A study so narrative breaking they had to blocked it from archive.org and pol too.>In one study, 26 percent of a random sample of 30 people talked to themselves inwardly.>The median percentage across subjects was 20 percent.If anyone ever tells you evolution isnt real, show them the inner monologue pill. Some human beings are more "evolved" than others. Some peoples ancestors went out of their way to learn to read and write millenias ago, while others only began learning to read and write only within the past century, and only because they were forced to. You all know about the evolutionary differences between races, but there are evolutionary differences WITHIN races that often goes completely neglected. One of the greatest pills you can take to understanding nature is this pill, and to understanding the world id place it right up with there with the jewpill. In fact, its quite relevant to the jewpill.I cant even link the study because its blocked on pol. you can find the link here.https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/331221003/
ITT OP had his 13th birthday last week and finds out about the NPC meme
>>525659090that whole rawdog meme easily showed how many people have nothing in their head.
>>525659090>tfw not living on retard modeSometimes I envy those people
>>525659265no im making this thread for all the 18 year olds who turned 13 last week and think they know what the NPC meme is about, but dont. and now they will.
>>525659090Jewish fantasy #362
>>525659090its not evolution, though it might seem as such. theres been plenty of names for it throughout history, its not remotely new. The "inner monologue" is a connection to the divine. if you have it you are not merely having a conversation with yourself, theres another listener. Its the Holy Spirit. or what ever else you want to call it. But that conversation is where all true artistry and invention come from, every breakthrough, every eureka moment. If you have it develop it further. If you dont have it, best figure out why that is (you are full of shit).
>>525659090Fundamentally this is the reason why the world never changes.
>>525659481now you know why that jack nicholson quote in a few good men was so influential. because its true. and those people so often find themselves in places of influence, power, and prestige.if you are jews and you need useful idiots, why not rely on the people who are biologically and cognitively incapable of noticing them, or noticing their entire power structure is built on a lie? to answer the age old question of how they find these peoples who will willingly destroy their own nations and races, you must factor in the NPC Question.from what I can gather there are two types of NPC's, Natural and Unnatural (Environmental). - Natural NPC's>no inner monologue>cant rotate an apple in their mind>no amount of education will fix either one of these- Unnatural NPC's>NPC's entirely created through environmental means. video goyims, tel avivision, common core education, noahide religions>somewhere on the apple spectrum>have atleast the capacity for an inner monologue, but might not use it to its potential.>can be reeducated / "woken up" in the right circumstances.both are subjected to environments which encourage NPC thinking, like here on pol, adding that NPC study to the spam filter. NPC's did that.the sad part of the NPC pill is that Unnatural NPC's are a very, very small minority of the overall NPC's.
>>525659597it comes from the greeks dummy
>>525661142>>525659597and before them you ironically had the annunakithe NPC Question is ANCIENT. it just became entirely neglected throughout the jewish period, because jews and abrahamism rely on NPC's for labor
>>525661073what ever the actual mechanisms the lack of an inner monologue seems to be directly correlated to the inability to see truth. and if that is correct, if that is the defining trait, then it can be much more simply said that the difference between having an inner monologue or not having one is the same difference as being good or evil
>>525659090I thought that having conversations with myself just meant I was a little crazy.
>>525659090>I must narrate my life like the protagonist in my favorite Marvel moviekys NPC.I can think using words, but it is vastly slower than just thinking.
>>525659265>>525659597Forgot to change you memeflag when disconnecting from wifi you fucking retard LOL
>>525659090Actually, inner monologue is just the mean.The scale goes up AND down from there.
>>525659532Fuck you nigger. Inner monologue aphantasia are different things
>>525663161This. Thinking in sentences is highly inefficient. No surprise that midwits who think in words and sentences assume it’s the highest level thinking.
>not having entire conventions in your head
>>525664923>not having multiple characters in your head telling you different things all the time
>>525665179>having to constantly filter out the bad actorsit be like that
>>525665179>Not simulating the entire universe in your mind to run multiple possible timelines all at once to the point conversation becomes futile.
I have a pretty hostile relationship with my inner monologue. It's always so judgemental and bitchy that I eventually just get fed up with it and start thinking really hostile thoughts at it until it goes away.
Why are faggots such huge faggots?
>>525665470>BPD femoidPost tits.
You all are creations of my imagination. This entire universe is entirely in my mind.
>>525665470repent and seek Jesusis just your subconscience telling you your a sinning cunt
>>525665756Nah it's a demon. But I fill myself with spiritual power and then I command it to begone. I'm a pretty powerful psyker so I can usually drive away evil spirits with a little effort.
>>525659090The very idea of "thinking" LLMs, which was a huge improvement in cognition and output, is basically having the LLM engage in an internal monologue before responding. The fact that so many people don't do this is just as horrifying to me as the idea that so many people are completely unable to visualize things in their head. Are they even human? I believe in NPCs.
>>525664649Allow me to explain. One of the biggest human super powers is the ability to iconify things. This is the ability to take literally anything, even the most complext of concepts, and represent it symbolically. This is language and it allows us to not only transmit but also simulate literally anything we want. Your inability to do this is a literal disability.I'm saying you're literally retarded.
>>525659090I always wonder how do these people read?
>>525659090If you haven't had inner monologue from birth you are a fucking NPC
>>525664474.t hylic
>>525665931>bro its a demon I dont need Jesus
>>525666404Something precedes languages whenever you form a thought using language.The fact you need to translate everything into words instead of just thinking shows you are a oversocialized midwit.I'm sorry, but that's the truth and you may cope and seethe below if it helps.
>>525666404I can do this but I choose not to. I think faster than words can be sounded out.My handwriting was always horrific at school because I think far faster than I can move a pen.
>>525659481>he relies on inner monologuewhat a fuckign tard
>>525666749Correct. Jesus is weak. My gods are strong. Mars, the god of war. Odin the god of kingly rulership. Kali the goddess of death. My gods are stronger than Jesus. My gods are battle gods that have ruled from ancient times predating your Jesus. Your jewish zombie lord. I won't submit to weak dead gods. My gods must be gods of power, gods of war and destruction. Unstoppable gods that are mighty as I am mighty. I embody my gods. They fill me with unending POWER.
>>525666758You're absolutely wrong. Your dog and cat think in pictures because they lack the ability to iconify arbitrary abstract concepts. This is a basic human ability and you are disabled if you lack this power.
>>525667121forgot pic
>>525659090Cool it with the antisemitism.
> Some people have inner monologue, some don'tHow the fuck then people without inner monologue are able to read? When I'm reading I just hear voice in my head speaking the words I'm looking at. How are they doing it?
>>525659090my thinking is more shape, structure. transformations, translations, rotations. like seeing future paths. words, on the otherhand, are cheap, meaningless, condensing entire spectrums into one symbol. lossy. i can summon monologues whenever i want, and i can tell you they are shit in comparison.shiggy diggy
>>525667132>I fight demons with demonsand here I thought this wouldnt get more retarded
>>525666968Of course you can. I don't think at speaking speed. This is why you can get used to listening and comprehending language at 3x speed because generally speaking, you think orders of magnitude more quickly than you can speak.
>>525659265Let's just play along and congratulate him.
Evolution isn't real. Adam and Eve did not have ancestors.
>>525667263Demons respect the hierarchy of hell. My gods are too mighty for them to stand against me. If I command the demon to begone, to dispel, it must obey my command. I speak for gods mightier than them.
>>525667174I can do it, but as >>525666968Stated, it is highly inefficient.Also, animals don't think using pictures, you retard.Please stop posting, you are just embarassing yourself at this point.At least the schizo posting in this thread is entertaining, you're just a midwit.
>>525659090>Literally voice of God given to 15% of men>Acktyually it's evolution guys
>>525667220This is going to be used for cope by the 85%
>>525659090Good effort post OP.I believe the humans without Inner Speech aren't actually humans or shouldn't qualify. I believe these Silent Heads are the cause most of our problems in the human condition. Idiots create problems for intelligent people and should be, properly, culled.
>>52565909090% of your social conditioning comes from training "your" inner monologue.it's not you, it's just your brain spitting up its conditioning, reflexes and opinions. and those come from outside. almost none of them are formed yourself even if you delude yourself into thinking that.it's just the mind replaying and rehearsing what it has already heard. and if structured correctly it becomes a mental prison where a person is incapable of altering their behavior because they have an internal redditor or incel constantly telling them otherwise.people that talk about the inner monologue as if its some sort of godsend or proof of a soul are complete fucking retards that do nothing but demonstrate their ignorance. they have it but they have not examined it. they take it at face value as something that is theirs or born out of their will, when it is simply the brain's radio.actual THINKING has more to do with directed awareness and perception. directed thought, not just rumination and autoplay that most autists count as a triumph for some reason.
>>525659532Okay but no one sees vivid color right? I see vivid details but thr color is kind of dulled because it mixes eith the black
>>525659090How do these people even read or write then?
>>525659090Its quite painful when mixed with anxious perspectives though- mind use to never shut off even while trying to sleep. Luckily I started taking ashwagandha and my brain is willing to be quiet when I want it to. If anyone here has the same issue I hope you find something to aid you.
>>525661073> cognitive dissonance
Bit of a tangent... People don't read anymore. Reading requires imagination. You see the words on the page and you imagine the story playing out. People who lack imagination are just looking at text on a page. When I read a book, I'm creating a scene in my head. I generate the world, the characters, the voices, the sounds, the smells, the behaviors and interactions. In my minds eye, parallel to reading, I'm generating a complex movie in my mind equal to anything hollywood could ever produce. In many ways, the epic scope of my own imagination dwarfs what is possible with special effects and within budgets. Without any budgetary constraints I can envision anything, no matter how fantastical. In vivid, higher than HD quality, in my head for free. My brain is better than the most advanced AI generating movies, and it's making these movies just for me, for myself to experience.
>>525659090It goes both ways though. Retards don't inner monologue because they dont have thought, but geniuses also don't do it all the time either because they have complex thought. Language is limiting and for the purpose of communication. Condensing complex ideas into language is meaningless and inefficient. That does not mean, however, geniuses are not CAPABLE of it. They could at any time.Just say'n, nigro.
>>525659090>NOT EVERYONE HAS DEMONS
>>525667853They don't or tend to ignore both when they can. Usually using cheats like copying text here and there too...Niggers can't read or write and that's why they are always having loud conversations on the phone in public... can't just send a fucking text or read one.
>>525659090Oh god not this shit again
a breakfast flew over my house this morning
>>525665683Solipsism is refuted by it's own dullness. It may still be true but wouldn't be worth it.
The only midwit "look how much smarter i am than the ledditors" thing i hate more than this is people saying "how would you feel if you didnt have breakfast this morning" to eachother as if they actually believe your average person cant imagine a hypothetical. A fucking cat can deal in hypotheticals. What do you think fear is
>>525659532In my mindI taste the appleI hold the appleI feel its waxy skin I hear the appleI smell the appleYou just rotate it like some crappy gifWe are not the same
A reframe. One way to think of gods and demons is the concept of the egregore. It's non-physical, it's made up of thoughts, mental energy. The power of the egregore is real though. It exists in the believer. When the good church going people pray in church and listen to the word of Jesus, they add their own psychic energy to the egregore Jesus, and in their shared knowledge of the desires of the egregore Jesus, the behavior of the congregation is manipulated. The hand of god controlling man, comes from the mind of man. So god exists, and man is the physical body and brain of the living god on earth. However the larger part of the egregore exists in the 'cloud' so to speak.
>>525667454Animals engage in purely sensory based cognition meaning images, sounds, tastes and smells. This is a fact. They can't think iconically. You keep calling me a midwit. You're clearly projecting.
>>525668521uh fear doesn't require hypotheticals, only an amygdala willing to scream
>>525668760>sensory based cognition>They can't think iconicallyhere's why I'm calling you a midwit.Also, you still haven't refuted my main argument how there is something that precedes language.Please talk about that so I can laugh some more.
>>525668683The eastern teachings say to quiet the mind. tthoughts are automatic and a scam. the quiet mind is in harmony with the one God.so OP?>>525659090the most wise and advanced all say thinking in yourself is best avoided.
>>525659090This thread is intended to tell you what you want to hear, you fucking retards. You think actual geniuses making new discoveries in math and physics thought it all out with words? You think the sages who codified the divine discovered God through language?Thinking words and sentences in your head is one of the least efficient forms of thought there is, compared to higher forms such as visual and pure conceptual.To give a real simple analogy, thinking in a monologue is like reading out loud and pointing at each word on the page.
>>525659090Nigga, if you ain't got an inner dialog, you dead.
>>525669088True. that's why a hefty dose of a disassociative like PCP, Ketamine or DXM is a direct gate to the throne of god. You can just dissolve your ego to complete nothingness and hang out in the presence. It's pretty cool.
>>525659265FLUSH YOURSELF JEET
>>525669329so, the people that do not have the inner voice. aren't they basically blessed? I have to sit and meditate while they just not have the inner voice? the opposite of what OP says. did people without the inner voice in past lives already did the work to quiet the mind?all the sages of the east say thoughts are a scam and thinking in yourself is pointless and useless. meanwhile OP thinks its great to have a crazy voice in his head. truly clown world
So reading this thread it's come to my attention that apparently some of you have an inner voice that you do not inherently recognize as yourself? wtf lolAll the voices in your head, all of your thoughts of any sort, they are all you and you can even change your own thoughts and ways of thinking if you so choose (which you had better do lest someone else choose for you).Like, take control of y'all's minds ya dumb niggers.
>>525659090I don't believe in evolution. Us with inner monologs came from Adam the rest monkeys
>>525669069You want me to acknowledge the existance of schemas and archetypes? Sure ok. Those exist and precede language. Your turn. Are you literally sitting right here with a straight fucking face trying to convince me the prevailing idea of cognition with respect to non-humans is wrong? Because if so, you're argument is not with me but with the state of cognitive science generally. Your turn. Tell me how I'm wrong leaf.
>>525669228the worst are people who never turn off their inner dialogue. that way you're never experiencing the presen because the present is always taken up by your thoughts interpreting the past even if it's less than a second ago. and that interpretation probably comes second to some tangential bullshit. always a middleman in the way of life. now that's death
>>525668671I can do all those including the rotatation
>>525663430i hate them so much its unreal
>>525669668Seeing that you're belgish you may not have spent much time around niggers. But if you had, you'd know they are extremely, let's call it "outgoing". They're constantly talking and making noise and interacting, even if they have absolutely nothing of substance to communicate and are literally just repeating the same handful of things over and over again at each other while getting more and more excited.They do this because they have no internal stimulation whatsoever, and thus seek out external stimulation. If there is nothing going on around them and they're not acting out they may as well be dead. That's why 99% of niggers can never sit quietly. It's some not ascended buddha meditation state of mind, it's just the utter lack of cognitive ability.
Does it count if every now and then I say WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING LAD to myself in my head
>>525659090It is kind of crazy to think that probably the majority of people go about their lives with nothing going on in their heads. That’s closer to being a dog or an insect, responding to the world purely with instinct. It does explain why most people are dumb as shit. Feels very isolating. I truly believe probably only like 15-20% of humans are truly sapient
>>525669692>You want me to acknowledge the existance of schemas and archetypes?No, I want you to acknowledge your brain has to do some form of activity for you to think of words.>Are you literally sitting right here with a straight fucking face trying to convince me the prevailing idea of cognition with respect to non-humans is wrong?I'm saying animals have cognition beyond sensory.I.E.: when your dog smells food, it establishes a relation between the smell and the food. There is necessary operators beside the senses for your dog to come running to you.>with the state of cognitive science generallyTheir arguments are far more nuanced and complex than yours.I've also dropped quite a few time in their faculty at my uni to shit on them.So, yes.
>>525664649your thoughts aren't as deep as you think they are. consider the following example: if I tell you to imagine a green triangle and draw what you are thinking of you can probably do it easily. now what if I tell you to draw sanic the hedgehog or some other cartoon character you are familiar with? you might think "of course I know what sanic looks like," and even picture it in your mind, but when you attempt to put it on paper you will find that you don't quite remember specific details. did he have two eyes or just one eyeball shaped like glasses? did he have a snout or not? your non-verbal thoughts are the same way. you might feel like you have a complete understanding of some concept, but if I told you to type it out and explain it to me, you would find yourself having to think about the details as you write them out. even writing this reply required me to stop and think about the ideas I had immediately after reading your post.
>>525659090>In one study, 26 percent of a random sample of 30 people talked to themselves inwardly.>The median percentage across subjects was 20 percent.Numbers checks out. 20%, 26% is about the numbers of true Souled Beings around this realm. 80-75% is the number of NPC’s which are “live only once beings” and have no souls, and are spawned on this realm to misguided souled beings. 76-80% is also coincidentally the ratio of those that took the shots of mystery juice during the coof. The good news is that number of souled beings around is relatively low, much lower than what I expected. This means a lot of souled beings successfully escaped this fake and gay reality after death instead of being recycled, deceived by the white light, memory wiped and sent again as a baby to suffer for another life time. Glad that many made it. We have now 20-25% of souled beings to be escape that way the Demiurge will have only NPC’s and jews to get loosh from. The bad news is this will make the Demiurge go for unconventional attacks against souled being like the coof injections being tools used to make sure one gets recycled and no chance to escape post-death.
>>525670116You know in the dragon ball z series. one of the highest abilities is called "ultra instinct". that's when you stop thinking. Nothing going on up there is a peaceful and happy state. what's a lot worse is constantly thinking. even when you don't have to. when are sitting in the bus watching outside and constantly there's narration in your mind about all kinds of bullshit. they call it "monkey mind"
>>525670393Oh yeah I definitely envy the retards on some level. Not having to think and worry all the time sounds great. I also think it’s why black people smoke weed in high amounts constantly, they don’t have the capacity for existential crises or anxiety
>>525659090>>In one study, 26 percent of a random sample of 30 people talked to themselves inwardly.This is why I can't play guitar properly. My mind is always yapping about something. Evaluating, planning, trying to strategize against previous mistakes.I can't zone out like a normaltard and let my brain rest and achieve something meaningless.If something isn't taxing enough, my brain starts to multitask.
>>525670166>your brain has to do some form of activity for you to think of words.You're not even being serious now. Of course your brain has to fucking work you dumb shit. And yes, I'm not going to give you a 300 page fucking nuanced treatise on this shit because I've already identified you as a mid-wit at best. Just admit you're wrong and got your shit pushed in.
>>525670527you were too caught up in your train of thought to process his postalways a middleman in the way of life
>>525669672You lack granular self-awareness. I understand where you're coming from, but closer examination of the verbal thinking process shows the thoughts originate beyond the self. This is what Socrates called Daimonion, an inner voice that appears within the mind as though from an external source, that provides wise counsel, advice and warnings.This is also the basis of prayer. When you contemplate a question, focus closer on where exactly the answers appear from. They do NOT come from your self - and you can infact dialogue with it. But bear in mind, a tree is judged by its fruits. The voice is not always coming from a positive source - don't assume it's always good for you.
>>525659090An inner dialogue is literally a script; npc behaviour
>>525670393>You know in the dragon ball z series. one of the highest abilities is called "ultra instinct". that's when you stop thinking. No thought state that is attained through transcendantal meditations is not what the NPC’s go through, “no thought state” is when you go so deep that you forget that you even exist, not even aware of you living, it really deep. The NPC’s on the other hand, they dont have the inner chatter, when you have things to do, usually you would visualize the things, make a plan, with objects in your head, side notes which is the inner chatter, and then execute your stuff to do following that inner planning. The NPC cannot achieve this. They have nothing going inside, because they have no souls, they are like organic drones/robots that are born out of human vagina like all of us.
>>525669668I think it's dual purpose. You can quiet the mind and be receptive to the voice of god speaking reality into existence, OR you can become an artist, and treat the reality like clay which can be molded and shaped, so that you become an active participant in creation and not just a passive observer. Observing reality is the highest honor, but we can also express ourselves within the creation. By choosing how we observe reality we can lens it toward outcomes of our choosing.
>>525670844Ok, but everyone on your island is semi inbred.
>>525659090Inner monologue is useful but over reliance makes you vulnerable to luciferian manipulation (language). There are other ways of knowing. Your inner monologue is the servant, not the master
>>525667220Ok you’ve convinced me. How do I get rid of this incessant inner voice and become a chad?
>>525659090Bro i have built the white ethnostate intergalactic empire in my head, if the normies knew what i was capable of had God not nerfed me with narcisstic parents who obliterated my self-esteem, they'd put me inside that fucking cube in Saturn along with Satan, Palpatine or Hannibal Lecter
>>525670829>Of course your brain has to fucking work you dumb shitThank you.Thus, if you have a thought shaped like the following>Proto word A (pA)Brain activity that generates word A.>pX - > X>pY - > Y>X in relation to Y - > ZWouldn't you say the steps proto word to word aren't needed?A true intellect could skip that part.Please disagree below.
>>525671164>luciferian manipulation (language)not if you arent ignorant or ignoble about it.do you understand = do you stand under meso thats why i always say comprehend, never understand
>>525664649>No surprise that midwits who think in words and sentences assume it’s the highest level thinking.The problem here is that blacks and browns are the ones lacking the internal monologue, and we know they're not the smartest people on the planet.You are coping about having the brain of an animal, nigel.
>>525671164satan is an outside voice, not an inside voice
>>525671075>you can quiet the mind and be receptive to the voice of god speaking reality into existence,The sages say that only the ego speaks. God is found in silence. that's why they sit still, meditate and avoid letting thought arise.Bible--> Be still, and know that I am God:
>>525670393>they call it "monkey mind">Here we go in a flung festoon,Half-way up to the jealous moon!Don’t you envy our pranceful bands?Don’t you wish you had extra hands?Wouldn’t you like if your tails were–so–Curved in the shape of a Cupid’s bow?Now you’re angry, but–never mind,Brother, thy tail hangs down behind!Here we sit in a branchy row,Thinking of beautiful things we know;Dreaming of deeds that we mean to do,All complete, in a minute or two–Something noble and grand and good,Won by merely wishing we could.Now we’re going to–never mind,Brother, thy tail hangs down behind!All the talk we ever have heardUttered by bat or beast or bird–Hide or fin or scale or feather–Jabber it quickly and all together!Excellent! Wonderful! Once again!Now we are talking just like men.Let’s pretend we are… Never mind!Brother, thy tail hangs down behind!This is the way of the Monkey-kind!Then join our leaping lines, that scumfish through the pines,That rocket by where, light and high, the wild-grape swings,By the rubbish in our wake, and the noble noise we make,Be sure–be sure, we’re going to do some splendid things!t. Kipling
>>525671239https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-JiQubfMPg
>>525659090The Gnostics were right about the existence of hylics. Hinduism has a similar term called "pashu". Pic-related explores the NPC concept and evidence.
>>525671075>OR you can become an artistyou won't create good art with chattering mind
>>525668671I can do all those things including producing an apple.
what about a inner monologue that never turns off, a constant stream of pure thought, like a waterfall crashing down with no end.
>>525669668>all the sages of the east say thoughts are a scam and thinking in yourself is pointless and useless. Not really. The sages of the East say, to slow down the thought numbers by attaining the “no thought state” through meditations, the result of the meditation will be going from 10000 thoughts a day to 1000 thoughts a day. Now humans have a determined amount of energy (chi/prana/life force) and each thought uses some of it, if you have 10000 thoughts a day, your thoughts will be weak in energy, and you will feel drained as you would be consuming your life force/chi, on the other hand if you have 1000 thoughts a day, each thought would be more powerful and help you achieve more things in real life, you wouldn’t be drained but busy materializing your powerful thoughts thus becoming fulfilled. So the sages are not against the “inner monologue” but say to control it, as a wild horse, one must direct it in the direction that is best. Shutting down the mind during meditations help tam the wild horse.
>>525670912You can claim its divine inspiration or tapping into the akeshic records or channeling pleiadians or gussy it up however you please but it's still just you.
>>525659090inner monologue is overrated and has an extremely low information density and diversity. you folks here are fighting over scraps that have you in what i would've assumed to have you in the 20th percentile. surprise, it is the 80th percentile.
>>525661073You rationalise in movie quotes; you are a programmed npc. Well done TV brain.
For all of those who are fully convinced that inner monologue = holy spirit, I will share with you a conversation the I had with the holy spirit a few months ago while meditating in the shower:Communicating through surface thoughts is not the optimal way of communicating with the spirit. Although it can provide clarity on topics you are confused about, it doesn't often create new information. There are two problems in play here. The first is that if you hear a voice in your head out of the blue, it's hard to tell if it's the holy spirit, a demon, or your own subconscious providing schizophrenic babblings. The second is that whatever does get said gets filtered through your brain, which may have learned lies and thus distorts the words your hear to conform to those lies.The spirit does have a way to communicate wordlessly, which is more effective. You feel it like a sudden premonition. "If I do this, something bad will happen." Or a pang of guilt when you do something bad.
having an inner monologue and then connecting various infos youve read about and mind mapping them into nodes and connecting them to each other, synthesizing your own theories and reflecting how those theories explain your past experiences which in turn makes you braingasm from all the things youve done while idling in the bus or zoning out at work. so is this just me?
>>525670389great post. there may be a way of definitively identifying these NPCs
>>525671301>Bro i have built the white ethnostate intergalactic empire in my headBased inner world builder. I got a congregation of versions of myself inside my head, and each one has his weight and word to say on his designated field. We regularly cheer like Zion getting freed from Mr Smith at every success achieved. > God not nerfed me with narcisstic parents who obliterated my self-esteemThe Demiurge did this not God. He made sure you never shine too hard, break the chains, be free.
>>525667220This image has always been serious copium. Having an inner monologue doesn't mean you're restricted to only thinking in words and sentences, otherwise maths, reading and problem solving would be slow as hell for anyone with one. But it isn't.An inner monologue is just an additional process that occurs alongside your thinkingAn example could be how one counts beats when playing an instrument but that counting isn't needed and is often dropped after a bar or two as your brain is capable of just keeping that beat. Do NPCs really think a person with an inner monologue has to read "2+2" outloud in their head to reach "4"? Do NPCs really think?
>>525671353they have the brains of animals and you have the brain of of an animal with a slower and more limited chat gpt bolted onhe's talking about something higher than both and it's quite telling how people are missing that
>>525659090Evolution isn't real. This is more proof to back up there being three types of people. Hylics, Psychics, and Pneumatics
>>525667220im left because im part slavic
>>525671992You're exposing your own dim consciousness. If you had ever had a single moment of divine inspiration and truly been self-aware of how it arose in your mind, you'd understand.
>>525659090This is bullshit The “scientific” version of clickb8Literally fucking everyone has an inner monologue. Schizos are usually speaking this inner voice out loud. So even crazies have it
>>525671314Yea intention is key. If you are trying to describe reality with language you're using it properly. What they try to do is convince you your inner monologue is itself the arbiter of Truth. Once you believe that, your other tools for sense making atrophy, and you become extremely vulnerable to linguistic manipulation and propaganda
>>525665470kek same
>>525667849I can see the colors vivid, with nuance, light and shadow. In fact, by focusing my thoughts, I can even slightly change reality, like making things a bit lighter or darker.
>>525659090ITT we post examples of our inner monologue:fucking niggersfucking kikesfucking kiked niggers
>>525672581if you want to be all spiritual or esoteric or whatever you can just say that you inherently are the creator/god/infinite existence as am I as are we all so it can be divine inspiration after all but it's still just (you).
>>525671549>>525672502gnosticism is satanic
>>525659532The head should start White and become progressively more black as the apple fades kek
>>525672101>inner monologue is overrated and has an extremely low information density and diversityIf you don't have an inner monologue how can you know how useful it is or isn't?
>>525672977I had that same thought when I looked at the pic lol.
>>525667849You need to clear your mind with some meditations it will be vivid, breathing meditations are best to start. Then if you want to go deeper you could try Monroe hemi sync tapes (leaked from the CIA, but even the internet is leaked from Darpa so…) then it will be as clear as day, even your dreams will be remembered and under your control.
>>525672444>you have the brain of of an animal with a slower and more limited chat gpt bolted onThe difference here is that my brain is designed to handle more difficult questions and problems than>should i rape my sister?or>shiiet should i rob dat 7-11?So yes, one would hope that difficult problems are not solved with very quick animal brains designed for solving very basic problems (needs/wants), or The Four F's.
>>525671389Satan can mimic your inner voice. That's what propaganda is intended to do If you become overly reliant on the linguistic your other tools for sense making atrophy. You lose the discernment to distinguish *your* thoughts from propaganda
The universe is a big brain and it's conscious. We're just a part of that big consciousness but it's fractal so that each piece contains a low resolution copy of the whole. The as above, so below line is true. But also reality is a projection, and it's being projected from a substrate which contains that whole.
>>525672916Black and white. Good and evil. Satan and God. Duality created to divide the souled beings and keep them constantly divided. That way they never understand that this realm is the trap, keeping them busy. Gnosticism is the only explanation to this world that makes sense, all other ones (Abrahamic or approved religions) dont. Also there is no Heaven or Hell that’s part of the narrative to prepare you to be tricked post death. We are eternal beings.
The real level of enlightenment happens when people who have inner monolog figure out how to silence it.
I really miss the manlet threads for watching people cope but these are almost as good.
>>525671643I can do all those things including growing the apple tree for several years
>>525673497>You lose the discernment to distinguish *your* thoughts from propagandaThis. Both are distinctly different. Sadly you have some weak souls consciously going for the negative voice then later regret it.
>>525669755this is me
>>525659090I need blood types of those with inner monologe vs those who don't
>>525673341yes congratulations you aren't a stereotypical nigger. the brit implied that it's still not the highest level thinking and he's correct.
>>525672273>The Demiurge did this not GodThis saddens me a lot, the struggle of our generation strained me to a point where i had been an on/off atheist for the most of my teenage hood and early youth and i forget about the other force that wants chaos and darkness in the world, it damaged my faith and weakened the light in my heart, whereas now that i have passed through the hormonal phase i can see how God has helped me through the most impossible obstacles that could have ended me a long time ago and i was nothing but ignorant, truly miraculous, i cannot fathom what he wants, his ways are truly mysterious, perhaps he does want the good to win without interfering so much as to invalidate free will, but if he did not like me, all he needed to do was abandon me which he didn't .
>>525672236That doesn't work. The legit test is to ask the candidate to write a story about a man on a ladder, imagining a man on a ladder writing a story, which is about a man on a ladder writing a story. Each subsequent imagined man on a ladder writing a story he can correctly and independently conceive and then articulate about infers an additional separate psyche. As I understand it the process of forming a separate internal monologue is part of a psychological split due to a trauma from formative years which helps the holder cope because the trauma is ongoing. For example a period of sustained stress and depression in preschool would likely form a partition, from which the victim would then start to converse with themselves internally. If this is the case then its quite sad to consider that internal monologues are more common in males. There is zero correlation between performance in standard iq tests such as ravens and internal monologues, although as other anons have pointed out, people with an internal monologue can imagine objects and mechanical interactions and visualise their consequences as abstraction which is and advantage when creating or fixing technologies, but are generally slower at reading and less proficient in short term memory tasks.
>>525673497>You lose the discernment to distinguish *your* thoughts from propagandacomplete garbage.>>525673554we are not eternal beings. we are dust. immortality of the soul does not exist.
>>525659090that's why blacks are always on speakerphone on the train
>>525671549a huge point of npcs is they are unable to condense information and provide sensible units of meaning, just like you posting your screencapvomit.what is the point of it? not only are there typos and grave errors theres no real point? are you a glownigger working, maybe add more some red text and red arrows and circles it wasnt enough....>>525670389>This means a lot of souled beings successfully escapedno, false deductions unfortunately. this means simply what it says, that 2/3 are mr smith programs to form a (false) consensus to sway the soulful 1/3 beings. you dont know. maybe theyve got eaten by some low life arcon, after gestating via many reincarnations afterwards, so they get yummy and delicious.>Glad that many made itnigger, they literally built massive aeonic pyramids to never forget the correct holes in the firmament again, to not make the mis take and chose the wrong fucking star to get channelled out of and, you think they had the slightest of a chance to escape without being the literal pharao? ding dong heeelooo? we have literal asketic monks training their entire life; training and harden their respective adam kadmons and still fail and you are>Glad that many made itare you sarcastic? i really hope you are right but i think you have no idea what your talking about.you really ought to lurk more.bumping
>>525673763The only things you can achieve with any other kind of thinking is physical activity, so yes it is.>what about enlightenment broName one thing it's been used for.
>>525659090I read way too many novels way too early as a kid and I narrated inside my head for a long time before finally stopping around age 10
>>525672279t. exposed midwit>>525671239what's the opposite of having an inner voice and are there situations you retrospectively became aware of that you hadn't had inner voice
>>525659090an actual monologue in your mind with yourself just to think is stupid. thats what comes to my mind when i hear that term. but you do have to have an inner voice, otherwise how do you read? or have a song stuck in your head?
>>525659532When I close my mind and concentrate, I can envision the apple and spin it around along any axis. However, ADHD makes this boring to do.
Inner monologue sucks and is mostly there to call you names, call out your shitty behavior and put you down.
>>525674177Does it ever help you remember instructions?
inner dialog and monologue and even visualization are adaptions your brain makes to help you interpret pure thought. The absence of these just means they don't need a literal interpreter for their own thoughts.
>>525672279Yes they do thinkBecause yes they do think that “ability” means “confined to”
>>525662962Some people only have an inner monologue and can't imagine any visuals
>>525673987I'm not talking about enlightenment. Enlightenment isn't the ability to willfully turn off your inner dialogue. There's very little point in somebody like you learning guitar. Session musician at most.
>>525663161So you never just ponder concepts?
>>525673798>whereas now that i have passed through the hormonal phase i can see how God has helped me through the most impossible obstacles that could have ended me a long time ago and i was nothing but ignorant, truly miraculous, i cannot fathom what he wants, his ways are truly mysteriousYou just described my situation as well, lol. I think we all pass through these phases especially 18-28 years old, that’s where you go on the lowest to find out the truth, once you ask for it. >perhaps he does want the good to win without interfering so much as to invalidate free willI believe God did not intend to fully interact in this physical reality, ONLY through US, souled beings, when I asked God for knowledge, he showed me that most people are not what I thought, we are surrounded, each souled being is surrounded by NPC’s and negative beings purposely by the opposition (the Demiurge) to make sure we never shine. Today I can immediately sense if someone is a souled being or an NPC, I dont waste much time with them anymore. >but if he did not like me, all he needed to do was abandon me which he didn't .Never forget that a souled being has the entire image of God inside of us, an image as cd .iso image copy, all of God is inside of all us, thus he will always be there for you.
did my dissertation on this people who lack an internal monologue are literally incapable of introspection take what you will from that
>>525659090>are more "evolved" than others. Some peoples ancestors went out of their way to learn to read and write millenias ago, while others only began learning to read and write only within the past century, and only because they were forced to. You all know about the evolutionary differences between races, but there are evolutionary differences WITHIN races that often goes completely neglected. One of th
>>525674335It's fun when doing maths because it usually repeats the numbers over and over again and sounds like an auctioneer having a stroke.
>>525674455like me. however I can in dream state i can visualize and I'm a natural lucid dreamer.
>>525667258I do all that and words. Pondering ideas and adjusting, rotating, adding and subtracting. It's introverted intuition.
>>525659090Sociopaths, automatons, philosophical zombies don't have an inner monologue. Humanity is evolving towards sociopathy. Just look at all the c-suite people at corporations, look at politicians. The ones without the inner monologue are more evolved than the ones with an inner monologue. You can see the move toward sociopathy in chimps as well where chimps are less likely to recognize themselves in a mirror than orangutans despite chimps being more intelligent.
>>525673848>we are not eternal beings. we are dust. immortality of the soul does not exist.Even in the astral realm it is extremely hard almost impossible to kill a soul, we are eternal, our bodies are made of literal star dust, but if you think we are not eternal then you are in a rough ride when your physical body expire.
>>525667849Vivid color is the default. More vivid then day to day life.
>>525666551Add it to the ick list
>>525659090Being able to turn your inner monologue off > Always having an inner monologue > Not having an inner monologue at all
>>525667959I used to have ruminating thoughts but I rebuke them in the name of Jesus now. My thoughts then become neutral to pleasant. I never have nightmares. Annoying is the worst my dreams can get. I dreamt last night of playing digital card games with detailed rulesets that don't exist in life.
>>525675048why, I am saved in Jesus Christ an will be raised up on the last day and given a body of glory.if you are not in Jesus Christ you will face judgement and probably final annihilation by fire.your soul stops existing at that point.star dust garbage is for new age faggots and witchtok crystal collectors.
>>525659090>n=30lollmao
>>525674177Nah bro, that's a demon. Isolate that voice and then give it a name. Names have power. Once you've trapped it with a name you can partition it or banish it. If it's resistant you can call on higher power for assistance and they are almost always willing to help. A daemon isn't necessarily an evil entity, but it can be. If you are being hounded and berated by a dark entity you just need to get rid of that shit. It's not beneficial to have a nagging voice in your head that can only talk shit about your decisions. You need to nip that shit in the bud. Tell that voice that "I am the master here, you have no power, BEGONE!" Just remember these spirits don't have any bodies or any real power and your thoughts can hurt them.
>>525659090people without inner monologue do not have souls. they are just filler characters in our world.
>>525672122Yet there's no way you could've come up with that post, NPC. Shut the fuck up
>>525675247nearly all the posts with this sentiment are brits and the americans can't even seem to comprehend it. funny that
>>525674611Thank you fellow soul
>>525673802what the fuck kind of bullshit are you coming up with? The only thing this is testing is memory. If Each man is identical i can literally do this endlessly. otherwise its just testing my memory on details I imagine.
>>525669755Its a problem
>>525659090I choose not to. I tend to overthink. I am devolving back to monke on purpose.
>>525675386>what is a daimonion>>525674611you should stop believing and start knowing. you are just embarassing yourself with your posts, more and more. also being pedantic and precise does help.
>>525674510I don't need language to ponder concepts.I'll give you an example.Let's think of the concept of a chair.In English, it's called a chair, in French "une chaise." Either way, it refers to the same concept.When I switch from one language to the other, I don't translate, I think of the concept of a chair and then apply it to whatever language I'm using.In other words, concepts transcend languages.
>>525659532Demon free No.5 here. Christ pilled and Thriving.
I'm pretty sure this whole argument is just a massive misunderstanding. How could you possibly read without saying the words in your head? That is what reading is.
>>525659090>Inner Monologue Pillthis is a double-edged swordtaken to its extreme is Schizophrenia
>>525659090>>525659532NPC Theory is real but these aren't valid indicators. If you can hallucinate an apple in your field of vision then you're probably on drugs or suffering from a psychotic episode. Likewise, your inner voice isn't you. It's your ego and it can be quieted using meditation or sleep. NPCs don't have conscious experience. Think of a video game where the king could be a programmed NPC while you the player character are playing as a hobo bum living on the streets. The key here is that the hobo's playthrough is being directly experienced. Not understanding this is actually a tell that you're an NPC yourself.
Scientists are developing MRI technology that allows them to render images based on the brain scan, and it's still shitty and makes a terrible blurry inaccurate picture, but it's real, and it will get better. I think eventually, people like me who are capable of generating a billion dollar movie in their head, will be plugging our brains into advanced AI systems so that we can render movies from our raw imagination and have the AI visualize it. So eventually there will be a super-high dollar value on the brains of people like me who have been developing this skill for decades. A brain incapable of rendering realities will be of little value.
>>525659090>>525659532>>525664474they are different but they are relatedyou can train aphantasia by using high contrast images as training wheels and lucid dreaming, inner monologue can't be trained and they'll forever stay npcs
>>525674494>I'm not talking about enlightenment. Enlightenment isn't the ability to willfully turn off your inner dialogueYet you wont clarify what it is you mean, leading me to believe you use it for doing useless things specifically like guitar or a personal best in some physical activity. Fast decision making is definitely not used for anything cerebral> There's very little point in somebody like you learning guitar. Session musician at most.kek you have no idea how good i am when can quiet my mind. so I'll agree it has uses, but never anything meaningful. just ego fluffing nonsense like sports etc.
>>525672192If I pray in tongues sometimes the Holy Spirit will start talking with my voice.
>>5256738871/2>maybe theyve got eaten by some low life arcon, after gestating via many reincarnations afterwards, so they get yummy and delicious.Souls cannot be killed. They could have been moved to other worlds as many other realms like this one exist whose purpose is to create loosh. Archons can hardly kill a soul let alone eat it. >they literally built massive aeonic pyramids to never forget the correct holes in the firmament again, True but the pyramids they built were literal portals to escape this fake and gay reality during their life time. That’s why they got reseted. They tried to go too hard, got stopped. >the slightest of a chance to escape without being the literal pharao? Today we have the access to knowledge the Pharaon had, no excuse. >we have literal asketic monks training their entire life; training and harden their respective adam kadmons and still fail and you areI dont believe they failed. They successfully escaped. Some came back with their soul memory intact. Which proved they successfully escaped then voluntarily decided to reincarnate to spread more knowledge and help more to escape. It’s not that hard to escape, you just need to be equipped with the right knowledge and know how to move in the astral, some talk about watching for ropes in the soul net over the earth as those that escaped try to help the recently deceased, I just focus on my ability of moving freely during my astral sessions, and equip myself for more tools that I create for the day my body expire. Im fully ready to “die” at any given moment. The Egyptians believed your body must be at 45 degrees angle at the moment of your death, I would have to build a reclining bed that goes to 45 degrees when I approach 60 years old kek.
>>5256738872/2>are you sarcastic? Im an old time lurker. Im convinced many escaped and that there are holes in the soul net, it’s not what you think once you die in the astral you have more freedom than this restrictive existence with an organic body and a limiting brain that constantly show you only a tiny fraction of what you truly projecting.
>>525675302>star dust garbage is for new age faggots and witchtok crystal collectors.Look at cremated bodies on a microscope. Why do you think jews use dead bodies to make fucking diamonds ?
>>525672733>Should I hate the Jews?>Yes they are the Synagogue of Satan>Are they though? What if I'm interpreting things wrong?>1000 different examples appearYes Jews are dangerous
>>525659481Honestly I've taken the full retard pill. Just smash my brains out with anything and everything. The alternative is listening to fucking morons all day everyday
>>525675660If you write a story about a man on a ladder, you don't have to remind yourself that there's a man on a ladder. The only reason you think that's a memory test is because you lack the ability to nest consciousnesses within your psyche, so the only way you can emulate the perception is by storing it in memory.
>>525675702>you should stop believing and start knowingElaborate. I know what you mean but I want the reader to read it. > more and more. also being pedantic and precise does helpYou would need to extend on this. You noticed I effort posted I expect the same from you.
>>525674162can you imagine biting into it and feel your teeth break the skin of the apple and hear the crunch and taste the flavor in your mouth
>>525674177Those are called intrusive thoughts. They aren't yours. I used to have them but they are gone now and it's wonderful.
>>525675943its not in your field of vision wtf? do you hallucinate memories in your vision?
>>525676993>>525674177Taking antiparasitics kills the intrusive thought.
>>525675660>The only thing this is testing is memory.It's not, it's testing abstract thought. your ability to create things in your mind that aren't real and keep them "loaded" at the same time, or as the other anon more accurate described as nestedbig surprise. black people have difficulty imagining a man that is not them, writing a story about a couple that is not them. it's too taxing on their mental processing power believe it or not
>>525674155Do you think before you act? Like I should go out or not? Pros and cons?
>>525676264Creativity is as meaningful as it gets, and the synergy between a state of pure intuition and of concious thought used as a tool is where the magic comes from.
>>525667220I do both, but I prefer the right.
>>525677282>where the magic comes from.>literal magical thinking to cope with being a monke brain>thinks feeling ecstasy at flowing in the moment, or Dao, is magic and not just temporary freedom from your own thoughts
>>525674963It amazed me when I worked in corporate how often obvious potential problems were never considered by the c suite. Its like the higher up the chain you go the dumber people would be. Half my job was anticipating and having ready plans for fuckups to save those morons from themselves.
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>>525659090Lack of inner monologue is not the L people think it is. These people process their thoughts so quickly the inner voice is not required. If anything people should be studying how the rest of us can get to that point.
>TLDR
>>525675537People without an internal monologe can't imagine one.People with an uncontrollable one can't imagine controlling it but it's possible
>>525677532It's not magical thinking. I was being patronizing. I'm giving you a hint as to why you're so dreadfully boring, unfunny and uninteresting, Norway.
>>525659090>raceRacist co-opting a tiny same-sized study.Same as it ever was.
>>525677653Fuck off back to jewishia, pedophile of zion
>>525677760>the majority of people are actually the smart onesWe know this is not true. Also, the majority of people are brown.
>>525659090I have inner monologue but I am jobless and bitchless so it feels like an useless power, it has made no difference in my daily life
>>525677800You make it sound like it's hard. You just stop talking in your head, retard. Holy kek
>>525675892There is a difference between a neutral inner voice and many voices fucking with you.
>>525677760It's not that difficult in theory.You have to first notice how thoughts "flash" in your mind before you "translate" them into a language.Eventually, you get to know your "brain-language" which you then can use to think without "translating."
>>525664649>not ordering your thoughts into language so you can try to communicate them later to othersLazy nigger.
>>525677801>uh..ackshully i..i..mega cope
>ITT
>>525677760It's very easy to process a simple thought.Most base impulses are simple thought, which requires no internal articulation.You cannot build civilization with base impulse.
>>525676213Pic related is a good example of how imagination can look like but clearer.
>>525667790/thread
>>525677161I can literally do this endlessly while writing it down. If i try to do the same thing in my head i can use clever patterns to keep it going maybe 5 or 6 times (first man is white, second is black, third is asian, etc)this is literally just testing memory
>>525678039You guys did.
jews will never be happy with the land they currently reside in>Always migrating like farts in the windAlways popping up like unwanted herpes>HONK
>>525673887>condense information and provide sensible units of meaningCondensing information is not necessarily a lossless process, and if it isn't, it will remove sensibility commensurate with the condensation, putting both of those elements into competition with each other. >screencapvomitInstead of shitting on good faith research, next time just say you don't have a functioning attention span. How is that for condensing information?>>525673802>The legit test is to ask the candidate to write a story about a man on a ladder, imagining a man on a ladder writing a story, which is about a man on a ladder writing a story.Where are you sourcing this test from or did you conceive of it yourself?>>525672916Pic-related is your supposedly unsatanic "god". God/Demiurge is the Devil. You have been fooled.>>525673554Based. Jesus Christ said the kingdom of heaven is within. We must turn inwards which is the basis for many spiritual abilities like astral projection which NPCs/hylics would presumably be incapable of.
>>525659432>ww16Best ID:| great, just fucking great. 16 world wars?
>>525659090Inner speech is for schizophrenics
>>525678157>Always popping up like unwanted herpes
>>525677760c o p e
>>525661142Are you telling me I'm Plato's Caving myself in my head?
>>525678157>jews will never be happy with the land they currently reside in>>Always migrating like farts in the wind>Always popping up like unwanted herpes>>HONK>>525678212
>>525669088Thoughts are necessary and without them we'd just be animals, but I agree that one needs to know how to "silence the mind."
>>525675660Sorry. I didn't explain it very well because i was being brief. This is a legit psychology test.The man on a ladder is writing a story about a man on a ladder imagining a man on a ladder writing a story. This abstract man who is writing a story while being the imagination of man who is on a ladder writing a story is imagining a man on a ladder writing a story. Its easier if you make them all have a different coloured ladder. At this point there will be 1 real man, and 4 imaginary men and 5 different coloured ladders. Every man is imagining a man on a ladder writing a story. The essence of the test is to correctly demonstrate that the test subject can clearly differentiate the different men. Its not a word game and the test exisits because a person with a strong internal monologue will have no issue writing this story. It is the standard clinical method for differentiating psychosis and possible schizophrenia from general psyche split and internalised verbal thoughts.
>>525678228Explain yourself gook. You think I don't have an inner monologue?
>>525659090Huh in 2011? That seems ahead of its time
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>>525678365>>jews will never be happy with the land they currently reside in>>>Always migrating like farts in the wind>>Always popping up like unwanted herpes>>>HONK
>>525678157>jews will never be happy with the land they currently reside in>also happiest countries in the world
>>525677960There's that trademark norwegian wit
>>525659090I'm in favor of killing every human lacking an inner monologue. Not even people, imo
>>525659532Reminds me of testing video cards I can split a realistic apple into slices and have them rotate around each other, but when I try to render pips the framerate starts to lag
>>525677760>These people process their thoughts so quickly the inner voice is not requiredIs that why other people are so quick and witty?
>>525678492jews will never be happy with the land they currently reside in>Always migrating like farts in the windAlways popping up like unwanted herpes>HONK
>>525659090the idea of using inner monologue everytime is silly, you are not the character of a bookit's fine if you are rehearsing a speech or something but not for normal thoughtswhen you have a thought your brain should process everything immediately, not waste time "narrating" it
>>525677836>on earth as it is in heaven
I even gave him a low hanging fruit with the tautology but alas
>>525678410writing it down is incredibly easy, imagining it in my head i can lose track of the details after a couple of iterations like i mentioned here>>525678139
>>525678587Hard to measure. But easy to tell when someone says something without needing to think. A quick answer is not often the right one though.
>>525677760>If anything people should be studying how the rest of us can get to that point.I have 3D visualization and inner monologue, but the inner monologue can take place with symbols and shapes not necessarily chatter, the problem OP is pointing out is the total absence of both inner monologues and visualization by the vast majority of humans who are certainly NPC’s. If you are a fast thinker and dont require inner chatter then you certainly visualize shapes and symbols/situations as well. Which does not make you inside the NPC box.
>>525677873>I am jobless and bitchlessYour inner monologue needs direction and that is the job of you the observer.Get the fuck off your mental couch and take control faggot.
>>525667220Holy copium from literal brainlets hahahaha
>>525678791I didn't read the OP. This isn't reddit. Writing a novel should not be respected.
>>525678710Guiseppe is 100% spot on. I think it's some form of autism or something where people can only exclusively think in speech. It's beyond retarded lnao
>>525659481My inner monologue doesn't sound like me. It sounds like Kevin Conroy.
>>525678866And yet you invested the time to type out a reply and solve a captcha just to tell him so Curious
>>525667220What if you have both inner monologue and cerebration ?
>>525672279as someone whos thinking has in my opinion evolved from inner monologue in my youth to para conceptual and now what i would take as non conceptual spontaneous and pure thought, i can say it is not copium.acommodating even a single thought with a sporadic word as a description makes me feel sluggish and retarded in relation to having a continuous pure stream of consciousness, it is unnatural and feels like braking harshly with a fast car on an evened out lane. good thoughts to me are directed in space, it's geometry and meaning. measured clearly in energy and joy, and their spontaneous unfolding, words are not meant as necessity to facilitate meaning for these. They are much too limitedthe stream can include words but doesnt have toI mean, imagine if you had to have narration for dreams all the time, that have to elaborate to yourself at all times what you're supposed to understand in your dreams or when examining a very complex structure,in it's depth with a microscope zoom, language to be chosen adapt by aperture of levels of information but not by appendage of words in a list. It would be ineffective and as i said, sluggish. And if you now say you don't have to do that, you only occasionally do that, to express higher thought, you would still insinuate that these dreams are dependent on the verbal context clues to be expressed in appropriate meaning, which would go contrary to your point of inner monologue being expendable in regards to the context at hand. At least to me that is how i would feel. I can have inner monologues. I really don't like them, as they are like a box>>525674155i just listen to the song again in my head in full detail of the audio>>525675837i just scan the page, or alternatively zone out & have the words flash in my voice when i am not focused. in the latter case it is not really a conscious effort to read them>>525675943i don't think the apple example is meant as hallucinating something on command,which is based
>>525678139>this is literally just testing memorynot exactly. familiar things are easier to remember than abstract things. so those good at abstract thought are better at holding these things together without them evaporating. it's not exactly memory, but it's a modifier to memoryFor black people it's not a memory problem, because they have literal difficulty imagining being something that isn't them. this is where lack of empathy comes from unless you have frontal lobe damage
Two ways to spot an NPC:1 - NPC's only exist in the minds of others. Without social interaction they cease to function. They value themselves by what they consume rather than what they produce.2 - NPC's report hallucinogenic drug trips as tactile sensations rather than philosophical epiphany.A human will explain deep evocative emotion and engrained truths about the connectness of realityThe NPC will explain how they saw funny shapes and colors
>>525677532that is afaik a wrong interpretation of dao or what eastern philosophy generally says about permanence impermanence and emotional rewards. i would imagine dao to be no different.so you are dishonest.
>>525667220Anyone who didn't take this as obvious intentional humor is a moron, inner monologue or not.
>>525678757Yes. Its also easier if you have done it before or practiced it. It works because its not a matter of imagining a man, or a ladder, or a story, but all three combined being imagined by all three combined. This is because some people think in rhetorics and could otherwise appear to have an internal monologue when infact they are suffering psychosis and replacing thoughts with a proxy.>>525678172Sorry. I don't have a sauce. I didn't make it up, it was done on me and a few others in the military.
imagine solving a complex math problem and having to narrate every step in your head instead of understanding it intuitivelymonologuefags must suck at maths
>>525679245>that is afaik a wrong interpretation of dao or what eastern philosophy generally says about permanence impermanence and emotional rewardsbig surprise, eastern philosophers are full of shit and smelling their own farts, just like all humans>horry shit, my mind is blank, i'm thinking about nothing. my mind is clear>i'm thinking about nothing>i'm thinking>i'm noticing how i'm not thinking about anythingIf they had inner dialogue to keep them honest they'd realize how full of shit they are, but this is why most people are incapable of reflection. Doesn't help that the id protects them at all times.
>>525679159Could you expand on the hallucinogenic experience differences between npc and none. I know nothing of this and its only ever been reported to me a soul vs soulless which stuggled to accept as anything more than a character bias.
>>525664649They think in semantics and legalese too, that's their height and limit and we all suffer for it because they're incapable of knowing any different due to the limits of their perception
>>525659090The final monologue pill is that these morons are actually necessary to the proper functioning of society. Idiots literally make the world go round.
>>525671303The term "protoword" refers to early, wordlike utterances produced by infants before they have acquired full language. So here you are right now trying to tell me that "baby talk" is superior to linguistic cognition. Take your dime store, invented definitions for your wierd fucking personally developed theory of the mind and goo-goo gah-gah your ass back to fucking school and actually learn something you pseud. You're a fucking mess. Got any more words of wisdom you got from channeling or the bum down the street or where ever you are getting your non-scientifically based personal theories of how the fucking brain works?
>>525675943This nigga doesn't know what the mind's eye is kek
>>525667790What you say is quite interesting, never really thought about it that way. >90% of your social conditioning comes from training "your" inner monologueWouldnt this imply that people with inner monologue are forming functional societies by copying other's Idea/behaviour until they internalised it? Resulting in something like a common sense?
I killed my inner monologue, by stabbing it to death in my minds eye.
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>>525679724>Deflecting to semantics once he has been cornered>Ignore the entire argument because I've used the "wrong" wordskek, calm down, redditor.
>>525679078Show flag. I like what you wrote. Perfectly described the inner process. I also dont like the inner monologues, then I morph them into a discussion with various version of me as protagonists, then a decision is made, taking the wisest opinion, all internally done can happen so quickly too.
>>525679724You're being intentionally obtuse. You know exactly what he's saying but youre just beating around the bush.
>>525679078Great post.
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>>525659090So back when we were all in elementary school did they just presume everyone had an inner monologue? Was it not something even considered? Nobody even discussed this until like 5 years ago.
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>>525680072You claim to arguing from authority but you clearly don't know what you're talking about because you're making up your own definitions for terms. Words have meaning and meaning is important. You seem to disagree that words are important though and you're now a living testament for why I'm right. I don't know what you mean when you use personally invented non-standard definitions for scientific terms while trying to debate science with me. So your ass got blew the fuck out. It's not semantics. It's the core fucking issue.
>>525680673>You used the wrong terms>You lostlmao, the fucking cope.Just refute my argument instead of playing semantics.Or don't and keep coping.Either way, I violated you in metaphysical ways you can't comprehend yet.
>>525669143There are mechanisms which churn beneath the surface. To say that those who can mentally utilize speech are devoid of such is ignorance. Thinking in deep forms is, although anecdotally by my own experience, totally possible and I would say aided by speech as I can organize ideas logically, test their soundness, and incorporate the information back into the depth. The inability to formulate tests of knowledge in one’s own head seems like a pretty straightforward litmus for being able to self correct and exercise metacognition.
>>525673848"Complete garbage"Ok, care to explain?
what is the motive behind this grand agenda to make average people think they are suerior
>>525659532I used to be able to imagine a vibrant apple rotating like an aerotrim, but now I have a harder time doing it.
>>525680927>metaphysically I won thoI rest my case.
>>525680937yes, it's the synergy between both. not either or. the more tools at your disposal the better
>>525681025if people don't doubt themselves then they are easier to mislead
>>525679591okay, so instead of just saying something without meaningful context, correct implementation or meaning, you can instead just shut up.Also your depiction of the inner monologue and it's conclusions in your example just make you seem ridiculous. generally speaking,these threads are glownigger tier and obvious demoralisation threads.But yeah, i agree that observing ones own mind can cause panic, because it literally has no substance to depend on. which is why it is good not to depend on interpretations too much. including ''psychology today''much respect to fellow anons. All of you. also this one >>525672279 it takes guts to talk about your own mind, and i don't know i don't think of other minds as inferior but i don't assume mine to inferior either. >>525679078in regards to scanning the page, most of the time i read unfocused, so it might be a mishmash idk. but its possible, and the scanning the page thing i do maybe idk, at most 10% of the time i read stuff. But if i wanted to i could. It requires focus tho idk. So if you ever trained to do speed reading you practically learn to adapt eye movements and focus in such a way that reading a page is more like pouring lots of marbles into a container rather than picking them up marble by marble. Both has it's appeals.But all of these exercises don't really do anything too useful imo. So please don't go: ''I cant do that therefore i am worthless'' as a general theme i think.>>525679078lastly. I don't think you can infer psychosis or being drugged with visual appearences in your field of view. What clinicians interpret as Psychosis generally imo seems to be really tied to immediate distress.
People without internal monologue are called extroverts
>>525675943Ugh my god, this AGAIN?!I can't stand you worthless arrogant retards. Always with the dogshit idiotic arguments and total lack of comprehension. You exist to waste people's time.
>>525680927Seriously though, I just re-read your argument about "proto words". What the fuck do you mean? Maybe start by defining what "proto word" means to you because that word already means something (literally goo-goo gah-gah). If you mean something else either use the right term or spell your argument out again using terms that make sense and describe what you're talking about because your argument is nonsensical as it's written. I don't think you can though because you're talking out of your ass.
>>525681132Basically, yes.If someone is overwhelmed by speech and unable to tame and organize it, then they‘ll be worse off than someone without it. Those without it will be less able to impose any semblance of self/will/control upon the information they absorb lest they routinely write it out.
>>525680498The no inner monologue havers were simply put in special ed.
>>525668760I've been looking into bird studies and they're saying that a lot of birds have literal language. The birds will cheap a specific vocal sound that means "snake". If you play that cheep back on a speaker, all the birds start looking for a snake. So not only do they have language/words, but they also have mental images of things.These NPCs are lower than sparrows.
>>525679591btw i still think you're correct, in what you say, people easily become dishonest when trying to work out their mind, because they are driven by primal impulses. I don't know any of that psychology id ego stuff, but i am certainly not immune to it generally honestly. It can drive people insane to focus too much on these things. as you obviously know.
>>525681527Why don't you reread the point he made in the post just before that one.
>>525670829how long is it going to take you to realize you are arguing with 2 Indians, 7 Asians (I believe Chinese), and 1 Arab?They all believe themselves intelligent, but none of them can do this so they are giving their excuses. I will not call them stupid, when clearly, they are not; they just lack the divine light.We call them dims. They lack divine spark, divine light, divine intelligence. It is the reason their races treat animals in the way they do, the reason they scam and cheat everyone the way they do, and the reason all of their countries are full of ancient ruins. Those with the ability left when the mindless hordes over ran their populations. The innate nature of the intelligence that this whole thread is talking about, is truly incomprehensible to those who lack it. Instead, they feel threatened by not being able to understand it. To make it simpler to understand, try explaining the nuances of daily stock trading to a dog, then ask that dog when to buy and trade. While a bit over the top, this is pretty much what is going on here.they aren't stupid, they just cannot comprehend it. It is a racial difference that comes down to a genetic level. I have met a few of their races who can, far more who cannot. I believe this is leftovers from those who could having mixed with the hordes before realizing the error of this mistake.I do not have the finances to fund the DNA testing to prove these things and what does it matter when the Jews immediately jumped all over owning all the labs capable of showing it. You have no idea how many fake results were handed out to people who sent a DNA test to any of those companies who said they could tell you. They mostly just based results off of the name provided, then added insults based on the techs who filled the fake reports.
>>525679601Not much to it really. A human will respond with the deep thought/meaning while an NPC will focus on the physical or tactile experience.I got a deep lesson about the nature of reality and time and how it relates to the consciousness we all experience. Deeper than a dream.A friend saw the walls melt and felt dizzy. Pure motor-sensory experience.
>>525678436>>525677760He didn't make any claims about you other than that your argument is cope. For what, we don't know.Everyone can "process their thoughts quickly". The language thing is a second layer above that. Two-layer thinking, two different accessible venues for thought. It is not either A or B, it's evidently either AB or just A. Lacking inner monologue is legit a disability. You might as well be arguing>well yeah I'm blind but I can still hear everything, and hearing is usually faster and more efficient than looking because your eyes can be elsewhere and miss it>so if you have eyes you're basically slow and inefficient to gather informationExcept the people you're mocking and deriding have both at their disposal.
>>525681987>So not only do they have language/words, but they also have mental images of things.That's been know about corvids for a while. They can remember human faces, and they can somehow describe that face to other corvids who have never seen the person.
>>525681987Yeah I actually learned the call for "incoming person/dog/threat" that the grackles nearby used. It was a high pitched whistle increasing in pitch and they'd do it up to three times to indicate when someone was coming. I started doing that whistle as I approached them and they reacted hillariously. Eventually they stopped flying away and I was able to walk right through their flock and they wouldn't fly away any more. It was awesome.
>>525681329I'm inclined to agree with you actually now that you mention it.As extroverted people panic if they are away from other people for more then a few hours where as I chase it as I always have myself as company and theoretically don't need anything else.
>>525659432>rawdoggingI'm able to turn my brain off at will and just enjoy the moment, especially if I'm on a train, plane, or car. I had to take a 16 amtrak train for work and didn't even touch my phone. I just sat in the passenger car for 16 hours straight looking out of the window, only getting up to eat once and use the bathroom a few times. I believe this is because I am 0.6% Nigerian. It's a good perk to have.
>>525682142I did and it doesn't make sense. If you understand it, why don't you make it for him then bong? You can't just shit out some words and call it an argument.
>>525682344>>525682429It's even chickens and stuff, though. Sparrows and titbirds.One researcher was saying the birds near his house have a word that seems to be a slur. When they're mad they start saying it at each other. Or they'll seem to describe objects or circumstances as this slur-cheep, because it has a totally negative meaning.Another researcher was saying birds near his house make a noise when they see him, but a completely different noise when a stranger stops by.I own chickens and have been trying to pay attention to them. If I throw pellets or corn, they eat in total silence, all two dozen of them just pecking. When I home-cook food for them, like meat scraps, veggie scraps, rice or noodles, etc into a stew, they eat while talking nonstop. I think they're commenting on the various ingredients and their opinions on them.
>>525682187Oh I know but this is fun for me.
>>525682187i am genetically german you mongrel and i don't live in asia.>>525667174What do you mean exactly with ''iconify''iconifying things and inner monologue accompanying every bit of interaction, don't really seem synonymous to me automatically. Which is in my opinion what idk you two might not be engaging in with over.
>>525681025It isolates you. If you think literally everyone except you is cattle you are alone. Isolated men are easier for power to deal with.
>>525678939Using language in thought is supplemental, no one is only using language, its paired up with everything els, an additional layer of thinking on top of everything els. Go look into different methods of thinking and think about how they apply to your own thought process, you'll use multiple at the same time, or at least thats what I do. I assume its the same for everyone but thats clearly not the case.
>>525682914Oh ok. To be fair the way some of the retards in this thread describe how they think it comes across as they exclusively think in language.
>>525683048indeed
>>525682344Interesting.
>>525659265>>525659532Yeah OP clearly knows about it already.I don't know why /pol/ is so obsessed with playing >I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DONT KNOWIf I post >It's the jewsYou retarded faggots come back with>YOU ARE JUST NOW FIGURING OUT ITS THE JEWS?!You're pretending no one but you uses this board and knows our memes and our concepts. Tired of this shit. OP is obviously a based oldfag. Memeflags are always shillfaggots and outsiders.
>>525681527Proto-word being the brain activity causing words to form in your brain.
>>525683048I dont think anyone thinks in language only, seems impossible. The fact theres people out there though that cant use language at all seems weird, it can greatly enhance your innerworld if you use language on top of the other basic thinking patterns like visualization, hearing sounds, abstract thoughts etc etc.
>>525682794The concept of an "icon" is a representative stand-in for some other thing. Language is a type of iconography but the category of icons is larger than icons because it includes non-linguistic symbology too. A red octagon has come to mean "stop sign" in a lot of countries for example. The ability to use icons is uniquely human and is generally accepted in Communication theory that this is why we aquire language naturally. It relates to inner monologue in that this is a form of "self communication" and so it is inherently iconic in nature. Another word for this is "self talk". In terms of psychology, a lot of people have a problem with "negative self talk" and so if a cognitive behaviorist identifies someone who engages in negative self talk, it can be helpful for that person to work on strategies for eliminating negative self talk (I'm dumb, worthless, stupid) with positive self talk (you can do it, good job, keep trying).
>>525683528So you're talking about the synaptic activity that precedes the formation of thought it sounds like? Scientists have no idea what causes the nueronic activity that precedes thought. I'm not talking about sensory stimulus and I assume you aren't either. So you're claiming now that you know more than top brain scientists, so you're full of shit like I've been saying. Sorry bong.
>>525683519They must have done something to that bird. Those little bastards are smarter than dogs. Had a crows nest in a tree in my back garden last year. They're pretty friendly as long as you don't fuck with them. They'll bring you shit too.
