The core Christian claim is that there's an omnipotent and omniscient god out there who loves humanity and wants to save us by funnelling humanity into the correct belief system whereby they put faith in this Jesus figure.If this God existed, then we would obviously be seeing very powerful evidence in the world of a supernatural force guiding people to Christianity. Instead what we see is that Christianity grew very slowly over centuries through purely human means like exploration, conquest, technology, and trade, just like every other religion. Even after 2000 years, only 30% of the population is Christian, and that's only if you lump every denomination together. Every Christian community in the world learned Christianity from some kind of human missionary effort or cultural contact, nobody already knew Christianity independently.The kind of god that Christianity teaches cannot possibly exist in reality, therefore the whole religion is debunked.
>>525767442What you’re saying doesn’t have any logic inside theology and the knowledge of God.First of all, free will. If miracles or divinity was expressed to the world in a way too direct, like impossible to deny, then people wouldn’t have the freedom to choose. You keep acting like “if God exists we should see massive supernatural evidence guiding everyone into Christianity”, but that kind of thing would break the whole point.And the objective of creation, more than “salvation”, It’s the co-creation of the world of humans and God, we co-create with God. Both the ones who choose evil and the ones who choose good, ok? It’s not a single path where God just funnels everyone into one belief system by force. Because he loves, he gives freedom.Even if that freedom leads to some souls ending up, how to say it, outside, in hell if you want to call it that, or those souls being annihilated and not having eternal life. Because respecting individual decisions is also part of love. If you remove that and replace it with undeniable forced “proof”, then you’re not talking about love or freedom anymore, you’re talking about control.
>>525767442God only wants to save the elect.
>>525767442>If this God existed, then we would obviously be seeing very powerful evidence in the world of a supernatural force guiding people to Christianity.You have no proof for that.
>>525767442>Doesn't understand faithWow, shocker. What's the point of having faith after demanding evidence? No amount of evidence would be enough for you anyway. Unless it's something you consciously chose to believe. Like, maybe your big bang theory? Let's not get into the details, I'd hate to drag everything you believe through the mud, but let's just say you do actually know what faith is, it's just in the wrong thing.
>>525767978Maybe you are coming up with some mythological narrative and divine narrator so you can cope with being a wet bag of salt water and meat
>>525767442>merely the biggest religion on the planet>Catholic Church merely longest running institution earth has ever seen>my mom said my fedora looked good on me today when she bought more cheetos down to the basement
>>525767442YWH is essentially worshiping the kinesiological force inside of ones own body plus the forces of nature (wind, sun, etc). The concept of that ancient God was split off into multiple religions thousands of years ago. Not gonna elaborate any more on this, you all can figure yourselves out at this point. I would recommend you study Hebrew, Latin, Greek, Aramaic, and even older languages if you want to learn Christianity. Or just pick up a copy of the Bible and skim through it. Or do whatever you want. If you've ever seen someone standing in a field about to be struck by lightning you see their hair splits up into a fork that looks like a Y. You can see trees, flowers and animals do this too, especially during thunderstorms sometimes. Essentially all religions are just about how humanity navigates the world and time and gets stuff done.
>>525768381I am less than that; I am nothing, and I will be nothing.
>>525767442>this God existed, we would obviously be seeing very powerful evidence in the world of a supernatural force guiding people to ChristianityWrong for so many reasonsFirst of all you just made it up. It's a non sequitur based on absolutely nothing. Second if you did accept there is powerful evidence of a force guiding people to Christianity you'd just cry that it's aliens tricking us and continue to reject God.
>>525767978>First of all, free will. If miracles or divinity was expressed to the world in a way too direct, like impossible to deny, then people wouldn’t have the freedom to choose.Yes they would. Giving people accurate information to make informed decisions does not stop suicidal people from deliberately harming themselves. You would never apply this line of reasoning to anything else. You would never say that it's "love" to avoid informing someone that they're about to step into an active minefield. You only use this reasoning with religion because you are mentally warped and compartmentalize things.
>>525768148That's fine if you believe in an evil god who has arbitrarily doomed people to Hell, but that's not the mainstream Christian god concept I'm arguing against.
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>>525768184It's axiomatic. If there's x, then there must be evidence of x.
>>525769240SEE, I'VE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE FOR A WHILE NOW!Political implications of Jews being niggers?It's true, Jews are niggers. I mean, on genetic reports, their Jewish DNA or Ashkenazi DNA didn't come up that way originally, they simply chose some strain of Middle Eastern DNA common among Jews and called it Jewish/Ashkenazi. Which means that Jews are sandniggers or simply niggers since sandniggers are derived from niggers. That means:ASHKENAZI = ISANIGGERWhich means that Jews are just niggers with superiority complexes, which explains them always going around saying, "WE IS ALL CHOZEN AND SHIEET!", like stupid niggers. This also means that Israel VS Palestine is really just two nigger gangs from the same ghetto chimping out on one another over stupid nigger shit.In conclusion:TOTAL NIGGER DEATHBecause kikes are niggers.
>>525768380I don't believe in the big bang.
>>525767442How come the Old Testament says the jews are the synagogue of satan?
>>525768482Christianity has not run nearly as long as more ancient religions like the Egyptian religion and it's about to overtaken in numbers by Islam within just a few years.
>>525768757Actually Yahweh was just a tribal storm deity, subservient to a higher god, had limited powers, and had a wife named Asherah.
>>525767442>I'm specialYou're too proud to find God.
>>525767442>If God real why he not adhere to my will Stop shitting up the board and go research basic philosophy
>>525767442>>525769156>>525769219>>525769277>>525769361>>525769420You will never be Black
>>525768904God would know exactly what we would and would not consider as being evidence of aliens. He would know how our minds work and would give us evidence that is 100% persuasive to everyone.
>>525769428The only argument Christians have in the end is "you disagree with me because you're somehow defective". That childish copout is your last refuge in every argument every time.
>>525769156If you had in the sky an undeniable proof of God, and you know that denying him or accepting him is the difference between living or dying, you don’t have free will. There’s nobody in the world, unless they’re literally mentally disabled or have some very serious mental problem, but even then, who is going to “freely choose” against that. Seeing it in the sky would be a sign so objective of his existence that everybody would lose free will. There would be nobody left with free will.And also, about “just informing”… people are already informed. There is the Torah, there are the prophets, there is the New Testament, and more important than the books, there is prayer. So people are already informed. Whoever has a tender heart, whoever looks at the world from humility and not from ego, can see very clearly that the reality we live in is a creation and that we have been created. And if there is a creation, there is a creator.And no, I’m not “religious”. I’m a talking about the Divinity, not of religion, ok? Religion is something made by men, and for me it is immoral. God is an undeniable reality. Religion makes no sense, except to control and enslave.
>>525769357Because they are. The old testament is a true and accurate record of real events that occured before there was plastic, electricity, and much pollution on the earth. Stuff was different back then and the way people controlled matter and the world was a lot more brutal, primitive and terrifying. It was also more beautiful, and strange, and mysterious. The people with the most raw supernatural power have been evil from the beginning, it's in each major religious book and everyone knows why those books were written. They're history books, war books, medicine books, natural law books. They divide the earth and create hierarchies and currency. Do you really need someone explaining all this to you?
>>525768380but the entire basis of Christiannity lies in the papoteroof of Jesus and the miracles he performed to witnesses who went on to report them.His apostles didn't need faith they witnessed the evidence. And the people who met the apostes and saw the miracles also witnessed the real thing. It's just demanded of the remaining 99.99% of humanity to accept those testimonies instead of getting the real thing. If you're a chinese person living at the time of jesus you have to ask yourself why did God send a guy to middle east and not to their own millenia old nation.
>>525768148Not according to Paul
>>525769761Re does not require faith or demand conversion
>>525767442jews aren't Christians. They are assmad faggots who cannot defeat Jesus Christ and will never be allowed in. Blame Esau for being a soup-drinking retard. The end.
>>525769524>>525769670Just be a Jew burn Argentina
>>525767442I cannot be christian or any kind of abrahamist because I think race matters as much as the spirit. I think that like other material forces in this world such as exercise, meditation, prayer, pornography, and drugs, genetics can both negatively and positively influence one's spirit. For some races, their genetics are such that connection to or comprehension of the divine is extremely limited or outright impossible. You can try to 'educate' them all you like about how to nourish the soul, but it's all in vain because they don't have one.Christians on /pol/ will deny it, but their religion is ultimately neutral on race. A nigger who rapes and murders his whole life has just as good a chance of getting into heaven as you or me so long has he says the magic words and repents. Race doesn't exist in the kingdom of heaven. Browns have souls just like you and me.Sounds like a bunch of woke nonsense to me.
>>525767442It is but youre doing it wrong.Just prove Jesus never existed which is piss easy. The Bible was written 200 years after the alleged events many of which are impossible with what we know (the king that ordered the census was long dead for example).Add to this that there are no first or second hand accounts that mention him or his following.No personal letters. No roman reports or documents. Literally nothing. There was no record of a Jesus or yeshua or anything of the sort leading a rebellion or being executed. Not one iota of evidence.There is one historian who talks about it but its largely considered a forgery as it doesnt match his writing style or fit into what he said before or after its supposed chronological placement in his works.Its all a jewish lie. Every fucking sentence of it.
>>525769761>you don’t have free will.Yes I do. I could just choose to die.>There’s nobody in the world, unless they’re literally mentally disabled or have some very serious mental problem, but even then, who is going to “freely choose” against that.Not very many people. That's why God should pursue this option if salvation is actually his goal. Staying hidden only makes sense if damnation were his goal.>people are already informed. There is the Torah, there are the prophets, there is the New Testament, and more important than the books, there is prayer. So people are already informed.Those are just human works. That is not God informing people of anything.>And if there is a creation, there is a creator.And that creator cannot possibly be the Christian god. It might be some other god, but the Christian one cannot exist.>God is an undeniable reality.I know nothing about God, but Yahweh is 100% debunked.
>>525767442>Why didn't God just make people that believe in him in the first place like robots
>>525770170Jesus probably did exist. Most historians believe he existed. Obviously the Gospels are bullshit but they are most likely inspired by a real guy.
>>525770170And I'm sure you will apply the same rigor to disprove Homer's translations, Virgile's translation, Plutarque's translations, Aristotle's translations.
>>525769361The islamic countries count everyone in it as muslim, without counting who actually practices the religion within that country. And many of those are african countries, so who even cares. Who really cares. And saudi arabia itself is secularizing. Those numbers are meaningless. It will die as well. Look at Iran. They hate islam.
>>525770170Ok, so the Bible is true for some people, and it's not true for others. Einstein's split blind experiment explains how this is easily possible.
>>525767442Abrahamic religions have stories and traditions as dumb as the most backwards african village
>>525769524>God would know exactly what we would and would not consider as being evidence of aliensIrrelevant. You'd consider everything to be evidence of aliens. It's called denial. Like a troon saying he's a woman no matter the evidence. >He would know how our minds work and would give us evidence that is 100% persuasive to everyoneWrong. More made up non sequitur nonsense. Logical persuasion is irrelevant when someone is in denial. That is the point. Your claim:>this God existed, we would obviously be seeing very powerful evidence in the world of a supernatural force guiding people to ChristianityRemains wrong. It's a non sequitur based on nothing (especially logic)And you didn't refute my point about rejecting evidence either.
>>525770367I live in New England and I don't know a single white person who believes in any religion.
>>525767442You cannot disprove God because your perception of reality does not compare to a being that created your reality, the laws said reality adheres to, and the concepts that make it up. Are you forced to adhere to the laws of your sandwich? Do you care if you sandwich doesn't believe you exist?And Christianity has been constantly under attack from all angles, for centuries, by people who dissolve under merit. The world has gone to absolute shit because of it. People are starting to see demons in the left and we might see a resurgence of Christianity soon.
>there's no evidence! Of what, you fucking inorganic shitty bot, is there no evidence
>>525770367Every religion is in denial about people abandoning faith. Churches will count people who haven't attended mass for years as part of their congregation so they can get more gibs
>>525767442>there's an omnipotent and omniscient god out there who loves humanity and wants to save us by funnelling humanity into the correct belief systemyes1 timothy 2:3-4>This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.>If this God existed, then we would obviously be seeing very powerful evidence in the world of a supernatural force guiding people to Christianity.Now, the way you continue this argument isn't actually with non-christcucks but with other christcuck sects.Why doesn't yahweh lead protestants to catholicism/orthodoxy (and vice-versa)?
>>525770525>Irrelevant.You'd consider everything to be evidence of aliens. It's called denial. Like a troon saying he's a woman no matter the evidence.No. If there was good evidence of God I would just believe in God. I change beliefs based on new evidence and experiences all the time.>Logical persuasion is irrelevant when someone is in denial. That is the point.Your only evidence for your god is some stupid book full of myths, so your case isn't anywhere near strong enough to start claiming that people who reject it are "in denial".
>>525770574I can disprove YOUR god.
>>525767442>mfw i look up the etymology of "christ"wtf the antichristian shitposters were right all this fucking time. why the fuck have the kikes pyoped us all into christianity for a thousand years?
>>525770820How 15 year old are you or dishonest? I'm not Christian, in fact I don't care for them. But if you claim there's no evidence for paranormal stuff, we have a problem, boi. You're probably a glowie or AI tho.
>>525767442Prove it
>>525770946There's plenty of evidence for paranormal stuff. There's NO evidence for god of the Jews that Christians worship. Look carefully at what I'm actually saying.
>>525770776>No. If there was good evidence of God I would just believe in God.This is a feelings-based claim. You cannot even explain what is "good" evidence that rules out aliens. Into the trash >Logical persuasion is irrelevant when someone is in denial. That is the point.>Your only evidence for your god is some stupid book blaah blah blahAnd there it is. You're abandoning the argument to make subjective insultsYou've lostYour claim:>this God existed, we would obviously be seeing very powerful evidence in the world of a supernatural force guiding people to ChristianityRemains wrong.It's a non sequitur based on nothing (especially logic)And you didn't refute my point about rejecting evidence either.
>>525769878>Re does not require faith or demand conversionGod doesn’t demand faith or conversion either. Knowing God has nothing to do with “converting” to something or having “faith” as in believing a claim and that’s it. Faith is just a belief about something. Knowledge of God is different. I don’t “believe” in God. I know God. I know God exists. It’s a reality, like I know that if I breathe air it fills my lungs with oxygen and I exhale carbon dioxide. It’s reality. God isn’t a belief, it isn’t faith, it isn’t conversion.So “Ra does not require faith or demand conversion.” Perfect, as it should be.This modern religion concept comes from how history advanced, empires and all that, as a form of control. So yeah, I’ll give you that: conversion and faith as “join the club” doesn’t even fit God.When I say conversion, I mean conversion as “I convert into a group” or “I join a label.” That’s not the point. If there’s any “conversion” that matters, it’s internal evolution, something more private.
>>525769837Maybe the bug people of the China aren't eligible for salvation?
>>525770115You do realize that race is just about matter and time, right? Eastern medicine explains this better. Yin is everything dark, heavy, slow, horizontal and cold. Yang is quick, bright, light, and upright. People, or creatures, have changed due to the choices they've made, due to what attracts them, due to environmental forces on them, over millions and millions of years. DNA expressions change based on choices and the relationship our bodies have with the natural world. With the natural world suffering from pollution, people have adapted to navigate all of it. Earth keeps gently producing everything that people and all creatures need and humans keep making vain plastic things. Pressure and time will turn a lot of vain things back to simple rocks or stones but you get what I'm saying right, about race? Every time people bring up race it's because they are insecure, and life is not really about forcing yourself to be someone else but just being happy with yourself. If people on earth want a natural hiararchy they always choose one and different ways to relate to each other. Personally I like a gentle world that is also fast-paced and easy to navigate. I don't like slavery. I don't like human predators. I don't like any religion that terrorizes others, Judaism and Christianity and Islam included. I get why they exist, but the old people in charge who keep using those books to terrify and control populations are really unbalanced and chaotic.
>>525767442God doesn’t want to save us, he DID save us with Christs accomplishment on the cross which guarantees life for all 1 Tim 4:10, 1 Cor 15:20-28. The current wicked Eon is a temporary time period in which God has intentionally blinded those parts of creation who carry out the role of vessels of dishonor (all of Romans 9) but this is also temporary and they will also be conciliated to God at the consummation of the Eons. Nothing about this life of flesh during this wicked time reflects palest light of the glory for all which is to come. Grace and peace
>>525770209So if you think you’d “choose to die”, you’re basically doing it right now already. You’re choosing it, for real. Even with an irrefutable proof of God’s existence, you choose death, you’re a suicidal type and you choose it, fine. And like you, a lot of people would do it. A lot of people don’t want to know anything about God because they’re suicidal, they hate themselves, they hate life, and they prefer to die and want everybody to die too. That’s what the whole woke culture is anyway, it’s a culture of death. So I guess you’re on that path. Perfect. How stupid, honestly. But great, God is fine with it too, you can want whatever you want.And this “salvation” you talk about, it’s already written. And even if it wasn’t written, it’s inside every one of us. If people actually meditated, not the oriental “empty your mind” thing, I mean meditation like thinking deeply, or if they did prayer, which is another form of meditation, they would find the truth inside themselves. People are informed. And this “Christian God” thing, what are you even talking about. God is God. You can’t say Christian God, Jewish God, whatever. God is God. There aren’t many gods, there’s one. Don’t put God into a group. What Christians pray to, what Jews pray to, etc, it’s the same God. Because there can’t be more than one God, there can’t be two, there can’t be three. And “Yahweh is 100% debunked”… what the fuck is that even supposed to mean. The name of God, Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh, is basically the representation of Being in past, present and future. It means the one who was, is, and will be. That’s it. “Debunked” my ass. It’s honestly embarrassing to talk to you when you throw out this kind of nonsense. What do you expect from a woke American.
>>525767442Islam exists in ecosystem alsoSo you also are disproving islamyou can go back to preddit now
>>525769361The Catholic church isn't some vague idea like "Egyptian religion", it's an actual institution that has lasted 2000 years. Nothing else in earth's history comes remotely close.
>>525771125>This is a feelings-based claim.So was yours. If you arbitrarily claim that I would reject evidence, I can arbitrarily claim I wouldn't.>You cannot even explain what is "good" evidence that rules out aliens.I don't know what persuades me until I experience it. Nothing I believe was a result of something meeting some criteria I had already established. If your god is omnipotent then he has the ability to convince me.>And there it is. You're abandoning the argument to make subjective insultsJust like you did when you said I was "in denial".>It's a non sequitur based on nothingIt follows from the existence of x that there would be evidence of the existence of x.>And you didn't refute my point about rejecting evidence either.Your arbitrary claim that I reject evidence? Why do you expect a serious response to baseless accusations of bad character or dishonesty against a stranger?
>>525771217>like I know that if I breathe air it fills my lungs with oxygen and I exhale carbon dioxidethat's not something you know, that's something you learned in science books... People knew in ancient times that the earth was the center of the universe, and that the sun rose in the morning and settled in the evening by the hand of God but it turns out it was what they thought and had been raised to believe>>525771328you can't both believe in christian god and then think he messed up in his creation and created billions of people who aren't really people
>>525767978>>525769761akshually even a casual reader of the bible with basic recall would know that God and Jesus performed countless miracles with undeniable proof in front of people, yet they refused. it's also stated that there will be those who see irrefutable miracles and still refuse to accept Jesus. so it has nothing to do with free will or control per the doctrine itself.
>>525771616buddhism? judaism?
>>525771499>race is the result of accumulated time and matterCorrect, which is why the race(s) that CAN comprehend the divine ought to be delicately preserved and not thrown into the shit infused cesspool of a genepool alongside jeets and niggers.
There are no gods, and Yahwe is a demon that demands conquest and murder from his chosen people. Most are not his chosen people. Jesus is a demon too, because he says love your enemy and turn the other cheek. These are vices and not virtues; these are things that are completely unrealistic and not what people should do. Yahwe and Jesus need to be disposed off. And again: there are no gods. Sorry, Muslims and Christians: Just let it go.
>>525771770exactly, free will
>>525772008You're going to have to air your frustrations with the Jews in power, not with me.
>>525771554>You’re choosing it, for real.No. If I chose death I would just shoot myself.>Even with an irrefutable proof of God’s existenceThere's no evidence of any kind for the existence of the Yahweh being, or the divinity of a carpenter who lived in the Roman empire. As for any other gods, I cannot speak to their plausibility, not my area of study.>A lot of people don’t want to know anything about God because they’re suicidal, they hate themselves, they hate life, and they prefer to die and want everybody to die too.No, actually you've convinced yourself that people think that way because you have to believe this in order to make sense of the fact that they aren't Christians without undermining your own faith. If you admitted to yourself that non-christians are actually perfectly reasonable, that would create logical and theological problems for you.>they would find the truth inside themselves. People are informed.Ah yes, I meditated and then suddenly realized that God was actually a carpenter who lived in a small village on the outskirts of Rome 2000 years ago, so clear now.>And this “Christian God” thing, what are you even talking aboutThe Christian god is the ancient tribal semetic deity "Yahweh". He is one of millions of gods recognized by world religions throughout history.>The name of God, Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh, is basically the representation of Being in past, present and future.Yahweh is not exercising any power in this world. He is not doing anything. Therefore he has no ability to, or he has no motive or desire to. Both of those possibilities disprove the Christian concept of a god who has both the power and the motive to carry out an agenda on earth.
>>525771575Yes, and? I don't care about Islam, it has no relevance to my life or personal history or the culture I live in. I barely know anything about it.
>>525771616Egyptian religion was a state run institution and so was Greek religion and Zoroastrianism and several other examples.
>>525767442celsus was right 1848 years agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTilTcdVAb8
>>525771627>If you arbitrarily claim that I would reject evidenceMy claim was not arbitrary. It's based on the fact you cannot define good evidence that excludes aliens and is 100% persuasive, yet you expect God can make this paradox you rely on. >I don't know what persuades me until I experience itConcession accepted You rely on a paradox and you're just saying "trust me bro it can exist and I'll know it when I heckin see it!"No different than saying a square circle can exist and you'll "know it when you see it"Your argument and OP go into the trash>this God existed, we would obviously be seeing very powerful evidence . . . of a supernatural force guiding people >>It's a non sequitur based on nothing>It follows from the existence of x that there would be evidence of the existence of x.You are flip flopping between X being "God" and X being "God's guidance". Those are two separate things. You can't even keep track of your own nonsense lol>Your arbitrary claim that I reject evidence? You reject all evidence of God by denying it's evidence and then saying it's not evidence.. That isn't arbitrary it's an undeniable fact. I'm merely pointing out the fact the trend will continue no matter the evidence, and your only "retort" is something you cannot even define (because it's a paradox)>accusations of bad character All I'm doing is accurately describing your character. If you think your character is bad then that is a "you problem"Your claim:>this God existed, we would obviously be seeing very powerful evidence in the world of a supernatural force guiding people to ChristianityRemains wrong.It's a non sequitur based on nothing (especially logic)And you didn't refute my point about rejecting evidence either.
>>525772481I've never heard this. Makes sense from a Roman perspective
>>525767442>killing is sin bc when you kill you are killing a part of god>forgive them for they know not what they do-God creates everythingGod creates humans, "i create man in my image">tfw stupid humans think in simplicityHurr durr we look like godHurr durr the human body is form ment to hold a part of GOD>god is a dimensional beingGOD is everything and consciousness itself. God created humans in his image it doesn't just mean physical form.
>>525767442>my limited mental capacity only allows me to see a portion of the picture>anything outside of that is illogical and therefore, inconceivablelmao you're just another lost soul eagerly awaiting conversion
>>525771695Define person.
>>525772728>yet you expect God can make this paradox you rely on.It's completely reasonable because he is allegedly omnipotent and designed my brain.>You rely on a paradox and you're just saying "trust me bro it can exist and I'll know it when I heckin see it!"That is how all beliefs are formed.>You are flip flopping between X being "God" and X being "God's guidance".If God has an objective we should see evidence of this objective being accomplished through means beyond any kind of human power.>You reject all evidence of God by denying it's evidence and then saying it's not evidence.. That isn't arbitrary it's an undeniable fact.You have not shared any evidence for me to reject.>Remains wrong.It's a non sequitur based on nothing (especially logic)And you didn't refute my point about rejecting evidence either.Are you that guy who just posts the same thing over and over again? It makes you sound dumb, you should stop doing that. I did address the point you are referring to so you can definitely stop copypasting that line.
>>525767978>If miracles or divinity was expressed to the world in a way too direct, like impossible to deny, then people wouldn’t have the freedom to choose.>Even with an irrefutable proof of God’s existenceYou've completely contradicted yourself. Either the proof is irrefutable or it's not. You're flip-flopping. If it's irrefutable, then present it. We've been asking for just such that proof from you guys for thousands of years.
>>525773698What sort of proof do you want? Can you describe this proof?
>>525772256You keep doing this bait-and-switch where you talk about “the Christian god” and “a carpenter” and then pretend I’m defending church-brand religion. I’m not. I’m not talking about Jesus, I’m not talking about conversion. I’m talking about knowledge of God as an undeniable reality. So yeah, take your “gotchas” and put them up your ass.About “if I chose death I would just shoot myself”. Fine. You can always choose self-destruction. That doesn’t prove free will survives an irrefutable sky-sign in the way you think. If the sky literally shows God and the stakes are eternal life vs death, that’s pressure so extreme it becomes coercion for basically everyone.“Yahweh is just a tribal god.” Sure, historically the name comes out of a messy ancient context. Cultures change, words change, concepts evolve. What matters is the concept they reached: God is one, not a pantheon. Philosophically that’s a huge leap. And the name Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh, is a strong pointer: the One who was, is, and will be. Eternal. It’s a meditation on Being. “God” as a generic word is way weaker and muddy, it mixes with all kinds of stuff.And your “Yahweh is doing nothing so he has no power or no motive”. That’s just you demanding control. You want God to run your life like tech support and fix every bad outcome.
>>525767442If God wanted us to understandas a result of force and not freewillwe would have nothing to doThere would be no freewill carving of soulno effort of peace to do good workGod humbles himself to guide ushe can create anythingIf he wanted it to race toward the end gameit would be done in a moment
>>525773698The proof is in the science of everything. There's structure everywhere in the universe. MATH is made up mumbo jumbo that some autistics polymaths put together with intuition and pattern recognition. That's all math is but yet theres structure in EVERYTHING
>>525773856>>525771554He suggested that there is an irrefutable proof that. Many christians and other jew-worshippers have made this claim as well for their god, yahweh: that he is omnipotent. It doesn't matter to me what "sort" of irrefutable proof they give, I'll take any irrefutable proof, gladly.
>>525773698there is no contradiction: “irrefutable proof” is exactly the thing I’m saying God does not give in the public, coercive, sky-writing way, because that collapses freedom into compliance.The claim isn’t “there is irrefutable proof and I’m hiding it”, the claim is “if God made it irrefutable in that external way, choice becomes basically forced, so that’s not how God relates to humans”. What you call “flip-flopping” is you pretending the only options are (A) undeniable spectacle (B) nothingKnnowledge of God is not a retail product you can hand over on demand, it’s approached through humility, prayer/meditation, and honest inner inspection, plus the external witness of tradition (if you need it, it depends on each person, some people dont need tradition).You can reject that, but it’s not a logical rejection.. it you refusing the entire framework... and then acting like that refusal refutes it.
>>525774031That doesn't prove that yahweh or jesus is omnipotent. Even if what you're saying is true, that just proves that there is structure in everything. Great. That doesn't convert me to christianity or any other form of yahweh-worship.
>>525773912>I’m talking about knowledge of God as an undeniable reality. So yeah, take your “gotchas” and put them up your ass.I'm talking about the Christian god. I've been very clear about that. If you just want to defend some kind of general deism type god, I'm not interested in that discussion.>That doesn’t prove free will survives an irrefutable sky-sign in the way you think. If the sky literally shows God and the stakes are eternal life vs death, that’s pressure so extreme it becomes coercion for basically everyone.But they can still choose death. So your claim that it violates free will is wrong.>God is one, not a pantheon.Exactly. That's why the Christian Yahweh god isn't real. The god that appeared to Abraham is fictitious.>And your “Yahweh is doing nothing so he has no power or no motive”. That’s just you demanding control. You want God to run your life like tech support and fix every bad outcome.No, it's me demanding to see evidence for extraordinary claims, such as the claim that a superhumanly powerful and intelligent being is carrying out an agenda on Earth.
>>525773497>It's completely reasonable because he is allegedly omnipotentProve an omnipotent being can create paradoxes using only logic, not definitions. You obviously cannot. Thus you once again lose the argument. >That is how all beliefs are formed.Pathetic non answer. The topic is your arguments not your beliefs. Nobody cares about your beliefs. Your argument relies on something you cannot define, thus by default your argument is inherently flawed. Thus you once again lose the argument. >>You are flip flopping between X being "God" and X being "God's guidance".>If God has an objective we should see evidence of this objective being accomplished through means beyond any kind of human power.Pathetic non answer. The charge was the fact you flip flop what X meant and yet you use it as a foundational argument. Flip flopping is a flaw in argumentation. Thus you once again lose the argument>You have not shared any evidence for me to reject.Pathetic non answer. The point is you reject all evidence. It doesn't matter if the evidence is supplied by me. You're just weasling away from facts you don't want to face at this point. >Are you that guy who just posts the same thing over and over again? If you don't know how IDs on this site work you need to leave. You are not smart enough to be here. >I did address the point you are referring to so you can definitely stop copypasting that lineAddressed, but failed to refute. Big difference. The fact remains:Your claim:>this God existed, we would obviously be seeing very powerful evidence in the world of a supernatural force guiding people to ChristianityRemains wrong.It's a non sequitur based on nothing (especially logic)And you didn't refute my point about rejecting evidence either.
>>525774144You're asking me if the kinesiological force between an individual and the world around that individual is omnipotent and you're asking me to personally prove it?
>>525767442First, the validity of Christianity is not solely based on growth patterns. There are a wide variety of other evidences it rests on. Second, Christianity has historically been the fastest growing religion out of all of them since the beginning of Christ and is still the largest religious group in the world so that completely undermines your point. Its historical trajectory remains unparalleled in terms of rapid expansion and lasting global influence. In 2050, Christianity will still be the world’s largest religious group, with around a third of the world’s population adhering to its various denominations. It is currently the fastest growing religion in China, even when repressed by the government (we see this same parallel in Rome when Christians were persecuted). Many claim that Islam is the fastest growing religion in Arab countries but that is only because of demographic factors like fertility rates, not conversion. We see many Arabs in Muslim countries being visited by Jesus in dreams, causing them to secretly join Christianity. The Iranian Christian Church for instance is the fastest-growing in Iran despite severe legal and governmental restrictions as it is illegal to convert to Christianity in Iran, and such conversions are considered acts of treason under the country's theocratic regime. You actually have to severely kill and repress Christianity to prevent it from growing in places like the Middle East, Africa, North Korea, China, India and yet even with these restrictions, Christianity is often the fastest growing religion in those countries. Christianity does all of this without requiring compulsion or threats of death or violence before joining or leaving it.
>>525769867Book, chapter, verse?
>>525774257God is everything the son is god in image. Remember>god is a dimensional being
>>525773006They are paid to post these walls of text and spam that shit for a decade and a half now. You will get the same threads rephrased and reposted daily for years and years. Everybody knows that Christ is God because jews are satanic vermin and utterly evil perhaps the most evil people that have walked the earth
>>525769357>How come the Old Testament says the jews are the synagogue of satan?It literally doesn't. It says some jews, who claim they are jews, are actually the synagogue of Satan. Christniggers always misquote that verse to make themselves look more antisemetic. The reality is that christcuckoldry is a jewish deathcult for goyim.
>>525767442>If this God existed, then we would obviously be seeing very powerful evidence in the world of a supernatural force guiding people to Christianity.That would be the Bible itself. Pic related
>>525767978Motherfucker, you wake up everyday in a world impossible to deny. What's more is that, in the Bible, miracles are happening in front of people's faces all the time. The Apostle Paul was famiusly physically taken up to heaven and preached to by angels and shit. So either miracles don't interfere with free will or God doesn't actually give a shit about it. Better hurray up and convert to Calvinism because you can't have it both ways.
>>525774215I never said anything about an "external way". I'll take any irrefutable proof whatsoever. I've never claimed that there is an irrefutable proof, yahweh-worshippers like you have claimed that. Go ahead and supply one if you have it. >Knnowledge of God is not a retail product you can hand over on demandI never said it was. However, an omnipotent being can do anything which is logically possible. If yahweh is omnipotent, it is logically possible for him to give me knowledge that he is so. Take the three propositions: 1) Yahweh is omnipotent. 2) I have freedom without compliance. 3) Yahweh causes me to know he is omnipotent. There is no logical contradiction between those three premises and so therefore an omnipotent being can cause that to be the case.
>>525771499>You do realize that race is just about matter and time, right?Yeah no shit, evolution exists and some races evolved to be smarter/better than others
I can beat all of you in chess. That's enough evidence for me.
>>525774257No one is trying to get you to worship YWH, are they?
>>525774144Please learn to read. Your reading comprehension is not that good. I didn’t say “there exists an irrefutable external proof and I have it.” I talked about a hypothetical: if God had an irrefutable sky-level proof, that would be coercive. That’s not the same thing as claiming it exists.God as a reality can be irrefutable, without there being an irrefutable external “proof” you can demand like a lab demo. Gravity existed before it was theoretically detailed. It was real, but there wasn’t a logical/mathematical explanation for people. Later we got models and math that function like proof. Do the same mental exercise here.The “proof” you’re asking for is the wrong category. Knowledge of God is internal. You could call it a process of faith, but I don’t like the word faith because it implies belief-without-certainty. When someone knows God, it’s fixed, exact, and undeniable.If you want something “irrefutable”, start with prayer and meditation. Drop the books, drop the religions, drop the tribe-war stuff. Talk to yourself honestly in a process of meditation and prayer. I’m talking about an internal transformation that brings you closer to God and to knowing God as an undeniable reality.
>>525774352I'm not asking you if it is. If you have the proof, go ahead and supply it. If you don't, then don't. I'm not asking you for anything you don't claim to have. I'm responded to someone who claims that there is such a proof.
>>525772728Can you just cut to the point and prove that your magic jewish skydaddy is actually real already? We are still waiting for one of you drones to prove his existence. Prove Yahweh exists. I want one of you cock-sure christniggers ITT to prove he exists for us. You never do.
>>525774307>Prove an omnipotent being can create paradoxes using only logic, not definitions. You obviously cannot.I don't understand anything you're saying here. What do you mean by "paradoxes"? >Nobody cares about your beliefs. Your argument relies on something you cannot define, thus by default your argument is inherently flawed.The definition is irrelevant because if you accept that God is omnipotent then you've already accepted that he could convince me of his existence if he merely wanted to. If you want an example, then how about "Christian explorers discover North America and find out that the natives already knew about Jesus and practiced Christianity independently". That would be extremely convincing to me. It would require altering history though, but that's one of my better examples of something I think I would actually find extremely compelling evidence for this god.>The charge was the fact you flip flop what X meant and yet you use it as a foundational argument. Flip flopping is a flaw in argumentation.No, x is God. I expect to see evidence of x. The evidence or "guidance" itself is not x. I did not flip flop, you are mistaken.>The point is you reject all evidence. It doesn't matter if the evidence is supplied by me. You're just weasling away from facts you don't want to face at this point.How can you say I reject evidence and simultaneously admit that this has not actually occurred?
>>525767442Not reading that shit. But I know your mentality and reasoning doesn't come from a place of honesty, sincerity or building; you just want to hit people over the head with any old stick you can find. Grow up, nigger
>>525774929The best I can do for you in terms of proof is offer my own limited perspective. I apologize that it is not sufficient. You may want to ask people who are more learned on this subject. I think YWH is a Hebrew concept, so maybe a Hebrew speaker can enlighten you further.
>>525774360But the growth is very plainly tied to technology and exploration, it's not supernatural. Even if Christianity were 70% of the population, if there's some obvious human mechanism behind it then it's not evidence of divine origin.
>>525774360>There are a wide variety of other evidences it rests on.Okay, show us then. Certainly not anything scientific or based in objective reality because evolution has already disproven the story of creation as explained in Genesis.
>>525774297>I'm talking about the Christian god. I've been very clear about that. If you just want to defend some kind of general deism type god, I'm not interested in that discussion.ok, I am sorry
>A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away.
>>525774649Everything in your "science then" column is cherry picked to an absurd degree.
>>525771839>>525772378The Catholic Church has a formal hierarchy and structure and rules, unbroken, for 2000 years. Budhism, judaism, they're loose ideas not under central authority. Same with pislam.Greek religion was never unified. Egyptian "religion" was decentralised with constant different new factions arrissing - and it didn't last long under 1 rule, same for the others.
>>525775018Translation:>"I am a total effeminate pussy who cant handle my retarded belief systems being challenged int he slightest"LMAO look at this scared little manbaby.
>>525775128Did you know aliens live in our oceans?>they arent aliens
>>525774845Your claim was:>You’re choosing it, for real. Even with an irrefutable proof of God’s existence, you choose death, you’re a suicidal type and you choose it, fine.That at the very least suggests there there is an irrefutable proof, if not outright implies it. >Drop the books, drop the religions, drop the tribe-war stuff.I have to stop reading books in order to access the proof? Or you're just saying the books won't help with accessing the proof?>alk to yourself honestly in a process of meditation and prayer.I've been doing that for over 20 years of my adult life now. If you have any others tips, please go ahead and supply them.>>525774828Yes; every apologetic jew and christian whom I've ever met.
>>525770574>You cannot disprove God because your perception of reality does not compare to a being that created your realityUnless of course, your magic jewish skydaddy "Yahweh" is a work of fiction and none of that bullshit is true.
>>525775018Because Christianity is evil and needs to die. They literally believe in a god who murdered all the first born children in a whole country just to manipulate the governor, among countless other things just as bad. It's an ideology of evil and I want to see a large revolution that puts it out of it's misery.
>>525774971>I don't understand anything you're saying hereThen how come you kept saying I was wrong?Ooopsie!You're pathetic and don't want to admit you're wrong. It's that simple. >What do you mean by "paradoxes"? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paradoxThere you go. Since you know what words mean now you can understand what I'm saying.I''ll debunk he rest of your desperate slop after you prove an omnipotent being can create paradoxes, since all of your debunked nonsense has relied on it >>525774963>consensus cracking jew shill brigade has shown upI must be winning the argument better than I thought>that your magic jewishWhat are you talking about?This threed is about God and God isn't jewish so the rest of your kike cope doesn't make sense
>>525768381If you actually believed that and your mind didnt have some hope of immortality in some weird way youd be catatonic in a corner not posting on 4chan specifically attacking christianity lmao.TMT is so last tuesday fambam
>>525775128>Okay, show us then. Certainly not anything scientific or based in objective reality because evolution has already disproven the story of creation as explained in Genesis.Genesis is not trying to be a scientific description of the physical world. Bereshit (Genesis) is a theological and metaphysical text about what reality is and what humans are, told in story form. The “days” are a way of organizing order out of chaos, setting boundaries, naming things, separating light from darkness, sea from land, time from timelessness. It answers “why is there something, why is there order, why do distinctions exist, why does human life have moral weight”, but is not a “what is the mechanism”.Hit is just s built into the tradition. Maimonides is explicit that a lot of scripture is written in the language of human imagination, because people are not pure intellect. God is not a body, so when the text uses images like “God spoke” or “God rested”, you’re not supposed to read it like a CCTV recording of a cosmic carpenter. Ramban goes further and says Bereshit contains deep layers under the surface story, meaning the narrative points beyond literal material events to the structure of being and the unfolding of reality. more deep readings will treat Bereshit as symbolic language about how reality becomes ordered, how humans mirror that ordering, and why history becomes a moral drama after the “garden” story.So “evolution disproved Genesis” only lands if you force Bereshit into a job it never claimed to be doing. Evolution explains a biological process. Bereshit is talking about meaning, order, consciousness, and the human role in a created reality. You can reject the theology, but you’re not refuting it by attacking a literalist cartoon of it.
>>525775300Those religions were actually controlled and enforced by the monarchies. Socrates was lawfully executed for promoting impiety against the Greek religious dogma. If they were decentralized it was only because they were so large and influential that there was no way to fully centralize them with the technology of the time. Christianity eventually became fragmented for the same reason.
>>525775745>Then how come you kept saying I was wrong?Ooopsie!You're pathetic and don't want to admit you're wrong. It's that simple.No, I just don't understand what you're saying. You'll have to explain further what the relevance is of "paradoxes" to what we're discussing, you've completely lost me. Why does an omnipotent being need to create paradoxes? Nothing you're saying is making any sense.
>>525775745>Asks for actual evidence that the kike tribal deity he worships is actually real.>Immediately dodges challenge and calls me a kike shill. LMAO @ this fucking loser. You avoid the question because you know you have no answer or proof. You can't win the argument, hence why you misdirect like the kike worshipper that you are.
>>525775610Christians believe the Bible is true, simple as. That it's history, and presents a true perspective, or combination of perspectives. There's a lot of good in the Bible and there is a lot of historical accounts of evil. It's meant to balance the two and provide a way by which people navigate present times, and it does a fairly good job of doing that, even given all the reckless abusers in power.Different people of the world all have different faiths. A lot of Christians are truly evil and a lot are truly good. Same for pretty much everybody. I would personally rather be around Christians than the other two religions, just a natural inclination to peace and solid ground.
cringe reddit atheism lol. Yeah people went and made up a resurrection of a dying messiah despite that being the opposite of what they expected and then got brutally murdered and tortured for it just for fun.
so we have cavemen doing shamanism, cave paintings (basically seeing animals as gods). then we have gobekli tepe. then sumerians with the annunaki. all these predate christianity... so what gives? xD
>>525767442Thats every universalist faith, especially judaism.
>>525776057>Protestant American survey says protestant American heretics support the jews We know, midwit >t. Catholic, Orthodox, the majority of Christians on the planet
>>525775505I get why you read it that way, I am sorry for my words, but no, I’m not implying I possess some external irrefutable proof. I was using a hypothetical: if God gave an irrefutable, public, impossible-to-deny proof, it would function like coercion for almost everyone. That’s the point. Hypothetical scenario, not “I have it, trust me bro”.And no, I’m not saying “stop reading books” as in reading is bad. Reading helps a lot. It can give you ideas, language, frameworks, it can help you understand concepts better. It’s important to read, not only the Bible but also exegesis and explanations that give you new angles on what the Bible or the Torah is saying. So yes, reading matters, you should read. What I meant is: books alone won’t hand you a button you press and then you get “proof”. For some people, books even become a shield, they stay in analysis forever and never face themselves. But that depends on the person.If you’ve been doing meditation/prayer honestly for 20+ years and you’re still at “nothing”, then I don’t have some magic tip. This is a private internal process. Anyone who claims they have a universal “path” that works for everyone is either lying or a psychopath. It depends on the person: your life, your experiences, how you relate to the world, how you react when bad or good things happen to you or to others, what you do with suffering, resentment, gratitude, humility...
>>525767978>First of all, free will. If miracles or divinity was expressed to the world in a way too direct, like impossible to deny, then people wouldn’t have the freedom to choose.This is such a cop out answer, >>525769156 sums it up well. I especially dislike the free will argument because it just feels lazy and logically flawed. We have the illusion of free will if God is omnipotent because God already knows the beginning and the end. If God already knows how everything is going to go then we don't actually have free will. If this is all true, then our entire existence seems borderline cruel and completely pointless.
>>525776071Anyone who worships a god who perpetrated the things written in the Old Testament is evil. All Christians, Jews, and Muslims have this kind of evil lurking inside them and this needs to be rooted out of the world.
>>525767442>The core Christian claim is that there's an omnipotent and omniscient god out there who loves humanity and wants to save us by funnelling humanity into the correct belief system whereby they put faith in this Jesus figure.No one alive prior to baby boomers believed in universalism, dispensationalism, or replacement theology. God didn't even make every human on this planet, and you think He wants to save them all? There's no faster way to tell me you've never read a single page of scripture.Hippy Jesus is a myth, one invented primarily by retards like you. Niggers are not the same species as white people. Nothing derails your breed of faggotry faster than pointing out the reality of racism.
>>525776404I agree with you. It doesn't change my heritage or my perspective or the situation in the world but I agree that evil needs to be destroyed from this world.
>>525776269Sounds like someone else has hit an enlightenment
>>525767442>If this God existed, then we would obviously be seeing very powerful evidence in the world of a supernatural force guiding people to Christianity. Why? You have to qualify why this is true. In fact the Bible literally says only few people will find Salvation. I think the problem here is you don't know what you're talking about.
>>525776457That includes anyone who is psychologically capable of making up or believing rationalizations as to why God's actions in the OT are somehow justfiable.
>>525775858>Genesis is not trying to be a scientific description of the physical worldHoly cope. It's a literal creation myth, the same as any other bronze age religion from the time. You are grasping at straws trying to hold onto this bullshit as being anything other than bronze age fairytales. Also, your use of "Bereshit" and "Ramban" outs you as a literal kike. Given your flag, I'd say your a kike shill with a proxy trying to spread this magical bullshit to whites so they dont racialize.
The shits all seem very, very motivated to shill against the things which scare them. Spirituality. The truth. They hate it. But they can’t even see it. Teehee. Cope. >if i moan then i can disperse the universe and recreate another one. There’s nothing you, a 2 second dirtbag can do against the truth, you crappy fool. Go and play with a turd some more. & didn’t and never do read.
>>525776501Then the Bible itself contradicts it's own God concept. It is self evident that if x exists, then evidence of x also exists.
>>525776267>>t. Catholic, Orthodox, the majority of Christians on the planetThanks for outing yourself as a filthy spic, Pedro. Here's what your pope says about migrants and kikes. Cathocuck beaners like you are worse than protestants.
>>525776633God is proven by the impossibility of the contrary. Creation itself is evidence. Unless you believe cause and effect stops working somewhere down the line for some unknown illogical faith you might have.
>>525776630You sound genuinely retarded/mentally ill.
>>525767978hiroshima level cope
>>525776775Nukes are fake and gay
>>525767442Old money chistians are based, but today modern religion is a jew psyop to cattle white goyim and rape white children, proof? Hitler and Epstein.
>>525776630You believe in a god who indiscriminately murders people for no reason. You will always be the wrong side.
>>525776417Cope harder bro. Christcucks gave away western civilization to the kikes.
>>525776753Creation doesn't prove the Christian god anymore than the intelligent design of a house proves that Elvis Presley specifically must have built it. Creation doesn't prove anything about a Jewish carpenter being God.
>>525776852The masons got inflated you mean
>>525776571You just said "God's actions in the old testament". Earlier I said my theory that YWH is any individual's kinesiological internal forces plus their environment. So, based on the perspective of the writers of the old testament, their YWH, or God, is perfectly justified. It presents a brutal, primitive and entirely accurate perspective of what life was like at that time for those people, and their movement and actions. It's justifiable to them. The world was different back then, probably a lot more dangerous, and with bigger creatures, and more active forces of nature on the earth. I tend to believe, or at least try to understand, the perspective of people who took the time to pass down the knowledge of survival through thousands of years of written history.
>>525767442> and wants to save us by funnelling humanity into the correct belief system whereby they put faith in this Jesus figure.You are already wrong. Why bother discussing God at all if you’re going to simultaneously try to pretend that God would put forward “a belief system” and “this Jesus figure”. There’s no point even having a discussion about God if you’re going to simultaneously try to minimise what God actually did and what we actually believe in. It’s not just “a belief system”, we’ve had plenty of those.
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>>525776039me:>>yet you expect God can make this paradox you rely on.your reply:>It's completely reasonable because he is allegedly omnipotent and designed my brain>You'll have to explain further what the relevance is of "paradoxes" to what we're discussingSee above. I already mentioned a paradox previously and you screeched I was wrong and needed no clarification to make said screeching. How could you screech I was "wrong" if you apparently needed clarification this whole time?Answer: you're just making things up and have no idea what to say, so you weasel out of it with sophistry and making me redefine what I already successfully argued. You're a pathetic and intellectually dishonest shillYou play these games because you cannot defend the debunked nonsense you say. Simple as. Your claim:>this God existed, we would obviously be seeing very powerful evidence in the world of a supernatural force guiding people to ChristianityRemains wrong.It's a non sequitur based on nothing (especially logic)Concession accepted>>525776057>seething jew shill is seething harderlolRemember, I have not called OP a jewI have only called ((((you)))) a jew because your behavior is that of a jew
>>525776917No creation doesn't prove the Christian God. You're a bit all over the place with this though since you tried to counter my argument by saying it contradicts the Bible's own God concept. How? What does the Bible submit that God is that his contradicted?
>>525776937Anyone who rationalizes that stuff in their head is evil.
I am the player in the game.The gay bankers don't run my life. I do.
>>525776363Yeah, you are right. We do have free will here. In this reality.Now, if you zoom out (or in) to “from God’s side”, the deeper level, the omniscience level, then free will as people usually imagine it doesn’t exist. In the reality of God there’s no time like here, there’s no “future arriving”. Inside the infinite mind of God the “future” is already there. Everything is already “written” there. What I’m going to do, what you’re going to do, is already present there.But even if that’s true on the deepest level, you still have to act as if free will exists here, because this is the plane where action happens. It’s like going into a supermarket thinking you won’t buy anything, and the whole place is engineered to nudge you, signals everywhere, marketing, placement, smells, the whole thing. In the end, you still perform the action and but that item. there is free will? maybe not, but you did the action of buying... so yes, there is free will?And yeah, I avoided saying it like this at first because it’s a minefield in normal conversation. People hear “no free will” and they jump straight to nihilism or cruelty arguments.
>>525777046What stuff? Frying a piece of bacon on a stove? I can make vague statements too.
>>525776753>Creation itself is evidenceNo it fucking isn't. There are literally thousands of creation myths that all have as much evidence for them as christcuckoldry, why do you think that your particular kike deathcult is the one true truth of the entire cosmos and not the others?
>>525776600I am not, I just like to read mythology an philosophy, not only jews, I like to read about all kind of mythology and religion stuff
>>525777025>I already mentioned a paradox previously and you screeched I was wrong and needed no clarification to make said screeching.I thought that was just your way of saying "God providing evidence". Then it suddenly seemed like you meant something else. What exactly do you mean by "God creating paradoxes"? Why do I need to demonstrate God can do something when it's the Christians who believe he can do anything?
>>525777025>I have only called ((((you)))) a jew because your behavior is that of a jewYou are a kike worshipper who keeps running away from the offer to actually proves god exists. You are a coward and a loser who worships kikes.
>>525777179I didn't say it proves the Christian God. I said God is proven by the possibility of the contrary. God being the source intelligent creator.
>>525777092> People hear “no free will” and they jump straight to nihilism or cruelty arguments.I’ll take it further. We are slaves and possessions of God and our purpose is to give our entire lives in pursuit of His glory. Time is running out, just say it like it is and who cares what they think.
>>525775093>But the growth is very plainly tied to technology and exploration, it's not supernatural. Then why isn’t the whole world worshipping Zeus when Rome clearly had the most advanced technology and exploration during the height of its empire? How did Christianity overtake the most powerful empire on earth without a standing army while being killed and persecuted at the same time? God has always uses the weakest and smallest to showcase His might and power to the nations. Not by our power but by God alone.
>>525777330Impossibility* of the contrary
>>525775093In the Book of Acts, the Sanhedrin, the Jewish high council, faced a crisis when the apostles of Jesus were brought before them for preaching in Jesus' name, defying a previous order to stop. The council was furious and wanted to execute the apostles, but a respected Pharisee and teacher of the law named Gamaliel intervened with a strategic and cautious argument. He advised the council to refrain from harming the apostles, stating that if their movement was merely human in origin, it would eventually fail on its own. He supported this claim by referencing two previous rebellions: that of Theudas, who gathered about 400 followers before being killed and his movement collapsing , and that of Judas the Galilean, who led a revolt during a census and was also killed, with his followers dispersed. We also see parallels here with the juxtaposition of the failure of the Bar Kokhba revolt.Gamaliel concluded that if the apostles' work was of human origin, it would come to nothing, but if it was from God, no human effort could overthrow it. He warned the council that if they tried to stop it, they might find themselves fighting against God. This reasoning, grounded in historical precedent and a belief in divine sovereignty, led the Sanhedrin to accept his advice. They had the apostles flogged and ordered them not to speak in Jesus' name, but then released them. The argument reflects a principle now known as "Gamaliel's principle," which suggests that movements should be allowed to develop and be judged by their outcomes, especially when their divine origin is uncertain. The passage underscores the belief that God's purposes cannot be thwarted by human opposition.
>>525777044>>>525777044The Bible contains many verses claiming God is omnipotent and desires to save everyone. So if the Bible is also claiming that "only few people will find salvation", that is a problem. Obviously God could help everyone find salvation and would do so.
>>525777179> There are literally thousands of creation myths that all have as much evidence for them as christcuckoldryThis isn’t even remotely true. Firstly there aren’t thousands of creation myths. Maybe a few hundred. Secondly, the Bible has the most reliable source documents out of pretty much any document in the world and a multitude of archeological discoveries to back it up. So much so that scientists now consider Jesus to be a real person, they just don’t agree that He is God.
>>525767442OP:>poops on the floor>screeches like a cuck>thinks he woncan't make this shit up.
>>525767442>If God existed, then [arbitrary criteria]
>>525775093Christianity, additionally has the largest recorded number of martyrs historically and in modern times. According to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity (CSGC) at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, more than 70 million Christians have been martyred over the last two millennia, with over half of those deaths occurring in the 20th century under fascist and communist regimes. The CSGC estimates that approximately 900,000 Christians were killed in martyrdom situations between 2011 and 2020, averaging about 90,000 per year. This figure includes deaths from civil wars, genocides, and conflicts, with a significant proportion occurring in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. While other religions also have traditions of martyrdom, the scale and systematic documentation of Christian martyrdom are unparalleled. You have the New Testament over 2,000 years ago describe Satan as the “prince of the this world” who seeks the destruction of God’s subjects and that they will be killed for their beliefs. And then it just so happens that Christians are the most killed and persecuted religion on earth for the next 2000 years, the means being different but the ends always the same. At what point do you accept that there may be something more to Jesus Christ given the evidence?
>>525776269>If you’ve been doing meditation/prayer honestly for 20+ years and you’re still at “nothing”,In terms of knowledge generally? I'm not at nothing. I just haven't been given any proof that yahweh or jesus is omnipotent. There are many people who claim that such a proof exists (whether "internal" as you claim or "external" as others claim). I'm always interested when someone claims this, because I'd like to hear such a thing because obviously I want to have correct knowledge about an omnipotent being particularly with regards to any commands such a being has made.However you seem to be suggesting that you have received an internal proof but there is no way for you to communicate that proof to me or otherwise bring to any such knowledge.
>>525777125Anything to do with evil somehow being good. "It's okay for God to send the Jews to genocide the Midianites and capture the little girls as sex slaves because...."Nope. Automatically evil.
>>525777331yes, I agree
>>525775093>Even if Christianity were 70% of the population, if there's some obvious human mechanism behind it then it's not evidence of divine origin.Now you are moving the goal posts. I just refuted your central point and now you are claiming it doesn’t matter anymore. Lying to others is sinful but woe to those who lie to themselves.
>>525767442>>525777461Denouce the Talmud.
>>525776633>It is self evident that if x exists, then evidence of x also existsWhy are you moving the goal post?You originally said:>It follows from the existence of x that there would be evidence of the existence of x.Which is laughably wrong. If some loser drew boobies on a cave wall 5,000 years ago and it existed, it is obviously not true that it "follows" there is existence of those wall boobies. All evidence is probably long goneAnd that's just scratching the surface of your stupid claim.
>>525777461>The Bible contains many verses claiming God is omnipotent and desires to save everyoneIt also says he desires us to love him. And for love to exist free will needs to exist. With free will, human beings can choose evil - - and most of the time do because temptation is very... Tempting.
>>525777092>And yeah, I avoided saying it like this at first because it’s a minefield in normal conversation. People hear “no free will” and they jump straight to nihilism or cruelty arguments.I understand that, and assumed that was the mental model of free will you were describing. However, what's wrong with jumping straight to nihilism or cruelty arguments? The only response is going to be something deeply unsatisfying that talks about God being beyond our comprehension. As cliche as it sounds it's hard to reconcile some of the cruel and unjust things in the world that God effectively "permits" (on the basis that God is omnipotent and could do anything at any given moment, right?) when ultimately God is operating from a plane of existence where God knows everything that has ever happened and will happen.
>>525777335>Then why isn’t the whole world worshipping Zeus when Rome clearly had the most advanced technology and exploration during the height of its empire?They were.>How did Christianity overtake the most powerful empire on earth without a standing army while being killed and persecuted at the same time?The same way every other religion did.Christianity spread through 100% human means with no divine intervention and this is a documented fact of history.
>>525777461> So if the Bible is also claiming that "only few people will find salvation", that is a problem. Obviously God could help everyone find salvation and would do so.God IS Wrath. Highly foolish of you to assume that you aren’t a vessel of wrath yourself. While God is Love, in the completeness of who He is He will pour out his wrath on the unbelievers. You’re making a deadly mistake of assuming God doesn’t have beef. He does. His name is JEALOUS and He wages war upon His enemies with mighty precision and fearful claps of thunder and lightning. Stop playing games with God!
>>525767442>If this God existed, then we would obviously be seeing very powerful evidence in the world of a supernatural force guiding people to ChristianityActualy, Christianity spreading it's a miracle on itself.Imagine people converting to a religion about a guy that died on a cross X years ago, and that he was the living God an ressurected.This stuff is very out there if you think about it, and it got the most prideful people on earth converting into it (first the romans, than our beloved germans).
>>525777468>Secondly, the Bible has the most reliable source documents out of pretty much any document in the world and a multitude of archeological discoveries to back it upIt incorporated real historical events into it, but that doesn't make the magic jewish skydaddy bullshit in it true. Mohamed was also very likely a real person, does that mean that Pissbomb is real also?And as stated previously ITT, the creation story of genesis has been disproven by evolution/natural sciences for centuries at this point.
>>525777434But that's stupid, since false man-made religions obviously do succeed and grow.
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>>525777647I denounce the Talmud and think kikes deserve suffering and death.Now denounce your jewish god that you worship.
>>525777948I didn’t say it proves it’s true I actually specifically said scientists don’t believe He is God. But it certainly is not true that there’s no evidence and more evidence for some other random “1000s of creation myths” that was pulled from the rear end and presented as fact.
>>525777555Yep, that is evil. Where does evil start? Is evil inside the little baby who was captured and destroyed? The capturer? The world? The religion? The motivation to capture and violate? Passivity? There's many biblical concepts about destroying evil permanently, eradicating it from this earth. That's why Christianity wins. It's really about conquering internal evil and becoming righteous and just and good. It's laws that apply to both men and women, and any race of people on the earth. The Bible does not justify or apologize or excuse sin, it's about first confronting the sin within yourself and then treating others as you would be treated.
>>525777813>They were.Redditspacer doesn't know world history, more at 11.
>>525777500Christians have also perpetrated the most persecution in the world, and have engaged in the highest level of military conquest and forced conversion.
>>525777892>Actualy, Christianity spreading it's a miracle on itself.Same could be said about Islam, Buddhism, or any of the other major religions. Lies and bullshit spread around all the time, something being widely believed doesn't make it true.
>>525777285>Why do I need to demonstrate God can do something Because your argument relies on God making a paradox. I directly said all that in my first line here >>525772728 and explicitly pointed out the paradox, referring to it as "this"I guess you just can't read. Which is not surprising given how easily you become confused, make up nonsense, and rely on non sequiturs you can't defend. >it's the Christians who believe he can do anything?Christians don't believe thatThe Bible verbatim says it's impossible for God to tell a lieDo you ever have the slightest clue what you are talking about?>noThis is laughable. You need to give up. Most atheists on /pol/ eventually just reveal they're trolling idiots but you're still taking this seriously. It's not going well for you. You're wrong constantly and then you embarrass yourself by admitting you were just confused and/or didn't read obvious text.
>>525767442Muslims are going hysterical because Christianity is going to be the biggest religion in Iran soon
>>525777335>How did Christianity overtake the most powerful empire on earth without a standing army while being killed and persecuted at the same time?This is explained in *Geneaology of Morals* by Nietzsche: slave revolt in morality is the general concept. But the dictum that briefly explains it, paraphrased: "the healthy do not threaten the healthy, rather it is the sick that threaten the healthy." The ugliest parasite can destroy the noblest beast.
>>525778021God isn't Jewish and I didn't ask you, troon.
>>525767442This is a low-tier thread, you guys are better off posting elsewhere.or it's probably just homosex op and his butt buddies bumping this dumb thread.
>>525777962How long have you been alive for? 20 years? 30? Does that seem like a long time for you? These religions you speak of, when were they created and what have they endured? What miracles are associated with their history? What things make them compelling? Christianity is 2000 years old and Abraham existed 2900 years ago. Now stop and think about if what you’re saying makes any sense when you’re comparing some phoney, made up religions with the Truth that has endured nearly all of known human history.
>>525776852On day you retards will invent a meme that actually lands and does some damage. Until then, you'll keep throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks, because you genuinely don't understand enough of the truth to make a scathing and succinct commentary on it.
>>525778106>Redditspacer He doesn't even know /pol/ uses poster IDsObvious tourist
>>525777590No, that was never my goalpost, and you didn't refute my central claim. My claim is that we should see evidence of God carrying out an agenda in the world, not that we should see large numbers of Christians. We see neither.
>>525767442your initial premise is flawed, so is the rest of your argument but I’ll just stop you right at the beginningGod is not funneling anyone to believe anything, one of the core observable beliefs God has is to allow man to have free willGod never goes against allowing man to choose their fate, he will only punish those who chose to defy him or bring forth unholy demonseven Judas was allowed by Jesus to report to the RomansJesus could have intervened, but he allowed Judas to choose and exert his free willSo yeah, debunked, funneltard
>>525778128Buddhism is just some feels good bullshit made for 30 year old wywoman.Islam is attached to Christianity and Judaism if you didn't notice, and their relevancy in the world should be an indication of the truth of the bible.
>>525778128Islam and Buddhism are both associated with nation states and have laws regulating their adherents which are enforced with strict penalties. They are not miraculous movements, they are the work of war lords and dictators and charlatans. Go to Bali and talk crap about Buddah. Go to Iraq and talk crap about Muhammad. You will be imprisoned or worse. Go anywhere and talk crap about Jesus and you’ll have an audience.
>>525778273>invent a memeLol, they didn't even invent it, they took pic related and cropped out the second part, but couldn't even be assed to make it look good.The.Left.Can't.Meme.
>>525777663>it "follows" there is existence*evidence not existence
>>525777663If someone drew boobies on the cave wall, it is the kind of evidence we would expect to see for that artist existing.
The Jews convinced a bunch of people they knew God but Jews were from Crete. And what you don’t know is that divine light from which all EVERYTHING derives is the true God. When you die you will return to the source where you came from and the rest is a bunch of bullshit
>>525777512I understand you. I get what you’re asking for. I want to understand how you feel here, because I think you’re looking for reasons? You’re looking for something almost inert, like a mathematical formula. Something you can grab and say: “this proves Yahweh or Jesus is omnipotent,” especially because you care about correct knowledge if an omnipotent being has commands. Thats good.But I’m more on the sentimental side. It is something that comes from the heart, deeper. And honestly, I don’t think it can be externalized in a way that transfers certainty. If someone claims they can package it and hand it to you cleanly, I don’t trust that. Most of the time it’s control, money, ego, whatever, and it turns into manipulation.You can read people like Saint Teresa of Ávila or Saint John of the Cross. From the outside, this whole thing sounds dumb or evasive. Even objectivism would attack it hard, because it doesn’t behave like “objective proof.”But inside the subjectivity, it doesn’t feel like “just my opinion” either. It feels fixed and real. And that’s the problem: I don’t have words that can move that exactness from me into you. Maybe it’s my lack of language, maybe I just can’t translate it, I don’t know. A lot of people who have this can’t explain it well and they sound stupid. And the people who explain it too well, I usually don’t believe they actually lived it.So no, I don’t have tips. It’s too private, too internal. It depends on each person: what they lived, how they see the world, how they react when things go wrong or go right for themselves or for others. Why did it arrive in me at this age? Maybe because of things I lived. I don’t know. I’d like to help you with something that actually lands, but I can’t.
>>525778326Non-sequitur ESL trying to damage control.Very sad.
>>525777744Free will has nothing to do with this. God can reveal himself and we can still choose to disobey him just like Adam and Eve.
>>5257674421. Biblical cosmology & cosmogeny contain many wrong assumptions common to cosmologies of Levantine cultures in that era (such as Egypt & Babylon) & Yahweh leaving errors in scripture that would later turn away critical thinkers makes him culpable if he damns them for nonbelief. Explaining away issues like events being out of order (Earth before stars, birds before land animals) as metaphor doesn’t explain why the metaphor wouldn’t have worked just as well (or better) with an accurate order of events.2.Early Christianity, when it was only Yeshua & 12 followers, was structurally a cult as we identify them today. This is the unlisted 4th answer to Lewis’ “liar, lunatic or lord” trichotomy.3.Christianity contains a hidden viral formula, with a reward for belief, a punishment for disbelief, (both unfalsifiable as they occur after death) an ambiguous time limit to drive urgency in evangelism, & an invisible trickster who sows doubt, to pre-emptively bias believers against contrary evidence. The intended effect on believers is to make them afraid to doubt, & eager to convert others. (Easy In / Hard Out)4.Lack of independent contemporaneous corroboration of the resurrection or any other miracles (or even corroboration within the NT itself for the shattered tombs & appearance of risen saints in town, noticed only by Matthew). Paul’s 500 are never named, nor does he record any of their testimonies. Scholars name-dropped by apologists like Josephus, Tacitus, Cephas & Pliny the Elder weren’t actually contemporaries of Yeshua & didn’t attest to his miracles, only his existence & what his followers believed. They were, in all cases, harsh critics of Christianity.
>>525777829Okay then God is wrath. That's a good resolution to this problem. I've been saying for years that the Christian god is malevolent.
>>5257785875.Yeshua himself, and Paul, repeatedly set unambiguous upper bounds on how long it would take for parousia to arrive. Christians cling to “no one knows the day or the hour” (i.e. not with precision) but ignore verses like Matthew 16:28 or say it refers to the destruction of the temple/transfiguration (refuted by the verse immediately preceding it, which describe events that didn’t happen at the transfiguration or temple destruction). Paul writes letters to the Corinthians, reassuring them parousia will still happen in their lifetimes, not to marry or plan for tomorrow, etc. Eisegetical rationales exist for “this generation shall not pass away” but again, that’s only one verse. Dozens more, taken together, point in the other direction. Deuteronomy 18:22 previously warned Jews not to believe in prophets whose predictions fail.6.Besides how it conflicts with the Genesis creation story, evolution is also incompatible with core Christian doctrines. The crucifixion is said to have atoned for original sin all inherited from Adam. This requires that all of humanity descends from a single couple (& thus at least a partially literal Genesis reading) otherwise not everyone inherited original sin. Genesis genealogy traces from real historical figures back to Adam without indicating where it “becomes metaphorical”. 7.The Problem of Interaction precludes immaterial souls, or at least defeats Non-Overlapping Magisteria as a defense against requests for evidence of dualism.8. Yeshua does not satisfy most of the messianic criteria found in the Torah except by huge eisegetical reaches akin to the ones Muslims make in asserting the “coming comforter” in the book of John is a reference to Muhammad. Treating prophecies as fulfilled because you take for granted that they will be following parousia, is prophetic perfect tense sleight of hand.
>>5257786559. People die for things they’re wrong about all the time. 11 Mormons died rather than recant during the Mormon Extermination Order of 1838. Taru Singh, Mani Singh, and Mati Dass are examples of Sikh devotees who suffered torture rather than recant. It’s also not specified in most commonly cited scriptural examples of martyrdom that the victims were asked to recant first, just that they were tortured / killed.10.Christianity, among the currently popular religions, has the most prolific history of faith promoting hoaxes. If Christians throughout history were willing to lie in an attempt to shore up belief & convince potential converts, why would this not also be true of the apostles? What prevents it from being a multi-century snowball of hoaxes upon hoaxes?
>>525778166Cia and mossad went at it with god is real and here's your proof
>>525778078If you worship the god of the Bible, you are evil.
>>525778106Rome enforced the Roman religion upon the Roman world.
>>525778757Noticed you haven't denounced the Talmud yet.
>>525769277>It's axiomatic.What created math?https://naclhv.com/2014/03/the-axioms-of-science-as-evidence-for/
>>525777512You want a tip? Ask God. It’s that simple. I don’t worship a God that is inaccessible or hard to reach. I don’t worship a God that doesn’t come through or fails to show up. I don’t worship a God that can’t give you any answers and doesn’t care about what you seek. I worship the God that waits outside your window, peering lovingly at the son who hasn’t met Him yet, longing for the day that you would walk beside your creator in Honour and Glory and Power. He says to test him in this one thing. Test him in his faithfulness. > Test Me now in this … if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows” (Malachi 3:10).God wants something from you. He wants your faith.
>>525778757Does it bother you that I have prayed, sang songs of worship, repented, confessed my sins to my peers, and speak openly about Christianity and my perspective, faith and upbringing?
>>525778587>4.Lack of independent contemporaneous corroboration of the resurrection or any other miracles (or even corroboration within the NT itself for the shattered tombs & appearance of risen saints in town, noticed only by Matthew). Paul’s 500 are never named, nor does he record any of their testimonies. Scholars name-dropped by apologists like Josephus, Tacitus, Cephas & Pliny the Elder weren’t actually contemporaries of Yeshua & didn’t attest to his miracles, only his existence & what his followers believed. They were, in all cases, harsh critics of Christianity.Disingenous of you to want a witeness account from a 1 century event.Why don't you ask for eye witness accounts, their names, ID from the battle of Teutoburg Forest?
>>525778162>Because your argument relies on God making a paradox.No it doesn't.>Christians don't believe thatThe Bible verbatim says it's impossible for God to tell a lieThat's the only exception, not relevant to nearly any conversation.>Most atheists on /pol/ eventually just reveal they're trolling idiotsI'm not an atheist.
>>525778797It did not you stupid faggot. Rome only persecuted the mystic religions at the time, it let its citizens worship whatever pantheon was local to them otherwise.You stupid faggot Redditniggers really think dickriding "muh Rome" will make whatever bullshit you say palpable, don't you?
>>525778853>What created math?Autistic polymaths from each 12 tribes created maths we have today
>>525768380Demanding and receiving evidence is a fundamental part of your religion, though.Thomas the Apostle doubted Jesus' resurrection until shown proof, this by your argument eliminates faith.Jesus claimed the reason that people were born disabled was to be healed.> John 9:3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.But the works of God aren't displayed in them. Babies with cancer just suffer and die. It's exceedingly cruel, needless, and frankly evil.
>tldr i hate christ and god and white bunnieskys turdie scum.
>>525778642God’s wrath upholds his justice and love. He is not one dimensional. But do not underestimate His dimensions, for they are eternal and more vast than all the oceans of the earth in the depth of how He will express them. He chooses to be a loving God when we deserve his wrath. But that will not last forever. One day, we will be a part of his wrath if we do not share in His love. He cannot tolerate evil.
>>525778244>These religions you speak of, when were they created Which ones? Some were created over ten thousand years ago. Some were created yesterday.>What miracles are associated with their history?All kinds of stuff. Go read mythology.>What things make them compelling?I don't know, I don't believe in any of them. Probably bullshit, just like what makes your religion compelling.>Truth that has endured nearly all of known human history.Christianity has existed for about 5% of human history.
1. Man was made in god's image2. God demands all Jews cut the tip of their penis3. God is a Jew4. God's penis is circumcised
>>525778587Excellent, this is why I made this thread, to find better arguments than mine. Thanks.
>>525779192>I'm not an atheist!>Decribing just one other religion? Uhm... Nah dog!Redditspacing anti-Christian poster is a liar. More news at 11.
>>525778965>12 tribes created mathsMath existed before anything else. And will once all of this is gone. Try again. Try harder. Your cope is starting to stink.
>>525777749It’s “wrong” because it pushes people toward inaction, or toward the “anything goes” mindset, and anything goes is false. Not everything is subjective, not everything is “whatever I want,” not everything is according to my will. There is an objective good and an objective evil. So I understand why people jump to nihilism.I’m not pretending I never went there. Even today I still have moments like that. It’s inevitable. But I don’t accept it as truth. It’s just the mind trying to quit.Who put the serpent in the garden? God. Evil is part of creation. So you have to understand the role of Satan in Jewish mythology: Satan is not God’s enemy, he’s like a worker of God. He works for God. More like a coach who puts tests and uncomfortable situations in front of you to see what you do. Do you choose the easy path, which is complaining and giving up, or do you stay firm in your faith. I don’t like the word faith, but inside that mythology that’s what it is.If you go nihilist, nothing changes. You lose responsibility. You lose the steering wheel. For me nihilism is the same trick as people who hide behind astrology, tarot, any of that. They go to a fortune-teller so they don’t have to take responsibility. Nihilism does the same thing: it’s a way to avoid responsibility for what you can do.
>>525778696> . People die for things they’re wrong about all the time. 11 Mormons died rather than recant...Foolish pride is not evidence of conviction. Yes people are willing to die for a cause but not on the scale and scope of Christianity. 11 of the 12 apostles were brutally tortured and murdered. Jesus was murdered. Persecutions went on for decades if not centuries. Noble women gave up their riches to die in the coliseum. >10.Christianity, among the currently popular religions, has the most prolific history of faith promoting hoaxes. Aside from this being an egregious lie, it's irrelevant. Christians themselves reject hoaxes and they form no part of our beliefs.
>>525778905>Disingenous of you to want a witeness account from a 1 century event.This is a problem for apologists, not for skeptics. The rising of saints from their shattered tombs is a good example, because even among NT authors, only Matthew noticed. Jerusalem was populous, there would've been plenty of literate scribes, scholars & historians. I do in fact think at least a few would've considered a zombie apocalypse sufficiently historic to write something down
>>525778508>You’re looking for something almost inert, like a mathematical formula. Something you can grab and saNo, I'll accept anything of any form if it's irrefutable or otherwise reliable and unrefuted. It doesn't have to be inert, nor like a mathematical formula, nor something I can grab, even metaphorically. I'll accept anything that causes me to know, whether it is a demonstration or otherwise.
I just want to know, if God is all-loving and merciful and good, why he made me go bald in my early 20s. That's it. One good answer that makes it make sense is all I want, and I'll start going to church the next day. >inb4 it's a testHe gave me a test he knew I would fail.
>>525767442How do you explain native americans having prophecy about Quetzalcoatl? No it isnt christian per se. But the Catholic Church is Satan. Jesus is real. Because belief in jesus throws a wrench in Jewish World supremacy.
>>525778839I've never read the Talmud. But fuck Jews, or whatever.
>>525778853Definitely not a Jewish volcano monster or a carpenter.
>>525779192> Which ones? Some were created over ten thousand years ago. Some were created yesterday.I'm not replying to everything, since it's nonsensical. But this will do. You're the one making a claim that there are tons of religions being made all the time that grow through human effort. Give me a few examples that are not the obvious mainstream beliefs that do not predate Christianity or ones from historical revisionist propaganda placing the age of India at 300 billion years old.
>>525779455>Yes people are willing to die for a cause but not on the scale and scope of Christianity. 11 of the 12 apostles were brutally tortured and murdered.So, the same number as the Mormons killed during Executive Order 44.>"Jesus was murdered."So was Joseph Smith. So was David Koresh>"Persecutions went on for decades if not centuries."None of whom witnessed miracles>>525779455>"Aside from this being an egregious lie, it's irrelevant. Christians themselves reject hoaxes and they form no part of our beliefs."It isn't a lie, it's relevant because if calls into question the reliability of the apostles, and Christians uncritically pass along faith promoting hoaxes all the time. The resurrection for instance.
>>525779465They did, it's called the New Testament.Pharisees and scribes wouldn't write about Jesus ressurecting, and he spent his ressurected days among his mostly iliterate followers
>>525779610Because you have a nice head. Anyway, God didn’t make you go bald. Try not to look on the bad side of things. Hair is pretty gay looking if I’m being honest.
>>525778962Rome demanded allegiance to Roman gods that superceded local deities. People could recognize any gods they wanted as long as the state religion was given primacy.
>>525779610Baldness is caused by genetics, which are determined partially from birth, partially from the environment and partially from your choices. There are medicines and practices you can do to make your hair grow back. Baldness can be caused by fungus, by stress, by not brushing your hair or scratching your scalp, tons of causes. God didn't take your hair away. Perhaps you feel like it happened because you did something wrong.
>>525779642>>525779693>JEWsus JEWsus JEWsus>No, I will not denounce the Talmud.
>>525778587>>525778655>>525778696That is curious isn't it
>>525778886>I don’t worship a God that is inaccessible or hard to reach. I don’t worship a God that doesn’t come through or fails to show up. I don’t worship a God that can’t give you any answers and doesn’t care about what you seek.How do you know this? It seems completely possible that an omnipotent being could make himself hard to reach or doesn't care about what I seek.
>>525779346There have been literally hundreds of thousands of religions throughout history, and several dozen or possibly hundreds of those were just as large and powerful and long-lived as the Christian church.
>>525779864It's really hard for me to stay loving and merciful sometimes when I think about Jews
>>525779693>Definitely not a Jewish volcano monster or a carpenter.Leave your parents out of this and answer the fucking question.
>>525779346>NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO CRITICIZE EVERYONE ELSE TOO OR IT'S NOT FAIR AND I DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN
>>525779824>People could recognize any gods they wanted as long as the state religion was given primacy.In other words, they could believe whatever gods they wanted, even if their beliefs placed their gods higher than the Romans in cosmology.Also, explain how Hinduism was allowed to exist in the world if Rome made "the whole world" worship the Roman pantheon. Surely your ESL friends are familiar enough with it that you can explain it to the rest of us.
>>525779698How about every single religion that existed before 2000 years ago? Ever hear of some guy's named "Zeus" or "Horus"?You're asking me such a stupid question that I don't think I'm hearing it right.
>>525779798>They did, it's called the New Testament....Within which, only Matthew mentions the rising of saints from their shattered tombs>"Pharisees and scribes wouldn't write about Jesus ressurecting, and he spent his ressurected days among his mostly iliterate followers"Even scripture acknowledges a different version of events going around at that time, in Matthew 28:1-15. Everyone but Christians concluded based on a guard's report that the apostles stole the body.Then, there's all the other issues you don't address, presumably meaning you concede them
>>525778459>If someone drew boobies on the cave wall, it is the kind of evidence we would expect to see for that artist existing.How are you this dense?That has nothing to do with what I said. I said it doesn't follow that the evidence exists from the fact the art did exist, which once again refutes your idiotic claim . The artist has nothing to do with that. I'm done holding back insults. You're an embarrassment and you need to go back to r eddit>>525778914>>Because your argument relies on God making a paradox.>No it doesn't.I proved it does. Your only "refutation" was openly admitting that you were too dumb to read and got confused. >That's the only exception, not relevant to nearly any conversation.BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!Your cope is truly insaneIt is 100% relevant to this conversation because now your definition of "omnipotence" is no longer valid and the first sentence in your OP uses that word to define God (as defined by Christians):>The core Christian claim is that there's an omnipotent Everything in OP you say after this is invalid because you defined "omnipotent" different than Christians do and you tried to use the Christian definition of God to show he can't exist. Absolute fail. Thanks for proving you're too stupid to know major facts about the definition of God and use that definition to deny him... thus you deny him significantly due to your own ignorance. Classic>I'm not an atheist.ROFL sureWhat God do you believe in then?
>>525779727> So, the same number as the Mormons killed during Executive Order 44.Nobody here is claiming that no one else has ever died for a cause. I’m only giving you the most basic examples of Christian persecution. I think you’ve missed a glaring point that these are the foundational people of the religion that were tortured and killed, yet still carried on anyway. These weren’t people caught up in some crap thousands of years later, and their faith still spread the entire globe despite them never living to see anything more than Roman persecution. In some of their eyes, they failed. They only realised at the end that it was written to be this way and God would always win. I’m not trying to make light of any other people’s misfortune but I also don’t have time to sit here and go through thousands of years of persecution with you up until the present day. Consider that perhaps your example is really small fried compared to the history of Christianity and that it’s kind of silly to make the comparison you are making. I’m not responding to the other stuff. You’re starting to waste my time now a little bit but it’s ok. I see you getting into a childish argument space now, but you do you.
>>525779864Okay, I denounce the Talmud. What's my prize?
>>525779955Name one>some bullshit cult from 2 thousand years agoNowhere near as impacting and important as Christianity.
>>525780050Rome didn't rule the whole world.
>>525779891Because -I- know Him. And He came to me. This is not something that’s impossible for you to experience. Without going into too much detail, you can quite literally start talking to your Creator right now.
>>525780134>Nobody here is claiming that no one else has ever died for a cause.They frequently do, hence why I wrote that answer.>"I’m only giving you the most basic examples of Christian persecution. I think you’ve missed a glaring point that these are the foundational people of the religion that were tortured and killed, yet still carried on anyway."Many claimed as martyrs did not obviously die because of their beliefs; James (the son of Zebedee) is reported to have been killed, but there's absolutely nothing about him choosing to die rather than recant. He's not testifying through his death, he's just dying. Here's the entire text about it:About that time King Herod laid violent hands upon some who belonged to the church. He had James, the brother of John, killed with the sword. [Acts 12:1-2]Peter's death is mentioned obliquely, but there's no mention of it having anything to do with his testimony, or that he chooses death rather than recanting. Here's the passage:"But when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will fasten a belt around you and take you where you do not wish to go." (He said this to indicate the kind of death by which he would glorify God.) [John 21b:18-19a]Stephen is often brought up, but wasn't one of the Twelve. Not only that, Stephen is not described as having seen Jesus in the flesh (either before or after the resurrection), nor does he testify to the resurrection at all.
>>525779885It's also shit. Argument (2) is literally just "we an call it a cult," (3) relies entirely on the generalization that any behavior reinforcement is disingenuous or wrong, (10) has reverse causality...The list has maybe one or two good points, but rarely anyone wants to deal with that massive wall of text.
>>525780090So basically you’re giving me two examples. Not a good showing. Neither of which have anything in comparison to the fervent worship of Christ for over 2000 years and thousands of years of OT history before that. Instead you present to me the rags of a dead civilisation and gods that were made of stone.
>>525780029>Everyone elseYour faggot OP couldn't even list ONE. We know what you fags are.
>>525779089>Jesus claimed the reason that people were born disabled was to be healed.No he didn't. He just said it was the reason of that individual man's disabled status in that verse. Never seen your meme before but it's retarded. It's not a guarantee those who never hear the gospel go to heaven, not even close.
>>525779864>>525780159I'll call ahead of time he won't say shit. >DENOUNCE TALMUDis just pil-pul. They don't say it because they think it's actually a magic spell to snuff out Jews like they pretend to think it is, it's just one low-grade rhetorical gotcha that they hope you won't jump. When you do jump it, they just pivot to the next tactic.I have never once denounced the Talmud - as I have done many times and still do, along with the Tanakh, the Torah, and any/all other Jewish writings - and had a Christian come back with something like >Oh my bad, I guess now we know you're not a Jew, sorry bro.Honestly I think they just say it so they can feel some minor amount of control over the debate;>At least I got him to do that.
>>525780222Then>>525777813>They were....Was a lie.
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>>525780133>The artist has nothing to do with that.The argument I'm making is that we should see art if the artist existed.>I proved it does. Your only "refutation" was openly admitting that you were too dumb to read and got confused.What was the "proof"? I'm still confused. Could you just summarize this whole "paradox" business in one paragraph so we can move on from it?>It is 100% relevant to this conversation because now your definition of "omnipotence" is no longer validSo are you claiming that there are even more things that God cannot do?>What God do you believe in then?Something like a consciousness that generates the material world.
>>525780307> They frequently do, hence why I wrote that answer.Again with all due respect, you’re losing grip on your respect for this conversation and it’s coming across as immaturity. I’ve told you twice and now THRICE that I’ve never claimed nobody else has ever died for their beliefs and I even specifically wrote it down in both of my previous statements. Come on now. Don’t do this stupid thing where you argue with me for the sake of it. I don’t have the time or energy for that right now and I’ll just ignore your posts. I wanted to keep this respectful but it’s quite disrespectful to put words in my mouth several times despite repeated and unnecessary clarification.
>>525780383Every other religion also being wrong doesn't make Christianity right and whining that you're being attacked doesn't debunk arguments. If Christianity is right it should be able to defend itself without pointing to other religions. This is just a tactic.
>>525780452>I have never once denounced the TalmudThat's expected.
>>525780167HinduismAncient Greek religionAncient Egyptian religionAncient Norse religionAncient African religionsAztec religionAncient North American religionSikhismIslamJainismDruzeMormonsJehovah's Witnesses This could get really boring.
>>525780589I said they, not you. You seem to believe you're someone I admire, whose approval I value. Why? We don't know each other.
>>525767442Nature is set up to extract the most suffering, animals have to tear eachother apart to live, the world is full of parasites, rot and disease. Knowing this, either god is not omnipresent for he couldn't create a better world, or he is not omnibenevolent and chose to create a world with evil and suffering. The bloodthirsty schizo demon who is jealous and demands blood sacrifices in the OT is certainly not god. A god who rules by fear and punishment is not a god, it is a tyrant. The gnostics were right, yahweh is the demiurge. The real god can be found in the logos, in mathematics and geometry, the real god is described in Taoism, it is the source>it sustains and nourishes all things and yet does not lordeth over them The source loves all beings equally, it doesnt choose a tribe of deranged goat herders as its special little chosen ones, it doesnt intimidate or punish. It let's all beings use their free will to experience existence, until they return to the source (pleroma).
>>525780614See this shit? This is the kind of guy who will claim he doesn't worship a Jew while using Jewish debate tactics. Or he's so enraged he's just skimming looking for the next thing to greentext.
>>525780608Christianity has no interest or need to defend itself. While these discussions can be interesting, what you say is absolutely no consequence. Don’t get a big head and start thinking you’re the man who finally defeated 2000 years of faith. You didn’t.
>>525780359Do you not know anything about Greek or Egyptian or Roman or Chinese or Aztec history? There have been countless great civilizations where a specific religious tradition presided over the culture for centuries or even millenniums. And OT history was just some desert goat fucking tribes shanking each other.
>>525780646None of those have any comparison to the history of Christianity not it’s persecution up to this very day. Nobody is in here arguing about Ancient Greeks and Druze Mormon janist Sikhs. They’re only interested in debunking Christianity. Think about that. You also gave me several religions that are explicitly controlled by governing bodies with laws which artificially force their continuance. I asked for examples of religions that do not have ties to a nation state which enforces their respect.
>>525779891There's truth out there its just been obscured.
>>525780454No. They enforced their religion on "their" world. And then they did the same thing with Christianity. And that still wasn't the whole world and it isn't today either.
>>525780241I'm not saying it is impossible. I say the exact opposite. An omnipotent being can cause anything which is logically possible. It is logically possible that he could cause me to know him, so therefore he could indeed cause that. I asked how you know, and your answer was:>Because -I- know Him.Yes, I understand you know him. I'm asking how you know the specific things you claimed about him. Did he tell you that he cares about what I seek, etc.?
>>525780684Why did you feel the need to respond to what “other people” say when I already told you three times now that it was not what I was saying and you were talking to me. Don’t be disrespectful. I am not seeking your admiration at all. I’d prefer that you hate me.
>>525780496>The argument I'm making is that we should see art if the artist existed.I don't care because I wasn't refuting that, idiot. I was refuting your other claim/nonsense>What was the "proof"? I'm still confused. Could you just summarize this whole "paradox" business in one paragraph so we can move on from it?I don't need to repeat myself a 3rd time. I directly pointed out where I defined the paradox you made and all you can do is cry that you're too stupid to readI have won the argument. >>It is 100% relevant to this conversation because now your definition of "omnipotence" is no longer valid>So are you claiming that there are even more things that God cannot do?HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!Look at the rat deflect this hardPathetic loser>>What God do you believe in then?>Something like a consciousness A consciousness is not a god. You are a liar too, naturally.
>>525780913Its literal history
>>525767978> we co-create with GodCreation was sealed on day 7. We’re the stewards of Creation. And just an opinion. The only reason we’re still talking about Jesus Christ is because he came back from the dead and there were witnesses and they spread The Good News… something that incredible would echo through time forever. Another opinion, that light will be snuffed out in our lifetime. New miracles will be needed to bring the people back to The Creator.
>>525780844Keyword: history. You’re shifting the goalposts. We were discussing how Christianity managed to survive and thrive despite thousands of years of persecution to the present day. You’re giving me examples of faded old religions, relegated to history books with barely consequential impacts on most of humanity. For instance, the entire world wasn’t impacted by the Aztecs and their beliefs. And they died out. Christianity lived despite all of its early followers being wiped out and chased off the ends of the earth.
>>525781106Its plain as day
>>525780910>None of those have any comparison to the history of Christianity not it’s persecution up to this very day.That's just your opinion.>Nobody is in here arguing about Ancient Greeks and Druze Mormon janist Sikhs.Because English speakers don't come from those backgrounds. If you're on the English-speaking internet then most religious discussion will obviously revolve around Christianity.>I asked for examples of religions that do not have ties to a nation state which enforces their respect.Christianity was enforced by law for the majority of it's history.
>>525780488Anon, let's look at argument (10) because it's perhaps the most immediately retarded. For brevity, I'll past the parts that matter.>Christianity, (...), has the most prolific history of faith promoting hoaxesWhy would a scammer looking t exploit the religious not claim to be the most prominent religion in the region they're scamming? You're not actually arguing about the religion's validity, you're pointing out the consequence of there being a prominent religion. To put it another way, you're doing the same thing as saying that, because eBay has scammers, that online commerce is bad.The second part is even worse...>If Christians throughout history were willing to lie in an attempt to shore up belief...Because you can also apply this logic to any singular group of people that have had hoaxes within it. Science must be bad because of how many hoaxes are within it by that logic, but it isn't!It also fails to actually make an argument that's definitive. It relies on a vague "could" in order to cop-out of making an unsubstantiated statement that would immediately show itself as retarded.Most of your points are like that. Terrible at their core wrapped in verbosity that make them appear substantiated to midwits, ironically a turn-off to the free thinkers" you want to claim.
>>525780982Yes, He told me. God wants you to know that He knows what you are looking for, but He has something better than what you imagine. He has been waiting for some time. Don’t delay, pick up a Bible and read His Word. Then do your own praying and be still and know that He is God.
>>525767442instead theres a force pushing every idiot towards islam, jesus will come back before everyone becomes muslim allah is demen
JESUS IS KING
>>525781256Go find me just a few examples of these vehement online debates opposed to “ancient African religions”.
>>525780608OP couldn't even name one religion or describe it despite "not being an atheist."What is it with you ESLs and not actually addressing arguments in front of you?
>>525781096>I don't care because I wasn't refuting that, idiot. I was refuting your other claim/nonsenseYou didn't structure your analogy correctly to correspond to my claim.> I directly pointed out where I defined the paradox you made and all you can do is cry that you're too stupid to readYou defined what a paradox is (I already knew the definition), but you haven't explained why you think God needs to create paradoxes, what this has to do with any argument I'm making, or how you've "proven" any of this. You're very hard to follow.>Look at the rat deflect this hardIt seemed like a really big deal to you that my conception of God's omnipotence was flawed. So I really want to know, are there even more things God can't do? >A consciousness is not a god.Why now?
>>525780707>t. Kvetching that he was caught
>>525781404>Don’t delay, pick up a Bible and read His WordYeah, I've done that.>Then do your own praying and be stillAnd that.>know that He is GodI'm not sure what you mean. If you mean "know that he is omnipotent", then yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to figure out: how people like you know that so that I may know as well.
>>525781222So far.
>>525781245
I've concluded OP is an newfangled LLM anti-Christ chatbotIt has:-Not correctly greentexted 2 lines simultaneously a single time. Only the first line is greentexted then the rest is copypasted. It does this every single time. I have never seen such a specific formatting mistake in any human in 12+ years on /pol/-It has displayed 100% perfect reddit spacing in every single post. -It cannot keep track of IDs or references to prior posts, it only registers the very last post. When it gets confused about past posts it says describe it again. It doesn't ask where it was originally saidEtc etc etcOP is a bot.
>>525780950>then they did the same thing with ChristianityEvidently not, but please try to backpedal harder.
>>525781564Why don't you go find them?
>>525781632I'm gonna break the bot...>You didn't structure your analogy correctly to correspond to my claim.I did. Go back and check. >but you haven't explained why you think God needs to create paradoxesI dont you do. I pointed out where you required this multiple times. Go back and check>You're very hard to followI'm easy for humans to follow>>A consciousness is not a god.>Why now?A human would defend his claim not deflect with a questionGo back and check
>>525781256>Because English speakers don't come from those backgroundsSubtle admission that OP doesn't actually care about what he's arguing for and just wants to subvert the West...
>>525767442Christianity is obvious jewish hogwash. Some dead jew is the lord of everything? Yeah right.
>>525781767It's because the person I'm copying in those green texts spaces their text in a way that causes it to format incorrectly when it's pasted in a green text and I'm too lazy to figure out how to fix that.
>>525781783OP is a bot, that is why it cannot keep track of anything and makes up stuff as it goes. see >>525781767
>>525781783Yes they did. Christianity was enforced by the governments of Rome and then eventually the later European Kingdoms for centuries.
I didn't read any of this shit, but it sounds like big news. You have to post this to /r/ atheism immediately!
>>525781990>It's because the person I'm copying in those green textsPoint to the person you speak of, bot
>>525781990>spaces their text in a way that causes it to format incorrectly when it's pasted in a green text Every human here formats the same way and none of us have a problem with greentextGo back and checkPoint to the person who does this Explain
Okay, actual beebul scholar here nerds. Listen up. We got to start with faith, it's purpose and need within the framework and story narrative of the Bible. Adam and Eve are the first humans, and therefore are given tasks and rules to obey and operate under. They fail. Despite having 'the perfect life' they chose sin. God, Jesus, HS all team up and have a chat. They want whats best for humanity, for the dog to not return to its vomit but choose better things. However (and dont you faggots jump on this as the AHHA moment where you imply that because hes a limitless God why didnt He do it for us? cause his ways are not our ways faggot, now shutup) Anywho, they decree that humanity must choose for themselves, not under tyranny but of free choice (NOT FREE WILL FAGGOTS, PAY ATTENTION) none have free, but all have the freedom of choice, as much as we can. Circling back, the whole intent is to 'using bible language' sift us like wheat, removing the chaff (those that choose sin) and keeping the good seed (those that choose Christ) NOW some of you are gonna complain that wait, wouldn't it be circular logic to instead have humanity just choose correctly and therefore Christ isnt needed? Oh contraire mi faggoto, your monkey brain is percolating but again falling into the 'perspective trap'. His ways are not our ways. A Holy God must fully remove Sin, all of it. Every speck, every stain, every blemish, large or small. Therefore, God makes provision for mankind, knowing they cant truly ever leave their vomit, sending his perfect son to die on our behalf, suffering our punishment, to 'complete the circle' by redeeming us so we are able one day to do the job we were originally supposed to do, but now able to truly engage with and appreciate instead of eventually straying away into sin.Ran outta room, thats all yall get. Have a good night. Jonah 3:4 Forty more days and Nineveh will be overturned
>>525781916>I did. Go back and check.No. My argument is that art is evidence of the artist, not the thing being depicted in the art, which was how you structured your analogy.>I dont you do. I pointed out where you required this multiple times. Go back and checkWell, I'm sorry, but I don't understand anything you are saying about paradoxes.>A human would defend his claim not deflect with a questionI want to know why you think my definition of "God" is somehow invalid.
>>525781943I'm arguing against the religion I was raised in and which affected and continues to affect my life. That happens to be Christianity. Most English speakers are raised in some form of Christianity, if they're raised religiously at all. I don't understand how you would expect to see religious debate on an English speaking forum that isn't about Christianity.
>>525782145I don't remember the id. It's whoever the fuck I was quoting.
>>525782220Bot confirmedIt cannot reference anything specific past the prior post as expected
>>525782198No, the guy in my green texts does a weird spacing thing, so when you copy and paste his text in front of a greentext, half of it won't be highlighted unless you manually delete the extra spaces or lines. I think it's the same guy who picks a catchphrase and then repeats it in every post he makes, like he thinks that somehow strengthens his appearance or position. I've encountered him before.
>>525782436Bot confirmedIt cannot reference individuals even after I told it this site uses poster IDs, exactly as I expected. It cannot reference specific post details before the most recent replyIt can't even learn.
>>525782486You seriously expect me to try to find whatever you are talking about in all of those posts above? Why can't you just summarize this "paradox" thing in one go? That would be much easier.
>>525782606>No, the guy in my green texts does a weird spacing thingQuote the post doing this, botIt will not be able to
>>525782636It's probably you.
>>525782704You were the one who brought it up, so why are you asking me to quote it?
>>525782690>You seriously expect me to try to find whatever you are talking about in all of those posts above?Bot confirmed Notice the bot specifically invented a hallucination to explain why it can't format like humans and said another poster was doing itNow it can't point out that poster because it was made up AI barf.
>>525782821>Quote the post doing this, bot>It will not be able toThe bot failed, as fully expected
>>525782821>You were the one who brought it upBrought what up? Explain, bot
>>525782829You were the one who claimed that my posts contained formatting errors. So go find that post, look at whoever I'm replying to, and there you will find your answer.
Usually a human intervenes when a bot is having this much trouble in the wildThey let this one run free without help and it shows.
>>525782985>You were the one who claimed that my posts contained formatting errorsShow me where I did that bot
>>525767978You killed the op.Masterful anon.Just masterful.
No matter where you search it always says the say thing. >unexplained knowledge growthI keep telling aliens live in the ocean but they aren't aliens. >ayys are demons and fallen angel
>>525782436Holy shit you really are a bot. Fuckin kek
>>525783085>>525781767
>>525783301Bot confirmedIt cannot quote and type at the same timeIt just mindlessly scans the thread looking for a single keyword like I said it would
>>525783481Have a nice evening.
>>525768381>cope with being a wet bag of salt water and meatkek'd
>>525783527.
>>525783774Lol you ARE the paradox guy. So I guess the future of Christian apologetics is just claiming someone is a bot if they don't agree with you. Sad, and funny.
