The RAM prices is a red herring. What's really going on is that the dollar is crashing. Thats why the war drums are beating fast. They're trying to save the last sliver of their trust before it all goes belly up. Silver is mounting fast over the past few days. All of it is related.
>>524566751I don't like dodge trucks.
I still rock DDR3 and late 2014-2018 tech. 16 - 32 GB of DDR3 at 2400mhz is still surprisingly fast and effective. Might be a prime opportunity to buy up DDR3 ceiling max RAM and build "budget" rigs with over locked settings and selling them online. Been considering doing this but I'm lazy as fuck. The other problem too is the forced obsolescence coming from Windows. Faggot pieces of shit. Windows 10 works fine.
>>524566921Only reason I had to get DDR4 or whatever was cause the new motherboard I had bought only accepted it. I never saw anything wrong with DDR3 but was forced to.
>>524566921Also, this sounds like some communist society shit where old shit costs a lot cause of phoney economy.
>>524566751My 32GB of DDR4 will just have to be good enough for me for the forseeable future. I knew I should've upgraded to 64GB DDR5 3 months ago...
>>524566751if the dollar is crashing how do you explain the fact gasoline is 2.50/gallon?Remember when the dollar really crashed under joe biden and gas was 4.50? Pepperidge farm remembers.
>>524567045Has more to do with people not having enough money to travel as much, and other economies of scale. It's not a coincidence it's selling that low.
>>524567045OP is a shill trying to distract from the AI jewing that's happening to all of us.
>>524567152A lot of shit is going on, not just one thing.
>>524567083Do people also not have enough money to buy eggs and eat? How come they are so cheap?
>>524567196Have you forgotten that eggs went up in price months ago and haven't went back down. Everything is just falling into place. If anything, expect another price increase. Food is different because a lot of it is cheap already. Subsided food industry and a lot of junk food being sold to the public. If you want to see the actual food prices, check stuff like steak. Shit went up at least 35% over the last year, and Im an avid steak eater.
>>524567301I can get a dozen farm fresh eggs of the side of any rural road in my area for under $2. Try again...
>>524567032>32GB of DDR4
>>524567045Gasoline has been sitting between $3.10-$3.30 in my area since Biden took office. In all my 45 years on this planet I have never seen gas sit at that same price for this long. Which means all the reasons I was told for the price increase throughout the years was nothing but fucking bullshit.
>>524567348shalom
>Nvidia increases their card prices due to bitcoin farms>now ram increase due to A.I faggotryooooops haha,at least we have silly A.I videos of cats and porn
>>524567348Most people cannot.
>>524567439Fuck israel. Fuck all kikes. I piss on the torah.
>>524566973Yeah DDR3 works fine. My bottleneck is my motherboard and my CPU. If I bought the bigger board I could get 5.0 GHz on the CPU no problem and probably rock four sticks at 2400 EZ but instead I run just two at that speed to put less stress on the IMC. My friends keep busting my balls about using such old equipment but I like the novelty of it. It was so much fun creating and designing my own builds. It's like taking apart a car or building a new toy from scratch as a personal project. You learn how it works and mold it to your liking. I'm so glad I did it. And if I wanted to I could still get more performance out of my current rig. I could get a second GPU and an SLI bridge and get a 30% increase in VRAM, I could upgrade the board one more time, add on a couple more sticks of RAM. But I'm happy with what I've got and it's going to be relevant for at least the next five to ten years. If it ain't broke...Next build will be DDR4 though. It is getting close that time. I'm just waiting for the right game to come out on Steam to give me the signal that the old rigs time is up.
>>524567421All I’ve ever known is ducking one economic crisis after the other for 30yearsI’m tired boss.
>>524567301I literally just googled it it is 2 dollars for a dozen eggs on amazoncheap as fuck
>>524567635No normal person buys eggs on amazon. Like literally no one. Also, you lie.
>>524567631
>>524567348I get eggs in back yard.
>>524567699>organic>pasteur raised>cage freewhat is this commie shit?you fucking faggot
>>524567792I use to till my Rhode Island Reds stopped laying. Tired old bitches...
>>524566921Build some simple Linux boxes and sell them with the added perk of security.
>>524568156Not that easy these days. Even browsers use up so much fucking ram.
>>524567032i bought new ram right before the crashstupid ziggers and miggers
>>524567794Are you jewish? You sound jewish.
>>524568156See I've used Linux (Mint) in the past and I just didn't like the UI. It's too barren, and admittedly I'm lazy and I like the Windows base UI because it's quick and easy to learn the layout and find your way around. I felt similar about the iPhone / Apple layouts ten years ago but eventually made the switch to Android and have never looked back. I prefer the open platform. Unfortunately I think I will be making the switch to Linux permanently once my current rig becomes completely unusable for gaming. Windows has way too much telemetry nowadays. I've had to basically learn how to do my own IT and cyber security just to avoid all of the data mining inherent to Windows 10 now. Nobody fucking asked for it except the glowniggers and the corpo cabal. Fags. I've heard I could run a virtual machine on Linux if I really needed / wanted Windows on there. But I haven't looked into it much. In time. >>524568200> Not using BraveNGMI
>>524568432You say >it is good to care for animal welfarefine that is your values. But you are a foolish goyim because you don't discriminate on WHO you are giving your money to. You don't realize that when you buy something from someone, you are giving money to THEIR values, not yours.
>>524568512Im using Brave, too. Currently at 500 MB.
>>524566751except everything else I buy is the same price. maybe a bit higher, but look at eggs or milk
>>524567865I wish I could have chickens and my own garden like my grandfather did but I rent. That old bastard ran a massive vegetable garden until he was 96/97. They don't make men like that anymore. Warhorse.
>>524568625>but look at eggs or milk>>524567699
MUHRAM
>>524568512Mint is the absolute beginner desktop. Next time, go with Ubuntu if you want one step up or Fedora if you want two steps up. Mint has a very customized (and ancient-looking) desktop environment, whereas most Linux distros just let you install vanilla Gnome or KDE. Both of those are superior not just to Mint's Cinnamon but also Windows and MacOS's desktops.
>>524570654Ubuntu is the standard. I hate linux, but I always use it for anything Linux. I would like KDE more due to the more windows like UI, but there's something off about the UI experience.
>>524570737I like Ubuntu for laptops because installation is seamless and all the drivers work. You won't get the newest version of anything, but that also means you don't have to run the update command frequently. If I were doing IT support for my family, I'd give them an Ubuntu machine.
>>524566751>crash the economy>start a war>wait>Hey guys, let's do a great reset of our societies!>to avoid war, we'll create one big global governmentIt's not like they wrote 2 books about this subject.
>>524573663Only two books? They're being rather sneaky for once.
>>524566751THE RAM IS TOO DAMN HIGH
>>524566751Duh.
>>524566751What’s really happening is an industry that kept market share by constantly releases slightly better versions of the same things it approaching the end of slight improvements as the physical size of circuits are about as small as they will ever be, measured in width of atoms. This means to maintain, much less grow market share, they need lots of sales of shit that is equivalent to what people already have. Processing hungry sectors like tha “AI” scam and crypto mining are one approach. Manufactured scarcity and planned obsolescence will are the future.
>>524567301>eggs haven't gone back downOh, really? What fucking island do YOU live on?
RAM stackers just keep winning!
>>524574288Thats just the consequence of using fiat money. Usually, if we were using real money, like silver or gold, there would be no reason to grow. Just remain stable, which is a good thing. You simply innovate on what you can. But because companeis are incentivized to always keep growing due to inflation, it leads to shit like this where companies start perverting their production and incentives.
>>524574299I live in the US. I already showed example prices.
>>524566751silver already crashed, it was a rugpull
>>524574413>silver still at 70stfu
Micron is going to 600 bucks a share and literally I am the only person on /biz/ talking about it.
>>524574378Fair point on a broader level to an extent, but I’m just looking forward to nvidia shills arguing there’s no reason to expect ram to last more than a couple years. It won’t be long, two weeks perhaps.
>>524575002Just go to the gym. This fixes more than you think.
>>524566751>don't worry the "free" market will fix it, just like the house mark..hahahaha
>>524567083this, it's the slowing real (non FAGMAN) economy coupled with normal seasonality and international intrigue around suppressing the oil price to hurt the Russian war effort.
>>524566751Who the fuck is upgrading hella computers that this is a problem?
>>524568512>I've heard I could run a virtual machine on Linux if I really needed / wanted Windows on thereyes you very easily can and MicroSaar doesn't even force you to activate win 11 anymore, all you lose is ability to customize.
>>524574071Kek
>>524575164I see a new computer being built at Microcenter everyday.
>>524566921The only reason anyone would need more than 16gb is because windows is trash. 4-16gb is still viable on Linux depending on workload. The only reason one might need more than 32gb or faster than DDR3 would be local inference of sparse attention MoE transformer models optimized for low active parameter counts in vram + full model offloading to system RAM, and that's where this price manipulation comes in. We now have dozens of ways on paper to make LLMs roughly 10-100x more resource efficient (if we pull off the engineering challenges of applying and combining everything research has found over the last year). We've already seen a lot of this in the last few months with models like kimi k2, deepseek 3.2, and minimax m2.1 just to name a few. China was forced to optimize earlier due to lack of hardware, but western researchers are also finally starting to optimize. Google is now working on a sort of internal reinforcement learning architecture to optimize parameters weights and vectors which honestly will probably out perform any other current optimization strategy if they pull it off. This should terrify you because Google is the last entity we want leading the race any they already have a massive overall lead, gemini is by far the best all-around model right now in real world usage and it's not even close, but I digress.My point is current trends put us on a trajectory where people could be running LLMs with performance of top tier frontier hyperscaler models today on modest setups with maybe as little as 64-256gb RAM and 16-48gb vram. We're maybe 6 months away from that. So they need to make sure no one can afford the hardware for this to protect their cloud-first business strategies. All western hyperacalers only benefit from people being forced to run to them and pay subscriptions for inference. I refuse to believe this was purely an unfortunate side effect of the move to lock ram supplier into HBM contracts.
>>524575993Also, at least 99% of people have absolutely no idea what large, complex, agentic workflow environment with effective scaffolding are now capable of and how rapidly this space is developing. Mark my works, agentic coding workflows are positioned to do for modern programming languages what the compiler did for assembly - hide it behind one more layer of abstraction where 99% of people will never touch it in the future. I know because I've managed to actually build and scale up large and complex projects cleanly without AI slop by enforcing architecture, design patterns and other constraints that leave no where for slip to exist. Most people don't think this far ahead or even realize it's possible. Top-down wishful thinking based function design coupled with enforcement of pure function enforcement works incredibly well for this. Agents never need to know about anything but the function they are working on, they aren't allowed to create cross dependencies, they don't need context beyond the input and output required for a function, they can perform unit tests until functions are air tight, and all this requires is maybe a couple dozen lines of markdown to define the constraints and where and how to transition from "ideal" functions to "pure" functions. That's handled by simply using a context object pattern.This is just one strategy I came up with, but it works perfectly. AI agents literally can't fuck up if you can define your requirements and constraints clearly enough and they logically work. So the human work of programming as we know it today is going to shift to software architecture and code review, that's it. The LLMs do the rest. Solid agentic workflows mean natural language design documents, specs, and PRD can practically just be compiled. Give it a year max and this will 100% be the norm.
>>524566751is it ok to buy 64 gb DDR5 now or should i wait 2 more weeks until prices go down?
>>524576962I was just about to drop $750 CAD on 64GB of DDR5, then thought better of it (I actually sort of need it I fucked up and bought 32gb without EXPO but it has XMP), as RAM is dirt cheap to make and the LLMs aren't panning out. Feels like a top but this isn't financial advice.
>>524576962wait for the supreme court to strike down trump's tariffs. That should give some clarity and confidence to the producers and we will se ram prices decline.
>>524566751I do not need ram, but I expect to use my organs for good
>>524577578I wouldn't bet on that. The fact foreign countries respond in kind proves the case that it's a matter of foreign policy.
>>524576798>So the human work of programming as we know it today is going to shift to software architecture and code review, that's it.Afaik this is how management talked about how SQL is going to change the landscape some decades ago... and what happened? People still where to stupid to use SQL and so ORMs came next.
>>524566751Hmm…The real issue is that the AI cultists and electronic elf worshippers at OpenAI decided to go all in and buy up 40% of all ram chip (the chips themselves, not the final assembled product) for the next few years.This sent seismic waves through the market and AI industry and basically everyone else started to follow suit, just in case OpenAI knows something that they don’t. I believe it’s just the religious AI faction getting tired of waiting and trying to brute force progress to get to their AGI. Which is foolish because they’ll never be able to pay of all the loans accrued from this and accounting for prior capital raising events.We are still stuck in the attention transformer architecture paradigm for all of our AI models which I can tell you with 100% certainty will never generate enough revenue to pay break even. Nor will we get to super AGI with that architecture either. If I was OpenAI I’d pull back the ridiculous ram purchase and bide my time. They’re picking of a price war that will just artificially inflate the cost of nearly all components and hardware in the tech AI space, thereby making it even more costly to break even. Raising the ceiling for breaking even. Not even that they are risking an actual AI bubble and crash, after which the major investors will be very hesitant to pour in money into future as projects and their AGI efforts will be effectively curtailed.
>>524577950I mean SQL is still there on the backend, and normies can get someone who knows what they're doing to design and pull reports from it. Most ERM software has all of that integrated to some degree, or your company is gay and you use Salesforce.
>>524566751running on 16gb ddr4 3200mhz since 2017, will last me until 2040 you just wait
