big american cruisers.
>>524551908Here's you saying the modern Chinese military has never won a war: >>524549941Here's you saying the US has the most active military: >>524550531Here's you coping about the US losing in Korea: >>524550119Here's you saying America's military is the largest and most experienced: >>524550822
>>524552929good mindset to have kek
>>524544984we don't defeat anyone stupid ass, we just drop some fucking moabs and go back to bangin' away on darla
>>524552285>Then why are china building carriers? If they're so indefensible.Because they have the shipbuilding capacity to support losing carriers.>The US has prior drone and anti-drone capabilitiesReaper drones failed in Yemen. The US does not have a modern drone production program, nor a corps of tradesmen who could build anything comparable to what Russia or Ukraine have. Your argument right now is "It would be logical for the United States to behave like a serious country, therefore the US has been doing so for the last 20 years and is appropriately prepared." Yeah it would have been fucking great for American leadership to do something other than fuck Americans. But that's not what happened. America's MIC is not a pro-America warfighting industrial machine. It's just another fucking Jewish finance grift that doesn't produce anything. That's how Russia is outproducing the US MIC with 10% of the spending.
>>524552305>Russia isn't winning and china isn't even involvedChina isn't involved in the same way NATO isn't involved. Russian defeats and Ukrainian victories are still moving westward.
>>524552518>I want to know if you think the chink navy would fight or cuck when the US navy ignores is cope blockade?Since you've abandoned the arguments you were losing, this is also an easy one. Go ask any navy friends who have deployed to the region about Chinese vessels playing chicken with American vessels. The Chinese soldiers stand on the bow in their dress uniforms and don't flinch. The American ships are always the ones that turn first. The US military has a recruitment crisis and every ship is understaffed. I find it difficult to believe that you live in America and didn't know about the morale problems facing the entire nation and every institution in it. People are tired of working for the Devil.
>>524552831fuck china kek
>>524553195No not like how nato isn't involved at all. Russia's battlefield performance wouldn't be so pathetic if china was arming it up.> i won even tho I lostThe US navy sails into chink waters nonstop. Theres no fear of the chinks. Oh and the military has been surpassing its recruiting goals for a year now. China not so much.
>>524548949Yeah I thought so too. And it was inching forward but I think they hit a wall thanks to getting too uppity too soon. Taking HK didn't help them either, they just trashed it in a few years and made it clear to the taiwanese were in for buttlovin', arson and boots on the neck if they gave in.I wonder if this is just saber rattling and a distraction for their own populace. They can't be ready to actually kick off any kind of conflict even if US parked their fleet away.
>>524552676>https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/north-korea-submarine-capabilities/Norks have been consistently purchasing subs and have more than the US.>https://archive.is/A1ncDTwo years ago, China was the second largest surface navy by displacement, only counting warships and not counting militarized container ships. Extrapolating based upon their rate of shipbuilding (more than the rest of the world combined), they will have more warships and more displacement this decade than the entire US Navy, still not counting militarized container ships. Keep in mind that the US military often gets rammed by civilian ships in trade routes in deniable situations. Now imagine what's going to US ships trying to arrive on station when every container ship could potentially open fire on them at short range.
>>524553503M8 nork subs are trash tier.>but china build some garbage scowlsSo what? Its combat power is far weaker than the US navy. You're not paying attention to what its building. Its 80 percent transport and coastal defense slop. Pic related alone is more tonnage than the chink fleet builds in years.
>>524552764>America fought against ISIS in Syria. ISIS took over the country and the US now fights for themVictory!>America was forced out of Vietnam and the embassy had to evacuate when America's enemies took the country and the US failed all objectives, but now they let us rent a military baseVictory!>The US tried to take Korea as a base to launch into China to defeat communism. The US was pushed out and South Korea is a collapsing vassal state that will be annexed by the north in the next decade when its demographics collapse.Victory!>AfghanistanUS Retreats in such a panic that US soldiers were holding American citizens at gunpoint in Kabul's airport so that CIA pedophiles could cut in line to get on the first flight out. US Marines then deployed into the city to commandeer a McDonalds so the CIA pedophiles could have happy meals on their flight. All of America's child-traccking narco-terrorist allies were beheaded or died trying to cling to the landing gears of American planesVictory!
>>524553383>if china was arming it up.Where do you think Russia gets the cheap electronics, plastics, and REMs for its drones, retard?>The US navy sails into chink waters nonstop.The US Navy patrols international waters off China's coast in peacetime.>Theres no fear of the chinks.Read the US Government's own published analysis. Or any of America's military thinktank's publications. You have arrived at your position by staring into your bellybutton and analyzing the drool.
>>524544031Shill or Xil doesn't matter they won't do shit.
>>524553627Syria, iraq, and vietnam are all us allies now. Only afghanistan could be called a loss but given we looted the country and left even that is debatable. Especially as the taliban immediately started fighting Iran. China will never be a real hegemon.
>>524545097China needs to blow up which would help billions of people around the world same with North Korea.
>>524553763remember earlier when you said russia bribes chechnya? lol, lmao
>>524553716>Where do you think Russia gets the cheap electronics, plastics, and REMs for its drones, retard?Alibaba and its paying out the ass for what little it gets.>The US Navy patrols international waters off China's coast in peacetime.Xi btfo. Remember he calls all that water chinese territorial waters.>Read the US Government's own published analysis.The stuff designed to get congress to spend more money? Because you're not reading secret warplanes on your brown blogs.
>>524553847Yes thats literally what it does.
>>524553614>M8 nork subs are trash tier.Nork subs work and can sink other subs. American subs don't work and we can't afford to lose any.> Its combat power is far weaker than the US navy.A container ship is harder to sink than a modern warship. A missile deployed from a container ship is just as deadly as the same missile fired from a warship. The difference is that America is unable to fight a war in which someone shoots back. America has no capacity to stay in the fight by replacing losses. You know, like in a war after the industrial revolution?>Pic relatedlost against Yemen>tonnageGerald Ford is 100,000 tonnes of displacement. China puts 35 Million tons of displacement in the water per year. They've decided to start construction on multiple carriers with 80k displacement this year. Your opinions are based on 50 year old propaganda.
>>524553904paying billions in aid to groups in countries to be allies after we spent trillions fighting them. you said earlier russia didnt win in chechnya because of it, now here you are bragging that the west pays for allies now
>>524553763>China will never be a real hegemon.I would tell you to fly over there and say it to their face, but I don't know anyone who can afford a plane ticket or risk taking time off work.
>>524553997Xill is only playing strong in reality 4 of their bridges fall this year alone, more then a 1000 buildings and let me remind to you they didn't have ball pens until 2017 they couldn't manufacture them... China is just what commies always did pretend to be bigger and stronger then everybody when you look behind the curtain it's falling apart and that's why the want Taiwan back no matter what. They won't change their thinking and system they rather raid another country and risk war which could bring annihilation lot of people and all because of stupidity and preservation of something that doesn't work.
>>524553956Russia pays billions to keep its own lands from revolting again. Why it wants muzzies tho idk.
>>524553997Chinks are the softest most cowardly people on earth. A true slave race. Its jeets that get hysterical and violent if you insult indias "power".
>>524554134they also murdered the leader in chechnya then installed a puppet. pretty much a win to me. who was in charge of afghanistan before the US invaded?
>>524553888>China doesn't cooperate with Russia it just uhhhh sells them stuffOkay, then America doesn't cooperate with Israel, we "sell" them equipment too lmao.>Remember he calls all that water chinese territorial waterXi has not claimed the entire Pacific as Chinese territorial waters. There is a border on the territory claimed and America is allowed to sail outside of that border and is escorted away when it tries to sail inside.
>>524553949>Nork subs work and can sink other subs.Nork subs are ancient slop tech that was throw always trash when they were new.>A container ship is harder to sink than a modern warship.Its not and good luck fighting a naval battle with a container ship>lost against YemenWe bombed yemen a few times and they surrendered. >China puts 35 Million tons of displacement in the water per year.Fishing boats and container ships. Not warships. 200k tons is a few years worth of chink warships.
>>524553949>North Korean subs are better than American ones actuallylol lay off the crack pipe.
>>524554197Nope they just pay a warlord to play nice.
>>524554204No we give israel weapons and yes we cooperate extensively because we actually are allies. Russia and china doent do any of that stuff.>Xi has not claimed the entire Pacific as Chinese territorial watersNo, he has claimed the areas the US navy sails around in to prove how weak his claims are tho.
>>524554289North Korean subs are like 200m in water and cracking and they are so loud you would pick them up by ear... he is baiting or leftie retard that thinks commies do everything better.
>>524554113>4 of their bridges fall this year aloneOkay now do America lmao. China is a massive country with an incomprehensible amount of public works.>they didn't have ball pens until 2017 they couldn't manufacture themStories about the past don't really interest me since we're talking about what's really happening right now. America and all its allies working together sent up the ISS. America alienated Russia from the project and now the ISS has to be decomissioned because America can't keep it in orbit. NASA said it's impossible to decommission safely and will leave a trail of burning metal about 1,000 miles long, so they've hired SpaceX to solve the issue (take the blame). China, meanwhile, by itself built Tiangong Space station. China has MagLev trains. China is about to finish the world's first commercial fusion plant. China will overtake the US in fission energy production in the next few years. China has the deepest borehole. China accounts for more than half of human manufacturing.Regarding ball point pens, America still is not able to engineer the tips of ballpoint pens. It's a trade secret guarded by Germany and Japan. China figured it out without help. America didn't. This is a demonstration of China's massive trade skilled population, free flow of startup capital, and ingenuity. China did not start making ballpoint pens in 2017. They figured out the mass production process for the tips that year.
>>524544031the world must be cleansed of sub human scum
>>524554292they killed his dad retard, i bet you read with your finger
>>524554474>Now do america. China is a massive country with an incomprehensible amount of public works.Bridges made of corncobs that fall down. Funfact the US has more miles of track than any country on earth including china. We have by far more infrastructure than the chinks. We have for ages.
>>524552285>Then why are china building carriers? If they're so indefensible.They're not indefensible, just becoming more difficult (and expensive) to defend, especially when projecting power over long distancesAnd China is 1) building them for deterrence, to get roughly on par with the 11 US carriers 2) also building hybrid warships with EMALS capability and 3) expecting to deploy them close to home only (for now)
>>524554512And now they pay him to not kill them.
>>524554585so the US is paying a taliban tax? at least its not as bad as the israel tax
Just doing what Pelosi enabled, thanks Nancy
>>524552255>China doesn't really gain anything from just disrupting Taiwanese trade until the US fleet arrivesyes they do, they delegitimize us security grantees , make the threat of invasion much more creditable and can test the resolve of the west, and again it may only be like a day or week long blockade
>>524554183>Chinks are the softest most cowardly people on earth.Of the 10 deadliest wars in history, 8 were Chinese civil wars. The Chinese people have a capacity for enduring loss. America does not have "An American People" and lacks the moral courage to deal with its rampant cartel problems or the feral niggers controlling whole quarters of every city.
>>524544031The 'may' also be planning a large plate of #14 (stir fry beef with cashews)
>>524554662Maybe. I sometimes wonder if the taliban are on the CIA payroll. There were a lot of afghan terrorists attacks in iran when israel was bombing them.
>>524554680AHHH YOU FORCED ME TO RAPE HOW COULD YOU DO THISSSSSSSSSSSSS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>524554569Wrong. The Jews tricked the Chinese into investing into a useless techonlogy. All Aircraft carriers will be sunk in 10 seconds when a war starts by Hyper-Super Sonic Anti-Ship missiles
>>524554289North Korea can afford to lose subs and they are valid combatants agaisnt American subs and there are more of them. You can piss and moan about this, but the fact remains that American subs cannot safely engage in hostilities inside of China's territorial waters because they are outgunned and outnumbered and will be detected.
>>524554719you dopamine riddle zoomers on this site want a title like >china is about to 100% RAPE taiwan and turn it into Xi's epstein island unlikely things happen all the time and likely things do not
>>524554775Valid targets maybe.
>>524554339>No, he has claimed the areas the US navy sails around inCoincidentally, these areas happen to be within 300 miles of his coastline. The US Navy is unable to stay in this area and withdraws when challenged. In your mind, this proves that America can win a surface battle in that region?
>>524554716I'll be honest with you chang. If the chinese people of today were asked to endure any hardship for Xi the ccp would probably be quickly overthrown in another one of those civil wars.
>>524549787>Taiwanese have no balls for an insurgency.Yeah, and the Ukrainians will accept the Russians as heros. Dumbass, you'd take that chance just like Putin did.
>>524554849You deny the claims of glorious china to the south china sea and the straights of taiwan?
>>524554741That remains to be proven, and doesn't really matter for the deterrence factor. In any case, joke's on them as China leads in hypersonics too
Taiwan? Want to play 51st State in my movie?
>>524554902>as China leads in hypersonicsNo not really
>>524555032>always underestimate your enemytell us more about your hypersonics research anon
>>524555119Why dont you just look it up? Theres plenty of headlines and articles when they do tests. The last chink test missed it target by 50 miles by the way.
>>524554563You said China has 4 bridge collapses a year? America has 128.>https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3187&context=etd>the estimated average annual bridge collapse rate in the United States is between 87 and 222 with an expected value of 128>the US has more miles of track than any country on earthBragging about American rail online is possibly the stupidest position you could take. America's infrastructure is over 100 years old and crumbling. China's infrastructure is new. It's a huge country with a lot of people in it, and I'm not denying that there are construction scandals. But the reason you're aware of these is because of Chinese whistleblowers. American houses are made out of cardboard and come with mold pre-installed and it's legal and normal.>We have by far more infrastructure than the chinks.How much HSR does the US have? China leads the world in this. Where are America's MagLev trains? By the way, are you only counting rail built by China inside of China? Is Belt and Road infrastructure not being counted there? Or the rail and roads they're building in Africa? America can barely fix its own potholes and doesn't have high-PSI concrete. China does. The one stat you could find to brag about is that America has 100 year old rusted shit sitting in the woods and can't keep its high traffic lines from derailing.
>>524555194>Theres plenty of headlinesi'm sure you read them too! how many headlines have you read this week?
>>524555267On /pol/? Countless slop headlines.
>>524555194oh shit bro how come this came up instead>China leads the world in the development, testing, and deployment of hypersonic weapons, according to multiple U.S. defense intelligence analysts and reports. This leadership is attributed to two decades of focused investment, extensive research and development infrastructure—including advanced wind tunnels like the JF-22—and the successful fielding of operational systems such as the DF-17 hypersonic glide vehicle and the YJ-21 naval anti-ship missile. China is described as possessing the world’s "leading hypersonic arsenal," with capabilities in both conventional and nuclear-armed systems.
>>524555119hyperwaffen are only going to threaten a carrier group if China puts a nuke on it (and even then it might still miss), and in that case its not much different than launching an ICBM and China will get glassed from every direction in response
>>524555319>Countless slop headlines.sounds like a solid foundation for your opinions, carry on kek
>>524555266I didn't say china has 4 collapses a year. My bet is 4 collapses a day.>seething about americas vast infrastructureYeah thats normal for turdies and poor countries>How much HSR does the US have? All it needs. Its nice that chinks make due with antiquated white technology.
>>524544498Mate 3 USCG's got chased away by the houthi's in a row, with the last one costing a multi-billion dollar jet for the last one.On top of that, their nigger/women captains keep crashing ships into each other during training missions, they're fucked in a real conflict.
>>524555371Yeah headlines like china is rising like the OP are always dubious. We all know china is falling.
>>524545355>seeing the reality of how fucked the US = defeatistAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAH cope harder glownigger.
>>524555266>China's infrastructure is new.so was that megabridge that collapse in a month, lol, shill more you 39 pbtid tencenter microdick chink
>>524555434dont worry some slop headlines will make you feel good soon buddy. make sure to read the whole headline even if you use your finger
>>524545097Bro, you're losing a war against a country that has no navy or air force. So shut the fuck up and let the people from actual super powers talk, ok?
>>524555320Because an icbm isn't a hypersonic missile. Ofc china has icbms and so has america for decades. Neither china nor the US have any fielded models of those but both are working on them. The US versions are way more ambitious and high tech than the more conventional chink designs.
>>524545538>Your mother was a dogfucked whore who was raped on by every animal on the road to her village. excellent of you to blow your cover, agent zhang
>>524554860The country was completely shut down by COVID and this fantasy didn't happen. You and I grew up in a mixed race shithole where we are governed by racial enemies, so this next part might be hard for you to imagine. Racially homogenous nations actually have some degree of trust in their leadership and therefore can endure hardship. America has 300 million people. 1/6th of them are hostile foreigners. 1/20 are feral niggers roaming no go zones with machetes. About 1/8 even identify as American, and they're mutts who unironically think that's an ethnicity. About 25% of American households have no income, meaning the entire household is NEET.China has 1.8 Billion people, and if only the top 16% participate in the war in any capacity, that's 300 Million men. So the fact you found a webm of one retard out of 1.8 billion doesn't really mean anything.
>>524555480You seem really butthurt by the fact that the information you seek is publicly available.
>>524555032You're a fucking idiot, but keep coping. It's funny
>>524555532China has yet to recover from covid. The chinese are not a warlike people. They do not endure hardship for the glory of their masters. All those wars you spoke about are wars where the people killed their masters because of minor hardship.
>>524555509>Because an icbm isn't a hypersonic missile.what are you talking about lmao you really dont know about this and shouldnt just vomit out retarded opinions>>524555537yet when i search, everything keeps saying you're wrong, including the US intelligence, so why not WOW me with your research based on slop headlines?
>>524549941US ships are famous for crashing into each other, and fleeing in terror from the houthis lmao cope harder though, it's quite amusing.
>>524555588see>>524555194and>>524555509Guess you didnt know that.
>>524554873>and the Ukrainians will accept the Russians as herosUkrainian disapora overwhelmingly chose Russia as the country to flee to. All independent polling in the country favors a surrender. Their military recruitment consists entirely of kidnapping people off the street. Elections are permanently suspended so that the CIA installed non-Ukrainian president can continue the war against the wishes of the Ukrainian people. The Ukrainian armed forces own published numbers show that they've lost more men to desertion and surrender EACH than they've taken in casualties. The territories Russia annexed democratically voted to join them.If you're really in America, just go to your local Orthodox Church and ask the Ukrainians there. They'll tell you.
>>524555597You listed icbms as examples of hypersonic tech.>>524555597I'm sure you really did all that in the ten seconds you spend in between seething replies. Maybe try not searching chink internet then. They tend to censor bad news.
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>>524555646>Ukrainian disapora overwhelmingly chose Russia as the country to flee to.No they didnt.
>>524555701Then america sails in chink waters regularly. Thank you for proving my point.
>>524555700>You listed icbms as examples of hypersonic tech.>DF-17 hypersonic glide vehicle>I'm sure you really did all that in the ten secondsyes, if you did that you might learn
>>524544031GO BACK TO jEWLAND YA FOOL
>>524555032The conversation is a comparison of China and America. That anon can reasonably be understood to mean that China is ahead of America in hyperonics. Which is correct, since America doesn't have Hypersonic prototypes while China and its allies have hypersonics mass production.
>>524555729depends on which Ukrainians.where people went is very much determined by politics, Donbass and pro-Russia people went to Russia, pro-NATO ones went to the west. The conflict there is also a civil war.if Russia has more overall numbers it's probably relates to the pro-Russian territory being on the front lines rather than majority support.
>>524550584>that Taiwan is inaccessible for most of the year?for them to use their new landing crafts ah yeah, and the implication of my post suggesting a blockade would say i dont think there will be human waves
>>524544929this is hohol under VPN
Why do jews keep trying to instigate wars?>What a pack of schizos
>>524551227You haven't won a single insurgent war at all though>iraq still has insurgent activity>You got completely chased out of Afghanistab, replacing the taliban with a better armed taliban>can't wrangle cartel activity ON YOUR OWN FUCKING SOIL>got chased away by the Houthi's 3 times, and had to negotiate with the houthi's so they would stop pelting you with drones and missiles so you could flee safely
>>524555773Thats an ballistic missile anon. Very conventional tech.
Chinese fighter jets flew over my house!
>>524555394>America wins all its wars>Okay, so we lost that one, but we didn't NEED to win, and besides we're the best at X>Oh, we aren't the best at X? Well, we didn't NEED to be, but at least we're the best at Yad nauseum. 4chan is a safe space where you can admit that you mouthed off without knowing anything. But if you're going to keep acting like a woman then post your bitch tits you flabby fuck.
>>524555805Its not correct tho. America and china both have prototypes and test them on occasion. China doesnt mass produce any nor do its allies. As if china has allies.
>>524555890https://nationalsecurityjournal.org/who-has-fastest-hypersonic-missile-russia-china-or-us/holy fuck you're retarded, your own military disagrees with you. show your research already then
>>524544031>>524544031>time until surrounding waters are blockaded:>....
>>524555917America hasn't lost any wars. Thats why it rules the world and chinks seethe about american might. If it was constantly losing it wouldn't have all this power and control.
>>524555959
>>524555943China leads the world in developing, testing and deploying hypersonic weapons, beating out Russia while the US, having already spent $12 billion, has yet to field even one. The weapons can travel five times the speed of sound, making interception by existing defensive systems difficult at best. China, senior US defense intelligence analyst Jeffery McCormick told Congress Tuesday, has the world’s “leading hypersonic arsenal” thanks to Beijing’s two-decade long effort “to dramatically advance its development of conventional and nuclear-armed technologies and capabilities through intense and focused investment, development, testing and deployments.”
>>524555955Russia doesn't have any hypersonic missiles at all.https://thediplomat.com/2024/01/china-evaluates-russias-use-of-hypersonic-daggers-in-the-ukraine-war/
>>524556050>time to change the topickek
>>524555354>hyperwaffen are only going to threaten a carrier group if China puts a nuke on itAny hit on a modern American warship removes it from combat operations for years, even if it doesn't sink.>China will get glassedChina has air defence and its own nuclear arsenal and is allied with other nuclear armed states who view NATO as an existential threat.
>>524556024China hasn't deployed any and what its testing isn't that impressive. Basic design with limited capabilities and still misses its target by hundreds of miles.
>>524556050>now he's straight up lyinglol. LMAO evenm Just take the L you stupid fucking nigger holy shit
>>524556068So you give up when china tells you russia has nothing? Yeah I knew you would take their word for it.
>>524556118>The PLA is lyingProof?
>>524545097The chinese plan is the same as the american plan to beat USSR. That is to out spend. They have done these operations before like they mention in the OP and they will keep doing them. Taiwan can't afford to respond and they will eventually collapse. If they stop responding then they start pushing the boundaries. Taiwan like most countries produces enough food to feed everyone on the island trough a blockade so no one would starve if they actually started shooting which they obviously won't.
>>524555474America loses 128 bridges a year. You can point to 1 construction scandal in China. Go to Flint, Michigan and tell them how great American infrastructure is.
>>524555489> let the people from actual super powers talk, ok?You're flying an EU flag and deluding yourself that Ukraine fights alone and is winning.
>>524556186The water in flint is cleaner than any water in china.
>>524555509>The US versions are way more ambitiousThe US versions are concept art and a wishlist. They don't exist. China's Hypersonic missiles actually exist. So do Iran's. Iranian missiles defeated all of America's best air defense systems in a 12 day war. And you're online pretending the US navy cand defend itself within artillery and airstrike range of mainland China?
>>524556332No the US has testing prototypes like the chinks do. Yes they more exotic designs but thats what you expect from white innovation. Superior stuff.
>>524555594>China has yet to recover from covid.China resumed being most of humanity's industrial capacity, foremost space program, and leading Fusion industry. they're also more than half of all global shipbuilding. America didn't recover from COVID.>The chinese are not a warlike people.>They do not endure hardship for the glory of their masters.False. You should really try learning basic introductory facts about things before discussingthem.> All those wars you spoke about are wars where the people killed their mastersAlso false
>>524555729Yes, they did. The low estimate for Ukrainians who fled to Russia is the UN's positive ID on 2.5 Million. Russia's estimate is 5 Million.The next largest cohort is about 1 Million who went to Germany.
>>524544929>10x worse than what israel has done in gazaChina does that daily when they eat cats and dogs
>>524556432>foremost space program, and leading Fusion industry.lol no. I like that you mix truth with lies tho. Most shills only lie and it makes their posts less credible.
>>524555765>America is allowed to patrol international waters but gets escorted out of Chinese waters>This proves my point that America can take over China's coastline
>>524555773ICBM means Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile.Ballistic meaning non-orbital trajectory. An ICBM can be Hypersonic or Supersonic or slow. A Hypersonic missile can have a variety of ranges, stages, and burns.
>>524556502Sources seem to differ. Maybe every russian speaker in ukraine is dead or fled to moscow as you say but that kinda invalidates russias territorial claims then.https://data.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine
>>524556142>Proof he's lying?>https://thediplomat.com/2024/01/china-evaluates-russias-use-of-hypersonic-daggers-in-the-ukraine-war/>By Lyle Goldstein
>>524556535The US isn't escorted out. Is hold wargames in chinese territorial wars for extended periods. China isn't a strong and aggressive as you claim.
>>524556665Its quoted in the article. It links to the original chink report too you know. Its not an opinion piece by lyle.
>>524556419>No the US has testing prototypes like the chinks doThe US does not have any functional Hypersonic prototypes. China has mass production. China's allies have mass production of a variety of models. North Korea has stealthy hypersonic maneuverable glide vehicles that can abort their hypersonic dives. America has fanfiction.>More exotic designsNo.>white innovationAmerica is not White.
>>524556813They're as functional as what china has. Meaning early prototypes. China isn't fielding any hypersonic missiles. You're confusing new tech with old ballistic missiles that by their very nature are capable of hypersonic speeds.
>>524556813Oh and whiter than you chang.
>>524556650>Maybe every russian speaker in ukraine is dead or fled to moscowIt's trivially easy to fudge the stats on who's a Russian speaker vs. Ukrainian speaker. The languages have hardly differentiated. An appalachian windtalker and a Bostonite and a Californian are all speaking English, but could be redefined into different ethnic categories by their varied jargon and pronunciation if one was so inclined. The fact remains that Ukrainian citizens who fled Ukraine during the war preferentially chose Russia as their safe Haven. This supports my earlier point that Ukrainians find more in common with the Russian state and their Soviet comrades than they do with the Jewish Tyrant that their historical western enemies forced on them. There are certainly Ukrainians who want to die for Zelenski's right to ethnically cleanse the Donbas. Enough to form a functional government and military. They do not, however, represent the popular majority in a democratic sense.
>>524556957I mean the war in confined to the donbas where all the russians lived so It make sense they would all run off. Especially as the donbas republics have full 16 to 60 conscription and almost every town in the region is a totally destroyed ruin.
>>524556767>Bro just trust Goldst- I mean Lyle.>He heard a secondhand rumor that someone in China thinks Russia doesn't have HypersonicsThe Khinzal exists and moves at Mach 10.
>>524557123The PLA itself issued the report. Believe them or dont. Considering even china doesn't have that tech operational and russia is hardly a high tech powerhouse and those missiles are regularly intercepted by old patriot missiles I would say the PLA is correct in its assessments.
Taiwan is preparing to rejoin China peacefully. Amerikikes can seethe all they want, but their war is not going to happen.
>>524556920>They're as functional as what china has.America does not have missiles to fire at China that move at Mach 10+. China does have many, many missiles to fire at Americans that move at Mach 10+.>China only has early prototypes.China is allied with Iran, North Korea, and Russia, all of whom mass produce a variety hypersonic munitions. China's own domestic HGVs entered service 6 years ago.>You're confusing new tech with old ballistic missiles that by their very nature are capable of hypersonic speeds.Hypersonic refers to a velocity which America is not capable of while its adversaries are. This capability allowed Iran to dismantle the Iron Dome in 12 days. America's fleets do not have better air defenses than the Iron Dome. This is why America had to negotiate with Yemen just to be allowed to retreat safely. Because Yemen has missiles whose speed America has to cope about with word games.
>>524556940>whiter than you chang.America is darker than China. I am Whiter than you, though.
>>524557098>Those Ukrainians don't count, those are Russians not real Ukrainians, they're only fleeing to Russia to avoid Russian conscription, and that's why Russia shouldn't be allowed to let those Russians democratically join them
>>524557255>Considering even china doesn't have that tech operationalChina has mass production of HGVs that entered service in 2019>and russia is hardly a high tech powerhouseRussia's withdrawal from the ISS is the reason the station has to be decommissioned. Russia revolutionized warfare and has a much better tradie population than the US.>and those missiles are regularly intercepted by old patriot missilesSome cruise missiles have been intercepted before their hypersonic stage, yes. This does not demonstrate that the patriot system can defend itself from a hypersonic attack. To the contrary, Patriot was unable to defend itself in Tel Aviv.>I would say the PLA is correct in its assessments.You would say that the second hand rumor given to you by a Jew is more reliable than the objective observable fact that Russia mass produces munitions which move at Mach 10.
>>524557328Missile that move at mach ten are decades old tech. pic related>China is allied with Iran, North Korea, and Russia, Its not allied to any of them. Thats why they did fuck all when america bombed iran.>Hypersonic refers to a velocity Nope pic related again. Hypersonic speeds have been a thing for decades. When people talk about hypersonic missiles they are talking about new tech, super maneuverable, low flying, often using scramjet engines and ai. All cutting edge stuff. Third world shitholes like iran and russia arent building that.
>>524557546>>524557406>>524557351Stop spamming cope anon. We didnt all buy a pass to shill for china.
>>524557676>82 pbtid>all him dancing around arguments and changing the topic like a tardjfc lmao
>>524557711>36 posts and all trollingYeah I can handle your whole shill squad change because you're idiots.
>>524557807the cope is hilarious, you think slowly and its obvious to everyone else.
>>524557873>Facts are copeInteresting take Chang. Why are you even upset. We agree that china wont do shit and that the pla says russia has no advanced missiles.
>>524557999>We agree that china wont do shit and that the pla says russia has no advanced missiles.kek remember your first 60 posts? fuck man you come off slow here too
>>524557999>84 posts by this ID
>>524558057Yeah where we agreed that chinese navy wouldn't do anything to stop a the us navy breaking their blockade.
>>524558123>14 posts of copeShill teams always get mad when they cant flood the thread with their lies unopposed.
Why can't Taiwan just buy nukes
>>524558223If Japan is getting them too let them be Nuclear Armed.
