This meme from 4chan has permeated into real life so much that all of my normie friends won't shut up about seed oils. I avoid fried/junk food, but I don't see why seed oils are even bad, especially something like cold-pressed rapeseed oil.Everything I have looked at online seems to say they are safe - am I missing something?
>>524563376I farted and a sneed oil squirted out.
if you were actually eating healthy i dont see how hard it would be to avoid seed oil
>I don't see why seed oils are even bad, especially something like cold-pressed rapeseed oil.LowIQ normies can't understand what correlation or causation are. They do things like eat 1200 in a single sandwich and then blame the seed oils for 'making them fat'. Really it's an overall poor level of nutritional education, most people have NO idea how the fuck to feed themselves, doctors included these days.The truth about fats (any fat) is that too much is a BAD thing.
>>524563376>rapeseedPls be professional and call it canola oil. This is a family-friendly space, okay? Nobody wants to hear you talking about horrific crimes like rape.
>>524563376https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipofuscin
>>524563376It's this guys fault.
>>524563880This guy says fish oil is bad for you, he's a complete retard. The evidence is endless that is false. I am sure some fan of his will reply to me and say no actually never eat fish or take fish oil it's really bad bro!!!There is a difference between questioning pharma companies and mainstream opinions vs literally believing false information being a contrarian.
>>524563376>MUH STUDIEShow about FUCK YOU and your population studies, you don't fucking get anything right and I have never heard a mea culpa for all the shit you got wrong.>b-b-but it's the best we've gotHow about fuck you
>>524563500My question is why avoid them
>>524563601Yep, this seems to be the case. I just find it weird how people's entire careers are built around this anti-seed oil stuff, yet it is easy to lookup that there doesn't seem to be any directly negative effectsI am talking about people like this guyhttps://www.youtube.com/@santacruzmedicinalss
>>524564187Typically for the people claiming some stupid shit like that they know their 'audience' is too dumb to get it, and then they sell them a 'cure' (their product) as a result of engaging them with this stupidity.Boomers used to do this with hippie stuff, and now it's apparently moved on to 'seed oils' or whatever.
Seeds are toxic. Almost contain cyanide. Canola oil is motor lubricant. None of it is part of a human's natural diet.
>>524563376>amerilards eat 3000kcal a day in seed oils alone>any amount of seed oil is bad
>>524564376>Canola oil is motor lubricantit is made in a totally different way and the motor oil version is not edible.I guess you are kind of answering my question though - people just repeat stuff they hear or read without giving it any thought or even googling
>>524563376goyslop has GMO sneed oils, which are bad. S-o-ybean oil but any oil in the goyslop is tainted. Organic olive olive, avocado, coconut, rapeseed, sesame, etc are fine. You just want to avoid the gmo variants. If you are cooking healthy meals at home, youre already ahead of the game.
>>524563376Theyre not bad in themselves and some might have some small health benefits, but sunflower oil has a low smoke point and should not be cooked with. Seed oils are probably the worst when putting them in comparison to animal fats and fruit oils but that doesn't mean they're bad.
>Everything I have looked at online seems to say they are safe - am I missing something?It's one of those "it came to me in a dream" sort of intuitions. If it's one of the primary ingredients that you only find in fast food and hyper processed goyslop in the snack aisle at the grocery store, it's probably bad for you. If everything on the first page of Google recommends it, it's probably bad for you
>>524563376Use common sense. See how they're made. Even with all the solvents, bleaching and de-odoring they still taste bad. Skip any processing step and no amount of propaganda could convince anyone that disgusting slop isn't poison.One reason they still taste bad is they're already rancid. Some steps in the process make it rancid, other steps try to remove those free fatty acids but you can't remove 100%. Like you can't remove all the hexane either.Seed oil fats are made for plants, not humans or other animals. They literally don't belong in your body. The mistake is thinking it's all just calories whereas lipids have a multitude of important functions. Do you want to your cell membranes to be more plantlike or animalkind?It's not just the fats that have no place in the human body. You're getting plant sterols, plant vitamins (like K1 when you need K2) and who knows what.Are you a plant or an animal?
Because PUFAs are linked to inflammation, and inflammation is linked to a million chronic problems. 4chan picked it up from elsewhere, it didn’t invent it, you need to take a break from this shit board for a while, perhaps.The topic was muddied by normies, RFK and diet industry people who made it all about weight loss, when it was never actually about that.
>>524565254>PUFAs are linked to inflammationthat is processed foods, not the seed oils themselves though>see how they're madebleaching or deodorising doesn’t automatically make it toxic... why are they bad exactly? what does consuming them cause?
>>524563376Argument 2 is fair game, but still not an argument in favor of seed oils.Also the fact that there's such a pushback against >You shouldn't eat this particular kind of ingredient, it's unhealthymakes me think there's probably some truth to it.You do not see people endlessly writing articles about meat & milk actually being healthy, because there's no need to do so. Anyone sane knows those are healthy things to eat.
>>524564376Lol you're the exact type of retard that falls for this shit. They eat way more seed oils in Asia yet everyone there is skinnier and healthier than the typical Amerifat.>B... but they used to use it as mechanical lubricant Not an argument or evidence of anything.
>>524564685>S-o-ybean oilWhy did you write ꜱoybean oil like that?
it's not a 4chan meme ding dong.
>>524563376>This meme from 4chanit's not a meme and it doesn't come from 4chanits a psy-opyears ago (((they))) made enemies with butterbefore that it was eggs(((they))) just want to destroy free market. you must go to a supermarket and get government approved food there, you are forbiden to go to your local farmer
>>524566444for us normal plebs it gets filtered onions
diet scares like this are the work of Big Farma
>>524563974there's all kinds of evidence that fish oil is bad for you. there is no need for it unless you are at extreme arctic latitudes. and fish oil is one of the most polluted substances in the world. https://www.drmcdougall.com/education/nutrition/vegetable-fish-oils/another point worth making is that fish do not make these "desirable" fats themselves, they originate in the plants they eat. so just eat the plants without the fat! simple as! and they are better for you too.https://youtu.be/8eHnwCJwDzk?t=641this is set to when he begins the slide show. he has many similar lectures in which he examines the evidence of what we know about how fats work, where they come from, and what the body does with them. all free oils have an effect on the blood, in that they cause the platelets to glom together for about 24 hours, making the blood very sludgy. fats and oils also cause insulin resistance, and also need to be stored as body fat before they can be usedand you will find that people take your arguments more seriously when you can provide evidence of your claims>>524564283sad but true>>524564376>motor lubricantwater? like from the toilet?>>524565212this type of "logic" is exemplary of the problem>we are animul so only eat animuland seed oil is not rancid by default, but it can become so.i once knew a romanian that said if you drink red wine, you sometimes have to make sure and drink white wine, because red wine makes red blood cells and white wine makes white blood cells, and it's bad to let them get out of balance. protip: the animals eat the plants with the fats, which then become animal fat. it all comes from plants if you follow the chain. if that is the case, how come all the animals aren't sick from eating plants?you are just repeating marketing. look into the things you stated as individual hypotheses and then TEST THEM
>>524566399check>You do not see people endlessly writing articles about meat & milk actually being healthy, because there's no need to do so. Anyone sane knows those are healthy things to eat.wtf yes you do, it's all over the place. paleo and carnivore and keto are all over this topic all day every day and getting paid out the ass by the meat industry. https://youtu.be/ks0hHmkXXuothis just dropped 2 days ago, 27 paleofags all got bloodwork done on their paleo diet, and then on mediterranian diet. sorry about the total fruit doing the presentation, but data is data.
>>524563376>>524563462The difference between us and nips is probably mostly portion sizes.
>>524563376Seed oils are inflammatory and olive oil is the safest oil to cook in, because despite having the lowest smoke point, it doesn't produce anywhere near as many phytolates as the other do with their higher smoke point.Tallow is king though.
>>524563462>locals have adapted all their enzymes to these specific fermented oils>I can't understand why unfermented oils back home are so hard to digest
>>524563376>am I missing something?About 30 IQ points.>Everything I have looked at online seems to say they are safeYeah, everything you look at online says the vaxx is safe and effective too. Maybe you should go get a 5th booster.
>>524569006>ugh they're bad for you... because this OTHER thing is bad for you!!!Lmao @ you retard.
>>524566444Holy shit this guy can triforce.
>>524563462>>524568789>>524568949The difference is she's a fucking retard making shit up. Japan's seed oil consumption is less than 1/3rd of the US.
>>524569173>I have no argument so I will lie about what you saidVery compelling pilpul, Chaim. Your rabbi must be proud.
>>524563728sounds like someone wants to get raped.
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>>524568883>Seed oils are inflammatorythey're not inherently inflammatory though. a simple web search reveals this.
>>524569279Ofc, but the type of oil is important too.American oils (most here too, no worries) are chemically separated in factories using different mixtures and products to force a reaction.The typical Asian oils have all been fermented, and the important part there is that fermentation pre-digests the oil for you while eliminating phyto-estrogens and other toxins from the resource.In addition, eating culture itself is different. When you see a big bowl of oil in Japan, most people would think the Japanese are drinking the whole bowl. It's not unheard of for those bowls to go back to the kitchen half-full, because the oiliness is there for flavour, and doesn't get consumed all the way.By contrast, Americans love to clean their plate and empty their bowls. They don't just use more oil, they consume all of it, while the Japanese don't consume every drop that's served.
>>524569006ok.... so why are seed oils bad and what do they cause if you consume them then?
>>524569875I'm skipping most of the processes yes, and different blood types / haplogroups have different batteries of bacteria and enzymes which can digest them better or worse.
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>>524569938Because linoleic acid peroxidizes into 4-hydroxynonenol. 4-HNE is a highly toxic aldehyde that causes multiple diseases. It is the sole and exclusive cause of type 2 diabetes, where it damages pancreatic islet cells responsible for glucagon production, causing them to produce glucagon constantly. It is a major cause of CVD, where it damages the arterial wall cells in high pressure arterial zones, causing "plaque". It is also very likely to be a major cause of Alzheimer's, hence its association with type 2 diabetes.
>>524569900There are no fermented oils in Japan. Quit making shit up. It is literally just that they eat less than 1/3rd of what we eat. When our consumption was 1/3rd of what it is today, we were all thin too.
>>524563462they don't have great skin in asia it's pale and shows no color it's like an embalmed cadaver
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17923822/>Israeli 'cancer shift' over heart disease mortality may be led by greater risk in women with high intake of n-6 fatty acids >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8960090/>Diet and disease--the Israeli paradox: possible dangers of a high omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acid diet getting rekt by your commitment to industrial culture? aint that a bitch
>>524570793>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/972020/> Unsaturated fatty acids in adipose tissue of Israeli Jews >The ratio of polyunsaturated to saturated fatty acids in the adipose tissue of Israelis was found to be 0.88 for Ashkenazic Jews and 1.13 for non-Ashkenazic Jews, the highest reported for any population on a free-choice diet. Despite the unusually high ratios, indicating a high consumption of polyunsaturated fat, there is nevertheless, a relatively high incidence of ischemic heart disease among Israelis. >high incidence of ischemic heart disease among Israelis.damn when you fall for your own propaganda hits different
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>>524563376Idk. I've been looking into it. I'm a general manager at steak and shake in Florida.I come home now from steak and shake since we switched and my doggo is always licking my hands now before he didn't give a fuck and now we have ant problems because they like the beef fat. Not once in 12 years did ants every try to steal our vegetable oilThen I went down the rabbit hole and I see no animal will eat any seed oil. Yeah it's toxic.
>>524570937kikes always lose because their lack of empathy includes their in-group. they litterally cannot stop kiking everything around them at all times.
>>524566444You don't deserve that get, newfag. Lurk moar
>>524570260but there is no evidence that normal consumption of seed oils causes the high levels of linoleic acid needed to trigger disease in humans.
>>524563454need before sneed anon
>>524571079>no animal will eat any seed oil.industrial chicken is fed a diet of grains soaked in WASTE seed oil. you do not hate kikes enough.
>>524563376chinese fry their food in sneed oils all the time and they're thin. sneed oils are just another boogeyman cope.
>>524570950mouse studies used extremely high amounts of basedbean oil. not same as normal human consumption
>>524571145>hey this is objectively poison>yeah but I can't live without goyslop>COPE MODE ENGAGEDFuck you.
>>524570368>there is no sói sauce in Japan
>>524571270my post is about the logic/science of anti-seed oil trends, not wanting to consume seed oils myself.also those graphs do not explain how seed oils are 'objectively poison' in any way.
>>524571145there certainly is and there is evidence that levels have gone from 1-3% of fat cals to as much as 30% of fat cals today
>>524571270wrong pic.
8 fry my mosquito burgers in 10w30 full synthetic and I haven't had any problems.
>>524571355>also those graphs do not explain how seed oils are 'objectively poison' in any way.>>524571361
>>524571284basedbean oil comes from a modern industrial high-oil cultivar they don't grow it in japan.
>>524571359>there certainly iscan you show me? I cannot find anything saying that, only the opposite.
>>524571361same as the mouse study someone else posted - in animals, very high omega-6 levels can shorten lifespan, but regular human diets with seed oils aren’t anywhere near that extreme, so it doesn’t really impact how long we live...
>>524571145"Normal consumption" is none. Yes, consuming high levels of linoleic acid does cause high levels of linoleic acid, what kind of idiotic nonsense are you blathering about?>>524571244Ching chongs tradtionally fried in lard or palm oil. Since seed oil consumption there has started increasing, obesity has as well. It correlates almost perfectly in fact. You're a retard.>>524571284Goy sauce is not goybean oil, retard.
>>524563462>chenIf she's Chinese or China-adjacent, there's a reason the average Chinese have extremely puffy faces and extremities. It's lymphatic system swelling because their diets are clogging up their lymph.>>524564089>My question is why avoid themCheap seed oils are oftentimes rancid at time-of-sale, and tend to aggravate low-level inflammation that people can't feel beyond a persistent malaise. Because the fats tend to become building blocks for the cell (phospholipids), consuming them can lead to having the negative effects persist for 3-6 months from time of consumption.I'm fortunate enough where most of the fat I do eat comes primarily from meat, and the six-month mark for me went from a slow progression from persistent fatigue to feeling normal again. Everyone is different but moving away from cheap seed oils has done well for me. I'm okay with sesame and olive oil, but I almost never cook with them. They're always a finishing oil after cooking or as garnish.As for cheap vegetable oil, I'd really only use it to start fires when I'm out of animal fat to enflame a spark. I still have some left over from using cast iron and realizing that I don't like dealing with raw cast iron.
>>524563376Cold pressed means they squeezed the oil out mechanicallyMost sneed oils are derived from chemical solvents, its cheaper and you get to consoom solvents as wellThen again, olive oil is the most counterfeit product in the world, so im skeptical of any oil as it could be cut with shit oil.
Honestly, think about the changes since the 1980's as for what our cause of health issues are.Top level:- cessation of commonly smoking cigarettes (appetite suppressant)- more sedentary lifestyle- more often consumption of treats (soda, et al)- veggies are stripped of their nutrients now compared to thenConspiracy tier, though likely factors:- Seed oils in place of fats (fat isn't inherently bad, just often so)- HFCS instead of Cane Sugar-Teflon-Lack of Iodine fortification (Hypothyroidism, increase in ADHD)Likely a good old sprinkling of all of the above
>>524571529>regular human diets with seed oilsThere is no such thing you retarded nigger. You did not evolve to eat extracted seed oils in the quantities they serve it up now. tiny fucking microscopic amounts in actual fucking food is what you were evolved to exist on.Animal fats are the best thing you can possibly put inside your body. Fuck kikes. Fuck niggers. Fuck faggots. Fuck trannies. Most of all fuck jannies.
>>524563376>am I missing something?yes. the fact that fat people are lazy and will invent any cope to not have to exercise. also they have no concept of moderation or self control.
>>524571420did you use your brain in conjunction with a search engine you colossal faggot? it took me approximately 3 seconds to find this.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4642429/>Linoleic acid (LA) is a bioactive fatty acid with diverse effects on human physiology and pathophysiology. LA is a major dietary fatty acid, and also one of the most abundant fatty acids in adipose tissue, where its concentration reflects dietary intake. Over the last half century in the United States, dietary LA intake has greatly increased as dietary fat sources have shifted toward polyunsaturated seed oils such as basedbean oil. We have conducted a systematic literature review of studies reporting the concentration of LA in subcutaneous adipose tissue of US cohorts. Our results indicate that adipose tissue LA has increased by 136% over the last half century and that this increase is highly correlated with an increase in dietary LA intake over the same period of time.
>>524563376It's highly processed, high PUFA trash. I don't care if you consume it because we aren't family or friends, but I genuinely ask you to go a month without it just to see how it changes you. I no longer have acne or stomach aches. You will also begin to notice seed oils are IN EVERYTHING. It is a key indicator of a product being goyslop.>>524563462She's retarded if she actually thinks Asian seed oil consumption is even a fraction of that in the US. They mostly cook with palm, peanut, or sesame oil over there. Not the best stuff but not nearly as awful as canola or sunflower oil.>>524571145Most people aren't going to win with peer reviewed studies for dangers of seed oils. There's too much money in keeping them supported. For me it came down to eliminating processed foods, especially those that noticeably impact my health.
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>>524571605>It correlates almost perfectly in fact.yes, and it also correlates with industrial automation reducing physical work requirements for many of their manufacturing jobs, as well as the expansion of white collar work combined with less time spent walking due to vehicle ownership or expansion in public transportation. so really, what we have here is yet another case of a drooling nigger retard making nonsensical claims.
>>524571420god damn it you retarded fucking faggots make me so mad>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12476591/>Historical rise of cancer and dietary linoleic acid: Mechanisms and therapeutic strategies
>>524571727Something no one talks about is the plastic is different. In the 90s and before the plastic bottles were thicker. Then they did somethings to the plastic and now its much thinner. Now it leeches xenoestrogens.
>>524571686You do not consume the solvent. The boiling point of hexane is very low, 100% of it is boiled off. Stop repeating low IQ preddit nonsense. The problem is not how they are prepared, it is not that they are "industrial" or "processed", it is linoleic acid itself. It is not safe. Period.>>524571727But only one of the things you listed actually correlates with the disease rates, and that is vegetable oil consumption. Everything else fails completely the most basic sanity check: it does not correlate. Heart disease did not start in 1970, it started in 1900. It has gone up precisely in lock step with vegetable oil consumption. It has nothing to do with things that happened in 1970.>>524571830>yes, and it also correlates with industrial automation reducing physical work requirements for many of their manufacturing jobs,No, it does not. Correlation means something, statistics is not feelings.
>>524571830pilpuling fucking kike. that life existed in the 1960s. Go find fucking crowd shots. EVERYONE IS FUCKING SKINNY. We are all being poisoned by kikes.
>>524571863We're not even sure if it is just the increase of xenoestrogens either - there are likely other side effects. I would probably mix that with the "Teflon" class of change Can't wait for our contemporary version of "The Jungle"
>>524571958>>524571992>SNEED OILS IS WHY IM GAY AND FAT AND MY DAD IS EMBARRASSED OF ME!!!!keep on coping in the free world.
>>524571863Early plastic bottles were meant to be washed and reused but people kept collecting motor oil in them. New ones are designed to be easy to crush and burn.Anyway the plastic contains antimony which has the same health benefits as arsenic.
>>524571766>She's retarded if she actually thinks Asian seed oil consumption is even a fraction of that in the US.Many regions in Chinese cooking uses enormous amounts of vegetable oils because they oftentimes use ingredients to infuse flavors into their cooking oils. They use so much that China has dedicated infrastructure specifically to collect, recycle, and repurpose used cooking oil as biofuel in a similar scale to how America collects used motor oil to recycle back into petroleum feedstock.
>>524563376Most seed oils are highly inflammatory. That's good normies are avoiding them. We might get fries cooked in tallow again.
>>524571605>>524571744>"Normal consumption" is noneno it's not. most humans consume some amount of seed oils in their diets.>>524571762>>524571855???those studies do not say that normal consumption of seed oils causes the high levels of linoleic acid needed to trigger disease in humans at all...
>>524563462They use palm oil.
>>524572205nah Asia normally use s-o-ybean and rapeseed oil
>>524571958Hypothyroidism is a condition on the rise and can be correlated to the lack Iodine in many diets. You can test for it and treat for it without levothyroxine successfully. We used to put iodine in our flour. You won't be able to point the finger at one thing, but let's make it clear: our "food" is poison
>>524572186>normal consumption of seed oils normall i would say something like.. the very first study i linked shows that there todays level is abnormal. But you're beinng retarded on purpose so fuck you and your mother you fucking faggot
>>524571605It's fermented sóibean.The fermentation creates the oil.Thus it is legit sóibean oil.The kind you get in American factories has been chemically and mechanically separated and didn't go through a fermentation process. Consequently it's a vastly different grade, and nowhere near good enough, which is why they dispose of it in processed foods.
>>524572099>gets called on his kike lies>throws a jew trantrumAwww.>>524572186>no it's not. most humans consume some amount of seed oils in their diets.Nope, it is entirely a product of modern industrialization. Lying is not productive.>>524572318Hypothyroidism is on the rise because people have been fooled into avoiding salt. It is salt that is iodized, not flour. But this is not the issue, like I said. An effect that began in the 1990s is not responsible for diseases that have been increasing for over 100 years.
>>524563376there is no such thing as Canola oil in nature, it is a synthetic industrial derivative, 'vegetable oil' is the biggest food industry hoax in history, remember the transfat ban recently? It took 30 years and millions dying of heart disease for the FDA to finally ban transfats, seed oils are the same story. They are behind the obesity epidemic which is so bad its a national security issue.
>>524572447by normal, I obviously mean the amounts most people are consuming today, not your own definition of normal.
>>524572470>Nope, it is entirely a product of modern industrialization. Lying is not productive.you really think most people don't consume some amount seed oil in their diets?
>>524572460Fermentation does not create oil, moron. The oil is skimmed off, there is no oil in goy sauce. You are a braindead nigger.>>524572484Canola is just a marketing name for rapeseed, moron. Stop watching 80 IQ niggerfaggots youtube slop.
>>524572318>>524572470We buy salt with added iodine because we have children and it's important for them to not be retarded. Didn't know about the thyroid in particular though
>>524571079561? I fucking love steak and shake; Your fries are fucking amazing and don't go mushy if cooled on the counter. Get some extra larges and fry it up with eggs.You also can't give cancer rats (rats bred to get cancer reliably) cancer via 10+ hours of UV light a day without 20% PUFA / Seed oils in their diet. You start seeing skin cancer at 3-5%
>>524568949>fermented oilsYou mean rancid?
>>524572691>Canola is just a marketing name for rapeseed, moron. Stop watching 80 IQ niggerfaggots youtube slop.Canadian defending Canadian poison haha, rapeseed has to go through industrial chemistry to become Canola oil, it is not natural, there is no such thing as 'vegetable oil' in nature
>>524563462They boil everything, that's why. Lots of broth, lots of water, they get high amounts of nutrients from their food because it's all in the broth. They also don't consume in excess as much, and processed sugars consumption is also no where near as high. I imagine their crops aren't near as nutrient stripped as ours. Good quality ingredientsLots of Broth/water based cookingDon't eat a lot of sugarThe American diet is the COMPLETE opposite of this.
>>524572318Orgasm depletes the thyroid.It inflates to catch more TSH and appears underactive.There are more people watching porn and wanking multiple times a day now than ever before.Just saying.My hypothyroidism went away when I quit cumming so often. Diet didn't change.
>>524571958The leaf is posting misinformation again, lmao. > You do not consume the solvent. The boiling point of hexane is very low, 100% of it is boiled off. Stop repeating low IQ preddit nonsense. The problem is not how they are prepared, it is not that they are "industrial" or "processed", it is linoleic acid itself. It is not safe. Period.Yes, hexane is used to extract oil from many common seeds (like onions, canola, sunflower), and while it's mostly evaporated during processing, trace amounts can be detected in the final seed oils, though generally considered "toxicologically insignificant" by health bodies. Regulations set maximum residue levels (like 1 mg/kg in the EU) to ensure safety, and organic or cold-pressed oils avoid hexane entirely, offering options for those concerned about exposure
>>524572919So does high flouride consumption contribute to lower free T's and higher TSH. What if the big bad flouride boogie man is really hypothyroid symptoms?
>>524568234>it all comes from plants if you follow the chain. if that is the case, how come all the animals aren't sick from eating plants?Fucking idiot. We have different digestive systems. For example, a cow's four chambered stomach handles food a lot differently than ours does. Still, we are feeding them the leftover waste of ethanol production (DDGS), which is absolutely horrific. It has to be fortified with fucking antibiotics so it doesn't kill the cows. Just let them graze on grass ffs. The entire food system is completely fucked.
>>524572847Yes, have you ever smelled the sesame oil that asians use? The rancidity or fermentation is the denaturation of long macromolecule fat chains into shorter groups.
>>524572484We're still fighting over margarine when butter is perfectly fucking healthy. This uphill battle is insane.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33XII6yRZtQ
>>524573316> What if the big bad flouride boogie man is really hypothyroid symptoms?See the big problem here is that in the last 100 years we have introduced literally thousands of new chemicals into our lives, some of which will be subtly fucking our shit up, but untangling which is which is just impossible in all the noise. You can't find enough control groups, of guys who do use flouride toothpase, but don't use aluminium-based deodorant, but do eat canola oil, but don't have microplastics, but do have black mould exposure, but don't eat onions, etc etc etc
>>524563376df you need seed oil for?
>>524563500Id love to cook with butter instead of seed oils but i dont know which one or where to look for itprobably in the butter shelf but still, some butters are safe to cook with and some arent and i dont see an indicator
>>524563376Nobody is buying your poison anymore kike
>>524574134there is no extra butter for cooking, just use butter. the only thing to look out for is butter burns at much lower temp than any oil, you can't cook as hot but you probably dont need it super hot for most things.there is butterschmalz which is arguably better than just butter which is just next to butter in the supermarket but you can use eitherthings like eggs I always use butter just tastes better but for a schnitzel butterschmalz or even sunflower or canola I live like this and am skinny and max ill one a year
>>524572866>defendingHow black are you?>>524573009You get more hexane putting gas in your car then you do eating goyslop for a year you braindead nigger. The entire purpose of the "its the process" disinfo is so they can just move people over to cold pressed poison and keep the money rolling in. The process is not the problem, the oil itself is. Linoleic acid is the problem.
>>524574477thank you, i didnt know any of that and expected it to be some special kind of butter
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>>524563376Just use avocado/nut oil or ghee. Ghee is super easy to make at home from unsalted butter. I bought a top tier food mixer to make my own butter, so all I need to buy is loads of milk which is from a local dairy and from that I make my own butter, yoghurt, cheese and cooking oil
>>524563376Retards and foids are always jumping between fake news diets, this is just another one
>>524574477>there is no extra butter for cookingThere is, you just melt it down first and scoop out the solids. The ghee you're left with has a smoke point of over 250c. Regular butter is 175c
>>524563376>this "meme"It's an OBSERVATION. It only achieves "meme" status because you're too fucking stupid to listen, so now you get mocked with it.
>>524563376Snoybean oil is awful
>>524571766Canola and sunflower are honestly fine
>>524564089They said bad things about canola oil. People stopped buying it. The the Canadian canola processors got bought out for cheap. Then the same people who said it was bad for you said Canola was OK.
>>524571307The bugs come out of the butter
>>524571958The main concerns are:>High omega-6 linoleic acid>Oxidation during refining>Repeated heating>Ultra-processing>Inflammatory byproductsWhile its true linoleic acids are the main concern, hexane is not fully gone. Its still there in some small ppm
>>524573407if you watch the video i linked you would understand just how fundamentally flawed your post is. and you are moving the goalposts and trying to get by on bluster and insults. the claim was that vegetable oils cannot work in humans because they are not animal fats, which is on its face nonsensical but testable. humans can make all the fatty acids they can't get from plantsi don't recommend eating any oil or fat on its own. even olive oil on its own is highly inflammatory, having tons of advanced glycation end products. interestingly, white table sugar, the devil's dandruff itself, has 0. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3704564/>>524573807>butter is perfectly FUCKING healthyso not just healthy but fucking healthy. can you back up your claim?>>524574134>>524574477checkclarified butter or ghee is used in french and indian cooking respectively. you heat the butter until the milk solids and the fat separate. the stuff that burns is the sugar in the butter. once skimmed off the top the clarified butter has a very high smoke point. it is horrible for you though.you say you are skinny but that is not the same as having good health. i linked to a video with a whole group of crossfit people in supposedly good shape who had horrific bloodwork and were becoming pre diabetic from so much meat and fat. i used to go through a 1/2 lb of butter a day, and now i have heart disease and fatty liver at 45, along with arthiritis and bone spurs throughout my body. 2 weeks off dairy and the searing pain has died down to a dull roar. animal products cause autoimmune reactions because their proteins are so similar to ours. if you have leaky gut, which most people do since they never eat fibre, these proteins pass through the intestinal wall. the body attacks these, but since they are so similar to your own body, your body is also now trained to attack you! contrary to what other posters say, eating animal foods causes inflammatory reactions
>>524574477>which is just next to butter in the supermarketits not because it doesnt need to be cooled and refrigeration generates costs.
>>524563376>Be Ray Peat>Write PhD on hamster uterus aging>Discover Lysenkoism>Realize that Lysenko was a punished genius>Oxidative stress>When muscle glycogen metabolizes it gives off carbon and absorbs oxygen>So glycolysis is bad>To avoid oxidizing glycogen lets burn fat instead>Burning fat also gives off carbon and absorbs oxygen>Not oxidative stress though because "Dude, trust me.">Therefore refined sugars are good, unsaturated fats are bad, and saturated fats are good.>Why?>Fuck you, that's why.>Come up with this idea in the 1980s.>Nobody cares>1990s>Nobody cares>2000s >Nobody cares>2010s>One guy keeps posting on /fit/ about Ray Peat>These threads are ridiculed>2020>COVID>Everyone is at home all day>They read about Ray Peat>Ray Peat answers emails>Ray Peat agrees with his fans about Jews and the Holocaust>4chan convinces the global right wing that seed oils are bad because of one interpretation of fake Soviet scienceRIP Ray Peat
>>524576294It doesn't matter what people are concerned about, it matters what the actual problem is. And the problem is linoleic acid, period. Again, you get more hexane in your system from putting gas in your car one time than you do from eating nothing but goyslop for a year. Stop being retarded.>>524576412>look at my gay retard nonsense that I made up>reality is definitely wrong now!
>>524575084>>524575307yes, thats butterschmalz for us krauts >>524576298>skinny doesn't mean healthyyeah sure, I also added I am max once a year ill for 2 days have no allergies and no other health problems in my life> i used to go through a 1/2 lb of butter a day, and now i have heart disease and fatty liver at 45, along with arthiritis and bone spurs throughout my bodywtf? 0,5lb is about 220g, thats half a block of butter here of course you fucked up you are a fat disgusting slob? cooking with butter uses maybe 10grams I use a block of butter maybe in 1-2 weeks and you go for half a block a day?you aren't even from the US but seems like Canada really is the same thing >contrary to what other posters say, eating animal foods causes inflammatory reactionsseems like you are fucking coping about being a fatass with no ability to restrict
>>524576394butterschmalz is next to butter in my rewe or edeka in the refrigerator I dont know where you go buy groceries
>>524576829you are just making up an unappealing backstory about me, which doesn't even make me wrong. have you had bloodwork done in the last while? how about an ultrasound? btw it takes about 15-17 years for a cancerous tumor to grow to the size of the period at the end of this sentence. i had followed keto diet for almost 10 years and then did carnivore for about 3. this is because there was a slew of doctors extolling the benefits of these diets for the problems that i have. keto is a high fat, low carb diet. a proper medical keto diet is about 90% fat. calling me a fatass when i said that animal foods are inflammatory is not an argument. btw my grandfather was a lancaster pilot and burned your faggot cities to the ground in wwiisee? i can be inflammatory too
>>524576788What exactly did I say that's incorrect? Did I in anyway misrepresent Ray Peat, oxidative stress, or his relationship with his audience?
>>524578025>Did I in anyway misrepresent Ray Peat, oxidative stress, or his relationship with his audience?Yes, yes, and yes.
>>524576829https://youtu.be/ks0hHmkXXuothis is the video i talked about27 who all looked healthy and fit, did tons of exercise, and still had terrible health markers including prediabetes. do not be so proud and superficial to think that looking good on the outside is the same as being good on the inside. when i was doing carnivore diet, eating half blocks of butter mixed with ground beef, i was at my slimmest and was outworking 20 year olds in my construction job. i felt and looked great. but little did i know that it was storing the fat in my muscles like wagyu beef, just not on my belly.
>>524578557>oy vey check out this jewish vegan propaganda goyim!>no don't look at the "sources" and notice that he's completely fucking making shit up and there is zero factual basis for any of his claims!
>>524563376you are not very educated that is the problem, fat producers have been denouncing each other for over 100++ years now. its back every 10 yearsthe truth? its all garbage no one needs to survive
>>524563376unironically watch Dr berg on youtube
>>524572835>561 Not dozing myself but close enoughThem fries is certainly something.
>>524563376lol, jew investment not providing returns they were promised. hire lesser jews to write deboonk articles for you. UGH I KNOW I KNOW, JUST NOT GONNA BUY SEED OILS ANYMORE FOR CONSUMING, THAT IS ALL
>>524563462I've been on vacation in Africa for 4 days now, everyone around me is black but my skin is still white, WTF IS GOING ON?!?!
>>524578718lolwut? shills in panic modethe concept that mediterranian style diets are associated with good health, at least according to epidemiology, is accurate. this is borne out by the experiment on the gym members, who all had bloodwork done. so we have a study on a large enough cohort on both types of diets and the data to compare. your criticism is bizarre and has no basis.the guy that makes the videos says in each of his videos that he does not take sponsorship or donations from anyone, even viewers. he even gives his backstory. and i don't think he's jewish. and it isn't vegan propaganda, as meat is allowed on med diet. if you like being wrong keep talking to me
>>524563376I think it's mostly a problem when its old rancid oil because it's all oxidized.Fresh oil likely isn't a problem, and since all manufacturing is there they get it when its fresh, we need to wait 6 months for it to get over here on a boat, and then 6 months in a warehouse before it gets to a store.Who knows how long it sits on the back of the shelf at the store before YOU grab it and then banish it to your pantry.
>>524578397I'm sorry you didn't already know those facts then. I encourage you to do more research before posting. Good luck finding out this information!
>>524576788>UR LOW IQ>STOP BEING RETARDED>IM SUPPOSED TO INSULT EVERYONE AND CALL THEM A JEWYou know you dont have to be a humongous faggot every chance you get
>>524579410>no this jewish vegan is not jewish or a vegan stop noticing things and just pretend his lies aren't lies!There is absolutely no basis to any of his claims. It is literally made up nonsense. He's trying to paint protein as harmful based on a COMPLETELY FABRICATED association that doesn't actually exist.>>524579569>my fantasy is reality trust meNope. Lysenko has nothing to do with anything, retard.
>>524579678>I am shitter shattered because you pointed out that I am wrongNeat.
>>524563376they are industrial byproducts brought to you by industrial conglomerates that also tell you their carbslop with 100 ingredients is better for you than an egg that's all I need to know
>>524564187>>524564283I know you’re a shill
>>524579709>Nope. Lysenko has nothing to do with anything, retard.Incorrect good sir. Peat found Lysenko's rejection of genetic determinism (ie genetics) influential and important.Check these sources for Peat referencing Lysenko.https://expulsia.com/health/peat-index/May%202017%20-%20Ray%20Peat's%20Newsletter.pdfhttps://archive.org/stream/MindAndTissueRayPeat/Mind+And+Tissue++Ray+Peat+_djvu.txtHere's a fan of Peat referencing Peat's debt to Lysenko.https://www.syntropology.com/p/ray-peat-and-the-biology-of-being
>>524563376Watch this presentation, if you still don't get it, we can't help you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kGnfXXIKZM
>>524579709and what would this association be? do i have to make your arguments for you too?typing with all caps doesn't make you right. making claims and then not backing them up does not make you right. excess protein is harmful, that is widely known and non-controversial. especially animal protein. it spikes insulin but the blood sugar remains low. due to constantly circulating insulin you become insulin resistant, just like the female md in the video. it also breaks down into acids, which are hard on the kidneys and liver. this leads to bone loss to donate alkaline material to cancel out the acids. in essence you piss out your bones and line your arteries with calcium. you are hitting ron perelman levels of self-pwninghttps://www.drmcdougall.com/education/information/five-major-poisons-inherently-found-in-animal-foods/the big problem is methionine, which converts to sulfiric acid. nice. this is found in animal foods in high concentrationsevery kidney patient in the world is on a low protein diet.all protein does is repair stuff. it's kind of like oil in your car, in that you only need to top it up once in a while, while for motive power the car uses gasoline. putting more oil (or protein) into the system than is needed causes catastrophic failure. just ask these pricks, they ruined my car by letting an apprentice at it. he added more oil without draining the old stuff first. https://knightbridgeservice.com/and he could have invented judaism and veganism, and it would have no impact on the data gathered from the gym membersu r desperate, ergo a shill
>>524579961Quit beating around the bush, give it to us straight.
>>524563376>especially something like cold-pressed rapeseed oilMate don't go for the cold-pressed. The hard-pressed rapeseed is the best.
>>524563376>Meme from 4chanRay Peat was talking about seed oils long before it became a popular subject on 4chan
>>524580494Thank you, I was aware of this but didn't have a graphic with all the specifics. Saved.
>>524580494why would olive be fine and the rest not
>>524580494Oil is oil guys.Like really. Butter is just oil that's more stable at lower temp. Even oils freeze up and turn into margarine
To proponents and critics, here's the archive of Ray Peat's papers. The website later took down the papers because his widow asked them to.https://web.archive.org/web/20230328123252/https://wiki.chadnet.org/ray-peat
>>524563500Literally all you have to do is buy tallow/ghee and cook with them instead of seed oils. Eliminating seed oils is only "difficult" if you consume a lot of packaged goyslop like potato chips, which you shouldn't be doing anyway.
>>524580711>why would olive be fine and the rest notbecause it's a natural product. It's also only "fine" if you can find 100% pure olive oil which is hard because it is one of the most adulterated and faked products in the world, and you don't heat it.
>>524563376Here is the massive problem with anything related to nutrition:1. Big Farming vs. Big Meat: we have these massive agricultural businesses with billions of dollars on the line fighting tooth and nail to rig population understanding, science, and laws for their side to benefit. 2. Diet Influencers. We have no end of shills wanting to sell you their brand of snake oil so you can live longer and healthier. AND they sniff their own farts to do this, so they all seem "legit" to normies. 3. Media clickbait. Media is constantly flip flopping on Food X is bad! Food Y is superfood! based on each and every study that pops out, and 100% of the time it is based on bullshit they misinterpreted. This science illiteracy spreads to normies. 4. ZERO nutrition education in schools. You get lucky to learn a tidbit or two in Health or Biology. 5. Activists pushing bullshit. These fuckbags will be against some food X because of made up environmental impacts and want you to stop eating X and eat Y (which almost always is worse for the environment when you look into it). Typically you vegan types. This creates a very chaotic environment where science is functionally dead. And I do mean dead, anything to do with human health is VERBOTEN to experiment on, so any science here is hot garbage as a result. It's all study bullshit that suffers from correlation as causation errors. Best we get is mice analogs and even then that shit half the time is we gave mice 1000x what you'd eat in a lifetime and they died, no surprise there. Core nutrition science is pretty good, but it's buried under mountains of shit and misinformation.
>>524580878>because it's a natural productyeah, so are most of the others
>>524580747>Oil is oil guys.No.>>524580294
>>524580943no, they aren't see >>524580494
>>524564939>Google told me seed oils were healthy, so they must beLiteral NPC
>>524580789"Oh, the places the science will go to not just admit it's niggers being retarded" would be more accurate
>>524563376its very simple seed oils have very high omega 3 or 6 or 9 i cant remember but basically only one of them and that disbalances the ratio a lotyou dont need to be einstein to understand this
>>524581119Looks like flax is the only one not loaded with Omega 6's
>>524571079If you stop consuming seed oils for a week or two and then give them a whiff, you will immediately notice that they smell RANCID and completely putrid. If you stumbled upon them in the wild, you would never dream of consuming them.
>>524581142The quantity of omega 6 is an issue, not merely the ratio compared to omega 3, it is not natural to consume concentrated omega 6, it's not possible to consume that much naturally, to get as much omega 6 in natural forms you'd have to inhale buckets of vegetables to ingest the amount in goyslop today, our bodies can't handle it. Toxic level. On that note, non whites should be fed the slop 24/7.
>>524563376Everything is better with butter
>>524563376>social media is an echo chamber for the intellectually-bankruptAs common as the government is corrupt.
>>524580140>crackhead says peat was inspired by lysenko>his citation is literally just himself making the claim, no referent to anything peat ever said at allkek>>524580456>UH BUT WUT IZ DUH ARUGUMENT!!?!11That protein causes modern "dietary disease" you illiterate groid. You know, the SUBJECT OF THE FUCKING VIDEO YOU LINKED.>>524580711Because olive oil is almost entirely oleic acid, and the others are very high in linoleic acid. Things that are low in linoleic acid are fine. Things that are high in linoleic acid are not. Very simple.
>>524563462The chinese are just built different. They can and will eat pretty much anything.
>>524581239Flax seed is touted in vegan circles for its high omega-3 to omega-6 ratio. It's certainly less inflammatory than canola oil. The problem is that the human body is incredibly inefficient at converting short-chain plant omega-3s into long-chain animal omega-3s like DHA and EPA. You'd be better off taking a high-quality krill oil supplement or eating wild-caught sockeye salmon.
>>524580923(cont)So to the question: are seed oils bad for you?Lets look at what we know:Officially, seed oils are in that little "use sparingly" top pyramid chunk per FDA. That means the government is TELLING YOU THEY ARE BAD. You have been officially warned that seed oils are bad for you, it's what that oil droplet indicates. Secondly, manufacturing seed oils is nasty as fuck. It's got all sorts of extra cleaning steps as anons have pointed out. Compared to more simple mass production for food, it's unusually more complicated than the mix and bake then package that happens for other foods. Thanks to it being cheap, globohomo put it everywhere fat was needed. Corner cutting & cost should clue you into the fact it's actually low quality. As for the chemistry, there are two concerns to watch out for: 1. Concentrating oils from seeds ALSO concentrates minor toxins present in seeds from pollution. So while the oil could be safe, the toxins DEFINITELY are not. So any plant pollution uptake is a serious concern, AND this won't be reported to you by the government. 2. PUFAs from this process apparently aren't good for you based on biochem. This appears to be good science, but only because I have seen 0 good refutations against the PUFA argument. And as for population trends - seed oil use is correlated with the obesity crisis. So while it's not causal evidence, it's a good logic check to make sure we didn't miss something in the forest because we got lost in the tree analysis. So in general, evidence for seed oil use is 3/3 against it. It won't kill you, so gov't isn't going to ban it, but they are clear in stating it's not good for you. The only reason you think it's acceptable to use is globohomo WANTS you to consume it for profit.
>>524581239Also, PUFAs, even omega-3s, are inherently unstable and will go rancid very quickly. They are more susceptible to oxidation than saturated fats because of their chemical structure. So even if you wanted to cook with flax seed oil, it would not last very long on your shelf. Animal fats like ghee and tallow are the best option.
>>524581701>The problem is that the human body is incredibly inefficient at converting short-chain plant omega-3s into long-chain animal omega-3s like DHA and EPAthe body makes as much as you need, just like cholesterol. there is no need to dump in tons of isolated oils, or more dha and epa.https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD003177.pub5/fullthis shows that omega 3 supplementation had no beneficial impact on cardiovascular health. https://youtu.be/8eHnwCJwDzk?t=1845the video should be adjusted to the correct time. look at the still. the study shows that there are zero issues arising from a diet low or absent in dha and epa, which means that the body makes enough, as i said.
>>524582103>Animal fats like ghee and tallow are the best option.yes, if your only goal is to avoid rancid oils. you can just smell it before you use it too. or don't use it at all. they are a terrible option if your goal is good health. https://youtu.be/nw1AKP1K5_geven saturated fats from plants is not good for you
>>524579768>im going to call you mad like a feggitor wouldOh look at you ur a little 4channer now!!! teehee!!!
>>524563376>Everything I have looked at online seems to say they are safeDon't forget that they are also effective too!
>>524581239Flax seed is a big no if you are male. Unless you like being low T
>>524563462I think what's most important is the ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 oil intake. Seed oils are super high in omega 6. But the Asians eat a lot of fish which are high in omega 3s.
>>524581701>>524582103I normally take Cod Liver Oil for Omega 3's because I hate the taste of fish.It has a very clean taste compared to say, "fish pills" which usually give burps that taste like low tide.
>>524582868>"fish pills" which usually give burps that taste like low tide.fyi those are rancid.
>>524582258>the body makes as much as you needEven vegan doctors like Dr. Greger disagree with you and recommend taking DHA supplements. When I was vegan, I personally noticed my memory and thinking improve when I started supplementing, even though I had previously been autistically obsessed with my dietary intake of omega-3s. I was even taking 1-2 tbsp of flax seeds every day and weighing all my food to make sure my ratio was below 4:1.>>524582493>yes, if your only goal is to avoid rancid oils. you can just smell it before you use it too. or don't use it at all.Technically true, but most people's smell receptors are fucked from constant exposure to toxic chemicals. Like I said, I only noticed that canola oil smelled like dogshit afte I went a few weeks without consuming any. My nose had become so accustomed to the smell that I didn't even notice how disgusting it was. Most people nowadays are in the same boat.
>>524563376Seed oils are processed with bleaches & chemicals to make them look pretty.Try this test: Before bed, eat a bag of any potato chips cooked with any seed oil. How do you feel when you wake up next morning?Next night: Before bed, eat a bag of Olive Oil potato chips. How do you feel next morning?The difference will be night and day. It will be 100% persuasive. Even though olive oil is pervasive with fraud, it's STILL 100% better than seed oils.
>>524583811>when i was a vegan.Opinion discarded.
>>524583870>Even though olive oil is pervasive with fraud, it's STILL 100% better than seed oils.Not in the US, the jewed FDA allows jew corps to call "olive oil" cut with 49% seed oils as 100% olive oil.
>>524582868The smell is a great indicator of how rancid and oxidized the oil is. I take Captain's Krill Oil because it's been third-party tested for purity and it smells really good. If I don't refrigerate it properly, it starts to acquire that fishy smell. It's expensive but it's worth it for me.
>>524584004Niggerbrained comment. People can make mistakes and learn from them.
>>524563376There was a widespread intoxication in Spain in 1981, since then, rapeseed oil is considered a cheap substitute of sunflower oilhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_oil_syndrome
>>524583811check>dr greger disagreeswho cares? we are not dealing with opinion, we are dealing with facts. greger seems like a nice guy but he hasn't done the amount of research that mcdougall has, and has not brought as many people back to health and away from chronic disease as mcdougall has. this info comes from the cochrane review, not mcdougall himself.note too that greger seems to think people can live off salads etc. mcdougall asserts that 90% of what you eat should be starch. i am not saying that my doctor can beat up your doctor, i am saying my doctor knows the material better and has found evidence to back up his claims. the cochrane review is famous over the world for their exacting methods. they routinely debunk all kinds of claims people make for isolated ingredients of foods, which can then be packaged and sold as supplements for big bucks. mcdougall recommends against most supplements and urges people to eat the cheapest foods possible, which are starches. btw rubbing the oil on the skin will correct a deficiency just fine. hemp oil works great. >weighing food etcyes, you will see that it has little impact on health. your efforts were in vain because there was no point. you should really watch the videos, they are great resources and can help to keep you from being scammed by supplement salesmen.>>524584480unless you have lots of carbohydrate going in, veganism can be just as bad as other forms of eating. after all, it just means "no animal products". you can eat food coloring and oil and it would be vegan. it is not enough to move away from meat or dairy, one must move toward good sources of starch and sugar like fruit and rice, corn, potatoes etc.as an aside greger also thinks you will go blind on an all potato diet, to which mcdougall takes great umbragehttps://youtu.be/2Bt06V8VbHw
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6179509/>Should we listen to warnings that linoleic acid (LA) promotes inflammation and that Americans would be healthier if they restricted their intake of LA (i.e., vegetable oils)? A recently published systematic review of 15 clinical trials failed to find any support for the “diet LA causes inflammation hypothesis.” These findings support current recommendations that a diet with 5 to 10 energy percentage from polyunsaturated fatty acids, such as LA, is healthful and appropriate for most Americans.>What the field was missing was a systematic review of randomized controlled trials that examined the impact of dietary LA on biological markers of inflammation among healthy adults. Therefore, in 2010 a colleague and I set out to fill this void in the literature. We conducted a search of the English and non-English literature using MEDLINE, the Cochrane Controlled Trials Register, and EMBASE to identify relevant articles. Fifteen clinical trials (seven cross-over and eight parallel studies) met the inclusion criteria (e.g., randomized, placebo-controlled intervention studies in healthy humans greater than one year of age in which the only fatty acid other than LA that was allowed to differ substantially between the experimental and control diets was oleic acid). The most frequently reported biomarker of systemic inflammation was circulating CRP. Surprisingly, there was no significant impact of varying LA intake on circulating CRP in any of these trials.18 Furthermore, dietary LA showed no effect on circulating concentration of various other inflammatory biomarkers, including: IL-6, TNF-α, ICAM-1, L-selectin, P-selectin, fibrinogen, PAI-1, platelet activity (fibrinogen load), tPA/PAI-1 complex, TXB2, PGE2, PGF2α.18so high omega 6 does not cause inflammation, it is in fact better for you than saturate fat
>>524583811Copy pasting from chatGPT about flax seeds1. Phytoestrogens (the main issue)What flax containsFlaxseed is the richest dietary source of lignans (especially secoisolariciresinol diglucoside – SDG). • Lignans converted by gut bacteria into enterolactone & enterodiol • These bind estrogen receptors (ERα and ERβ)Why that matters for men • These compounds can weakly mimic estrogen • They can also block androgen signaling in some tissuesEvidence • Several human studies show: • free testosterone • SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) • Effects are dose-dependent and chronic, not acute One tablespoon occasionally ≠ problem Daily high intake (2–4 tbsp) can matter hormonally⸻2. Testosterone suppression (mechanisms)Flax may lower androgen activity
>>524585174>who cares? we are not dealing with opinion, we are dealing with facts.I don't care to look it up, but he uses actual studies to back up his opinions. He isn't just guessing. Go to nutritionfacts.org and look at the studies yourself.>>524585174>unless you have lots of carbohydrate going in, veganism can be just as bad as other forms of eatingI was eating plenty of carbs at the time. Lots of grains and beans, some fruit and veggies and some nuts. I developed even worse digestive issues than I had initially and I became emaciated and mentally ill. You need animal nutrients like cholesterol and choline to have proper brain health, and you need protein and creatine to build muscles.>as an aside greger also thinks you will go blind on an all potato dietYou would certainly develop a lot of nutrient deficiencies from a potato-only diet, including vitamin A - which is vital for eye health. You should definitely be consuming carotenoids if you aren't going to get retinol from animal liver.Your body needs meat to be healthy. I know this from personal experience.
>>524586575Yeah, I'm not surprised at all. It doesn't make sense that grinding up hundreds of seeds and consuming them would be healthy for you. You would never encounter that many flax seeds in the wild.
>if no one was eating it in 1850 you can't either>if you need a label to tell you what is in it it's not foodShrimple as that.
>>524563376>This meme from 4chan has permeated into real life so much that all of my normie friends won't shut up about seed oils.you're welcomealways remember that LITERALLY ALL CULTURE is downstream from /pol/, and have a rotten day, paki saar
>>524563376You led the LLM to agree with you with your tone you fucking idiot. They will always agree with you if you give it any hint as to what kind of what your opinion is an this what kind of answer you would most likely prefer. For the record it's not just seed oils, all PUFA are poison and should be avoided as much as possible. Small amounts are unavoidable, sure, and the body can handle a little bit, but the shit is still objectively toxic. It's not up for debate, Ray Peat proved this shit decades ago. I had acne from the start of puberty all the way to my mid thirties. Accidentally cut out all PUFA as a side effect of eating very low fat for about a few months and my acne completely disappeared. Then I learned about the randle cycle and started adding back in eggs and some fatty meat and dairy. Then I discovered Ray Peat and all the seemingly conflicting claims and experiences I had over the years and all the things I had learned about nutrition all finally clicked into place and made sense holistically without any contradictions. Ray Peat is the GOAT of nutrition. If you disagree then you're simply wrong and can continue to enjoy living with chronic inflammation, elevated cortisol, and a crippled metabolism.
>>524563462they aren't skinny, they're malnourishedthey don't have great skin, they have pre-tanned leather hides what would make a texan cowboy boot blushand they most certainly don't fucking live to 100, dumb fucking whore doesn't see all the millions of bugoids who die of dysentry and malaria and fucking sepsis before they're even 20
>>524566069>that is processed foods, not the seed oils themselves though>bleaching or deodorising doesn’t automatically make it toxicLol, LMAO even Where you drop on your head as a kid or are you just a jeet?
>>524586897>You need animal nutrients like cholesterol and choline to have proper brain health, and you need protein and creatine to build muscles.this is not true. the human body makes its own cholesterol, that is where animals get theirs, they make it. there is literallly no vital nutrient or mineral that comes from meat that you can't get from plant sources, including b12.your anecdotal experience of "needing meat" prove nothing, really. if you were emaciated, then you were not eating enough calories, plain and simpleand as you can see from this pic, all kinds of plant foods have protein. you only need 5% of your calories to come from protein. beans are comparable to meat as far as protein goes. you need enough glucose for brain health too, and that comes from carbs. vegan diets are not lacking in nutrition, that pic is very wrong, as one would imagine. it is a cartoon where some faggot drew himself as the guy at the gym he masturbates to. this is not evidence of anything. and if potatoes were deficient in a, and made you go blind, then how did the south americans survive? they ate almost entirely potato diet. again, you should watch the video i linked. vitamin d is a hormone, and only a couple foods have it. mushrooms that are in the sun and some fatty fish. d comes from the sun, and it also stores well. k2 is made from k in the body, no need for exogenous supply, although natto has it, and is the source for k2 supplements. so that's dumb and wrong.the body makes carnosine and cla too, and cla is not an essential nutrient. coq10 is in all kinds of plant food, just flat out wrong. in fact they are most abundant in plant food, like basedbean oil kekthe body makes heme iron as well, so another non issue.saturated fat has been done to death alreadytaurine oh and as i said, greger is wrong because his info is wrong. check out what mcdougall says in his rebuttal. the study re potatoes is about french fries, and was one kid
>>524587021people on the right look the way they do because of exercise, and more often drug use. do you really think that if greger picked up a burger and ate it, that he would look like the guy on the right?and this is so superficial, as if the only point of a diet is to become le muscleman. i already linked the video twice, but it shows very fit people who are on the fast track to heart disease and diabetes.daily reminder that schwarzenegger fucked his heart up for life with roids, despite having a great bodygreger is an actual serious doctor that treats patients. he is not a fitness influencer. why should he look like rich piana? and he's huge btw, when you see him next to others he towers over them.
>>524588755The "fitness influencer"s who warn about seed oils are doctors and those promoting longevity maxing.
>>524568234>Saars, do not redeemLol, LMAO even
>>524589019the guy in the pic is charles atlas, who was the equivalent of a fitness influencer.doctors don't get trained in nutrition, nutritonists do. doctors that know anything on the subject are self taught. most often they are grifters like most doctors who are looking for a way to scare you into their supplements.but nice attempt at moving the goalposts
>>524588755>and he's huge btwHe is a potbellied jewish manlet, but that would be a Greek god in comparison with a jeet like you.
>>524589360>most often they are grifters like most doctors who are looking for a way to scare you into their supplements.Link is from a site you cited as a source https://www.drmcdougall.com/shop/
>>524589019Gaybe lnkn aka little nigger know nothing with another one of his classic takes... You sure know how to shit up a thread with your you jewing.
>>524588206But vegans are immoral.Then again, so are Canadians.
>>524563376why take a chance? would it kill you to just use olive/avocado/coconut/butter/lard/ghee?
>>524563376>seed oils>pure fat.yes, fat is the problem and the source of most diseases.I eat as little fat as I can.
>>524589830>I eat as little fat as I can
>>524589909It's not funny. People suffer agonizing deaths because of their high fat diets. There is no balance when it coms to fat. Keep it to a minimum. Treat fat like salt.
>>524589531he also gives all of that away for freehe ahs done countless hours of lectures on all kinds of health topics for free, many on avoiding unnecessary procedures which doctors try to sell to you. it even says you can look at the lubrary of podcasts and videos. how is that grifting? oh, because you need it to be, just like you need for me to be indian. say it again, maybe it will come true. it seems to be your strategy in all things.>>524589602truke>>524590193do you not understand? he called you a name, now he wins. rules of the playground, broso yes you can buy hus books, and he used to (gasp!!@!) take money in exchange for medical serviceshe did not sell
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>>524590346the best way to promote insulin sensitivity is through sugar administraion. each successive administration leads to greater sensitivity. fats cause insulin resistance.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1394223/?page=1this has been known for over a century. this is why high carb diets like the kempner rice diet were so efficient at fixing type 2 diabetes within a week or so. many other chronic diseases evaportaed within a few weeks for hundreds of patients. mcdougall has treated thousands of people and reversed diabetes in thousands as well.
>>524590398see>>524585834
>>524590324>he also gives all of that away for free>it even says you can look at the lubrary of podcasts and videosLol, LMAO even Try another helping of cow dung and bobble your head more.
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>>524563376cold pressed seed oils are fine. the bad thing is the hexane they use to extract seed oils, which isnt used in cold press.
>Sneed oils made from >S>0>Ybeans were originally meant to act as a binder in cardboards>>524590848
>>524589560You seem to under the mistaken impression that I'm against seed oils, to the contrary I'm very much in favor, I want you to be swimming in them.
>>524590949cold pressed doesn't stop seed oils from being omega-6 concentrate.
>>524590835you keep trying to make something from nothinghe has hours of presentations, and gigabytes of newsletters and publications, articles, etc.this is not the same as someone who scares you, then sells you a fake solution a la covid 19. being an author is not being a grifter. he actively tells people watching the videos that they can buy this stuff if they want, but you can get it all for free from his website and from youtube. notice how all of the keto and carnivire docs always sell supplements? i guess the diet isn't so great if you need them. call me an indian again, you've almost turned the room against me. it will work, trust the plan. because if it turns out that i'm indian, then all of those facts would magically transform to lies. >>524590917https://www.youtube.com/shorts/if4NvWTlt2I?feature=sharecarbs don't make you fat, neither does sugar
>>524563376rapeseed oil is made using a poison to purge the husks and get the remaining 10% yield out.
>>524591478https://youtu.be/QsHBjmfPNDshow fructose increases metabolism
>>524563376If you only use olive oil, butter, and lard, you can replace seed oil completely.
>>524591478>you keep trying to make something from nothing>he has hours of presentations, and gigabytes of newsletters and publications, articles, etcAll behind a paywall, he is nothing but a grifting kike.
>>524590595I eat fibrous starches with aspartame to make it taste good. That's my secret. Has worked splendidly for me for many years.
>>524591682Damn another grifter
if people eat starches and turn away from fat and salt, the entire SAD restaurant and processed food industry will collapse because starches are cheap, filling, easy to cook at home, and clean up is easy (no greasy pots and pans) meaning nobody will bother going out to eat.
>>524591682Such a healthy looking late 30s mother
>>524590595Insulin causes insulin resistance so reduced insulin production reduces insulin resistance. Very simple
>>524585834>Half truth lies. Omega-6 is an essential fatty acid but anything over 2% in your diet causes inflammation in most Europeans. Anything over 2% doesn’t exist in nature unless it’s a processed seed oil or grainfed meat.
>>524591865>behind a paywallhttps://www.drmcdougall.com/category/information-all/more bad faith posting and outright liesand youtube is not behind a paywallby now everyone knows you are a liar, and your plan has backfired. instead of me being the one who can't be trusted, it's you. and you have spend 5 posts trying to turn me indian and mcdougall into a scammer.>>524592034and she gives it all away for free on her videos. and that is a pretty cheap consult fee for a professional with a masters degree. she is not scaring you into buying her product. you can eat fruit and rice without going through her. having a job is not a grift. lying to people to create the impression of a need which does not exist, is. seriously faggot you pay that much for a one hour massage>you tried so hard and got so far
>>524563376Simple matter is that not even a couple generations ago, sneed oils were nowhere near as prevalent in our diets and our bodies don't know how to use/store them. Eat butter and avoid margarine like the plague
>>524592269> Ancestral Europeans: Studies indicate that certain alleles of the FADS1 gene are more prevalent in European populations compared to other groups. This variation is thought to have been shaped by dietary habits and environmental factors over generations.>Impact on Fatty Acid Composition: Ancestral Europeans with specific variants of the FADS1 gene may have a different balance of omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids, affecting aspects of health such as inflammation and cardiovascular disease risk.
I’ve come full circle at this point. I eat mostly fish and chicken, and just use like a tbsp of canola oil to cook each chicken breast, and mostly just bake the fish with a bit of macadamia oil I have cartons of. Basically never eat red meat, just like a nice big juicy bloody burger or steak once or twice a week. Never felt better.
sneed oils use artifical preservativesthat alone is reason enough for me to not consume them
>>524592281>Head bobbling intensifies >Saars, it's ALL free>No saars, do not redeem >Shovels cow dung down its gullet >Vegans good saars>Dies of dysentery Lol, LMAO even.You have a negative izzat balance.
>>524592467You’re setting up metabolic disease or you just have the specific epigenetics to support eating grain products and seed oils most white people get heart disease and metabolic syndrome from eating grain filled poultry and canola seed oils. See >>524592269
>>524592467You’re setting up metabolic disease or you just have the specific epigenetics to support eating grain products and seed oils most white people get heart disease and metabolic syndrome from eating grain filled poultry and canola seed oils in regular quantities. See >>524592269
>>524592123Most insulin resistance is actually caused by fat in the muscle tissue gumming up the metabolism. Reduce fat intake to lose weight and increase insulin sensitivity.
>>524592318You should only obtain 2% linoleic acid from natural sources. Typically you want to balance out 2:1 ratios of omega-6 to omega-3, or else you caused yourself arterial inflammation which causes bad cholesterol profiles in metabolic disease, which ultimately leads to heart disease and encourages diabetes.
>>524592670No insulin resistance is actually caused by producing too much insulin which is caused by consuming too much sugar or too much seed oils or grain fed meat. This isn’t debated. This is known scientific fact.
>>524591807>lardpigs store omega 6 directly in fat unlike cows, olive oil is cut with 49% seed oils and advertised as 100% olive oil, this lie is sanctioned by the fda. The options are butter and beef tallow.
>>524592479Nah, seed oils are great for mexicans.
>>524592801Grass fed ghee is an amazing option. Or purchase cold pressed single source olive oil directly from Greece, or a farm you trust. Coconut oil is acceptable. So is grassfed butter or tallow. Do you want grass fed so you have favorable omega-3/6 ratios.
>>524592969>You want grassfed for favorable fat profiles
>>524592969fat is fatterrible for you.
Notice how the Canadian vegan jeet pushing seed oils left the conversation.
>>524592318except that all of the diseases they are supposed to cause have been around forever, and mostly concentrated in the upper echelons of wealththe peasants on their starch diet did not end up with gout, for instance. people now eat less starch and more animal products than beforebut all around the world we see that the poors that eat starch and little meat have much better health than their richer countrymen>>524592269it says right in the text i posted that it should be about 5-10 percent of calories. again this was a metastudy done by cochrane where only well designed studies get in, and they are all taken into considerationhttps://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/840124>This research supports earlier findings. Clinical trials have shown that even a very high intake of linoleic acid does not increase inflammatory responses, nor has a significant impact on arachidonic acid levels.another study by the same university is showing decreased crp the more omega 6 there isat the end of the day i am not advocating for consumption of oil, and neither is mcdougall.
>>524593015 That’s the biggest mis-truth I’ve ever heard. What did you come out of a 1980s US food pyramid lobby, lmao.
>>524593031>mental gymnastics, and backtracking
>>524592969Unfortunately coconut oil has the same problem as olive oil of being cut with omega 6 seed oils and passed off as 100%.
>>524593113You have to get it from single source farms you trust.
>>524593031Epigenetics means everything you fucking moron. You aren’t white
>>524593082There is no '80's food pyramid lobby'But there is a fat, meat, and processed food lobby.
>Pure olive oil
>>524592721no it isn'thttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staub-Traugott_Phenomenon>Abraira and Lawrence describe the original discovery as being that "when glucose loads are given in succession, orally or intravenously, significant and progressive improvement in glucose tolerance will occur in normal and nonketotic diabetic subjects. This facilitated disposal of a glucose load is known as the Staub-Traugott phenomenonfat causes insulin resistancethere is even a type 1 diabetes program called mastering diabetes where you eat mostly sugary fruit all day because it lowers insulin requirements. if this did not work they would all be deadhttps://youtu.be/IgQE70lKYysi already told you that doctors have used this clinically for decades to CURE type 2 diabetes
>>524593335You would know kike
>>524593381>fat causes insulin resistanceIt’s been proven that fat from seed oils and grain fed meat cause insulin resistance. Grass fed meat and natural grass fed fats do not. You’re a fucking piece of shit.
>>524593381Type one diabetes is completely different than type two diabetes. You’re such a disingenuous pos. You’re literally killing anons with your horrible advice.
>>524593381A Toronto doctor named Jason Fung explains the science perfectly, which is not disputed by anyone. You are such a stupid motherfucker.
>>524593353Virgin olive oil. The only one I use, even for cooking. It’s expensive, but I live alone.
>>524593694Other anons were pointing out in the US they adulterate olive oil none of its pure. It’s 50% random seed oil typically. This oil I have listed cost about $100 USD.
>>524574134Everything healthy gets scammed to fuck these daysButter is healthy, go to the store to buy butter and:1. Margerine fucking everywhere pretending to be butter2. Butter cut with seed oils instead of being pure butterThe way to tell the difference is how soft it is at room temperature. Even when it's a bit cold in your house, like 15 degrees instead of 20 degrees, the butter should still be relatively soft and melty. If its cut with seed oils, it'll be hard as a rock and take much longer to melt. It's a night and day difference if you ever check between the real brands and the scammers.Olive oil is also typically cut with a seed oil, and I don't know how you check for that.Most of the food you buy, from bread to yogurt to crackers to mayonnaise - will have seed oils used in it for some stupid fucking reason. It's actually incredibly difficult to buy shit without seed oils in it.When you shop at a grocer you are basically just selecting from different goyslop ingredients. The actual food is hard to find; you have to read labels and research products ahead of time and then still test at home to be sure it's properly healthy food. This is the nature of our countries turning into scamzones instead of real economies thanks to the influence of parasitical jews and the influx of 3rd worlders.
>>524593541it works for both. there is nothing disingenous about what i said. you are trying to demonize me. and failing hard.>>524593660i took his advice and it is terriblefasting is terrible for the metabolsimi used to water fast for weeks on end, longest was 21 days omad, intermittent fasting, all terrible for you.i haven't read that book thoughhttps://youtu.be/1cl2IX94GCI
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>>524594177You’re a fucking piece of shit. I don’t believe anything you say. Everything you say is the opposite of reality. 100% the complete opposite. Maybe that works for you, but it does not work for a major majority of European people so you are likely not European.
>>524594177Fasting has been proven to be anti-cancer, and one of the most healing mechanisms you can actually utilize for yourself. The only reason you’re saying that is because you’re trying to sow fear and doubt around the actual cure for dietary illness, which is a vast major majority of current illness affecting western nations.
>>524594177If it were 200 years ago, I would challenge you to a duel, and quickly end your life legally with a rapier. Reap that izzzat out of your soul you fucking coward.
>>524563376Seed oils have too many omega 6s and are inflammatory.The modern diet gives you so much of this, that they call anything with omega 3 "healthy" just because it evens out the balance of our shit diets.We know these things are killing us, we know they are the reason for heart disease and inflammation, but they're also shelf stable and cheap, so they're necessary in mass produced food to keep having a massively inflated population.I've stopped arguing with people about it. I'm just not gonna consume the poison, that's all.
>>524594353>A seven-day water fast may help enhance the body's ability to fight cancer by reprogramming immune cells and potentially making cancer treatments more effective. However, it's important to consult with a healthcare professional before attempting such a fast, especially for cancer patients.>Overview of Water Fasting and Cancer>Water fasting involves abstaining from all food and consuming only water for a set period, such as seven days. This practice is gaining attention for its potential effects on cancer treatment and prevention.>Potential Benefits of Water Fasting>Immune System EnhancementWater fasting may enhance the immune system's ability to fight cancer. Research indicates that fasting can reprogram natural killer (NK) cells, which are crucial for targeting and destroying cancer cells.>Metabolic Changes>During a water fast, the body undergoes significant metabolic changes. It shifts from using glucose for energy to utilizing fats, which may starve cancer cells that rely heavily on glucose.>Reduced Side Effects of Treatment>Fasting may help reduce the side effects of cancer treatments like chemotherapy. Healthy cells can enter a protective state during fasting, while cancer cells struggle to survive without
>>524563376take 30 seconds to learn about fat bonds and glance at general trends in study dataextra virgin olive oil and butter in moderation are the only acceptable added fats the rest exist to feed human cattleeat fish regularly too
>>524594491That’s an excuse we’ve been given. If we don’t produce industrialized foods, and then cure the illnesses, they create then we can’t extend our population beyond the established k-curves. The problem however is the people controlling everything aren’t honest or transparent. Look at the monetary system for any confirmation or how they handled Covid in the west.
>>524594353IF was found to be a meme well before the mainstream caught on to it. Fasting long term 1+ days has a tangible benefit (we won't speak on religion demanding that for millenia) but IF's only benefit is suppressing your insulin until you eat. All you're doing is skipping breakfast that's not going to do anything but tempt your underlying IBS disease manifestation and help as a temporary diet behavior.
>>524595136IF includes eating in just a four hour window or OMAD, and it is known the progression of what goes on when fasting, ie IF isn't a meme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhmtoAYVRSo
>>524594353yes, you caught me, i secretly want everyone to get cancer. the best way to not get cancer is to not eat animal foodshttps://youtu.be/q83i3fo1l5Qif you know anyone with cancer it's maybe a good idea to watch or share this. cancer treatment is an industry designed to get all your money before you die. >>524594433checkyou have very strong opinions on seed oilsif you fight the same as you argue, you would probably show up, shit your bloomers, then stab yourself through the foot before declaring victoryand i keep saying there is no need for them for most people, so don't eat them. but if you eat oils, they are healthier than animal fats
>>524594604>A seven-day water fast may help enhance the body's ability to fight cancer>may help>mayso that means it is not conclusivesmoking meth also makes you thin so go smoke meth. we won't worry about the other effects.
>>524563462If you believe Chinapeople age well or have good skin, or are anything but depigmented africans, then you probably believe that blacks have horse penises or that Jews are intelligent.
>trying to find a magical dietary excuse as to explain why I’m such a fat shit with bad skin and depressed all the timeOh it’s this thread again
>>524595412speaking of grifters, berg is the king of them all>>524595854bromine is a good reason why people are fat, at least in the us, where it is still allowed in food. most flour and bread in the us has it in there. it affects the thyroid and this your weight and mood. pic related is an ad for a bromine tonic to get your kids to put on weight. avoid bromine, simple asanimal foods cause obesity and bad skinhttps://youtu.be/0v3P0zD-dFs
>>524596206berg being a scientologist chiropractor whose son doesn't like him doesn't detract that he's a good presenter presenting correct corroborated info.
>>524595434Healthier than grain fed animal fats. Not grassfed. Every study contributing red meat to cancer used grain fed meat and then distinguish between grassfed. People have been tricked people and had their metabolism hacked. If you create a lot of insulin sensitivity, it cascades into obesity, metabolic syndrome, arthrosclerosis, high blood pressure, diabetes type 2 and eventually cancer. None of this is my opinion. This is straight from the razors edge of leading scientific theory. Check out Dr. Jason Fung. Is multiple books explaining everything. The obesity code, the diabetes code, and the cancer code.
>>524596206Yup sure does here is proof>>524592116Look at that youthful vibrant skin of a vegan.
>>524596620They also don't control for what oils the meat is cooked with. Either way you are arguing with a jeet. It cannot comprehend any argument, and it's arguments are all just a cargo cult parroting of an ai chatbot. Just point out that it eats cow dung.
>>524596620>supposed to say lots of insulin resistance, not insulin sensitivity!Apologies very confusing. On my phone and can’t believe how bad the information is here.
>>524596860>arguing w/ jeet Ironically enough this was said >>524594433
>>524595854>Food is magicLol retard
>>524596620i am familiar with fungall fats cause insulin resistance. if he is correct, then all of the people cured by kempner and mcdougall should not have gotten better. the theory does not hold up to scrutiny. we have decades of evidence to support what i am saying. he is a nephrologist, not a nutritionist, he has no idea. it's like a painter telling you how to wire your electrical box. insulin sensitivity does not lead to diabetes. that is made up. insulin resistance is the definition of type 2. holy shit man. if you go to mastering diabetes, the black guy with allopecia is a phd in autoimmune disorders, and has extensive experience trying to use keto to help his diabetes as per his doctors orders. it helped for a bit, then caused a myriad of health problems. it is because fat blocks the receptors on the cells and stops insulin from landing. this isn't just theory, they helps thousands of people from all over the world. even the ancient egyptians knew to give diabetics a high sugar diet.
>>524593694Basado compatriota.My family used to harvest our own olive oil. Now we buy it from a trusted almazara.
>>524563376Seed oils are actually the worst thing you could put into your body, 100%.
>>524563376>my normie friends won't shut up about seed oilslisten them anon they care about you. like we cared about people not taking the vax, don't be trolling because its getting fucking boring now...
i lot a friend to it he was a cool guy, he was already obese, bowel cancer got him, but the vaxx probably killed him. so not underestimate the level of evil that exists, that seed oil is known to cause cancer in small circles. because it is concentrated grain slop which is why it is so bad it is what make you get the shits...but its worse than that ano they use things that will not kill you to mask it such as pasteurized milk which makes most people shit so they think only the milk etc they are messing with your head because they are evil and want to kill you!
as for the friend turbo cancer, no chance in hell. i could not have saved him even if i knew about it. I would have wanted to save he was a god guy.
it made me understand they do not care who it kills. revenge? no, you can't control it.
>>524595751me in the white t shirt with sleeve of tattoos
>>524585834>classic leaf posting shilling for the worst shitI love it. thank you, Canada. never change.
>>524563601>>524564187>opinions straight from CNN and BBC. fat is good for you, natural fat. processed factory slop is bad for you, the fat, the protein, the sugar, all of it. take your cholesterol meds and enjoy your arthritis low info midwits.
