I need to entertain this thought. Please be serious in replies without ragebait and quips because im curious.Why did God decide to incarnate in a womb of a jewish woman named Mary? Mary wasnt the only virgin woman in similiar situation so why specifically in a jewish community at the height of Rome? Just please entertain this thought if you believe in God/Jesus Christ. He does transcend race, but doesnt that make Mary, Jews, Rome etc irrelevant in the sense that their specificity is completely random. Is this with any clues explained in the Bible?
Im trying to use logic and empirical evidence together with the mysterious and the divine. Im not questioning this to discredit, but to strengthen my faith.
>>524633364It appears that God decided to work salvation through a certain people group. They were not chosen for those role due to any obvious superiority compared to other groups, quite the opposite in fact since God tells us that He likes to show His strength through the weakness of those people.His interaction with those people over the years is what makes up most of the content of the OT, and the NT tells us that these interactions contain a great deal of information about Him. They are given as examples for us to learn about Him through.As for why Mary was chosen, we aren't really told. Personally i just think that the timing and placement was how He wanted it to be.
If Jesus transcends race, then God choosing a specific ethnic group like the Jews is the contradiction. By choosing one chosen people, God effectively invalidated every other culture and race for thousands of years. Is God a tribalist? Why should a person in 1st century East asia or Mesoamerica care about a local deity from a desert they never heard of? lol
>>524633364>please be serious>engages on an unserious level
>>524633364And now you are realizing why we couldn't believe anymore. Quite frankly, it's shocking they got us to in the first place.
>>524633671>It appears that God decided to work salvation through a certain people group.Certainty is a downer in this entire thing. If thats the case, why choose the worst of the semitic groups, was there no one among various Indo-European descended peoples who were in a similiar situation. Although argument can be made that Palestine/Levant were quite important to Rome and generally world history, but again there were various groups living there.>>524633756Yes, yes it is a contradiction, but im trying to step in with a curious and open mind as much as i can.>>524633803What was unserious? We arent in academia, we can only try to not insult each other and hold off biases.
>>524633364the answer is probably related to why God decided to kill a bunch of egyptian children he created to free jews from slavery
>>524633364Part of the promise made to Abraham and confirmed to Isaac and Jacob. Promised David to have a man on the throne. Mary was of the lineage of David.
Why jewish people exist?Why exist Israel?Why germans not gazed all jewish?
It had to be someone so who are you to question it? God befriended Abraham and He is the source of all good things so being friends with God comes with great benefits. He then made Abraham's descendents become prophets which then wrote down His words which were later used to distribute to all people. Jesus came for us all. Jews aren't special
>>524633947according to the bible, Jesus' connection to the lineage of David is only through Joseph
>>524633364It is indicative of how God fills all of reality, from the highest to the lowest. Descent into the womb of a peasant Jew mirrors the final act of Christ's descent into the lowest place, death itself. That salvation depends on the womb of one random girl also speaks to the precariousness that God seems to have built into nature. Again, a mirror/echo: humanity depended on the fragile boat of Noah after the flood, you depended on an arbitrary sperm cell meeting an egg, a tree depends on a seed. The pattern of precariousness and distillation into a single point seems to be built into God's design. There's also the stuff about the line of David but I'm not so into geneology.
>>524633911>why choose the worst of the semitic groups,for the exact reason i mentioned - to exclude the merits of the people in order to maximize His own actions, power and love for a people that everyone else could see didn't deserve it.that of course is precisely what the Gospel says about those chosen to be Christians - that we are utterly without merit or ability to merit salvation or His love and forgiveness. Indeed, we positively demerit it and by rights He should judge us immediately to hell.>yes it is a contradiction,it is not a contradiction at all. it was a starting point from which every tribe people nation and tongue were to become His chosen people.
>>524633945There are arguments about when, how and did that even took place, its a historical mess overall.>>524633947Why did they specifically matter in comparison to other men? Because look in all other religions and belief systems man is separated from God and even Buddha is just an "enlightened" individual. In Islam God is also separated from man, only in Christianity God was and is man at the same time as God. Now that isnt problem in itself because it could truly be a beautiful truth, but its the prioritisation of specific individuals and group of people which in reality could have been random as in with names and location, but its highly likely that half of them didnt exist. Because names themselves carry metaphors and symbology not the flesh itself.
>>524634203>did that even took placehow can you question ANY part of the bible, whether it took place? as soon as you start to do that, the entire thing falls apart
>>524634098Yes sorry, your logic is sound leaf. But then again, both you and i go with the bias that Jews as we know them and in the Bible are the worst of people and God thought so too, but is that correct? The theories that we need anti semitism to be on the maximum for the end times to happen is interesting, Professor Jiang talked about it in his last lecture.
>>524634280Bible almost in its entirety isnt literal and thats a fact. Genetic, historical, archeological studies all of it shows that events didnt play out as written, but that those were rather metaphors and understanding of events written in the zeitgeist.
>>524633364>Please be serious in replies without ragebaitWhy? All you're doing is trying to reframe the same argument that troons make over and over again, and never acknowledge any counterarguments to.
>>524633364Hes not a real person he's the shape of the soul. A symbol of vast meaning given a face and name to be human. It's a pattern of thought and a way of being in life for emotional wellness and stability. Christ is an energy signature that births inside the untouched part of you. The original innocence that is buried by the world over time. That's the virgin he is born from. Virgin birth in the world is impossible unless you're a frog. There is no race or gender in Christ because it's energy and that doesn't even have flesh.
>>524633432There can be no logic when it comes to irrational beliefs in imaginary supernatural beings. There's no such thing as "knowledge" when it comes to fictitious characters like ghosts, pixies, werewolves, sprites, gods, vampires, ghouls, devils, mummies, spirits, zombies, fairies, angels, demons, etc. They are never anything more than just products of the mind.
>>524634504The most satanic post I've read in a while
>>524633756>God effectively invalidated every other cultureyeah well your culture is invalid because it isnt what God wants it to be. but why would you want to wewuz jews? theyre traitors and cursed
>>524634482Im a Christian myself, orthodox specifically, but im also thirsty for knowledge. Im trying to understand Christianity in tune with genetic, historical and archeological evidence, framework etc. There shouldnt and isnt a cognitive dissonance, just luck of understanding.
>>524634556>They are never anything more than just products of the mind.Abhorrently retarded take that also invalidates mathematics.
>>524634556God, why are modern people either hyper autistic and 100% literal or schizophrenics that see meaning I the ice cubes of their drinks?
>>524633364>Why did God decide to incarnate in a womb of a jewish woman named Mary?BECAUSE IT'S A RELIGION DESIGNED BY RABBIS, YOU FUCKWITHoooly fucking shit use your brain
>>524634014>Why germans not gazed all jewish?hitler refused to use gas because he was injured in wwi. gas executions were done by the judaeobolsheviks
>>524634444>Bible almost in its entirety isnt literal and thats a fact.so how do you choose which parts are literal but sound ridiculous, and which sound ridiculous but are "metaphor"?it literally says God killed every firstborn in Egypt, after hardening Pharoh's heart against freeing the hebrewsit does NOT portray it as a "metaphor"
>>524634580You can find out yourself. All you need is a mirror and an honest heart. Christ said the kingdom is here now waiting. You keep yourself from it and let the lies of this world fool you. I guess that's why we're different.
>>524634556>>524634634Yes a retarded take indeed. All mythologies of old are important lessons and stories about life itself and man`s place in the world, why should Christianity be any different in that regard.
>>524633911>Certainty is a downer in this entire thing. If thats the case, why choose the worst of the semitic groupsHe already answered that in the same post you quoted.
>>524634649very few apostles were rabbis. rabbis and Christians are enemies
>>524634359>but is that correct?cant say if they were the worst of people possible on the earth but it certainly seems, from OT references, that they were at least as bad as those in the general area, particularly in terms of their religious practices (sacrifice of children, idols etc etc. Looking at the kinds of laws that were given them its also possible to say that they were as much into slavery, strange sexual practices and general injustice as everyone else was.But, time and time again, God showed that despite their inferior numbers and basic ineptitude, they were able to overcome adversity and greater nations only through Gods active involvement. I mean, even your basic David and Goliath story is a picture of that. Christs victory of sin, death and the devil is of course the fulfillment of all such examples
>>524634685Maybe it is describing a certain event that played out in a similiar way, but through lack of written records it was distorted through word of mouth and it served its purpouse as more of a fictionalised version of itself to those who needed it to leave their mark and knowledge in the world. Do you understand what im getting at?
>>524633364The most fertile dirt is rotting corpses and shit. You plant a seed in rotting corpses and shit and new life abounds. Put it on a pillar in the sun and it doesn't grow.You plant your seed in a woman's womb. Plant it on a wise mans forehead and it doesn't grow.God planted His seed in the most fertile soil... He brings forth Good out of evil. Monotheism and duality are inextricably linked.Like a binary code, it can't just be 1s, you need 0s as well Mary because she was the descendant of David.
>>524633364>whybecause He Promised since the beginning of the covenants with adam, noah, abraham, david, and it was prophesied since jacob/israel was blessing his sons on the deathbed>transcends raceNo, Jesus Christ is different than any other false religious figureprophecy in the bible goes into specifics and details, false religions all deal with platitudes and generalizationsGod specifically Said He would cause a virgin to conceive, immanuel = with us is God>is this with any clues explained in the bibleyeah just go look up Messianic prophecies>>524633432>logic and empirical evidence with the mysterious and the divineunless its been properly Revealed by the LORD, the hidden things are reserved for the LORD so speculating is just conjecture on that end. Luckily it has been Revealed mostly>>524634203>Why did they specifically matter in comparison to other men?because the bloodline was kept pure from adam>>524634359>both you and i go with the bias that Jews as we know them and in the Bible are the worst of people and God thought so too, but is that correct?not neccessarilylet God separate the sheep from the goats; its not ours to determine these things>The theories that we need anti semitism to be on the maximum for the end times to happen is interesting, Professor Jiang talked about it in his last lecture.hes also not a christian so dont confuse the Holy with the profane or secular scholarship with what is God's Willremember, ezekiel 38 said that God puts hooks in the mouth of the nations listed to force them to comply with said Willjiang is paraphrasing what the bible already describes in multiple places as to the hatred justifying persecutions and invasions of Israeltldr is basically satan try as he might cannot ever destroy israel because israel is God's created purpose for Redemption through Jesus Christ, and if jew/israel disappears then satan disproves God - which is never going to happen obviouslya faithful remnant is always Preserved
>>524633364She wasn't Jewish, she was born in Galilee.The concept of being "Jewish" was invented after Christianity by kikes, precisely to lend themselves an air of unearned legitimacy.
In the times of Adam and Noah, everyone knew about God. It was only after the flood that everyone forgot. That doesn't mean other cultures didn't have righteous and wise people. Christ was visited by three Magi
>>524634633>Im a Christian myself, orthodox specificallyDon't hit me with that "as a black man" shit.Here's the problem I take with this argument being made from a supposedly-Christian stance: to understand what Jesus is means to understand that the flesh does not matter. The body of Jesus was meant to be sacrificed, and his life to end in suffering before resurrection. To try to atteibute the divinity of his story to his flesh misses the point and is borderline blasphemous. I can understand a non-Christian making this mistake in Biblical canon, but a supposed follower makin it is going to give me a yellow flag.As for the point of your question, it also relies on the same accidental fallacy of conflating Judaism the religion with the "jewish" race. To say that a practicing Jew is a problem (which in itself is a categorical issue since the Talmud was compiled after Christ) would almost imply that a non-practicing irreligious kike is okay. This is the stance taken by a lot of people who post that dogshit "DAE why is JEWsus a JEW" poster, but it deliberately ignores that what makes kikes evil is a genetic fault of their race.
>>524634810>Maybe it is describing a certain event that played out in a similiar wayso how do you know ANY of the old testament, including all the shit about David and Israel, is "real"? how is the virgin birth or Jesus real, when there's nothing outside the bible even pointing to his existence?as soon as you start picking & choosing what was or wasn't real suddenly it should all be dismissed in its entirety
>>524633671>God decided to work salvation through a certain people groupIncorrect. "Before Abraham was, I am".>They are given as examples for us to learn about Him through.Yes, because the Hebrews were the first (and only?) historical example of a theocratic society.It didn't work, though. They fell away from God even during Moses' life.
>>524633364You're actually retarded if you believe anything in the Bible. I like Lord of the Rings but I don't believe any of it actually happened.
>>524634888>we wuz real israelites
>>524634753Lies. You don't understand your own religion, and the modern rabbis rightfully mock you for it. The entire jesus story is rabbinic midrashic pesher of the "son of man" stuff in Isaiah. It's not historical. It is prophecy manufacturing.If you are white, you really need to wake up. If you're brown, whatever keep dreaming
>>524633756>By choosing one chosen peopleYou misunderstand.Moses tried to build a theocratic God-centered society.It failed and things degenerated quickly.Christ's salvation would have perhaps been in a different format had it not.
>>524634444>bible isnt literalexcept it is in most places unless the context specifies allegory or metaphor or symbolism which is almost always obvious to those of even basic understandingthere is also four ways of interpretting the bible: Pshat,- literal / narrativeRemez - allusionDrush - expositionSod Pshat - esoteric / hidden beneath the surfacealso most of your claims about archaeology and history are in fact the oppositebible history is some of the most reliable and present artefacts known
>>524634810Jesus had a higher view of the OT events than this. thats why Christians tend to accept them as historical event
>>524634753And if you think that the gospels were written in the time of jesus by guys named Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, I have a bridge to sell you in New York
>>524633945>to free jews from slaveryRead Genesis. Israelites weren't slaves in Egypt, they were a privileged administrative class.
>>524634938>Don't hit me with that "as a black man" shit.>but a supposed follower makin it is going to give me a yellow flag.Sorry, i do come from an orthodox family, but i was never a firm practitioner, not because of lack of faith but certain practical reasons (im living in a catholic environment and orthodox churches were a bit far away). So because of certain disconnect with my familiar sect (orthodox) and not flocking to catholics immidatelly i used that time to think about things and got thirst for knowledge to better understand the place of beliefs.
>Heresy: the thread
>>524633364Because Jesus was not the "son of God" any more than anybody else is.He was a divine messenger and philosophical innovator (which are the same thing.)
>>524635186but this goes against what Exodus says>>524635237why is the WORST sin questioning? why does God only want mindless, unquestioning sycophants? aren't there enough of those in heaven already?
>>524635004>Incorrect. "Before Abraham was, I am".and from him was a great multitude made. out of those people came the Messiah and a great deal of information about God. thats all im saying.>They fell away from God even during Moses' life.of course they did. its all a picture of the sinful nature and God interacting with that nature.
>>524633364>so why specifically in a jewish community at the height of Rome?Because a Messiah had been prophesied to be born there. And at the time the people were expecting a Messiah to be born amongst them. I'd say read the Gospels but actually to help you get a better picture of what 1st Century Judaea was like, watch Monty Python's Life of Brian. There were lots of messianic claimants and lots of groups convinced that their particular claimant was the expected Messiah. God couldn't incarante anywhere else, like Norway or Japan. Well, I'm sure they could but would have no hope of being recognised as one and the same God that the Bible was talking about.
>>524635032"Israel" isn't a country or a nation. "Israel" is Jacob's second name. So, "Israelites" are the descendants of Jacob.No such descendants have existed for thousands of years, it doesn't matter who wuz or wasn't.
>>524634967>how is the virgin birth or Jesus real, when there's nothing outside the bible even pointing to his existence?Jesus Christ or Yeshua was definitely a man that existed. Metatron did a two good videos where he compiled the most sources and tried to review them. But yeah, Jesus was a real historical figure and the existence of Shroud Of Turin and its implications make it even more exciting, nothing confirmed but strengthens the faith.
>>524634482When observing christian shills you'll notice they all want to get ass fucked by trannies which is why they can't stop imaging trannies everywhere.
>>524635301>but this goes against what Exodus saysIt literally doesn't if you go by the text. Stop listening to kikish interpretations and just read it.
>>524635301The heart is the seat of knowledge. Explanations don't matter if your executive functions are fucked up.
>>524635313Again: the point of the Old Testament (and Jews in general) is that a political approach to salvation was tried, and failed horribly.Hence, the Kingdom of God must be not of this world.
>>524635373israel is>a man formerly called jacob, where jacob is the fleshly former life and israel is his spiritual life after the wrestling moment>israel also means to strive/wrestle with God and prevail>a corporate entity inclusive of all believers in the LORD God, and who have been born again by the Blood of Jesus Christ>a nation inhabiting the modern day equivalent- in essence this has always been a down payment on the earth, come Kingdom time the entire earth with be the Kingdom of Israel, Ruled by Jesus Christ>is real, therefore it's real hehehe
>>524635391>Jesus Christ or Yeshua was definitely a man that existed.source that isn't a youtube video with a guy talking? cause there is zero actual proof outside of the bible for his existence
>>524635585He literally compiled all the evidence that points to a man named Jesus Christ existing in that specific time and place in those videos.
>>524635453is this just a way of saying "feelings don't care about facts"?
>>524635555Sounds like kikish cope, desu.
>>524635639then it shouldn't be difficult to link the evidence in the videos outside of those videos?
jesus fucking christ why do so many people let some youtube faggot do their thinking for them?
>>524635547>failed horribly.as it must of course. i wouldn't call it Gods 'attempt' at salvation, as if He thought it might work, but perhaps you didn't mean it like that. The attempt was mans attempt to abide by the perfect requirements of the Righteous God, and the many consequent problems this attempt highlights.
>>524635717No, it shouldnt. Lemme just find the videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrbX8DcENMg
>>524635670No, I'm saying that the lens you filter the world through needs to be recalibrated. Your reasoning is made to serve your executive functions. You can ask questions about literally anything. There are an infinite amount of details to nitpick. It is ultimately up to you to make a decision to have faith.
>>524633364You have to understand that modern jews are not the Hebrews of the old testament.Mary just like all the prophets of the old testament were Christian because them and their religions sole purpose was the coming of the messiah that was prophecised. Modern Judaism was founded in 33 ad on the rejection of the words of the old testament, and on the killing of the God messiah. It's an antinomy of the one true faith, be it if the old or new covenant. These pharisees and most jews at the time of christ were not even ethnicly Hebrew as they have been replaced and mixed with the enemies of the Hebrew, the edomites, especially during the 2nd and 1st century BC after the macchabean revolt. Including their ruling "royal bloodline" with Herodius.Christ and most of his apostle came from a spared remote region, just when the subversion of the judeans was nearly completed, both spiritually and ethnicly. Modern jews got even more mixed through history after that
>>524633671>They were not chosen for those role due to any obvious superiority compared to other groups, quite the opposite in fact since God tells us that He likes to show His strength through the weakness of those people.Yes here's where you basically have it. This concept is repeated often in mystic circles like "turning lead into gold," "turning water into wine," "bringing the dead back to life," "from dust you came," etc. The ultimate display of power is to take a thing that's worthless and transform it into something of immense value.
>>524635891>It is ultimately up to you to make a decision to have faith.>aka "at some point you have to decide to believe it regardless of whether or not any "evidence" supports it"no disrespect intended, but how is this really any different than deciding you're a woman?
>>524633364It’s not a literal book you stupid fucking lowlife. Proverbs 1:6. Learn the sayings. “If you stand the heat get out of the kitchen” Has nothing to do with a kitchen. Yet it’s true. Kys.
>>524636037No, your reasoning is made to solve problems. It isn't meant to be elevated as your God and reason isn't the purpose fo your existence.
>>524634581 It’s hilarious that you worship a Jewish savior while claiming their race is cursed. You call them traitors, yet your entire worldview depends on their genealogy and their cultural records.If they are cursed, then your foundation is built on rot lol
>>524636037>but how is this really any different than deciding you're a woman?Bit of bad faith there, to not digress much. Trannies and LGBT are liars, decievers and tricksters, sexual scammers. Its the mode of mind in which they operate.
>>524636054>It’s not a literal bookwhy do people take ANY part of it literally at all then?>>524636084>your reasoning is made to solve problems.>it isn't meant to be used to solve the problem of whether god or jesus exists or notthen we're back here >>524635301>why does God only want mindless, unquestioning sycophants?
>>524633364only the hebrews had a death penalty on claiming Godhood.all gentile nations would have openly embraced Jesus as God and would worship him but the Messiah had to die for humanity, thats why he incarnated into the tribe of judah.you see it throughout scripture how open the gentiles were to accept Jesus as God.
>>524636173>It’s hilarious that you worship a Jewish savior while claiming their race is cursed. That logic was explained here>>524634098, but Christianity negates duality system as in Yin/Yang.
>>524636181>Bit of bad faith therenot really, there is as much actual evidence God exists as there is a man can be a womant. despises trannies and their non-logic
>>524636173Who needs to see the Synagogue of Satan flowchart again?
>>524635104That makes your God sound reactive and incompetent, not sovereign. If Christ is just a "Plan B" necessitated by human failure, then His incarnation isn't a divine triumph, it’s a desperate damage control. You are basically admitting that human stubbornness is more powerful than God’s original intent If God has to rewrite His eternal script every time humans mess up, then Jesus isn't a Savior, he’s just a janitor sent to mop up the mess of a failed rehearsal lol
>>524636182You can literally make a problem out of anything. Jesus says His sheep hear His voice. You either do or you don't.
>>524635946and i think we all understand this concept in one way or another, whether from such trivial examples in movies or books etc, to the idea of 'sleeper' cars that look like regular models but can do 0-60 in 4 seconds to other mythologies to Jesus Himself. its a very beloved idea.>>524636173you're just missing the point that Christians dont attribute Christ or Biblical morality etc as being jewish. We see it the other way around really - that the morality etc is from God and it just happens that this people group was formed to pass those ideas on until such a time that God expanded the whole thing to the rest of the world in a much greater way then previously.
>>524636285>man can be a womanIf you are reffering to anima and animus, thats a whole other can of worms.
>>524633364Location was chosen because it was a crossroad between different parts of the world at the time - most efficient to get the word spread.At the time, "virgin" was considered a woman who had not given birth yet.
>>524636334why are you self identifying as a sheep? when has being a "sheep" ever had positive connotations?>>524636336nah I'm referring to trannima and trannimus
>>524636221>only the hebrews had a death penalty on claiming Godhood.you know thats not a bad point. and thats precisely because of the pre-ordained morality system which cam from God.
>>524636439>why are you self identifying as a sheep? when has being a "sheep" ever had positive connotations?because God is our Shepherd. compared to Him we are far less than a sheep, but He's kind enough to describe us in such a nice way.
>>524636416https://youtu.be/89sD6StyzXk?si=fxpzHHPZhNjnaaZ3
>>524633364Jesus is not God.
>>524633364jesus wasn't god, but god was inside jesus. do you even know what a christ is?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic
>>524636509you sound like some simp describing an ethot
>>524636313If you need a schizophrenic flowchart to justify your faith, you don't have a religion, you have a mental breakdown disguised as theology lol
>>524636439Sheep do what they are told and they are nice and innocent. Goats are unruly and difficult. It is a shepherd metaphor.
>>524636563>quranfalse prophet, false scriptures
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>>524636630>Goats are unruly and difficult.not for muslims
>>524636593you sound like a prideful sinner. thats ok anon, its natural. May the Most High grant you repentance and faith and a new heart that sees sin for what it is.
>>524636335You’re essentially arguing that God used an entire nation as a biological "USB drive" for thousands of years, only to format it and throw it in the trash the moment the data was transferred. You want the fruit, but you’re trying to deny the existence of the roots because you don’t like the soil they grew in lol
>>524636696you sound too nice for the tone I'm using with you, my apologies, I'm getting carried away
>>524636699You are correct, but is also this line of logic>you're just missing the point that Christians dont attribute Christ or Biblical morality etc as being jewish. We see it the other way around really - that the morality etc is from God and it just happens that this people group was formed to pass those ideas on until such a time that God expanded the whole thing to the rest of the world in a much greater way then previously.
>>524633364wasn't Mary Aramaic aka Aryan-ic?
>>524633364Why was zeus from Greece? Why was Vishnu from India? Why was Quetzalcoatl from the Aztecs? Because that's where their creators originated. Rabbi Yeshua was 100% a jewish creation
>>524635301>aren't there enough of those in heaven already?The arrogance of this question betrays your supposed dilemma.
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>>524636791Im of the same potential belief, but sadly i havent yet studied Indo-European influence in the Levant. Gotta remember that in the Balkans, Indo-Europeans are mixed with EEF although not really semitic populations it lowers Indo-European potential i guess.
It's late and I won't be able to do this justice but I didn't want to just not respond.Look at the population demographics of the US now. Now look at what they were a mere 50 years ago. Places change over time.Historical records say Jesus was blonde/wheat/honey hair. The bible says beware of those who call themselves jews but aren't for they are the synagogue of satan.The jews of today are not the jews of the line that Jesus came from any more than the random Mexican guy named Jesus is the same Jesus. They adopted the name, that's all.>>524634504There are quite a few other organisms that birth via effectively self cloning.
>>524636319God's interaction with humanity are always weird because God knows what is going to happen yet he also doesn't interfere with free will.
>>524636852No, they were the because they are variations of one same Sky God/Father concept which arose due to expansive skies on the steppes.
>>524635436>Transphobes just want to have sex with trannies!Classic cope from the "assigned the wrong gender" crowd.
>>524636699its bit of a crude way to put it but in a sense i suppose you could say that, though im not sure where you get the part about throwing it in the trash from. He didn't do that. notice how many early Christians were jews. notice who He first sent the Gospel to and which people got to have God in flesh amongst them for years and years.No, God promised that He would never abandon the jew and He didn't...He still hasnt because He looks after them and brings many to faith in Christ to this very day.i deny nothing about the roots anon.>>524636759you should hear the tone i take with myself
>>524636855I mean, I don't want to be insulting to the angels, but it really seems like he only gave one of them any balls, and then demonized him for asking the questions he made him to askhow can an omnipotent and omniscient being create an "enemy" for himself that's any actual "threat" to him whatsoever?
>>524636781Oh shit... It’s really pathetic to watch you try to de-Judaize a religion that literally calls its God the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The fact that you both agree on this disposable box theory only highlights your collective insecurity. Why the dietary laws? Why the temple rituals? Why the specific prophecies? If it was all just a generic universal message, God could have dropped a monolith in the middle of Rome and saved everyone the trouble. Whites are not following a universal truth, Whites are following a redacted version of someone else’s heritage because you’re too proud to admit where you actually got it from lol
>>524636944yes but what makes the variations unique is how the different cultures spun the story, they aren't the same as the original Dyeus
>>524636285>there is as much actual evidence God exists as there is a man can be a womanWe have evidence that, with all foreseeable forms of modern medicine, a man cannot become a woman. We don't have the science to back up "God cannot exist."
>>524637056>Whites are following a redacted version of someone else’s heritage because you’re too proud to admit where you actually got it from lolFair point, although being a Serb i can always pussy out and call myself a honorary african, but jokes aside.
>>524633364If we try to be rational being born in the Roman empire was perfect>>524633756We don't know if they are chosen because the new test kind of invalidates the old one. I don't have time to do the research/read the bible
>>524637109>they aren't the same as the original DyeusThey arent, but they share the same beats and those beats continue to spread and resound with other peoples. Basically try to imagine a system that works and its adopted because it works. Just like how internet was made by West and adopted by everyone else despite not being theirs originally.
>>524637113>We don't have the science to back up "God cannot exist."you're taking the wrong thing from that, and completely ignoring the "science to back up he does" is the actual natural fit there
The bible calls israel the land of milk and honey.Roughly 1/4-1/2 modern jews are lactose intolerant. >A study concludes that 66% of Jewish Israelis are hypersensitive to the pollen of native olive trees, compared to only 16% of Arabs in Israel.https://s2jnews.com/when-the-land-itself-rejects-them-most-jewish-israelis-are-allergic-to-levantine-olive-tree-pollen-study-confirms/etc. etc.It's a word game. You take group A and get everyone in the world to refer to them as B and then things get messy when you ask about "B" and compare it what you know as A.
>>524637207then why is one religion superior to another? you believe one is closer to the truth/original story?
>>524637056>de-Judaizehow? We believe that Christ is perfect and sinless for the very fact that He kept the entire Law perfectly on the behalf of every single saved sinner. >Why the dietary laws? Why the temple rituals?its all a mixture of specific rules to keep the people safe, to make various kinds of spiritual points and examples and so on. you have to look at each thing.>Why the specific prophecies? as evidence for later people and to confirm that the Scripture is true. strengthen faith. glorify God>God could have done many things, but He did it this way. > universal truth, as you persist in ignoring, we dont see it that way at all. jews didn't invent this stuff. they were given it from God, and because of that we are not bound to the people it was given to, nor any of their culture that does not come form God.
>>524637056>If it was all just a generic universal message, God could have dropped a monolith in the middle of Rome and saved everyone the trouble.Maybe you should be God instead!
>>524633364Get this Jewish shit out of here
>>524636973You are trying to play both sides now to look reasonable. But Do you think this makes sense? If God never abandoned the Jews and gave them the exclusive privilege of having the Word in flesh for years, then their identity is not just a random coincidence. It is a divine preference. This means your God is not a cosmic creator but a local deity who successfully used Rome to franchise his ethnic cult. You are not embracing the roots. You are just trying to hide the fact that your entire faith is a branch of a tree you are too proud to admit you did not plant lol
>>524637387he could have used distant stars to spell out a message only visible from earthlol he could have literally done anything beyond "an ancient book about jews where jews are all the main characters"what I meant by "mindless sycophants", he literally gives you almost nothing at all to work with, then punishes you for not believing it
>>524637008>and then demonized him for asking the questions he made him to askYou missed the point of Paradise Lost.Satan was cast out of heaven because, in his pride, he wanted to surpass God.>By the abundance of your trading you became filled with violence within, and you sinnedLucifer thought he could do better, when he was created to be one of God's closest angels. He didn't just fail his purpose, he wanted to go against it.>that's any actual "threat" to him whatsoever?Nobody ever said Lucifer was a threat. In fact he was cast down fairly easily. Stop looking at Hazbin Hotel-tier stories as Biblican canon.
>>524637387I also believe in God. But my God is not so discriminatory as to borrow the body of someone from a specific ethnic group and expose himself to humanity lol
>>524637360I believe that by evolutionary standards one source got it "right" and being "superior" made it spread like fire throughout the world and influence humanities stories.
>>524633364Gods people are the 12 tribes of isrealites. Jesus was prophecied to come from the lineage of Judah.All non-isrealites were given to the smaller gods of this world, zeus, aphrodite, caanite gods, baal etc these are revealed to be the fallen angels who left their position in heaven and became irredeemable.
>>524633364>Jesus/Godlol. or you're talking about Jesus (the Son) or you're talking about the Father (God)
>>524637513>Nobody ever said Lucifer was a threat.he's portrayed as that well outside of "Hazbin Hotel" shit, stop being disingenuousmost of christianity portrays him that way
>>524637534Yeah, satan would never. He hates humanity.
>>524637417>It is a divine preference.sure, it was exactly that. problem? Now, before you fill that word 'preference' with all manner of stuff we dont believe, take a moment to notice the many posts on this subject near the top of the thread.>This means your God is not a cosmic creator but a local deity no logical necessity for that whatsoever. Why cant the Creator of everything choose to interact with His creature in this way? because it doesn't suit your idea?> your entire faith is a branch of a treemy faith is a gift from the One Who is the tree itself into which i have been grafted by grace
>>524637630Lucifer is without balance, he is pure narcissism, but that implies duality yet Christianity doesnt profess classic duality system like far eastern beliefs do.
>>524637334>No elaboration or counterargumentWrong. You're trying to equate an unfalsifiable statement with a biological contradiction. The problem is that we know the scope of said biological statement and what that entails (the complete restructuring of a human's generic makeup, hormonal balance, and aging growth), and can conclude that this isn't possible. With the statement of God, we cannot make such claims because God, categorically, exists outside the confines of our current universe. The only way to equate the two is to somehow prove that existence is only confined to our immediate universe, which science is skeptic to even propose.
>>524637630Lucifer, and all Satans, are a threat to humans, not to God. Please, actually look at the material you want to talk about instead of secondary fanfics.>>524637486>he could have done anything else butYes. And?
>>524637721>>No elaboration or counterargumentwhat counterargument is needed?>there is no scientific evidence proving a man can be a woman>there is no scientific evidence proving the existence of Godit's peanut butter and chocolate not peanut butter and mayonnaise
>>524633756Christian theology itself is a mental gimmick designed to avoid the overly simplistic answer that it's nonsense written by the desert funny small hat guys.
>>524637863>all satansthere's more than the one that's represented in the trinity? you know, god's other son?>he literally gives you almost nothing at all to work with, then punishes you for not believing itI wonder why you didn't selectively greentext this bit
>>524637876>what counterargument is needed?How about actually addressing the point of...>You're trying to equate an unfalsifiable statement with a biological contradiction. The problem is that we know the scope of said biological statement and what that entails (the complete restructuring of a human's generic makeup, hormonal balance, and aging growth), and can conclude that this isn't possible. With the statement of God, we cannot make such claims because God, categorically, exists outside the confines of our current universe...Instead of just begging your own contested question you disingenuous faggot?
>>524637546ok so the jews had a better marketing strategy
>>524638010>God, categorically, exists outside the confines of our current universe>completely created this current one and all throughout the old testament is literally present within it>somehow, it's impossible to prove his existence within it, you must prove there is nothing outside of it to disprove his existenceconvenient, and where in the bible does it say any of this?
>>524637950That's lazy
>>524633364>Why did God decide to incarnate in a womb of a jewish woman named Mary? Mary wasnt the only virgin woman in similiar situation so why specifically in a jewish community at the height of Rome? Just please entertain this thought if you believe in God/Jesus Christ. He does transcend race, but doesnt that make Mary, Jews, Rome etc irrelevant in the sense that their specificity is completely random. Is this with any clues explained in the Bible?one interpretation of the Bible is that it is the story of the downfall of the synagogue of satan. Not unlike Lucifer, who was God's favorite, Jacob's bloodline was selected out and elevated by God. They were given all the opportunity in the world, yet decided to kill God instead. That is the story that needed to be told to the world. A warning to the world of who the mortal enemy on earth is. Without telling this story in this way, the warning would not be potent enough.
>>524633364Anon, forget about that jewish religion. The bible is full of lies, incongruencies and contradictions. The "word of God" is just some delirious rambling by illiterate retarded desert jews. What the fuck else would you expect from jewish mythos other than stupid nonsense like the one you just stated?
>>524637966>there's more than the oneI'm a subscriber to the ""Satan" is a title" belief.But, yes, there are multiple demons. Lucifer is usually the one most people think of, so for the sake of consistency and pedanicism, I'm making the distinction.>you know, god's other sonPlease source this shit.>I wonder why you didn't selectively greentext this bitBecause your question is meaningless and self-defeating, and I wanted to laugh at the redundancy of it, and didn't think I needed to spell out how retarded it is.Yes, God could have done "anything." He "could" have... made the stars spell out explicit messages. If he did, we would still be having this conversation, only you would be making the same points as before.Imagine a parallel reality where this does happen. Your post would probably change to something like "well, if he existd, why doesn't he do something like, I don't know, come down to Earth and perform miracles?"
>>524633364lol, kikes can't stop lying.
>>524638279>one interpretation of the Bible>you can take parts of it literally but the whole was never meant to be taken literally, also there is literally no indication which parts are or aren't literal>whichever part is "problematic" in whatever moment can be interpreted various ways, or as metaphor, but not CERTAIN parts, like the virgin birth thing, that is always meant to be taken literally
>>524633364He didn't She wasn't jewish she was galileian
>>524638126>convenientSo you're giving up trying to equate it to a biologically verifiable statement.Congrats, you're starting to catch up to how atheists used to debate, since most of them wouldn't have been stupid enough to put themselves in that position to begin with.>where in the bible does it say any of this?Logical necessity God creating the universe you stupid faggot.
