Catholicism to me is the most beautiful thing possible. When people ask me what I am, I don't say Republican, Democrat, or even American, I am a CATHOLIC, I am a member of the Royal Family of the Kingdom of God. If you actually read about Catholicism it will change the way you look at life forever.
I am. I wish I had Catholic friends. I did but most of them have lapsed.
Christcucks need to get their religion out of politics
>>524681453I'll join the church for my fiancée since it means a lot to her
>>524681453I'm too white and straight to be Catholic. I'm not into 3rd world immigrants, jesuit covid subversion, or young boys.
>>524682212If you were actually white then you'd be a Catholic. Also, rich nations are Catholic, if you're not a Catholic or from a Catholic family you're a third worlder.
>>524682274> Democrat memeflag shills CatholicismChecks out
>>524681453Not a fan of superstitious rituals.When "holy water" can burn jews then I'll believe in your bronze age cult.
>>524681453Wasn't raised religious. Have looked into a lot of religions, all seem as silly as one another. Catholicism included. You tell us why we should be catholic, how do you know it to be true?
>>524681453I was. Then I read the Bible, the history ofsacraments and the dogmas, as well as syncretism within many apparitions and devotions. It’s bunk. But respectfully I don’t mind your devotion, in a sense I admire it as a virtue but I simultaneously marvel at your lack of sense in seeing the church for what it is, a human institution par excellence. I understand the romanticism and desire to live and believe like our ancestors , but if you analyze it honestly you’ll see it’s all nonsense.
>>524682469>Have looked into a lot of religions,And you don't find Athiesm to be the silliest of them all? It's the only worldview I just find loony.>Why should we be CAtholicPascal's wager, if you believe and are wrong, nothing happens, if you don't believe and are wrong, HELL FOREVER. No rational man would make a bet on infinite pain.>How do you know it to be trueNever claimed I did.>>524682582So how do you reconcile that with "Peter build my Church upon this rock"
>>524681598Politics is downstream from religion, newfag.
>>524681453Because it's fake and gay
>>524682967In the case of catholicism really really really gay. Catholic Clergy are gayer than fucking Provincetown, MA.
>>524681453>>524682274>homosexual cathokike forgot he switched memeflags from another thread he was trolling inNothing like being a two faced rat to show the fruit of the catholic faith
>>524681453>How are you not a Catholic?its a roman psyop
i am poisoned by individuality, if you ask me what I am I will say myself
>>524682651The Roman Catholic Church’s idea that Peter was the first bishop of Rome is ahistorical and a latter legendary development to legitimize itself. Analysis of Paul’s epistle to the Romans will even contradict this: Read it and try to see if you can even see any evidence of church hierarchy à la Rome or a nod to Peter’s authority or presence. Also read up on the history and source of the succession list of bishops of Rome. Or the pentarchate and early council structure of the church. No Roman supremacy to be seen besides imperial and political deference
>>524683631thats not truepeter was the most important person in the council of jerusalem
>>524681453I find the idea of a pope abhorrent
>>524683701What isn’t true? And what evidence do you have for your claim, and if you’re feeling confident how di you link the significance of your claim to the foundations of the Church in Rome, Italy?
>>524681453Even ignoring the retarded theology, its interior is one of the most uncanny things I've ever seen because of the contrast to the exterior
>>524681453I am a catholic, but I'm a shut-in since I got fired a few months ago (I was doing the Lord's Work, working in direct patient care at a hospital, regularly working sundays and generally being too exhausted to get up in time for Mass on the days I wasnt working) and I haven't been to confession or mass in over a year. I'm not from this area and I don't know anybody at the church. >>524681598But ONLY Christians, right?
>>524681453You chose wisely. >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT-ZAAi4UQQ
>>524682582>It's a human institution!You know that only one of the twelve Apostles that Jesus Christ himself picked stayed with him until he died on the cross, right? One betrayed him, One denied him and nine ran away. And those are the men Christ himself Hand Picked.The adminstration and temporal leadership of the church is irrelevant.If you expect Perfect Church anywhere on Earth, your standards are too high.Here's the thing about the church: Despite all of the bad leadership and scandals and mistakes, it's still survived for 2000 years and the dogma is unchanged.
>>524681453I don't know.I've thought about pursuing religion. But between protestantism, Catholicism and Orthodoxy, the catholic church seems like the option that makes the least sense.If you believe that Jesus, when he said that the gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church, meant that the actual institution he founded would never fall into heresy, or if you believe that apostolic succession and Church tradition are necessary to understand or even justify scripture then why wouldn't you pick Orthodoxy over Catholicism? The idea of papal supremacy seems like a blatant accretion, and the more decentralised power structure of the Orthodox Church shields it from much of the criticism that the Catholic Church is exposed to. It's kinda hard to buy into Catholicism when the history of the papacy is filled with so much blatant corruption and abuse of power.And if you think Jesus was referring not to a specific institution but rather just the continuation of worship and faith in Him, the practice of His teachings and the spreading of the gospel, and if you look at the history of the Catholic (and Orthodox) Church and are justifiably uncomfortable with vesting any spiritual authority in these institutions then protestantism is the obvious answer for you.
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i don't worship jews
>>524684544>dogma is unchangedThat's a big claim that not even the Catholic Church itself would make.There have been many doctrinal developments over the course of Church history. The Catholic Church acknowledges this, but claims that these doctrinal developments have been made with the authority of the Church. So the question is whether or not you think that doctrinal developments are immune from the bad leadership and human folly that is evident in other aspects of Church history, and if yes then what your basis for this belief is.
>>524684544>If you expect Perfect Church anywhere on Earth, your standards are too high.Matt: 7:16 , I think this standard sounds fair, or is it too high? Maybe we should tell this dude to lower it. But I didn’t even go the moral critique route, because it is trite and low-hanging.And the longevity of something I have not been sufficiently convinced it’s a standard of transcendence. The dogma unchanged part that is where it falls apart. Quick example, if I live unwedded with a woman (no sacrament of matrimony) according to the church I am in sin and can’t receive communion. If I die in this state I’m not looking too good. Now dude, google what year marriage officially became a sacrament in the church. There’s your “unchanged dogma”. It was only after the Protestant reform. Did you know Catholic Spaniards for example had a Spanish wife in Spain and a native convert indigenous wife in the Americas and they would still be in good standing with the church because the church didn’t still officiate marriage ceremonies? Unchanged dogma, haha read something
>Why are you not worshipping a jewish rabbit in a religion invented by the jew Paul to trick the goyim into never tribing up so the jews can take advantage of them
>>524684746I have similar thoughts and it's hard to say which denomination is the correct path. Maybe it's like with Linux distros where some are better than others but they're all about the same and all that matters is you pick one
>>524682651Atheism doesn't make any claims, it just doesn't except that God is a proven answer.To me, suggesting a complex being like a god is a good solution to the reason the universe exists doesn't really make sense. I think it makes more sense to say we don't know yet, and to continue the research. Pascals' wager is a n horrible argument and I think you know that.
>>524684431>But ONLY Christians, right?silly goy, of course!
>>524681453 Marianism, how the clergy is utilised particularly in confession, intercessional prayer by even the dead and the veneration of saints being too close to worship for me. I don’t hate catholics or anything, I just do not see the church as biblical. It’s beautiful, I love the aesthetics of Catholicism a lot but I do not like Catholic doctrine and it leaves a sour taste for me as it appears like an empty veneer.
>>524684431>But ONLY Christians, right?There is no "Christians". You schizophrenic retards have 100 different versions of it yet you allow the most Jewish version run our foreign policy
>>524681453I went to a few services but Catholics are the most liberal, pro abortion sect of Chrsitianity and the vast majority of them were alcoholics. I do like the ceremonies more than the preaching of Protestants though. Orthodox seems to be the best version of it all to me. Tldr Majority of Catholics seem to be drunk liberals
>>524682274>Catholicism is the religion of the White manYou do know the entire Latin world and much of sub saran Africa is Catholic right? There are more non White Catholics than there are White Catholics.>Rich nations are CatholicChrist would rebuke you for that kind of mentality.
>>524685901sub Saharan*
>>524683631>Thou art Peter and on this rock I will build my church. >Matthew 16:18It's pretty straight forward, Slick.
>>524681453>why aren't you catholic? Because I'm not a pagan and I have no interest in worshiping a "goddess"
>>524685949Prayers of intercession are not worship. That is a matter of fact.
>>524681453Not into licking nigger feet
>>524681453Literally threw away longstanding doctrine because "it's 1970 bro what are you a reactionary"t. left for orthodoxy before it was cool
>>524681453I actually read the Bible
>>524686001that pope really ruined it for catholics
>>524685660You and I both know that Pascal's argument is the best argument and anyone who's still an athiest after hearing it lacks basic mathematical literacy and intellect.
>>524681453theism as a believe becomes non political as nondiscourse is allowed
>>524681453I missed the part where the Bible says you need to follow an organization to be a true believer, and that they're allowed to sell tickets to heaven and have a guy on the top who has a direct telephone line to God himself and what he says is the true words and becomes canon with the Bible.
>>524681453>When people ask me what I am, I sayfinish the sentence /pol/
>>524685872Orthodox Christians are woke communists who become Trans
I miss the Church and community. Went atheist for years for petty reasons
>>524685936>I tell you that you are Peter, and it is on this rock that I will build my congregation, and the powers of hell will not conquer it.There’s a lot to unpack here, but for starters they’re literally standing outside of a pagan shrine that the hellenics believed was the underworld. It’s symbolic. As for what a church is, it’s a two or more people coming together in the name of Christ and Jesus himself said that. Nothing about Latin Nothing about using special prayer beads to ask his mother in heaven to pray for you
>>524685094>Matt 7:16Yes. By their Fruit.Just don't take the Anglo or Jewish word for what their fruit actually is.
>>524681453LMAO ok buddy
>>524681453I am Catholic.>>524682469For someone like yourself it's more important to read the bible and just be a Christian than to accept any particular denomination when you're just starting out. Even if you weren't raised religious, Christianity is the religion of your ancestors and your nation. The flag of your nation bears the cross of St. George, the saltire of St. Andrew, and the saltire of St. Patrick, three great Christian saints. Even if you do not yet believe you should interact with the culture and find something true in it.
>>524681453>If you actually read about Catholicism it will change the way you look at life foreverYeah, it'll be the most bored that you'll ever be. You'll learn the life lesson of never doing that again.
>>524685872>the most liberal, pro abortion sect of ChrsitianityDid you mistake Lutheran for Catholic?Every Catholic Church has an anti-abortion protest outside.The March for Life is a Catholic Joint. This man is a Catholic being harrassed in DC after going to an anti-abortion protest.
>>524681453All the mini gods.
>>524681453when i was a kid my parents tried getting me into catholic school. they rejected the application, their explanation you are not catholic.so i am not catholic.
>>524686165Pick an attack vector and stop contradicting yourselves.He's either humble enough to kiss the feet of the lowliest, or he enthrones himself as king of the world. It can't be both.
>>524681453>Sees a room of pedophiles in wizard robes>This is the most beautiful thing everLMFAO the absolute state of christkeks
>>524682651>And you don't find Athiesm to be the silliest of them all? It's the only worldview I just find loony.Not a worldview. It's a single claim on a single subject, and for some people it's not even an actual claim but withholding from a claim.An atheist has no other required beliefs. Nothing political, metaphysical, epistemological, moral, value, etc.It's not a worldview. Christians just can't understand this.An atheist has to turn to philosophy to determine everything that's actually in their worldview.
>>524685936Where did Christ say Peter could pass on his position?
>>524686254Sorry, no. The left wants to make fucking children legal. Fuck off, Jew.l
>>524681453easythe church protects pedo priests. next question.
>>524681453I dont like your vile hate filled god that wants sacrifices.
>>524681453You are pathetic loser who never achieved anything so you base your identity on some bullshit belonging to a fancy group that actually any retard can and belongs to by birth. Congratulations on being completely useless faggot that cannot really say anything good about his own deeds.
>>524682651>Pascal's wager, if you believe and are wrong, nothing happens, if you don't believe and are wrong, HELL FOREVER. No rational man would make a bet on infinite pain.Presupposes that there's only your religion and no religion. When we actually take it into reality, then it's no longer something that works.Then when you also include other god concepts, like the Evil God, where you're punished with Hell for following any religion, and rewarded with Heaven for not following a religion, just to fuck with people. Once the Evil God is included, then you can't even be certain that making a choice of any religion is better than not.
>>524682274>If you were actually white then you'd be a Catholic.Catholicism of old was like 99% white but now it is 50% or maybe even less. Of all the branches of Christianity Catholicism is the least white one now. Heck if you turned on the Christmas service at the Vatican the choir was majority non-white with only a few whites here and there.
>>524686243A large problem is the polarised political sphere and the internet leading to pornbrain in so many people. If it were a grainy old photograph of a long dead pope washing some Italian farmers feet people wouldn’t care so much. At the end of the day the devil wants man to be hateful and angry and to fall into sin as that is his only recourse after Christs sacrifice. Mass migration implemented by governments causes the people to become hateful and divisive as it is an inherently divisive thing to do to your people. The fact that almost no church fathers are calling out the obvious satanic element of mass migration is sad to me as it is so clear that he has his hand in it.
How did whites go from worshipping gods that would rip their eyes out of their sockets, and believe in a heaven where badass warriors dine in a mead hall, to believe in an emaciated kikes who preaches "BEING WEAK AND MEEK IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING!!" and "LE TURN THE OTHER CHEEK IF SOMEONE TREPASSES AGAINST YOU!"
>>524686143With all due respect, what the fuck are you talking about, you pathetic little coward hiding behind a meme flag? Three things you don't have, faggot: a brain, a heart and a dick.
>>524686407Why would you want to believe in a word like that, or live in it? Where a God can come down and sodomise you in the guise of a bull just because he felt like it. Where they butcher and mutilate their brothers and sisters, where your perfect afterlife is an eternity of killing people and being killed in brutal ways only to wake again and do it all over. This is where the LARP is most apparent with pagans. It’s fine to play a video game as some bad ass Viking hero but the reality of their belief system is awful and nobody would actually want to live in that world if given the choice.
>>524685936>let me project and anchor every unfounded dogmatic non-sequitur into this one single verse without regard to the textual context>”you don’t understand, it’s pretty straightforward!” pop catholic textual exegesis , ladies and gentlemen
>>524686526The imagery Christ uses is self-explanatory. St Peter is the foundation on which the church was built. He is the prince of the apostles.
>>524686449That passage was made outside of a pagan ritual site to Pan that the local hellenised pagans believed was a gateway to Hades. The full scriptual passage is important in relation to the the location because it was literally outside of the gates of hell. Picrel
>>524681453>AmericanTell me something you remember about baseball in your life, memeflag. Personal experience
>>524686407Jesus preaching in the gospel was to a Jewish people living with a Roman garrison nearby. Jews expected that they could simply win a military victory as they had centuries before against a Seleucid king. But that was not what God wanted them to do with the Romans.
>>524686640Where does it say there he is “the prince of the apostles”?That’s the sort of insane leaps you need to take it easy with
>>524686143>Nothing about Latin?...this was an IQ check and you failed
>>524686714Got a grand slam home run one time as a kid but it was a mini court lol
>>524686271they can't understand it because in abrahamic thought not believing in god is a "faith" called "atheism." for them there is either right faith (my particular brand of semitic bullshit) or wrong faith (everything else). 0/1, black/white, either/or, good/evil, etc. you see it over and over again in these religion threads, where the christkike either calls you a jew or asks, "well what do you believe?" the idea of "i don't" just does not compute; they think you must believe in nonbelief, which is fucking retarded.you see the same black and white thinking in the collective jewish psyche (we're special/everyone else is goyim) that these religions stem from. abrahamism is mental and spiritual poison; semites and their golems are mentally and spiritually stunted people.
>>524686959They kept the scriptures in a language nobody but an extreme minority could understand on purpose and when the actual word of God became known to the masses people understood that a lot of core Catholic tenants like the intercession of saints and Marianism is not biblical. You do not ask the dead for favours and do not need anyone as an intermediary to God the father but God the son.
>>524687198>Who is Plato The Post
>>524687198I disagree that it's spiritual poison. The highest among people, who are the only people capable of changing the world, like me, are able to integrate the pure and holy lessons of Christianity without needing the book adherence or fealty aspects or hell. In fact in my religion, Jesus Christ is what I call an "emissary" of which there are many, even fictional characters etc can be emisarries, they are deliverers of ideals effectively.
>>524686280Catholicism IS the left. Someone needs to study XVIII/XIX century history
