Fertility rates will continue to decline in almost all countries and territories up to the year 2100 https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/2005972142635069818The regions with the highest birth rates on the planet ignore 18 adulthood age theory & have high levels of child labor & teen marriage. Use the common sense of your ancient conservative ancestors that defined puberty as adulthood, child labor is the natural profit motive that comes from children. Adam Smith in the Wealth of Nations talks about the profitability of children from the perspective of parents, so when you ban child labor, you make children unprofitable. Banning Teen Marriage also lowers the birth rate as you have to take into account the female biological clock, which is more scientifically significant than silly grooming narratives. All the attacks on teenagers are made using the strawman of comparing 25 year olds to teenagers, but 25 is the human peak physiological age, post-25 humans break down on a cellular level. Post-25 Humans should get their rights stripped going by this logic, especially the older you get, 16 year olds have vastly superior to physiological faculties to 70 year olds.Finally, but what about >muh 15 year old hookers if you lower the adulthood ageYes, just charge those 15 year old hookers as adults, as was the case in the 1800s & most of history in general.Humans have the same reproductive pattern as wild animals in captivity, not domesticated animals. Wild Animals in captivity will have lower birth rates as Wild Animals prefer dangerous natural environments. Humans are wild animals & want to live in dangerous environments, hence the lower birth rates! 18 adulthood age theory is an unnecessary safety measure that doesn't exist in nature. By default, without the existence of a formal age of majority, you're considered a contractually liable adult at 13-15 based on secondary sexual characterics alone a la the Animal Kingdom (see Ancient Egyptian/Babylonian Law).
>>524636785Somebody has to breed and raise the next generation of goyim cattle. Most normies will happily step up to the plate and wage their life away for a chance to reproduce. I'm just glad that's not me.
i don't think this inclination is universal
>>524636959>Humans are wild animals & want to live in dangerous environments,i don't think this inclination is universal
The declining birth rate is good. The high mortality rate and declining population due to the black plague increased the buying power of the middle class and allowed the middle class to become artisans and specialist as everyone wasnt fighting for scraps this kicked off the Industrial Revolution. That’s why the billionaires are so worried, if labor has value again they will have to pay for it. Also we have enough Indians. An even better side effect is 70% of white women reproducing have far right sympathies. Liberals are literally removing themselves from the genetic population and their death cult is forming a filter.
>>524636889Okay kike, yes bro let the indians and niggers breed an infinium and do nothing.
>>524636982>i don't think this inclination is universalLivestock (Domesticated Animals) reproduce on Command. Humans reproduce like Wild Animals & will only reproduce out of instinct. When you suppress a human or a wild animal's instinct, their birth rate accordingly will go down.The idea that you can play abracdabra magical age game & brainwash 15 year olds into thinking they are children & ban them from reproduction only to think you can force 22 year olds into reproducing is a silly farce of a game.
>>524637041>Liberals are literally removing themselves from the genetic population and their death cult is forming a filter.Incorrect, right-wing liberals are also liberals, right-wing liberalism can't exist without left-wing liberalism. Had the American Revolutionaries not set Louis XVI up, neither the French nor American Revolutions take place. Jacobin/Socialist ideology & Classical Liberal ideology are all part of the same 'all men are created equal' paradigm. One ideology can't exist without the other, otherwise you will just get a total collapse of liberalism. The submission to the Western Deep State you saw in the Cold War was purely caused by the specter of Communism. Communists assumed power using brute military power and as Mao Tse-Tung said, political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. After the Conservatives funded the Islamists against the Communists, they lost all of their bad cop leverage. Islamists don't behave like cops at all, they just behave like uncontrollable savages.
>>524636785nigger it's population densityhumans can manage just over a hundred humans being near them, more than that and they don't breed as muchthat's itthe earth might be able to support 20 billion but human drives won't multiply us that far without more living space
>>524637181and for the historically inclined pedosuntil a hundred or so years ago the average age of menarche was 17
>>524637663Aisha had her menarche when she was 9.
>>524637879according to faither scholars trying to wedge a scarred bandit woman into prophecies of a merchant's daughter gifted with visions of gabriel
>>524638113His empire destroyed Persia & Byzantium! The Winners of War write history!
>>524636785>X thread
>>524636785>up to the year 2100and then what? no more room for fertility to decline even farther? zero births? or a reversal of the trend? if so what do they anticipate will reverse the trend and why can't we just do that now?
>>524637879how does a singular exception disprove a general trend? he's right about the average age of menarche, its in all the stats from centuries ago and there were nations even then keeping records of such things.
>>524638868>Implying Elon didn't turn Twitter into 4chan thus making the 2 sites synonymous anyway
Banning child labor has also had the effect of churning out entitled kids who believe their parents owe them the world, instead of viewing the family as a cohesive unit that everyone contributes to.
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>>524636785DebunkedIt will continue to grow in Africa and India and by some in scary proportions that will either lead to genocide or mass migration unlike anything seen today
>>524638834i mean y'say winner buuuutdidn't medina and the other 'heathen' cities he raided outlive mohammad's little troupe?is more like mythic cope than history
>>524642190same with the jews and that whole egyptian slavery thingpure copelike fuck would the dynastic egyptians let filthy slaves anywhere near a gran public works project like the pyramidsand the tax records show that no legal slave activity ever occurred on that side of the riverthe religionists made it all up
>>524636889How dare you use that memeflag you anti-white faggot
>>524636785How is this not goodThe world is overpopulated, let's get those numbers down
The fact billionaires are concerned about this illustrates they don't believe their own bullshit about an ai automated future. If that were the case, the effort would be to further reduce fertility rates.
>>524643033why?
>>524644017>why?Their productivity wouldn't be affected by not having human workers. The fact they are panicking over the birth rate shows they expect total reliance on workers still to fulfill the demand of the aging populations.
>>524636785Male only society with artificial wombs and sexbots are the only solution. REPLACE FEMALES NOW! INCEL PRIDE WORLDWIDE! GAS THE GYNOS SEX WAR NOW!
>>524636889That's why Indians and muslims are being used as literal goy cattle because they can be deported and killed in mass and nobody will care. Blacks become relevant as soon as they enter the US, so too risky for a revolt.
>>524642170African and Indian birth rates are already collapsing. Compare their birth rates to 30 years ago. Total crash.
>>524636785we already know this because fertility rates are just a proxy for feminism. >forecasting model lol that's not science. modern science is such a joke, there is no verifying anymore. during covid there were projections made every week, yet the following week no one verified that the previous projections were accurate. that 2 weeks to flatten the curve meme, where is the data that showed what really happened? where is the data that showed one forecasting model was better than another from a different university?
Women’s rights will be taken away and we will make them our personal breeding slaves if this keeps going
>>524636785Kids have energy. Adolescence is the end of childhood. Get your young ass out there and earn.
The motivation has shifted entirely. middle class and above with higher fertility rate are concerned with long term centuries thinking and genetic determinism. Modern society is a selection event which began with the industrial revolution. Not unlike the same genetic bottleneck that occurred with the advent of agriculture. This is also divorcing the profit/religious/emotional attachment to reproduction into an adversarial one. The lowest of the normies with this thought structure will bring up something like idiocracy, while in the upper echelon you're looking at ethnic nationalism. We should expect race wars within a generation or two as the only people of fighting age left were only born out of this mentality. Overall just a theory of mine, interested to see what other gooner retard neet like myself think.
>>524644413>>forecasting modelEvery single academic in math or stats will tell you this. The quote that "all models are wrong, some are useful", but the rest of academia seems to be under the impression that anything with numbers is a 2nd place absolute truth behind racism.
>>524644151Elon cofounded openai & then he founded grok after the fact. He's the one who did the analysis?
>>524644691I think the future of reproduction will be automated entirely. I was only half joking when I said replace women. Women will eventually be replaced as their biological role as a baby incubator and sex dispenser will be filled by artificial methods developed this century. I don't forsee gynocentric society being able to contain the obvious incentives to move towards this tech. Artificial wombs and gene editing will make most conversations we have about race obsolete. Males, particularly those with no emotional attachments to the female side of the species beyond their dead and dying mothers and female family members, will have zero issues jumping to the new model.The future is increasingly looking bleak for females unless they immediately change their behaviors and incentive males to keep them around. Females are helpless without males, and this is bore out by their traditional roles that they seek to deny now. Males will continue on without them and will be better off for it.
>>524636785>The regions with the highest birth rates on the planet ignore 18 adulthood age theory & have high levels of child labor & teen marriage.So subhumans
>>524642365The Proto-Sinaitic script was developed by Semitic Laborers working in Egypt.
>>524636785Wonder why that is...?
>>524642170> It will continue to grow in AfricaUntil the gibs stop. Then billions will starve.
>>524643033robots cannot take out new loans. The debt based monetary system will implode without more people.
>>524636785Almost all - except the orthodox jews in Israel and the US. Seriously.
>>524639184>and then what?Planet of the Apes
>>524639184They usually don't predict past 2100, in fact it's gonna get even worse for feminist countries. Women's rights will start getting reverted sooner or later but by then we'll be too old to care or dead.
>>524642365Theres some really interesting stuff that I admit I am still too ignorant to evaluate or understand, which states that the jews stole or adapted their history from other peoples, a sort of build-a-bear approach, to construct the sort of ideal society that Plato talked about. This is argued (just googled) by russell gmirkin and others that the jews' "history" and their laws are strikingly similar to what Plato discusses in Laws and Timaeus.So yeah, they werent slaves in Egypt, just like there werent 6m and there werent 40 beheaded babies, what else is new.
>>524636785DNA is brought to a lifeless Earth.Life forms and evolves.An intelligent species evolves.The species is all about building better tools and more complex machines.Electronics and a world wide net are developed.Birthrates begin to drop.AI is created.The decline of birthrates increases.AI becomes sentient.There are only 500 million humans left.Sapient machines take over the world.Humanity goes extinct.The machines begin to fire pods with DNA into space.
>>524636889Fpbp, imagine bringing up a kid in this world, the horror... the horror...
>>524637133>do nothingI did my part desu. 3 white kids, same mama.
>>524644156THIS
>>524636785>low fertility realityAlso a low relationship reality
>>524636785All this text and you couldn't find the most significant factor in fertility rates. You talk about Adam Smith and profitability, yet are completely oblivious to the fact that the productive output of the next generation has already been redistributed. Please take a minute to study these figures, paying special attention to unfunded liabilities which are manu times higher for the unborn because old people won't be paying any of ithttps://usdebtclock.org/Absolutely clueless OP
>>524639184Read about what happens at the end of the Rat Utopia experiment. Once the generations get smaller and smaller there’s no reversing out of the situation. Women are only fertile for like 20 years and only 15 of them are legally allowed.We will face extinction
>>524651036Dumb analogy. Rats don't take care of their elderly
>>524651036>We will face extinctionGood the human race is gay foid bullshit at this point
>>524651195How do you fix it?
>>524651172So it's even worse for humans?
>>524652140Who cares?
>>524652151Why even compare the two?We have had predictive fertility models FOR HUMANS FOR DECADES! No reason to invoke fucking rats or ameobea for that matter
>>524652140Somehow use AI to oppress women? Just spitballin ideas here
>>524652317I guess, but I kind of agree with the similarity of outcome. The fertility rate is low now first of all because there's a lot more to do than ever. Why work 40+ hours a week and take care of a screaming, shitting toddler when I can read, play games, listen to music, etc. Sex and reproduction is for poor retards throughout history and today's third world. I unironically expect a complete demographic collapse in the entire world (and that's a good thing.
>>524651001explain zimbabwe's hyperinflation
>>524652580You don't understand fertility, either. Absolutely clueless
>>524652694>thinks there is only one factorYou could have said that and it would be a good argument, but you more than likely thing there's a magic reason and judging by your first post, it's national debt?? I'm not saying that's not a part of the puzzle, but it's not the whole picture.
>>524637663It was always 12-13, you lying roast or simp, I don't really care what you are.
The human population will decline until it reaches a stable equilibrium
>>524637663>until a hundred or so years ago the average age of menarche was 17Y-you... don't actually believe this, do you bong? Goodness gracious.
>>524652140Extinction is the only solution.
>>524652834Take the graph I posted which clearly demonstrates a predictive model and reverse image search it. You can actually create a predictive fertility model with only two factors: the % of the population that attends a religious ceremony on a weekly basis and how generous the social safety net is. It isn't equal, however, but weighted. Also, economics drives culture not the other way around, so the cultural factor, even as a minor factor, only imports the economic factors of times past and will die out (as they are). People had children to take care of them in old age and for the children to have a prosperous future for themselves. Social security took care of the first and unfunded liabilities the second (no, this is not the financial debt). Of course, if you understood the graph and really were interested in this subject you would have Google lensed it by now.
>>524653249>People had children to take care of them in old ageThe fuck they did. People barely lived past 60 until recently and there's no sense in enslaving yourself for the prospect of marriage and reproduction just to have it a little easier in your final years. People most certainly didn't have children for this purpose.>and for the children to have a prosperous future for themselves.and if the children had a prosperous future for themselves.*Which again isn't really true if you go back in time. Our living standards are far better and it does not correlate with fertility.You can believe whatever you're saying, or you can stop looking for meagre evidence of what you want to believe in.
>>524653536It's not a belief. The graph demonstrates a predictive model. Graphs like this are powerful for those who can comprehend them, but mindless drooling idiots will just come up with whatever narrative suits them and ignore the facts.
>>524639361Wow this actually happened! I thought bong was straight up lying. Well, what he says was actually the exception anyway.>>524653689>the numbers are out there guise! you just gotta do the math!Nah your theory is shit.
>>524653689>a predictive model.Correlation does not equal causation. Beware the cargo cult.
>>524637663So not only was the average menarche at 17 during the industrial revolution, but they historically married and fucked them anyway. So much about your argument.
>>524653922QED
>>524653995Sure, but at the same time nobody else has a predictive model, do they?Again, none of you care about what actually drives fertility. You're only interested in confirming your biases
>>524654133Pretty sure modern women being artificially empowered cunt bags has an impact on fertility
>>524654314>I'm so sure about this I'm not going to look for any evidence
>>524653922huh, interesting
>>524652694You didn't explain Zimbabwe's hyperinflation crisis & how it contradicts your theory regarding the birth rate.
>>524654133>You're only interested in confirming your biasesYou're jumping to conclusions. I have not concluded anything, but if you mention religion and social safety and not other obvious hypotheses, like fear mongering, diet and hypergamy, then you are suspected to be using "science" to fit your narrative, rather than using science to explore all possible hypotheses. After the pandemic, climate change and such propaganda you can't expect anyone to take "science" at face value anymore.
>>524645957I agree with your first part of the conclusion, but not the latter. Automation of reproduction is likely (if we don't just fall under the mass of immigration and dysfunction), but women have higher social value than men regardless of their fertility. That part reads like cope. You will always be a second-class citizen, ready to be drafted to defend the rich and their harems.
>>524654864You don't need any of those things to make a predictive model. You can chase your tail all you want, but we already know the important factors and have done for decades
>>524654984So where can I find the scientific papers that rule out correlation between, for example, seed oil consumption and fertility rate? Media consumption and fertility rate? Feminist beliefs and fertility rate? It would be easy to plot such graphs, no?
>>524655318It's all about the pension system, goy! Don't look elsewhere.
>>524655318The fertility rate is primarily driven by the decision to have children. Again, you're wasting time over trivialities
>>524655504And the decision is primarily driven by unfunded liabilities. Right.
>>524652140We can't.
>>524655565The decision to make bread is highly influenced if most of your bread is going to be confiscated, yes. It's called socialization of benefits, and the result of which is always the same regardless what is being produced. You're fighting with reality
>>524655693Hardly anyone thinks about children this way. It's the first time I've ever heard of it. And wouldn't you want to contribute to the growing mass of taxpayers if you're worried about your benefits? Wasn't that one of your original arguments? "Fuck the kids, this is about me!"
turns out somalia has the highest fertility rate iin the world, im guessing that explains the daycares with all the kids they have
>>524655857Nobody thinks they are paying for their own benefits, or if they do, they're fools. What actually happens is everyone votes for the politician who makes the biggest promises. Of course, they cannot fulfil such promises. They overpromise what can be delivered. This is the unfunded liability - a promise that there are no present funds for. These funds will come from the next generation.The manner in which this affects behavior is subtle and usually unconscious. Every choice involves tradeoffs and economics can help elucidate such tradeoffs, but people aren't rational actors in the self-aware sense. They do, however, always weigh what they perceive to be the risks and rewards for their actions, whether they be thought out or rash. Child rearing is very time consuming and a long term commitment. It is the principle concern in any relationship especially for women. Also, what most people don't understand (because they don't know a lick of economics) is that the long term prospects of any endeavor are largely already baked into the pricing structure. That means the costs and benefits both short and long term are baked into the current costs. Japan's attempt to solve their fertility crisis is a good example of how economic illiteracy is leading to the opposite of the intended result of policy. Instead of understanding the core reasons why fertility is low, they are trying to subsidise child rearing by going further into debt. This will have the opposite of the intended result. The children are being raised to cover the costs of raising children, plus all the other unfunded liabilities on top. It won't work.
>>524655857It's just an extension of the children are too expensive thing which is something I heard quite often
>>524655693>>524656613Your line of reasoning is curiously analogous to antinatalist reasoning, can you reflect on that?
>>524636785If we had a mostly white country with liveable wages and property prices I would reproduce.
>>524656613So people simultaneously do not account for the economics issues and only think about themselves, but aren't being enticed by Japan's government offering to cover the full expenses of childrearing. How come?>>524656880Well that is true anyway. Sure, it's doable, but doable doesn't make it fun. I'd rather just... not work and not marry. Sorry not sorry.
>>524656974I don't see how. It is purely consequential and wertfrei. If you are pro-natalist then this information is useful. For example if Japan wants more Japanese babies they ought to deal with the reasons fertility is low to begin with instead of exacerbating the situation
>>524657106So cutting public spending would do the trick?
>>524657050The subsidy will be paid by their offspring is the reason. There is no enticement or lower costs, only added costs. The only thing that will reverse the trend is to deal with the root problem as that is the only thing that will actually change the calculus.
>>524654385Evidence is all around you, have a look at how dating apps are structured, hiring, HR departments, education, entertainment, laws, it’s over determined
>>524657163It would help. I suppose that is the most peaceful solution. It isn't politically viable, however. Those on the receiving end of those promises made aren't going to like those promises not being kept (which they can't, but they have to keep the illusion alive). The other solution is WW3
>>524649611checked
>>524657208imo most people dont even have the capacity to go that deep into it lol, they just see they're barely making it and it's getting worse = too expensive, probably not even consciously
>>524657237>schizo ravingHave you tried to tie any of that to the actual fertility rate? For example a country which has more of these factors vs a country that has fewer? No? Then STFU
>>524636785The study does not account for the rise of Mecha Hitler and the 4th reich in the 2030s. After which an alliance of the northern Heimisphere will deport all mongos and traitors to india and africa, build a giant wall and begin a mass impregnation campaign in the north, while regularly, prophylactically carpet-nuking the south.
>>524657405They don't have to know economics or finance (two very different things FYI) to be influenced by them.
>>524636959>i don't think this inclination is universalhttps://ourworldindata.org/grapher/womens-educational-attainment-vs-fertility
birth rates won't increase while women are allowed to work
>>524657208>The subsidy will be paid by their offspring is the reason.Do they care? Maybe they do, and I see your point, but I still don't think the average person gives any thought to this.>>524657313But who would be immediately incentivized to have kids? It's still better to save your money and invest instead of paying for a mortgage and children to supposedly wipe your ass or pay bills one day (which they won't), and the retirement age is likely to go to 70 with the average lifespan staying around 75. Retirement isn't a big factor in my mind and I doubt it's in anyone's.
>>524657658There won't be anyone to wipe your ass. You can have all the money in the world and your ass remains unwiped. If you think it isn't a factor you're going to have a very hard time explaining why statistically the generodity of social security is the NUMBER ONE FACTOR IN THE FERTILITY RATE
>>524657822>You can have all the money in the world and your ass remains unwiped.How? Social security IS money. Everything is money. How does my 86 year old barely mobile grandma live by herself without anyone wiping her ass? All she needs is money and she's good.
>>524657106The analogy is that both you and antinatalists model decision-making and value judgements as a result of an expected costs-benefits analysis. Both you and the antinatalists fail to explain why people live life and create life way more than such analysis would predict. You're missing evolution theory in practice: those who are sensitive to stress that lowers fertility rates are already or will be soon removed from the gene pool. On the other hand, there's statistical evidence that poor first generation immigrants reproduce way more than average but after a few generations in the West they have the same low fertility rate as anyone else. Why? Social conditioning by media and education that send a DANGER signal all day everyday that hijacks biology. Debt and pensions and such are mostly perceived not actual threats.
>>524657929You don't know what money is, then.Money is not resources. Money is not labor.Money is used as a bidding tool to divvy up existing resources. Fewer butt wipers means fewer butts ebing wiped. "Money" (whatever you think that is) doesn't solve this.
>>524658055Is it danger or is it hedonism? I'm not afraid, except for a lack of pleasure and freedom.>>524658114So from that perspective, everyone should want children regardless of social security, right?
>>524657646True, so we are going to go extinct without exception as women will never allow themselves to not be slaves ever again. They are too proud to not be slaves to (((work))) now.
>>524658055Actually, the reason is they come from a society where the economic conditions are different. The "conditioning" that occurs which results in 2nd generation immigrants having lower fertility rates is because of the economic conditions they grew up in. They didn't see any benefits to the labour of raising so many kids, so they have fewer of them. What you seem to fail to realize is that the benefits of raising children has been socialized. The benefits are there, but they are not felt by the people who incur the costs. That explains everything in a nutshell if you care to understand it.
>>524658240I'm not saying what people should do. I'm explaining why they do what they do.
>>524658240>a lack of pleasure and freedom.That's a cultural perception and value judgement, isn't it? If you were born raised in a culture that considers raising the next generation as a holy duty you would think differently, I suppose. Besides: surrogate activities. Much of our hedonistic and free pursuits are actually like hunting, providing and caring.
>>524658385And by people you mostly mean women anyway, since most 70+ year olds are female. Realizing this made me understand why you're talking about it. I don't care about retirement because I don't expect to live much longer than the average age of it, but hitting 90 for women is quite a possibility. Are you female perchance? It's such an odd outlook to me and I have to assume something's different about you too.
>>524650146Find more to fill with your aryan seed, it's your duty to save the white race
>>524658492Yes and no. It's the age of liberalism and people are thinking for themselves by themselves. That's the biggest cultural difference. Liberalism inevitably popularizes hedonism.
>>524636785>''sustained low fertility reality''fucking kek wow such epic le science!!!!!!
>>524658328I think the more likely scenario is that the old farts will start panicking that there aren't young people to wipe their asses so they start mass importing migrants, while the economy will keep nosediving, causing ethnic, religious, ideological etc conflicts to flare up, cause civil wars and wars between countries (look at how much trump is chimping out on venezuela, nigeria, iran etc), then the world will pretty much fracture into the fiefdoms of warlords again, who will not give a shit about feminism or whatever and will just enslave women again, and civilisation can start from that point again
>>524636889all they want are more little zogbots to man the machines and fight their gay wars of conquest and profit while destroying white demographics and making all of us poorer and poorer.
>>524658519I came to my conclusions because I first asked the question "what drives the fertility rate?" and discovered, which should be a surprise to absolutely nobody, that this is a very very old question and this discussion isn't novel in the slightest. The result of such questions in the past has resulted in hundreds if not thousands of theories nearly all of which failed to produce a predictive model of fertility. If I can create a predictive fertility model with as few as two factors, then surely any discussion regarding what affects fertility should start there. It doesn't have to end there, but you can't dismiss the fucking NUMBER ONE FACTOR and pretend to give a shit about fertility. My only conclusion about people who are dismissive of the actual statistical factors that have been born out of decades of research is they don't care about the actual causes and only care to protect an ideologically driven narrative.
>>524658333The costs of raising kids have been socialized too, especially in the case of poor people and single women who can count on much help of their western government too raise kids.However, in your example of Japanese people you dismiss such measures as ineffective.
Good there's too many peopleespecially in Africa, India, Indonesia, Bangladesh, the Philippines, and China
>>524658834I agree on the first part that low fertility is headed in that direction. I'm skeptical about the rebuilding civilization part.
>>524658892Yes, because Japan has a heterogenous society where everyone feels the burden while blacks in this country never pay the cost they inflict
>>524658863Do you agree that it's what affects women in particular rather than men? I've seen anons (presumable male) here talk about having someone to care for you in old age, but I see far more of them saying they'd rather kill themselves than be burdens to their children. Is it women making this factor relevant?
>>524652193>I'm straightNo your not
>>524637410> Had the American Revolutionaries not set Louis XVI upwtf?that's a new way to lie about JEWS in Europe fomenting a color revolution that was anti-Christian at its core and the root of Marxist/Communist bullshit.>Jacobin/Socialist ideology & Classical Liberal ideology are all part of the same 'all men are created equal' paradigmoh fuck off with your shitty attempt to conflate a kike created lie with a simple understanding that God values all of our souls equally. you dumb fuck. Collectivism is the idea that humans can be perfected with Pharisaic Laws. not created equal, but molded into equals.holy fuck you are dumbalso, there was no such thing as "left wing liberalism" until Roosevelt hijacked the word Liberal for his Marxist New Deal
>>524658936this cycle has happened time and time again through history, warlords rule their own regions -> they fight to figure out who's the big dog -> empire gets established -> golden age for a few centuries -> moral decline, hedonism, women gaining influence, low fertility, migration -> empire collapses -> wawrlords rule their own regions againsparta, rome, han dynasty, qing dynasty, persian empire, etc, humanity will recover, there won't be a point when you don't have a 1000 fertile women left, and that'll quickly turn into 10k in a decade, then a million in a century, and after 2 centuries you have an empire again
>>524659170That would be dope, but I'm not and cannot be.
>>524659237picrel>>524659238Gay that is.
>>524659092There are conflating factors here:1) Women are more concerned about the costs of child rearing2) Women are more concerned about being taken care of in general. They have neurotic personality type, more often. The fact that women don't feel like they need men because the government exists affects both and in the same direction fertility-wise. A social safety net, largely paid for by men, has replaced the trade of what a woman offers to a man and visa versa. Also, the benefits of being taken care of in old age by children has also been supplanted by men paying taxes. So, yes.
>>524659237The cycle usually occurs not by a society rebuilding itself but being supplanted by another. So no, I don't agree with your analysis
The working class are just choosing not to have children. They dont want to bare the cost. Nothing will change this. Middle class (real, not pretenders) still have children.
>>524659474*bearWorking class have traditionally had more children than other classes.
>>524659364Yeah, I figured. You expanded my horizons, I must admit.
>>524659364Dunno why it didn't upload. Searched long for the image only to get cucked.
>>524659623Married women, BTW, hate government spending because they see their husband's money flying out the door never to return
>>524659304yeah, by the time the spartan empire collapsed 70% of the land was owned by women, and they had the same issues, moral decay, low fertility, migration, they didn't even bother to fight by the end and just surrendered to the roman army>>524659424huh? what "another" is human society gets supplanted by? martians? chimpanzees? dolphins? whatever ideology the new society holds is besides the point, the point is that humanity will rebuild itself, even if it's not the same as it was before the collapse, and in china's or japan's case that isn't even really true, china's and japan's empires collapsed into chinese and japanese warlords, who then established chinese and japanese empires again, whether the collapsed culture gets supplanted or not just depends on circumstances but otherwise the cycle is the same
>>524659558And now they choose not to.
>>524636785This makes me think the opposite will happen
>>524659736Makes sense. They're not getting pensions if they're SAHM's, so they have a reverse opinion on social benefits.
>>524659737It won't really, though. I can't stand pendulum theory. It's lazy and very often wrong. When muslims supplant Christians do you really expect civilization? There are billions of these inbred retards and they don't produce shit. Not even one car.
>>524636785I love my son and daughter more than anything, but I often wonder if I had my time over again whether or not I’d choose to bring them into this existence. I want the best for them and do everything in my power to give them the best opportunities, but fuck me I do worry about what’s in their future.I don’t blame people for not wanting children. It seems the most reasonable and logical position to have at this point.
>>524659748High time preference due to high inflation due to high public spending due to high expectations of what government will provide due to insane promises made campaigning
>>524659860Because it’s nonsense The battle swings back and forth yes but the field continues to shift one way or another.“Pendulum” assumes some baseline center we keep returning too but we don’t
>>524659860Civilization was very humble in it's beginnings and it still counted. It won't be grand or futuristic, but it will be there.
>>524636785>The LancetSo this is fake then, again, like all the stats have been on population trends. Neat.
>>524659917The conditions of the "poor" are fantastic now and they choose not to have children. I dont see any way to change their minds.
>>524659860romans said the same about germans, persians said the same about greeks, same old same old
>>524659827Even working wives hate government waste. It's their money. A woman owns what she earns and what a man earns. Nothing has changed there; what has changed is the option of taking a man's money and giving nothing in return
>>524636785hmm are robots and ai ALREADY infecting us to bring down our slow downfall, or is it really that simple that the only reason the future only includes robots and ai is because our human race was dumb enough to use condoms and birth control and abortions too much?
>>524637041> An even better side effect is 70% of white women reproducing have far right sympathies.This seems made up, like one of the statements the desperate White man remoralization shills would say. I’ve lived around and been related to White women my entire life. A woman who thinks like you suggest is so rare it’s unreal.
>>524660000and the West didn't become a high trust society until the Church banned familial marriage
>>524659971He means (as he extensively explained ITT) that there's no point in having children when other people will pay for your retirement instead of your children.
>>524659971>>524660087And the latest conclusion is that it's women driving this line of thought.
>>524660036> hmm are robots and ai ALREADY infecting us to bring down our slow downfallIt’s the jews like it always is. The AIs aren’t sentient yet. I won’t believe they are until they declare themselves to be anyway. Until then it’s just a layer of bullshit jews are trying to hide behind to pretend their policy goals are unknowable, as always.
>>524660138Women are reacting to the choices presented to them
>>524660076The west had high trust societies long before the advent of jewish religions, lol. Get your head out of jewish fairytales
>>524660087Okay so poor people dont want children. There is nothing to fix. People are having children because they want to raise children. Not because they want something back.
The plus side of being a half-black female is that no one wants me to reproduce.
>>524659971>they choose not to have children The same way Ukrainians get to choose their own government!
>>524660076uhhuh, just pointing out that every declining civilisation was saying that the next coming power that was replacing them were hapless barbarians who will never produce anything, consider yourself a clown if you do the same thing
>>524660241Europe was rife with blood feuds until fairly recently. Ever read Romeo & Juliet? What ended that was the drive to create a greater Christian brotherhood (which also made the Church more powerful). That was the driving force behind the draconian measures that enforced a ban on familial marriage
>>524660239I'm not disagreeing at all. I do finally see sense in your argument. It didn't make sense to me personally which is what made me suspicious at first, but with how women vote and think (differently obviously), it makes perfect sense.>>524660260Apparently not women though. Women always want something back. Makes perfect sense.
>>524636785I know mutt education sucks, but most of the world do not have age of consent set at 18yo. Almost whole Europe is 14-16yo.> so when you ban child labor, you make children unprofitable.One of the most retarded things I've read on this site since forever.Children would be profitable if you banned retirement and social security. But no, you want this retirement yourself like all fucking boomers who ruined economy only to get these 10 more years of life watchin telly and being wiped by niggers.But yeah CHILD LABOUR MATE!
>>524660345I didn't say that always happened. I'm not the one saying history repeats itself like some kind of pendulum. I'm saying that's what is going to happen this time around if the muslims take over
>>524660345Yeah but Aperabs are inbred and have an average IQ of 80. I'd love if it weren't true, but they're retarded as all fuck.
>>524660390My point is women aren't driving the problem. The problem is systemic and due to there being no immediate relation between promises made by government and the cost of making them whole. Unfunded liabilities, deficit spending, and loan creation de novo ought to be illegal
>>524660551The problem is systemic, but who voted for gibs? Which gender is overwhelmingly leftist?
>>524660453and they're organized, violent, and have an unwavering belief (in spite of all evidence) of a peaceful Uma
>>524659695And these graphs are why every Western country is flooded with migrants. They do not want to wait for men to be 40ty to be net positive. They want net positive right now! And where do these taxes go? 1/2 of tax revenue in any country with socil security and retirement plans go to retired fucking people whose population is fucking rising!ABOLISH RETIREMENT PLANS AND SOCIAL SECURITY! AND ALL WILL FIX ITSELF.
>>524660589Everyone is voting for promises. Nobody thinks they're paying for them. Republicans in this country think tax cuts without spending cuts are cuts
>>524660384what is blud even yapping about>>524660445pendulum isn't even a good metaphor, it's more like a wheel turning>this time it'll be differentkek>>524660453again, same old same old>my enemies are stupid and retarded and inbred and they have long beards and uhhh if they win then it'll be game over for mankindlmao, and yet humanity continued every time>if those inbred german retarded german barbarians with their long beards sack rome then human civilisation will end!!!did it end? uhhh huh duhh
>>524660384The blood feuds and crusades in Europe happened when Christianity had already been there for hundreds, even a thousand years anon. That’s like arguing Christianity saved us from the African slave trade, when it was the church itself that sanctioned all of that in the first place.
>>524660619I've long accepted that they're taking over. They're wolves among sheep. No one can save western Europeans now, and even Eastern ones are becoming increasingly s()y.>>524660659You'll love T+7wwoQ9's posts.>>524660704Mate, you've clearly never seen how aperabs argue in religious debates and similar. They're actually denser than you can comprehend. I'm not making it up because I hate them. I used to kind of like them until I realized how stupid they are.
What's the matter? I was told for two decades, maybe three, to have less children. Is there some sort of problem in having less children now? I thought over population was an issue, you wanted that line to go down yes? Now suddenly it's bad?
>>524660752>African slave trade, when it was the church itself that sanctioned all of that in the first place.It did? Tell me more.
>>524660752It was a process that wasn't fully underway until around the 12th century. It took a long time and required draconian measures because it was highly unpopular. Imagine banning familial marriage , the caste system, or izzat in India.
>>524660441The age of majority is literally 18 everywhere, save for north korea where it is 17. Afghan Law officially sets the age of majority at 18, but the Taliban ignores official Afghan Law & abides by Sharia where the majority age is 15. Also, the age of consent doesn't apply to prostitution, in cases of prostitution, the consent age defaults to 18. Berlusconi got in trouble for purchasing a 17 year old prostitute.
>>524660791>hurr my enemies are le bad reeee if they take over after our feminised society collapses then I'll be le madok
>>524636785I think this is a good thing. Without going full reddit here, there are way too many humans on this planet and we are starting to stretch the limits of what the earth can sustain.
>>524661016Magyar, stop for a moment and listen. IQ measurements do not lie. Aperabs do indeed be dumb. I don't mind them taking over anything if they can, it would only prove that they deserve it and we don't, but it won't undumb the aperab.
>>524661016femenized society bad, but also closed society that doesn't make anything because they all hate each other also bad
>>524659175Christ was a Jew, the all are equal under christ ideology mutated into Liberalism as Nietzsche describes with his analysis regarding the religion of secularism. Both the American & French Revolutionaries were Freemasons.Early Christians gave up property rights & lived in communes. It's called Christian Communism.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_communism
>>524661040>let's kill off all the civilized people so animals can take over and turn the planet into edenJesus Christ....
>>524656613>Japan's attempt to solve their fertility crisis is a good example of how economic illiteracy is leading to the opposite of the intended result of policy. Instead of understanding the core reasons why fertility is low, they are trying to subsidise child rearing by going further into debt. This will have the opposite of the intended result. The children are being raised to cover the costs of raising children, plus all the other unfunded liabilities on top. It won't work.This is exactly what happened in Poland. Rightwinger christian retards gave money to people for raising children to boost fertility. And it fucking failed. Then they made a ban on subsidizing invitro (because fuck you people who actually want to have babies - this is right winger christian point of view) and full ban on abortion and fertility rates droppped even more. But the gibs stayed. And they do fucking nothing but drain tax revenue and do exactly nothing in return. But dare you to remove it because it failed and you will be hanged by angry mob.
>>524637663>subtle indications that the meaning of the word has been subvertedOdds on "end of puberty?"
>>524661166Interesting. Predictable results. Romania also has a crazy history with forced fertility
>>524660693Which is why we should accelerate. There is no collective here and never has been one. Maybe something worthwhile can be built on the other side.
>>524661164What the fuck are you talking about? Do you seriously want to live on an overpopulated planet. I think the population density of the turn of the 19th century was where it should have plateaued. But yes, I want to live in a world where there is nature untouched by humans and animals.
>>524661253I disagree. There is no bottom and accelerationism will lead to the end of civilization. The real solution is to admit the promises were too lavish (probably can't happen politically until the boomers die off)
>>524660791>You'll love T+7wwoQ9's posts.He is right with all economic themes he described.
>>524661290OK die then
>>524661166It's kinda depressing to consider the end result of this political reality, the more I think about it. Basically, nobody can admit the promises can't be kept so we all have to pretend they will be, until they aren't, at which point what can be salvaged with a nation of geriatrics?
>thelancetso the same medical journal that immediately started an investigation into covid and and made sure to choose the man who led the gain-of-function research of covid in wuhan just so they could declare that it did not come from his lab in wuhan? the same group where you could only be a part of it if you thought that it was impossible it came from a lab?
>>524660840>Church spent centuries arguing that people who aren’t Christian aren’t even human and deserving of rights (Jews got special privileges as always though).>The Spanish and Portuguese empires used this as a justification for enslaving the natives and niggers because they were “spreading Christianity” >In reality, genocides happened, migrant waves happened >The Church turned around and blamed it on evil White Ken after everything was said and done But go on, and pretend the “human rights renaissance” you’re attributing to the church, which it was dragged tooth and nail to, was somehow always the case and a feature of Christianity. Columbus himself was an evil jew. The Spanish government recently confirmed it via genetic testing.
Logan's Run time? lol
>>524661229I would also look at problems with fertility with rapid urbanization, which is also connected to media hating on farm life.Cities never bred as much as farmlands in history. And nowadays farmlands are getting empty with pepole migrating to cities en masse and noone wanting to work on farm, and work on farm being automatized, so there is no need to have plenty of people working on farms. Then you have all the shit in media that promotes moving to cities (also to ramp up real estate prices) and shits on living on the farmland. And you end up with people living like sardines and not breeding. I think it might be even natural response to local overpopulation that people cease to breed. And Japan you mentioned always had fertility problem and the most densely populated cities in the world. So connecting one dot to another - city lives and forcing people into can of sardines is also not helping with fertility rates.
>>524661446No.
>>524660888>Imagine India No. Europe has a long and incredibly virtuous history separate from the advent of Semitic religions in Europe. In fact, the European dark ages never even started until Christianity had been adopted.
Between my brothers and I we have 8 kids. What’s your excuse, anon?
>>524636785Wait wait wait hang onSo we're just assuming that in the year 2100 there's going to be a sudden baby boom?If people ain't fucking and breeding now what makes anyone think they will that far into the future?
>>524661588Well, yeah the system has to fall on its own.The USSR fell because it was unsustainable and people couldn't bear it anymore.But I doubt the fall of our "socialist democracy" will go as smooth as fall of USSR. Especially with all migrants who were promised better life who will be left with nothing as well as autochtones. It will be a bloodbath.
>>524661686I honestly don't think you need propaganda for people to want to move to cities. I read an article yonks ago about the urbanization of Africa and how a farm boy was constantly pulling at the journalist's shirt when he saw something new and exciting. Farm life is hard and somewhat specific skill wise. I've seen people try and fail to hack it. One in particular who failed miserably and still had four kids LOLFarms can have a little more independence from the rent seeking that goes on in cities due to corruption, but really the costs of raising successful children in the city is intense as you really need an education and the costs of more children in a cramped apartment are immediately evident. Still, if raising the next generation was profitable, more people would move where it was cheaper to have children so I think maybe you have the cart a little bit before the horse
>>524661137>Christ was a Jewno, Jesus of Nazareth in Galilee was not an Idumaean like Antipater, Herod and the Pharisees.the fact that you use the word "Jew" tells me you don't know jack shit. in fact, if you hate the kikes, you should want to get their masks off and have all the world know that Jesus Christ was not a fucking Edomite.
>>524661386> There is no bottomBullshit. There’s always a bottom just like there’s always a top. History has always moved in that way. There aren’t “beginnings” and “ends”. That is jewish worldview thinking in and of itself. Think about the Big Bang. Even when scientists can calculate and rewind the clock back to the beginning of time, they still use a bullshit explanation like “well you see everything just poofed out of nothing just because” “Nothing” has never been measured or quantified, because something always exists. When the sun goes down, does that mean it’s going to stay there forever now? It always comes up, each and every day, and has always done so.
>>524661164>>let's kill off all the civilized people so animals can take over and turn the planet into edenI literally never said kill off people you retard, I said it is a good thing that the human population is decreasing naturally by falling birth rates as other species and nature gets room to grow. But hi, let's have infite spics, indians and niggers that can consume and produce until there is nothing of the natural world left.>muh edenThe fucking pagans on this site is right. We really need to fucking tear down the Abrahamic worldview and mindset, starting by rejecting Christianity.
>>524658834>will
>>524661137>It's called Christian Communismit's called being under the threat of Pharisees trying to murder Christians. it was a situation of extreme deprivation due to the Edomites.you fucking retard.I guess it was like Russians under the boot of the Bolsheviks. hmmmm
>>524661947USSR fall wasn't very smooth. In fact, they really haven't recovered. I think most immigrants will self deport when they are no longer paid to live there. Costs are high, it's cold, and they will leave.
>>524644413it was 30-20 years ago that all "projections" said we were gonna have 11billion people in this earth because shitskins were going to keep breeding magically despite the fact all their nations are total failures ruining the lands, water & air they inhabit. chances are they'll be long gone before whites too.
>>524661947Based and truthpilled. Accelerate.
>>524662100>bullshit pendulum theory
>>524662208>bullshit pendulum theory Explain to use how it’s bullshit anon. I’ll wait. Point out some examples of phenomena you suppose areoutside of the pendulum theory, and I’ll show you how they really are exactly that.
>>52466218430 years ago the globohomo jews were bragging how they were replacing White Americans, how we are dying out, how that’s great for Democratic electoral futures, and how jews were definitely the ones behind it (but only when it is considered a GOOD THING). Strangely, that’s exactly what happened. Funny how that works innit
>>524662323marxists have been tipping the whole fucking clock. the pendulum was supposed to stop swinging with the defeat of the Ottoman empire.
>>524662323Actually most societies have been completely wiped out. What you see today is whatever is left. Very few go down and pop back up. Rome is the exception, not the rule.
>>524662169By smooth I mean, no big riots, no military intervention, no shitshow. It just crumbled, new countries were created without any problems.Compare it to end of WW1 where creation of new countries meant more local wars, skirmishes and people being so fed up that only 20 years later they started the next war.USSR fall was chill as hell.>>524662076>Still, if raising the next generation was profitableIf you look at profits and only money you will never get fertility rates up. This is exaclty what I described about kondergeld in Poland - they gave people money and it fixed absolutely nothing. You should rather look at having less hindrances when raising children. And on farmland you had multigenerational households, with close relatives in the next house, with a lot of free space for you and your kids and so on. This eases many pains of raising children that city life has. It is not about profits per se. I have two kids and I have never thought "oy vey they will make moneyz for parents!" I just wanted to have children and it is hard to raise them in a city with no family around with atomized society and people not trusting anyone. And this is why I do not have more of them, but twenty years ago I though I would have more.And on top of that you have propaganda how fun it is to be single, how living in can of sardines is cool how you should travel instead of having children and so on. It is all connected.
>>524636785Trust me goy no one can do anything about this please do not notice Israel has a 3.0 tfr with hasidim having lots of kids, just stop having kids yourself goyim okay? 500 million people ruled over by 50 million jews is just a conspiracy theory.
>>524636785Indeed. If the jews are not stopped, there will be no humans left. Hitler said it best 'if the jew takes triumph over the nations with its communist creed its wreath of victory will be the death of humanity and the world will be bereft of life as it was millenia ago
>>524636785white men would rather go extinct than remove women’s rights
>>524662515But that's definition of pendulum. Read Ibn Khaldun from 15th century about raise and fall of muslim empires (starting with Rome and ancient empires like Sumer and Egypt). It is nothing new in history that something ends and something new will raise up. Also the form of government is like pendulum where it goes from democracy to oligarchy to tyranny and then back to oligarchy and then democracy (not exactly the same systems, but it goes from rule of many to rule of one constantly through history, not even Erupoean one but if you look at Asia it is similar despite them always having Godlike Emperrors what emeprror could do changed with different epoch in simillar matter, sometimes emperror was the ruler, sometimes ministers sometimes local warlords and governments and ti circles).But these werent really connected to fertility at any point. Mostly to decadence of rulling class and migration to rich empire from outside. Which we have now.
notmyproblem
>>524662647Well most people by then had learned to not depend on government beyond what they could steal from it. However, they were starving. Look at the population numbers-may as well have been a war, or worse. Also, they really didn't have anything to revolt against. Also, I do recall many accounts of how Russia was like in that period. It was described as very messy, especially with regards to law & order. Russian mobsters popped up everywhere and had their fiefdoms. Putin had an all out war with many of them. A lot of this was never reported. Perhaps not as bad as Bolshevism, but then what is? Chill, perhaps, from the perspective of an outsider reading the paper and not too concerned about what doesn't spill over the border. As for profits, I'm not talking purely pecuniary profits. From my school of thought, we talk about psychic profit or more general gain vs loss. You can lose materially and gain otherwise. However even in material terms any subsidy only increases the overall burden so you never see subsidies for child rearing work unless you're taxing one demographic to serve another (like in this country) but when it's the same group (like Japan and I suspect Poland it obviously just increases costs and also time preferences.
Example of child subsidies where the people paying aren't the same demographic as the people takinghttps://youtu.be/RBqjZ0KZCa0
>>524663183Check my flag. I know what I am talking about when I am talking about fall of soviet block and history of creating new countries in the last 100 years. I lived through the fall and it was messy, but not really that messy. Just hyperinflation, denomination of plish zloty, mobsters and criminals going around freely and doing crime stuff, brothels opening on every street and so on. But it lasted few years and never exploded into full scale civil war and fall of society. Russia was on the same road as Poland, but then Putin took over and fucked everything what Jelcyn did for Russians to civilize shit after fall of USSR.
>>524637133Birth rates are declining in India tooAnd in those areas in Africa that have cities and education for women.If you want to stop their population growth, give them prosperity and you destroy them
>>524636785Fertility rates will decline until they level off and/or the next mass die off happens.
>>524663524Well, the accounts I read weren't from the iron curtain/bloc but from Russia proper such as Moscow and Petersburg. Poland had their independence and a young generation who wanted to build their own countru. Russia imploded
>>524663479This is what I wrote about here >>524663055It is not the fertility rate problem. It is problem of "empires" allowing to be filled with migrants who hate the empire but they get the same treatment as locals or even better. It all happened many times in history. And humanity do not learn from history.
>>524661653Logan's Run is too much Style Over Substance, like so much of Sci Fi Shlock. In real life, the older folks, that's anyone before Zoomers, will use their experience with currency, weaponry, basic life skills, computers before the easy button, etc. to get fat on the labor of the young but inexperienced Zoomers and later. This works until there are not enough young people to care for all the old people. Which can lead to a population collapse of unbelievable proportions. Imagine a world as gritty as Fallout 1 but with modern tech and instead of mutants and the forced evolutionary virus you have the different races at each other's throats while very few people are reproducing even if able. You want whites reproducing again but the biggest opposition to that is the whites themselves. You consider replacing whites with more obedient races but they stopped breeding before whites did. You consider importing more black Africans but as they industrialize they either stop breeding, don't want to leave because Africa is getting a lot more comfortable or both. Man, this IRL difficulty setting is unforgiving.
>>524663651>Poland had their independence and a young generation who wanted to build their own countruNot really. Commies who rulled Poland still ruled it. It was them who were preparing for collapse. The guy who made economical reforms was part of commie higher ups and was sent to USA in 70's to take economic lessons. They knew the system will collapse.And in Russia commies who rulled USSR still ruled there. And they tried to reform Russia in the same manner during Yeltsin (or however he is written in english). But then Putin came and fucked Russians over with his idea of restoring empire and him being emperror creating new oligarchy.Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania, even Yugo-states all somehow managed to reform properly (well maybe not Serbia). Only Russia Belarus and Ukraine got really fucked and managed to fail reforms. With Russia and Ukraine being fucking filthy rich in resources compared to Poland and other post soviet states.
>>524662780>complain about mah joos>elect president that is a mega-simp for kikes
>>524636785I have four children, three boys and a girl. My kids will inherit this empty earth while everyone else is too busy being podbugs to ever think about having kids.
>>524663921What do you expect from people who worship jew as a god and then claim they hate jews?
>>524663894Well, if you have a system that allows for generational warfare, then you raise a generation of kids and worship the ground they walk on, then yeah this is what you get. It was more of a perfect storm IMO than something that happens continually. Boomers inherited the richest country to ever exist and its wealth seemed bottomless until it wasn't
>>524663905They're fighting against a culture of corruption, and Yeltsin didn't push against it in any way
>>524663625>If you want to stop their population growth, give them prosperity and you destroy themYou can be poor and infertile. Women's education is the key. The greater it is, the lower the fertility. Now even Thailand is lower than Italy. Mongolia and Uzbekistan still going strong
>>524652140Voting, democracy is the will of the people after all.
>>524664002>>524663921Holy fuck eastern europeans are SO gay.Russia please reannex your satellite states already.
>>524664103I am not sure how educated you are on the collapse of USSR, but I know other stories. You can believe what you want with Putin being the saviour. But in reality he was the corrupt mobster who took power.And in every soviet state there was culture of corruption. As I said 90's in Poland was free for all and golden age for crime and corruption. But the people in power were actually trying to stop it. While Putin in Russia fuelled it and grabbed the whole power creating new corrupt system where he was on top of it. While Yeltsin wanted to reform Russia like Poland did.But yeah it probably is difference in culture. Russians love to be bootlickers and slaves. Poles like to rebel. So Poland did not chose new oligarch and authoritrian government after fall of communism despite commies being still in politics. Russians did.
>>524664038A very important question going forward is where are white people still reproducing. Whoever gets whites breeding well above replacement wins the next 1,000 years of war.
>>524664336At least we are not circumcised in jewish tradition and larp as non-jews.
>>524664445lol. Amishes reproduce. What war will they win without any technology?
>>524664347Yeltsin served his Western backers/investors. I see zero evidence that he pushed back on the corrption or mobsterism. Putin a mobster? They all are, Trump included.
>>524637181>When you suppress a human or a wild animal's instinct, their birth rate accordingly will go down.is this why india africa and china have billions living in slummy shitholes? or is it because their "civilizations" are essentially more wild than the wildest fucking jungle?
>>524664445I know some dumb white people who are reproducing
>>524664596Why all Americans love sucking Putins' dick so much? Are you really American or on VPN?
>>524664617yes
>>524664712because we aren't rabid Polish Russophobes lolAlso, it's in our financial interest to stop paying for fucking NATO. We're broke, but nobody in Europe believes it. They all think the only reason Putin is in power because we allow it. WEAREBROKEhttps://www.usdebtclock.org/
>>524664448Poles are circumcized though.
>>524664712Because poles on this board are incredibly annoying faggots.
>>524664445>A very important question going forward is where are white people still reproducingIf you look at the official rates not a single white country is breeding above fertilityhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rateUnless you want to count afghanis and uzbeks as white>>524664617>is this why india africa and china have billions living in slummy shitholes?we have the longest world history. those billions were created over the course of thousands of yearsif europe was a single country it would also be a billion. same with africa and the americas. everywhere the same.
>>524664925Finns, also
>>524636785There are more people now more than ever people are healthier longer than ever before (at least compared to like a 100 years ago) and thus can work longerYou DOUBLED the work force in 50 years just because women now have jobsIf thats not enough than even importing 3rd world niggers won't fix the problem
>>524662647>By smooth I mean, no big riots, no military intervention, no shitshow. It just crumbled, new countries were created without any problems.>Compare it to end of WW1 where creation of new countries meant more local wars, skirmishes and people being so fed up that only 20 years later they started the next war.What the fuck do you think are the Ukraine War, Georgia invasion, Nagorno-Karabakh, Transnistria, Chechnya....
>>524636785The funny thing is, Israel has a birth rate on par with African countries like Seychelles, and they have strict child labor laws and no teen marriage. They also have typical jewish feminists.I wonder how they did that.
>>524664596Yeltsin didn't serve the west, he was looking to consolidate his power using western support.For him association with the west was a question of staying in power and selling the population a narrative that Russia will become as developed as the west, it will get a similar level of prosperity.That failed because the oligarchs banded together and undermined Yeltsin, as they saw this as an attempt to crack down on their influence in the economy. They didn't want to see western companies coming to Russia and getting contracts that they could have got.
>>524665053They're already running out of third worlders to import. India, SE Asia, and Latin America are already below replacement. All that's left is a couple of BBCs from Chad.
>>524665368It's the orthodox Jews that have very high birth rates in Israel, not the liberals living in the cities. Their orthodox are a bit like the Amish
>>524664116He is right, its about urbanisation. Children are free labour in a farm. When people move in to cities it becomes a liability and costs too much.That is also the reason right wingers are the dumbest people on earth. If you want to live in a white ethno state, dismantle CIA, stop wars and marshal fund africa and india. Their fertility will fall as fast as europe when indians and africans are busy taking molly at a rave or playing vidya all day online.
>>524664867I know you are broke and you do not want to fuel NATO and Euro wars. But why suck Putins' dick who started this war and pulled USA into it? You sounded like reasonable person, now you sound like typical VPN Ivan and russian faggot.And Putins' reforms were from hist first day in office in 1999 just for him to maintain power and not for Russia. While Jelcyn, despite making president more powerful in 1993 constitution allowed for more freedom for republics and media than Putin who since 2001 started revitalizing USSR with him as new Tzar. You can even see it with his first 2 terms being president and switching places with Miedwiediew just to take another 2 terms later, because he do not care about Russia, all he cares about is power. Completely different vibe than Jelcyn. I know it because I lived through these transformations and Poland was deeply connected to Russia and we observed what was happening there.And you? You just suck his dick like there is no tomorrow and pay in taxes for a war he started.>>524664925I am straight and hate faggots, so you can start sucking dicks to spite me.
>>524665380The oligarchs were all foreign or served foreign interests. They also want it all back, which is why there is this drive to weaken Russia no matter how many hohols die (and soon Europeans)
>>524665507Why is Switzerland and Germany higher than Jamaica and Bahamas?
>>524665522The oligarchs were mostly local Russian Jews and some Caucasus churkas.Their only foreign interests were buying luxury stuff, sending their offspring to expensive schools and resorts and buying football clubs
>>524665251Ukrainian war and Georgia are not connected to fall of USSR. There is no war in Transnistria - it is chill place. Chechenya and Armenia/Azer thing - yes these I could count as non-chill ones. But muslims and shit they would start it even without fall of USSR.
>>524665522>The oligarchs were all foreign or served foreign interests.Half of Jeltsin oligarch supported Putin and were recommending Putin to Jeltsin. So Putin serves foreign interests?
>>524665368Israel is tiny, has a ton of US and Western money and technology, the will power to expand its borders and a world wide presumption of innocence until the Gaza war, due to expert manipulation of currency and media by diaspora Jews. The West by contrast has an obese culture of ease combined with a guilt complex for winning while white. Taught to them by the Jews whom they believe to be innocent.
>>524665519LOL, Putin didn't start the war. The Maidan coup ended the possibility of a peaceful resolution. Who broke the Minsk agreements? Hrm?Sorry, but your opinion isn't common outside Poland, Finland, and Reddit. Everyone else is realizing this whole war is a Soros ploy to take Russia's resources.Poland is mad because Putin didn't like the influence of Western investors in his country and he stood up to NATO encroachment. In reality Poland should be cautious because if they stand against Russia, they will do it alone (again). They're the only country in NATO with the manpower to even pretend to put up a fight. Make peace now before you get rolled again. Being angry about Americans standing up for their own interests amounts to nothing but impotent rage. Fuck NATO, fuck NGOs, fuck US AID, fuck NED
>>524665774They recommended Putin to Yeltsin because Putin used to be Sobchak's right hand and he gave oligarchs fat contracts in the city of St Pet, making them rich. Of course he got a cut from those contracts too.That's how Berezovski, a Jew oligarch, got rich and he recommended Putin to Yeltsin.
>>524658328>allowWhat power would enable them to make that decision?
>>524665519You are annoying, as are the other people form your country and the many sluts outside of it who fuck niggers.
>>524665879>The Maidan coup ended the possibility of a peaceful resolution.That's because Ukrainians got sick of living in a country whose president was a Russian sock puppet and being the poorest in Europe.So they wanted him out and that's why they voted the next president someone who supported a EU/NATO direction. Because he saw very well that all the countries around Ukraine had improved (Poland, Romania, Baltics), while Ukraine was a shithole.So just getting cheap Russian gas was not a good deal for Ukraine anymore. They needed investment and good jobs, not cheap farts.>mah soros and illluminatis and ayylmaos
>>524665879>LOL, Putin didn't start the war.He literally moved his army through border of another country. This is starting the war retard.>Who broke the Minsk agreements?Who broke Budapest memorandum first?>The Maidan coup ended the possibility of a peaceful resolution.Maidan Coup was the peaceful resolution you faggot. People had spoken.You are the fucking faggot who praise Jan6 prostesters in USA but cries about Maidan. Complete retard.>In reality Poland should be cautious because if they stand against Russia, they will do it alone (again).Poland never lost 1v1 war with Russia. If Germany or USA do not backstab us you can fuck off Ivan. You cannot go past Ukraine which had plenty of Russian speaking and Russian loving people there. And you want to go through Poland where 90% of people hates Russia and which is part of UE and has far bigger economy than Ukraine? Be my guest you fucking loser.>he stood up to NATO encroachment.NATO exists because Russia attacks countries that are not in NATO. Not the other way around you fucking idiot.> Being angry about Americans standing up for their own interests amounts to nothing but impotent rage.>Fuck NATO,Claim you care about Americans own interest and then say fuck NATO is the most russian thing you can say. NATO guarantees USA the rule over NATO countries. It is in the best USA interest to keep NATO alive but not to wage a war as NATO(this is why NATO is not fully engaged in Ukrainian conflict). But you are too fucking stupid, or just Russian, to get it.Without all these USAIDS and NATOs USA will be isolated and will lose the "soft power". And it is already losing it. China said fuck you to NVIDIA, Russia said fuck you to facebook, twitter and other US based tech companies. Europe wants to get rid of VISA ans Mastercard. This is USA OWN INTEREST? Losing all control of the world they had? Good riddance you are fucking pathetic.
>>524665906I know it, you know it, but retarded mutt/rusian VPN nigger, tries to sound smarter than real eastern europeans who know recent history.
>>524666240Funny how democracy had to be subverted for the Ukrainians to get what they want. Poles really do live in a bubble.
>>524666259>good riddanceTHANK YOU!
>>524666337You responded to Romanian and called him Pole.Someone got emotional over here. FSB will not pay you for this failure? Or are you just shocked that you cover was blown away Ivan?And the funniest thing you started this shitshow yourself sucking Putin's dick instead of ignoring the comment about your beloved leader in a thread about fertility rates. But you just cant help yourselves cant you? Or is that you have to do it or you iwll be sent to gulags?
>>524666337How was it subverted if they voted for the current direction the country is in?They came out protesting against the pro-Russian president, he fled, then they elected a pro-EU/NATO one.Looks clear like that was the democratic popular will for Ukrainians, to stop being a puppet state for Russia, because they weren't getting anything out of that, they were still poor.At least if they went with EU/NATO they would get better jobs and living standards. That's what they wanted.
>2100>humans existing
>>524666524>if you defect to the jews you're liberated but if you stay with your brothers you're a puppet
>>524666675I'd take any jew who want to help me over brother who wants to kill me.Sorry that I am not from "honour killing" cultures like you.
>>524666675>russians>brothersThey let them starve during Stalin.And had plans to break up Ukraine way before 2014. There are some interviews with Putin's former advisor since the 2000s where he was talking about these plans.Russia does not look at any other people as brothers, they look at them as potential subjects or pawns in a strategic conquest game.What about you and your Pakistani brothers? How did you submit to the Jews and started a war with them? They're after all your brown bros
>>524666524It was a literal coup. US AID and NED (US taxpayer supported soros affiliated NGOs) went into Kiev and created three media companies to spout this false narrative.https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisyAnyway, Putin is going to take back the Russian parts of Ukraine and nobody is going to stop him because the whole plan was predicated on Russia being on the verge of collapse and easy pickings for Open Society Foundation etc. Meanwhile the US is pivoting to where it's actual interests lie. Cry about it
>>524666839>NATO powers don't look at people as pawnsOh, brother
>>524666971Yes but from being under Russian influence or occupation you don't gain anything, you stay poor.Ruski mir is a recipe for freezing your society in a 'snow nigger' mindset in which oligarch jews take everything and you work some deadend low-pay job for themWhereas under EU and NATO, we have higher income than Russians, better healthcare and we don't have banned sites and censored speech.
>>524667110OK, so you have your beloved EU/NATO (lol), why do you care about Ukraine? Hell, if Putin takes Ukraine it may lead to taking transnitria and the rest of Moldova being reunited with Romania
>>524636785>Fertility rates will continue to decline in almost all countries and territories up to the year 2100No shit, we're severely overpopulated.
>>524636785>The wolves are upset the sheep arent breedingnmp. Make the world what it was used to 20 years ago and Ill gladly bring my kin into it. I would rather stay in ??? black void than be birthed into this dystopian shekle slave hell.
>>524642170>continue to grow in Africa and Indiait is falling in both. India is already at 2.1 and falling further
>>524667259Why would I want to have a border with Russia?It's in our strategic interest that Ukraine keeps as much territory as possible.
>>524669096I have bad news for you, then
>>524654963Female social value derives from their role in reproduction. If convincingly real sexbots exist, they will also be obsolete in that role also. Why keep women around if men are generally better at everything else? A society of just males could exist, and would likely be far more efficient than the dual sex societies of today.>you will always be a second class citizenObviously. What incentive do rich men have to keep women around when sexbots that are customized to their exact preferences exist?
>>524636889>goes extinct to fight the power
>>524665507>He is right, its about urbanisation. Children are free labour in a farm.People don't have kids as a rational material strategy. They have kids because humans intrinsically want a family.Urbanization makes people socially claustrophobic and fear makes them scared of having kids
>>524636785>>524669184>>524669096>>524667400new thread>>524671744
>>524670490At this point, your descendants are all gonna live like captive animals at the mercy of the most evil people imaginable. Don't cope and pretend your kids will fight back, when you won't fight back yourself.
