If the government promised you a free house, guaranteed employment, and free healthcare -- would you agree to serve 5 years in the military invading foreign countries, be part of a traditional marriage that produces 5 children, and support the expulsion of foreign scab labor brought in the inflate the profits of investment bankers at the expense of average citizens?
>>525702250but that doesnt give them commisar power over chad and stacey...
>>525702250>freeWho's paying?
>>525702356>freein the limited sense that you are not paying with cash, but with service and the production of children>who is payingTo be specific: The government is paying you with the house, you don't pay a bank a mortgage.
>>525702250Sounds like a despotic monarchy…Let’s just let workers vote for who their managers and ceo are and make shareholding and private ownership of businesses illegal.
>>525702506so are the people who built my house and/or my doctors taking my childrenno they need to be paid with money rightso from whom are they getting this money
>>525702518>Democracy in Aristotelian terms sounds like a despotic monarchy…Spoken like a despotic monarch (in the Aristotelian sense)
>>525702645>so are the people who built my house and/or my doctors taking my childrenonly to serve in the military as adults, if they want the same deal on a house as their parents>no they need to be paid with money rightyes, they would be paid with money, as we all would be, as well as being paid with a mortgage-free house. Pretty simple proposition, are you fucking retarded? Why are you struggling to understand me?
>>525703004who is the money coming frompretty simple questionyou told me who's being paid but there must be 2 sides to that transactionnow tell me who is paying
>>525703107>who is the money coming fromThe house is a sign-on bonus for 5 years of military service. In that sense it's "free", even though nothing is free in the schizo sense of being "created out of thin air" or whatever you're imagining. It's a sign-on bonus, "free" meaning no-mortgage, paid for with service in the military.>you told me who's being paidEveryone who works is being paid somehow. At the point of transaction for military service, I'm talking about being paid in-part with a mortgage-free house. Are you good now, do you get it?>pretty simple questionAlready answered simply and clearly.
>>525703292>somehowhow exactlywho is paying the architects to build the house or the doctors to treat injuriesthey're being paid with money rightso follow the logic herean architect gets paid some moneythat money that previously belonged to someone will now belong to the architect what i'm asking is who is that person who the money previously belonged to
>>525703569>who is paying the architects to build the house or the doctors to treat injuriesnot you, because you served 5 years in the military and made 5 kids. To you, as a result of your service, it's "free of monetary charges"; "free" is limited and relative to the recipient, not a universal constant.
>>525703693ok that's progress i guess but doesn't answer the questioni'm not payingbut someone is rightmy question is who IS payingthis is like pulling teeth
>>525703781>ok that's progress i guess but doesn't answer the questionyes, it does. You are being paid in a contract with the government, one house. Who built the house and how they were paid is irrelevant to the question you were asked, ie, would you exchange service for a mortage-free house or not.>i'm not payingyou're paying by serving in the military and making 5 kids, in exchange for a house without the mortgage.>but someone is rightYes, everyone involved is paying and/or being paid, dumbfuck autist.>my question is who IS payingThe government is paying YOU, in exchange for military service + babies, dumb fuck. You are too retarded to accept the answer.>this is like pulling teethI can only imagine what being a retard is like, it must be agonizing.
>>525704058so the government is printing or taxing to pay for the build costs? or a huge private donation funding it? or something rlse? he is asking a simple question
>>525704058ffs man the architects aren't being paid with my children rightthey're getting paid with money rightso that money that they're being paid to build my house, who is paying it to themyou say i pay with my children but the architect can't be paid with children only with moneyso from whom does that money that the architect is paid with come
>>525704169>so the government is printing or taxing to pay for the build costs?No, because a labor-based currency only has value as a representation of the employment rate. The more people work, the more buying power the currency has. That's the only historically-proven way a country achieves full employment without going to commie route.
>>525704227>you say i pay with my children but the architect can't be paid with children only with moneybold of you to assume that, i will build for you for a loli bride
I'd get invincible power armor, correct?
>>525704309>NoSo how is it getting paid? is it with currency? money? trade contracts? elaborate please
>>525702250I mean, I sold out all of my ethics and morals to the government for healthcare for my wife to kill Muslims in multiple pointless wars. I'm most of the way there already.But no, I wouldn't do it if I was forced to have children. I don't want children. My wife doesn't want children. I'm fine enough being a slave, but I will not create more slaves.Last note, your example was made before people developed national identities. In much of the world, tribal identities have expanded to national ones in which the specific tribe/ethnic group is much less important than it was thousands of years ago, or even a few hundred.
Wait a minute. If I did that I'd put all my experience points into HP and Heavy Armor. This will gimp me
>>525702250>If the government promised you a free house, guaranteed employment, and free healthcare -- would you agree to serve 5 years in the military invading foreign countriesThen it's not free, is it?
>>525704398>So how is it getting paid?The part where you exchange labor (in the military) for a mortgage-free house? How is that NOT getting paid?>is it with currency? money?A transfer of real estate wealth, without debt. I guess the IRS would tax that, so yes, getting paid in real estate is still a wealth transfer transaction for labor, ie, "getting paid". You would of course receive normal pay as well for service, so money + house - mortgage.> trade contracts? elaborate pleaseScroll up you lazy turkshit.
>>525702250No, of course not, because I think the government wouldn't keep it's promise.Only a retard thinks that authoritarian conservative militaristic expansionist empires won't be just as shitty as home as they are abroad.
>>525704676ok are the architects who build the house being paid WITH MONEY yes or noif yes then who is paying them that moneyif no then why would they do the work
>>525704894>ok are the architects who build the house being paid WITH MONEY yes or noI already said yes they are multiple times. This is a capitalist economy, everyone is paid for work, usually with money (or a house + regular money).>if yes then who is paying them that moneyWhoever has money to fucking pay them and wants to build houses.>if no then why would they do the workto get fucking paid like everyone else.
>>525702895Truth be told I’m an anarchist. If everyone wasn’t such an unfathomably evil nigger then we could just organize ourselves by absolute consensus, but until we genetically upgrade the species that kind of sane social structure isn’t going to work.People should choose who is and isn’t their boss for themselves.Democracy is indeed tyranny.
>>525702250Only if the 'foreign country' we were invading was Washington DC, the Vatican, London city, and my personal favorite, pissreal.
>>525705128>i'm an anarchistAn unfortunate IQ test to keep failing past age 12>If everyone wasn’t such an unfathomably evil nigger then we could just organize ourselves by absolute consensusThat's why being an anarchist is retarded, because you pick ideals that can't exist in the world you have with the species you're part of.
>>525705091>Whoever has money to fucking pay them and wants to build houses.who is thatwhy would this person pay if i get the house and they don't, what's their incentive is it just some random guy who has tons of money and is really generous
>>525702250What you wrote is a pretty traditional left stance honestly. There's a rational stance against unlimited immigration, for obvious economic reasons. The ugly racial stuff is alienating.
>>525705233>who is thatPeople with money.>why would this person pay if i get the house and they don'tThey profited off the transaction before you received the house, ie, they got paid.>s it just some random guy who has tons of money and is really generousIs this how you believe houses are normally built -- by randomly generous people who just give them away?
>>525705352>they got paidso who's paying THEM thenis it some other guy who's even richer and more generous>inb4 no that guy's paid as wellso who's paying HIM
>>525705326>hat you wrote is a pretty traditional left stance honestly.Pre-1930 Korenizatsiia, or post 1930s when they reversed that consociationalist attempt?
>>525705231So, I explained that by genetically enhancing the population we can get there.Furthermore, I’m actually personally capable of participating in an anarchistic society because I’m genetically superior to most other humans.The real retard here is you, and you’re also most likely a vile nigger who is unworthy of existing in a maximum trust social order such as the ones I can be a part of.
>>525705481>so who's paying THEM thenAre you incredulous that it's ever possible to build houses in a market economy?
>>525705506I was thinking more of "It's a Wonderful Life". The makers were investigated by the FBI
>>525702250No. Morals over money
>>525705566no i'm incredulous that houses would be built with no ultimate financial incentive who actually pays for the houses to be built and how will they profit from ityou can't make money simply by building houses, that costs money, you need to sell them or rent them or something to make money
>>525705682>no i'm incredulous that houses would be built with no ultimate financial incentivethen you're in the wrong thread, or still arguing against a strawman of what was meant by "free", which I defined as mortgage-free, not "things provided by a benevolent magic fairy" like you keep insisting.
>>525705747it seems to me you're the one who thinks there's a magic fairy involvedassuming it's an actual person i'm asking who the hell is this guy who's paying for everythingbut you apparently have no idea
>>525705665 (me)Kind of funny actually. Rightoids in 1947>In a May 1947 memo to FDI Director J. Edgar Hoover, a special agent in the FBI’s Los Angeles field office warned, “With regard to the picture ‘It’s a Wonderful Life,’ [an informant] stated in substance that the film represented rather obvious attempts to discredit bankers by casting Lionel Barrymore as a ‘scrooge-type’ so that he would be the most hated man in the picture. This, according to these sources, is a common trick used by Communists.”>Barrymore played Mr. Potter, the cruel and clutching banker whose machinations brought the honorable George Bailey’s building-and-loan firm to the brink of ruin, and Bailey himself to the bridge where he contemplated suicide, before a guardian angel’s counsel turned him homeward.>According to the FBI report, the informant told the field agent that “in his opinion, this picture deliberately maligned the upper class, attempting to show the people who had money were mean and despicable characters.” The source also suggested that the film could have been made differently, by portraying Mr. Potter as a conscientious banker who was simply “following the rules as laid down by the State Bank Examiner in connection with making loans” and as “a man who was protecting funds put in his care by private individuals and adhering to the rules governing the loan of that money rather than portraying the part as it was shown.”
>>525705905you're a retard pretending not to understand that he's proposing transfer payments like every single government on earth useshe's a retard refusing to address your obvious complaint because he is offended by the way you are putting it forward in bad faiththere, can you both fuck off now?
>>525705978he insisted that it's not the government paying eithermaybe he was joking or something
>>525705978>he's a retard refusing to address your obvious complaintI addressed it right off the bat. He's reiterating it to see how many times I'll reply. I'm replying to bump my own thread. You're a retard for not noticing the subtext of our exchange.
>>525705091>if yes then who is paying them that money>Whoever has money to fucking pay them and wants to build houses.Okay now where does the government get that money to pay them for their service in order to get me to join their military?Its tax payers, right? So, everyone pays and the government just facilitates the use of money collected via taxes to pay construction workers and architects and land owners to build a house for me and my future family to incentivize me to join the army and do their bidding and maybe die and get none of the promised goods.See the problem with that is that I only get those goods if I don't die and if I do die i get nothing so it incentivizes them to ensure i die so that they don't have to pay me what I'm owed. Pretty much the same thing going on with social security taxes at this very moment with the age of receipt rising ever further to the point where my generation won't see dime one when we're finally allowed to retire if we even see retirement age.
>>525706298Hasn't the modern left tackled this already. Sorry in advance but I'm posting sloppa>In Capital and Ideology, Piketty argues that inequality is primarily political and ideological, not economic or technological. Redistribution is therefore not an afterthought -- it’s the central mechanism societies use (or avoid) to justify and manage inequality.
>>525706075>he insisted that it's not the government payingI insisted that it was. You insist that there's no way to pay for houses to be built, which is insane.
>>525706298>Okay now where does the government get that money to pay them for their serviceAll money is generally issued by government. I suppose there might be other forms of legal tender used in some cases, but government issued currency was my assumption for this scenario. Are you a currency agnostic or something -- are you asking how money is even possible, or what?
>>525706431well i guess misunderstood youso the government's paying for my houseare they taxing me in order to do this or are they inflating the currencyif neither then how
>>525705326Alienating though it may be its proving quite true in the case of american politics.
>>525706623>so the government's paying for my houseThat can be a version of my hypothetical we consider. You can insert whatever source you prefer and do the conjecture along different lines.>houses acquired by putting leftoids in camps and confiscating their property>houses built with slave labor>houses built with tax money (anti-inflationary)>houses built with inflationary means>houses purchased from private contractors>houses built by prison labor to inflate GDP>houses acquired by invading enemy nationsgo wild with your imagination, anon -- my question was about whether leftists would be for or against a pro-natalist pro-nationalist form of compensation. I get all the lolberg replies instead, which tells me lolbergs are fifth column leftoids in capitalist clothing
>>525706640Immigration isn't a bad thing provided two caveats.>can integrate with the existing culture>it doesn't put economic stress on the populationWhen that's not the case, in the worst cases it can lead to literal genocide. I don't think this is even controversial, but the way people talk devoid of nuance>immigration BAD>immigration GOODit's just not possible to say anything more nuanced. But what OP said>serve 5 years in the military>be part of a traditional marriage that produces 5 children>support the expulsion of foreign scab labor brought in the inflate the profits of investment bankers at the expense of average citizensThis is all pretty traditional. Though obviously individual choice (freedom) is also valued.
>>525706913then i think the answer to your question is really "it depends">houses acquired by putting leftoids in camps and confiscating their propertyi don't really see leftists going for this do you>houses built with tax money (anti-inflationary)maybe, unless they have to pay the lion's share of itit depends on the specific circumstances
>>525706576>>Government issued moneyOur money is not issued by our government but by a federal reserve bank. US dollars do not come issued by the treasury and are not transferable for a certain amount of precious metals unless you count buying silver or gold with it, which is still not issued by the government.What I'm asking you is where does this theoretical government of yours produce this money from? From what work is the government deriving its ability to grant housing and land if it is not already owned by the institution of the government (such as federally protected land in the form of national parks etc). The ability to grant land that it does not own and has not purchased is not necessarily a power given to the government, state or federal. (Barring imminent domain and other such practices of theft.)I am asking you by what power does the government have the ability to grant someone land and a house without paying someone for those things. Either the owner of the land and house or contractors to build it. Everything our government owns had to be paid for. All of the bullets, military bases, vehicles have to be purchased from someone (aka the military industrial complex and land barons) in order for a government agency to hold claim on said goods and service.Your statement in the original post is that if government provides you with A would you do B. The person arguing with you is asking From whence does the government obtain A in the first place in order to procure B (my service in this case.) The government does not create land and houses from a vacuum. Someone has to be paid for the land unless the government just decides to say this land is mine and use the military (my service) to obtain them. We, or rather, the government) aren't typically in the business of taking spoils from the conquered these days (lol lmao at least not on paper even if in fact we are doing so.) so that land and house has to be paid for.
>>525707046You're right that Immigration isn't necessarily a bad thing. Your argument is sound. However to deny a racial aspect in integration is pretty silly as regardless of what we want to believe one exists when simply looking at numbers of the situation. Historically immigrants received no type of government aid and were forced to work and survive off the sweat of their brow, but now that we are a nation that supports our poor with food and space (via free or low cost housing provided by our government which does so by taxes its citizens pay) and the ease with which these systems can be defrauded and manipulated, we are suddenly inundated with immigrants from cultures that do not align with our own and in fact held up as superior to our own enough that criticizing people from outside our culture is demonized as being racist, well, you just turned everyone who believes that people should pull their weight and not rely on government (read taxpayer) handouts in perpetuity into racists in fact as well as in heart as said citizens are now forced to compete economically for the land and finances to raise their own families against immigrants of different racial backgrounds who are having six and seven kids and relying on government (taxpayer citizen) handouts in the form of food, shelter, education to care for them while pundits and intelligentsia whine about birth rates and the need for immigration in one breath and environmental impact in the next.Yes, it may end up coming down to genocide and the question is: Do you lay down and die because to do otherwise would be racist?
>>525707071>i don't really see leftists going for this do youI do. Comissars stole houses from their comrades for 70+ years. All the purges under Mao did the same. Commies have no problem getting paid in confiscated property, but I'll concede it's possible some might object.>maybe, unless they have to pay the lion's share of itif you're getting a mortage free house, meaning you're not paying interest, it's likely you're getting more in return than you're being taxed in any case. Whoever refuses to serve, like an un-patriotic little bitch, that might be another story...
There is no longer a need for manpower in the militaryWe have bombs that can wipe out entire cities and we have had them for a hundred years People that argue for human sacrifice are using logical fallacies from a thousand years ago to deter their own personal responsibility, that being to demand our government stand up and kill niggers.
>>525707128>Our money is not issued by our government but by a federal reserve bankAnd technically not even a Federal Reserve bank, but an affiliate commercial bank, who adds money to circulation every time they issue debt (credit, loans, etc) at-interest. That's a small detail most people are still unaware of; the Fed Bank is only legally responsible for tracking and reporting the creation of money when interest lending occurs.>US dollars do not come issued by the treasuryBut they were once, and most government can (and do) issue currency. Ours can return to this practice too. This is a hypothetical scenario, so assume ours has done so if it allows you to answer the main question being asked without distraction.>I am asking you by what power does the government have the ability to grant someone landTechnically, the sovereign is the only power capable of deeding land. This is universally true for nation states.
>>525702250Idk but leftypol is but the obvious answer is yes.
>>525707518>immigrants from cultures that do not align with our ownThen why don't you just say this instead of veering off into racism? Cultural differences aren't imaginary. Neither is the fact that we have limited resources and should probably take care of ourselves first. That's just common sense.Anon, you probably don't know this, but market liberalism was primarily pushed by the right and free movement of labour is part of that outlook. These people don't care about you, they're just trying to point you at immigrants and not them so you don't put responsibility where it belongs. Overfocusing on race is exactly what they want. Expand your field of view
>>525707607are you 14 or something?Nukes are not a substitute for manpower, as without manpower, you have no granulated options between using those nukes and complete surrender of the dispute
>>525707832Leftypol is the copy of this board that they made because they kept getting humiliated any time they went around humansThey use it to circlejerk and organize raids
>>525702250except class consciousness works, so marx proved aristotle was wrong
>>525706177Posting in one's own thread doesn't bump the thread moron
>>525702250The Soviet Union regularly shot people for striking and not workingIt was not the free shit utopia you think it was little broThe Soviets even banned Christmas
Also, the premise is stupid. Capitalism can achieve a high quality life, communism isn't necessary makes any senseChina and SIngapore show how its done, stop with the retarded shit
>>525708299Nobody seems to want to learn about anything modern. Piketty, Stiglitz, and the people tackling global corruption markets like Oliver Bullough should be discussed more. Not Marx
>>525707701If our government broke away from the federal reserve and started issuing treasury dollars again the thats a huge, news worthy event. I might consider joining the service then but I'm too old and have far too RMI issues.However when the sovereign, as you call it, starts issuing land (taking land from one person and giving it to others) that is a massive red flag that at the end all be all said sovereigns main function is the continuation of power and not the benefit of the people it serves and shouldn't be trusted and therefore is rightfully denied the right to ask for my service.
>>525705544Importing somalia helps or hurts this cause? What about poos, etc?
>>525702250>a free house, guaranteed employment, and free healthcareyea but abortion
>>525708598>However when the sovereign, as you call itevery government is usually a "sovereign" entity, and has the final say in land transfers. This concept is the basis for land taxes, where the sovereign charges land owners a tax for how they use land. Your deed is issued by the "sovereign entity" like the local state or privincial authority, as an extension of the national governments sovereignty.>starts issuing land (taking land from one person and giving it to others)this literally happens in every real estate transaction; that notary public is making the transfer legal with the sovereign powers invested by the state
>>525708004You're the one who stated it was racist, I simply stated that the ops picture regarding philia is correct in most cases as despite decades of indoctrination anyone who spends years living amongst other races as an other or outsider is going to see flat out that every other race than white is fine and dandy with being as racist as possible when it comes to "protecting their own" from the consequences of their actions. Black people will murder and rape each other to literal death but the moment the cops get involved everyone is a saint who was getting on the right track and didn't even do nothing. As far as free movementof labor, you're right, its pushed by the American right, and also by the left, which is a huge issue in the fact that native citizens (even aforementioned blacks) are already pushed to the margins of survivability by those policies of unlimited growth and unlimited immigration.The "Right" gets cheap labor and a boogeyman to demonize (but never to be able to get rid of, thank god) and left gets some poor, pitiful oppressed people to make a stronger "voter" base because ID requirements to vote are racist and are willing to give wheoever isn't white free reign to terrorize and rob white people in general.Hence the so called uniparty where you are damned no matter who you vote for because they're all out for themselves and don't care about the idea of the US as a country so much as a cash cow they can keep milking to live their fantastic lifestyles of the rich and famous.I think perhaps you might need to do what you asked of me and expand your field of view to understand that no side of the united states government is for the citizenry they are supposed to represent and are in fact more interested in their own interests, which are pedophilia, getting rich and doing as much coke as possible. People forget that neither side released the Epstein files and both sides are culpable.
>>525702250That's what happened in WW2. Look at how that turned out
>>525708878The difference I'm stating is that someone usually has a say in whether or not they accept currency for their land or just keep owning their land to pass on to their children. If there is no agreement between both parties and one party is able to just simply decide to take what you have already bought and paid for then that isn't a society I want a part of and certainly not one i will be willing to fight for as the moment I become inconvenient they will take my land and offer it to the next mercenary willing to do their bidding.
>>525708965I'm not just talking about US politics, and my ideas of politics aren't just in the post 1980s news cycle. 19th century racism was not about culture, they literally thought different discrete types of humans were created by god (disproved through evolution and genetics). Next point. "Left" and "Right" in the US since the 1980s are two species of market liberal, idpol was designed to differentiate them because they essentially had consensus on economics. And that's essentially because the left capitulated to the right, or went into exile. There are not just "both sides" in a dichotomy, there's tons of different ideas in the world, either lost or largely not paid attention to. That's what I mean. I try not to think in just black and white, or red and blue. Whatever.
>>525709350I was under the impression we were talking about left and right policies int he United States, I don't really know or understand the rest of the world as it doesn't relate to my every day life in the same way. As for how races are differentiated, well one sure seems to have a hate boner for what they perceive as white. Even requiring someone be on time to work or for an appointment has been attributed to white culture simply by calling it a form of white supremacy. Thats the current paradigm of the left in my country. That non-white people are not responsible for their actions and should not be held accountable to the same standard as white people and doing so is racist. If you think the left in the US capitulated to the right I'm astounded at your shortsightedness and wonder where on the spectrum of politics you consider left and right ideals to be. Is the US far left? No, not at all. Is it far right? Of course not. It is however controlled by money and media and whoever has it. To deny that the left wing has a stranglehold on media and not just the news but television in general would show me that you're being disingenuous and either blind or not willing to see that the culture of family being the unit that defines politics is being dismantled in the favor of individualists with zero power backing beyond the left or right charade.
>>525708448>people alive today who understand marx and literally just say shit marx would sayyeah i know
>>525702250>free house, guaranteed employment, and free healthcareModern leftists don't care about any of this shit. They pretend to, but they don't. Watch what they actually spend their time on. It's degenerate tranny shit, unpopular open borders, endlessly arguing about identity politics and being a wokescold how other people are doing wrongthink. Everything else is set dressing larp.
>>525702250Does it make me leftypol if I would do all those things if I had access to employment that allowed me to afford it and there was a branch of service that would utilize someone over 40? Can I just do that?
>>525710362You think that *because* you have such a limited perspective, not just the US but temporally. The left in the US capitulated to the right over market economics, this was done over Bill Clinton after losing badly to Reagan. Whether it astounds you or not that's what really happened.>Convergence on market liberalism>From Reagan onward, both major parties largely accepted:>Deregulation (finance, airlines, telecom)>Trade liberalization (NAFTA, WTO)>Weak labor power>Privatization / outsourcing>Low inflation as a primary macro goal>Democrats shifted from New Deal / Great Society political economy toward what’s often called neoliberalism (Carter Clinton Obama).>In that sense, “Left” and “Right” became variants of market liberal governance, not opposites.I mean, what can I say? My political ideas are very heterogenous. I don't agree with your views of race, but I speak multiple languages, hold multiple passports and have lived in many different places so maybe we aren't speaking the same language. I think of the left as people like Emile Zola, Upton Sinclair and George Orwell. It's not probably who you think of.
>>525711490Mine is much more temporal understanding of current politics. Any by current I mean over the last forty years or so, but it extends to the past in the 1900s and beyond as a way to connect the dots. I haven't lived in many countries but I have lived in different places in the US and for your understanding moving within this country is the equivalent of going through many nations in europe, though I'm sure you're aware of the nuance regarding travel in the US and how different every state is from each other let alone different time zones. I speak the language of my birth and no other fluently and perhaps that allows me an insight that you don't have simply by creating in me a nativist who understands the land he lives in a great deal more than someone who has lived such a cosmopolitan lifestyle.I think of the left no so much as people as much as ideals promoted and pushed in regards to the lifestyles of the peoples I live among and I can honestly tell you that in the case of the US by and large it has become a team sport for the plebs while the political class munches on thousand dollar plates of food served to them the same immigrants they both take advantage of.I'm not sure of what you mean regarding Bill Clinton losing to Reagan as Clinton came after Bush 1 who came after Reagan, but Nafta was only the final blow to US manufacturing and a draw of jobs that could support a family on one income unless you were white collar left the country in a piss poor state to continue its bloodlines when blue collar jobs were taken over by and large by mexican and various central and south american migrants that drove the wages for skilled labor down to the quick while their cultures allowed them the benefit (i say that word almost in farcical terms as I actually believe otherwise) of living multigenerational and multi family within what was considered originally single family domiciles and thus keeping their cost of living low.Theres more but I'm out of text.
>>525702250>serve 5 years in the military invading foreign countriesabsolutely notkilling is wrong, looting other countries is wrong, the government telling you to do it doesn't magically make it okay. The people I'd be invading in such a scenario have done nothing to deserve this.I'd gladly fight the oligarchs whose selfishness and greed destroyed my country, but I wouldn't serve as mercenaries for them in a million years.
>>525702250OP you do realize your founding fathers didn't want a standing army for a reason?
>>525708004He's not veering off into anything. Culture is genetic in origin; it is inseparable from race. Culture cannot exist without living things (DNA) interacting with reality and the differences between people are what create different cultures.
>>525712398Ok how do I explain. Clinton is generally seen as who pulled the US left into neoliberal economics and away from equity.>The New Democrats treated poverty and other forms of discrimination largely as a market failure.If you don't understand that we won't agree on much else. Toqueville btw was seen as one of the most insightful observers of America, he spent 9 months there. Yes of course you have many good observations. I just think I have my own.>I can honestly tell you that in the case of the US by and large it has become a team sport for the plebs while the political class munches on thousand dollar plates of food served to them the same immigrants they both take advantage of.Well yes, that's the problem. It will never change until the team sport attitude can be shaken off. That was the point of idpol, it was for political parties to recruit when their economic platforms had essentially reached consensus. There's more. But like you said, it's a lot to cover.
