The Holy Grail of talmudic prophecyi just got into a heated debate with my aunt over property taxes. i asked her why is she renting her own property from the government? she says it pays for your roads, i said no, thats what income tax, gas tax, sales tax, is for. she said people have been paying property taxes since the beginning of this nation, i said lol no they fucking havent. then she said well theyve been paying them since before you were alive. so, what, that makes it okay then? that i can never be a free citizen who can build myself a home and find my great great grandkids living there one day, but just be some cheap replaceable commodity, a hotel guest who can stay as long as he pays his bill? shouldnt i own the hotel? there is no waking these people up. none. the christcucks are the worst among them ive found. just because they dont want fags in schools doesnt mean they arent loyal to the death to everything zog and jews. they will deprive themselves and of the very wealth which is necessary to break free of this system of enslavement, and even go so far as fund their enslavers directly. there is no "legal" solution.
>>524642454Youre right but most people arent as dumb as your aunt. Everyone is disgusted by property taxes. Everyone knows that property taxes are a treasonous policy which amounts to warfare waged against the american people. *everyone* except your aunt who must be dumber than a box of rocks OP.
>>524642454>hats what income tax, gas tax, sales tax, is forIncome tax doesn't pay for anything either
>>524642454try suggesting that services should be pay per use and cut off if you dont pay for them in your property taxes. most people cant even imagine how it could work....despite it being like that for everything else in your life. sad
>>524643104you would think "everyone" would be a rational person, but no, "everyone" is my aunt. they pay.
>>524643753Nah. Its only boomers who are happy to pay because their ill gotten gains keep them at the top of the pecking order, and property taxes are just woven right into their sufficiency model - a model that no one else can afford because boomers destroyed the ladder that they themselves climbed up. Boomers know this, and their narcissism finds them in support of all the mechanisms which continue to poison the nation's lifeblood.
>>524644133christcucks ARE the boomers, thats why they never seem to die.
Leave your aunt in peace. She's not your personal debate outlet. Get off your ass and go to a city council meeting, planning and zoning meeting, county commission, run for a position. Usually you can get 145 votes just by going door to door talking to people. Your aunt isn't a change agent and she probably hates talking to you because you think your have superior insight when you don't actually do anything. Go do something and argue with those that make the rules. Narcissist traits are so exhausting.
>>524644975>you must not have hypothetical conversations about this subject because im a tax collector so shut up>you must just go vote your way out of troublehere he is, as usual.
In the UK our property tax is called council tax and it pays for the emergency services, bins and administration. Averages about £2k a year
>>524645550i notice that they never steal your house for non-payment, which is nice
>>524643104>>524642454Ops right, kill the bitch. I'm sick of with these retards
>>524644975I honestly hate people like his aunt. I don't give a fuck what the rules are. Let's learn how to break them.Fucking Lawful Stupid and Lawful Good over here think they have the solution to all by.... playing their game and or providing lip service to something they don't even like that much but are just invested in.
>>524642454Christ taught the opposite of worldly dominion dumbass. You're probably a jew yourself tho so it's a moot point.
>>524646457>ChristTell us what Buddha to tsun tzu said faggot cultist
>>524646457>godshitshut the fuck up you holy war retard. open your fucking eyes and accept that your government is assraping you and your lineage ACCEPT THE ASSRAPE
>>524646316I mean, the fucking nerve you get told to go be an activist and most "adults" don't even think hard enough to get a decent opinion on the system the laud.You just want honesty and some level of discussion and all you get are "let's not rock the boat or be unkind to people" kind of comments because you realize most people are pendantic shit heads that like their boring life where they can afford just slightly more that someone else, and then tell a richer or more capable man to go do more.
This is NOT what jewish prophecy claims.Remember, the whole point of the garden of eden narrative was that the serpent gave the people knowledge knowing they would abuse it. this is specifically about the jewish people.right now they claim to be the only group that has prophecy from God. And they were given this power because the serpent knew they would abuse it.the problem is that the serpent would only do this if he knew the outcome would be better for him.its because of this that all the later Jewish prophecy points to the souls of cain (europe) becoming the priestly class isntead of the root of Abel (judeah).
>>524643158>Income tax doesn't pay for anything eitherIt pays for debt service, that's it. Debt pays for the actual spending. Anyway, the gov dies provide a service in the sense of deed recording and enforcement, it's not unreasonable for a property tax to pay for that service. But it should be trivially small like $200 a year.
>>524642454If the state was using the money from said taxes to TND and gas the kikes would you have a problem with the taxes?
>>524642454Land value taxes (only tax land, not improvements) are the single best tax base, because they improve economic productivity by forcing land to be put to good use.
>>524644734theyre like, so close. but christianity is the impediment which drives them right into the open arms. those evil men would have no room to breathe were it not for christians protecting them. theyve had something like 1,030 opportunities in 109 countries. and every time they allow them they to persist in their ways, rather than deal with the problem by force. yet they have no problem using force when its in the jewish interest, makes no sense.
>>524644975the elections are rigged, those people at the city council dont owe me shit. you know how i know? because i grew up in the city council chamber, friends and family members were on the council. and higher too.
>>524648517>Anyway, the gov dies provide a service in the sense of deed recording and enforcementThat's what you think. I had a property dispute with a neighbor and had to pay for my own survey and take him to court because the town's tax map has no force of law. You pay for deed recording when you purchase a property, there is no reason to pay an annual fee to keep your property.>>524648757I get the argument he makes, but the logical conclusion is that everyone except for the wealthy end up living in hives and we go back to victorian england.
>>524645550what is the purpose of taxation if your government/the private jewish bank which owns it can print money?
>>524650353>we go back to victorian england.The problem with old england (and current england to a lesser extent) was that landlords owned huge amounts of land and could extract the wealth of the workers through land rents.Land value taxes obliterate the possibility of any person to extract land rents for themselves. They get redistributed back to society, ideally as a dividend for every citizen. The people as a whole become the landlord who profit off land rents, rather than individuals claiming the wealth of others for themselves.
>>524646457>a jew agrees with jewsshocking
>>524642454Without a tax on land, jews would own all land. You are a literal retarded niggerfaggot.
>>524648578yep. i should not be in debt just for the crime of being born.
>>524642454Even bigger slavery is fiat currency, income tax, and the fact that our governments are all Zogged
>>524642454>a heated debate with my aunt over property taxes. i asked her why is she renting her own property from the governmentYou're lying. I put my main residence in my and my mother's names because where I live old people are exempt from property taxes.
>>524646643I have no lineage and it's not my government. Why should I care? I owe nothing to you or this country or this world. You pin yourself under it's definitions and expectations so don't try to extrort me into it also. I don't care for your misguided plight.
>>524642454>income tax, gas tax, sales taxthose go to the stateproperty tac go's to the town you live in and pays for your local roads, schools, water, sewage, snow removal etc.you're aunt is right retard
>>524651187right, because taxes really stop the jews
>>524648757its literally serfdom, but atleast serfdom had the decency to tell you the truth, this is just serfdom with the addition of the lie you own property that you dont
>>524643104Question. How do we, as impoverished and landless wage slaves obtain property as soon as there's never again a reason or risk for trillion dollar holding companies to monetize it? They already own everything.
>>524642454You ought to cuff her to a table, pull her pants down and sodomize her poop hole relentlessly. Once you’ve spent a good few hours pounding it out ask her “see how bout them apples?” I just gave you the tax man treatment. But I bet by then she would have already gushed out her pussy from the thrill of being ass raped. Women are the reason we get legally sodomized by the government
>>524651346They ought to just parcel them and force you to pay maintenance on them. When you refuse you keep the home but are cut off.
>>524651291well where everyone else lives (outside of ma subjective experience bot land) old people still gotta pay. in fact, old people are the most likely to pay.
>>524642454Marx died in 1883.
>>524651509>how do I math?!11
>>524650660Has there ever, in recorded history, been a tax that only effected the upper class and wasn't used as a means to keep the working class poor? Charge a land value tax and you end up with the wealthy owning open spaces and the working class unable to afford anything bigger than a condo.
>>524642454Anon is finally beginning to understand normies.They are just animals that can talk bro, it doesn't matter how much you explain or teach them.The will default to there base programming.
>>524651879>how do i use loopholes and accountants to avoid taxes?
Property tax is worse than income tax
>>524651233That doesnt make sense.In theory property tax makes sense since the state should secure your ownership and general safety but the value should be really low
>>524651346theres a road repair bill in the state elections every year, theyre not local. its one of gavin jewsome's staple fuck you tax. always passes, roads are never fixed. money disappears. there was a pothole on the 101 capable of fucking up your car's axle for over a decade before finally, after 5 road repair bills, it was fixed.im sure someone, somewhere reluctantly has to use some of that money to fix a road, but hes so flushed with cash he pockets 99% of it, and waits as long as humanly possible to do his job.its too inefficient. that pothole wouldve taken 5 minutes to fix. dont need billions of dollars for that
>>524651977this. a tax like that would lead to people portioning land off for sale to industrialists, developers etc just like now. some kind of means tested property tax might be better because then you can take a break from working, retire etc, and not get priced off your land. in the end it all comes down to the rates that your land is taxed at anyway, and they'll always find ways to screw you that way. better to not threaten to take your land in the first place since thats the main hold they have over you.
>>524644133>Nah. Its only boomers who are happy to pay because their ill gotten gains keep them at the top of the pecking order, and property taxes are just woven right into their sufficiency model - a model that no one else can afford because boomers destroyed the ladder that they themselves climbed up. Boomers know this, and their narcissism finds them in support of all the mechanisms which continue to poison the nation's lifeblood.These Indian boomers are fucking pathetic.I had one tell me he wishes he paid more in property taxes just to keep everyone else poor.Removing all of the Indians from America wouldn't solve all of the problems but it would be a huge net positive.
>>524651819cool. that letter was published in 1928. it wasnt literally written in 1928.
>>524651977>>524652236That's the exact opposite of reality you braindead faggots.>>524652033That's one of the main reasons land tax is the superior tax, retard. There is no way to loophole.
>>524642454All those taxes pay for Israel, corporations and the elites anon
>>524642454>government raises property taxes above what you can afford>takes payment as charges against your home equity>after 20 year, the government owns your propertyoy vey! you will own nothing goyim!
>>524652122it seems like everyone has road issues except for me and 2 of the other surrounding towns.I guess I take it for granted. the roads are perfect in my town. we pool together with 2 other towns and buy a shit ton of hot top and every year and a certain number of roads are repaved.100% of that is payed for by property taxes. grants usually pay for bridge updates and there is only one left to be done.
>>524650084some of us are simply waiting for the order to strikewe know where they hide and how they function and who they pay to do their wetworkimho there is no law of warwe've been at it for 8k years at minimum and theyre winning
>>524651668this is why there are "back to the land" movements, because everything begins with the land.is there land? is the land not being used? start using it. there's jew land near me that's been owned since before i was born and is still undeveloped. sure would be a shame if somebody just started.... using what existed in the county they were born in! why, they might have some sort of CLAIM to that or something. maybe if enough people started doing this, the rest would take notice, and we could finally pass those pesky laws which strip ownership away from corporations and revert it back to the people. also, of note: if land is not being used, it is unowned. there is no such thing as "owning" land. it's either used for a purpose or not. further, if someone is using land for a totally shitbrain purpose, or their use of it amounts of cordoning it off going "no no no thats mine you cant use it now," it's not being used: you are, and you should put a stop to the person using you.
>>524652097no you know what makes sense? one flat tax. and it should be based off of productivity, i dont need to be to taxed every time i want to wipe my own ass.
>>524642454>the idea of goyim property ownership is simply unsustainable. Jews believe they are destined to own everything in the world and have the goyim as slaves. The Talmud prophecies state that this will occur when their messiah arrives. This is why they hate Jesus and Christians so much. >The Jewish people taken collectively will themselves be their Messiah. Its reign over the Universe will be achieved by the unification of the other human races, the abolition of frontiers and monarchies, which are the bulwark of particularism, and the establishment of a Universal Republic which will recognize everywhere the rights of citizens to the Jews. >In this new organization of Humanity, the sons of Israel, spread from now on over the whole surface of the globe, all of the same race and of the same traditional formation without, however, forming a distinct nationality, will become without opposition the leading element everywhere, especially if they succeed in imposing on the working masses the stable leadership of some of their number. >The governments of the Nations forming the Universal Republic will all pass effortlessly into Israelite hands, thanks to the victory of the proletariat. Individual property can then be abolished by the rulers of the Judaic race who will administer the public fortune everywhere. In this way the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled, that when the Times of the Messiah have come, the Jews will hold under their keys the property of all the peoples of the world. > Baruch Lévy, in a letter to Karl Marx. https://craighutchinson.substack.com/p/the-secret-origins-of-bolshevism https://archive.is/wV8ayJesus wasn’t a modern day Talmudic kike.
>>524642454If there are no property taxes why ever sell. You can just rent it out to the peasants forever. Instead of paying the government you can pay the land owner which is the same thing your doing now. Historically things belong to those strong enough to keep them. You can try to defend your land from the whole world or you can try paying the protection money. Nature is not concerned with morality
>>524651524?It literally ends serfdom. You get neetbux paid by landowners, who are forced to do something useful with the property or sell it to someone who will.
>>524644720>christcucks ARE the boomers, thats why they never seem to die.>it's totally not the jews fellow goyim, it's the boomers and christians!Found the kike shill. You clearly don't know have the most basic concept of how the world works if you think boomers, as a whole, are a problem. Not only do you not know shit you're denying what you're eyes are seeing. Is the CEO of Blackrock a boomer and are all boomers CEOs of the large financial institutions capturing the regulatory boards in order to legislate their goals? You're a dumb bitch for falling for the "blame your middle class neighbor because they're boomers" shit. Politics doesn't matter unless you're funding political campaigns. Jared Kushner isn't a boomer. Hunter Biden isn't a boomer. None of the faggot streamers filling your head with garbage are boomers. Your teachers aren't boomers. The cops aren't boomers. The average politician isn't a boomer. The entire generational warfare shit to redirect blame on to boomers/genx/millennials/zoomers/etc instead of the very few wealthy people controlling the economy is 100% a kiked psyop. >By a continuing process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. - John Maynard Keynes https://archive.org/details/a-history-of-central-banking-and-the-enslavement-of-mankind-pdfdrive
>>524648353Abel didn't sire any offspring you retard
>>524644975>Go do something and argue with those that make the rules.This. Property taxes are a local issue. They have names and addresses. Even Florida is abolishing property taxes. They'll replace it with a sales tax.
>>524652097>>524652572and even that is purposeless when your state can just print its own money. tax was only necessary when they couldnt. but if they can, inflation IS the tax. so then what then is the point of taxes still? riddle me that
>>524645685>i notice that they never steal your house for non-payment, which is niceIn the US, they steal your house and keep the profit. Some people should be hanging from street lamps. https://pacificlegal.org/property-rights/home-equity-theft/https://homeequitytheft.org/
>>524642454You had me but than it turn out you are dumb fuck.Nice try dirty jew.
>>524653232i think up here they sell it for whatver they can get at auction, take what they want then give you the leftovers and a nice dick in your ass as a thankyou
>>524651753Stfu subhuman nigger. All White men should put their mom's name on their property.>In 2025, property tax relief for seniors is widely available, with nearly every state offering some form of assistance to help older residents aging on fixed incomes. While the specific type of relief (exemptions, credits, freezes, or deferrals) varies, at least 38 states and the District of Columbia provide programs targeted specifically toward senior homeowners. >Notable updates impacting senior property tax relief include an additional $6,000 federal standard deduction for seniors 65 and older starting in 2025. Some states have implemented or are considering expanded relief measures, and many states allow local entities to offer additional exemptions
>>524642454AI slop is a cope for captchafags.
>>524652673or my family could just live in it, like every non-zogged human thru the history of the world wouldve done.
>>524653232>if a property owner fails to pay property taxes, the local government can eventually take the entire propertybased af. Either do something useful with your land or sell it to someone who will. Nobody gets special privileges on land.
>>524652442>That's the exact opposite of reality you braindead faggots.No it's not, it already happens with property tax. The reason why big ag is consolidating farmland and developers are bulldozing woodlands and grazing lands to house H1Bs is because generational owners can't afford the property tax and can't afford to compete. My position is that there is an inherent societal good in allowing people to have a couple hundred acres that they can put a house on, work the land, or preserve it without being worried that the state will come in and take it. I don't particularly mind property or land value tax if there was an irrevocable exemption for primary residences including a large amount of acreage (at least 100 ac).
>>524652727shutup faghave a jews suck baby penis to remind you who you are spiritually dependent on
>>524653603i am - im living on it with my family enjoying my trees and space and stuff. fuck you for wanting the government to steal it or some kike to buy it up to fill with jeets.
>>524653698>because generational owners can't afford the property tax and can't afford to competeEXACTLY. ive met several younger guys who grew up on the family farm and expect to have to sell of yet more acres to the big guys for that exact reason.
>>524653723If it's rural land that nobody really wants, then the tax will be low, so it's not really an issue.If it's highly valuable land, then it should be put to a better use, and you can move somewhere more rural if you want a lot of land.
>>524653723This is what the land value tax people fail to realize, the "productive use" the land will be put to is low-income housing, ai data centers, onions fields, or country clubs. Go look at Texas for an idea of your future if you focus on nothing but the pursuit of profit.
>>524653949>Go look at Texas for an idea of your futureTexas has some of the cheapest cost of living and best jobs in the country. Is this supposed to be a bad thing?
>>524654109It's hell on Earth with every variety of brown nigger imaginable.
>>524653903>If it's rural land that nobody really wantsand then when the governmetn decides the place just cant live without a new housing center for immigrants i guess its time to get taxed off that land already. for the greater good!>you can move somewhere more rural leave the family home goy, you dont need a homeland; retreat even farther but dont get too comfy - we're on the way!>>524653949it all sounds like have nots thinking that anyone with a house and some land is the evil oppressors keeping them down, instead of property tax mainly fucking normal people that have finally managed to get a place and might actually want to stay there for a few generations.the only way to keep the state from trying to take your land is to disconnect the taxes from ownership, like in the UK, but go farther and make critical services pay-as-you-use like everything else. Car insurance works that way for example, as does road tax where i live.
>>524654109You are either a transplant or never lived their. The generational wealth of land ownership has been bulldozed to house jeets, paved over to drop chain restraunts and stripmalls, endless toll roads. The water is siphoned off for petroluem extraction or to fuel country clubs for the wealthy, soon for data centers as well. I'm 7th generation Texan with my name on the major medical center and I cry for what it has become. Our last holdout was recently overrun by vacation homes for san antonians when one of my neighbors sold and now they shit up the river all spring and summer. If you want to live in a concrete jungle surrounded by browns move back to new delhi.
>>524653603Eat shit kike faggot shill.
>>524654616I live in Houston. Land value taxes would solve a lot of this. It would force land to be put to the best use.For example, we should bulldoze a lot of the suburbs near cities, and replace it with high density housing.This would give the browns a place to live, and so the area left in the suburbs would be nicer. It would also be cheaper to live in a nice area, because the supply of housing would increase.Also, about water, anyone extracting the water out of the ground would have to pay a land tax on it. So people can't just profit off owning the land that water is on. Water would have to be put to a good use.>>524654355>and then when the governmetn decides the place just cant live without a new housing center for immigrants i guess its time to get taxed off that land alreadyEminent domain is not land value taxes. I'm just as against this as you are.
>>524654794Land value taxes are one of the most antisemitic taxes, as they hit wealthy Jewish landowners the hardest.There's a image floating around showing how the worst landlords in NYC are Jewish. LVTs would force them to improve their land to a level people are willing to voluntarily live in, while also generating massive revenue.
>>524654859>Eminent domain is not land value taxes.if land being desirable = increased taxation then they dont even have to use that power. ive got no problem paying reasonable levels of taxation but the constant threat of the land being taken if i eventually cant pay the ever increasing price is absolutely wrong. decouple the tax from my ownership of the place and i'll be pretty damn happy.>anyone extracting the water out of the ground would have to pay a land tax on it.i extract water from my well and profit by being able to stay alive. i dont think that should be taxed at all.
>DeSantis >"Christcuck"Only politician putting property tax death on the state constitution in 2026. Square it up OP.
>>524654859>Water would have to be put to a good use.The state already defines that "good use" as going to the most profitable industry that you can't compete against. These problems are exacerbated when you force a land value tax, because these profitable industries won't even have to pave the value of the improvements. Some out-of-state-backed data center will be paying the same rate per acre as a small rancher who now has to compete with argentinian beef. If you can't see how this funnels all land to the ownership of the most profitable industries then you really are retarded enough to live in a city named for that fedsucking turncoat.
>>524655116>decouple the tax from my ownership of the place and i'll be pretty damn happy.If we could just move buildings easily, then that would fix this. But unfortunately, the world doesn't work like that.The primary thing to see with LVTs is that it takes that same safety you get from owning land, and establishes it on a wider, more stable basis. Under a LVT system with a dividend, you and your descendants will never be homeless or have the threat of homelessness, unless you're literally schizophrenic or something.>>524655116>i extract water from my well and profit by being able to stay alive.I agree that you own the well, but you don't own the water, as you never created the water. Your use of the water, which you did not create, prevents someone else from using it. Thus, you should pay a tax on it according to the value of the water. If water is cheap for everyone around you, then this tax will be next to nothing. If you own the only water in a desert with a lot of people living there, then the tax will be large.
>>524655210>Some out-of-state-backed data center will be paying the same rate per acre as a small rancher who now has to compete with argentinian beef.based.If that farmer can't compete with datacenters, then they should sell their land.Then we can remove tariffs and everyone gets cheap beef from argentina, and cheap datacenters.Everyone except the farmer benefits, but even the farmer will benefit from cheap beef and a cheap data center.Nobody gets special land privileges.The farmer can do something more productive, if he can't compete with datacenters and Argentina. Combine this with a citizen's dividend paid by the LVT, and the farmer and their family is significantly better off, because they will never be homeless or starve.
>>524655406>prevents someone else from using it.not here it doesn't. literally impossible...and if i didn't create then no one else did either so im not sure why i should pay them for it for use at residential levels anyway>If we could just move buildings easily, then that would fix thisdoesn't matter at all. why should the state constantly get to increase my taxes year after year and also be able to take it from me if i cant keep up....especially when they are the ones driving the market which determines how my property is priced? its a circular load of bullshit all geared towards giving the state the ability to fuck normal people out of their homes. if thats not how the world works, how is it that the UK works exactly like that? they literally never take someones home or land away for not paying council tax. if they can do it, why cant we?
>>524655406This is just communist ideals applied to capitalism. You will end up concentrating wealth even more than it already it.
>>524655755Wealth concentration is only a problem if people can't afford basic necessities.If everyone can afford them, then it's not a problem.This also solves worker's rights, because companies would have to offer something better than sitting on your ass collecting neetbux and playing video games all day.
>>524655612>Nobody gets special land privileges.family homes absolutely should. people need a stable home that they can't be priced out of by governments screwing with the housing market and tax rates. like the other anon said - no tax on primary residences and attached land up to a good amount. 50-100 acres makes for a nice secure place.
>>524655751>not here it doesn't. literally impossible...and if i didn't create then no one else did either so im not sure why i should pay them for it for use at residential levels anywayThen that means the water is so cheap that a tax on it would be nothing or next to nothing, as nobody else cares enough to build a well.>if they can do it, why cant we?We can, but you'll make the current housing and cost of living crisis even worse, because now there won't be any disincentive to simply hoard land and collect rent. If you want to bring feudalism back, abolishing taxes on land is the single quickest way there.
>>524655958The problem with exemptions to the tax is that you create bad incentives.If you exempt single family homes, then most of the housing development will go to single family homes, which don't have the density to support modern population levels. So you'll eventually end up with a housing crisis similar to the bay area.Still, you're better off with the tax even if you do have exemptions, because whatever does get taxed is forced to be put to the most productive use.
>>524656028if its for primary residences then it wont>If you exempt single family homes, then most of the housing development will go to single family homes,no. primary residences>forced to be put to the most productive use.the state should not be forcing families to put their primary residences to any more productive use than raising their families and enjoying life. they would help do that by not threatening to price those families out of their homes.....like they dont in the UK.
>>524653705Only kikes stick up for kikes faggot. You can eat shit kike.
>>524654355>leave the family home goy, you dont need a homeland; retreat even farther but dont get too comfy - we're on the way!
>>524656423>no. primary residencesYou'll still have similar issues, as it'll create bad incentives. If you do allow ownership of flats, then it won't be too bad.>the state should not be forcing families to put their primary residences to any more productive useWorking a job at a company near the residence counts. "productive use" just means that they can afford the tax.If you have a dividend paid by these taxes, then for quite a few people, the dividend will more than cover the tax on their residence, and so they won't need to work. At least in the US, people have done some simple analysis and found that anyone with 2 adults living in a home worth less than $500k would make more in the dividend than they pay in tax.
>>524654859I can't tell if you're an idiot or just a shill.
If you are Jewish, you can get 0% interest loans at banks anywhere in America. South Koreans have entered the conversation on usury.https://x.com/badazn/status/1871065195143111121Do not show off your wealth around the Goyimhttps://x.com/AtRealBen/status/1902491540230189177Israeli citizens get fast tracked on American organ wait listshttps://x.com/BillSwa94883310/status/1902531642821881865
>>524656989Why?That image you posted is basically right. You're far better off with high density apartments.
>>524655958>no tax on primary residences and attached landThis is a no-brainer. There is tons of land that's used for commercial or industrial purposes, they should be paying taxes. Or the very wealthy who can afford multiple homes for vacationing. Homeowners should not be taxed on their primary residence, period. It's already a net liability thanks to insurance and maintenance costs and even though the land isn't economically productive, it's still being usefully employed by the fact that you have a family living there who are nurturing the future of the country. Treating your citizens as economic widgets is how we turned this country into a fucking shithole.
>>524654991>Land value taxes are one of the most antisemitic taxes, as they hit wealthy Jewish landowners the hardest.>There's a image floating around showing how the worst landlords in NYC are Jewish. LVTs would force them to improve their land to a level people are willing to voluntarily live in, while also generating massive revenue.You must be mentally retarded. Who do you think pays those taxes? Not the kike landlords. The renters pay the taxes retard.
>>524657469>The renters pay the taxes retard.Renters already pay the land rent, it just goes to the landlord instead of being returned to the people as a dividend.The landlord cannot increase their rent to cover the tax, because then they'd get more vacancy. Landlords are already charging the maximum that the people can afford. That's why you have poverty in the biggest cities, as rent always rises to meet the income of laborers.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_rent>The rent of land, therefore, considered as the price paid for the use of the land, is naturally a monopoly price. It is not at all proportioned to what the landlord may have laid out upon the improvement of the land, or to what he can afford to take; but to what the farmer can afford to give. — Adam Smith, An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations
>>524656887>If you do allow ownership of flats, then it won't be too bad.if its a primary residence then of course.>dividendits just more state wealth 'reallocation'. how about just leaving families alone in their own home and not threatening to take it away all the time?>>524657412>This is a no-brainer.you'd think so
>>524655116>ive got no problem paying reasonable levels of taxation but the constant threat of the land being taken if i eventually cant pay the ever increasing price is absolutely wrong. decouple the tax from my ownership of the place and i'll be pretty damn happy.Exactly. Everyone should pay their fair share of taxes, but it should not be based on land value. Income tax or sales taxes are more fair.
>>524657718>how about just leaving families alone in their own home and not threatening to take it away all the time?Because then you'll inevitably eventually end up with the cost of living crisis we have today. Without taxing land, you speedrun feudalism.
>>524657740>Income tax or sales taxes are more fair.Those reduce productivity.Taxing land is good, because the supply of land is fixed, and so it's supply doesn't change depending on the tax. The only difference is that the lend rents are returned to society, instead of being captured by landowners.
>>524657945>dont leave them alone = crisis>leave them alone = same crisisok>Without taxing land, you speedrun feudalism.primary residences. stop trying to extend what im saying please. i know you like state force but collector, leave those kids alone.
>>524652122>theres a road repair bill in the state elections every year, theyre not local.in pennsylvania those would only cover state roads and state highlights.
>>524652572the median US taxpayer doesn't pay 24.8% income tax lmao. like 40% of americans pay $0 in fed income tax due to standard deduction and various tax credits. i make $145k and i pay about $22k a year in fed income tax.
>>524658280If you'd agree to LVTs with a dividend on everything except primary residences, then that's a fair compromise.
>>524658461>the median US taxpayer doesn't pay 24.8% income tax lmaoim glad. thats pretty much my BASIC rate of provincial income tax lol
>>524658624depends how the rates work, and how the dividend works. i still think its better to simply reduce the amount of money that thet state lays claim to in the first place instead of them taking it and spending a sizable % to shuffle it around. also - no stealing primary residences no matter what. theres simply no reason for it. notice how the UK hasnt collapsed for lack of the state stealing their homes?
>>524652755True, Seth is the progenitor besides Cain.Also people who make these arguments are stupid because this is pre-historical times, we are talking more time between that and the bronze age than between the bronze age and us.Every man, woman, and child carries the genes of Cain simply due to time.Especially because the flood reset the world, we are all decendants of Noah via Shem, Ham, and Japheth.So logically we are all descendants of Cain since humanity hit a bottle neck like that.Overall I hate silly genetic arguments that go back before the bronze age because they are ruined by time.You can only start making arguments like that around the bronze age where we get the important prophets like Abraham from mesopotamia and the splitting of the semitic lines and such.
>>524658812The ideal tax rate would be a free market of people bidding on what they're willing to pay in tax. Whoever will pay the most tax will own the land.In practice, there's issues with that system, and so you need some local government assessment to approximate it.The UK is not doing very well right now. O recall seeing an image posted at some point showing that the average wealth of someone in the UK is comparable to Mississippi.
>>524648353All humans hit a genetic bottleneck after the flood.Either all humans have Cainanite blood because Noah was so far after that humanity mixedOrNoah had not Cainanite blood and therefore nobody is from Cain anymore.I say Cainanite (of Cain) to differenciate from Canaanite (bronze age).This argument falls apart from this alone.Even without the flood time and ethnic mixing inherently means that humans would end up all having Cain's blood and Seth's blood.I say Seth because Abel was killed before he sired any heirs if I remember correctly.Seth did have heirs and inherited prophethood from Adam.
>>524642454Lose the arrogance Try again as you’re speaking with an equal. Ignorance can be corrected You can’t fix stupid
>>524658968>Whoever will pay the most tax will own the land.and lets guess who that will be. its really that way already.>>524658968>average wealth of someone in the UK is comparable to Mississippi.im sure thats got a lot to do with the state not stealing their houses over unpaid council taxes lol. no, of course it doesn't.If the state cant take your house and land over unpaid taxes its a great way to incentivize the state to do stuff that makes people want to pay for their services. a captive audience living like tenants their entire lives is a nasty way to structure a nation. what a terrible power imbalance that is.
>>524659229>its a great way to incentivize the state to do stuff that makes people want to pay for their servicesThe problem is that if you allow private ownership of land rents, then any government infrastructure projects just end up increasing the land value of the land owners, who then can charge a higher rent because their area is nicer.Income taxes paying for infrastructure literally steals from workers so that the workers can be forced to pay a higher rent, or move out of the area they work.
>>524659353yes i know i remember you making this argument previously. but, and im not sure why its the case, you keep extending what im saying past PRIMARY RESIDENCES.
>>524659731I'm just talking about the nature of the problem of private ownership of land rents. If you want to exclude primary residences from the LVT, then you can do so, but the fundamental issues will still persist there.If people can understand the problem of land rents, then any small changes in policy like how to deal with primary residences is largely irrelevant, as people will generally support the policy of LVTs, rather than opposing it. People only really oppose it because they don't see the benefits of it, and only focus on the drawbacks in the extreme cases.
>>524659926>small changes in policy like how to deal with primary residences is largely irrelevant,good. then we seem to agree that excluding them from the states ability to take them in cases of not being able to keep up with ever increasing property taxes shouldnt be a problem
>>524660093I'd vote for a politician that wants LVTs, but exempts primary residences.I'd prefer no exemptions, but a LVT with exemptions is better than none.
>>524660409i think we finally got there. we'd just to hammer out the details.
>>524653698No, that happens because land speculation is more profitable than farming, you colossal fucking retard. Exactly what land tax prevents. Farmland has minimal to no property tax in every fucking state, niggerfaggot.
>>524660941so increasing taxation on land means that your small family farming son who inherits is more likely to keep hold of it instead of selling of acreage? this really isn't what ive heard from those in this situation. they dont want to sell and aren't looking to cash out.
>>524661080>I am an illiterate niggerYes, we know. And if you didn't have the IQ of a black turnip with down's syndrome that was dropped on its head, you would understand the difference between land tax and property tax by now.
>>524661080The way I see it is that LVTs ensure farmland is only owned by people who want to farm it.Bill Gates is one the the largest farmland owners in the US. He's not doing that because he loves farming. He's doing that because it's a good way to store wealth. He can just extract land rents from actual farmers, in exactly the same manner as a sharecropper.LVTs ensure that he can't make any money off of simply owning the land. They force him to improve the land, or sell it to someone who will.
The US debt is what kikes and their shit colored golem owe white people. We will collect.
>>524642454>there is no "legal" solution.What is the "law" if not a tool of unjust control? That's what it is currently.
>>524661365your rudeness definitely encourages discussion. well done eternal insufferable snarky leaf.> land tax and property tax by now.since we're talking about hypothetical ways to do things better, and if you'd kept up on the thread, you'd see that since the farm is located on the land in question, and that its within the 100 acres limit, it would be included in the general property tax and would therefore be exempt completely.>>524661492>only owned by people who want to farm it.they do, but unless they decide to try matching with the massive producers, which they can't do, the taxes disproportionately effect them and lead to the splitting up of the family farm. >extract rentswell, if its worth renting then sure. ive never said such land in that category should be held tax free anyway.
>>524661939You're a fucking retard, that's why you get called a fucking retard. Kids inheriting farms and selling them are doing it because of INHERITENCE TAX not land tax you braindead queer.
>>524661939>lead to the splitting up of the family farm.I unironically don't care about this. Whether farmland is farmed by a family or megacorporation is irrelevant, as long as it's being farmed. If a corporation can make the farmland more productive, then they should do so.The farmers will never go homeless or hungry, because in the same way, there will be enough housing and food for everyone. Particularly if there's a dividend.
>>524662226that wrong too, as if the state should be trying to fuck people on capital gains tax when a father wants to pass on the farm to his son. what a joke. i wasn't only talking about inheritance anyway.you called me a retard because you're a nasty little fag who struggles to be civilized.>>524662405i didn't think you'd care about things like that.
>>524661939>>524662405Additionally, if farmland is rural, then the tax will be very low, and the dividend will more than cover it.If a farmer can only make $60k/year off of some land, then they might only be willing to pay $3-5k/year in tax to live own that land. The dividend will likely cover far more than that. So the farmer would not just pay effectively 0 taxes, but would make more money than they make now.
>>524645550>it pays for the emergency services, bins and administrationIf you live in Bradford or Birmingham it pays for mansions in Kashmir kek
>>524662765thats sounds good but why collect from them in the first place then? whenever the state takes a dollar it spends some of it just to shuffle it around and get it back to people. thats a waste.
>>524663091You could simply discount the dividend paid by the tax of any land they own. This is really just an accounting issue.
>>524663335yeah fair enough.
>>524663335you know, one of the thing i like about the way property taxes are done where i am is the low income reduction they do. below a certain income you can apply for upto $400 off. thats a step in the right direction.
>>524663091it's a legal tender and negotiable instruments scamwe have debt based currency that doesnt meet the requirements of legal tender ie no date at which debt is to be paid back nor means ie lawful money
>>524653469>wikijudeayou write that yourself?
>>524661492>They force him to improve the land, or sell it to someone who will.You mean, or rent to someone who will. LVT in no way prevents monied interests from monopolizing land ownership. LVT proponents are as braindead as commies in that they cannot see the logical conclusion of their policies.
>>524665365What's the purpose of denying the reality of tax breaks for senior citizens?
>>524642454>she says it pays for your roads, i said no, thats what income tax, gas tax, sales tax, is forYou're wrong. Property taxes pay for the local municipality; sales tax generally pays for the state, and income taxes pay for the federal government.If you go to the website of your local American city, you can see the budget, which shows how much they bring in via property taxes and fees, and what the money is spent on.
>>524644133The boomers didn't climb the ladder. The boomers were placed there by the Greatest Generation, the men and women who survived the Depression and The World War, who knew how to build a Great Society. They placed the boomers on the ladder.
>>524658461I pay $122,000 in tax on $345,000 income. Entirely too much.
>>524665440They can't make money off that land rent, as the tax will rise to meet any land rent. If they build housing to rent out, then that's fine and is the intended purpose of the tax.
>>524666198I make 505k and pay 90k
>>524666066Correction accepted.
>>524656557i guess the mcqueefbot is not programmed to appreciate irony>>524659088no, not all humans, the hellenes flood myth (one of the sources jews plagiarized for their flood and origin stories) states there were the progenitors of the hellene race who survived the last flood, among whose offspring included the ionians, aeolians, and achaeans. and from all the descendents of the other peoples not borne of Deucalion and Pyrra were mud people who immediately sought to corrupt whatever was new or fair, and made crude immitations of the Hellenes works, like the muddied versions of what was real. we can interpret this as the inferior races, or most specifically, people without souls; npcs. i.e. people drawn to abrahamism, when anyone who retains some semblance of their primordial reserve memory as a non-npc would, would find abrahamism to appear both blasphemous and repulsive, a trick.
>>524642454>Property Taxes>>524643753>you would think "everyone" would be a rational person, but no, "everyone" is my aunt. they pay.Dont pay your land taxes and see what happensin 90-120 days you get a letter saying your land is going to be taken and auctioned off by the state if you fail to pay your taxes90-120 days after that your shit gets listed in the local paper as does any other property that is going to be auctioned offThe day comes and your property is auctioned off and someone comes along and pays the couple hundred dollars you refused to pay and they take your land and deed out from under you and then the following day can have you FORCIBLY removed by the sheriff dept or law enforcement.My wifes uncle lost his fucking land because he "forgot" to pay the land taxes. He lost 30 acres, a house, and shop to some motherfucker from out of state over $1600. That was family land that his grandfather split up and gave to all his kids. He had lived there for 20+ years and it had been in the family for 70+ years. That land butted up to all of his cousins and brothers ect. That dumbass could have asked any one of his relatives to help him out if he was low on cash, but no, that motherfucker lost his fuckin family land to some random (who) from out of state over pennies.Shit happens every fuckin day dude. Dont say i didnt warn you.
>>524666794That's retarded, they will absolutely increase land rent above the LVT. The people with large amounts of available capital will be able to outbid joe schmoe for the land and joe schmoe will be forced to rent the land from a landowner anyway. LVT does nothing to discourage rent-seeking. LVT is retarded and just encourages some chinese standard of living where the vast majority of people end up as worker drones living in hives. America is not a country for people like that, I don't care about being the most populace, most productive, or the most prosperous nation, rather the most free.
>>524668256>go in a coma for a year>wake up>go home>your home is now a mcdonaldstotal globohomocant ever leave and travel the world, go on an adventure, gotta be back to pay zog my property taxes
>>524642454Property tax is just a way to take land away from people so you never really own the land.Those faggots never want to admit that.
>>524668454LVT can't be passed onto renters, because renters will leave and cause vacancy, which will cause the landlord to lose money.see >>524657669
