The documentary hypothesis says the Pentateuch has 4 main authors: the Yahwist, the Elohist, the Deuteronomist, and the priestly source.The Yahwist may have been an aristocrat in the court of King David’s son Solomon or grandson, Rehoboam.The Genesis and Moses stories may be a Homer-style narrative creation of the Yahwist that provide the Davidic line a historical/religious mandate while their kingdom is being split from a unified monarchy to northern Israel and southern Judah. The stories might not have been meant to be worshipped religiously, but digested like Dante’s Divine Comedy. Thoughts? Questions?Video related: https://youtu.be/t92C5tQklhE?si=lkvfF6mmIwX0H1YT
Example, the story of Joseph as an allegory: Joseph rises to the height of power in Egypt, but his kin lose everything he built up. Likewise David’s progeny lose his Unified Kingdom of Israel.
>>524675528They were written by who we generally believe they were written by and they are the Word of God.
>>524675528>Who wrote the Bible?God
Another example, Moses on Mount Sinai. After communing with God at the summit, Moses comes down to find his tribe divided and worshipping a Golden Bull. Similarly, David’s grandson Rehoboam loses half of his kingdom to Jeroboam in the north, who has set up shrines to a Golden bull in two cities.The Yahwist source would’ve been writing at this time.
>>524675528king david was greatly exaggerated, in reality he was some tribe elder of some yahwist group who kept getting their shit pushed in by the phillistinesthey fabricated a lot of their storiesand the pentatauch wasnt written until around 300bc, taking from various other sources collected by the hellenes in alexandria egypt. they took these texts and plagiarized them, weaving the stories into their own tale
>>524675745If they wanted to fabricate David’s life they did a pretty bad job. They could have left out the parts about him being a murderer and an adulterer and the parts about him becoming a bandit. They could have also left out how he mistreated the Ark of the Covenant and had sons that were so bad they were almost forgotten from history. Which he cried over so long that his own people told him to shut up. If they wanted to fabricate David they did a tremendously awful job because we learn from David that he is a man after God’s own heart, not a perfect man. Actually deeply flawed like most of us are. He also weakened in his later years and had to be held back from battle to maintain his dignity. What do you know about the Bible? It appears, nothing.
>>524675673Think the authors are divinely motivated by God, but there are still human authors. Pretty sure most Christian sects believe this.
>>524675958He was also a polygamist, Solomon’s downfall which is fitting - and numbered the people of Israel as if they belonged to him and not God. Basically the version they gave casts him in the most truthful light possible and it’s absurd to believe it was a fabrication.
>>524675958they were canaanite retards, they wrote things he did, but exaggerated and embellished and wrote revenge fantasyhis "kingdom" was pathetic and couldnt prevent their archenemy from using the region as a trade routeno, david never collected 200 foreskins to buy his wife
>>524675958Think that the fact that David has an unconditional covenant without pretense unlike the other patriarchs means that he has a special relationship and shows favor. And although he is flawed, even his flaws are downplayed or misdirection. Like his coveting of Bathsheba is meant to romanticize what actually happened which was that he killed her husband for no reason. And he’s also favored in the sense that the Psalms are attributed to him and he gets the credit for the Unified Kingdom. And gets stories like David and Goliath.
>>524676126If you were going to write a historical narrative with the opportunity to fabricate everything, why would you include in the lineage of the Christ and the House of David and the story of the King, all his abhorrent moral failings that almost ended his life and proved he was just as weak as any other man? We are talking a nomadic desert tribe. Why would they write the truth?
>>524676183> lawed, even his flaws are downplayed or misdirection. Like his coveting of Bathsheba is meant to romanticize No it doesn’t, at all. It nearly causes the downfall of the King and deeply shames him before God. He ends up hiding in a cave for his own survival.
>>524676264And if I have that mixed up with his journeys with Saul, it still deeply affects his rule and everyone considers him a scoundrel. Because he is. The Bible wants you to know he was a scoundrel.
>>524676100Someone drank the coolaid
>>524676202the new testament was written much later by the descendants of these people to tie everything through the torah myth they invented far after david was written aboutthese were yahwist canaanites, you trying to appeal to a european rationale is asinine
>>524676202The Pentateuch doesn’t include anything about the life of David. It’s just the first five books.
>>524676264Again David is not mention at all in the Pentateuch (first five books of the Bible.)
>>524676561That just means it’s even more ridiculous that the NT lines up so well with the OT. Even in a million, billion years you couldn’t get all those stars to align. Europeans rationally saw this before you were alive.
>>524676620Ok then why are we talking about the life of David being fabricated?
>>524676748they had the older texts to line up with as they wrote the later texts you dipshit retard
>>524676780The point is that 1. The Unified Kingdom of David is falling after David’s reign under his son (Solomon) and fully divides under his grandson (Rehoboam.)2. As Davidic power is being contested, the Yahwist creates their portion of the Bible as an historical context and narrative lineage for the Davidic line 3. The Yahwist uses allegory in their writing that mirrors what’s contemporary to when they’re writing, which is during this Davidic kingdom divide
>>524677091And also I’m not saying that it’s a fabrication necessarily, but the authorship of the Pentateuch stories might have been assembled under that context
>>524676748>the NT lines up so well with the OT. Even in a million, billion years you couldn’t get all those stars to align.Is this a joke?
>>524675528I'm pretty sure the documentary hypothesis is starting to lose favour in academia.It is still the most subscribed to theory, but the evidence is pretty threadbare. Assuming multiple sources, the idea of a 'redactor' piecing them together in the way suggested by the documentary hypothesis is not particularly plausible. I don't know if there is any evidence of any other surviving text being composed this way. If multiple sources are being used in composition you would expect something more akin to the synoptic gospels where material is borrowed from multiple sources to craft a narrative which expresses authorial intent. Because the documentary hypothesis is slavish to its own thesis it ends up attributing many verses to one of its 4 proposed authors with very flimsy evidence. The much simpler explanation that can still acount for the stylistic differences is a single author working with multiple sources. Documentary hypothesis proponents also love to talk about doublets as if this necessitates the stitching together of multiple authors. But again this doesn't make any sense. It doesn't matter whether the pentateuch was composed through stiching or by a single author (used sources or not). You still end up with a person or group of people making the conscious decision to include the doublets in the final text they produced. The documentary hypothesis fails to explain this in any satisfying way, and so it really shouldn't be used as evidence in support of the theory.
>>524676748Holy shit, do you huff paint?
>>524677309Yeah there are always new theories developing about the hypothesis. I think the “author” you’re describing though is basically fulfilling the same role that the redactor of the documentary fulfills. I will say that I’ve read the J source isolated in its entirety and it does read like a much coherent story. Just my opinion though. Good comment.
>>524675528Pretty crazy that europe threw away the wise greeks mythology in favor of schizophrenic middle eastern mythology
>>524675528king david to justify his usurping of the throne from saul
>>524675745jews are liars, in other news water is wet
>>524677972Greek philosophy is pretty instrumental in Christianity but I understand what you mean.
>>524677972> mmmm snakes on head feminine power so bootiful
>>524678042Yeah also valid
>>524678137Lolololololol
We have the mess in the wake of King Josiah's reforms. Most archaic language is in Genesis and Exodus. 2 sets of rule books and a genealogy book. 2 updated and Deuteronomy brand new. Looks like a chunk of Numbers used to be in Exodus. My guess is Moses and Arron and possibly another contemporary wrote a good chunk of Genesis, Exodus, and Numbers. Then the texts got edited and reedited had priestly commentaries added, variant versions synchronized. They were not quite finished churning out the modern Torah by the time the oldest Dead Sea scrolls were written. And I do not mean after all the little tweaks Rabbi Akiva did to refute the New Testament.
>>524675528lol jedp. gay ass nonsense
>>524678137>wow a heckin TALKING bush and its on FIRE!! >god heckin sent a jewish zombie to end the world bless israel btw
>>524675673The name “Jehovah” is not the correct or authentic name of God, either historically or theologically.
>>524678890Yeah I could see a lot of that tracking
>>524678926Not saying I necessarily subscribe to the note for note JEDP theory, just giving some context for the post-Davidic court aristocrat as J idea
>>524679190What difference does it make?
>>524677309German biblical scholars have never let evidence get in the way of a good theory.
>>524675528It was mostly written in Alexandria in the 3rd century BC
>>524680904Feel free to elaborate
Look up Russell Gmirkin, OP. He shook up biblical scholarship with his recent work. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JNwgTkUx--Q
>>524675528The "Bible" wasn't written as a whole, only in fragments by various pious authors over many years that were handpicked and compiled by literally power hungry faggots, aka "fathers of the church", in the 4th Century.
I have a question. Why is "thou shalt not treat another person as your property" not a 10 commandment? I think slavery is worse than adultery and being envious of your neighbor.
>>524675528It was written buy a bunch of people its an anthology theres probably dozens of books that werent included because they just sucked and were poor writing or by nobodies or insane people.
>>524681541>theres probably dozens of books that werent includedYou would be correct, that's the apocrypha.
>>524679890Depends who you're talking to, some cults like the Jehovah's witnesses claim you must use the name Jehovah to speak to God
>>524676183"David", if he existed, was a war lord psychopath. Not a holy leader.
>>524681086see >>524681135
>>524675528>Who wrote the Bible?paranoid and delusional sand nigga
>>524675528when are they going to create a board for religion? /pol/ has become too christcucked, yes, "christcucked" since Trump. it feels like we are at someone's Sunday school. simply ridiculous and the mods allow it.
>>524675528it was channeled by the sibylline oracleshttps://rumble.com/v70hp20-the-bitch-is-back-let-the-sunshine-in.html?e9s=src_v1_cbl%2Csrc_v1_ucp_v
>>524675528bunch of jews wrote itthen a bunch of jew converts wrote the rest of it
>>524681135The Bible is definitely an amalgamation of Greek and Eastern thought. I’ll check it out, thanks
>>524677309I think the value of the Documentary Hypothesis isn't in it's truth, but in its ability to get people away from what they used to think. We're now getting scholars that aren't just towing old and stupid beliefs. Biblical scholarship needs a frequent shake-up, because so many of them are true believers. You need outside ideas to get them to actually think.
>>524681464You’re asking the wrong guy bucko
>>524680728Like the Q-source cope?
>>524681306Great hypothesis. Where's literally any evidence for it? Where's the writings from or where do you see others talking about it?
>>524681773Live a lil
>>524681773/rel/ it would be a great containment board that fixes /pol/ and /his/.
>>524681671Probably agree with this, and that’s sort of what I think the purpose of some of the later books of the Old Testament are for. To sort of humanize and deify David who via other interpretations murdered his way to the throne
>>524675528>Who wrote the Bible?Jews/thread
>>524675658Stop worshipping Jews
>>524681996Everything on pol is self-affirming chud slop anyways. It’s fun to shake things up
>>524682080Lol. Just coping christcucks for 63 comments above you. Top fucking kek.
>>524675658>>524675619>>524675528whites did (house of israel) which is why Jesus says the jews aren't white (not from the house of israel)>I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.>But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me
>>524682112Christcuckery isn't a fun shake up. It's part of the chud slop.
>>524676126yes David was a polygamist and was a tribal warlord. Our conception of "king" is different than theirs. The israelites were just a flavor of canaanites that wanted an identity. They were henotheistic, they acknowledged there was other gods, but YHWH was THEIR god. The foreskin thing is probably the truest thing in the narrative. Circumcision was common in Canaan and Egypt, that custom came from the Egyptians. I think the Egyptians had a different version of Circumcision compared to the Hebrews.
>>524676620the tanakh was pretty much compiled together in Babylon during the exile.
>>524682101You don’t need to worship kikes to agree with the main premise of genesis. That mankind being aware of evil puts him in a dialectic that is bound to result in retardedly huge government and religion synthesizing into a globalist theocracy. That’s literally what’s inferred from Genesis and Revelation alone.
It’s so funny seeing gnostic retards grasp at YouTube summariesThe Bible literally lists the scribes (person who physically wrote down, for you niggers) for like half of the Old Testament
>>524676780also keep in mind there was two sects of jews during the exile. The dominant Jerusalem jews and the Mt. Gerizim Samaritan jews. This was the first schism .
>>524682551Book, chapter, verse.
>>524675673The kikes made all that shit up - none of it happened. Read a good translation of genesis - it's ridiculous. Yowee's wife had a dick
>>524677331why are you retarded?
>>524675528Ezekiel during the Babylonian exile.
>>524681721memeflag= secular jew
>>524682637Ashera has a dick?lollmao even
>>524675528Here's the qrdThere was a bunch of ancient Sumerian and Babylonian parables that got passed around until they ended up in proto-jew texts which ended up in hebrew monotheist texts after Moses has the first revelation and delivers the laws of god. Then Jesus comes along with the second revelation of salvation. The new testament is then put together by a committee assembling his disciples writings of words of Jesus and the exact same sumer-babylonian-hebrew parables are selected too.Then Muhammad has the third revelation and claims it's the final one and he presents an entire legal system and once again almost everything else is the same so basically a copy of a copy of a copy except now a legal system too.>tldr ancient sumerians technically wrote it with some new chapters added
>>524675528>Who wrote the Bible?Joseph Smith
>>524683056You forgot the American DLC.
>>524683115Jewish Adventures IV Jesus in Space.
>>524683115Actually I forgot the last chapter of revelations which was some guy Jon excommunicated from Rome to their Australia-like prison island at the time who had a crazy shroom trip and they just added it in there because Tertullian a Roman chronicle writer of Christianity said he was dumped into 'boiling oil' (maybe it was just warm oil in a cold day) and emerged unscathed. That same guy wrote a good guide on how to deal with heretics because they try and use the scripture against you in arguments but don't believe in it at all which sounds familiar https://www.tertullian.org/works/de_praescriptione_haereticorum.htm
>>524675619It sounds like they were jews who got kicked out again, anon. Joseph taxes Egypt to steal their land because hes a jew
