>Protip: you can’t
Because it's murder
I cant because I'm a punk rocker yes I am. Well I'm a punk rocker yes I am.
>>524668608It’s 50% the property of the manSo since we don’t have commercial artificial wombs it relies on the woman to be responsible for the man’s 50% In the future when artificial wombs are more normal we will treat births like contracts each person will sign and it will take both signatures to terminate it at any time. If not the funding can go full to the person willing to buy the other persons 50% of the life contractWe are not yet at this point so until then abortion is wrong from a non religious stand point IF the man consents to it. If the man consents and the woman consents then abortion in its current state is ok.
>>524668666That doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong
>>524668608>religious argumentsWhere do atheist get their morals and values from then?
>>524668666It's inhumane if you use a coathook or vacuum cleaner, but there are ways to knock the fetus out without it ever knowing what happened. Sparing it a life on this hellhole of a planet is the most humane thing you could possibly do
>>524668608Murdering family members is not practiced in Nature.
>>524668608>>524668927>you can’tSo what? Was that supposed to be an “own”? That doesn’t invalidate the fact that God condemns murder. Who are you to say that anything is wrong apart from God? It’s all just subjective opinion and baseless without God.
>>524668872>people only know rape is bad because some sand-demon worshipping jew scribbled it in a book 3000 years ago
>>524668666unholy digits
>>524668608I don't think it's wrong. Unless the baby is european.
>>524668608>>524668666Murder: when you terminate a developed organismAbortion: when you terminate an undeveloped organismAn adult is more developed than a child and killing a child would be more evil than killing an adult. Why wouldn't it be an even greater evil to kill a fetus, something that's even less developed than a baby?
>>524669029Answer the question, turd. Why is anything wrong if God isn’t the ultimate authority on morality?
>>524669028>GodTry to actually think for once dipshit
>>524669099Not an argument, faggot. Answer the question retard >>524669090
It's a human at the moment of cell division, a process that doesn't stop until you die. This doesn't require a religious context. You're just a piece of shit with a sub-human mind.
>>524668608What race is the baby?
>>524668608It gives women power over men, which leads to extinction of the species.
>>524668608Because I say so
>>524668608Because killing your offspring is a disordered action not condusive to human procreation. Which is literally our only purpose on earth if there is no god.
>>524669147God isn't an argument either, so fuck you
>>524668608>>524668666Does anyone else actually believe abortion is murder? I've never really met anybody who looks like they actually believe that.>Abortion is murder>But making it punishable with the death penalty in every state is too farNo seriously, if you don't advocate for the latter, then I don't think you truly believe it is murder. Like since when does murdering babies warrant a "moderate position." Like you think X is infanticide, but wanna avoid appearing like an extremist on it? Do you even hear yourself speak? Does that mean if pedophilia was socially acceptable, you would be a moderate on that too?
pic related will always be the correct opinion on abortion
If a black woman and his black man want to abort their black nigger fetus. Just call me bro. I'll be there in a second to stomp that little nigger frog bitch back to hell. Niggers aren't human, nor I am. I'd punch that fat nigger pregnant belly like Mike Tyson back in 89'. Once that lil nigga is out I will stomp that defenseless nigger abortion so many times that her nigger mother will get hungry because it will look like a watermelon.
>>524669029Why is rape bad, though?
>>524668608>snuffing a candle before it can burnon the other handWHAT IS THE RACE OF THE CHILD
>>524669233This.
>>524669212What if having the genetic disposition to kill your own offspring is natures way of sorting that problem out on its own?
>>524669217No, it is an argument. If God is the ultimate authority he has the final say in the matter. Prove that anything can be considered evil without God. >well um x is evil becauze… becuz I SAID SO N SHIIEEIIT
abortion shouldn't be a popular method of birth control, but it is. it SHOULD be used in emergency circumstances such as rape, incestuous rape and pre-teen accidents. if abortion is going to be a popular form of birth control AND it's going to be free, then there needs to be a limit of 2 free abortions or MAYBE 3 strikes before you're out - but then you get sterilized. we can't be funding serial abortionists for infinity. i'd say that, if you can pay for your own abortions, you can get as many as you want...but, then you're just going to have broke bitches who got knocked up by deadbeats go bang some rich guy in order to get him to pay for the deadbeat's dead baby. or, maybe it's time to just put women in chains (again).
>>524669231Would killing a comatose 100-year-old terminally ill cancer patient by unplugging his life support be a murder? Would it warrant death penalty?
>>524669283https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0_NDS-d7r8sDdayDiareTeurd92Q7nsD&si=C7VOkImD_mlEVUDm
>>524669233Everyone thinks that. No one except here will say it out loud. But like, 87% of the population thinks that.
>>524669325I'll wait until you prove god exists. And not just A god, but your version of god.Yeah I'm not holding my breath for that!
>>524668666fpbp
>>524668823You're pretty super, man
>>524668608Because it gives women rights and absolves people of consequences for degenerate fornication.
>>524669441>I can’t prove that morals exist without Godkek, just admit you lost the debate and move on.
>>524669378God's plan was to keep him in agony until 101. You just thwarted god's plan! (Never mind how that's even possible)
Man gets a free pass and is allowed to keep screwing.Woman has to deal with the emotion baggage and in part destroying her own body.
>>524668872>>524669090Basic game theory for social animals. If you're an aggressive chimp who fucks with all of the animals in your pack, you're going to gain enemies and they will ostracize you and leave you to die. Retarded herd animals have figured this basic shit out long before christkikes wrote a book.
>>524669153/thread
>>524669158>what raceThis, and society should not rule out ugly people as abortion candidates either
>>524669324People have genetic impulses to murder. It doesnt mean we should encourage it in our societies.
>>524668608It's murder when the baby is white. It's animal abuse otherwise.
>>524669551Anyone with a 3 digit IQ can see that you're the loser here
>>524669680The best way to get rid of people with those impulses is to remove them from the gene pool, not let them procreate
>>524669378Depends on the definition of murder but I wouldn't say it's morally wrong since it's preferable to having him rot in pain 24/7.But that being said, the main argument against abortion is that it's "baby murder", not putting a suffering man out of his misery. If the people saying that truly believed that it's literally baby murder, then they wouldn't be taking moderate positions on it. If people call for pedophiles to be thrown into woodchippers because they're harming kids, then shouldn't that logic extend to people who get abortions too?
>>524669679The most blue pilled shitfest movie of all time time
>>524669650>I’m just going to assert that my evolutionary fantasy theory is correct and force it on you. Even if your imaginative story is real, that doesn’t prove MORALITY apart from God. Okay chimps ostracized bad actors, how does that prove MURDER is wrong? These retarded Darwin glazers…
Abortion has killed more people in 40 years than every war ever fought in human history and people wonder why birth rates are falling below replacement across the west.
>>524669029>people only know rape is bad because some sand-demon worshipping jew scribbled it in a book 3000 years agoIt's not considered bad in some countries and culture you absolute tool. As for the hand scribbling? Would you say that about Greek philosophy? Neckbeard.
Lets say you had a john doe who was struck by a couple driving irresponsibly. The john doe is brain dead and mutilated, recognizably human but clearly not whole and is being kept "alive" on life support. However, in this scenerio, there is technology that can reverse that. As this is a thought experiment we have the liberty to set conditions that may not be realistic in real life so we are free to say definitively can also say that at no point is anyone going to surface that knew or recognizes this man. So, there is a technology that can reverse his brain death and extreme bodily trauma but it will leave him with no memories. A complete tabula rasa. He would have to learn to walk, and speak, and chew, and be potty trained, and absolutely everything all over again and never have an memory of his former life. The treatment however requires a constant infusion of healthy cells so for 9 months the women who was driving as the responsible legal party has to stay hooked up to this man whos condition she is responsible for. The first couple of months theres about a 15% chance that the treatment won't take and the man just dies but after that the odds of a full recovery rise to over 95%. Should that woman partly responsible for him being in that state be allowed to unilaterally make the decision to pull the plug ending his life?
>>524669736Adhominem, you lost the debate. Bring an argument or zip up. At least have the humility to admit that you lost.
>>524668608>destroying human potentialThere you go.
>>524669794Not ALL behavior is genetic. And the children arent guaranteed to have the same baby murder genetics.
>>524668608Because Superman would not approve of murdering your baby
>>524669679Mein nigga eugenics 100% is the way.
>>524669818>pilpulI accept your concession.
>>524669795>then shouldn't that logic extend to people who get abortions too?Probably not, since it obviously doesn't apply to 100-year-old cancer patients either. Clearly our moral judgements are affected by various factors. Sometimes murder warrants death penalty. Sometimes it doesn't.
free abortion for niggers
>>524669884Ok, you're right bro. Peter Pan says that it's wrong to humanely spare sentient beings from a lifetime of misery. What was I thinking for questioning the will of the great Peter Pan, who exists without you or I needing to actually substantiate it
>>524668608It's wrong because I consider it wrong, I want it to be wrong.This is subjective, yes, but it's not religious.
>>524669929The statistics disagree
>>524668608has any ethical systems, other than maybe hedonism, assigned intrinsic ethical value to any action?not even murder can be judged right or wrong under moral relativism
Consciousness is a miracle of making, be the origin natural or supernatural. To deprive another being of consciousness is the most atrocious crime one can commit. Some may languish and say that they despise life, and living, and its myriad of horrors, yet even the few who attempt suicide are so relieved when they fail. So happy to be alive. And most never attempt suicide in the first place, because for most existence, at worst, is merely inconvenient, not intolerable. There is a great many moments where existence is rather wonderful instead, and the loss of joy experienced by an abortion is surely greater than the inconvenience their birth would have brought upon the parents.
>>524669989>I can’t prove that morality exists apart from God. Kek, do you even understand the argument or are you too low IQ?>>524670021You still can’t answer the question? It’s very basic, if God doesn’t exist how can anything be considered right or wrong objectively? It’s just your opinion. If you say rape is wrong I can just say “umm no it’s good” and it would be just as valid, prove me wrong lol
Name one other animal mother that aborts its children
The way you frame a prolife argument to a leftoid is ask them>Do you support life or death in general?>Life of course! >What is your desired goal with abortion? >life or death?
>>524668608because someone is irresponsible and selfish, they want to kill an innocent baby. that's not justifiable, not equivalent "punishment" for the transgression, and you're punishing someone ELSE for someone else's fault. It's wrong on so many levels, how can you even be so stupid to ask the question?
>>524668608I just don’t want women to be able to do what they want
It lowers the white birth rate.But by the same token, it lowers the nigger birthrate significantly more.A double edged sword
If a muslim needs an abortion just call me bro I'll help for free. My grandpa gave me a 20kg german steel axe when I was 15 and I will use it to chop that satanic sandnigger's head off. Fuck Allah and I think the prophet muhammad is a pig raped bitch.
It gives me the ick.
>>524669075Murder is a legal term, not a scientific one baby killer.
>>524668608My dad used this one decades ago. I'm not against all abortion, and it would be dumb to be. The problem is how encouraged and cavalier people are about it. Unless you were raped, going to have serious issues for either party, or something tangible more than 'just don't want to own up to what sex results in' and aren't a minor without resources or faculties, you made a living being and have to deal with it. At least use adoption or foster in your family if possible. Growing up in a home admitting mom/dad wasn't able to raise a child on their own for whatever reason and that's okay is way better than acting like everyone is a mistake and horrible. I had friends raised by grandparents with incapable parents in home. It was terrible when they became bad enough to have to become a ward. The parent in the picture I mean, not the kids I was friends with. She was nuts and horribly abusive because she was untreated, but still their mother.
>>524668666Sometimes murder is okay
>>524670310Storks. Next question.
>>524670556No, the distinction between murder and homicide is that murder is a homicide that is not legally justified.
>>524670310Bruce effect
>>524668666not from an atheist perspective. try again
A miscarriage is seen as a tragic loss of a child, something traumatic that a woman likely never gets over fullyAn abortion is a routine medical procedure to remove an inanimate cluster of cellsThe only difference between them is>does the woman want itAnd that's fucked up
>>524670391Not really, jews will always have more niggers to import but we are a minority on a global level. Abortion does little to impact the black birth rate while it does successfully further lower the white birth rate. You really wanna stop black births? Cut off welfare, snap benefits, and forigen aid, it's the only reason their population has managed to swell to the level it has.
>>524668608Abortion is so good, ONLY minorities should be allowed. Whites should be forced to shoulder their burdens
>>524668608>ITT explain why abortion is wrong without using any religious argumentsWhat race is it?
>>524670704Nothing is evil under an atheist perspective
>>524670704The fact that a fetus is a living human being isn't a religious concept, you fucking sperg. Whether or not it's just a clump of cells it will eventually grow into a human life and you are ensuring that life will never exist. It's a loss of a life on a net level despite whatever semantics you want to try argue.
>>524668608Human can all just kill eachother. Alright.
>>524670412What the fuck is this retarded nigger talking about? My post did the polar opposite of advocating for baby killing. Your adhd meds run out?
>>524670256>You still can’t answer the question? It’s very basic, if Peter Pan doesn’t exist how can anything be considered right or wrong objectively? It’s just your opinion. If you say rape is wrong I can just say “umm no it’s good” and it would be just as valid, prove me wrong lol
>>524670840>The fact that a fetus is a living human beingNo it's not, it's a potential one. You said it yourself.> it will eventually grow into a human life
>>524670835Yea we know, that's why you overwhelmingly have the same voting demographics as jews, trannys, and niggers.
>>524669852Ooga booga potato nigger, did Father McTouchy lose his watch in your busy last week?
>>524670928Answer the question >>524669090
>>524670928Again semantics, it will eventually result in the creation of a human life regardless of your beliefs. You are preventing that and lowering the net value of human life. Even from a net perspective abortion has more detrimental than beneficial to society overall.
>>524671067That's a seperate discussion altogether, and one I frankly don't care about.
>>524668608Abortion is considered justified because a fetus isn't a lifeWhy isn't a fetus a life? The arguments are that it cant survive on it's own outside the mother But plenty of humans can't survive on their own without assistance. A newborn infant cant survive on it's own without assistance. So are they not human lives? If you consider them human lives then that means fetuses are human lives and abortion is wrong The problem with trying to logically justify abortion is that you always end up justifying the deaths of infants and other people. Pro choicers aren't even consistent in their beliefs. They won't legalize abortion up to the point of birth.
>>524671108He's just a fucking trollHis jew god commands the mass slaughter of infants in his beloved jewbookAnd we're supposed to think that's moral because "god"
>>524670719>Abortion does little to impact the black birth rateBlacks get an order of magnitude more abortions than whites do. It's not even close.
>>524671099That's nice, but it's not murder. My point stands. Also,> lowering the net value of human life.No, because a grown woman is a human life. A fetus is a potential human life. I could make the exact opposite argument you're making.
>>524668608HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die there will be nothingness for eternity!
>why is abortion wrong>No religious argumentsAaight, under those parameters ill just say a live baby will fetch a higher priceThere is always a bigger smartass
>>524669090Do you follow every single law in the bible? If you dont then you dont believe God is the ultimate arbitrator of morality. That means your morality is arbitrary and is just as justifiable as any code I could create on my own.
>>524671231A potential life being snuffed out still takes away from the overall number of lives, retard. I know you're a kike and just being contradictory to bump this thread but atleast put in some effort and no you couldn't make the opposite argument as your point still results in a loss of life despite the woman being involved in the equation.
>>524671363A loss of potential human life. If you're going to push the goal posts and say "life" in general, then the slaughter of live animals is objectively worse because they're fully formed organisms.
Only black babies should be aborted
>abortion has nothing to do with christianityso it's socialist an unamerican?
If a woman is more likely to have a miscarriage after rigorous physical activity - should women be banned from gyms after having sex? I think we should go a step further and charge a woman with attempted murder if a woman goes to a gym after having sex.That also applies to picking heavy things, going to work, smoking, drinking, watching scary movies or laughing a lot. Buying tickets to a comedy show should automatically result in jail time.That would also include a special penetration tracker, since the government needs to know immediately if a pussy was penetrated to administer control over the incubator.
>>524671446If you're making an omelet and you have six eggs and I break one on the floor it still reduces the size of your meal. The fact that it wasn't cooked fist doesn't change the fact you are now eating less. You retard nigger.
>>524670928Not quite. A spermatozoid is a potential human, a fetus is a potential DEVELOPED human. It already is humanHow could something that's not human develop into one by itself?
>>524668854Murder is wrong by definition
>>524671552But did you murder the egg you broke?>>524671571Now that's arguing semantics. Good luck changing opinions with that one.
If about is not immoral then neither is a conjoined twin unilaterally opting to have their sibling surgically removed despite knowing this will lead to the sibling's death, using the logic of "my body" my choice. If you don't see any moral quandary in that scenario there's really no point in continuing the conversation.
>>524671585
>>524671693Yea I did haven't you ever read humpty dumpty?
>>524668608The process of life clearly begins at conception, as soon as the first human cell is born it begins to duplicate (the organism begins to grow), setting off the long process of human life. Compare this to a part of your skin that you cut off. It cannot grow, or in fact develop in any way, it cannot reproduce, it therefore, although being a group of human cells, is not alive, because it doesn't have the main characteristic of life: animacy, that is movement, growth, development, reproduction, all for self-preservation or preservation of similar organisms. Any vital functions that the slice of skin shows are just remnants of a thing past, it's drying out and death are inevitable.If you're a spiritual Aryan you value life and such a process, which destroys it, is disgusting to you. You also value kin, and do therefore despise a practice which prevents so many of your tribal/national/racial brothers from experiencing life, which you, to reiterate, consider to be good, even if filled with hardships.On the other hand, if you're a spiritual nigger or jew, you might not value these things that much, so abortion means nothing to you, or might even mean a morally good.
>>524668608Because its detrimental to society to kill off viable offspring who can be used to further the civilizationIt also allows women to engage in whorish behaviour instead of getting married. This leads to spinsters
>>524671775I'll summerise my points.Abortion isn't murderAbortion is, however, morally dubious.So is abolishing it.If both are wrong, then what is the lesser evil? The one that prioritises an actual person over a "potential" person.This is purely playing devil's advocate for the atheist perspective. If you can't beat that argument, you can't win the war of ideas.
>>524671946Thing is you're 'prioritising' the actual person's convenience over the potential's life, the scales are not equally weighted here
>>524671551The PussyTracker (tm) should be a mandatory subdermal implant that after impregnation will alert and dispatch a group of medics to immediately bring the femoid incubator to a medical facility for safe storage.That will prevent attempted murder of the baby and murder by neglect with:-Morning after pills-Unregulated calory intake-Physical activity-Emotional stress
>>524671693It's not arguing semantics, they are in two different categories. A spermatozoid is a potential human. A fetus is an undeveloped human.A spermatozoid needs an egg to become human, a fetus. A fetus needs only time and nutrition to develop itselfMost people would still be wrong, it's nothing new
>>524671571>spermatozoid is a potential humanNo. It contains some of the genetic material for a potential human. Sperm and eggs on their own really are just cells. Unacted upon by their counterpart they will forever remain inert and are no more a human than a scraping of skin cells or dollop of blood in a petri dish is. A fertilized egg is however a completely different matter. It is that potential being actively realized. There is no more a meaningful distinction between a fertilized egg not being fully devloped YET as a justification to saying it's not alive than there is to say a newborn is not yet fully developed and not capable of sustaining it's own existence becuase it can't feed itself compared to a toddler or an adult and therfore not alive. Both are completely arbitrary distinctions. The comparison is even stronger with something like a premature baby who needs to be on a respirator. Life starts at conception and it takes ridiculous mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise.
>>524671946>Their is no good and evil but getting rid of abortions ia morally wrong so that would be worst than abortionFlip flopping much faggot? Also your still ignoring my point that it overall reduces the population which is the last thing the white race needs now. Abortion has resulted in the loss of over a billion lives in 40 years whether or not those lives were considered valid before birth dosent matter if they had been allowed to be born that would still be a net gain in population size. You have no argument for this because your a kike using pilpul to try and sway the argument in your favor.
>>524672046In many cases yes. In key cases no. Good arguments could be made to appeal to atheists regarding stricter abortion laws but not abolishing it outright.
>>524668608I BELIEVE WE SHOULD ALLOW IF ONLY TO BE USED TO GET RID OF PEOPLE WHO ARE AS STUPID AS YOU!YOU WOULDN’T BE HERE IF YOUR MOM GOT AN ABORTION!NOW I’M NOT AGAINST ABORTION BECAUSE I REALIZED MOST MEN ARE WEIRDOS AND THEY CAN IMPROVE BUT THEY RATHER ACT LIKE WOMEN AND THEY TRY TO FIGHT WOMEN THAT IS VERY WEIRD!
>>524672137>Their is no good and evil I never said that. Didn't read the rest for obvious reasons.
>>524672137>Abortion has resulted in the loss of over a billion lives in 40 years whether or not those lives were considered valid before birth dosent matter if they had been allowed to be born that would still be a net gain in population size. The will always ignore the most practical argument because thats their goal. To reduce white births.
>>524672137Please lead your position to its logical conclusion that we should confine femoid incubators to specialized impregnation facilities as that would maximize population gain over bodily autonomy.
>>524672265That's what I thought kike.
>>524672307Removing jews from power will be enough, besides do you really wanna be the one raising eight kids by yourself?
>>524672271Classic jewish subversion in the face of truth they always squirm and change the subject.
>>524672323Yes, call me a kike instead of taking the opportunity to brainstorm ways of getting through to atheists without appealing to beliefs and worldviews they don't share.
>>524672104>No. It contains some of the genetic material for a potential humanSame thing. Potential human and human are not identical. A spermatozoid can become human, a fetus cannot because it already is human. It's a human fetus. I realize you can claim that a spermatozoid is a human spermatozoid, but we'd go back to the spermatozoid being a potential>Unacted upon by their counterpart they will forever remain inert and are no more a human than a scraping of skin cells or dollop of blood in a petri dish is.That's what makes them not human and only the potential for one. The building blocks for making a human>A fertilized egg is however a completely different matter. It is that potential being actively realized. It is now an actual human (an undeveloped one), not a potential one. A child is an undeveloped adult, a fetus an undeveloped child. You cannot say a spermatozoid is an undeveloped human however, it's just a building blockI don't see a problem with the rest of your post
>>524671803At least you have the intellectual honesty to admit that creating slaves is the main utility in childbirth
>>524672364Its not about "wants", wasting your time on anything but bringing the potential of potential humans to reality is a criminal waste of time. The government should mandate you to raise as many children as you physically have time to.
>>524672271Bear in mind that most abortions are niggers, all you white supremacists out there.
>>524672271No one tell him how many black babies get aborted
>>524670835nonwhites are evil from my atheist perspective
>>524672452I tried that but you ignored my arguments even when from your perspective while I am religious I didn't mention that once but of course spawn of satan like you can't help but seethe about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ every chance you get. You also literally just told me you refuse to acknowledge my argument but I'm the one who isn't "brainstorming my own arguments". You should pay your rabbi a visit and have him give you some lessons in subversion, you're not very good at this.
>>524672396Its why they want to argue the morality and make it some religious argument or argue semantics. >>524672452He clearly explained (as did a few others) that it reduces white births which is detrimental to society. You decided to ignore that.>>524672549Where did I say slave? I gave a practical reason to cut through the morality issue. Life is good. Contributing to society and living life is great.
>>524672557Yea but groypers like you would actually have to be attracted to women to make that happen. Also you're not white so silence.
>>524672634>creating viable offspring to further the civilizationConscripting people to labor against their will is called slavery, genius
>>524668608>When a perm meets an egg it creates a genetically distinct new life>The earliest stage of life is the zygote stage>The zygote is genetically distinct from the mother and therefore a separate life>If you interrupt this process it will end the life of this being>Abortion is murder no religious argument needed
>>524672752So youre against births?
>>524669231But I am against the death penalty.
>>524672603I ignored your bad faith argument that started with the premise that I apparently don't believe in good and evil. Which is wrong.>>524672634I ignored it because A: I didn't read it for the aforementioned reasonB: it reduces nigger births which is beneficial to society (from the chud perspective)C: it's an argument from the chud perspective, and won't appeal to normies any time soon.
>>524672806Yes
>>524672752Thats all society really ever was. Now the slaves dont even get housing kek
>>524668608>kill a pregnant woman = double murder>cause a miscarriage without consent of a women (beating or drugs) = murder>women kills her own fetus = ....All I ask is for legal consistency.
>>524668608did the fetus consent?
>>524672689What kind of attraction are you talking about? The logical ideal for a pro-life world is femoid incubators securely confined to baby-pumping facilities from first menstruation to menopause, and men taking as much babies out of them as they can physically handle raising.
>>524672834Then kill yourself
>>524672859No you don't. Or youd want kid fucking priests and politicians who fuck whores in jail. Give it a rest
>>524672824Pipul
>>524672824All of that dosent change our original argument, it was about why it was wrong and bad for society from a non-religious perspective not morality or what normies will think, kike. Go back to the jidf training academy, you aren't ready for the front lines yet.
>>524668608You are under the very incorrect assumption /pol/ is anti abortion, abortions should be free and promoted for all non whites and coal burners, followed immediately by mandatory sterilization.
>>524668608Kill yourself, kike.
>>524668666Thread
>>524672963Pilpul has a tight grip on society, and that isn't changing if no one can so much as put a crack in it as seen in this thread.>>524672991I originally replied to the post calling it murder, and my arguments led from there. Try to keep up.
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>>524671585niggers aren't human therefore by definition it's not murder
>>524673037Murder is a legal term. Are soldiers murderers? They're killing people. You just want to use the law so that its only legal to kill people you want. Ain't gonna work though moralfag
>>524672859It is consistent retard.You have an item and someone steal it from you it is theft. You can still throw this item away - it does not mean someone can steal it from you when you have it in hand and want to use it.
>>524673127
>>524668608Women aren't having enough children, and its abortion and birth control pills. This is the primary cause of the death of Western civilization. It is why governments are broke and getting broker with huge old age security tabs that there are not enough children born to help pay. It is why all of our countries are filled with spics, jeets, chinks, muzzies - an ill-fated attempt to solve the problem.Abortion is wrong because it is the root cause of the death of Western civilization. That good enough?
>>524673167
>it's just a clump of cellsBro, YOU'RE just a clump of cells if god's not involved, why shouldn't we give you a 30 year post-birth abortion right now?>it's not a fully formed humanNeither is a toddler, let's start gouging their brains out with needles, too.I used to consider myself pro choice, but the bizarre ways liberals treat what should be a rare and somber procedure into something to celebrate has really changed my stance. It's telling how no one wants to say my body my choice after covid vaccine mandates, too.
>>524668666>>524668608>>524672892>>524672867>>524672859It's either murder or just animal abusedepending on which race is it.
>>524668608lmao you fully failed to respond in any way to the very first post.anyway, you should always be extremely careful about absolute statements that no alternative exists, because 99.99999999999% of the time, you are merely elucidating the limits of your contemplation.Hypocrisy.Hypocrisy is the objective measure of immorality which you failed to imagine.You may now stop pretending like the question has never been answered or has no answer -- but know that I will never, ever, forget the misplaced smugness with which you embarrassed yourself before me for all those many years. Perhaps you should contemplate that before you try the harder questions.
>>524673199>the bizarre ways liberalsLiberals are brainwashed fools. It is nothing more or less profound than that.
>>524672912Try putting your head underwater and taking a big breath. Bet you can't do it
>>524673125While I do believe that I never said that and it wasn't a part of my original argument. Try to keep up kike or are you just gonna try and change the subject for the fifth time?
>>524673199answer this hypotheticalyou're in a burning IVF building and you're trying to evacuateyou run into a room with a room that has 1000 viable human embryos and a crying 7 year old girl.you have to save the little girl or the 1000 embryos. you cannot save both.which do you save?
~20% of pregnancies in the US end in abortion, almost entirely for convenience rather than necessity. The widespread adoption of abortion as a ritual affects the psyche of the population and causes them to devalue human life, each other, and themselves. It also lowers inhibitions with regards to casual sex because there are several levels of options to eliminate the risk, including just killing your own offspring, and that's not a big deal.
>>524673157>murder is the same as killing Bro wants sacrifices to Moloch and Baal so bad.
>>524672912Seriously though... the mistake to spawn my life was made, and I'm willing to ride this shitshow out, if only for the purpose of convincing others not to make the same mistake my parents did. The fact that I'm not doing to kill myself doesn't make it right for you to impose existence on another being
>>5246686081/3 of gen z was aborted.
Okay so looks like no cristigger can tell me why they shouldnt consider a woman going to a gym a murderer. As expected.
>>524668666For once satan is not a faggot
>>524673387It doesn't matter what your original argument was. You replied to me, so you were entering the discussion I was having. I replied appropriately and now you're conceding by calling me a kike.
>>524673548>religious babbleKek pray about it fag
>>524673786You replied to me first kike, your pilpul is weak and I didn't concede to anything. If you don't like kike how about heeb? Or Christ killer? Or inbred rat? Or condemned by God? Or baby sacrificers? Or theving merchants?
>>524673453The girl, you can't be sure the "viable" embryos are ever going to be born, as your example is already dystopic sounding enough. You have instincts for a reason and they would tell you to save the girl. You'd get creeped out at the embryos if anything, they are in a place they shouldn't beAlso, if you have no time to save both you can't really be blamed for your choice of saving only one
>>524674033>You replied to me first kikeFactually incorrect. Didn't read the rest.
>>524673786Oh I see now you were the first faggot I replied to and your using 4chandotclub but you forgot you changed your IP. I think you may be the dumbest jew I've ever met.
>>524668666>666fpbp
>>524674088See here>>524674136
>>524668608Sure, having children continues our species
>>524674136I think it's time for your medication. Or exorcism. Whichever works for you.
>>524674166And to expand on this, if you have no goal you are a nihilist, at the very least a species has some basic biological goal It isn't ethical or moral or anything of the sort, in a pure natural sense abortion is antithetical to living
>>524668872The cool thing about morals is even if god isn't real, they're still part of reality. Everything that is wrong is self evidently so and you will know them by their fruits.For example I have a lot of sex with my dog, a female german shepherd, when my wife isn't around. And sometimes when she is (she likes to watch). I am extremely happy and productive and I have 3 kids.My brother on the other hand is gay and he sometimes shits himself from all the cocks he's taken.On the other hand I can't encourage other people to do this because 99% of people are too stupid to even go on a walk with a dog without hurting them so if I were pretending to be an angel from god, but were actually a time traveler or alien, I would have to tell humans to kill the dog fuckers because the freedom of the 1% that can safely make love to their canine mistress is not worth the damage the 99% would cause.
>>524674232Whatever you say fag you hopped from a US to a UK flag and if not then you're just lying because you replied to me and this is just more pilpul. Regardless once again you are a kike.
>>524674166>>524674234Most abortions are done by blacks. They aren’t my species.
>>524674280Excellent post.
>>524674350Sure, but it still proves the pointYou would rather some other species discontinue than your own. It's the same argument.
>>524674280What a delightful retardI hope to shake your hand one day
>>524674280And to think, any version of this argument could be made without dog fucking
>>524669090You just feel something is right or wrong, niggers like you need to be told that though.
>>524672499Yeah, we seem to be on the same page for the most part. I do not think it's quite the same thing but at this point it's really just academic. In my view it differs becuase a gamite will never spontaneously undergo some sort of genesis and manifest anything on their own and are in a sense inert. Theres not a complete genome there. It seems to me that if you set your criteria to simply containing the components alone, in this case one half a set of human dna, then you can open the door to hairsplitting counter arguments about any building block no matter how minute and theoreticals in regards to any other human cell. Like if we had access to sci-fi cloning should we then treat every individual cell as a life becuase the theoretical potential is there for instance. The thing about conception is that it is the moment when these things transition from a theoretically potential, a set of conditions where IF acted upon in a certain manner will bring about something, to a real and tangible one already manifested into reality and active biological processes which WILL continue UNLESS acted against. There is a potential there in a spermatozoid or egg but is a theoretical and incomplete one versus a concrete realization of that potential. But like i said initially, I think we agree where it matters and this is just academic.
>>524668608because wanting a thing and being improved by the existence of a thing are differentandwe know women's wants are impulsive and shitty until they are regulated by a proper male, just as a male is reckless and dangerous until regulated by a proper familythe ability to disconnect the real consequences of a thing from the apparent consequences of a thing are a disaster for every single person who has an iq insufficient to be aware of the real, comprehensive consequences of any choice, especially as it affects society as a whole.. which is to say every single woman excepting a handful and something like 95% of men
>>524674520Does murdering jews feel right or wrong to you christ-nazi bro?
>>524668608Tbh I think that non-whites should have mandatory abortions. Idk what all the fuss is about.
>>524668608>ITT explain why abortion is wrong without using any religious argumentsWoman gives birth. 2 hours later you walk into the recovery room and kill the kid by sticking a huge hypodermic needle into his head and sucking out his brain, collapsing his skull. Is it murder?I ask, because if you walk into that same hospital 2 hours before the woman gives birth and you kill her kid in-utero in the same way with the same needle it's called an abortion.
It doesn't make any sense with the laws we have on the books.>stab and kill a pregnant woman, you get a double homicide>men can get locked up for skipping child support, but have no control over whether or not a baby is bornThe existence of abortion is the government defining what is and isn't a life as "does the woman want it?" If a woman desires the baby, it is a precious human life that we should all fight to protect against any and all harm. If she does not want it, it can be torn to shreds, ripped from her body, and thrown into a dumpster to become maggot food.Allowing abortion is allowing women to decide the definition of life.
>>524673453I've answered this before. The embryos on their own outside a womb are inert. They are not being realized. A set of conditions where they are acted upon would have to be met for them to ever generate a human being. As such I'd save the girl. If however instead this were a future where artificial wombs existed which these embryos were implanted in with a similar success/failure rate as a nature pregnancy than I'd save the embryos. It's not the gotcha you think it is.
>>524668608Killing aside...It's despicable immoral degenerate slut behavior.Just like Bestiality or high body count.
>>524668608It enables a woman to bail on becoming a parent while disallowing a man to do the same, a.k.a. inequality.
>>524668608The law supports it as homicide in case a pregnant woman is killed. I am against women being given the authority to decide who gets human rights based upon if they want the child or not. With the baseline established that it is objectively homicide the only remaining step is to decide whether it is justifiable and since killing someone to make your life easier, or to divest yourself of reponsibilities doesn't meet the requirements for justifiable homicide neither should abortion except in the instance where carrying the child to term would directly result in the mother's physcical death.>inb4 muh cells muh parasiteDehumanizing words to mask the reality, however if that were truly the case, since abortion is still legal, the logical and consistent thing to do would be to remove all protections for the embryo. You should not be legally allowed to deny a clearly pregnant woman alcohol or tobacco and if any of your actions, or the mother's actions, should result in a miscarriage or the death of the embryo it should be no different than the removal of a tick and only physical damage to the woman's body should be considered. Similarly, maternity leave should only kick in once the mother enterd labor and child birth should be treated as an elective procedure ineligible for standard medical insurance. Lets not half ass it anymore, tjese argumwnts will always persist so long as the law is vague enough to allow wiggle room.
>>524668608It deprives the zionist of another mutant criminal degenerate freak that can ruin the lives of white gentiles by being a forever burden at best and an active detriment to society at worst.
>>524668927Bro I didn't even know what was going on when I was 4 years old, only started to realize I exist at 5 years old, how is a fetus that is not aware of anything at all going to be aware of its dying?
>>524669075I don't agree with you at all. Killing a child is not as big of a deal as killing an adult in their prime. The most valuable people are young adults, the really old and the really young are not as valuable.
>>524671585Wrong
>>5246749251. A fetus is literally still a part of the mother's body. A baby is independent. Are you retarded.2. Some late abortions are to save the mother from dying during childbirth. Killing a baby doesn't save the mother from dying. Again, are you retarded.
>>524675166>You should not be legally allowed to deny a clearly pregnant woman alcohol or tobaccoThis one is always a kicker to me. We treat pregnant women like they're Gods and we need to do everything we can to make their lives as easy and stress free as possible. We go to lengths to disallow people to even sell them products that could harm the "thing" in there. Yet at the same time, we allow the women themselves to just throw it in the trash on a whim.
>>524674633We do agree but I think I should stress the difference between being a potential human and being an actual human. The building blocks (sperm and eggs) are the potential, the fetus they create is the actual human. The building blocks can never be human unless they fertilize and transform into one. There's no room for hairsplitting or pilpul here. I think it's pretty airtightA fetus only needs time and nutrition to develop into a baby, the same way a baby only needs time and nutrition to become a toddler, the toddler a teen, the teen an adult, etc. A spermatozoid needs more than time and nutrition, it needs an egg. Potential and actual human are two totally different things>should we then treat every individual cell as a life becuase the theoretical potential is there for instanceCan that cell fertilize and lead to the creation of a fetus? If it can, it's still just a building block for a fetus and not the fetus itself>>524675356But you're a memeflag though
>>524668666Mark of the beast speaks truth. Checked 'em. fpbp /thread
>>524675357no u
>>524675420A fetus is not "a part" of its mother's body. It has its own seperate genetic code. Just because something is inside you doesnt make it "part of your body" are you retarded?
>>524668608Although I am religious and believe that Christ is king, and I denounce the Talmud, OP is unironically right. Without God, the concept of "right or wrong" does not exist.
>>5246754201. Baby has a different DNA so scientifically not part of mother's body, just within.2. Islam is right about women.
>>524675717That has to be some kind of troll post. It's too retarded. He claims late term abortions are used to save the mother's life while following right up with "you think killing the baby will save the mother, retard?" Also the schrodinger baby type cope of "it's only a baby if you can see it outside the womb" is just retarded. Could be a deranged lefty but that post just screams troll
If it can't be religious, it has to be economic or practical, unless you're trying to insinuate that there's something moral about being a deranged, secular, porn-addicted McDonald's person. Economically, Planned Parenthood received 800 million dollars recently, and some studies estimate that abortions in 2019 may have cost the country 6.9 trillion in lost labor force. It's kept cheap for the individual because a lot of the bill is picked up by the state, and the entire situation is easily avoided with contraception.
>>524669650This doesn’t show murder is wrong, as murder could also elevate one’s status. Your argument is really >murder is wrong because others think it is wrongAnd we are back at square one.This is the thinking of an NPC; you are only acting in accordance to your perception of those around you. It’s basically Satanism for people with low IQ.
>>524674234What about aborting cripples that cannot live on their own?
