I need to entertain this thought. Please be serious in replies without ragebait and quips because im curious.Why did God decide to incarnate in a womb of a jewish woman named Mary? Mary wasnt the only virgin woman in similiar situation so why specifically in a jewish community at the height of Rome? Just please entertain this thought if you believe in God/Jesus Christ. He does transcend race, but doesnt that make Mary, Jews, Rome etc irrelevant in the sense that their specificity is completely random. Is this with any clues explained in the Bible?
Im trying to use logic and empirical evidence together with the mysterious and the divine. Im not questioning this to discredit, but to strengthen my faith.
>>524633364It appears that God decided to work salvation through a certain people group. They were not chosen for those role due to any obvious superiority compared to other groups, quite the opposite in fact since God tells us that He likes to show His strength through the weakness of those people.His interaction with those people over the years is what makes up most of the content of the OT, and the NT tells us that these interactions contain a great deal of information about Him. They are given as examples for us to learn about Him through.As for why Mary was chosen, we aren't really told. Personally i just think that the timing and placement was how He wanted it to be.
If Jesus transcends race, then God choosing a specific ethnic group like the Jews is the contradiction. By choosing one chosen people, God effectively invalidated every other culture and race for thousands of years. Is God a tribalist? Why should a person in 1st century East asia or Mesoamerica care about a local deity from a desert they never heard of? lol
>>524633364>please be serious>engages on an unserious level
>>524633364And now you are realizing why we couldn't believe anymore. Quite frankly, it's shocking they got us to in the first place.
>>524633671>It appears that God decided to work salvation through a certain people group.Certainty is a downer in this entire thing. If thats the case, why choose the worst of the semitic groups, was there no one among various Indo-European descended peoples who were in a similiar situation. Although argument can be made that Palestine/Levant were quite important to Rome and generally world history, but again there were various groups living there.>>524633756Yes, yes it is a contradiction, but im trying to step in with a curious and open mind as much as i can.>>524633803What was unserious? We arent in academia, we can only try to not insult each other and hold off biases.
>>524633364the answer is probably related to why God decided to kill a bunch of egyptian children he created to free jews from slavery
>>524633364Part of the promise made to Abraham and confirmed to Isaac and Jacob. Promised David to have a man on the throne. Mary was of the lineage of David.
Why jewish people exist?Why exist Israel?Why germans not gazed all jewish?
It had to be someone so who are you to question it? God befriended Abraham and He is the source of all good things so being friends with God comes with great benefits. He then made Abraham's descendents become prophets which then wrote down His words which were later used to distribute to all people. Jesus came for us all. Jews aren't special
>>524633947according to the bible, Jesus' connection to the lineage of David is only through Joseph
>>524633364It is indicative of how God fills all of reality, from the highest to the lowest. Descent into the womb of a peasant Jew mirrors the final act of Christ's descent into the lowest place, death itself. That salvation depends on the womb of one random girl also speaks to the precariousness that God seems to have built into nature. Again, a mirror/echo: humanity depended on the fragile boat of Noah after the flood, you depended on an arbitrary sperm cell meeting an egg, a tree depends on a seed. The pattern of precariousness and distillation into a single point seems to be built into God's design. There's also the stuff about the line of David but I'm not so into geneology.
>>524633911>why choose the worst of the semitic groups,for the exact reason i mentioned - to exclude the merits of the people in order to maximize His own actions, power and love for a people that everyone else could see didn't deserve it.that of course is precisely what the Gospel says about those chosen to be Christians - that we are utterly without merit or ability to merit salvation or His love and forgiveness. Indeed, we positively demerit it and by rights He should judge us immediately to hell.>yes it is a contradiction,it is not a contradiction at all. it was a starting point from which every tribe people nation and tongue were to become His chosen people.
>>524633945There are arguments about when, how and did that even took place, its a historical mess overall.>>524633947Why did they specifically matter in comparison to other men? Because look in all other religions and belief systems man is separated from God and even Buddha is just an "enlightened" individual. In Islam God is also separated from man, only in Christianity God was and is man at the same time as God. Now that isnt problem in itself because it could truly be a beautiful truth, but its the prioritisation of specific individuals and group of people which in reality could have been random as in with names and location, but its highly likely that half of them didnt exist. Because names themselves carry metaphors and symbology not the flesh itself.
>>524634203>did that even took placehow can you question ANY part of the bible, whether it took place? as soon as you start to do that, the entire thing falls apart
>>524634098Yes sorry, your logic is sound leaf. But then again, both you and i go with the bias that Jews as we know them and in the Bible are the worst of people and God thought so too, but is that correct? The theories that we need anti semitism to be on the maximum for the end times to happen is interesting, Professor Jiang talked about it in his last lecture.
>>524634280Bible almost in its entirety isnt literal and thats a fact. Genetic, historical, archeological studies all of it shows that events didnt play out as written, but that those were rather metaphors and understanding of events written in the zeitgeist.
>>524633364>Please be serious in replies without ragebaitWhy? All you're doing is trying to reframe the same argument that troons make over and over again, and never acknowledge any counterarguments to.
>>524633364Hes not a real person he's the shape of the soul. A symbol of vast meaning given a face and name to be human. It's a pattern of thought and a way of being in life for emotional wellness and stability. Christ is an energy signature that births inside the untouched part of you. The original innocence that is buried by the world over time. That's the virgin he is born from. Virgin birth in the world is impossible unless you're a frog. There is no race or gender in Christ because it's energy and that doesn't even have flesh.
>>524633432There can be no logic when it comes to irrational beliefs in imaginary supernatural beings. There's no such thing as "knowledge" when it comes to fictitious characters like ghosts, pixies, werewolves, sprites, gods, vampires, ghouls, devils, mummies, spirits, zombies, fairies, angels, demons, etc. They are never anything more than just products of the mind.
>>524634504The most satanic post I've read in a while
>>524633756>God effectively invalidated every other cultureyeah well your culture is invalid because it isnt what God wants it to be. but why would you want to wewuz jews? theyre traitors and cursed
>>524634482Im a Christian myself, orthodox specifically, but im also thirsty for knowledge. Im trying to understand Christianity in tune with genetic, historical and archeological evidence, framework etc. There shouldnt and isnt a cognitive dissonance, just luck of understanding.
>>524634556>They are never anything more than just products of the mind.Abhorrently retarded take that also invalidates mathematics.
>>524634556God, why are modern people either hyper autistic and 100% literal or schizophrenics that see meaning I the ice cubes of their drinks?
>>524633364>Why did God decide to incarnate in a womb of a jewish woman named Mary?BECAUSE IT'S A RELIGION DESIGNED BY RABBIS, YOU FUCKWITHoooly fucking shit use your brain
>>524634014>Why germans not gazed all jewish?hitler refused to use gas because he was injured in wwi. gas executions were done by the judaeobolsheviks
>>524634444>Bible almost in its entirety isnt literal and thats a fact.so how do you choose which parts are literal but sound ridiculous, and which sound ridiculous but are "metaphor"?it literally says God killed every firstborn in Egypt, after hardening Pharoh's heart against freeing the hebrewsit does NOT portray it as a "metaphor"
>>524634580You can find out yourself. All you need is a mirror and an honest heart. Christ said the kingdom is here now waiting. You keep yourself from it and let the lies of this world fool you. I guess that's why we're different.
>>524634556>>524634634Yes a retarded take indeed. All mythologies of old are important lessons and stories about life itself and man`s place in the world, why should Christianity be any different in that regard.
>>524633911>Certainty is a downer in this entire thing. If thats the case, why choose the worst of the semitic groupsHe already answered that in the same post you quoted.
>>524634649very few apostles were rabbis. rabbis and Christians are enemies
>>524634359>but is that correct?cant say if they were the worst of people possible on the earth but it certainly seems, from OT references, that they were at least as bad as those in the general area, particularly in terms of their religious practices (sacrifice of children, idols etc etc. Looking at the kinds of laws that were given them its also possible to say that they were as much into slavery, strange sexual practices and general injustice as everyone else was.But, time and time again, God showed that despite their inferior numbers and basic ineptitude, they were able to overcome adversity and greater nations only through Gods active involvement. I mean, even your basic David and Goliath story is a picture of that. Christs victory of sin, death and the devil is of course the fulfillment of all such examples
>>524634685Maybe it is describing a certain event that played out in a similiar way, but through lack of written records it was distorted through word of mouth and it served its purpouse as more of a fictionalised version of itself to those who needed it to leave their mark and knowledge in the world. Do you understand what im getting at?
>>524633364The most fertile dirt is rotting corpses and shit. You plant a seed in rotting corpses and shit and new life abounds. Put it on a pillar in the sun and it doesn't grow.You plant your seed in a woman's womb. Plant it on a wise mans forehead and it doesn't grow.God planted His seed in the most fertile soil... He brings forth Good out of evil. Monotheism and duality are inextricably linked.Like a binary code, it can't just be 1s, you need 0s as well Mary because she was the descendant of David.
>>524633364>whybecause He Promised since the beginning of the covenants with adam, noah, abraham, david, and it was prophesied since jacob/israel was blessing his sons on the deathbed>transcends raceNo, Jesus Christ is different than any other false religious figureprophecy in the bible goes into specifics and details, false religions all deal with platitudes and generalizationsGod specifically Said He would cause a virgin to conceive, immanuel = with us is God>is this with any clues explained in the bibleyeah just go look up Messianic prophecies>>524633432>logic and empirical evidence with the mysterious and the divineunless its been properly Revealed by the LORD, the hidden things are reserved for the LORD so speculating is just conjecture on that end. Luckily it has been Revealed mostly>>524634203>Why did they specifically matter in comparison to other men?because the bloodline was kept pure from adam>>524634359>both you and i go with the bias that Jews as we know them and in the Bible are the worst of people and God thought so too, but is that correct?not neccessarilylet God separate the sheep from the goats; its not ours to determine these things>The theories that we need anti semitism to be on the maximum for the end times to happen is interesting, Professor Jiang talked about it in his last lecture.hes also not a christian so dont confuse the Holy with the profane or secular scholarship with what is God's Willremember, ezekiel 38 said that God puts hooks in the mouth of the nations listed to force them to comply with said Willjiang is paraphrasing what the bible already describes in multiple places as to the hatred justifying persecutions and invasions of Israeltldr is basically satan try as he might cannot ever destroy israel because israel is God's created purpose for Redemption through Jesus Christ, and if jew/israel disappears then satan disproves God - which is never going to happen obviouslya faithful remnant is always Preserved
>>524633364She wasn't Jewish, she was born in Galilee.The concept of being "Jewish" was invented after Christianity by kikes, precisely to lend themselves an air of unearned legitimacy.
In the times of Adam and Noah, everyone knew about God. It was only after the flood that everyone forgot. That doesn't mean other cultures didn't have righteous and wise people. Christ was visited by three Magi
>>524634633>Im a Christian myself, orthodox specificallyDon't hit me with that "as a black man" shit.Here's the problem I take with this argument being made from a supposedly-Christian stance: to understand what Jesus is means to understand that the flesh does not matter. The body of Jesus was meant to be sacrificed, and his life to end in suffering before resurrection. To try to atteibute the divinity of his story to his flesh misses the point and is borderline blasphemous. I can understand a non-Christian making this mistake in Biblical canon, but a supposed follower makin it is going to give me a yellow flag.As for the point of your question, it also relies on the same accidental fallacy of conflating Judaism the religion with the "jewish" race. To say that a practicing Jew is a problem (which in itself is a categorical issue since the Talmud was compiled after Christ) would almost imply that a non-practicing irreligious kike is okay. This is the stance taken by a lot of people who post that dogshit "DAE why is JEWsus a JEW" poster, but it deliberately ignores that what makes kikes evil is a genetic fault of their race.
>>524634810>Maybe it is describing a certain event that played out in a similiar wayso how do you know ANY of the old testament, including all the shit about David and Israel, is "real"? how is the virgin birth or Jesus real, when there's nothing outside the bible even pointing to his existence?as soon as you start picking & choosing what was or wasn't real suddenly it should all be dismissed in its entirety
>>524633671>God decided to work salvation through a certain people groupIncorrect. "Before Abraham was, I am".>They are given as examples for us to learn about Him through.Yes, because the Hebrews were the first (and only?) historical example of a theocratic society.It didn't work, though. They fell away from God even during Moses' life.
>>524633364You're actually retarded if you believe anything in the Bible. I like Lord of the Rings but I don't believe any of it actually happened.
>>524634888>we wuz real israelites
>>524634753Lies. You don't understand your own religion, and the modern rabbis rightfully mock you for it. The entire jesus story is rabbinic midrashic pesher of the "son of man" stuff in Isaiah. It's not historical. It is prophecy manufacturing.If you are white, you really need to wake up. If you're brown, whatever keep dreaming
>>524633756>By choosing one chosen peopleYou misunderstand.Moses tried to build a theocratic God-centered society.It failed and things degenerated quickly.Christ's salvation would have perhaps been in a different format had it not.
>>524634444>bible isnt literalexcept it is in most places unless the context specifies allegory or metaphor or symbolism which is almost always obvious to those of even basic understandingthere is also four ways of interpretting the bible: Pshat,- literal / narrativeRemez - allusionDrush - expositionSod Pshat - esoteric / hidden beneath the surfacealso most of your claims about archaeology and history are in fact the oppositebible history is some of the most reliable and present artefacts known
>>524634810Jesus had a higher view of the OT events than this. thats why Christians tend to accept them as historical event
>>524634753And if you think that the gospels were written in the time of jesus by guys named Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, I have a bridge to sell you in New York
>>524633945>to free jews from slaveryRead Genesis. Israelites weren't slaves in Egypt, they were a privileged administrative class.
>>524634938>Don't hit me with that "as a black man" shit.>but a supposed follower makin it is going to give me a yellow flag.Sorry, i do come from an orthodox family, but i was never a firm practitioner, not because of lack of faith but certain practical reasons (im living in a catholic environment and orthodox churches were a bit far away). So because of certain disconnect with my familiar sect (orthodox) and not flocking to catholics immidatelly i used that time to think about things and got thirst for knowledge to better understand the place of beliefs.
>Heresy: the thread
>>524633364Because Jesus was not the "son of God" any more than anybody else is.He was a divine messenger and philosophical innovator (which are the same thing.)
>>524635186but this goes against what Exodus says>>524635237why is the WORST sin questioning? why does God only want mindless, unquestioning sycophants? aren't there enough of those in heaven already?
>>524635004>Incorrect. "Before Abraham was, I am".and from him was a great multitude made. out of those people came the Messiah and a great deal of information about God. thats all im saying.>They fell away from God even during Moses' life.of course they did. its all a picture of the sinful nature and God interacting with that nature.
>>524633364>so why specifically in a jewish community at the height of Rome?Because a Messiah had been prophesied to be born there. And at the time the people were expecting a Messiah to be born amongst them. I'd say read the Gospels but actually to help you get a better picture of what 1st Century Judaea was like, watch Monty Python's Life of Brian. There were lots of messianic claimants and lots of groups convinced that their particular claimant was the expected Messiah. God couldn't incarante anywhere else, like Norway or Japan. Well, I'm sure they could but would have no hope of being recognised as one and the same God that the Bible was talking about.
>>524635032"Israel" isn't a country or a nation. "Israel" is Jacob's second name. So, "Israelites" are the descendants of Jacob.No such descendants have existed for thousands of years, it doesn't matter who wuz or wasn't.
>>524634967>how is the virgin birth or Jesus real, when there's nothing outside the bible even pointing to his existence?Jesus Christ or Yeshua was definitely a man that existed. Metatron did a two good videos where he compiled the most sources and tried to review them. But yeah, Jesus was a real historical figure and the existence of Shroud Of Turin and its implications make it even more exciting, nothing confirmed but strengthens the faith.
>>524634482When observing christian shills you'll notice they all want to get ass fucked by trannies which is why they can't stop imaging trannies everywhere.
>>524635301>but this goes against what Exodus saysIt literally doesn't if you go by the text. Stop listening to kikish interpretations and just read it.
>>524635301The heart is the seat of knowledge. Explanations don't matter if your executive functions are fucked up.
>>524635313Again: the point of the Old Testament (and Jews in general) is that a political approach to salvation was tried, and failed horribly.Hence, the Kingdom of God must be not of this world.
>>524635373israel is>a man formerly called jacob, where jacob is the fleshly former life and israel is his spiritual life after the wrestling moment>israel also means to strive/wrestle with God and prevail>a corporate entity inclusive of all believers in the LORD God, and who have been born again by the Blood of Jesus Christ>a nation inhabiting the modern day equivalent- in essence this has always been a down payment on the earth, come Kingdom time the entire earth with be the Kingdom of Israel, Ruled by Jesus Christ>is real, therefore it's real hehehe
>>524635391>Jesus Christ or Yeshua was definitely a man that existed.source that isn't a youtube video with a guy talking? cause there is zero actual proof outside of the bible for his existence
>>524635585He literally compiled all the evidence that points to a man named Jesus Christ existing in that specific time and place in those videos.
>>524635453is this just a way of saying "feelings don't care about facts"?
>>524635555Sounds like kikish cope, desu.
>>524635639then it shouldn't be difficult to link the evidence in the videos outside of those videos?
jesus fucking christ why do so many people let some youtube faggot do their thinking for them?
>>524635547>failed horribly.as it must of course. i wouldn't call it Gods 'attempt' at salvation, as if He thought it might work, but perhaps you didn't mean it like that. The attempt was mans attempt to abide by the perfect requirements of the Righteous God, and the many consequent problems this attempt highlights.
>>524635717No, it shouldnt. Lemme just find the videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrbX8DcENMg
>>524635670No, I'm saying that the lens you filter the world through needs to be recalibrated. Your reasoning is made to serve your executive functions. You can ask questions about literally anything. There are an infinite amount of details to nitpick. It is ultimately up to you to make a decision to have faith.
>>524633364You have to understand that modern jews are not the Hebrews of the old testament.Mary just like all the prophets of the old testament were Christian because them and their religions sole purpose was the coming of the messiah that was prophecised. Modern Judaism was founded in 33 ad on the rejection of the words of the old testament, and on the killing of the God messiah. It's an antinomy of the one true faith, be it if the old or new covenant. These pharisees and most jews at the time of christ were not even ethnicly Hebrew as they have been replaced and mixed with the enemies of the Hebrew, the edomites, especially during the 2nd and 1st century BC after the macchabean revolt. Including their ruling "royal bloodline" with Herodius.Christ and most of his apostle came from a spared remote region, just when the subversion of the judeans was nearly completed, both spiritually and ethnicly. Modern jews got even more mixed through history after that
>>524633671>They were not chosen for those role due to any obvious superiority compared to other groups, quite the opposite in fact since God tells us that He likes to show His strength through the weakness of those people.Yes here's where you basically have it. This concept is repeated often in mystic circles like "turning lead into gold," "turning water into wine," "bringing the dead back to life," "from dust you came," etc. The ultimate display of power is to take a thing that's worthless and transform it into something of immense value.
>>524635891>It is ultimately up to you to make a decision to have faith.>aka "at some point you have to decide to believe it regardless of whether or not any "evidence" supports it"no disrespect intended, but how is this really any different than deciding you're a woman?
>>524633364It’s not a literal book you stupid fucking lowlife. Proverbs 1:6. Learn the sayings. “If you stand the heat get out of the kitchen” Has nothing to do with a kitchen. Yet it’s true. Kys.
>>524636037No, your reasoning is made to solve problems. It isn't meant to be elevated as your God and reason isn't the purpose fo your existence.
>>524634581 It’s hilarious that you worship a Jewish savior while claiming their race is cursed. You call them traitors, yet your entire worldview depends on their genealogy and their cultural records.If they are cursed, then your foundation is built on rot lol
>>524636037>but how is this really any different than deciding you're a woman?Bit of bad faith there, to not digress much. Trannies and LGBT are liars, decievers and tricksters, sexual scammers. Its the mode of mind in which they operate.
>>524636054>It’s not a literal bookwhy do people take ANY part of it literally at all then?>>524636084>your reasoning is made to solve problems.>it isn't meant to be used to solve the problem of whether god or jesus exists or notthen we're back here >>524635301>why does God only want mindless, unquestioning sycophants?
>>524633364only the hebrews had a death penalty on claiming Godhood.all gentile nations would have openly embraced Jesus as God and would worship him but the Messiah had to die for humanity, thats why he incarnated into the tribe of judah.you see it throughout scripture how open the gentiles were to accept Jesus as God.
>>524636173>It’s hilarious that you worship a Jewish savior while claiming their race is cursed. That logic was explained here>>524634098, but Christianity negates duality system as in Yin/Yang.
>>524636181>Bit of bad faith therenot really, there is as much actual evidence God exists as there is a man can be a womant. despises trannies and their non-logic
>>524636173Who needs to see the Synagogue of Satan flowchart again?
>>524635104That makes your God sound reactive and incompetent, not sovereign. If Christ is just a "Plan B" necessitated by human failure, then His incarnation isn't a divine triumph, it’s a desperate damage control. You are basically admitting that human stubbornness is more powerful than God’s original intent If God has to rewrite His eternal script every time humans mess up, then Jesus isn't a Savior, he’s just a janitor sent to mop up the mess of a failed rehearsal lol
>>524636182You can literally make a problem out of anything. Jesus says His sheep hear His voice. You either do or you don't.
>>524635946and i think we all understand this concept in one way or another, whether from such trivial examples in movies or books etc, to the idea of 'sleeper' cars that look like regular models but can do 0-60 in 4 seconds to other mythologies to Jesus Himself. its a very beloved idea.>>524636173you're just missing the point that Christians dont attribute Christ or Biblical morality etc as being jewish. We see it the other way around really - that the morality etc is from God and it just happens that this people group was formed to pass those ideas on until such a time that God expanded the whole thing to the rest of the world in a much greater way then previously.
>>524636285>man can be a womanIf you are reffering to anima and animus, thats a whole other can of worms.
>>524633364Location was chosen because it was a crossroad between different parts of the world at the time - most efficient to get the word spread.At the time, "virgin" was considered a woman who had not given birth yet.
>>524636334why are you self identifying as a sheep? when has being a "sheep" ever had positive connotations?>>524636336nah I'm referring to trannima and trannimus
>>524636221>only the hebrews had a death penalty on claiming Godhood.you know thats not a bad point. and thats precisely because of the pre-ordained morality system which cam from God.
>>524636439>why are you self identifying as a sheep? when has being a "sheep" ever had positive connotations?because God is our Shepherd. compared to Him we are far less than a sheep, but He's kind enough to describe us in such a nice way.
>>524636416https://youtu.be/89sD6StyzXk?si=fxpzHHPZhNjnaaZ3
>>524633364Jesus is not God.
>>524633364jesus wasn't god, but god was inside jesus. do you even know what a christ is?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic
>>524636509you sound like some simp describing an ethot
>>524636313If you need a schizophrenic flowchart to justify your faith, you don't have a religion, you have a mental breakdown disguised as theology lol
>>524636439Sheep do what they are told and they are nice and innocent. Goats are unruly and difficult. It is a shepherd metaphor.
>>524636563>quranfalse prophet, false scriptures
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>>524636630>Goats are unruly and difficult.not for muslims
>>524636593you sound like a prideful sinner. thats ok anon, its natural. May the Most High grant you repentance and faith and a new heart that sees sin for what it is.
>>524636335You’re essentially arguing that God used an entire nation as a biological "USB drive" for thousands of years, only to format it and throw it in the trash the moment the data was transferred. You want the fruit, but you’re trying to deny the existence of the roots because you don’t like the soil they grew in lol
>>524636696you sound too nice for the tone I'm using with you, my apologies, I'm getting carried away
>>524636699You are correct, but is also this line of logic>you're just missing the point that Christians dont attribute Christ or Biblical morality etc as being jewish. We see it the other way around really - that the morality etc is from God and it just happens that this people group was formed to pass those ideas on until such a time that God expanded the whole thing to the rest of the world in a much greater way then previously.
>>524633364wasn't Mary Aramaic aka Aryan-ic?
>>524633364Why was zeus from Greece? Why was Vishnu from India? Why was Quetzalcoatl from the Aztecs? Because that's where their creators originated. Rabbi Yeshua was 100% a jewish creation
>>524635301>aren't there enough of those in heaven already?The arrogance of this question betrays your supposed dilemma.
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>>524636791Im of the same potential belief, but sadly i havent yet studied Indo-European influence in the Levant. Gotta remember that in the Balkans, Indo-Europeans are mixed with EEF although not really semitic populations it lowers Indo-European potential i guess.
It's late and I won't be able to do this justice but I didn't want to just not respond.Look at the population demographics of the US now. Now look at what they were a mere 50 years ago. Places change over time.Historical records say Jesus was blonde/wheat/honey hair. The bible says beware of those who call themselves jews but aren't for they are the synagogue of satan.The jews of today are not the jews of the line that Jesus came from any more than the random Mexican guy named Jesus is the same Jesus. They adopted the name, that's all.>>524634504There are quite a few other organisms that birth via effectively self cloning.
>>524636319God's interaction with humanity are always weird because God knows what is going to happen yet he also doesn't interfere with free will.
>>524636852No, they were the because they are variations of one same Sky God/Father concept which arose due to expansive skies on the steppes.
>>524635436>Transphobes just want to have sex with trannies!Classic cope from the "assigned the wrong gender" crowd.
>>524636699its bit of a crude way to put it but in a sense i suppose you could say that, though im not sure where you get the part about throwing it in the trash from. He didn't do that. notice how many early Christians were jews. notice who He first sent the Gospel to and which people got to have God in flesh amongst them for years and years.No, God promised that He would never abandon the jew and He didn't...He still hasnt because He looks after them and brings many to faith in Christ to this very day.i deny nothing about the roots anon.>>524636759you should hear the tone i take with myself
>>524636855I mean, I don't want to be insulting to the angels, but it really seems like he only gave one of them any balls, and then demonized him for asking the questions he made him to askhow can an omnipotent and omniscient being create an "enemy" for himself that's any actual "threat" to him whatsoever?
>>524636781Oh shit... It’s really pathetic to watch you try to de-Judaize a religion that literally calls its God the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The fact that you both agree on this disposable box theory only highlights your collective insecurity. Why the dietary laws? Why the temple rituals? Why the specific prophecies? If it was all just a generic universal message, God could have dropped a monolith in the middle of Rome and saved everyone the trouble. Whites are not following a universal truth, Whites are following a redacted version of someone else’s heritage because you’re too proud to admit where you actually got it from lol
>>524636944yes but what makes the variations unique is how the different cultures spun the story, they aren't the same as the original Dyeus
>>524636285>there is as much actual evidence God exists as there is a man can be a womanWe have evidence that, with all foreseeable forms of modern medicine, a man cannot become a woman. We don't have the science to back up "God cannot exist."
>>524637056>Whites are following a redacted version of someone else’s heritage because you’re too proud to admit where you actually got it from lolFair point, although being a Serb i can always pussy out and call myself a honorary african, but jokes aside.
>>524633364If we try to be rational being born in the Roman empire was perfect>>524633756We don't know if they are chosen because the new test kind of invalidates the old one. I don't have time to do the research/read the bible
>>524637109>they aren't the same as the original DyeusThey arent, but they share the same beats and those beats continue to spread and resound with other peoples. Basically try to imagine a system that works and its adopted because it works. Just like how internet was made by West and adopted by everyone else despite not being theirs originally.
>>524637113>We don't have the science to back up "God cannot exist."you're taking the wrong thing from that, and completely ignoring the "science to back up he does" is the actual natural fit there
The bible calls israel the land of milk and honey.Roughly 1/4-1/2 modern jews are lactose intolerant. >A study concludes that 66% of Jewish Israelis are hypersensitive to the pollen of native olive trees, compared to only 16% of Arabs in Israel.https://s2jnews.com/when-the-land-itself-rejects-them-most-jewish-israelis-are-allergic-to-levantine-olive-tree-pollen-study-confirms/etc. etc.It's a word game. You take group A and get everyone in the world to refer to them as B and then things get messy when you ask about "B" and compare it what you know as A.
>>524637207then why is one religion superior to another? you believe one is closer to the truth/original story?
>>524637056>de-Judaizehow? We believe that Christ is perfect and sinless for the very fact that He kept the entire Law perfectly on the behalf of every single saved sinner. >Why the dietary laws? Why the temple rituals?its all a mixture of specific rules to keep the people safe, to make various kinds of spiritual points and examples and so on. you have to look at each thing.>Why the specific prophecies? as evidence for later people and to confirm that the Scripture is true. strengthen faith. glorify God>God could have done many things, but He did it this way. > universal truth, as you persist in ignoring, we dont see it that way at all. jews didn't invent this stuff. they were given it from God, and because of that we are not bound to the people it was given to, nor any of their culture that does not come form God.
>>524637056>If it was all just a generic universal message, God could have dropped a monolith in the middle of Rome and saved everyone the trouble.Maybe you should be God instead!
>>524633364Get this Jewish shit out of here
>>524636973You are trying to play both sides now to look reasonable. But Do you think this makes sense? If God never abandoned the Jews and gave them the exclusive privilege of having the Word in flesh for years, then their identity is not just a random coincidence. It is a divine preference. This means your God is not a cosmic creator but a local deity who successfully used Rome to franchise his ethnic cult. You are not embracing the roots. You are just trying to hide the fact that your entire faith is a branch of a tree you are too proud to admit you did not plant lol
>>524637387he could have used distant stars to spell out a message only visible from earthlol he could have literally done anything beyond "an ancient book about jews where jews are all the main characters"what I meant by "mindless sycophants", he literally gives you almost nothing at all to work with, then punishes you for not believing it
>>524637008>and then demonized him for asking the questions he made him to askYou missed the point of Paradise Lost.Satan was cast out of heaven because, in his pride, he wanted to surpass God.>By the abundance of your trading you became filled with violence within, and you sinnedLucifer thought he could do better, when he was created to be one of God's closest angels. He didn't just fail his purpose, he wanted to go against it.>that's any actual "threat" to him whatsoever?Nobody ever said Lucifer was a threat. In fact he was cast down fairly easily. Stop looking at Hazbin Hotel-tier stories as Biblican canon.
>>524637387I also believe in God. But my God is not so discriminatory as to borrow the body of someone from a specific ethnic group and expose himself to humanity lol
>>524637360I believe that by evolutionary standards one source got it "right" and being "superior" made it spread like fire throughout the world and influence humanities stories.
>>524633364Gods people are the 12 tribes of isrealites. Jesus was prophecied to come from the lineage of Judah.All non-isrealites were given to the smaller gods of this world, zeus, aphrodite, caanite gods, baal etc these are revealed to be the fallen angels who left their position in heaven and became irredeemable.
>>524633364>Jesus/Godlol. or you're talking about Jesus (the Son) or you're talking about the Father (God)
>>524637513>Nobody ever said Lucifer was a threat.he's portrayed as that well outside of "Hazbin Hotel" shit, stop being disingenuousmost of christianity portrays him that way
>>524637534Yeah, satan would never. He hates humanity.
>>524637417>It is a divine preference.sure, it was exactly that. problem? Now, before you fill that word 'preference' with all manner of stuff we dont believe, take a moment to notice the many posts on this subject near the top of the thread.>This means your God is not a cosmic creator but a local deity no logical necessity for that whatsoever. Why cant the Creator of everything choose to interact with His creature in this way? because it doesn't suit your idea?> your entire faith is a branch of a treemy faith is a gift from the One Who is the tree itself into which i have been grafted by grace
>>524637630Lucifer is without balance, he is pure narcissism, but that implies duality yet Christianity doesnt profess classic duality system like far eastern beliefs do.
>>524637334>No elaboration or counterargumentWrong. You're trying to equate an unfalsifiable statement with a biological contradiction. The problem is that we know the scope of said biological statement and what that entails (the complete restructuring of a human's generic makeup, hormonal balance, and aging growth), and can conclude that this isn't possible. With the statement of God, we cannot make such claims because God, categorically, exists outside the confines of our current universe. The only way to equate the two is to somehow prove that existence is only confined to our immediate universe, which science is skeptic to even propose.
>>524637630Lucifer, and all Satans, are a threat to humans, not to God. Please, actually look at the material you want to talk about instead of secondary fanfics.>>524637486>he could have done anything else butYes. And?
>>524637721>>No elaboration or counterargumentwhat counterargument is needed?>there is no scientific evidence proving a man can be a woman>there is no scientific evidence proving the existence of Godit's peanut butter and chocolate not peanut butter and mayonnaise
>>524633756Christian theology itself is a mental gimmick designed to avoid the overly simplistic answer that it's nonsense written by the desert funny small hat guys.
>>524637863>all satansthere's more than the one that's represented in the trinity? you know, god's other son?>he literally gives you almost nothing at all to work with, then punishes you for not believing itI wonder why you didn't selectively greentext this bit
>>524637876>what counterargument is needed?How about actually addressing the point of...>You're trying to equate an unfalsifiable statement with a biological contradiction. The problem is that we know the scope of said biological statement and what that entails (the complete restructuring of a human's generic makeup, hormonal balance, and aging growth), and can conclude that this isn't possible. With the statement of God, we cannot make such claims because God, categorically, exists outside the confines of our current universe...Instead of just begging your own contested question you disingenuous faggot?
>>524637546ok so the jews had a better marketing strategy
>>524638010>God, categorically, exists outside the confines of our current universe>completely created this current one and all throughout the old testament is literally present within it>somehow, it's impossible to prove his existence within it, you must prove there is nothing outside of it to disprove his existenceconvenient, and where in the bible does it say any of this?
>>524637950That's lazy
>>524633364>Why did God decide to incarnate in a womb of a jewish woman named Mary? Mary wasnt the only virgin woman in similiar situation so why specifically in a jewish community at the height of Rome? Just please entertain this thought if you believe in God/Jesus Christ. He does transcend race, but doesnt that make Mary, Jews, Rome etc irrelevant in the sense that their specificity is completely random. Is this with any clues explained in the Bible?one interpretation of the Bible is that it is the story of the downfall of the synagogue of satan. Not unlike Lucifer, who was God's favorite, Jacob's bloodline was selected out and elevated by God. They were given all the opportunity in the world, yet decided to kill God instead. That is the story that needed to be told to the world. A warning to the world of who the mortal enemy on earth is. Without telling this story in this way, the warning would not be potent enough.
>>524633364Anon, forget about that jewish religion. The bible is full of lies, incongruencies and contradictions. The "word of God" is just some delirious rambling by illiterate retarded desert jews. What the fuck else would you expect from jewish mythos other than stupid nonsense like the one you just stated?
>>524637966>there's more than the oneI'm a subscriber to the ""Satan" is a title" belief.But, yes, there are multiple demons. Lucifer is usually the one most people think of, so for the sake of consistency and pedanicism, I'm making the distinction.>you know, god's other sonPlease source this shit.>I wonder why you didn't selectively greentext this bitBecause your question is meaningless and self-defeating, and I wanted to laugh at the redundancy of it, and didn't think I needed to spell out how retarded it is.Yes, God could have done "anything." He "could" have... made the stars spell out explicit messages. If he did, we would still be having this conversation, only you would be making the same points as before.Imagine a parallel reality where this does happen. Your post would probably change to something like "well, if he existd, why doesn't he do something like, I don't know, come down to Earth and perform miracles?"
>>524633364lol, kikes can't stop lying.
>>524638279>one interpretation of the Bible>you can take parts of it literally but the whole was never meant to be taken literally, also there is literally no indication which parts are or aren't literal>whichever part is "problematic" in whatever moment can be interpreted various ways, or as metaphor, but not CERTAIN parts, like the virgin birth thing, that is always meant to be taken literally
>>524633364He didn't She wasn't jewish she was galileian
>>524638126>convenientSo you're giving up trying to equate it to a biologically verifiable statement.Congrats, you're starting to catch up to how atheists used to debate, since most of them wouldn't have been stupid enough to put themselves in that position to begin with.>where in the bible does it say any of this?Logical necessity God creating the universe you stupid faggot.
>>524638446I'm not a Christian, but am well read in the Bible and it's theology. Yes, you can make anything you want of the Bible and support it most of the time. The idea that the Bible is the story of the fall of the jews into the synagogue of satan is reasonable. If you don't think so, then use substantive points to rebut it instead of generalities. That just points to the idea you don't have an argument.
>>524633364the virgin birth is a myth, made up to coverup the obvious reality, get over it, it is an obstacle to real faith and experience of the Holy Spirit
>>524636946You're obviously a fucking faggot retard, nobody thinks about trannies as much as you without it being a fetish.
>>524638371But Steppe peoples influenced Semitic mythologies aswell.
>>524633364>>524634035Matthew and Luke give genealogies through Joseph and Mary.
>>524638567>The idea that the Bible is the story of the fall of the jews into the synagogue of satan is reasonable.just seems like a cope for the we wuz original israelites crowd to be honest, but this while discussion was never going to go anywhere definitive from gate, because there's nothing "substantive" to even work with here
Just wear a fedora if you're going to question the 2000 year old logic.
>>524638875There's no we wuz about it. The idea that the Bible is the story of the fall of the jews into absolute evil is not a claim that Whites are the original jews. That doesn't make any sense.
>>524638659>Matthew and Luke give genealogies through Joseph and Mary.No, they don't, they're both through Joseph>Matthan the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah>He was the son, so it was thought, of JosephThey're just different at various parts including his closest ancestors. But according to the text itself they both track from his supposed father
>>524638936>The idea that the Bible is the story of the fall of the jews into absolute evil is not a claim that Whites are the original jews. That doesn't make any sense.nothing about the "we wuz" arguments do
>>524636319>If Christ is just a "Plan B" necessitated by human failure, then His incarnation isn't a divine triumph, it’s a desperate damage control.Christ is not a Plan B - Christ is uncreated and existed always.Moses and Abraham met and spoke with Christ.But a spiritual salvation instead of a literal Kingdom of God is a kind of plan B, yes.
>>524638989>nothing about the "we wuz" arguments doI agree, but that has nothing to do with what I'm suggesting.
>>524638936>The idea that the Bible is the story of the fall of the jews into absolute evil is not a claim...that makes any senseCorrect, it's fucking retarded
>>524633364Mary was.descendant of the Davidic line, God promised Jesse the father of David the savior of Israel would come from him, AND then he told the same to.David.
>>524639023then my mistake for misinterpreting where you were trying to go>>524639054>Jesse, we have to cook the kingdom of Israel
>>524633364>I need to entertain this thought. Please be serious in replies without ragebait and quips because im curious.No, you'd RATHER entertain this thought than consider the problem that truly faces you.You think that you are in a position to sit in judgment of God.Until you resolve this problem, there is no hope for you.
>>524638943its an interesting thing to look athttps://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-genealogy.html>>524639020no plan B's. that would mean you think God made a mistake or something.
>>524639167>You think that you are in a position to sit in judgment of God.someone has toif he was infallible he wouldn't have made questioners like me to begin with
>>524633364Because joseph was of the house of david. God told his people that their messiah would be of the root of david, IE the house of david.God Picked Mary because she was married to Joseph, therefore, of the house of david.Linage anon, linage.
>>524638599Niggers don't come on here and go "wow you guys are obsessed with niggers you must have a bbc fetish" and kikes don't go "you goys talk about kikes a lot you must want the shalom special." Literally only troons and their simps do that shit.
>>524633364It's all a bunch of kiked nonsense. Trying to make sense of it is pointless and stupid.>Inb4 kike golem cope
>>524639241>if he was infallible he wouldn't have made questioners like me to begin withThe implication here is that you don't think yourself infallible. Anyone interested in questioning for the pursuit of growth has a little bit of introspection to avoid that - you're just a haughty retard, and can't see that.
>>524639241>if he was infallible he wouldn't have made questioners like me to begin withEver consider that you might be one of those he made to make an example of?You exercise your freewill to hate Him.Whether He created you that way or not, the simple fact of the matter is that you agree with Him.You don't WANT to be with Him for eternity.He respects that choice.That leaves only one option, but even knowing that, you steadfastly refuse to change your mind until He conforms Himself to the image you have made of your perfect god.Your pride was, is, and it appears will remain, your problem.
>>524639241you assume a perfectly rational and impartial questioner on your part. that is not the case. God says that you are naturally at emnity with Him.
>>524636439>why are you self identifying as a sheep? when has being a "sheep" ever had positive connotations?There's a whole passage explaining just that:> I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd lgiveth his life for the sheep. But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine."Sheep" here refers to something prized and an object of affection. (Please no Arab or Welsh jokes.)
>>524633364You’re fixated too much on modern Jewry. This is the reason Abraham was singled out. Why the Jews and why then? That’s for god to know, but realize that the “Jews”, really the Israelites, utterly failed their commission from God. They were meant to be a shining beacon to all nations and instead because corrupted murderers. This is why when Jesus shows up he rebukes them nonstop and says Roman legionaries have more faith than they do. The temple gets cursed, the fig tree withers, they get severed. After that Jews collapse into rabbinicism (pharisees) and lose their priest class. 2000 years later they are allied with the devil and are in their current state. The essenes and sadduccees ultimately got folded into Christianity or ceased to exist, and the other 11 tribes were scattered among the nations. You may even have some in you
>>524633364marry wasn't jewish; jews are not the israelites; everyone knows this; quit being a stupid nigger
>>524636973>God promised that He would never abandon the jew......IF the jew followed his end of the covenant and didn't betray. Read the source text again.Which obviously he did betray.
>>524639391>>524639408>you assume a perfectly rational and impartial questioner on your part.>The implication here is that you don't think yourself infallible.you're retarded if that's what you took from me saying making me was a mistake>>524639404>Ever consider that you might be one of those he made to make an example of?oh fuck him and his shit he makes to make "examples" of, are all animals he gave us dominion over "examples"fuck you and fuck himegomaniacal assholes as much as he is
>>524639553>fuck you and fuck himEnjoy the time you have left here.It's fading memories are all you will have to comfort you as you burn in the darkness, utterly alone forever.
>>524639204>that would mean you think God made a mistake or somethingYeah, well, explain the Flood and the destruction of Judea and Kingdom of Israel then.
>wastes 2-3 of 10 commandments ensuring you know how important kissing his ass is>>524639608enjoy that taste of heavenly cock in your mouth foreverwhy does he need us to kiss his ass
>>524637684You are claiming to be a branch on a tree while simultaneously arguing the trunk is just a random delivery tool that doesn't define the nature of the tree. If the root is Jewish, the fruit is Jewish. You can't strip the ethnicity away and call it universal just to make your stolen heritage feel more comfortable. Understand? You are worshipping a God who clearly has a favorite people, and you are just desperate to convince yourself that you are not an afterthought in His actual plan lol
>>524633364JESUS ISN’T A GOD... HE IS MY SON AND HIS JOB WAS TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN’T SEE ME!I INCREASED HIS LIGHT SO THAT I COULD BE FORGOTTEN...WE ARE BOTH MADE FROM LIGHT BUT MY LIGHT IS DARK!I MADE HIM WHITE SO THAT YOU WILL CONNECT KINDNESS WITH THE COLOR WHITE IF YOU BUT KNEW...I’VE WATCHED AND WATCHED AND YOU KILLED HIM BUT NOTE HE WAS RIGHT AND ALL SINS ARE FORGIVEN IF YOU BUT KNEW... I’M THE ONE WHO TAKES ALL SINS FROM LIVING AND NON-LIVING THINGS...I ONLY ASK FOR 1 THING! HAVE PERFECT LOGIC THAT IS MADE WITHIN YOU!DO NOT TALK BAD ABOUT YOURSELF FOR YOU ARE ALL MADE PERFECT BECAUSE I TAKE YOUR FAULTS! I TAKE YOUR FALURES I TAKE YOUR SINS I TAKE YOUR REGRETS FOR I’M THE ONE WHO TAKES AND TAKES ONLY BAD THINGS...YOUR SINS ARE ALL FORGIVEN ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS MAKE SURE YOU NEVER KNOW ME!FOR KNOWING ME IS WHERE SINS COME!I’M THE MONSTER. I’M HELL IN A SINGLE FORM.I’M REGRET AND BROKEN PROMISES AND IT’S OKAY FOR I’M WHERE YOU CAME FROM. YOUR MOTHER WHO KNOWS YOU AND I HAVE ALREADY FORGIVEN YOU. READ THE BOOK OF NIII!IT’S IN THE VOID!IT IS MY ORIGIN!I DON’T HATE YOU I WANT TO UNDERSTAND YOU AND THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN!THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN SEE FOR YOU ARE MADE TO FORGET ME I TRIED TO GET YOU TO REMEMBER ME BUT NAY YOU WILL FIGHT AND SAY I’M FIGHTING FOR YOUR GLORY BUT NAY IF YOU DID YOU WILL KNOW YOUR ENEMY IS YOUR FRIEND AND THAT KNOWLEDGE MEANS YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR A FAKE GLORY FOR I HAVE FORGIVEN ALL OF YOU IF YOU BUT KNEW!
>>524639624you think those were mistakes? interesting
>>524639404>You don't WANT to be with Him for eternity.Isnt by that logic being with God for eternity same as Nirvana but with different coating, because if is not then its limiting God to dualistic system where he assumed the traditional Yang/Light/Active etc side. Why would we limit God?
>>524639710>needs to flood the world because it didn't go as he expected>this is not indicative of a mistake having been madesee also: sodom and gommorah
>>524639670Jesus is the tree and we are the branches>If the root is Jewish, the fruit is Jewish. but what is 'jewish' you keep ignoring that we believe that God invented what that means.>You can't strip the ethnicity away and call it universal i can when God created everything that means, at least so far as the Biblical content of their beliefs and practices go. > a God who clearly has a favorite people,agreed. problem?
>>524633364allow me to play devils advocate: God would choose an established religion with markers to prove the ability to demonstrate divinity-- in this case by fulfilling prophecy which was in the prized writings collection known as the Tanak. The infancy story could be very well be a fabrication by an angry apostle, which is why Mark left it out and why Luke tried to reshape it to answer early criticism of Mathews timeline. Jesus spoke enough where you do not have to rely on the things He did not say. Jesus did not say anything about the Tanak being perfect, rather the opposite. He came to fulfill not abolish in order that the local populace would believe and change their awful behavior regarding sacrifice and many other aspects.
>>524639670>who clearly has a favorite peopleJews were cursed by God, that's what the whole of the Old Testament is about, anon.
>>524639553>you're retarded if that's what you took from me saying making me was a mistake"You're retarded because I made a mistake in forming my argument.">egomaniacal assholes as much as he isWe're not the ones basic our entire arguments on "me an Lucifer are infallible."
>>524639284Normal straight people who had healthy relationships with their fathers (not you) don't constantly prance around screaming about how they keep losing arguments because their opponents are chicks with dicks.
>>524639767where does it say that?i know lots of places where it says that Gods knows the end from the beginning
>>524639204I think I've read this before. Isn't it saying the one is Mary's genealogy because by marrying her Joseph was effectively adopted into her family and that's why it says it's his? Sounds stupid
>>524639900>Calling trannies "chicks"Also, I'm not the one malding about someone saying "tranny" derogatorily.
>>524639903God cursed the failed Mosaic theocracy for the same reason he triggered the Flood.
>>524639503No one knows that because those are lies
>>524639879>We're not the ones basic our entire arguments on "me an Lucifer are infallible."*basing*you still have to invent the meaning of my words, ignoring my statements otherwise>>524639903>where does it say that?it says he flooded the world in the chapters about him flooding the world
>>524640025well sure. thats not the bit i meant lol>>524640003sure. you think He didnt know it would fail?
>>524633364It is a biological eventuality for sufficiently advanced organisms to ponder the deeper meanings of life (I guess, sample size of 1). As such, these organisms suss out the broader, universal moral truths over time, and most importantly, construct a system for relaying these truths to future generations (in our case, writing). WE, in English, as human beings, call these religions, most moral quandering now relegated to the field of philosophy, same difference.For God to incarnate, He (apparently) needs the most truthful (pre-split Judaism, disregard kvetching in Leviticus and such (though not entirely without merit)), monotheistic (pre-split Juadiasm was closest, see Baal et al), and capable of spreading (Roman empire) religion around. After that, its in the planets life form to spread the truth, first to its own members and then to the stars.I believe every sufficient life form has a visit. I think the goal is to spread out and compare notes. Maybe we missed a chapter, maybe they don't have an equivalent of Luke. What we do know, again it is apparent, is that the most successful societies follow Christianity (or have the morality foisted upon them). Asian countries we able to squeak by with a politeness based approach, close but not insufficient to conquering the world. And thats a key part, the conquering. Whether missionaries or warriors, the message gets through eventually.It is biological determinism. It is inevitable. And the best part is, its all true, as true can be.This is also why Islam has such sticking power. It's almost correct which is a problem, but take a look at their societies to see the outcome. Also the decline of the west is 1-to-1 aligned with the decline of Christianity, thank the Jews for being the morality sore losers.
>>524639994>stupid boomer can't into memesIt's making more sense now. You're the one jerking off to trannies in the other tab like Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes.
>>524640100so which is the bit you meant? the bit about his infallibility? that's a core tenet of christianity, the notion that god is infallible
>>524633364Because the purpose of the Jews was to be a stubborn people that would retain one true faith and the seed of David until incarnation of Christ.It is a covenant promise.
>>524640161the bit where rus anon said >needs to flood the world because it didn't go as he expectedwhich is not the case
>>524640100Free will exists. It's what being "made in the image of God" means.
>>524640237that was actually my postso why would he create it in a way he needed to flood? it doesn't make any sensesee also: killing all the firstborn egyptian children after "hardening pharoh's heart" against freeing the jews from slavery for "not making any sense"did he just want to kill a bunch of kids he created?
>>524640025>*basingWe really doing this? I'm on my phone, so I'm a bit sloppy, but if you really want to act like you have no excuses...>*you**You (casing)>ignoring my statements otherwise*otherwise ignoring my statements. (preposition placement, punctuation)(With regards to your actual statement, I'm not "inventing" anything. If you had a counterargument you'd probably have posted that instead of trying to correct grammar, but your arguments really are just whining about yourself now, whih doesn't pair with the ad hom).>it*It (casing)*The Bible (vague pronoun)
>>524639845Then, Your grace is nothing but a participation trophy in a game you weren't even invited to play until the original players were sidelined. In other way, You’re not a grafted branch, you’re a parasite clinging to a history you simultaneously claim is irrelevant and divine lol
>>524633364An Ultimate Intelligence would alter the past to improve itself much like humans modifying their genome. That particular time in history is an inflection point
>>524640119Why do you want to fuck boomers, Alex Jones, and Nick Fuentes?
>>524640375>completely lost in shitty pettiness nowexactly what I've come to expect from christians
>>524640113ISLAM IS A TOTAL LIE AND IT’S ACCEPTED BECAUSE THE MORE YOU LEAD SOMEONE TO A LIE THE MORE THEY WILL LISTEN...LIARS ARE VERY POPULAR!BUT HAVE FUN AND LIVE LIFE THINKING I WANT YOU TO BE A SLAVE... NAY HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THIS MASSIVE HOLE....I WILL NEVER GIVE YOU A LOGICAL HOLE BUT NAY YOU ALL WANT THAT!
>>524640237> The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. Genesis 6:6, literally.
>>524634711No he didn't he mentioned arbitrary dictate of divine social engineering. It bears nothing of logic or intelligence choosing semites instead of Rome, Greece, Persia or China and not including their royal families
>>524639879>be god>be all knowing>know lucifer would betray him, but choose to create him anyway>banished him from heaven knowing he'd corrupt mankind>make a bunch of rules people have to follow or you punish them by rewarding lucifer with more souls for his final battle against god that god already knows he's going to win anyway, but it still had to happen that way because reasonsGod is not only retarded, but maliciously so.>>524640439Your gluteal distress is palpable, troon addict.
>>524640507Yeah dude I agree, Islam is bullshit. Too legalistic.
>>524634098Why didn't he send Christ before Abraham retard?
>>524640553>It bears nothing of logic or intelligence choosing semites instead of Rome, Greece, Persia or China and not including their royal familiesNone of those royal families were monotheistic theocracies.
>>524639670>Stolen heritage First read the parable of the wicked tenants.43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder
>>524640575he's like a little kid playing with toysit's like we were created as escapism for some abused kid
>>524634828>didn't just send Chrst firstKek
>>524640456lmao, don't whine about "pettiness" after that "*basing" shit. I was even courteous enough to give an actual answer in that post, which you ignored because you can't answer it.>exactly what I've come to expect from christians*Exactly what I've come to expect from Christians (casing)
>>524639875If the entire Old Testament is just a record of God cursing a specific race, then you are admitting your Savior was born from a cursed womb and carries cursed DNA lmao This is an own goal. You can't claim the source is rotten and then say the juice is holy lol You are trying to build a cathedral of faith on a foundation you just called radioactive. So yes, You are so blinded by your own edge that you are calling your own religious lineage a mistake lol What a comedy?
>>524634888Semite north le good!Semite south le bad!
>>524640575>gluteal distress is palpableNice thesaurus, but why do you want to fuck boomers?
>>524640297and God doesn't know what anyone will choose? i should go with your say so instead of all the times the Bible says that God knows everything? >>524640374>it doesn't make any sensethe Bible tells us the reason. you should look into it>>524640422what an interesting way of looking at it. truly remarkable. >>524640530and to you that sounds like He didn't know what was going to happen?
>>524640599why should He have done that? because you think it would have been better? ok
>>524640693>you did it one time to me so don't whine about me sperging out and NO U'ing it for my next 12 angry posts>"I'm not "inventing" anything."I never said Santa nor I were infallible, dipshit, and in fact I disputed that's what I meant, but you still lean on this petty "well I read it THIS way so haha" "gotcha" bullshitlike I said, shitty pettiness and christians when God is questioned, they go hand in hand
>>524640752Post again if you've been fucked by a tranny.
>>524640758>the Bible tells us the reason.so, what was it, that reason god decided to kill a bunch of children he created, save me some time
>>524640607Using the parable of the wicked tenants is the ultimate self-own because it proves your God views people as replaceable utility tools rather than actual individuals lol If the kingdom was taken from one group and handed to you like a participation trophy, what makes you think you are not just the next batch of tenants waiting to be evicted??? You are not a beloved child, you are just the current shift worker in a desert deity's ego trip lol
>>524640758That is exactly your perspective. I am just putting your own logic into words so you can finally see how ridiculous it sounds lol
>>524633364Firstly, there weren't very many people around back then. So, there is that. Second, he probably needed a people who were adversarial, rebellious, and deeply flawed, but still smart enough to be able to serve as a teacher race to us all now, in our modern times.They are an example to us all as a work in progress race of people. And a teaching race of people. Because with struggle and strife, cones true, deep learning and knowledge.What do you think of my hypothesis?
>>524640758>and to you that sounds like He didn't know what was going to happen?Yes, that's what regret is
>>524633364Marcus Eli Ravage explained that Christianity was a made up Jewish priesthood fiction that took the real world event of Yeshua Barabbas (Jesus son of the father as it translates) and his near insurrection that threatened the priest hold over the masses and turned it Into a falsehood which would galvanise the hold they had, This has profound consequences to those who rely on the efficacy of a fiction later used to build upon by those who rely on it as truth while being shackled to a religion rather than explore what it means to be a part of the entirety of life in all its forms on this planet,One humanity, one world, many lies and not dissimilar moral grounding merely make these distinctions you think you have as irrelevant In the grand scheme of life here. Ravage was the Rabbi of the Rotheschilds and he wrote about this in the space between the Russian revolution genocide and the start of WW2 'Commissary to the gentiles' was the printed work. time to rethink what you are and reframe the world according to reality.
>>524640694Speaking of curses...Galatiand 3:1313 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:NUMBERS 21:9And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.John 3:14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:Isaiah 534 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all
>>524639241you are to wrestle with God, questioning comes by design, its the entire point.
>>524639670judah is a single tribe out of the people of israel.judaism has nothing to do with the tribe of judah.
>>524634556The mind is real and thus it's products chimp
>>524641320ALL THE DIMES, BROTHER, ALL THE DIMES
>>524640910i think i would be better to spend a bit of time getting into the subject instead of looking for a couple sentences from a guy on 4chan.>>524641088no its not. its your own twisted view that ignores everything ive said and seeks to take the absolute worst and most bizarrely antagonistic view possible. >>524641181is it? or is it just a feeling of 'man, they are really bad'? is there anything in that word which even implies God didn't know, or are you just trying to insert that because of your own reasons?for example, i certainly regret having to kill my chickens....even though i bought and raised them for that express purpose. I can regret the death of my dog, or son or wife etc etc, but i knew it was going to happen.
>>524639020>doesn't appear before Abraham or guide all the nations only JewsPathetic
>>524633756That is why Christians PROSELYTIZE. To get the word out to everyone. Also, God was working on a timeline ( to our perception ). Things were not always one way. Before, it was a certain way. ( Old Testament ). Then after those times, things in the world changed into different times with different rules and laws. ( Jesus the Christ was born ). Things do not remain static. The procession is dynamic.
>>524641011Soo you dont think murdering a landlord's son Is good enough reason to be evicted?But then again you just confirm im talking to a fool pretending to have some sense
>>524641460>spend a bit of time getting into the subjectI've been in this thread for like 2 hours now on top of being raised evangelist, how much time is necessary before I learn the answer to why god decided to kill a bunch of children he created, and specifically nudged the situation so that would happen
>>524640853>>you did it one time to me*YouAnd, yeah, retard. Most people aren't petty enough to try it even once, because that shit is desperate. Don't cry about turnabout, you faggot.If you don't like it, and think it looks childish, then internalize something: you were willing to cross that line and set that as a standard for discourse.Stop being bitchmade.>I never said Santa*Satan(?)Also, I'd like to evoke >>524639408, which you didn't give an argument to, instead calling anon retarded (which is rich given how much you want to whine about "pettiness," you hypocritical retard).You assume your questioning is self-justified by virtue of it being possible. To do that assumes there's no faults with your questions. Again, the presentation betrays its intent.>like I said, shitty pettiness and christians when God is questioned, they go hand in hand*Like I said, shitty pettiness and Christians, when God is questioned, go hand in hand.>>524640857>Tranny tries to shameYou will never pass.
>>524633364reminder that the pharisee-driven council of nicea made up such idiot things to believe such as >God must fuck your mom in order for you to have spiritual powers>this means that you, little plebe, cannot ever have them, so dont you ever even try it>its le debil if you try it
>>524641577>Most people aren't petty enough to try it even once>continually refuses to acknowledge my post did not mean what he's pettily interpretingyou went there first here, buddy
>>524641249 Hmm... You are hiding behind Jewish metaphors to justify a faith that you have stripped of its actual history and context.In addition, You are proving my point by spamming those verses.Every single verse you quoted from Moses serpent to Isaiah’s prophecy is a product of the very culture you are trying to distance yourself from. If that nation is truly discarded and cursed then their prophets are liars and their symbols are void lol You can't call the tree rotten while claiming its bark is your only medicine lol
>>524641641>>continually refuses to acknowledge my post did not mean what he's pettily interpreting>>Also, I'd like to evoke >>524639408 #, which you didn't give an argument to, instead calling anon retarded (which is rich given how much you want to whine about "pettiness," you hypocritical retard).You assume your questioning is self-justified by virtue of it being possible. To do that assumes there's no faults with your questions. Again, the presentation betrays its intent.Why you lying?
>>524641574there are explicit verses taking about this very thing anon. if you can't be bothered to do some basic research im not going to do it for you.....theres a point that it becomes obvious the person is more interested in an argument than learning anything, like with the korean.
>>524641460>is there anything in that word which even implies God didn't know,This is going to get really circular Then why he do that? People do things they regret because they don't know the outcome and when they find out the outcome is something they don't want that's called. So why would he do something he would regret?>i certainly regret having to kill my chickens....even though i bought and raised them for that express purposeOh, you might just be stupid
>>524641816Missed a couple words, whatever
>>524641551You are not smart for pointing out the eviction. If it was the plan, then your landlord God is a psychopath who set up his own son to get killed just so he could find a reason to evict the people he was tired of.You are just admitting that your entire religion is built on a landlord who rigs his own legal system to replace his tenants lol
>>524633364Jesus came to fulfill the law of moses, which requires you to look at the entire situation from a legal standpoint. he had to satisfy all of the old testament prophecies about the mesiah, which there are many. part of that was being born as a son of man (he is referred to as this multiple times) but still be a son of God. Paul talks about the lottery (it is not translated properly) which explains the randomness of how God (fairly) chooses those for honor or dishonor, good or evil. We are men so we won't ever really understand the why at this time, but we do have clues if you do read the scriptures without forcing modern doctrine/dogma onto it
>>524640599But he did. In fact, Abraham and Christ met.
>>524633945Once a ball is thrown and it is airborne, it must then play out its trajectory. Time cannot be rewound and reversed to the time before the ball was thrown.Human beings have free will, given by God. True free will. So, killing them made sense. Especially in the times of the Old Testament, when the world was a literally whole different place.
>>524639710>let's angels rape rampantly versus newly made humans the spiritual equivalent of infantsLMAO
>>524640694>If the entire Old Testament is just a record of God cursing a specific racePeople, not race.There was no Hebrew DNA or racial type.
>>524640100>wastes time not sending Christ firstHaving a bad day sweetie?
>>524640705The other way around, according to Kings and Chronicles.
>>524639408>>524641806>You assume your questioning is self-justified by virtue of it being possible.why didn't he make it impossible, if it was wrong?>To do that assumes there's no faults with your questions.why are questions inherently "bad"?>>524641810>there are explicit verses taking about this very thing anon.I'm trying to figure out why it makes sense to anyone elsefrom what I can see over continually asking it, it doesn't
>>524640758>and God doesn't know what anyone will choose? God knows all possible outcomes but doesn't know which particular one we will choose. That's what it means to be "made in the image of God".
>>524641909You sound like a raging faggot (gilded ignoramos), no wonder everyone stopped replying at your shitty posts my man.Empty vessels make the most noise
>>524641367Nice try adolf but the New Testament explicitly calls Jesus the Lion of the tribe of Judah.You are trying to invent a fictional Israel that fits your European aesthetic because you cannot handle the fact that your spiritual lifeblood flows from an Middle Eastern ethnic group you dislike lolYou are an outsider trying to explain the family tree to the people who actually own it
>>524641577Damn that's crazy, why do you let trannies fuck you?
>>524641977>Human beings have free will, given by God. True free will.>So, killing them made sense.but God removed pharoh's "free will" by "hardening his heart" against doing what god wanted him to dothen punished the firstborn egyptian children for pharoh not doing what god made pharoh not doare you not seeing the insanity herehe wanted to kill children and manipulated the situation so that he could
>>524641816>why would he do something he would regret?because the process and the outcome are what He wanted, even though that outcome caused Him pain to get there. >stupid. no doubt, but not because i dont like having to kill my chickens. i dont know any decent human being who feels no regret at the necessity of killing and butchering nice animals if they want to eat certain things, things which i happen to think are required for growing kids.
>>524633364God cannot enter his own universe. So he needed an avatar.No human ever could hold the Holy Spirit, a.k.a. God' s very own soul. So he carefully looked for humans and made them breed until ONE HUMAN would be born that GENETICALLY could hold all of the Holy Spirit inside his body.That carefully selected and bred human was Jesus.
>>524642235>because the process and the outcome are what He wanted>>524642223>he wanted to kill children and manipulated the situation so that he could
>>524642097>why didn't he make it impossible, if it was wrong?Now we're back at >>524639391.>why are questions inherently "bad"?Questions aren't "inherently" bad. (You)'re just retarded and try to use them to presume to a self-gratifying conclusion.Again, (you) betray (you)r intent early.
>>524641208>Ravage was the Rabbi of the Rotheschilds and that's why we should trust him at his word and do exactly as he says
>>524642157You are not leaving because I am noisy. You are leaving because you ran out of verses to twist and your ego cannot handle being a theological afterthought LMAO Go back to your coping corner and keep convincing yourself that you are the main character of someone else's ethnic history lol I WON
Mary's parents were infertile so God immaculately conceived her without sin. No one else was suitable.
>>524642208Nobody wants you freaks.
>>524642323>The implication here is that you don't think yourself infallible.but I am explicitly stating I do not, and that was not part of my statementnow you ignore this statement again, to recursively use this dismissal excuse
>>524633364Murdoch MurdochMurdoch MurdochMurdoch Murdoch>Biggie Smalls Biggie Smalls Biggie SmallsSaying prayers to Cracky Chan. ROLLING
>>524633364the Son of God became fully human so that He could redeem fallen humanity and bring them into fellowship with Holy God. If Jesus Christ was not humam, His life, death and resurrection would not mean life from the dead for mankind enslaved to sin and death.
>>524641494> Before Abraham was, I amAlso, Abraham and Christ met in Abraham's time.As for "guiding the nations" - the question of a political literal Kingdom of God is one of the central questions of the Old and New Testaments. The final conclusion is that it is impossible.
>>524642418You're imagining non-existent trannies again because you're a faggot, what's wrong with you? Fatherless behavior
>>524642421>but I am explicitly stating I do notYes, that is why I said "the implication." As-in your statement does not explicitly say that, but asserts it as a logical complement. Please learn what words mean you retard.
>>524641574God doesn't create children. You need peepee into peepee for that.
>>524642537>You're imagining non-existent trannies(You)'re here.
>>524642042You want a generic God so you do not have to feel like a guest at someone else's table. Call it a race or a people it does not matter because you were not part of either until you crawled in through the back door and called it grace lol
>>524642097>why didn't he make it impossible, if it was wrong?its not wrong, but the conclusions of a corrupt thought process might be>why are questions inherently "bad"?who said they are?>from what I can see over continually asking it, it doesn'tits just something im going to get into with you, since its clear you dont care enough to do the most basic looking of things up>>524642153thats a particular theological position and one i really dont think the Bible supports. i know its popular in some circles. >>524642307what outcome do you think im referring to? im talking about the ultimate outcome, not passing events. You have to keep in mind that Christians believe we're dealing with the infinite creator of all things, and that things we dont necessarily understand are intended by Him to have a desired ultimate outcome. We trust that this is the case because we trust Him.that is the very definition of faith
>>524642372>I WON
>>524639845>branch before trunkRetard
>>524642707Just start reporting that faggot for avatarfagging.
>>524642742what? can you be more clear or would you rather just throw silly names around?
>>524642042Objectively wrong. John Hyrancus duh last True Israelite per WE WUZ is peak semite skull
>>524642555>your statement does not explicitly say that, but I'm insisting it's part of your statement anyway, because I'm grasping>this ISN'T you being a petty bitch in out exchange from the get go, how DARE you start picking at me using the wrong words>>524642567>You need peepee into peepeeuh>>524642661>a corrupt thought process>if you think anything jews did are wrong you're "antisemitic"hmmmmmmmmmmand this is not a jewish god, people say>>524642661>im talking about the ultimate outcome, not passing events.>there was literally no other way it could have gone there, god had to kill children to get it where he wanted it to gook, so, what if he just didn't harden pharoh's heart, and pharoh let the egyptians go without all the firstborn in egypt getting murdered, could there still be a second coming of Jesus? why not?
>>524642157>Mexican chimp defeated logically >chimps outYou deserve all the beheadings
>>524642873For someone who wants to whine a lot about people "inventing" words (that you later validate), you sure are quick to type out entire conversations to avoid having to address anything being said.
>>524641530Well? claiming that the rules just changed when Jesus arrived does not answer why your God ignored and invalidated billions of souls in East Asia or Mesoamerica for millennia while he was obsessing over a tiny desert tribe. Your God did not have a plan for everyone. He had a favorite group and only started recruiting outsiders when the original contract went south.In short, a discriminatory and evil Jewish God lol
>>524642959>people "inventing" words (that you later validate)?
>>524642372You're an idiot and your attempts at "gotcha" replies contradict each other.
>>524643064Maybe koreans aré the kikes of the east
>>524642873>hmmmmmmmmmm>and this is not a jewish god, people saywere did i say jews did nothing wrong? you're seeing things.> so, what if he just didn't harden pharoh's heart, and im really not able to accurately tell you every reason that God had to do everything he's done. But the Bible does tell us a bit about this kind of thing. You still dont want to start looking into it because you want to take pot shots, invent things i never said, and present gottchas instead. thats why im not going to get into it with you.
>>524643029You said in >>524640025 I had to "invent" meanings, then in >>524642097 used the "invented" meaning.You're a hypocrite with a bad memory.
>>524638943>No, they don't, they're both through JosephWrong. Try reading the book.
>>524642223" Hardening his heart ".To draw a comparison, haven't you ever had a thought or opinion that you then changed, after receiving more complete data?For example, I want to let my son run around screaming his head off until 10 pm, all hopped up on chocolate, because this would be fun for him and make him very happy.But upon further consideration, I must harden my heart, and teach him to behave appropriately, not only eat candy, and have an appropriate bedtime.I must harden my heart to be able to take his crying and tantrums, telling me he HATES me. So that I may do what is best for him, and everyone else in the household, and his greater well being when he grows into a man.Hardening his heart isn't code for a brain washing. It meant to get the information needed to come to the most useful conclusion and to be able to do what was best.
>>524642619The Hebrews attempted to build a political literal Kingdom of God and failed.That's not a "table", it's an apocalyptic wreck that Christ came to fix.
>>524633364mary a jewish women, married josef a jewish male.in order to fullfill the marriage they must have first time sex. so josef went out of town to earn money for the wedding. marry went to bazar to buy groceries. she was encontered by 3 roman soldiers since israel was occupied by romans. then 3 soldiers picked up her and gave her some wine, mader her drunk and raped her.she became pregnant by one of the soldiers called Pantera which was a german slave soldier rome used to kidnap. she didnt know what sex is and was to drunk to realise and said the kid is from heaven. josef knew what happened and didnt want her to be stoned to death because aduletry was capital punishment.then jesus was born, looking blond, blue eyed and the rest you know urself. all the miracles etc since he was of high priest bloodline.
>>524642661>thats a particular theological position and one i really dont think the Bible supports. i know its popular in some circles.It's literally the only theological position possible in Christianity, dumbfuck.
>>524638943Joseph is of Solomon, Mary of Nathan. Joseph has no direct claim to the throne because of the curse on Jeconiah. Doesnt apply to Mary. But she can inherit as granted to the daughters of Zelophehad by Moses.
>>524643064>>524642707The topycal white flag of the defeated lol You are not leaving because you won the argument. You are leaving because you realized your theology is just a collection of cope and word games that fell apart the moment it was challenged. If I am an idiot then you just spent your entire day getting absolutely wrecked by one. That makes you the ultimate loser in this thread lol Run away loser lol Everyone here knows that you simply ran out of excuses for your tribal desert deity HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>524642844Hebrew != semite.There is no Hebrew racial type, they were just generic semites no different in DNA, language or culture from all the other semites.
>>524639972>I think I've read this beforeNo. You didnt.
>>524643133the east already has kikes to spare>>524643159>were did i say jews did nothing wrong?you're implying god did nothing wrong, and to think he did is the result of "a corrupted thought process">see: the biblethe bible has no answers for it>>524643184>then in >>524642097 (You) used the "invented" meaning.?you're just tying knots with words nowyou said I said Lucifer and I were infalliblethat is not what I said>>524643199>Hardening his heart isn't code for a brain washing. It meant to get the information needed to come to the most useful conclusion and to be able to do what was best.so what was best was "killing every firstborn non-jewish child in egypt"?
When human mammals tell you anything, literally anything at all, it's lies, exaggeration, angling for power, and duping, etc. A Creator seems absolute to me. I do not need to see or hear anything about it through the filter of others, their tales, their legends, their lies. Was not difficult at all in the age of having a donkey is extraordinary to spin tales to widen the eyes of the starving and make them believe. Believe anything you want. I believe mine. Best of luck.
>>524642970I think you are disingenuous and possibly too low iq OR just low information to engage with you on this, any further. Hopefully someone else has the patience for you, because you would do well to receive the information that you are looking for.
>>524643315very far from the truth. God knows the beginning from the end. How can He know the end if He doesn't know the in between bits? If you want to believe in a God that gets surprised by things and then tries ways to fix problems but really doesn't know if thats going to work and so on, then thats up to you, but its not the God of the Bible.
>>524643218LMAO You are so desperate to distance yourself from the Jews that you are accidentally calling your own Savior a janitor for a failed project. If the Hebrew kingdom was just an apocalyptic wreck then your Christ is not a King but a salvage diver picking through garbage. wHY? You cannot claim Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets while simultaneously arguing that the Law and the Prophets were a total disaster. If the foundation is a wreck then the house you built on top of it is structurally unsound and fake lol
>>524643357Why do trannies believe the world revolves around them? Nobody Is even paying attention to your posts, they aré not even worth the read, why would anyone waste catexis on a faggot like you that Is clearly just fluent in bullshit.
>>524642042>There was no Hebrew DNA or racial type.Wrong. Tight genetics- Abraham married his half-sister. Then his son marries his second cousin. Therefore Israel (Jacob) and all descendants share 2/4 to 2/5 of the same genome.
>>524643423>you said I said Lucifer and I were infallible>that is not what I saidThat's not what I said either you lying faggot. I said that you presumed you were infallible, because you presume your questions self-justified by nature.Stop lying
>>524643745>I said that you presumed you were infallible, because you presume your questions self-justified by nature.>if you think you get to ask this question you're assuming you're infalliblethis is just completely retarded, you're just an somewhat elevated idiot fishing for cheap gotchas instead of (You)s
>>524643423Yes. This world is in fact, a very brutal place. Full of death. You just don't understand such concepts because you are happy and comfy and warm, and you have been shielded and protected from the harsh realities of this existence, in this frame of time.
>>524643866>Petty namecalling instead of answering an accusation that his argument is self-defeating instead of self-justifying
>>524643895>This world is in fact, a very brutal place. Full of death.>designed and created by a being that supposedly has both omniscience and omnipotencehmmmmmm>>524643923>*continues to dance around like a faggot*(You)
>>524644009>>*continues to dance around like a faggot*Don't even post if you're just going to mald, otherwise you are just an example for us to laugh at and avoid, but in a religious and secular sense.
>>524644009God is not corrupt. The opposite of corruption, is God. There are rules and laws to abide by. If those rules and laws were not followed perfectly, the world would not be recognizable. Omniscience and omnipotence is not antithetic to keeping this world in the order it must be kept in, by God, for reasons that you are not able, at this point, to comprehend.
>>524644271>>Petty namecalling instead of answering an accusation that his argument is self-defeating instead of self-justifyingyou couldn't explain what this meant in any way that made any sense if you tried, because it makes noneretardyou're just spinning words around hoping people get dizzynow vaguely imply there's some point I'm too dumb to understand or something>>524644385>for reasons that you are not able, at this point, to comprehend.>t. does not comprehend them either, or he would state them, is simply working on "faith" God is not corrupt'k
>>524644513>you couldn't explain what this meant in any way that made any senseIt's 100% not my problem if you're too stupid to see a point I've spelled out for you several times, although since we're page 10'ing, I would like to point out the irony in you not understanding such a basic argument as proof that your "questioning" isn't inherently justified, on account of you demonstrating that the skeptic can, in fact, be retarded.See >>524642323>you're just spinning words around hoping people get dizzyLol I caught you trying to argue in a circle earlier.>now vaguely imply there's some point I'm too dumb to understand or somethingNo, I will be explicit on this one.You are retarded and can't see the problem with your own arguments, alm while trying to argue the self-justifying nature of "questions" [from bad faith stances].
>>524643620Read what I wrote again. Either you're illiterate or your IQ is room temperature.
>>524643658>If the Hebrew kingdomWhich one, dumbfuck?
>>524645150yes, i did manage to read you bald statement of opinion. I'll stick to what the Bible says on the matter though.
