>floods your country with millions of retarded brown slave laborers and shitty scam products and services that get worse by the yearheh nothin personnel, economic opportunity zone labor market participant.
Can you point out the capitalist laws that allow subhumans into white countries?
>>524627068Sure. Supply and demand as it relates to your wages. For line to go up they need to pay you less and they do that by flooding the labour market with retarded brown people.
>>524627068there is no guiding force that yields this phenomena and it's purely coincidental that every first world capitalist nation is importing millions of brown retard slave laborers in a desperate attempt to control costs.
>>524627170so you can't think of a single capitalist law that grants subhumans from other countries citizenship in white countries for no reason?
>>524627209I already told you it faggot.
>>524627242That's not a law. Don't you think it's interesting there's not a single law that you could describe as "capitalism" that has anything to do with immigration? Most laws which allow subhuman dysgenics to become citizens aren't even liberal, they're socialist
>>524627209my IQ isn't sufficiently low enough to play along with this line of questioning. i'm not even sure what you mean by "capitalist law," as if there needs to be some sort of codification on paper (a requisite for an appeal to authority?) before someone can make an empirical observation of reality like >>524627170.
>>524627288It is exactly what our governments are doing, and why. Capitalism does not work for you and I. Those that pull the strings only allow it to benefit them.
>>524627209>grants subhumans from other countries citizenshipit starts in the form of work visas and eventually they get permanent residency and citizenship. business drives it. business under a capitalist system.
>>524627344Okay and who invented work visas that are actually citizenship, not capitalists.
>>524626997>millions of retarded brown slave laborersThis is the solution.The problem is how to become masters.Stop complaining, use the free slaves and get your empire up you beta cuck!
>>524627390These days capitalists have moved beyond national borders. They stand astride the whole world milking us all for their own fortunes.
>>524627390>Okay and who invented work visas politicians who serve capitalist enterprises. work visas come with application fees and other administrative burdens, which are sponsored by (paid by) businesses.
>>524626997Wow, I never really looked at it like that before. What do you do for work now and what do you suppose your role will be after we abolish private property?
>>524627544That's not what I said, who invented the system that allows people to come over to the west and have kids and be granted citizenship? Because it wasn't capitalists
>>524627604You sure about that? Because capitalists absolutely love cheap foreign labour.
>>524627604refer back to >>524627305.
>>524626997The thumbnail looks like a prostate test. Which perfectly describes capitalism I guess.
>>524627639Yes? Because that's illegal. So what group could convince retards like yourself that doing something illegal is not only legal, but somebody else did it and not them?
>>524627585i'm a middle manager in corporate accounting at a fortune 20 company. given my education and professional accomplishments, and considering my work is so tightly coupled to government spending even under our capitalist economy (hint hint), i suppose i would be a low to mid level bureaucrat. under communism or socialism someone like me would enjoy a higher status and higher quality of life than someone like you.
>>524627684A capitalist couldn't give a fuck about your nation or your borders. The guy over there is cheaper than you so he brings him here to work and you can either be even cheaper than him again or go hungry.
>>524627754So how do capitalists morally justify flooding shitskins into the west? I've got you in check
>>524626997OP, you're legitimately retarded. The money used to fund the invasion was taken against the will of the people and it's used to artificially suppress wages so that businesses don't have to compete for labor. The only thing it has in common with capitalism is that money is involved.
>>524627684> So what group could convince retards like yourself that doing something illegal is not only legal, but somebody else did it and not them?probably a group of people who control a lot of capital (idk what you call them, CAPITALISMISTS maybe?) and would personally benefit from cheap labor. really makes you think.
>>524627781I already told you. They give him cheap labour. He does not need to pay them as much so he makes more money.
>>524627797>I know for a fact capitalism did this>source?>uhcome on this is just sad
>>524627068>capitalist lawsThere are no capitalist laws because capitalism is lawless by definition. Any law inhibiting immigration comes from the state and restricts the free flow of capital and labor, which is inherently anti-capitalist.
>>524627068What do you even mean?Capitalism mostly means lack of law except contracts.
>>524627817Hello? Are you mentally retarded? Okay lets dumb it down a bit. What group of people morally justifies flooding the west illegally with sheepskins in general?
>>524627872shitskins*
>>524627872There are no morals involved retard. It's just pure greed.
>>524627726>i'm a middle manager in corporate accounting at a fortune 20 company.That's cool. My dad works at Nintendo.>i suppose i would be a low to mid level bureaucrat.I'm sure you'd be some sort of high party member. Best of luck with that.
>>524627899Nobody morally justifies flooding the west with shitskins? You're lying
>>524627784>fund the invasion explain this in more detail?>artificially suppress wages it's not artificial, it's supply and demand which exists in all forms of economies.>businesses don't have to compete for labor.why would they? unless you have an extraordinary skill set (you don't) there is never a case where you could upset the power balance that exists between 1 individual and a massive enterprise.
>>524627917Not doing so is racist (and means I make less money).
>>524627872>What group of people morally justifies flooding the west illegally with sheepskins in generalLol, whites?Or do you really believe every business owner in the US is a jew?
>>524627942Who was it that popularized racism? and don't say capitalists
>>524627911>That's cool. My dad works at Nintendo.why would i lie about being an accountant?>I'm sure you'd be some sort of high party member.>Best of luck with that.i accept your cope and i acknowledge your seethe.
>>524627917They're called capitalistshttps://www.uschamber.com/workforce/u-s-chamber-files-lawsuit-to-support-businesses-use-of-h-1b-visas
>>524627976>there's no group in the world that validates destroying capitalism with shitskins
>>524627968Why would a capitalist bother with trying to preserve a nation retard? It's all about money and all that just gets in the way of them rinsing every penny they can out of the goyim.
>>524628025Capitalism just means imperialism
>>524627137>muh capitalism floods you nation with retarded shitskins on welfareFor labor to be cheap it has to first be productive.
>>524627344government gives subsidies to corporations that import migrants>capitalism!damn you are all brainwashed retards.
>>524628051How's that?
>>524627872actually he is not wrong.this goes back to the chinese railroad workers. They were deported after the work was done. Look into the 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act.Businesses are doing all of importing for cheap labor but then the jews in government grant citizenship to destroy the country. it’s an exploited system. the 60s were really bad for this country.
>>524628020>destroying capitalism with shitskinsShow us the group, dumbfuck. Capitalists have been mass importing slave and cheap labor since this country's inception and the state have been the only ones to stop it. There is no self-regulation when it comes to immigration. Man the fuck up and make a point.
By restricting immigration, the government directly intervenes in labor supply, artificially making it scarce resulting in inflated labor costs.Anti-immigration is anti-free market. If you don't support the unconditional free flow of labor and capital you're literally a communist.
>>524628078Marx invented capitalism and communism to complain about the British empire which is why all socialists fight the english
>>524628068So all those illegal mexicans working your fields are actually not doing so?
>>524628075work visas are not a subsidy at all.
>>524627917What an insufferably stupid strawman. >Hurdur Jews are the only reason why capitalism leads to what we have nowThe moral justification is just "profit motive" and "fiduciary duty", but you're incapable of arguing in good faith because you worship "free market" as some sort of demigod and need to twist everything with semantic games to fit this stupid model of reality to justify why you're getting fucked up the ass daily.
>>524628075>government gives subsidies to corporations that import migrantswhy would "government" (people who are elected to public office) do this? do they have a motivation to do this, maybe some sort of financial interest that benefits from access to cheap labor?
>>524628138It's so funny how you freaks refuse to acknowledge the only reason shitskins are allowed into the west is because somebody told them it was their moral prerogative
>>524628194Take a quick look around all your capitalist moguls and see how many of them want to flood the country with Indians and other such scabs.(it's all of them).
>>524628194it's PURELY COINCIDENTAL that every first world capitalist nation is resorting to importing millions of brown laborers. slavic, far east, north american -- they ALL subscribe to the same unified moral ideologies that create an imperative for unlimited brown slave labor immigration SOLELY on grounds of morality.
>>524628253For a second lets imagine capitalism doesn't exist, who then is responsible
>>524628068>For labor to be cheap it has to first be productive.You have no idea how whites are lazy for farm job.I have personal experience about that when I went to the US. Not giving details tho.Honestly you guys are just fucked.
>>524628194Yeah faggot the invisible hand of the shitskin market just airdropped infinity jeets on the rest of the world and capitalists are seething that they're forced to use underhanded tactics to deprive native westerners of the jobs jeets are being gifted. Amazing insight.
>>524628322The corporations.
>>524627326Central banking and corporations are not 'capitalism'. Neither is our naval forces protecting shipping lanes to transport chinkshit 'capitalism' 'Go back and read Adam Smith etc and then familiarize yourself with the term -'rent seeking' and mercantilsm. And realize that the Luddites were prophets.
>>524628347Okay so the corporations are asking who to send them 50 million shitskin scabs?
>>524628099>Anti-immigration is anti-free market. If you don't support the unconditional free flow of labor and capital you're literally a communist.okay.
>>524628395The politicians.
>>524627544Almost as if self dealing by people in positions of power would exist regardless of the ideology.Hmm. In that context communism and socialism are worse because there are no compering systems to state power.
>>524628415If you're a politician and you support importing 50 million shitskins and giving them citizenship off the back of a work visa you're not a capitalist
>>524628462Why's that?
>>524628450when hitler threw millions of enemies into forced labor camps, did he make free citizen employees compete against the slaves on the labor market?
>>524628462>no true scotsman fallacysee >>524627170
>>524628462Citizenship is an anti-capitalist concept as your fellow spiritual kike aluded to here >>524628099
>>524628134And what about the rest of them? You think even half of them are picking tomatoes? That's just the spics. Who do the Somalis work for? Do you think poos with fake diplomas are doing anything of value?
>>524626997Capitalism doesn't require free market, if a few large monopolies control everything, it's still capitalism.
>>524628068they are productive.they are not GOOD though.This is why the iphone sucks now when it used to have the best failure-proof software, and every major tech company has giant bugs in all of their software.I really wish people would see how close the left and right are here. Businesses are enemy number one. They take your jobs, dilute your salaries, feed you poison because it’s cheaper and then still shrinkflate everything and raise prices to squeeze every dime out of you possible. The left blames CEOs (glorified “yes men”), the right blames jews (correlation), the smart people blame the board (only there for money).There is nothing wrong with being capitalistic and running a business. There is something wrong with having these businesses ran by people whose ONLY interest in the company is as an investment vehicle.If both sides teamed up here and started imposing regulations we would fix a lot of issues including h1b. Unfortunately the time for this was in the 90s when every bit of food was tie dye, preserved to death, and when h1b was new. It’s over and there’s nothing to be done except an event that would make any other holocaust look like a tea party. You’d have to deport anyone without provable family roots to the great depression or earlier.
>>524628477Because if the only thing that matters is the cheap labor, capitalists would never grant them citizenship
>>524626997don't blame capitalism for the actions of a bunch of faggots. Freedom is the enemy. It's going bye bye
>>524628538What point are you trying to make?
>>524628559How does that stop them being cheap? Supply and demand. More people = cheaper people.
>>524627639And these mythical non-capitalists who set themselves against that ... Are where, exactly?I've yet to meet one leftie who thinks mass immigration is a bad thing. They've secured permanent power for themselves by importing a voting base and furnishing them with freebies. At the expense of native populations.
>>524628549>the smart people blame the board (only there for money).the board seeks out stock appreciation, EPS, cash flows, net income, etc.it's a symptom of capitalism.
>>524628144Why would that require immigrants if the subsidies are what makes the labor cheap?
>>524628619You dun fucked up now. If capitalists actually were allowed to run the system like they wanted niggers would still be in chains lol. No, importing shitskins and granting them citizenship is the antithesis to capitalism
>>524628623Pretty sure you're talking to them. Capitalism is utter cancer and so is communism. Humanity needs a third way.
>>524627288Holy cope. The people who influence our governments to import infinity niggers are the importers, a distinct class of amoral capitalists. The reason they do it is profit in a free market where they're allowed to do whatever they want to make money.
>>524628645>>524628549also your point about >If both sides teamed up here and started imposing regulations we would fix a lot of issues including h1b.is a load of nonsense. brown monkey slave labor exists because capitalism has no solution (beyond slave labor) for cost control.
>>524628623The USSR didn't have mass immigration. East Germany was significantly more ethnically homogenous than West Germany.>>524628671>America never would've stopped importing niggers under capitalismWonderful argument in support of it. You know Thomas Jefferson opposed that idea because he saw the outcome of that dumbfuckery in Haiti right?
>>524628678>the capitalists are exploiting horrible laws that were created to be exploited!and who created the laws that were made to be exploited?
>>524628756America did stop importing niggers as soon as it became a country, they didn't free them though. That would be a silly non capitalist thing to do
>>524628671The "perfect" capitalist system is no rules at all. Anything goes. Buying an selling heroin or slaves so long as it makes them money.
>>524628663immigrants require less subsidies than native citizens. they accept a lower quality of life, because they grew up in nigger filth squalor. just look at how south/central americans on welfare live compared to whites on welfare. also consider that economic immigrants are largely working age males. the most expensive and least productive parts of their life (childhood) are behind them. they "hit the ground running," ready to work for slave wages.
>>524628138The free market exists regardless. Even in controlled environments like prisons people trade with each other.Blaming capitalism is just a sham to allow further State intrusion into daily life.
>>524628797You're just describing the state of nature
>>524627209>f a single capitalist law that grants subhumans from other countries citizenship in white countries for no reason?H1B
>>524628888No because nature has its own rules that the perfect capitalist also ignores.
>>524628922What law grants visa workers in the US citizenship if they have children here?
>>524627068It's just the nature of competition. If one company hires a bunch of shitskins they can save money and offer their products cheaper and have the competitive edge. Other companies are now forced to follow suit if they don't want to lose market share.
>>524628845yeah anon, good point. companies with $100B/year revenue headquartered at a PO box in delaware (except for tax purposes, then it's a PO box in bermuda) demanding 100k indians a year on sham visas -- that's just an extension of the natural state of things! it's always been like this, from the days of executive cave men trading berries futures for shiny rock credit default swap contracts.
>>524628796>did stop importing niggers as soon as it became a countryNo the fuck they didn't, the last niggers arrived in 1860 and the Confederacy had to codify in their constitution that no more slave ships would be brought over. You had a contingency of Confederate plantation owners who wanted to expand the Confederacy to Cuba, Mexico, and Central and South America so they could have even more cheap labor. Did you stop studying history in fourth grade?
>>524628946if capitalism is based on the state of nature then what's this outside force acting on it to confuse all you plebs?
>>524628985>what's this outside force acting on it sober observations of analyses of our material reality.
>>524628758The rich men with no connection to peoples or places simply buying our governments. Oh, but it's not corruption because it's called lobbying. Niggerfaggots like you are worse than any leftist, nigger or communist.
>>524628985It is not based on the state of nature, as I just told you. Things like territory, kin, even the natural environment itself gets swept aside in the name of profit.
>>524628549>they are productive.>they are not GOOD though.>This is why the iphone sucks nowThen they're not productive. If I run a gasoline pump to pull oil out of a well and use more fuel to do it than I get, the well is unproductive. Immigrants are unproductive.You seem to be under the impression that you live in a capitalist system. You don't. You live in a pseudo communist system where banks use freshly printed fiat to act as central planners. Business do not hire immigrants because they produce more than they consume. They do so because Larry Fink pays them to.
>>524629051Instead of profit would you say the main complain lodged against capitalism is uneven social progress?
>>524629056>Then they're not productiveit's productive to the extent that it generated a profit for apple. is profit not the goal of capitalism, an accounting of 'value creation'?>Immigrants are unproductive.immigrants are similarly productive. they work for lower wages and generate more profit for their employer.
>>524628888The state of nature is a materially wealthy faggot with no tribe fucking with other being murdered by people with tribes. Modern globohomo capitalist society is the antithesis of the state of nature. None of these atomized global citizens could exists without them having engineered this shitshow through buying politicians.
>>524629116My main complaint with capitalism is that it's destroying us all for the profit of a few rootless richfags.
>>524629160So there's some kind of discrepancy between the state of nature, capitalism as it's described by communists and reality?
>>524628843>immigrants require less subsidies than native citizensEverything I've seen shows that immigrants are net negatives with regards to taxation and welfare. They live in crap, but that's because they're wasteful, destructive, and often violent. Surely it would be cheaper, and less conspicuous, to subsidize native labor.
>>524629179That's because you're a retarded communist who thinks government protected fraud is capitalism.
>>524629237>Surely it would be cheaper, and less conspicuous, to subsidize native labor.immigrant labor is more profitable to the employer. the state's concerns ("net negatives") are irrelevant. again, is it purely coincidental that EVERY first world capitalist nation is importing millions of ill mannered, mentally retarded, criminalistic brown retards for the sole purpose of driving down wages?
>>524629388>immigrant labor is more profitable to the employerA lot of the time because they don't pay taxes, but apparently not paying taxes is capitalism
>>524629209Learn to read and communicate, midwit.
>>524629309Shed your cold war conditioning and think for yourself for a change. No I am not a communist.
>>524629237Exactly, every single country that has welfare system shows that mass migration is eventually net negative for the country due to migrants using welfare system to leech money out of it and not work. And when they work they destroy infrastrucutre so much that it becomes almost unprofitable to have them. But the %% in excel spread sheet shows that company "saved" some money and stockholders can jack off to it. But then SHTF like in Boeing or with Titan submarine and people die, and company and its stocks do deep dive like 737Max. But hey at least for few years it was a ride upwards! Fucking blind shortsighted narcisstic nad sociopathic retards.
>>524629444saving 7.65% on the employer portion of SS/medicare taxes is immaterial relative to how much they save on paying an immigrant (relative to what a citizen would demand.)
>>524629550if you're hiring 80 IQ people to do something it must not be that important
>>524629577>and then the plane fell out of the sky
>>524629597Come on lets use some logic here, if the reason they import thirdies is to save money, how is that possible if they produce garbage?
>>524629309>real capitalism hasn't been tried
>>524629706Noticed how everything is now garbage?
>>524629577most lower and middle class work doesn't require a particularly high IQ. of course immigrants will do a shittier job than citizens but you have to remember that 1) every company is doing it and 2) customers are willing to accept declines in product quality (just look at every product and service getting incrementally worse.)
>>524629756Okay, so if we lived in capitalism that wouldn't be true
>>524629778Why's that? You still buy it anyway because it's cheap.
>>524626997>raise the price of capitalism to the same level that immigrants cost the country>immigrants can no longer afford to immigrate unless they are genuinely profitable
>>524629444In ideal world companies should be taxed for hiring outsiders. And outsiders should be taxed more than nationals and cut off from welfare system.Jeets will still gladly come to work to the West because in jeetland they earn 100$ per month and even in Poland on lowest wage they will earn 1000$ per month. So with them cut out from welfare and taxed more than Poles they would still try to get to work here. So they should pay to the state for the possibility.
>>524629810Uh the entire point of capitalism is creating better cheaper products, if all the products are getting shit and expensive globally then we don't live in capitalism
>>524629778immigration is a cost control measure. it's likely the case that there is no solution to cost disease, and so there is no competition to be fought. to some extent this phenomena has been formalized, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol_effectagain, is it coincidence that EVERY FIRST WORLD CAPITALIST NATION is resulting to immigrant slave labor?
>>524627842Exactly. And the reason for mass migration is anti capitalist laws. We are prevented from being racist and forming trade and employment cartels that exclude foreigners. Racism is an essential feature of freedom.
>>524629849>betterHA! No Cheap plastic crap from China has taken over just about everything because for the masses quality is secondary to cheap.
>>524629849>Uh the entire point of capitalism is creating better cheaper productsno, the entire point of capitalism is generating a profit. an enterprise that does not generate a profit cannot sustain itself.
>>524629860I think you need to look into the industries that brown illegals are being hired into, if they're not explicitly menial labor jobs run by the mob, they're "IT" people turning servers on and off
>>524629849>Uh the entire point of capitalism is creating better cheaper productsNo it's to create profits for the stockholders
>>524627068The visa system and visa lotteries, for starters.
>>524629910The thing is most enterprises today do not generate profit but are too big to fall and are bailed out by government. It is not capitalism by any means. See 2008 banking crisis. Or Boeing problems lately.
>>524629960You people are so stupid, lay off twitter
>>524629915>I think you need to look into the industries that brown illegals are being hired into, if they're not explicitly menial labor jobs run by the mob, they're "IT" people turning servers on and offi >>524627726 am forced to manage two offshore turdskins who live in india. they were forced upon me during a wave of layoffs/outsourcing. they do lower quality work, require more hand holding, can't be trusted to perform at the same level as the 2 onshore employees that they replaced -- but it doesn't matter, because the company is paying them somewhere around 1/4 to 1/5 of what an american makes.
>>524630044>companies are taking fundamental foundational hits hiring actual mentally retarded people from the third world with no recoursesounds like capitalism
>>524630111No capitalist would destroy his own company for few bucks. The thing is, the company is not run by capitalist, but by shareholders. And capitalist cannot do shit with his money due to Ford vs Dodge case which forced capitalist Ford to pay dividends to shareholders instead of his own workers. Which was the end of capitalism when government decided to have a last say in what company owner can do with his money.
>>524630215>having an equity stake in a business enterprise that exists for the sole purpose of generating profit is not capitalism because... it's just not, okay.
>>524629893>We are prevented from being racist and forming trade and employment cartels that exclude foreignersLol we had those before and capitalists sent Pinkertons in to kill White men for not accepting nigger scabs being bussed in from the south. What world are you living in?
>>524626997>leftists provide no alternative and would in fact increase the importation and unearned benefits of shitskinskys faggot
>>524626997https://youtu.be/NJ6MrXrMvSs
>>524630215The companies were already collapsing if they're hiring pajeets.
>>524630215>>524630265also you might want to study up on american business legal structures. >government decided to have a last say in what company owner can do with his money.privately held enterprises can spend their money however they want. cargill, our largest privately held (and family owned) enterprise, employs a LOT of retarded brown spicmonkeys in their slaughter houses.
>>524629127>it's productive to the extent that it generated a profit for appleI'm not sure what you're implying here? Are you claiming that subsidies and expansion of the money supply are capitalism because money is involved, or are you claiming that apple's new employees are productive?The former is a ridiculous non sequitur that would make the USSR capitalist, and the latter is also false. You said it yourself.>This is why the iphone sucks nowApple doesn't make iphones, Foxconn does. Apple makes IP. If their phones are worse, their IP os degrading. What then are they paying their employees for? They could fire them all and make even more profit.
>>524630332>privately held enterprises can spend their money however they want.They can't. Read Dodge vs Ford case. Ford wanted to pay his workers extra for good work and he was main stock holder so he could do that and was sued by Dodge(second stock holder) and US court ruled that Ford cannot do that and should pay stock holders instead "because company exist for the profit of stock holders and not for the workers that create profit" (sic!).And since US has precedence laws - it is a law for all stock companies that they do not care about the company itself but exist only for stock holders.It is not capitalism, it is government forced bullshit and centraly steered market by now with stock companies being fed by government subsidies so the certain people can get rich of stock market. It actually ressembles communism I lived in, but is more shady and looks like "capitalism" to idiots.
>>524630332>cargill,Has stock in trade but not publicly, but by ETFs and daughter companies. It is as fucked as any other publicly traded stock company.
>>524630416you're assuming that capitalism incentivizes quality rather than profitability. apple is generating more profit. they're succeeding as a capitalist enterprise despite their products declining in quality. can you see how these incentives can extend beyond harming just customers?
>>524630537Dodge sued because he didn't want Ford to make more car plants because he wanted to steal Ford's secrets and start his own company
>>524629478You're blaming the intended negative results of deliberate government action on the concept of private ownership and spreading the pernicious jewish lie that immigrants are good for the economy. I don't care what you call yourself. You're a communist and a useful idiot for the jews.
>>524630769When did I ever bring up private ownership? You're arguing with a strawman in your own head.
>>524630712And government's court of justice allowed it, which isn't capitalism, but centraly steered market by now.
>>524630819Yes? The government is a colonial organ and we live in an empire
>>524626997inflation is not a bug, it is a FEATURE of the (((Monetary System)))because of this, our money has gradually become separated from any static, constant measure of value.This used to be the role of gold/silver, but with the creation of the (((Federal Reserve System))) in 1913, this couldn't be sustained against the inflationary (((monetary system))) resulting in:1. Roosevelt confiscating all the gold and repricing it.2. Nixon removing gold convertability in 1971.3. Kissinger making a 'devil's bargain' with the Saudi's to create the 'petro-dollar' as a substitute for a gold standard.4. Globalization of the US economy in order to spread the inflation overseas, to the rest of the world in order to keep it from destroying the US economy, leading to potential civil strife at home.Corporations and investors are increasingly unable to benefit from the gains in currency and labor arbitrage overseas, so they are now trying to import cheap labor into the United States to destroy the American middle class. It needs to be forced to accept a lower standard of living in order to keep the (((monetary))) racket going.The political platform of the Democratic Party used to be to defend the rights and living standards of the American working class.Starting with the election of Bill Clinton in 1992, their platform gradually shifted from looking out for workers (economic/class issues), to emphasizing red-herring issues like race, sex, gay "rights" tranny "rights", ect in order to distract from the fact that they sold out to the demands of (((Wall Street))), the (((Federal Reserve))) and it's inflationary monetary system.
>>524630859I do not deny any of it. I just prove over and over again USA is not capitalistic country and all migration problems are not capitalistic by nature, but are due to government centrally steering market. They are Keynesians for fucks sake, and Keynesism is about centraly steering market where government sees it ift.
>>524630985keynes was a socialist who they hired to say stuff that the empire could then use as an excuse to expand their own powers. The underlying system, the federal reserve system, is a colonial nationalist imperialist bank in thew style of England/Netherlands and the entire world is under its thumb
>>524627068Mercantile capitalism as practiced by european jews. Or israeli-americans.
>>524626997There is an alternative...National socialist doctrine is the acknowledgement that everyone should live in peaceful ethnostates with their own people, and not live in other people's countries.And the economic policy side of it is to structure the economy in a way that disincentivizes parasitism like rentiering, and also shuts out foreign investors, keeping all the prosperity inside the nations borders, no international jew stealing the profits that your people worked for.Money will be printed debt-free interest-free by the State Bank and backed by labour, instead of the current central banking system where the money is created by "loaning" it from the jews, i.e. you are on the hook to jewish private bankers for the loan and its interest even though it came from thin air.>https://www.nationalists.org/pdf/hitler/manifesto-for-abolition-enslavement-interest-on-money-gottfried-feder.pdfThere is absolutely nothing wrong or immoral about people feeling more comfortable and inspired when being surrounded by people like themselves. In fact, it’s what is best for everyone intellectually, emotionally, physically and spiritually.When communities are homogeneous, there is an instinctive obligation to look out for one another. Society goes from zero sum adversaries to cooperative big families.People are happier; civic engagement is high; prosperity is more evenly distributed and enjoyed and culture flourishes.It’s all been definitively proven by the entirety of human history.American Revolution was when White Europeans that had moved into America cut themselves off the jewish bankers at City of London.But two centuries later and the jewish bankers had followed and slithered in, and when the Europeans were to had our own Revolution against the jewish bankers (Hitler; National Socialism), the Americans now were duped into siding with the jewish bankers and managed to stop the European Revolution from happening.Hence the conundrum we are in today.
>>524631103Well, still nothing to do with capitalism. So pleas explain this to the retarded commies who cry "capitalism is ruinign us" while it is centraly steered market and your banking system that is ruining them.
>>524631284I tell people the truth and they rebuff me or don't say anything at all capitalism=english imperialism
>>524631323I tell the people truth too, and all the world's retards and shills attack it, even to the point of a world warnational socialism=solutionThere is a reason why not even in university economics masters programmes is National Socialism studied. You'll study everything from feudalism to communism to capitalism and even fringe thought experiments like georgism, but then the system that quardrupled Germany's economy in 6 years, created an economic boom never before or since seen, and worked better than any other system for the people, is not part of the curriculum at all.Gottfried Feder's works are not being studied, and for anyone that goes on their own and reads his works, it is immediately obvious why.
>>524631701Keynes was also right, socialists were definitely right about depressions. Since the stock market is just a reflection of public mood you can reverse depressions by pretending to not be depressed. Funny how that's how actual human psychology works too
>>524628538>Who do the Somalis work for? Do you think poos with fake diplomas are doing anything of value?You tell me muttmerican, it's your shithole that made an economy out of spreadsheets lmao, guess somalians are doing that busy spreadsheet work, just not in your favour? Ah who cares, the fed repos will always be there.
>>524628671slavery is more expensive than wage slaverythey Master is responsible for Food and Boarding stillnot anymore lmao
>>524628566>>524631804You all need to go back.
>>524630814>When did I ever bring up the thing I've been blaming for immigration the whole thread
It's funny how nationalists and social conservatives got tricked into accepting capitalism into the "trad" canon when it's probably the most destructive force that's ever happened to them does does more damage to them every day than all the annoying blue haired tranny college students in the world ever have
>>524629709It has been tried and it was wonderful. It took the US from forgotten backwater to industrial superpower in only a century.
>>524633292Communism did the same for Russia in 1/4 of the time.
>>524633145>CRTL+F "Private ownership">3 times in thread (including the one in this post)>None of them me blaming it for anything
>>524633229homosexuality and feminism is almost exclusively pushed by socialists, which was a belief system created to destroy the british. Hell abolitionism was probably a socialist psyop too
>>524626997Another retard who doesn't understand what capitalism is
>>5246334664 times >>524626997
>>524633461>lend lease is communismYou are technically correct.
>>524633931https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man>The selection form focuses on a partial and weaker (and easier to refute) representation of the opponent's position. Then the easier refutation of this weaker position is claimed to refute the opponent's complete position. They point out the similarity of the selection form to the fallacy of hasty generalization, in which the refutation of an opposing position that is weaker than the opponent's is claimed as a refutation of all opposing arguments.
>>524634038Is this smolbrained take supposed to be unironic? Most of the industrialization occurred between 1928 and 1940 and the Soviets outproduced the Germans by up to 500% in war material without including Lend Lease.
>>524627068Imagine now, if you will, communism "collective community" with the brown invaders. Block shared bath houses chink style but with majority browns.
>>524633807is this where you conflate "what should be" with "what is"?
>>524626997It just werks!
>>524628645It's a symptom of fractional reserve banking expanding the money supply with every loan. They use their stock as collateral to take out a loan that they pay back with a new loan. As long as the company is assessed as growing they make money by pretending to be productive without ever making anything. Get a few companies in a circular trade and they can run this scam until the money runs out which it doesn't because the government enables the banks to keep printing money via the fed and pumps value into that fiat by requiring it as payment for taxes.
>>524634895>They use their stock as collateral to take out a loan that they pay back with a new loan.i don't understand how any of this is relevant to what you're replying to. also you're describing US tax law, not fractional reserve banking. if you want to talk about fractional reserve banking or central banking in general, then consider it's inseparable from capitalism to the extent that every capitalist nation on earth engages in it.
>>524634418They did all that themselves but couldn't grow enough food? With more land than anyone on earth, including very fertile Ukranian soil?Check the history books, tankie. That industrialization was American. Ford built those factories, not lennin. It was all lend lease even if it wasn't always called that.
>>524635141>commies do commie shit and blame it on capitalismGovernment empowered economic planners are communist no matter how many hoops you jump through.
>>524635433again, you're going off the rails with irrelevant gibberish.
>>524626997>There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and removed from society.
>>524626997left winger trying to distance himself from the policies he has pushed for years.
>>524636003>libertarian social orderimagine an indian CEO scamming you -- forever.
>>524635580No I'm not. You're just pretending to not understand that government programs are not capitalism. The fed is not capitalism, central banks are not capitalism, the FDIC is not capitalism. You can call it that, they can call it that, but it's not. Not unless we're chaing the definition and we clearly aren't doing that, and until opposing capitalism means shutting down the central bank it's just a bad faith argument to support more government interference.
>>524636210>GOP politician>libertariannot an argument
>>524636413>no true scotsman fallacy>conflating "what should be" with "what is"if EVERY CAPITALIST NATION ON EARTH engages in central banking, infinity brown immigrant slave laborers, fractional reserve banking, etc. then it's an inseparable component of capitalism.
>>524627068The ability of the banking system to create money out of thin air. You need new debt serfs to keep the game going.
>>524627068Yes. Globalisation is defined as the free and unimpeded traffic of goods, capital and labour. It is basically the most that liberal capitalism can demand from any state. The complete relinquishment of these sovereign rights of a stae: protectionism/tariffs, capital controls, border traffic. It is 100% and without any doubt capitalist to let subhumans in White countries. Nothing else.
>>524636522No true scotsman is brown. Is that a fallacy?
>>524636765Globalization is imperialism
>>524636522"capitalism" is a marxist term, so of course it allows you to move the goalposts to weasel your way out of any debate
>>524636544That's it? Just the banking system alone? I can create money out of thin air. I can go make a meme coin out of thin air right now. Is their money is just the same as mine?
>>524636924i haven't moved any goalposts.
>>524626997>in which the free market controls the production>the free marketThis definition doesn't correlate with the current economic zeitgeist.
>>524633613Actually the original reason for abolition in USA unlike the jewed narrative today goes, was to get the niggers out.Don't you know that literally an entire country was bought by presidents Monroe and Lincoln from Africa called Liberia where the niggers were supposed to be shipped to, the original plan absolutely was not to let them loose on the nation. They were to be given their own nation so they could have built their own home into whatever they want with their own kin.But problem here was the same people who brought the niggers in the first place: jews.See, the jews still had their plantations and they didn't want to pay American wages and they certainly weren't going to do their own work, they are jewish.So what they realized that as long as they get to keep the niggers around, even if they're technically free they could just pay them a measly salary and rent them the living quarters they already had, so most of the salary would go back to the jew, and then the nigger would have little bit left over for clothes and food.And considering that living quarters, clothes and food was exactly what the jews provided for the slaves, turning them from slaves to technically free wageslaves didn't affect the jew's expenses much at all.So that's why the jews sabotaged the plans to send the niggers back to Africa, because its not like jews were going to start working now would they, so they needed the niggers to do the work.
>>524637112Yes you have>>524626997>Capitalism: An economic system characterized by private ownership in which the free market alone controls the production of goods and services.To>>524636522>capitlism is central banksIs quite a movement.
>>524637580Abolitionism in the US was hijacked after radical Presbyterians took over one of the largest colleges in the Midwest and killed all deportation debates
>>524637580You're forgetting that one of the beliefs of judaism is that all the nations of the world will be melted together and ruled by jews. They would have kept them here regardless of cost.
>>524626997the biggest mistake of the white race was not exterminating all black and brown people when we had the chance, our biggest mistake was showing compassion to those low iq apes, now we are paying the consequences and we are going to disappear and our countries will be occupied by those shitskins
>>524627928>it's not artificial, it's supply and demand which exists in all forms of economies.It is artificial, how the fuck do you think they get here? How do you think it's "legal" despite being directly against the common welfare? Fuck you're retarded.
>>524638571>How do you think it's "legal" despite being directly against the common welfare? are you suggesting that capital should be subservient to the will of the state and the people? in more civilized times, people like you were outright killed.
>>524634790It's a bit different, moron: what shouldn't be is what is. That is to say, what is, isn't capitalism. Fucking moron
>>524636522The most sure mark of a leftist is that they point at you and accuse you of what they have done wrong.
>>524635141>just ignore ZIRP and P/E ratio for 15 years Subhuman
>>524636413Wildcat banking was tried enough retard It was crypto tier scamming. It's WHO controls a central bank that determines if its corrupt
>>524636003>posts fascist memeRetard
>>524628888So niggery or Africa. Thanks for playing
>>524640131>wildcat banking is central bankingWere you dropped on your head as a kid? Central banks have to be government enforced monopolies. If they have competition they're not central.
>>524640059remind me again which capitalist nations did not engage in central banking?
>>524641038All of them per your definition>>524626997
>>524641180that's not my definition, that's just a picture i pulled from jewgle images.
>>524638902I'm suggesting that taxes taken by gunpoint and money printed out of thin air, which invisibly steals value against the will of the people aren't capitalism. In fact, it's slavery that only retards don't recognize. People like you deserve to be killed no matter the era.
>>524641310Then why include it?
>>524641370capital controls 90% of your life and you find it unbearable. you think giving capital 100% control over your life will make it better?>>524641434can't post without an image.
>>524641529>you think giving capital 100% control over your life will make it better?What sort of mental gymnastics did you do to read that into what I wrote?
>>524628671Lol if capitalists wanted to run a system they'd run the system exactly as it's being run. They'd put niggers in chains? Lmao, dude they put white people in mental chains so they can slowly steal everything from them bit by bit. A million niggers in chains aren't worth 100 white men economically and they know this. A million niggers in chains are a burden on whoever owns them, 100 demoralized white men are infinitely more valuable because they're infinitely more talented.
>>524642301you're complaining about the bare minimum existence of a social safety net, public infrastructure, legal system, etc. which are funded by taxes. you're also complaining about central banking and the existence of fiat currency. what is your alternative?
>>524641370/Thread
>>524641529Then pick a different image. And again with the definitions what do you mean by "capital" and if >>524641370 is 90% controlled by>taxes taken by gunpoint and money printed out of thin airThen why would less of that be 100%
>>524626997We don't have capitalism, we have financialism (Judaism)
>>524642403>Capitalists would use psychology and sociology to manipulate people into being socialistsWould they?
>>524642422A national currency that cannot be manipulated. Why's that so hard to understand? There can be social safety nets and infrastructure only when you control your own money. How do we have a social safety net when Jews can tank the economy on a whim and rug pull the goy out of all their savings? This "safety" net that you imagine in your brain that we have doesn't exist. It exists so long as the Jews allow it to exist and once they decide to cash out then guess what? That's it.
>>524642682Yeah that's what's happening, theyre trying to turn you into a socialist by educating people that socialism is basically communism. Yup you're a real fucking genius.
>>524642818Civil rights is explicit illogical socialist philosophy. Do you know why?
>>524626997turns out NatSoc is the only way
>>524642909Keep pilpulling Jew, you understand exactly what I'm saying
>>524643037None of you zoomers even know what socialism is
>>524626997>>524627068JEWSCapitalism doesn't exist. It's a word made up by a filthy KIKE to attack reality and force everyone to put jews in power.
>>524627068Labour is a service, so a truly free market would allow anyone in the world to enter your country and compete for jobs, including third world subhumans.
>>524643284"Free market" means the US/english empire can trade in your ports without getting blown up. This has been misrepresented as low tax low regulation policies to try and pretend like the US empire was ever conservative
>>524643405I too am brown. What kind of brown are you?
>>524643405>conservatismyour first mistake was thinking a capitalist enterprise cares about social issues or really anything beyond turning a profit.
>>524643590So why did you post a thread pretending like an economic system is a social system
>>524643715where did i do that? the entire premise of the thread is that capitalism subverts the interests of nations and citizens by treating them like economic opportunity zone labor force participants.
A corporatist economy would be preferable for many reasons but for this issue it's simple: the interests of the business do not come before the nationalist ideals of the state and therefore must operate within set boundaries that ensure the well-being of the nation.
>>524626997>blames capitalism for things the state doesIf the state is involved in something, then by definition it's not capitalism. Whenever I see people criticize capitalism, they invariably blame it for things that are the result of the actions of the state, not the free market.
>>524627209Yeah Adam Smith wrote about elite Indian human capital like Gunga Din
>>524644218eliminate the state in its entirety. the country is ruled by corporations. do you think we'll have more brown monkey immigration or less brown monkey immigration?
>>524626997>>524627068>>524627137>>524637996>>524639977Browns hate kikes more than anything else. This is the perfect opportunity to get rid of kikes for good. Brought by based browns such as Muslims and Spanics
>>524644467What possible rationale do you have for this, aside from that time you saw it in a work of fiction?
>>524644467Your premise isn't even coherent. In the absence of the state the modern corporate structure would not exist. The idea of a company's ownership being infinitely divisible and tradeable to people with no actual involvement in the operation of the company is a legal fiction dreamed up by states. At most a company might offer something similar in the form of dividends as a way of generating revenue, but I doubt it would be popular in an anarcho capitalist society. In a stateless society there would be nearly zero "brown monkey migration". Insurance companies would employ paramilitaries to root them out in order to avoid the inevitable insurance claims and drops in property values that they'd cause.
>>524643902>capitalism subverts social issues the controlling force of social issues in capitalism is christianity and the only thing that's against christianity is socialism
>>524645836> The idea of a company's ownership being infinitely divisible and tradeable to people with no actual involvement in the operation of the company is a legal fiction dreamed up by states.look back in time, i'm sure you'll find many examples of partnership interests being traded, especially silent partnership interests.>In a stateless society there would be nearly zero "brown monkey migration". Insurance companies would employ paramilitaries to root them out in order to avoid the inevitable insurance claims and drops in property values that they'd cause.????
>>524627068retard
>>524646301>look back in time, i'm sure you'll find many examples of partnership interests being traded, especially silent partnership interests.I said the modern corporate structure. You're not getting these massive megacorps without a state.>????How on earth is that confusing.
>>524646912>You're not getting these massive megacorps without a state.what makes you think that? without central banking printing money out of thin air and intensely competitive operating environments afforded by Real Capitalism, companies will be desperate for capital. look back 400-500 years and study the dutch east india company for an example.>How on earth is that confusing.it makes absolutely no sense. why would an insurance company root out "illegals" (the concept wouldn't exist without a state) when an insurance company could take the easier approach of just denying any claims caused by an illegal (for which you would have no recourse, considering states and courts do not exist)? it's kind of like your car insurance today denying a claim caused by an uninsured driver, provided you don't have uninsured motorist coverage.
>>524647360>without central banking printing money out of thin air and intensely competitive operating environments afforded by Real Capitalism, companies will be desperate for capital.Yes, which will necessarily prevent the inefficient behemoths like we see today from staying safe from competition for so long. It's precisely the state's protection which allows companies to continue growing past the point where it's reasonable to do so. If a company wants to grow, it will need to become even more efficient than it was when it was small, while also becoming inherently less efficient due to the complexities involved in managing a larger company.>study the dutch east india companyAn example of a state enforced monopoly with no competition? You're proving my point.>why would an insurance company root out "illegals" (the concept wouldn't exist without a state)It wouldn't be illegals, it would be risks to the property which they insure that they are seeking to root out. Somalians or Mexicans would drive up the risk of needing to pay a claim and drive down the value of the property being insured, resulting in less profit for the insurance company.>when an insurance company could take the easier approach of just denying any claimsBecause denying legitimate claims would be bad for business in a society where they don't have the ear of a monopolist on arbitration of disputes. They'd be taken to a private court which would have a reputation for fairness to uphold in order to keep business coming to it. They couldn't just say "naw" and expect the courts go "lmao fuck you" to the plaintiff who sues them. Moreover the insurance companies would have competition who would say "hey, this insurance company isn't willing to pay what they owe, buy insurance with us, we're better than them".>it's kind of like your car insurance today denying a claim caused by an uninsured driver, provided you don't have uninsured motorist coverage.Most people would get immigrant coverage.
>>524645609>Browns hate kikes more than anything elseMOST browns do, but as we see with muzzies they're all talk, 0 action or ability to follow through. As time drags on, Pissrael's abilities to neutralize, or even annihilate them gets ever closer, but why bother? Kikes know that if you toss them scraps, and give them fresh meat to rape, they're content. (Not to mention their leaders being cryptokikes)Mexicans, some are White, or mostly White, but the vast majority are dysgenic abominations with the same, or less ability to plan, and pull off "effective countersemitism".Pajeets, we already know they love their new (((master))), and their presently invisible chains.Only Whites, and Asians could pull it off, and us Whites are getting there, but not doing so hot. We COULD use diversity against them, but they'll never, I repeat never pull it off by themselves, and they'd rather just rape YT instead, fuck them all, and fuck (you)
>>524630271If "capitalists" can use lethal force then they are the de-facto government and therefore not capitalists.>>524628068>>524629127>immigrants are similarly productive. they work for lower wages and generate more profit for their employer.Immigrants are productive in the short-term just like any slaves are. Filling a country with brown retards and turning it into a third-world shithole is a long-term externality of doing business.Privatize the gains (cheap labor), socialize the losses (third-world shithole country).
I'm tired of socialist faggots playing dumb and gaslighting the rest of us, after spending the better part of a century advocating, fighting, and literally killing for decolonization, anti-imperialism, anti-racism and anti-nationalism.>Fight tooth and nail to dismantle the racial laws controlling foreign immigration in the name of international worker solidarity.>OMG how could capitalism do this to us? We need more socialism and to prioritize class consciousness I've race even more!Find a bridge with a nice view and jump the fuck off.
>>524649789Whites are the leader of the world so what we do people that agree with us will follow us. Nothing is happening because no White people are doing shit. Muslims are our natural allies because their political leanings could be called ultraconservative or fascist, and the hispanics see jews as Christ killers.Our goal is first separation from the jews. We have to be a distinct group of people and totally against evrrything israeli or zionist. That is the first step, because currently we are getting lumped in with jews and their crimes against humanity, they will pin their crimes on us if we don't take a stand against jews
>>524627726>i'm a middle manager in corporate accounting at a fortune 20 company. >i suppose i would be a low to mid level bureaucrat. under communism or socialismWow, it's almost as if despite all mockery of the idea of Marxists holding key positions and driving policy in multinational corporations, and all the leftist protestations to the contrary, corporations are actually far closer to Marxist entities than "Capitalist" entities, as the whole purpose of a corporation is to collectivize ownership, diffusing individual responsibility, and there's a one to one equivalency in managerial roles between a corporation and a Marxist state. You'd think the fact that they called him Chairman Mao would clue people in to the fact he was literally the CEO of the Chinese subsidiary of Marxism Inc. but apparently not.
>>524650293We're the leaders of the world yet Israel genocides people left and right and nobody stops them. Might want to rethink who the leaders of the world actually are.
>>524650729i'm not a marxist or a communist. i reject the torah, the talmud, the tanakh, etc.
>ITT: "being against slavery makes you a communist"Good goyim.>>524628549>the smart people blame the board (only there for money).Smart people blame the shareholders, i.e. kikes at investment banks.>>524627170>>524628307>>524629860>again, is it coincidence that EVERY FIRST WORLD CAPITALIST NATION is resulting to immigrant slave labor?Nobody has given a good answer to this yet.>>524628623>And these mythical non-capitalists who set themselves against that ... Are where, exactly?National socialists.
>>524651550>National socialistsIt's literally the only way out of this everything else is cope.
>>524627068the one that says your boss only has to pay you decently if you're not easily replaceable
