Sometimes Redditors are so close to figuring it out, picrel.
>>524667478veganism causes brain damage
>>524667478portions were way fucking smaller. those jr burgers that you get at wendy's was considered NORMAL for adults back then. caloric intake rates were no where near as catostrophic as they are now.
>>524667478 They'll never make the leap to the well being poisoned.>>524668052>This is your brain on corn syrup.
>>524668052They used to be bigger nigger
>>524668052>haha yeah shrinkflation has caused our portions to increase goysfaggots like you will post nonsense like this right next to a thread with two big macs side by side by decade
>>524667478survivorship bias.
when you work on your feet and consume cigarettes all the time you can stay lean not eating corn syrup in every ingredient also helps and mass driving was only starting to take off, 50s fags still walked and moved a lot as suburbs began expanding, unlike today where you sit 99% of your life
>>524667478no corn syrup, gmo foods, less big pharma drugs
>>524667478Endocrine disruptors like microplastics reducing testosterone and other hormone imbalances each generation.I think the theories that all that caused leftism/feminism/troon stupidity need to be seriously investigated myself.
>>524668052Literally always wrong. It has to be on purpose
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA american thread HAHAHAHHAHAHA stupid fat fucks HAHAHAHA only your problem!!!! Another day i thank god I'm not fucking amwrican HAHAHAHAHA
>>524668052Wendy's burgers used to be big
>>524667478Anyone who uses reddit should be shot in the fucking head then raped
>>524668052Lying faggot kike. This isn’t true at all.
>>524667478Pic related was considered the fattest man in the world in 1890. Today he'd be the 11th fattest person in your local Walmart.
>i keep hearing on the news no one wants to buy our food abroad, i just don't get why they hate us so much
>>524668921Weird take from a Romanian. Last I read, Romania has one of the higher obesity rates in Europe.
>>524669003wendys patties were square so they would hang over the bunthis is said multiple times by dave thomas himself during wendys training videos you can find on youtubenow the patty doesnt even touch the edge of the bun
>>524667478If i earned enough to support a family of 5 and a house i wouldnt eat as much from stress either
>>524668052>portions were way fucking smaller.They weren't. It's literally just because everything you eat is sweetened with high fructose corn syrup. Which also just leads to idiots eating solely carbs because they taste sweet.
>>524667478viruses were weaponized and the boomers refused to vaccinate
>>524669356Portions were in fact bigger in the past. Shrinkflation has been going on for at least twenty years.
>never got drunkMy 70 year old father would drink half a bottle of whiskey by himself before going to sleep and then he would go to work at 5am like nothing happened.The reason why people think boomer never got drunk is because they were drunk 24/7 lmao
>>524668052eat shit retard
Cause sugar is in EVERYTHING now via high fructose corn syrup. Not to mention every drink from Starbucks to Dunkin Donuts is like 1000 calories of pure sugary shit.
>>524667478because when whites are free to roam around that also correlates to a higher serial killer rate... why they flooded niggers everywhere
>>524669160Hey! He looks like me!
>>524667478Modern food is shit, physical education being centered around team sports (ie middleschool clique bullshit) rather than personal development etc are all major factors, but by far the most important is chronic high cortisol. Cortisol is a hormone produced in response to high stress. If high levels are maintained over long periods during growth it leads to an irreversible "skinnyfat" physique, "brain fog", fatigue, premature aging etc. In short, all the diseases associated with modernity.Not only are you being taxed to fund your own demographic replacement while the political class debate drafting you to fight Russia (ie to dispose of you), not only is your future wife out fucking chad while you spend all day working to make yourself a better person for her, not only will you lose your career or potentially risk prison for speaking the truth, but on top of that, the stress that all of this induces is irreversibly mutating your body and transforming you into a goblinoid who will be even less capable of fighting back. The fact that your own body punishes you for successfully enduring difficult conditions is one of life's cruelest jokes.
>>524668052McDonald's burgers have shrunk in size, and they add sawdust now.
ULTRA PROCESSED foods> By the mid-1970s, women spent much less time cooking1970s-1990s An Ultraprocessed Food Explosion> innovations in fertilizer, pesticide and crop development> corn and wheat supplies roughly doubled between 1970 and 1990> those grains were transformed into cheap ingredients like high fructose corn syrup, vegetable oil and modified starch.> Between 1970 and 1993, high fructose corn syrup consumption among U.S. children and adults increased a hundredfold.> By the late 1970s, televisions were ubiquitous in American homes.> Elementary school students spent more time in front of the TV than in school, viewing thousands of commercials for sugary cereals, candies and fast foods every year.> Food companies knew they could “own you from the very early years"> Kraft, owned by Philip Morris,> Kraft, owned by Philip Morris,> Kraft, owned by Philip Morris,> Kraft, owned by Philip Morris,> Kraft, owned by Philip Morris,> Kraft, owned by Philip Morris, created Kool-Aid flavors for the Hispanic market and handed out coupons and samples at cultural events for Black Americans.> In the 1980s and ’90s, manufacturers owned by tobacco companies developed more products with increasingly irresistible combinations of sodium, fats and carbohydrates.> Their competitors followed suit.you don't even realize how WARPED your mind isdo you use words like "snack" or "meal" ?surprise! you have been unwittingly brainwashed by jewish marketing
>>524668921Don't you need to save for a month to buy fast food anyway? Congrats on eating gruel and being rail thin because of it, I guess.
>>524668052>portions were smallerLMAO, the portions back then made the shrinkflation shit we have now look like Mount Everest, and it was higher quality.
>>524668052No. Ancient accounts of Mongolians reported that they ate ten pounds of meat at a time.
>>524667478Smoking caused less cancer than obesity.Smoking also caused more lung cancer.both of these things can be true.
>>524668052A baked potato has ~150 calories, if you slice it up and fry it in seed oil it becomes ~450 calories. This isn't rocket science, they put seed oils and corn syrup in everything.
People used to beat their kids (and sometimes wives) if they ate between meals. Now people snack all day.
>>524669356its not sugar water its goy bean oil. everything has it, it makes rats really fat then skinny then they die it does the same to people wowie
>>524668052They were actually much larger. 100 years ago the average American ate twice as much meat as we do today.
>>524667478>processed meat>bacon, sausages, pork, beefprocessed means chemically processed, not mechanically.grinding something up does not make it processed, we don't call pepper "processed pepper".
>>524671038>its not sugar waterIt objectively is. You put sweetners into everything and are delusional if you think it isn't the primary cause of the increase in obesity. Seed oils aren't healthy either, but HFCS is the main issue.
>>524671135>100 years ago the average American ate twice as much meat as we do today.And basically zero starch flavoured with corn syrup and dyes. Ironic that an actual burger is possibly the healthiest thing in a lot of people's modern diets.
>>524668812Not wanting to look like an ugly smelly manigger monkey gorilla is what inspires trannyism and effeminacy.Speaking for myself.
>>524668052Fuck outtahere their burgers today are what a White Castle slider used to be.
>>524667478>a long ass list of things you could try doing>refuse to do any of itI recommend starting with the walking. Follow it up with eating actual nutritional food(your body will be chasing protein).
>>524668052>WHERES THE BEEF??Lmfao lil zoomie bro has no fucking clue. Frfr mindrotted in to oblivion. This lil nigga is just straight wrong and retarded lol
>>524671190>>>524671038(You)>>its not sugar water>It objectively is.it objectively isnt, you know how they reference wine all the time in the bible and greek histories? what do you think wine is made out of? (its grape juice) what changed when health outcomes changed is goy bean oil period, and there are rat studies that show they go through the same health rollercoaster humans do when we eat goy bean oil, we have always consumed sugary drinks despite what the media tells you water was something you drank when travelling long distances through the desert and coming upon wells to water your camels, most people elected for juice or vinegar water, water being a secondary choice is not really new in history access to goy bean oil is i drink mountain dew basically exclusively and am in incredible shape but if i eat too much junk food (you will find we define junk food as such when its shelf stable and the source of fat is goy bean oil if you pay attention) my body starts going to shit immediately
>>524668921>>524669220Haha, gyppo faggot pwned.
>>524671182you are correct but bacon is a chemically processed food its cured chemically
>>524668921why post garbage like this? just makes me think romania is a country of retards. wtf is wrong with you? nobody wants to live in fucking romania dude (other than child traffickers and pimps)
>>524671431>what do you think wine is made out of?Are too retarded to understand that wine is fermented sugars, predominantly glucose, meaning there's fuck all actual sugar in wine. White wines are supposed to have zero sugar for instance. The issue is corn syrup, you've even made a strong assertion that is entirely incorrect about it then act like you have some idea what you're talking about because you're too big a pussy to give up fizzy pop.
>>524671612What about uncured bacon?
>>524671182>processed means chemically processed, not mechanicallyNot true.>The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) defines a processed food as one that has undergone any changes to its natural state—that is, any raw agricultural commodity subjected to washing, cleaning, milling, cutting, chopping, heating, pasteurizing, blanching, cooking, canning, freezing, drying, dehydrating, mixing...>A processed food is any food or drink that has been changed in some way when it’s made or prepared. Most foods we eat are processed in some way.You're mixing up processed and ultra-processed foods.
>>524671612>its cured chemicallyIt's dehydrated in salt.
>>524671675you think they didnt drink the juice they made the wine out of? they did this is why "new wine" was so celebrated. we evolved to process fructose not sneed oils, people have always consumed sugar literally always common folk had vineyards
>>524671712>you think they didnt drink the juice they made the wine out of?My retarded negro, how much sugar do you think fucking grape juice has in it? Hint, your fucking 'juices' in America are mixed with 10X the amount of naturally occurring sugars. That's why HFCS is such an issue.
>>524671190this is loaded as fuck kid.it's been proven we actually eat less sugar than we use to eat, because people eat less fruits and carb spread than we use to eat.in fact old people use to eat a shit ton of sugar, just dropping sugar cubes into teas/coffees.what we never ate was the absurd amount of oil found in modern food.even if you differentiate between different types of sugar types, it still equates to roughly the same sugar intake from all sources.the average person ingest 140-150 calories more oil than we did before daily and people prone to excessive eating are therefore not only eating extra meals, but additional amounts of excess oil on those meals.I ain't going to shit talk some kid drinking a fucking sugar jew drink while the rest of the world eating gallons of oil every fucking day like it's water.direct citation 1978, the year vegetable oils became the norm in the average household, direct citation for obesity with 98% correlation as it became more common in each additional house as it is put in.
>>524671711>>its cured chemically>It's dehydrated in salt.the nitrates reduce to nitrous oxide which chemically binds to myoglobin in the meat forming nitrosylmyoglobin and nitrosohemochrome>>524671684>What about uncured bacon?that is unprocessed, i used to eat bacon literally everyday for years i avoid pork entirely now, this is mainly a semantic argument
>>524667478Binging is the problem. Even if someone in 2025 has the same diet for meals, they're also eating a shit load of snacks in-between.
>>524671844>just dropping sugar cubes into teas/coffees.Yeah, glucose. Not fructose. There's major metabolic differences. >it's been proven we actually eat less sugar than we use to eatNo same issue. Glucose has been replaced with fuctose in diets. You eat a shit ton more sugars. And it's an unhealthier variety.
>>524671842>>you think they didnt drink the juice they made the wine out of?>My retarded negro, how much sugar do you think fucking grape juice has in it?a lot thirty six grams per cup, what do you think the bacteria are fermenting into alcohol? you arent stupid for thinking the way you do about corn syrup but its not right, its literally just sugar from corn, weve always had fructose sneed oils are the variable
>>524668921Are you trying to assert that your nation is full of retarded monkey-brained gypsies like yourself? A worthless entity of bastards and peasants?That is what you are doing right now. Shut the fuck up, you uncivilized serf.
>>524671851>that is unprocessed,its processed physically but not chemically, and chemical processes are what people are talking about colloquially in regards to processed vs unprocessed foods
>>524667478.
>>524669921>>524668052The portions are smaller but the calories are igher because of whatever they put into the burger to make up for the lost meat, which fucks people up and makes you hungrier.
>>524668455>They used to be biggerNot for the stuff that matters. Back in, say, 1965 if you bought a Coke from a vending machine at a gas station it came in a 6oz glass bottle. 12 oz glass bottles were huge and you didn't see them often. Then came the 12oz can followed by the 16oz plastic bottle and now we have the 20oz plastic bottle. Over 3x the original size. That's just soft drinks. Gas Stations were not goy slop emporiums and 7-11 was not on every corner.
>>524671687butcher 6 years.federal laws are strict about how we label things.ground beef is not considered processed for the purposes of turning from beef to ground.we do not have to label it processed, while any additive means it is processed.i understand your semantic argument, but the FDA is fucked about this sort of thing in some ways and unfucked in others.like how almond milk cannot be called milk.milk is milk, it can never not be milk.almond milk is not milk, you can label almond milk, milk. almond milk is almond-milk or "alternative milk" or some other bullshit.this is one example of the FDA actually doing something where it actually makes sense.
>>524671931>a lot thirty six grams per cup,The fact you think that's the natural value of sugars in grape juice is why you are fucking retarded. No, your grape juice you're getting that value from is mainly getting it's sugars from corn syrup. And again the issues is fructose vs glucose. Not to mention getting into it grape juice wasn't available year round for most of antiquity. Limiting it's consumption to a few months of the year.
>>524667478people used to go outside and like... do stuff
>>524672172*gives you the gen z stare*
>>524672169>>a lot thirty six grams per cup,>The fact you think that's the natural value of sugars in grape juice is why you are fucking retarded.go to google and search "how much sugar is in a glass of pure grape juice" and the answer it will give you is 36 grams, there is a lot of sugar in fruit juices we commonly cultivated and we cultivated them specifically because they were high in sugar, sugar is the most basic unit of fuel there is. its unfairly maligned the same way fat is, its the goy bean oil again what the fuck do you think bacteria is fermenting into alchohol? it is the high sugar content, fruits are high in sugar they always were
>>524672169>>a lot thirty six grams per cup,>The fact you think that's the natural value of sugars in grape juice is why you are fucking retarded.you should apologize but you wont, i literally said you werent stupid for believing as you do its a common misconception that was pushed around here but you are confidently wrong and an asshole about it AI Overview A standard 8-ounce (1 cup) glass of pure, natural grape juice contains a significant amount of sugar, typically ranging from 35 to 39 grams, primarily natural fructose and glucose, even without added sweeteners. This high sugar content makes grape juice calorically dense, similar to soda in sugar levels, but provides polyphenols and antioxidants, notes Healthline
>>524671927that is still loaded as fuck though.the human body loves fructose.hell fructose is essential to male human reproduction in the case of seminal fluid and in the case of female reproductive lubricant.without abundant fructose, sperm cannot actively swim into a woman's vagina as they have no other way to ingest energy basically and they have no energy stores as far as I am aware. No one ever had lowered fertility due to fructose, in fact in all citations the opposite is true as men who eat an abundant diet of fruit to almost the absurd levels (note I said almost). actually show higher fertility levels.If you're talking about jew soda drinks, there are dozens of other citations for those drinks specifically that would cause obesity, heart disease, and low fertility before fructose.Phosphoric Acid on the other hand, while necessary for reproductive health is abundantly found in colas and is easily abused in excess.
more calories = fatter no matter what food you eat, how are ledditoids too retarded to figure this out
>>524672084>6oz cokeGrim
>>524667478I think longevity has almost nothing to do with environment. I would also guess that nutritional basedence instead of just consuming whatever makes you feel good is an error. The basedence varies wildly, whereas I now have a low heartrate and correct blood pressure by just consuming whatever I feel
>>524672375>If you're talking about jew soda drinks, there are dozens of other citations for those drinks specifically that would cause obesity, heart disease, and low fertility before fructose.i drink soda exclusively and am muscular with six pack abs, goy bean oil will make me fat if i consume it in like two days my abs will disappear and i will feel like shit. its one data point so take it for what its worth , i literally get the majority of my calories daily from high fructose corn syrup and have for years
>>524672278>go to google and search "how much sugar is in a glass of pure grape juice"Oh my god you fucking retard. Again it's glucose and fructose. Not just fructose. And that fructose is with fucking everything. Do you think that people in bibilical times were butt chugging 2 liters of grape juice with every meal?I'm not saying there isn't a substantial amount of sugar in grape juice (which is mainly due to more modern artificial selection of the plants), but that it was more glucose and wasn't in year round consumption. No shit sugary drinks aren't as bad when you consume them during a hot summer. When you drink liters of it's equivalent year round you run into issues.
I’ve never read as much retarded shit in such a small space of text in my life. It’s such a stupid string of brainfarts to commit to text. The real question is, if these are not bots how can these fuckers survive IRL daily life without drowning in the toilet bowl or something, whoever wrote that is a complete fucking cretin.
>>524672449Because normie thinking is about hacks and writearounds It's like in the past when people would sin and do hail maries and sin and do hail maries
>>524672278>>>a lot thirty six grams per cup,>>The fact you think that's the natural value of sugars in grape juice is why you are fucking retarded.>>524672531>go to google and search "how much sugar is in a glass of pure grape juice">Oh my god you fucking retard. Again it's glucose and fructose. Not just fructose.>>524672334>you should apologize but you wont, i literally said you werent stupid for believing as you do its a common misconception that was pushed around here but you are confidently wrong and an asshole about it >AI Overview> >A standard 8-ounce (1 cup) glass of pure, natural grape juice contains a significant amount of sugar, typically ranging from 35 to 39 grams, primarily natural fructose and glucose, even without added sweeteners. This high sugar content makes grape juice calorically dense, similar to soda in sugar levels, but provides polyphenols and antioxidants, notes Healthline
>>524672334>you should apologize but you wont,I won't, do you think we use the same grapes as they did in biblical times?
>>524672084Also we still sell little queer cokes in bottles and cans
>>524672531>I'm not saying there isn't a substantial amount of sugar in grape juice (which is mainly due to more modern artificial selection of the plants), but that it was more glucose and wasn't in year round consumption.you absolutely were saying that and now you are changing your tune >>524671842>My retarded negro, how much sugar do you think fucking grape juice has in it?i find you generally unpleasant to talk to
>>524672569>Oh my god you fucking retard. Again it's glucose and fructose. Not just fructose.Because it fucking is, fructose is just unhealthier than glucose.
>>524672084they used to have fountains everywhere that delivered free water to your lips at the press of a button
>>524672611>I won't, do you think we use the same grapes as they did in biblical times?yesAI OverviewGrapes haven't changed that dramatically at their core; genetic studies show ancient varieties are closely related to modern ones, with some modern grapes identical to seeds from the Roman era or medieval times, but cultivation, breeding (like seedless grapes), and winemaking practices have evolved significantly, leading to different tastes, sizes, and uses, though ancient types like Marawi are being rediscovered for quality wine.
>>524667478>Sometimes Redditors are so close to figuring it outYou ain't kidding OP. Recently I saw a thread "what's a U.S. city that is now awful" all the responses were cities like Memphis, Detroit, New Orleans. They were *so close* to figuring it out
>>524672621>i find you generally unpleasant to talk toGood, I hope you keep drinking soda and eating lots of corn syrup to spite me.
>>5246674781. Adult obesity is a direct result of childhood obesity. The number of fat storage cells in a person's body can vary during childhood but remains more or less fixed from puberty through the rest of their lives. Fat kids become fat adults and skinny kids remain skinny adults.None of the people who were adults in the '50s were fat kids, because they grew up during the Depression when almost everyone was closer to starving than fat.2. The people who were unhealthy in the '50s just died before they got too fat. The people who ate the shittiest diets and smoked a ton of cigarettes and constantly got drunk ended up dying from a heart attack or stroke or cancer or drunk driving wreck in their 30s or 40s before they had a chance to get too fat.
>>524672712i will
>>524672450it was a nice sweet treat, not a damn meal substitute
>>524672669>AI OverviewAI is retarded then. Muscat grapes, the ones we use for their sweetness, weren't recorded on until the 13th century.
>>524667478simply because of the HFCS added in everything mutterican, plus all muh starcucks and the likes.I'm very fit even last time I hit the gym was a year ago, I remember years ago I got those whatever drink from starcucks just because I had a gift card, it was too sweet I couldn't sip twice, and I see people jugging that twice a day.notice, hispanics or asians born here are obese too, not there.
>>524672811grapes like all fruit commonly cultivated were always high in sugar, otherwise they would be no good for drinking or making wine with you have straight up been caught lying over the course of our conversation i dont think you have anything to say >>524672621
>>524668052I'm sure it has nothing to do with the seed oils, vaccines of people and livestock, argichemicals, jobs requiring you to be inactive and/or indoors, or the decades of mono cropping that have literally striped our soils and resulting foods of necessary nutrition. It's all about calories in/calories out. Glad we got to the bottom of that.
>>524672375What the fuck is this jewish nonsense?Fructose is digested into glucose like all complex sugars, but it needs ATP to be digested so it is energetically shitty, and due to it needing to be digested by using ATP it fucks up with how organism sees it as a sugar. It doesn't recognize it as carbohydrate, so it doesn't stop cravings for carbs.It is OK in fruits because you will never get as much fructose from fruit as you get from a glass of cola with fructose-glucose syroups. You would need to eat few kgs of fruit to get that amount.It has completely no influence on sexual reproduction.
>>524668646>when you work on your feetThis alone.Sitting in a chair looking at screens all day is only like a 20 year old phenomenon.In the 90's and early 2000's, even nerds would get bored after like three hours of screen time.Now it's considered good if regular people manage to get that much time off screen in a day.
>>524672856>grapes like all fruit commonly cultivated were always high in sugarYou just keep saying absolutely retarded shit. And again, the difference between seasonal and year round consumption. Not even touching geographical cultivation issues.
>>524672899>What the fuck is this jewish nonsense?Me want fizzy pop, me want fizzy pop!
>>524672845You guys are fucking retarded blaming HCFS for obesity when outside North America it doesn't even exist and other countries are on the same trajectory as USA, some more obese than USA
>>524669160that handmade three-piece velvet fat suit he is wearing would cost about $2000 nowadays and would be considered old-fashion reserved for the ultra-rich.
>>524667927Literally it does. You need cholesterol in your brain in order to have a functioning memory. Alzheimer's develops due to lacking cholesterol in the brain. The only way to obtain cholesterol is from animal products. Vegan diet means Alzheimer's at 60.
>>524672932>>grapes like all fruit commonly cultivated were always high in sugar>You just keep saying absolutely retarded shit.its true you cut off the common sense reason why its obviously true that i included in the comment you are replying to>>524672856>grapes like all fruit commonly cultivated were always high in sugar, otherwise they would be no good for drinking or making wine with>>524672932>And again, the difference between seasonal and year round consumption. Not even touching geographical cultivation issues.there were many ways to preserve the sugars from grapes such as making it into a dibs or must, wine itself was a way to preserve the caloric value from sugar rich fruits though that process ferments the sugars into alcohol so not directly related to our conversation but they did their best to preserve sugar year round as sugar is literally the most basic unit of fuel for all living beings, again you lied earlier in the conversation you were clearly under the false impression that grape juice was not high in sugar or comparable to sugar i showed you that it was and you immediately lied and said you never implied it wasnt. you are a liar >>524672621
>>524672503Sugar is basically just sugar m8.if you utilize sugar plentifully through brain or body usage (brain uses like 25% of your daily sugar) you will literally have zero negatives.assuming you are eating different types of sugar because certain sugars do have certain roles in the body.people shill high insulin etc, but literally just do not sit down.if you have a cup of coffee with some sugar and are literally going for a walk, the body isn't going to have some skyrocketing insulin response.It takes 20 minutes for sugar to start entering the bloodstream and 90 minutes to peak.so if you are working out 30 minutes after ingesting excessive sugar, you are quite literally using sugar as sugar levels rise.i swear these motherfuckers will read a study and not understand yeah no shit if you sit down and drink a gallon of sugar water. it would be bad for you.i think we can all agree with that.oils on the other hand.they take an hour to start absorbing and they peak 8 hours later.there is no way to adjust for that reasonably.in fact it's the largest factor for keto faggots being literal retards. so you eat a shit ton of oil, you go for a run and sugar levels deplete, now 8 hours later sugar levels have returned to normal and now oil absorption is at peak within the body.fuck oil lovers.never in history did people so abundantly eat oils as the average american does.not one citation ever in history.americans will eat in one meal more oil than an italian family will eat in a day and italians are notorious for excess oil.
>>524671712>we evolved…Derp. Found a monkeyfishcockroachy sea enema person following the pixie magic science here. Everyone laugh at him until he starts crying and we’ll call it a cult deprogramming intervention even though its just a good laugh. Monkey matey, nothing has ever ‘evolved’. It’s probably the single worst silly lot of absolutely deliberate bullshit that’s ever been made up.
>>524673128>>524672932i grow and process wine grapes btw in my backyard and am intimately familiar with the preservation of said fruits sugars, its not a complicated process and people have been employing these practices since bible times
>>524672975no it's not, check europe for example, check latam, check asia, just walk around forget around whatever (((stats))) are saying to normalize it, you barely see any fat person, meanwhile here, everyone is fat that being not fat will make you 10 immediately. People say we have incel problem, we have fat girls problem that most men will go after the minority non fat ones
>>524672975>outside North America it doesn't even existIt does in Saudia Arabia/MENA which has the greatest increase in obesity. >some more obese than USAYeah Pacific nations where's it's a genetic factor with canned meats.
>>524667478Sugar and seed oils in everything.Blue light everywhere affecting sleep quality.Endocrine disrupting chemicals everywhere.
>>524672449>>524672566you burn carbs quicker than fat, your body can handle much more carbs in your blood stream than fat
>>524673179you are a retard
>>524673128>there were many ways to preserve the sugars from grapes such as making it into a dibs or must, wine itself was a way to preserve the caloric value from sugar rich fruits though that process ferments the sugars into alcohol so not directly related to our conversation but they did their best to preserve sugarNo they didn't you retard. You are so full of shit. They had little to no control of the pace of fermentation until the 18th century. Fruit and vegetables was also always less sugary. Look at wild bananas vs modern cultivars. Or Pumpkin, or fucking corn. I actually hope you get diabetes.
>>524668052>they hated anon because he told the truthAlthough some stuff has shrunken, portions overall massively increased. The original adult meal at McDonald's was a single patty burger, small fries, small coke, basically a happy meal. Go to Europe or Asia and look at their portion sizes.
>>524673385>No they didn't you retard. You are so full of shit. They had little to no control of the pace of fermentationhas nothing to do with anything, drying fruit to concentrate its sugar content and lower its water content so it becomes shelf stable is a process thousands of years old and piss easy to do and figure out and they did and they called it must or dibs AI Overview.Yes, people in biblical times preserved fruits, but not exactly modern jellies or jams; they used honey and thickened grape syrups (called dvash or "honey") to create sweet, spreadable preserves and syrups, alongside drying, pickling, and fermenting, making fruit preserves a luxury and staple for winter survival. While the concept of preserving with sugar/honey existed (especially with quince in Rome/Greece), modern jam with pectin developed later, but honey-sweetened fruit pastes were common
>>524673205Asians have a very hard time putting on bodyfat. The fat ones are mostly mutts. They are still full of visceral fat which is why they get diabetes at such a high rate
>>524673459>, drying fruit to concentrate its sugar content and lower its water content so it becomes shelf stable is a process thousands of years old and piss easy to do and figure out and they did and they called it must or dibsAgain you fucking retard, the issue is it's fructose and it's added on top of your naturally occurring sugars.
>>524673385is honey more or less sugary now than it was or is it the fucking same? we had access to sugar abundantly but depending on what level of civilization you were in at the time if you were relatively on your own it was somewhat seasonal, but common folk had orchards and vineyards since biblical times they even kept bees for honey AI OverviewPeople first started interacting with bees for honey thousands of years ago, with cave paintings showing honey hunting from at least 10,000 BC, but organized beekeeping in artificial hives began around 4,000-4,500 years ago in Ancient Egypt, where Egyptians used clay/reed hives and managed colonies along the Nile for honey and wax, with evidence of more advanced management appearing even earlier in other regions like North Africa
>>524673554>is honey more or less sugary now than it was or is it the fucking same?It's more fucking common you retard. Holy shit you argue like a fucking jew. Honey used to be a rare commodity.
>>524668812That's one aspect of it but it's secondary to earlier problems. There are ancient figurines of obese people. So this is not a new thing.First was grains. Hunter-gatherers and nomadic herders are healthier than sedentary agriculturalists, and that started ~12,000 years ago (according to official narratives).Grains already contain anti-nutrients and opioid-like chemicals that deplete your mineral reserves and mess up your gut barrier and your brain chemistry. However, any slash-and-burn farming or monocropping depletes soil nutrients and makes the deficit even worse.Then you have pollution which started with exposure to two main sources: heavy metals and fungal mycotoxins.Heavy metals because of the advent of metallurgy and the fact that mineral depletion makes your body grab "lookalikes" (i.e. Zinc deficiency makes you absorb more Cadmium) to use them for the same processes. Additionally, oxalates (a common plant defense chemical in domesticated plant species) binds to them and stores them in the body if you can't excrete it fast enough. Also metals that are considered nutrients (like Iron and Copper) can act like heavy metals when they are absorbed without limit, which plant anti-nutrients like nitrites cause.Fungal mycotoxins because storing grains in warehouses for long periods leads to fungal growth and then you get stuff like zearalenone (500,000 times more estrogenic than BPA). From that you also got ergot that made people hallucinate and convulse, probably experienced at chronic low doses for most of the population.
>>524673541>Again you fucking retard, the issue is it's fructose and it's added on top of your naturally occurring sugars.fructose is a naturally occurring sugar and naturally occurs in grape juice at a fifty fifty ratio with glucose you dont have an argument and youve changed your argument from grape juice isnt naturally high in sugar to its actually the fructose! over the course of this conversation, i feel like im arguing with a child
>>524672449Obviously. But not all calories are handled identically by the body. 1000 Cals of lean beef and 1000 Cals of HFCS are processed differently by the body.
>>524673634>fructose is a naturally occurring sugar and naturally occurs in grape juice at a fifty fifty ratio with glucose>>524672899
>>524673623>>is honey more or less sugary now than it was or is it the fucking same?>It's more fucking common you retard.i didnt say it was more common back then or that its just as common now, but they had abundant access to sugars from honey and vineyards and orchards pretty much year round as long as you were living in at least a village as opposed to a tribe.goy bean oil is whats new, that is the issue my results speak for themselves i drink nothing but mountain dew and this is me >>524672733seethe
>>524672975Samoans literally have a genetic predisposition to get obese but on top of that they basically mainline American snackfoods like fiends.
>>524673723fructose occurse at a fifty fifty ratio in grape juice with glucose and always has you are legitimately an idiot
>>524673729>, but they had abundant access to sugars from honey>i didnt say it was more common back then or that its just as common nowDid they have access to honey equivalent to people's intake of corn syrup today. Yes or no?
>>524667478because of black people?
>>524673634Same with cane sugar, 50% fructose. vs HFCS which is a shocking 55% fructose (but also 10% sweeter meaning cane sugared vs HFCS drinks have the same level of fructose)
>>524673769honey and vineyards and orchards you cut off part of my reply as a way to deceive i bet you are a fat fuck irl
>>524673767>fructose occurse at a fifty fifty ratio in grape juice with glucoseFructose is digested into glucose like all complex sugars, but it needs ATP to be digested so it is energetically shitty, and due to it needing to be digested by using ATP it fucks up with how organism sees it as a sugar. It doesn't recognize it as carbohydrate, so it doesn't stop cravings for carbs.It is OK in fruits because you will never get as much fructose from fruit as you get from a glass of cola with fructose-glucose syroups. You would need to eat few kgs of fruit to get that amount.It has completely no influence on sexual reproduction.And which is more, 50% or 100%? C'mon retard, you can do it.
>>524673745The genetic predisposition is being retarded and lazy
>>524673783>Same with cane sugar, 50% fructose. vs HFCS which is a shocking 55% fructoseholy crap that is FIVE percent more fructose than the ratio of sugars in grape juice! you are right that IS shocking. lick my abs fat boy >>524672733
>>524673745Plus they eat shit like Turkey tails and Sheep belly as snacks.
>>524673805Yes or fucking no. Answer it. >ut off part of my reply as a way to deceive No, you want to avoid saying yes or no. It's irrelevant to my question.
>>524673820its still fifty percent of the total sugar in grape juice which we know even common people had access to thousands of years ago in biblical times which is the point, health outcomes started going bad around the introduction of goy bean oil into all our food, not sugar fructose or otherwise as that has ALWAYS been a staple of human diets its the goy bean oil
>>524667478A diet of hard liquor and tobacco is optimal, (((they))) don't want you to know
>>524673843>holy crap that is FIVE percent more fructose than the ratio of sugars in grape juice!No it isn't the mixture is 55% fructose and the rest is a little sucrose and water...
>>524673885no i would say we have more abundant access to sugar now but anywhere close to the degree the media makes out, water was never the preferred drink going as far back as biblical times, and wine or new wine (which often was just grape juice) was preferred. but increased access to sugar didnt explode our hearts we already had that for decades before health outcomes started rapidly declining, goy bean oil being present in all foods is what changed
>>524673895Goy beans lol
>>524673895>its still fifty percent of the total sugar in grape juice>More unhealthier sugar by volume. Would you say drinking more unhealthier sugar is better or worse?
>>524673822>https://www.uc.edu/news/articles/legacy/enews/2016/07/newly-identified-thrifty-genetic-variant-may-explain-samoan-obesity.htmlPolynesians used to sail almost blindly into the massive Pacific Ocean which over centuries selected for a mutation that increased nutrient extraction and storage so they didn't start to death while spending weeks at sea or on desert islands.Its like how the Nepalese can breath thin mountain air and people that come from sea level cultures can't. Samoans and the like absolutely have dogshit HFCS filled diets on average, but its enhanced by genetic predispositions.
>>524673947its still a sugar that has been widely consumed in quantity since biblical times its not anything new or interesting, goy bean oil is what changed its widespread introduction into diets is what caused the massive obesity crisis we are facing, its a modern thing, fructose has always been a staple of the human diet, and increased access to fructose and all sugars happened well before the obesity epidemic
>>524673974>noThere's your answer you blithering retard. Holy fuck.
>>524667478Are you kidding me? The 1950s was the fattest decade on record.
>>524668052All sweets made properly with custards and real sugars, not this overjuiced literal liquid syrup they're injecting into everything.
>>524674030>its still a sugar that has been widely consumed in quantity since biblical times its not anything new or interesting>consumed in quantity>>524673974>noWe have more of an unhealthier sugar in our diets. How is that hard to understand?
>>524674010>>its still fifty percent of the total sugar in grape juice>>More unhealthier sugar by volume. >Would you say drinking more unhealthier sugar is better or worse?i dont think fructose is less healthy despite your rambling about ATP but i think consuming excess calories from any source is obviously not goodits a false equivalence when talking about modernity though goy bean oil is the culprit, fructose has been a staple of human diets now for thousands of years of recorded history goy bean oil is what changed.
>>524673290Because modern women have daddy issues
>>524674035>>no>There's your answer you blithering retard. Holy fuck.you argue in bad faith and are already a confirmed liar, meanwhile my results speak for themselves fat fuck
>>524674017Trust me I know about them, there are more samoans in NZ than Samoa. They are an extremely lazy and decadent race, there's always an apologetic excuse about their obesity but in reality it's their own choice and if a white guy lived that way he'd probably get even fatter than they do
>>524674094>i dont think fructose is less healthy despite your rambling about ATPIt's metabolic fact that fructose isn't healthy.
>>524674170we have been consuming it as a staple for thousands of years goy bean oil is brand fucking new and correlates with the obesity crisis we are currently experiencing, i mean im not experiencing it i have visible abs you are experiencing it
>>524674120>you argue in bad faith>Let me whinge about how they had sugars in ancient times.>OK they did have less sugars available but...Fuck outta here cunt.
>>524673107>>veganism causes brain damage>Literally it does.It literally does.
>>524667478I've consulted the Higher Intelligences of Reddit and have formulated a response:Since we all know that America is a nation formed exclusively by immigrants, the more immigrants you have, the healthier your population is. As we all know, America was actually more diverse decades ago (the Black population was about 50% but has diminished due to increasing systemic racism). Thus, the logical conclusion you can deduce from this is that higher diversity = healthier population.Also, fat has zero scientific correlation with health.
>>524674214>we have been consuming it as a staple for thousands of yearsNot in modern volumes you retard.
>>524671844You are both right because its both. Refined simple sugars found in the majority of processed foods are terrible to consume and I am sure you know why from what happens in the brain, to organs to its process in cholesterol synthesis. Seed oils are fucking god awful if they are refined through hadronization processes which creates trans fats which are the literal spawn of kike deviousness just like refined sugars.The only good transfats is anything that is natural from animals. Any trans fats from a result of being refined by humans is to be avoided.
>>524674055>The 1950s was the fattest decade on record.Fuck no, obesity went from 10% to 13% over the decade in the US.
>>524673625All of those things caused hormonal imbalances. Many heavy metals and most plant defense chemicals are endocrine disruptors in some way, but mycotoxins are probably the worst culprit.America used to be relatively healthy in comparison to other places because we raised a lot of livestock, that led to a sort of pseudo-nomadic herder lifestyle in much of the country. However, that changed around the late 1800s if I remember correctly. The industrial revolution led to synthetic fertilizers, pesticides, feedlots, pasteurization, etc. Livestock got moved off of pastures and out of people's yards and into disgusting CAFOs.Then all the problems of the past several thousand years exploded. Lead was put into gasoline, used to make pipes, painted onto walls. Heavy metals were used in everything and the filled the air and water because of pollution from industry. NPK fertilizer allowed re-farming of dead soil almost indefinitely. Artificial pesticides such as glyphosate chelated any minerals that were left in the soil. Mycotoxins were isolated and put into implants to make cattle produce more milk. Growth hormones were injected into cattle to make them grow faster and also produce more milk.Then came plastics, which like you said became a huge problem. But plastics were only one out of thousands of chemicals that caused endocrine disruption, and the initial issue wasn't microplastics but plasticizing chemicals that off-gassed and seeped into food and human skin. Plastic breaking down and turning into micro and nanoplastics is drastically accelerating the issue. However, I think the sudden surge in cancers is due in large part to the literal injection of nano-scale synthetic polymer (aka plastic) bubbles into people's bloodstreams.https://www.biomestores.com/blogs/eco-home/pegs-aren-t-plastics-are-you-sure-about-that
>>524674292Yeah oils are bad too, they just massively increase your calorific intake with no appreciable nutritional increase.
>>524674256AI OverviewNet glycolytic ATP production" --> not refering to ATP ...Yes, glucose and fructose yield roughly similar net ATP from glycolysis (around 2 net ATP), but fructose's entry into the pathway bypasses the main ATP-consuming step in the liver, potentially giving it an edge, while in muscle, it still uses ATP, making the overall energy picture complex, with both eventually feeding the same processes for total energy but differing in control and immediate ATP balancethats in regards to your atp thing, >>524674256>Not in modern volumes you retard.there is roughly equivalent sugar content in a glass of grape juice as there is in a soda. post physique over all we probably do consume a bit more sugar now than in bible times but its not to the degree you think it is and this would have started literally decades if not a century before the modern obesity crisis started, its not the sugar of any variety, its the goy bean oil and mice studies literally directly show mice have similar health outcomes being fed sneed oils as their source of fat vs butter, they get obese, then they get real skinny and die two studies confirmed this i saw the dissected mice with my own eyes with massively increased subcutaneous fat vs the healthy control mice fed the same calories and the same macros but with butter the source of fat vs seed oils, it is what it is
>>524674416>but differing in control and immediate ATP balance>there is roughly equivalent sugar content in a glass of grape juice as there is in a soda.Which we have already determined, and you agreed with, that they had less access to. And again, fructose vs glucose (and sucrose too).
>>524667478>>524668052I tried eating a wendies cheeseburger in the usa last year. Could not finish it it was just so greasy and disgusting. I can eat 2 of them easily in. Canada. Something is fucked with your fast food. Do they just Cover everything in butter and fat?
>>524674544you are just wrong and i think i demonstrated that in several ways, you demonstrated that you are a liar who argues in bad faith and simply cant stand to lose an argument me i dont care, im gonna leave let you have the last word so you can feel good about yourself becuase im literally positive lurkers who read this thread will realize you are dishonest and dont know a whole lot and will focus their dietary efforts on avoiding seed oils and will be less distracted by sugars which are pretty innocuous and thats what matters to meenjoy avoiding sugars and still looking like shit while i will keep chugging my mountain dew with my six pack and dad muscles boy boy
>>524674655>you are just wrongI'm not. You're a belligerent retard trying to justify high fructose consumption. It's introduction into the food chain perfectly correlates to the largest increase in diabetes and obesity in the US. > i will keep chugging my mountain dewGood, you will die faster. All because you pretend that fizzy pop isn't bad for you.
>>524674370And all the cancer, diseases, and god knows what ion charged oils will do to your bodies polar substrate. On top of that whole increase LDL and lower HDL cholesterol.Sugars on the other hand all kinds of damage to liver, pancreas, diabetes, skin, heart, brain, alzheimers etc. We evolved eating meat, fats from meat and some plant shit like some fruits and some vegetables. Our cognitive function only exists because of amino acids found only in complete proteins. The amount of cooked meat and animal fats we had over so many generations I believe gave us our cognitive ability to begin with it is that important.
>>524674815all the "wisdom" you think you know is less than a century old, you are functionally retarded. post physique
>>524674929>all the "wisdom" you think you know is less than a century old,No it isn't you retard. They had nutritionists decrying the move to corn syrup in the 60's.>post physiqueI'm not posting my body to /pol/, that's a retarded move. Furthering my point, you are retarded.
>>524669160That nigga is barely overweight by modern standards
>>524671844>ackshully we eat less sugar because we replaced all the sugar with HFCS and artificial sweeteners
>>524674630Your fast food is fucking nasty too and your country is fat as shit as well you stupid fucking nigger. >eating two burgers at onceYou're a fat ass piece of shit Your obesity rate is climbing https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/251002/dq251002b-eng.htmwhile our obesity rate is going down lmao
>>524675011>>all the "wisdom" you think you know is less than a century old,>No it isn't you retard. They had nutritionists decrying the move to corn syrup in the 60's.how long is a century to you, you fucking retard?>>524675011>I'm not posting my body to /pol/, that's a retarded move.it would be retarded because you are a fat fuck
>>524675122forgot link because reading someone eating multiple goy slop burgers for one meal acting like that's something to be proud of set me off https://news.gallup.com/poll/696599/obesity-rate-declining.aspx
>>524675037>NO HFCS IS THE SAME AS NATURAL FRUIT SUGARS!>55% fructose, 10% sucrose the rest is water.It's all so very tiresome...
