was john brown right or wrong for trying to free the slaves in 1859?
Qrd
>>524582344Proto-antifa. Would troon out if he were alive today.
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>>524582344Idk why middle school/high school history teachers hype this guy up so much. This guy didn't really do anything and failed badly
>>524582408>be john brown>be divinely inspired to free the slaves because the bible said slavery is wrong>run violent resistance to free slaves in kansas during bleeding kansas>freed many and sent them to canada>fast forward to 1859>he wants to capture a federal armory at harper's ferry virginia>takes george washington's grand nephew hostage plus around 20-30 townsfolk with his 20 soldiers of abolitionists and freed/runaway slaves>wanted all the thousands of slaves nearby to join him but none did>robert e lee and local militia surround him and capture him>he goes on trial unflinching the whole time ready to die a martyr>gets hung>everyone claims now he helped start the civil war
>>524582408try google you filthy kike.he was a niggerlover, like you
>>524582664because he was a big deal
>>524582700go fuck your mother, spoonfeeder.to a filthy kike, no less.
>>524582812newfag he asked for a qrd
>false-flag
I don't like yankees by battle hymn pf the republic is a breddy good one and I believe that was written to the tune of a folk song about john brown. What a will say of harpers ferry is Lee's handling of it and words on it are yet more proof that he was among the most noble and honorable men this nation ever produced.
george washington's belt buckle (stolen by john brown when he took washington's grand nephew hostage) bent the sword of the marine lieutenant that stormed the firehouse. 1 in 100,000 chance allowed john brown to live and die a martyr instead of dying right there on the spot
>>524582504No he wasn't, he was just following scripture like a good christcuck. He's one of you.
>>524582664>Idk why middle school/high school history teachers hype this guy up so much. This guy didn't really do anything and failed badlyBecause they are sympathetic nigger loving communists
>>524583197>he was just following scriptureScripture prohibits fornication with animals, sukdeep.
>>524583389I AM ON THE SIDE OF JUSTICE AND YOU ARE ON THE SIDE OF SHAME
>>524583132>allowed john brown to live and die a martyr instead of dying right there on the spotwouldn't he have been more of a martyr by dying in battle than hung like the criminal he was?
>>524583509in the 2 month period after the failed raid and before his death by hanging at trial, he was visited by countless journalists and politicians from both the north and south. he became a celebrity and wasted no time using his platform to get his point across. and he never got tired from speaking nonstop to his jail visitors including southern politicians too. pic related. he was wounded in the raid so he was laying down on a cot
>>524583731forgot pic
Being an abolitionist is whatever, the real problem is wanting to give blacks equal rights instead of deporting them or keeping them contained in one state or something. How could you guys mess up that badly
>>524582703>try googleNice try glownigger
>>524582344He was an insane retard and it's a shame he wasn't killed sooner.
>>524582344Freeing slaves is the christian thing to do, no?
>>524583197shut the fuck up pajeet trash subhuman animal
>>524582344he was a good person but a terrible strategist. pretty cringe all his abolitionist friends and Abe Lincoln disavowed him to not be associated with the raid. >>524584792If he was insane then the court couldn’t have convicted him retard
>>524584911Nigger it was the mid 1800's. He was an insane retard and should have been tortured to death first. Every single person that holds him up as a hero doesn't actually know anything about him or is evil. No exceptions.
>>524584985at trial he was deemed not insane. John brown himself even said it himself. all he did was believe in the Bible where it said slavery was wrong
>>524584985everyone who interviewed him said he wasn't insane. he knew his stuff
>>524585303>the crazy guy said he wasn't crazyCool, he was still a murderer and a piece of shit. He died strangling to death.
>>524582344I think we've lived with the results long enough to make an honest assessment that it was certainly a mistake.
>>524585331I don't give a shit.
>>524583132You know it's interesting, the reason that happened is because of a Jew named Francis Bannerman who got a contract to supply swords, firearms, and beans to the US military. He supplied notoriously bad equipment but somehow wasn't charged with fraud. Later he took his "winnings" and invested in the US's first comprehensive sporting goods company, it survived until WWI or so. Of course it was, also, all cheap garbage that he sold in that new business too.
>>524585546you're in this thread faggot so you clearly give a shit
>>524585303Where in the Bible is slavery wrong?
>>524586050No I don't give a shit what anyone else says about him, he was a crazy retard. If he was born today, he'd be a tranny and Antifa.
>>524586362didnt read faggot
>>524582344stupid marge simpson hair
>>524582344cuckold for niggers.
>>524586294Matthew 7:12Hebrews 13:3
>>524582700>bible said slavery is wrongbible teaches how to treat your slaves
>>524586413We both know you did. Just like you read this, faggot.
>>524586613>changes IDnot only are you in this thread since the beginning you are continuing to stay here. i thought you didnt care faggot? why dont you go back to gooning to tranny porn
>>524586706>ESL shitskin detected
>>524586761KEK i was right on the money about you gooning to tranny porn huh
>>524582408>Qrdcrazy antifa faggot> got domed for trying to take over an armory>complete fucking failure
Theres this whole northern folk heroism that still exists slightly in very radically leftist 100% white areas in New England that was totally destroyed by the reality of niggers during the 20th century. These jackasses really thought Lincoln was the next Jesus Christ.
the stars in heaven are a lookin’ kindly down on the grave of old john brown
>>524587927While John Brown's soul is roasting in hell.
>>524588415nah he was based
>>524589197Nah, he was proto-Antifa. If had been born today, he'd start each speech with a land acknowledgement and his pronouns. He's dead and roasting in hell where he belongs.
john brown did nothing wrong
>>524585344but slavemasters aren’t when they kill their slaves?
>>524582344>board full of WN/WS>love a guy who helped give us Current YearHow deranged are you people?
>>524591138He did a lot wrong.>>524592572Correct, as niggers are not human.
>>524582504Trannies hate God though
>>524582700>Christcucks ruin civilization What else is new?
bbc slut
>>524582344He killed George Washington's nephew.
He murdered whites to save niggers, thats all you need to know
>>524593779>He killed George Washington's nephew.after he testified at his trial?
>>524583509jews can't comprehend that. They think talking to journos is more impactful than going down fighting.
>>524582344He was right. Slavery is barbaric. It's a good thing we abolished it.
>>524592713Do you hate this nigga too?
>>524582344I would’ve sent them back which means freeing themBut in reality the only difference between the two sides was that the north wanted to use them as a voting bloc and the south wanted cheap labor. America has been a corrupt shithole since it was created
>>524582344Americans fkd up by being tricked by the ottomans into selling thems slaves, ottomans and that area is obsessed with doin long cons on Europeans
>>524594702how is it abolished when a group that practices slavery of toetaggers more than anyone controls your entire country
>>524594702You are posting on 4chan through a device made by Chinese slave children.You don't consider it barbaric because Goldberg didn't brainwash you with the Diary of Anne Chang.
>>524594915Slavery of what now?
>>524594992That's barbaric too. I can oppose multiple things at the same time. There's no reason anything I'm using now couldn't have been made without slave labor. And that will increasingly become the case with AI and automation, and all the human progress these things will bring.
>>524595107You don't oppose shit, you actively benefit from it.You would renounce things that you consider evil, unless you are a hypocritical retard, in which case your opinion matters shit.I don't consider it barbaric, because it's a fact that since the beginning of humankind, we've used slaves for everything. It's part of our nature. And we'll keep using humans as slaves until we can turn machines into slaves.In fact, the entirety of the current problems of the world is that NPC cattle such as yourself refuses to see this fact, so when EU/American technocrats bring their new slaves, you look the other way because "slavery was abolished!". If you retards actually saw it for how it was, aka bringing retards with barely any cognitive function to serve as a new underclass, you would follow your own claims and forbid those at power to get them to come to the West.
>>524582344I heard John Brown's baby had a cold upon its chest
>>524595516I think you're hurting and you get on the internet to lash out at people to make you feel better about your own suffering.
>>524582784That man looks like a nigger lover
>>524582344>>524582664>>524582700>>524582784>>524584257Abolitionists came in many flavors. Not all felt sympathy for the slaves. Some just wanted an end to the nigger rape and low wages that came along with slavery (the USA was a 90% agricultural economy until after the civil war).Some wanted blacks dead. Some wanted them back in Africa (Liberia was founded as a home for freed slaves). Some wanted them left to fend for themselves, which is what ultimately happened.Not all slave owners approved of slavery. They were forced to buy slaves to remain competitive, the same way today's businesses are forced to outsource or die.Slavers were the BLM of the 19th century. Nigger loving slavers beat, tortured, killed, and burned down the property of abolitionists all over the country. >As Owen Lovejoy gave his speech condemning slavery, several Democrats in the audience, brandishing pistols and canes, threatened him with physical harm, to which the Republicans present pledged to defend Lovejoy if the Democrats attempted to attack him. In response to the Democrats' threats, Lovejoy stood firm and responded, "I will stand where I please" and "Nobody can intimidate me." Eventually we had to fight a civil war to bring them to heel. There was no way of talking them out of it. They were completely addicted to niggers. But that war was a deal with the devil, because the victory of the federal government over states' rights is responsible for most of the ills of our country today.
>>524583389So goyim are animals?
>>524582344He was a nigger over so inherently wrong
We should have our own “Guy Fawkes” holiday for John Brown, where we burn effigies and mock the catastrophic failure of his terrorist plot.
>>524583197technically antifa has euro roots but it could be argued that the american part spun off from the churchfeminism and sjws came from christianity
>>524582344People like this should be made to walk from South Africa to Europe without a map.
>>524594702They just learned to dress it up
>>524582344You know who hauled his ass in at Harper's Ferry? Robert E. Lee and J.E.B. Stuart lol.
>>524583505>SIDE OF JUSTICEYeah, thats why he got ran out of the west for arbitrarily murdering people. Because he was on the side of justice. John Brown and Lincoln are two of the most white washed figures in American history.
>>524596587and george washington's belt buckle for the sword he was gifted by frederick the great of prussia bent the sword of the marine lieutenant who tried to run a sword through his stomach
>>524596051All slave trade had been outlawed decades before any of this. In fact the confederates literally put in their Constitution verbatim "no importation of anyone of the negro race." The only question was what to do with those already here. And say what you want about slavery but none of them back then could have had the foresight to guess their own countrymen would do something so crazy as fight a bloody war to turn them loose on everyone.
>>524596709Robert E Lee's father was actually like best friends with George Washington and a hero of the revolutionary war.
>>524596737>none of them back then could have had the foresight to guess their own countrymen would do something so crazy as fight a bloody war to turn them loose on everyone.“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.”- Abraham Lincoln. 1862
>>524594992They aren't 'slaves'. Working in a low wage job isn't the same as slavery and it's disingenuous to conflate the two. By your logic the majority of young white Americans are slaves right now because they work menial jobs in Amazon warehouses and similar that they don't particularly enjoy. Or we'd be calling miners 'slaves' too for working dangerous jobs for bad pay, which is worse than making phones in a factory in China.Words have meanings. Which is it? Are all those things true or are they not?
>>524594483>after he testified at his trial?Did you even bother to read that pic? Here's the whole article for your edification.https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/why-the-war-was-not-about-slavery/
>>524596929Lincoln didn't save the union, he collapsed it into a giant amalgamation of federal districts. A union requires constituent parts willingly joining together. Unions arent held together with grapeshot and bayonets. It was not that the Southerners did not love the Union, but that they loved the Constitution more. >“I can only say that while I have considered the preservation of the constitutional power of the General Government to be the foundation of our peace and safety at home and abroad, I yet believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people, not only [is] essential to the adjustment and balance of the general system, but the safeguard to the continuance of a free government. I consider it as the chief source of stability to our political system; whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it. -Robert E. Lee, 1866
>>524597315Slavery was of course a fundamental issue underlying the conflict. That much is obvious. But slavery had been a contentious issue for a long time without devolving into a full on war (even though it got close before). What triggered the war was succession. Now most wars in history can be correctly traced immediately to breakdowns in diplomacy. This was also the case here. Even after succession, the south sent delegations to discuss hotpoints- specifically how to negotiate federal installations in southern states (and the natural objects thereof like ports and bays etc.). The North refused all negotiation on this topic and predictably the dispute over federal forts led to the actual fighting.
>>524597317>It was not that the Southerners did not love the Union, but that they loved the Constitution more.Save me your Lost Cause bullshit, bro
>>524597724>LOST CAUSE LOST CAUSELol what are you an undergrad history TA? But jokes aside it's pretty hard to treat it like some myth created after the fact when people believed it during the war, in the immediate aftermath of the war, right up until today. If anything your view point is the more modern academic revisionist one.
>>524584849Yes...
>>524597685>Slavery was of course a fundamental issue underlying the conflict.It wasn't fundamental. But nice try at rewriting history.>Abraham Lincoln was at pains to assure the South that he intended no threat to slavery. He said he understood Southerners and that Northerners would be exactly like them living in the same circumstances. He said that while slavery was not a good thing (which most Southerners agreed with) he had no power to interfere with slavery and would not know what to do if he had the power. He acquiesced in a proposed 13th Amendment that would have guaranteed slavery into the 20th century. Later, he famously told Horace Greeley that his purpose was to save the Union, for which he would free all the slaves, some of the slaves, or none of the slaves. The Emancipation Proclamation itself promised a continuance of slavery to States that would lay down their arms.
>>524598117Lincoln famously campaigned on "no emancipation without repatriation" when he was criticized as an 'equalizer' (a dirty word at the time). And yet, when the chips were down he did exactly what he vowed not to do... joining a long line of politicians who promised one thing when expedient but do the opposite in reality.Lincoln also lamented that the common government had no power to use force against states (as documented explicitly by the minutes if the convention and later ratifications of the Constitution). And yet when the chips were down he yet again cast these principles aside. He vocally rejected many time before the war that he was a "Nationalizer" when this criticism was heaped on him... and yet as soon as the war ended he personally pushed through the National Banking Act and National Cirrency Acts all but creating a defact National Government. See a trend here? At every turn he did the opposite of the things he said he would do. A familiar habit for lifelong politicians I would say. So don't worry so much about his speech-making, show me his actions instead.
>>524582344why does he look funny? also those fucking dumbo ears lmao
>>524584849>Freeing slaves is the christian thing to do, no?9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me. 1Tim 1:1011 “The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore— 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves.14 “They will say, ‘The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your luxury and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.’ 15 The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn 16 and cry out:Rev 18:13
>>524598624he was old but he was very intense
>>524598564>So don't worry so much about his speech-making, show me his actions instead.Here is Frederick Douglass, the most prominent African American of the 19th century:“It must be admitted, truth compels me to admit . . . Abraham Lincoln was not, in the fullest sense of the word, either our man or our model. In his interests, in his associations, in his habits of thought, and in his prejudices, he was a white man. He was preeminently the white man’s president, entirely devoted to the welfare of white men. He was ready and willing at any time . . . to deny, postpone, and sacrifice the rights of humanity in the colored people to promote the welfare of the white people of his country.”What better testimony is needed that emancipation was a by-product, not a goal, of a war of conquest. Let me repeat: emancipation was a by-product of the war, never a goal.
>>524598829We judge a tree by the fruit it renders- we judge a man by his actions not the testimony of others, if we judged a man by what some others say about him we could all be Satan incarnate and if we judged men by what they said about themsleves we would all be angels. He has been accused of being an equalizer and a nationalizer. His actions show him unequivocally to have been a nationalizer- a point you haven't attempted to refute. His actions after the war in reguard to reconstruction show him to have been an unequivocal equalizer.
