It's bad to be stupid and evilThe Trump administration is a clique of brutal, amoral thugs with no strategy beyond bluster and senseless violence. Evil has come to America, bringing with it economic catastrophe, death, and torture.A paradigmatic example is the Trump administration’s policy of deporting people to CECOT an Salvadoran prison rife with abuse. This was without due process; https://www.axios.com/2025/12/22/cecot-trump-bari-weiss-60-minutes of the roughly 250 people sent there, only 32 men had convictions, and only six were convicted of violent crimes. One was a gay makeup artist who’d never been convicted of a crime not exactly the model of a violent gang member. https://www.axios.com/2025/12/22/cecot-trump-bari-weiss-60-minutes60 minutes published a report on the horrifying conditions experienced by CECOT inmates. The first person they interviewed was Luiz Munoz Pinto, a college student from Venezuela who came to America seeking asylum. He had no criminal record and had never even gotten a traffic ticket. https://archive.org/details/cecot-60mins
>>524637586Despite this, however, he was sent to the CECOT facility, where he was forced onto his hands and knees, and his head was shaved. The guards savagely beat the inmates with fists and batons. Pinto was beaten until he bled. They broke all his teeth. Inmates were subject to sexual abuse and torture, according to Human Rights Watch. https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/11/12/us/el-salvador-torture-of-venezuelan-deporteesAnother inmate described being forced onto his knees for 24 hours. Every half hour, the inmates were beaten. If they couldn’t maintain the position, they were sent to solitary confinement, in total darkness. Guards beat the inmates’ genitals with their fists. Lights were kept on non-stop, making sleep nearly impossible the warden even admitted to this fact. Food and medicine were often withheld. There was no access to clean water.If we’re sending people to be tortured, at the very least we should have a high bar for doing so. However, 60 Minutes reports that the criteria that determined whether one was a gang member and sent to CECOT were whether one got at least 8 points on a checklist (checklists aren’t the model of ideal due process, and we would never support them being used to determine which Americans get sent to a foreign gulag). One got 4 points for having tattoos that were suspected to be gang related. Yet Tren De Aragua, unlike other gangs in Latin America, doesn’t use tattoos for demarcation.These brutal conditions did not stop Kristi Noem from flying out to CECOT to do a photoshoot. Most administrations, when they do cruel things, try to distance themselves from their cruelty. This administration takes photoshoots in the torture dungeon where it sends innocent college students.It’s important not to mince words. The conditions are accurately described as torture, and if an American service member was kept in these conditions by our adversaries, no one would doubt that “torture” was a fair description.
>>524637732America has sent innocent college students who applied for asylum to be tortured in a foreign prison in hopes of deterring more asylum seekers. The Trump administration makes a show of pettiness and performative cruelty because it has no policy wins to speak of.This is a moral red line. One cannot, in good conscience, support an administration that sends innocent people to be tortured, and then takes photo shoots where they are being tortured. This is an administration of thugs and criminals. Now, the death toll of this action is much smaller than that of the foreign aid cuts that killed more than a million people. But still, the CECOT detainment is a particularly grotesque display of wickedness almost a new low. And if an administration tortures people, even if just a few people, that is alarming because it signals something about what it’s willing to do.Or take the administration’s recent policy of extrajudicially killing people on boats. This policy is plainly illegal; https://www.justsecurity.org/126156/faq-boat-strikes-southern-spear/ one isn’t permitted to engage in killings with no oversight when they’re not even at war. In one case, the administration even went so far as to order a second strike, killing the two survivors of the original strike. Imagine, for a moment, if China began ordering extrajudicial killings of Americans whom they suspected to be smuggling drugs, without even releasing the evidence that they were.
>>524637764And the administration doesn’t even have a consistent story https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/18/politics/venezuela-boat-strikes-trump about what the people were doing or why they were killed. At various points administration officials have said:>The first strike was on a ship going to a country in the Caribbean.>It was carrying drugs to the U.S.>The purpose of the strikes was to topple Maduro.>The purpose is to stop drug trafficking.Why are they doing this? Venezuela isn’t even a major source of drugs to the U.S.! The answer is that Trump likes machismo foreign policy where he acts tough and kills people. His statement on the matter was “we’re just going to kill people,” who bring in drugs. These are the kinds of people we’re dealing with. Megyn Kelly, not satisfied with mere extrajudicial execution, said:>I really do kind of not only wanna see them killed in the water, whether they're on the boat or in the water, but I'd really like to see them suffer. I would like Trump and Hegseth to make it last a long time so they lose a limb and bleed out.https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1995649146741739985
>>524637817This should be alarming to everyone. Good foreign policy is based on assessments of risks and benefits, rather than senseless attempts to signal strength. It is alarming if the president can simply kill people with no oversight. Killing is a grave matter. It is quite sensible to have restrictions on when it can be done. Mere bloodlust is not a sane policy.This petty brutality is part of the reason the administration has floundered so disastrously on the economy. Tariffs majorly distort markets. There’s no debate to be had among economists about that. And while the administration claimed that the purpose of tariffs was to get other countries to lower their tariffs, they’ve had the opposite effect. China and Canada have raised their tariffs in response. Outrageously, the administration on average imposed higher tariffs on countries with lower tariffs on America. https://www.cato.org/blog/please-stop-calling-them-reciprocal-tariffs?utm_source
>>524637586>Flag changerInteresting
>>524637845Economic policy is subtle and tricky. While you can often bully your way through foreign policy decisions without facing too much harm, provided you have sufficient power, the same doesn’t hold on the economy. That is a major reason why the economy is so bad currently. Senseless aggression is not a sane economic policy. https://www.jpmorgan.com/insights/global-research/current-events/us-tariffsAnd if an administration is mostly about playing tough on TV, it does them no good to be decent or compassionate. It is not surprising that an administration solely dedicated to vice-signaling cut foreign aid, killing over a million people. https://www.cgdev.org/blog/update-lives-lost-usaid-cuts It is no surprise that an administration devoid of competence sold our best AI chips to China, vastly raising the odds they’d win the tech race, even as it used the threat of China winning the race as an excuse for obliterating AI regulation. https://benthams.substack.com/p/madness-in-washingtonWhat’s the core throughline through these policies? Certainly there’s no ideological throughline. The only similarity the only thing that ties together these disparate policies is the desire for pettiness and brutality. It is the desire to be a third-world dictator where you can “just kill people.”I think of the core insight of effective altruism as being that one can do a lot of good if one combines moral clarity and competence. Effective altruists dedicate themselves to making the world better and use high-quality evidence to try to do that as effectively as possible. Lacking both decency and competence is almost the defining trait of the Trump administration. All it has is pettiness, nastiness, and bluster. It is no surprise that an administration so pathologically bereft of virtue has failed catastrophically, leaving millions to die.
>>524637586Okay Use your words to stop themGood luck
What is this? Your moral attack on the Trump administration describes every American presidential administration since that country’s founding.
>>524637871I'm not op but you're a newfag
>>524637929Tell that to Thomas Crooks
All people have to do is stop invading the US. We're not playing around anymore. Take some responsibility for deciding to invade us anyway. This is us still being nice about it.
>>524638016Applying for asylum isn't invading Edward Snowden didn't invade Russia
>>524638056Yes, it is invading. Asylum isn't "I need to escape the country my people built and will now build here instead". No. Fuck off.
>>524638117You have no idea what you're talking about go spend five minutes studying international law
>>524637931>whataboutism
>>524637586trump's grifting is literally off the charts
>>524638216I couldn't care less what international jew law is. If you need asylum, go to another people of your own ethnic group. Just noticing how White countries don't have warlords, and then wanting that, is not a valid reason for asylum. Nor a reason to try and replace the ethnic group who built it with your own. Go find another country with they same ethnicity. If you can't find one that is livable, then that is the standard your people created for themselves. It's not our fault. Evolve. You're not going to come here and fuck our shit up too.
>>524637929I mean, here we are. I REALLY hate to admit libs are right but the Trump era is ending the liberal republican way of thinking that built this country. What a shame
>>524638388>If you need asylum, go to another people of your own ethnic group.You're not required to apply for asylum at a country of similar ethnicity. You're supposed to apply for asylum at the first/closest country which it is safe for you to do so. >Just noticing how White countries don't have warlords, and then wanting that, is not a valid reason for asylum. If a white country is the only country which is safe for a refuge that's absolutely a valid reason. >Nor a reason to try and replace the ethnic group who built it with your own. Go find another country with they same ethnicity. If you can't find one that is livable, then that is the standard your people created for themselves. It's not our fault. In many cases it is "our" fault. America does regime change, assassinations, color revolutions, sells arms to countries like Saudi Arabia to help them with their genocide against yemen, sanctions, etc that destabilizes countries. Iraq, Libya, etc etc
>>524638597>You're not required to apply for asylum at a country of similar ethnicity.You seem confused. I just told you I don't care what international jew law says. I'm telling you what the people of the US require. So fuck off and find a country of your own ethnicity. If you can't find one that isn't repulsive and dangerous, that just means such countries are the result of your people. So fix it yourselves. >In many cases it is "our" fault. America does regime change, assassinations, color revolutions, sells arms to countries like Saudi Arabia to help them with their genocide against yemen, sanctions, etc that destabilizes countries. Iraq, Libya, etc etcThat's jews. And we're all trying to fix the jewish problem. You fucking up my country more is not part of that solution. And blaming all your problems on regime change is retarded. Japan took a nuke to the ass and regime change and is fine today. It's your people.
>>524638288He literally scammed his own supporters out of hundreds of millions with his fake crypto pump and dump shitcoin.
>>524638750>hates jews>loves Zion Don YOU'RE A FUCKING CLOWN
>>524639246>loves Zion DonThe fuck? Trump is a traitor and should be justly tried and the judge's lawful sentence should be carried out. That doesn't mean these dynamics you're discussing should go away.
>>524638750Your claim that US asylum law requires applying in a country of similar ethnicity is false. US asylum policy is based on the Immigration and Nationality Act. It requires a well founded fear of persecution based on race religion nationality membership in a particular social group or political opinion. There is no rule about ethnicity similarity or mandatory application in such a country. Safe third country agreements exist like with Canada but they are limited and not about ethnicity. Asylum seekers can apply in the US directly if they meet the criteria. No law forces anyone to a country of their own ethnicity.Blaming Jews for US foreign policy interventions regime changes in Iraq Libya and elsewhere is a classic antisemitic conspiracy trope. It echoes old myths like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which falsely claim Jews secretly control governments wars and events for their benefit. Scholars historians and organizations like the Anti Defamation League identify this as antisemitism because it attributes outsized sinister power to Jews as a group and absolves actual decision makers of responsibility.US decisions on Iraq in 2003 and Libya in 2011 were driven by a mix of factors including perceived national security threats oil interests geopolitical strategy neoconservative ideology and presidential administrations led by non Jews like George W Bush Dick Cheney Donald Rumsfeld and Barack Obama. While some Jewish individuals held policy roles like any group they did not control outcomes. Claims that Jews or Israel hijacked US policy have been debunked by experts including in analyses of the Israel lobby thesis by Mearsheimer and Walt. Many sources note that oil companies military contractors and broad bipartisan support played larger roles. Attributing complex US actions solely to Jews ignores evidence and revives harmful stereotypes of Jewish control.
>>524638016>>524638388>>524638750extremely based
>>524639346>Your claim that US asylum law requires applying in a country of similar ethnicity is false.Jesus Christ how brown are you. I didn't say US law. I told you what the AMERICAN PEOPLE REQUIRE. Not the jews of international law. Not the shabbos goyim jews pay for to make domestic law. THE PEOPLE. We say fuck off back to your own country, or claim asylum in another country of your own ethnicity. Your countries are fucked up because that is what your people inevitably create. White people create safe countries, Eastern Asians create safe countries. You do not. So stay away.
>>524639346>>524638750Your comparison of Japan after World War II to Iraq or Libya fails because the contexts differ greatly. Japan was already an industrialized unified nation with strong institutions educated population and prior economic base before defeat. Post war US occupation preserved key structures implemented reforms like land redistribution and demilitarization and provided massive aid under the Marshall Plan equivalent for Asia. Japan had internal will and capacity to rebuild quickly. Iraq and Libya before interventions were not comparable. They had weaker institutions deep sectarian tribal divisions limited industrial bases and long histories of authoritarian rule. Post intervention chaos stemmed from poor planning dissolution of state structures insurgencies and lack of unified national identity not some inherent flaw of any people. Historians emphasize these differences make direct comparisons invalid.Blaming entire groups of people for their countrys problems or saying they must fix it themselves ignores history geopolitics and shared human responsibility. US actions have contributed to instability in some cases through interventions sanctions and arms sales but that is due to government policy not any ethnic or religious group pulling strings. Conspiracy claims targeting Jews distract from real analysis and promote division.
>>524639691>Blaming entire groups of people for their countrys problems or saying they must fix it themselves ignores history geopolitics and shared human responsibility. US actions have contributed to instability in some cases through interventions sanctions and arms sales but that is due to government policy not any ethnic or religious group pulling strings. Conspiracy claims targeting Jews distract from real analysis and promote division.So your argument is that the US did things you think makes "asylum seeker" countries unlivable. Which is patently absurd, but let's roll with it and pretend it's true. That the only reason brown countries are dangerous is because of the US. You think that means we should give up our country now? You think that means you "deserve vengeance"? You think that means you are now entitled to my country? That's not how the world works. If you want to take my country, that requires force. By all means, if you feel justified to invade and take over, try it. Everyone has the right to conquer if it's their prerogative. But you can't even take means words. You're not going to like what it means to try and conquer. You'll have more than mean words defending against you.
>>524639436One reliable study showing majority support among U.S. white people (or Americans more broadly, with breakdowns where available) for the right to apply for asylum comes from **Pew Research Center** surveys, which are highly regarded for their methodology and nonpartisan approach.For example, a 2022 Pew Research Center survey found that **72%** of Americans say taking in civilian refugees (which includes those fleeing violence/war, often overlapping with asylum contexts) should be an important goal for U.S. immigration policy. While it doesn't break down specifically by race for this exact question in all releases, Pew's data on related refugee/asylum views often shows white Americans aligning closely with overall figures or slightly lower than minorities but still with majority support in many cases (e.g., majorities across groups favor safe conditions and processing for asylum seekers). Earlier Pew polling (e.g., 2019) showed large majorities prioritizing more judges for asylum cases and safe conditions for seekers, with broad support including among white respondents.Other polls reinforce this:- A UC San Diego U.S. Immigration Policy Center poll found **73.4%** of Americans agree the U.S. should provide access to the asylum system for people fleeing persecution/violence, with majority support across parties (including 57% of Republicans).- A Los Angeles Times/YouGov poll showed **55%** support for continuing to offer asylum to those at the border fleeing persecution (crossing party lines, though stronger among Democrats).These are from reputable sources like Pew (gold standard for public opinion) and others with large, representative samples. Note that views can vary by wording—support is often higher for the legal *right* to apply/process claims than for unrestricted entry or specific groups—but multiple polls show majority backing for the core principle of asylum access, even if partisan divides exist.
>>524639960For opposition to "drug boat bombings" (U.S. military strikes on suspected drug-trafficking vessels, as in recent Caribbean operations), several polls indicate most Americans oppose or are divided but lean against lethal/extrajudicial strikes:- A **Reuters/Ipsos poll** (November 2025) found **51%** of Americans oppose military strikes/killing suspected drug traffickers without judicial process (only 29% support, rest unsure). This shows majority opposition to the more aggressive "bombing" approach.- Other surveys (e.g., YouGov/Economist, Data for Progress) show divided views, with some approval for attacking boats (around 48%) but strong opposition to killing survivors (59% say unjustified) or viewing strikes as ineffective/unjustified without due process. A Data for Progress poll had a slight majority (by -1 point) opposing bombing suspected drug boats, with high concern for legality/evidence.These come from established pollsters like Reuters/Ipsos and YouGov, reflecting public skepticism about extrajudicial military actions against alleged drug boats, despite broad agreement that drug smuggling is a serious problem.Overall, reliable studies (Pew, Reuters/Ipsos, etc.) consistently show majority support for asylum rights/access (often 55-73% across Americans) and majority or plurality opposition to aggressive boat bombings (around 51%+ against without process). Views shift with specifics, but these are among the more credible recent examples. If you'd like links to full reports or more details, let me know!
>>524639960>>524639999I'm not arguing with ChatGPT, faggot.
>>524639947>You think that means we should give up our country now? You think that means you "deserve vengeance"? You think that means you are now entitled to my country? That's not how the world works. You can believe in refuge rights and also believe retributivism, moral responsibility and or dessert is false.
>>52463821699.9% of all asylum requests are fraudulent and rejected. You're brown and you're never getting into my country again.
>>524640041bye loser
>>524640084>You can believe in refuge rights and also believe retributivism, moral responsibility and or dessert is false.I believe countries are ethnicities, and the borders an ethnicity has. Minorities are tolerated in many cases, but they don't get to take the wheel. Destroying my country because of some perceived entitlement of vengeance is not something I or any rational person will be agreeing to anytime soon.
