>Germany invested half a trillion (in renewables) and now produce 20% less electricity at 3x the pricehttps://x.com/LoftusSteve/status/2009251735483621813Sounds like a great business xD
>>525648736That's the wisdom of economic experts.Who don't even know how initial investments are accounted for over the years and become cheaper and cheaper over time because you don't have to buy any raw materials.but i guess you watched a well made series about it XD
Solar is based and can scale like nothing else, you can make it comically cheapall they had to do was not approach it from religious perspective, and just do what the Chinese are doingthat mutt energy clown is a zealot too, even more retarded, since Germs were early and had to operate on a belief while the mutt subhuman is denying reality
>>525648736its not stupiditythis was done by design(((they))) still hate germany 80 years later
i just want nuclear power man
but dont you care about the planet goyim?
>>525649074You oversimplify. Renewables dont become cheaper due to amortisation and no fuel costs xD Intermittency requires expensive backup systems and massive grid upgrades, these costs never amortize away. System-level integration, balancing, and storage expenses keep rising with higher renewable penetration. All these costs are always higher than savings you make on lower fuel purchases which results in permanently high prices xD
>>5256487362nd and 3rd posts cover this
>>525649228Chinese solar success relies on massive scale and subsidies but the claim ignores their huge ongoing coal expansion. In 2024-2025, China started construction on 100 GW of new coal power (a 10-year high) and commissioned over 80 GW projected for 2025 alone, far outpacing most of the world combined. xD Coal remains essential for grid stability and industrial demand with approvals still in the tens of GW yearly. This shows renewables arent replacing coal in China, they are being built alongside it in a dual-track strategy.
>>525649074You dont have to buy raw materials to replace PV and and wind turbines? or the batteries to store the energy?
>>525649858claim does not ignore shit, retard, read what I wrote, what do you think "religious perspective" refers tono shit it makes sense to burn coal + build nooklear as you develop solar, and no shit there was subsidy, what else is state for if not for industry & infrastructure buildout>are not replacingbut increasingly will, solar certainly, and looks like they are making wind cheap enough, too
>>525648736It was retarded of Germany to shut down their nucear plantsHowever Americans love oil-dependent countries so ofc they hate wind/solar. Ideally you build nuclear plants for a consistent baseload power, and then add wind and solar which you can balance with hydro power and battery storages. Assuming you don't have access to other sources like geothermal.
>>525650492Solar and wind cant fully replace coal/nuclear due to intermittency, moron xD Unpredictable output requires constant backups or massive unaffordable storage like batteries for grid-scale blackouts costing trillions globally. They lack baseload reliability for 24/7 industrial demand with capacity factors 30% vs nuclears 90%+. Even with eye-watering Chinese-tier subsidies, system costs soar from overbuilding, grids and flexibility needs. China builds all coal+nuclear+renewables simultaneously for energy security amid 5-7% GDP growth: coal (60%+ of power) ensures stability while renewables grow but not displacing fossils at all, coal capacity hit 1140 GW in 2025 in China, absolute record. Renewables without coal/nuclear might be good for such shitholes like EU where economies and industry experience permanent stagnation/recession and are being closed-up amid "genetic vaccination" of the "useless eaters" xD
>525651094you sound like a confused LLM, faggot>le can't fully replacecan, just build a lot of capacity and batteries, doable already, will become only easierbut I don't care about ultimate mix, make it 10% nook, or 20% synthetic fuel made with the energy you can't store, whatever, it will not be coal tho in 20 years unless you're a shithole country
>>525651593You sound like the fucking idiot you are. Brainwashed imbecile from the dying continent that is currently being ass-raped by revisionist empires xD
what even is this thing replying to me
>>525648736got what they voted for
>>525652020Pogadaj se z rabinem Wiechem, tym krasnalem ogrodowym. On chce wszystkie elektrownie w Bolandzie zastapic wiatrakami. Ten zadaniowiec to twoj poziom intelektualny, na tych samych falach odbieracie xD
>>525652600śmieciu, naucz się czytaćdo tego zamiast zakładać, że twój rozmówca jest jeszcze głupszy niż ty, załóż odwrotnie, że jesteś przy mnie mentalnym kurduplem, uczepionym już na dziś zdezaktualizowanych "faktów", w trybie bezmyślnego chłopskiego uporu bo nowe i to nie może działać bo <bełkot>
>>525648736Fuck Germany.Piece of shit of a country.
>>525653140Nawet rabin Wiech to przy tobie tytan intelektu. Z tego tez powodu jemu placa za to pierdolenie, a tobie nie. xD
>>525653437bla bla bla, przeczytaj od początku co napisałem, pachole, i przeproś
deindustrialization was always the goalglobalism/post-WWII guilt was merely the justification
>>525649858>subsidiesAll State infrastructure relies on subsidies. That is literally the entire point of being a literal nation state that issues its own currency.
>>525653625nigga never heard of a utility companyprotip: they don't operate on subsidization
>>525653977Yes, they do. 1) they use the state's money 2) they use the state's land and roads 3) many of them quite literally just lease facilities or resources directly from the stateJust sit this one out, conservative. You don't understand how money or countries work. How could you? You've internalized foreign occupation as the default.
>>525652020posting anything about germany gets some brownoid here worked up where they post 50 times under 10 different IDs and flags. probably a Muslim
>>525654250>they use the state's land and roadsoh cool, so literally everything everywhere is subsidized and every country in the world is de facto national socialistwhat a retarded metric, you are extremely stupid
>>525648736They were banking on Ukraine.Oopsie
>>525649228China has large deserts to build utility-scale solar farms in. Germany doesn't.
>>525648736Germans being retarded and self-destructive, name a better combo
>>525649895I bet you'll tell me that billions of cubic meters of any raw material are cheaper than maintenance materials.>>525649609you are right,amortisation dont exist>Buying an efficient machine makes no sense because it needs repair.thats your logic
>>525649858The average utilization rate of China's coal plants keeps decreasing. They're building more coal plants mainly to (1) back up unreliable renewables, and (2) replace old inefficient coal plants with more efficient ultra-super-critical coal plants.>This shows renewables arent replacing coal in ChinaRenewables are replacing *coal plants that would have otherwise been built*. China needs more electricity, and it's going to get it one way or another
>>525648736Ok but why is that monkey in a suit on the left allowed to chuckle? Take him back to the jungle at once.
>>525655067They have better solar potential, yes, but the areas with highest irradiance are far from population centers, toocompare to just Germany, not great, compare to Europe, good enough, only need a slightly different mix
>>525648736Faggots like Musk push wind and solar cause he wants to sell his gay fucking batteries. Faggots like Musk pay lawmakers to push wind and solar so youre forced to buy his gay ass batteries.
>>525655669>The average utilization rate of China's coal plants keeps decreasing. They're building more coal plants mainly to (1) back up unreliable renewables, and (2) replace old inefficient coal plants with more efficient ultra-super-critical coal plants.This statement sounds as if it was written by an imbecile. No offense xD
>>525655669>Renewables are replacing *coal plants that would have otherwise been builtNo, since renewables aren't reliable you always need backup to cover them not producing. So pretty much the same amount of base power is needed with or without renewables, the difference is that if renewables exist the base power might need to be subsidized and if there is enough renewables they need to be on permanent standby, and if it's not gas generators they also need to be permanently on, such as with nuclear and coal.
>>525655812This is like me thinking I can power my house on a car battery because some corporations build their own power infrastructure to operate their plants.
>>525656259spell out what you're saying here, I'm not following
>>525648736Turns out the whole climate crisis was just one big grift. One that Europoors fell for hook, line and sinker.
>>525655812Yes, however UHVDC lines are something that can be built at reasonable cost, as seen in China.The point is that solar in the desert is never out for more than one night, so you don't need more back up capacity than enough to last one night.
>>525656351I think, and hope, it's just a symptom of our broken academia and was then later taken advantage of by politicians who wanted issues that can't be solved instead of focusing on real problems.
>>525656350What Germany is capable of compared to what its energy needs is apples to oranges when talking about what China does for energy and its needs.
>>525648736Germany's main idiotic step wasn't going green, it was going green and not balancing it with nuclear. Shutting down the coal plants and reducing gas was the correct thing (even if they had to be forced in the end), but being retarded about nuclear is what really hurt them. Green parties have done so much damage in regards to nuclear sentiment on the continent it's mind blowing.
>>525648736Australia is ideal for solar as we have the lowest cloud coverage of any nation and the uptake of solar panels and batteries has been so successful that the energy companies went from paying you money for feeding extra power into the grid into charging you for doing so because now there's too much excess power during the day
>>525656521fair, but storage is rapidly improving tooultimately I'm for what works economically, and it will be majority solar, only question is how much and when>>525656544ok
>>525649858>dual-track strategy.That's the way it's supposed to be done. Our governments are so evil and retarded lol.
>>525656081In what way does it not make sense?
>>525656677>charging you for doing so because now there's too much excess power during the dayNegative electricity prices isn't a good sign. It means the grid has very unstable production and in most cases it leads to higher average electricity prices and in all cases it leads to less future investments which in turn leads to stagnation of not only the grid but also industry.
>>525656181China also uses other means, such as hydro, including pumped hydro, for back-up, not just coal.
>>525649403that's antisemitic, anon
>>525655653>I bet you'll tell me that billions of cubic meters of any raw material are cheaper than maintenance materialsPolands total geological coal resources (hard coal and lignite) exceed 100 billion tonnes, with proven _fully recoverable_ reserves around 30 billion tonnes. These recoverable reserves could last several hundred years, like 300+ years at current rates, potentially longer with technological advances. +300 years of _extremely_ cheap energy. However, all Polish mines incur losses due to EU ETS emission allowances, carbon pricing, environmental taxes, and regulations, which make domestic coal uncompetitive versus cheaper imports. Entire energy sector is fucked up because this neocolony is ruled by windmill-agents xD
>>525649228Solar at scale is stupid, it only makes sense as an off-grid solution or for stupidly large parking lots where they can at least provide the double duty of shade as well as a bit of power in an otherwise wasted space.
>>525656912Yes it wasn't a compliment my point was to highlight that even when solar power is effective there's negative consequences to it and now the energy companies are billing the consumer for upgrading the grid
>>525656948Yes, and that also increases costs and requires personell in standby. Pumped hydro also reduce the EROI of solar by several times, first you have to pump water to a high elevation, then when you need it you get it through a turbine generator.
>>525649228Photovoltaic solar will NEVER be viable. It has never been viable, it’s not viable now, and it will never be viable.
>>525648736He's also an apparent Trump ass licker. If you listen to any interview he sounds like an iraqi politian trying his best not to get an invitation to Saddam's backyard shed.
>>525656912>>525657266Which has led to Australia having the third(I think) highest power prices amongst the OECD and caused many smelters to become unprofitable to which the government is now bailing out these multinational mining corporations with taxpayer funds so they continue to employ a small amount of people at a cost higher than what it would be if the government just paid them their wage directly
>>525657337Also Pumped hydro don't scale. Maybe it can work as the main solution in Tibet where everything is mountains and no one lives there.
>>525649074>mfw people with the economic and technological understanding of this faggot decided to run with the "Energiewende" (German for "Let's fabricate an energy disaster") and with "Wir schaffen das" ("we will go extinct, lol)
>>525657702Pumped hydro is just capturing excess energy production to reduce waste. It is literally impossible for it to be a primary source of energy.
chad speakerinb4 chinathey are using solar panels as a political tookand building a fuck ton of nuclear plantshttps://www.world-nuclear-news.org/TagSection?tagid=879
>>525657702If by EROI you mean energy return on investment, no one cares about that. They care about monetary costs, which are apparently reasonable, since China is doing it on a huge scale.>>525657702There are of course geographic limits to pumped hydro, however China is building massive amounts. 60GW has been built, and more than 200GW is under construction. For comparison, China's electricity consumption averages about 1100GW. Usually Chinese pumped hydro facilities have a sufficient storage capacity to last for several hours.https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/china-track-exceed-2030-pumped-storage-hydro-target-by-8-industry-body-says-2025-06-24/
>>525648736Germany had the most renewable and green energy source on the planet, nuclear energy. The Green Party shut down their nuclear reactors to replace them with less environmentally friendly, more wasteful, and more expensive solar and wind. Germans aren't even 1/4 as smart as they think they are.
>>525658760It should also be mentioned that China's total hydropower installed capacity is over 436GWhttps://english.www.gov.cn/news/202505/23/content_WS68306044c6d0868f4e8f2c76.html
>>525649895Eurofags / leftists are low iq.
>>525658929>That pic>innert trash vs airborne trashu retarded?
>>525659728Do you have any idea how much pollution is generated to manufacture and transport every single wind turbine blade? Vast amounts of coal and oil are burned for each one. They're transported on massive trucks pumping out tons of airborne pollution. Does this look green to you? It's a scam.
Why do these threads always have shills for photovolatics, wind turbines and chemical batteries?
>>525657011>coal doesnt get expensive if you go deeperok, it gets magical teleported to the surface, you dont have to build an infrastructure.just build a coil fabric like in your video game and its over when the number is 0
>>525648736If you want 'clean' renewables just grow biomass and oxidize it for energy. There is literally no added pollution, because grass builds itself from the CO2 in the first place.Displacing organic life with shitty solar panels that is toxic to produce and dispose of is just stupid. Especially in the places where sun is not that abundant but water is plenty.Plants are the most effective and clean solar panels anyway. Europeans are retarded.
>>525648736He just forgot to mention that that price hike is mainly because Germany lost access to cheap russian gas and now has to buy US LNG, which is why it's now paying 3× more.
>>525648736let them cook.
>>525649074What about solar panel degradation? By the time you are breaking even the panels are cooked.
>>525657213>>525657374wrong, cope, you simply are from a shithole that can't build and project your skill issue on everyone else
>>525648736Why don’t we just use all types of energy?
>half a trillionGet the fuck outta here with that made up numberMIGAts will believe it though
>>525649895not reallyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perovskitealsoukraine has plenty of are earths that they will send us to pay back their loans they took to buy our weaponsystems
>>5256624131.24 trillion Euros. Cope you low iq faggot.
>>525662350Egalitarian physics, geology and topography. Wonderful idea….
>>525661766>grow biomassbetter just tile it with solar, but whatever, if you can compete, grow biomass>toxic to produce and disposepeasant intuitions + skill issuealso you spergs did not think twice before shitting up half of Ukraine with toxic shit, just to try for total slav death
>>525662413It's probably real. Germans have heavily invested in that shit ever since the 90s. They are obsessed with """green""" energies for some reason.Keep in mind Germany had a lot of money to waste all these years.
>>525648736don't worry they can always import plenty of energy from the US.they don't need any of that nasty cheap russian stuff when they can get good old fashioned american LNG
>>525648736>Before leading the U.S. Department of Energy, Wright served as the CEO of Liberty Energy, North America's second largest hydraulic fracturing company>dude listen to the paid oil lobbyists! Buy petrodollars goy! MIGA!bravo miggerEvery time. Every single time the migger simps for globalist corps and their kike wars.
>>525663390>facts are no longer facts depending on who says themGood to know
>>525662350Europeans don't know how coal came to be. They think that due to mold not developing enzymes fast enough and letting trees pile up for some millions of years, somehow made that carbon sacred and untouchable.People are not destroying environment, they simply reintroduce carbon back to the cycle. Something mold naturally does. That carbon was there in the cycle. Same goes for oil and gas. Besides, volcanoes do this all the time anyway.
>>525663654pressure yuropeons to cut themselves from cheap russian and buy your overpriced gas instead>see it's the renewables!MIGA!
>>525649403kek, you had nuclear, but it's a scary word so all the plants were shut down.
>>525663390Anything he said you disagree with ranjeep?
>>525648736If only someone who took high school physics had warned them.
>>525648736Green Parties have always been Bolshevik subversives who argue for de-industrialization & disarmament to make their host nation easier to conquer.
>>525649074I want to make sex with her face
>>525663892>MIGAextorting money from Europeans benefits the US energy sector and does help put money in the pocket of Americans of all things i think this one can actually be classified as MAGA, its basically an empire extracting wealth from its vassal and transferring the money to the imperial centereveryone benefits but yes those that rule the empire benefit the most
>>525648736That's not even the highest IQ strat.Our amazing government led by our prophet Merz, pretzels be upon him, is aiming for 0% unemployment.Great times are coming. Arbeit akbar!
>>525662111i only reply because of trips.do you think oil or gas infrastructure and transport doesnt need maintenance.
>>525664406>aiming for 0% unemploymenthow, deportations?
>>525664503Brother, he will make Laziness illegal so the problem will solve itself.I mean, you have to admit that's just genius
>>525648736Everything was done according to the will of the compass.You better praise the compass or else labelled as Russian agents.
>>525648736>lead by WEF>a globalist finance kike organizationpart and parcel not hanging kikes and globalists
>>525648736all according to american plans cripple Germany so it can never rise again
>>525664634ever the pioneers, you Germans
>>525648736If you see this green bullshit from the perspective of USAID propaganda to get them to do it, it makes perfect sense.They have destroyed one of the united states main financial adversaries (Europe is a financial adversary, and was setup to be that), and they did it to themselves. Now many of their industries are fleeing to the united states and they have no tech sectors, no nothing.
>>525648736Best part? Their CO2 emissions also went up.
>>525665343I'm pretty sure that Putin was called Biden, though. Cucktin still sends gas and oil to Europe.
>>525651094They have these things called batteries that can store electricity when the sun goes down.
>>525660024Im an engineer. Those blades are made from fiberglass which is made of literal rocks. Its actually the same process they use to make cotton candy just with rocks. We arent running out of rocks any time soon. If we stopped using oil to power vehicles it would last for thousands of years so the fact that it needs a bit of oil to make the lubricants and grease doesnt really matter.>>525661766Biofuel and seed oil lubricants could keep a low tech model T era industrial society running but theres too many humans on the planet for that, it would take up too much farm land to make enough fuel and food. They are doing this with jet fuel though.>>525662350Because lefty retards want it to be all or nothing. The free market will naturally gravitate towards more efficient systems which will mean that fossil fuels will gradually be phased out as the cost to produce them goes up but they think the world will end if we dont stop all fossil fuel consumption NOW NOW NOW.
>>525649074>muh windmills and solar panels last for a lifetime and don't require any maintenancehuh
>>525648736solid sucess xD
>>525668817No shit they're not made out of oil you utter retard. The manufacturing plants that produce them are fueled by electric from coal. The transportation requires oil. Every step the manufacturing and transportation is powered by fossil fuels. Then we slap them in, get a tiny bit of wind electricity which doesn't even offset the carbon used to install it, and we have to replace it using even more fossil fuel manufacturing and transportation. Did you really think anyone was arguing that turbine blades were made out of actual oil? Go back to school. Your engineering degree failed you.
>>525671395Just haul them with electric trucks and run the factory on solar panels+batteries. All that stuff is happening since its gotten so good and the cost has fallen so low.
>>525671750None of that is happening. There are no viable electric trucks on the road. Even if they were they pull their power from a grid fueled by fossil fuels. There are no large scale manufacturing plants running even 50% on electric. We're nowhere near viable fake green energy. Even if we were all of the "green" energy techs depend on mass scale strip mining and acid leech fields to extract rare earth minerals. Those chemicals poison the land. There's nothing at all green about any of this.
>>525671750>the cost has fallen so low.Because it’s massively subsidized to a degree that isn’t sustainable.
>>525672126This isnt 2015 anymorehttps://www.peterbilt.com/trucks/zero-emission/579EV>>525672223Electric vehicles will always be cheaper to operate because of physics. They are 3x as efficient as ICE
>>525662750>ukraine>pay us backsuuuuure
>>525672895EV trucks have been on the market for years. Absolutely no one is actually buying them or putting them on the road. And like I said even if they did they would only be making pollution worse because of lithium mining and fossil fuel energy grids. The net effect of EVs is far worse for the environment than gas vehicles when you account for the manufacturing, supply, and energy source.
>>525648736Really should have invested in depopulation tools for Asia and Africa before knee capping ones self, thats if preserving the environment was the true goal
>>525648736They got scammaxxed.
>>525648736>now produce 20% less electricity at 3x the priceSuccess!!
>>525673105Diesel demand has already peaked in China because of them.
>>525648736Germans are the most retarded gorilla nigger dumb fuck faggots in all of non-balkan Europe.
>>525672895>Electric vehicles will always be cheaper to operate because of physics.I just love you idiots’ zero-loss, hypothetical, mathematical model bullshit
>>525673470He claims to be an engineer and he doesn't even understand the inefficiency and power loss transferring energy from a fossil fuel electric grid to a lithium battery and then to the motors of an EV. They don't educate engineers like they used to.
>>525673275China is desperate for an electric backstop because they are utterly reliant on foreign oil imports. Their unreal subsiding of electric is strategic, not practical.
>>525673470EVs convert 90% of the energy stored in their "fuel" to mechanical work. ICE is more like 30%>>525673630power plants are far more energy efficient than car engines. combined cycle plants are above 60% now and they burn cleaner.>>525673643they arent the only ones, a lot of 3rd world shitholes are going all in on solar because its cheaper than blowing their forex reserves on oil.
>>525674022Answer me this one question for me to see if i should take you seriously at all: why do electric grids use ac and not dc?
>>525674320AC is easier to transmit long distances without losses.
>>525674511>easierKek, you looked that up and still got the important part wrong. That’s like saying it’s easier to go to space with a rocket ship than with a bicycle.
so? the purpose of renewable energy is to reduce pollution not to immediately make everything cheaper
>>525648736Some sources would be great yo. Note that your ass is not a source.
>>525648736"Green" is just a meme to suck more money out of the goyim.
>>525673172>3x the pricethis is mostly because of "friendly" prices they have to pay to burgers for energy now.
>>525648736Buhh muh carbon and being a role model its totally worth it....
>>525656548Yep. I knew Germany is fucked when even the Swed greens went "WTF"
>>525673630you burgers are just stupid as fuck lately.like there's no "power loss" in transferring gas to tank of your car and the whole refining process. idk how stupid you have to be to think that electricity going through some wires is less efficient that pumping mechanically gas through pipeline and then transferring it by fucking trucks to gas stations.
>>525648736we're de facto a green-neomarxist dictatorship
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>>525673081Lol Germany was never paid back by anyone ever. And they wouldn't dream of ever demanding such.
>>525648736germans are retards
>>525648736they saw what happened in fukushima and didnt realise they arent in japan..
>>525648736>pays hamas to murder your family
>>525676574Problem with german-green is non-scientific approach. It's eco-populism which comes down more to what feels "right" than actual hard science.That's why we end with virtue-signaling laws like tethered bottlecaps which do more damage by alienating people than helping planet whatever.
>>525676509>idk how stupid you have to be to think that electricity going through some wires is less efficient thanOh great, another retard whose only concept of electricity is putting c batteries in an rc car remote control.
>>525677211just buzz off
>>525668817>I'm an engineer>carbon fiber is made out of rocksAh okay. Opinion disregarded. Do you know that the turbines pollute by erosion, too? Microscopic carbon fiber dust, where did I hear that before? Must be healthy
>>525677051Yep it was a none propblem (buh muh study found bottle caps at the shore, yeah all from the rives of Africa and India) if anything the whole bottle was chugged away as you are automatically screw the cap back on, now I feel like throwing that shit into nature (I wont of course because I have impulse control)>hich comes down more to what feels "right"And nepotistic grifting annon dont forget the sweet gravy you skim off when your brother in law is in charge of a 900 billion € project)
>>525677302Why do electric grids use ac and not dc?
>>525648736There was this girl with braids you see and she was.....how should I put it.....very charismatic.
>>525677458Convenience, it's easier to convert from AC to DC than vice versa
>>525677600Not even close. If the grid was dc, not only would there have to be a power station on every street corner, and not only would ling distance transmission be practically impossible, the accumulated power loss on the grid would require multiples of more generation from the source to service the end nodes. This matters to the conversation about ev etc because power loss and transference of power is the name of the game when comparing ev’s to ice.
>>525678003you got high voltage lines for long distance transmissions. Power loss correlates to the square of the (effective) current. If it's DC or it's AC does not matter. You also don't have your shit together when it comes to electricity
>>525678482Only ac has the benefit of loss being inverse square to voltage.
>>525678003Additionally you have transformers at every corner in your country because you have over-the-ground wiring without a common and thus need a triangle-star trafo for common which is used in all household appliances
>>525678659are you retarded? Ohm's law applies to both small and large signal
>>525649074>don't need new raw materials>what is maintenanceA german traitor typed these words. With the investment you people instrumentalized to distribute between your cronies you would have made safe, rupture-proof nuclear or geothermal plants instead of windmills where there's no wind and solar panels where there's no sun
green energy was invented as a response to oil embargoes and shortages. as such it will always have its right to existence. the whole saving the planet thing is just to get the normies on board. since germany does not have natural oil and is dependent on world trade its a reasonable thing to invest in.the really retarded thing was killing nuclear
>>525648736Dunno where this guy gets his numbers from. Since the start of the green policies in the year 2000 we consume 13% less electricity, despite growing from 80 to 84 million people and increasing our industrial output by about 20% thanks to gains in energy efficiency. Electricity prices grew from about 17cents/kWh to about 40 cents/kWh, or about 3.48% per year. The largest increase is, of course, due to losing cheap Russian energy as a result of the Ukraine war. Before the war, prices were about 33 cents/kWh. That would be a growth of about 3.2% per year. Sounds much less dramatic if you put it this way.
>>525649403you elected women and commies, though, and they shut all that down.
