Dugin just presented middle-size victory for Russia. https://x.com/AGDugin/status/2005891277590573144Everything less than this is a defeat. xD
>>524660063He also said that SWO will end on 2050.They will need 6-7 years for Ukraine and then move somewhere else to spread HIV and Syphilis
>>524660063Two more weeks
>Net territory gain>Control ressource rich regions of UkraineIf peace is reached tomorrow, Russia is the clear winner here.Pretty sure they would love to control more, but they obviously can't: it doesn't mean they haven't won.t. neutral observer (fuck Vodkaniggers and Hohols equally.)
>>524660063Putin wants those 4 provinces in the east.The rest will be up to his successors.
Can we get to fucking Poland yet?The western world needs cheap non-jeet-retarded labor that will work 18 hours a day and live in a rented kennel just for the sheer privilege of not being deported back to its russian puppet state.It's one of the reasons why the 80s were so great in America. If you present this to the western population, they will help Russia invade them faster in fact.
>>524660868>his successorsSomebody tell him.
>>524660063>we just takin Moldova tooLmao
>>524660799We're getting a bigly win again you guys.
>>524660063if seen this map somewhere else
>>524660983/threadThere is not a single scenario where Russia cross the Dniester without triggering Romania and Moldova reactions. It’s more likely that Poland and Romania invade Ukraine before Putin achieves half of what OP claims
>>524660063>lets start a war and lose our global reputation over a bunch of land with nothing on it - no industries, no innovation, no amazing resources (which you are already over saturated with and can't extract or sell fast enough), no human capital, everyone is old, infrastructure sucks, as the entire region goes a japan-style demographic deathEpic XD imagine the banans
Who is Putin's successor anywayUsually there's an obvious no. 2 guy in the background. I don't see one here.(But then again I don't know much about Russian politics.)
>>524660063I thought they were going to take everything east of Berlin? What happened Dugin?
I can't tell if antiRussiafags on this board are shills or brainlets anymore. Everyone who's not a retard knows Russia has zero interest in conquering the whole Ukraine. They want the mineral rich regions full of Russians who already live there. The rest of Ukraine is an impoverished shit hole full of corrupt hohols whose number one economic export is their daughters vaginas for the sex trade, with drugs and weapons a close second. Russia has already seized 90% of their objectives. All they're interested in now is seizing the coast to keep the remains of Ukraine land locked and ensuring that the ruins are depopulated and kept free of NATO bases, which is becoming an increasingly irrelevant goal because NATO is already collapsing at the seams as the US empire continues its rapid decline and reorientation away from Europe while Europoors who are inherited their own security for the first time since 1945 are starting to comprehend they've totally fucked themselves by thinking the US would remain forever and that they're now destined to be an Islamified deindustrialized global backwater.
>>524661484>uhm actually we didn't even want Ukraine anywaysure
>>524661484>all their interested now is Odessalolhow nice of them
>>524660063Do you guys think he ever cared about his daughter?
>>524661484>Russia has already seized 90% of their objectivessuperpower at moving the goal post
>>524661484True. The only benefit of conquering all of Ukraine is the smaller border against NATO
>>524661890If they took Ukraine they'd have a larger border vs NATO.
>>524661484But they need to take the south to control all of the hoholian sea access and have a bridge to transnistria.
>>524661484I'm getting addicted to Zigger cope.
Surely they stop at the dnipro river and call it a day
>>524661209This is the power of leafs in charge of national resources. Beware, if you see a leaf in charge of any part of your government - run, don't walkThey are really this stupid for the most part
>>524660063Ambitious.
>>524660799Checked and rationality-pilled.
>>524661189>without triggering Romania and Moldova reactions.Romania will proudly offer its ass for the Russian cock and Moldova will keep quiet.
>>524660063>we can't force the riverclassico
>>524662258Probably. This is a propaganda claim you put out before you bargain for a peace treaty. The Dnieper river is a natural border for them and most of the people on the other side of the river are ethnic Ukrainians who prefer the EU to Russia and would be a pain in the ass to control.What they really want is the southeast which is largely ethnic Russian, has a bunch of oil under it and gives them a land route to Crimea
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>>524660799>If peace is reached tomorrow, Russia is the clear winner hereYou've got to keep in mind the cost of the war, they've still "lost" in comparison to the world where they didn't start the war and just spent all those resources/people on domestic growth. In the industrial world fighting wars in usually not worth it
>>524663340This is an old gif obviously. It shows their invasion at the start of the war and the oil fields. They've largely withdrawn from the northeast; but they could push for it again which is what Dugin is threatening. The concept being that you should make peace and surrender the southeast so you can hold onto your northern oil fields.
>>524663442They had to keep Sevastopol in Crimea, its their only port in the west that's ice free year round and their only access to the Black Sea.That's why they offered the peace treaty before the war started that recognized they owned Crimea and kept Ukraine out of NATO. Those are those two main objectives, everything else is secondary; but they will be getting some new oil, minerals and farmland as well as a buffer zone between them and NATO and a land route to reinforce Crimea.They've paid for it; but they've gotten some benefit.
>>524660063>GrygućI wish I had more fists than two for faggots like him
>>524663442>just spent all those resources/people on domestic growth.Wars create jobs (not only in the military).It is unironically a good way to promote growth.Look at Nazi Germany: the economy recovered thanks to the manufacturing of weapons.France is the second greatest exporter of weapons, which is their biggest export.Germany is also in the top 10.They do it because making weapons is lucrative. They also figured out you don't need to be at war to make weaponry.Etc.Russia's economy is doing great right now.Their only loss is human lives.But, something neat about humans is that men are actually expandable for population growth.
>>524660063That's fair in my eyesUkraine is a corrupt hell hole of Nazis and fuck ups If Russia takes their land, it'll be good. I actually wish India did this to Pakistan soon. Time to stop letting the vagabonds exist at your door
>>524663963>Wars create jobs (not only in the military).Destroy a country and then rebuild it. Yeah, its a classic way to get money into the hands of government contractors.https://youtu.be/4j4Q6e_wbwM?t=4
>>524660913Indians are the only race smart enough to do computer science and hard working enough to work 12 hours a day 6 days a weekYou losers are cucked feminized bitches with no brains or balls.
>>524661189What do French know about wars... Sissy boyRomania and Moldova isn't going to stop mighty Russia you clown
>>524660063I wonder if Putin will off that old loon for stirring the pot a bit too much.He was tolerated well enough in the past, but riling people up may become inconvenient soon.Maybe killing his daughter was a signal, which the old man failed to read.
>>524661779Good.. Those virile Punjabi boys will impregnate the pretty traditional Russian girlsMatch made in Nirvana
>>524660063I fully agree with that. No Odessa = no victory.
>>524664551>I wonder if Putin will off that old loon for stirring the pot a bit too much.I think its calculated saber rattling. He's offered 3 paths to victory, the most conservative of which is the most likely and accomplishes Russia's actual objectives. The second scenario threatens to take the northern oil fields as well and then imagines them taking territory across the Dnieper that they don't really want and the final scenario proposes completely conquering Ukraine which isn't really something they want either.The effect though is that if you get the first scenario then you both claim its a victory and claim you were generous for letting Ukraine keep as much territory as you did.
>>524664492But the Romania and Moldova army are the most powerfull army in the world ! They must have 4-5 guns and maybe some ammo. Russia would get rekt !
>>524660699In 2 weeks the 2 week long operation will have lasted longer than the Russia's time in WW2
It doesn't seem realistic that Ukraine would relinquish territory that has never been under threat.
I came into the thread expecting to say one thing but I read the actual tweet and>All the rest scenarios (without Odessa) are not victory, but rather defeatAnd I have to agree with him.
>>524660063Russia has always been a dirt poor shithole but with those new territories.....who are we kidding? they will just remain the same poor shithole only a few % bigger.
>>524664551What a delusional, childish outburst of a post.
>>524665095I guess the first question is can Russia gain Odessa. The second question is, if Russia can take Odessa, will it take 2 years and 1 million more dead?
russian 'elites' are truly delusional, dumbfuck cocksuckers. Niggers in everything but skin.
>>524660063>ears below eyeline>black eyesI AM NOTICING
>>524660063>duginSomeone send picrel to that nigger-lover.
>>524663646Ukraine couldn't join NATO while Russia held Crimea, since you can't join if you have any unresolved border disputes. Taking Crimea was probably worth it, since everything went so well, but the special military operation was a mistake in hindsight. >>524663963Military spending does act as an economic stimulus but so would a similar increase in infrastructure spending, and you would directly increased productive capacity in addition to the indirect effects of stimulus.Plus that sort of spending is usually funded by debt (or things that are effectively debt, like deferred maintenance) is only debatably worth it long term. You could even consider the lost lives a kind of debt, since you lose out on all of their future economic potential. For exports from what I read Russian military exports were hurt by the war since it had to delay export orders to send material to fight in Ukraine.
>>524660063>Kherson>Odessa>ALL THAT TERRITORY NORTH OF ODESSAWhat the fuck? The implication being that if this is what Dugin thinks...
>>524660063Twitter is banned in Russia. How did he post? Why "elites" and "nationalists" allowed on twitter, while commoners no?
>>524666067It would be kind of funny if he used a VPN.
>>524666067Because yall are slaves
>>524660063Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk were already on the menu but after the attempt on Putin are no longer negotiable.Well done piggers! Say goodbye to Black Sea access! Enjoy your landlocked shithole!
>>524666596Ivan there's something wrong with your flag.
Dugin the anti-christ kike cultist?
>>524660063dugin is such a hugh faggot. take the w as long as you can take it. spastic.
>>524665225A war of attrition does not progress linearly.
>>524665828For the Ukraine Crimea has always been a clearly defined war goal.
>>524660063did shrapnel from his daughter's car bomb lodge in his brain?
>>524666699cyka blyat What's wrong with it?
>>524666789>muh anti christ!!This isn't middle ages and Spanish inquisition. Respond to his arguments instead of conducting bandit-like personal attacks
>>524661359It’s way too early to discuss a successor. Putin and Xi both intend to live to 150 with blood transfusions and organ replacement. We have them on video saying as much.
>>524660063So what were the Euromaidan protests all about way back when they happened? What did the protestors want at the time?
>we're getting Odessa because we just are ok?
>>524665964>Ukraine couldn't join NATO while Russia held Crimea, since you can't join if you have any unresolved border disputesIf they had accepted that they weren't getting Crimea back that would have settled the border dispute. Hence Russia needed to demand they wouldn't join NATO afterwards.>but the special military operation was a mistake in hindsight. They weren't willing to accept a NATO country on their border. They tried to get that through negotiations but Boris Johnson and Biden shit all over that process so we ended up with this stupid war. Its bad for Russia; but its a disaster for Ukraine.
>>524667772>They weren't willing to accept a NATO country on their borderor rather another NATO country on their border.
>>524661779you can always go back pidor
>>524660063It doesn't stop until the erasure of Ukraine and everyone knows it in deep down inside.
>>524660063>DuginWho?>Everything less than this is a defeat. xDYou cucks still haven't taken Lwow back from hohols
>>524668572we're not planning to either, we're not like youop btw is one of yous
>>524661359Kadirov
>>524668572Its always funny when Russians try their hardest to pretend they don't know who he is. Despite him having glownigger security detail escorting him
>>524660063Kek I like you guys but this seems fucking delusional. Odessa by 2050?
