I have never seen an argument against universal healthcare.
>>525781274>the government runs it
>>525781274It's inefficient and unsustainable
I have. Aside from the usual clamor of increased taxes and public fund mismanagement, the general gist is that the "price" of universal healthcare is time, as it gets really hard to see anyone in a timely fashion. I've heard that euros with at least a moderate sum of wealth usually come to America to get surgeries done for huge prices simply because they can book them real fast relative to the months-long wait they'd normally have to face.
>>525782124>It's inefficient and unsustainableAmerican healthcare is yes, but we're talking about universal healthcare.
>>525781274Canada
>>525781274healthcare is for old people, if you are under 50 and give one fuck about healthcare you are a fat retarded slob
>>525781274Our system also has no shortage of bloodsucking middlemen, overpaid executives, and bullshit admin jobs where people are also absurdly overpaid.
>>525781274The NHS is a great argument against it
>>525782245And the UK.
>>525782236health care is affordable, just not for goysthat would be antisemitic
>>525782280this and all the doctors are retards from indai and africa with fake degreesYou are better off with no health care at all
>>525781274My insurance has never turned me down for treatment.
>>525781274Yes you have.
>>525782093Yeah it's like they think there won't be employees. And worse yet they will be government employees.
>>525781274Yes nothing says "no middleman" like government bureaucracy.
>>525781274If they're saying no, then how are you paying for everyone else's care?
>>525782236The US has universal healthcare.People with little or no income get Medicaid for free.So why don't we have better life expectancy?
>>525781274*ding* Ten shekels have been deposited in your account.All calls for universal or covered health care in the US as a kike attempt to raid the US treasury. Every. Single. Time. They did a great job with Bongocare.
>>525781274Kill yourself, you're using valuable resources some dysgenic creature hooked up to a feeding tube and ventilator that should've been killed at birth could use.Don't you care about people who need it more than you, you fucking Nazi?!
>>525782255Yup I'm mid 30s. I always take the cheapest option offered and max out my hsa. Sitting on 100k.I have like a 7k max out of pocket do you know 14 years of catastrophic health costs...
>>525781274Here's one: America has grown far wealthier than Europe because America does not engage in these kinds of nice policies. Europe cares and regulates, America thrives. And, after a while, Europe is too poor to care and regulate anymore either. This is already happening. My parents' generation had great public healthcare. Mine doesn't. I actually use private healthcare in a country that is proud of its public healthcare system. Everyone with a job does. So, as a consequence, I actually pay for healthcare two times over. Once in taxes and another time when I actually use it. The American system might suck balls too, but at least you have high wages and low taxes to compensate for it. We don't.
Jumping off a cliff is retarded, and having a safety net below doesn't make it any less retarded.
>>525781274Nobody forces you to buy private insurance, unlike taxation. You can just pay for healthcare directly to hospitals and doctors, which is much cheaper without bloodsucking middlemen.
>>525782505Because you fat cunts eat nothing but junk
>>525781274The only argument against it is we have millions of illegal immigrants and a border with the Third World that looks like Swiss cheese.
>>525782236I know many countries in the world that provide universal healthcare. These are some of the problems I've observed:>cost is offset in income tax [~45%]>insufficient medicine supply>insufficient beds>nepotism and corruption prevail>therefore, long waiting times (>3 months) >underpaid and burnt out staff >private health providers and insurers still thriveThe fact that Americans have it slightly worse (or so they think) doesn't mean that UHC will solve their problems.
>>525782701>Everyone with a jobEveryone with a (real) job in America never even think about healthcare, it is a non-issue.
>>525783194I've never had any problems with medical treatment. No idea what these people are talking about.
Universal healthcare only works in nations where the element of niggers is very low. The care on the ground floor you get is usually made up the worst the society has to offer and if you are filled with 70IQ dindus, that is what you will get and get raped on your tax bill too.Nordic countries can get away with it because the lower end of their society is very high compared to others. Plus nordic people generally are more stoic and don't ply themselves with pills everytime they get the sniffles.
>>525781274the argument is more about gov power, whatever cause you attach. see how gov treats the highways and all that follows because it becomes their dominion...do you want mandatory diet restrictions? mandatory exercise? mandatory sex change? if taxes pay for yor health we can make you wear a retard helmet 24/7 to preserve such and minimize costs...
>>525781274>I have never seen an argument against universal healthcare.how about it cost more than private healthcare cost?unironically, you pay multiple more thousand dollars yearly than I do in private healthcare.
>>525782653yeah i was thinking about HSA-maxxing but it didn't make any sense. The cheapest high-deductible plan i could get is like $800/month.It's completely mind-boggling to spend 10K in a year, to have the privilege of spending the first 16K anyway for a health cost, only for the opportunity to save 4K tax-advantaged annually.I'd much rather just save the 14K outright in a brokerage, and direct-pay for my antibiotics and foot massagers.if i was married and had children, i could maybe perhaps justify some benefit, however, health insurance for single people is a colossal scam.
>>525781274Here's one:I hate niggers
>>525781274Except the problem with healthcare is the costs the hospitals, doctors and pharmaceutical companies charge, because of insane regulations and subsidies from the government. If any of you were capable of critical thinking you'd realize insurance companies want your bill to be as low as possible, because they have to cover 80% of it at minimum after your deductible. Of course, you communists are too retarded to understand that. Plus, the only reason tou don't want insurance companies to be allowed to discriminate and charge different premiums for different people is because most of you want to be able to be fat lazy losers that are 80 pounds overweight, smoke, drink and collect STDs like bug-chasing faggots, but be charged the same as a guy that actually eats healthy, stays fit, doesn't do drugs and doesn't sleep around like a whore.
I don't see how you can have it without driving up costs like Obamacare did and probably being very shitty with long wait times.
>>525781274Here's the argument against it. It takes 50% of your fucking earnings per paycheck bring home. That's the argument against it. If you want to be like the European poor people okay let's do social care like they have.
>>525782093This if the government runs it, it's just going to bloat because doctors will just charge whatever they want. Might even be infinity dollars and we have to pay for this scam.
>>525783706The percentage based profit caps actually make it so they want it as high as possible so they can keep a larger amount. I'm not sure how they didn't see that coming.
>>525781274Make health care for US citizens only and make it a federal crime for illegals to get it. We also need to make it a federal crime to give it to illegals, followed be seizure of the offenders property and the possible banishment of their family. Then I will support it. I am dead fucking serious.
>>525783102heh, remember when crumbl magically showed up in austraulia and you fat fucks lined up for blocks to pay $200/dozen but it turned out to be a group of kids bringing cookies from america? lmao
>>525782255>healthcare is for old people, if you are under 50 and give one fuck about healthcare you are a fat retarded slobCame across this youtube channel from this 30 year old self-proclaimed "baddie" who had this mysterious "I am suddenly tired so I need a wheelchair" syndrome. She was Canadian and heavily into cosplaying, but obviously also on permanent disability/welfare and a constant leech because I am sure she has new symptoms and schedules with the local health-authorities on a regular basis for her many imagined illnesses.This is one thing I suspect with all these GIVE ME FREE STUFF folks is that they fall into the same camp. They want an excuse to be freeloaders while dressing up like Zelda and live out some fantasy. The attention is also a big part of it as is something they learned from a young age, if they are sick they get special attention.
>>525783961The one thing The government could do would be to set caps on and negotiate what they would pay for a drug or a treatment.
i can have my middlemen be whites and asians (and kikes) with real educations and math skills or i can have my middlemen be jobs program niggers (and kikes again) and communists that hate white people
>>525781274charge other countries their fair share instead of offloading r&d costs onto americans because of price controls
>insurance vs insuranceBut what if>No insurance
>>525783267> Everyone with a (real) job in America never even think about healthcare, it is a non-issue.This!
>>525782236>2018How have these numbers looked now that the brown waves have hit Europe?
>>525782232>I've heard that euros with at least a moderate sum of wealth usually come to America to get surgeries doneMy Canadian uncle would come to the USA to get MRI scans before he eventually died. He was having almost daily seizures and the Canadian healthcare system was like "nah man, waiting list".Dude had a MD and worked in medical research too. It was kinda astounding how terribly shitty the Canadian medical system was if you were in that stage of "its not gonna kill you in the next week but it will kill you eventually" stage of illness.
>>525781274The dumbest part is universal healthcare is literally the greedy option.>YOU. PAY. LESS. OVERALL.It's that fucking simple. More spending money in your pocket, and all you have to do is be taxed instead of giving it to a corporation. Every other first world country figured this shit out years ago, but you idiots keep electing bribed politicians in the pocket of big insurance
>>525781274Universal healthcare is amazing, here in Brazil you can have kids without spending a single dollar at the hospital
>>525783267Well we have to grumble about our co-pay and deductible occasionally...But yeah. Just about anyone with a "career" has benefits that covers insurance payments. I'm pretty sure even McWagies get health coverage.
>>525781274who do they think runs government healthcare?the bongs and leafs are famous for their lifelong bureaucracy deciding who does and doesn't get to see a doctor before dying
>>525781274>92% of Americans have healthcare.>40% of Americans get it for free.>8% who don't have it just didn't sign up for it because they'd absolutely qualify for one of the various freebies.The only thing there is to complain about is bullshit co-pays or lack of automatic enrollment.
>>525784248Several similar stories here. People have saved their own lives by using google and going to the US with their symptoms because nobody bothered taking them seriously. The doctors don't really feel any responsibility because they have an endless list of "customers" and they get paid handsomely regardless.
>>525784471They 'have' healthcare, but coverage can be spotty at best, limited where you can go, and a HELL of a lot more expensive than any other country. Just admit the system is broken and could be easily fixed by just eliminating the middle man
>>525784610>could be easily fixed by just eliminating the middle manYes it could be. The only problem is that getting the government to do it is adding yet another, bloated and corrupt, middle man into the chain.
What’s ironic is, all these liberal ideas of how things should be, require society with high levels of morality and personal responsibility. Which is everything that liberals tend to not be.
>>525784610Why? Even UK has private health insurance, 12% of the population have it. 60% of Canadians have private health insurance.It makes no sense to eliminate private health insurance. All USA needs is automatic enrollment in the freebie healthcare to go from 92% covered to 100% covered.
>>525784690It's already proven to work dipshit, try another argument. Shouting about muh government inefficiency when every other fucking government already does it for cheaper proves you're just lying
>>525783961>>525783961>doctors will just charge whatever they wantThat's literally happening now because of the health insurance system
>>525784895What use is 100% covered if getting sick still puts you in crippling debt?Healthcare needs to be free, not covered. And don't say it doesn't work, we already see plenty of examples of it working. And don't say it will have problems, because we already know what causes the problems with the power of said other countries and can simply not do what they did.
>>525785099Where exactly does it work again? And why does it work there as opposed to almost everywhere else?
>>525785221>>525785221> Healthcare needs to be free, not covered.Nothing is free. If it is, than it ain’t worth nothing.
>>525785099>It's already proven to work dipshit, try another argument.If that were the case, than my Canadian uncle would still be alive right now.
>>52578522140% of Americans do get free healthcare, which I already stated.And there's automatic enrollment for Medicare, meaning everyone 65+ has free healthcare.We have 8% not getting free healthcare because they didn't sign up for it. That's why we need automatic enrollment into the free healthcare programs that already exist for people under 65.
>>525781274>medicare isn't full of bloodsucking parasites
>>525785446>It has proven examples of working>But here's an example of it not working thanks entirely to Canada's equivalent of the GOPAre you retarded
>>525781274The “bloodsucking middlemen” will just be replaced with bloodsucking bureaucrats, and you’ll still get denial of care. But hey, eVeRyOnE’s cOvErEd!!!
Medicare for all citizens?That might be okay.Medicare for freeloader illegals and H1Bers.Fuck them.
>>525785509It's not 'free', it's their companies paying into insurance.Guess what? It's cheaper for them too! If they aren't paying for insurance for their employees, they save money! Fucking stupid.
>>525785858>>It has proven examples of workingshow them
>>525781274Aren't governments bloodsucking middle men? Modern governments are full of fake politicians who bow to the Bog.
>>525782124It’s bad but better than nothing
>>525781274Not everyone needs hwalth insurance. Some people only go to the doctor like once a decade. Why pay for health insurance at all if you have no need for it?
>>525782236>whiter and more ethnically monogamous countries are better Yes, I agree.
>>525781274You won’t be allowed to ask for medication, pain relief is a luxury and opioids for your deathbed and extreme circumstances only. Chronic non-life threatening conditions are triaged so they take years to be treated, even if they cause dehabilitating pain. The same corporate entities currently manipulate the insurance system will now manipulate, and even buy out in some cases, the public healthcare system. You will get lowest bidder, triage extremism, and over half your systems employees being pointless civil servants and middle management (that’s where the insurance guys will migrate to), these new freeloaders will bloat the system, stifle innovation and then strike where they want something causing everyone to bend the knee or suffer. The best bit? There is fuck all you can do about it because you can’t even vote with your wallet anymore. The system you want is fine for a battlefield or basic needs but for anything bigger than a toothache you’ll want insurance based systems.
>>525786165He can’t. Because there are zero examples.
That being said… you can have whatever system you want, I really don’t give a fuck BUT you must first promote and push for ethnically homogeneous nations, fuck, you lefty cucks can have full Leninist communism for all I care as long as we get nations, real nations, aka ethnic groups with a shared culture (you can even decide how the culture is promoted but don’t fuck around and make it all gay).
>>525781274Why do white people prefer socialism and browns prefer banana republic neoliberal jungle capitalism?
>>525781274the less money I am forced to give to niggers the better
>>525782505The middle class are working themselves to death to pay for it and then they don't seek medical care even with insurance because they will still charge you a fuckton.
>>525782236>American healthcare is yes, but we're talking about universal healthcare.So the universe will pay for it?
>>525784248>Have to hop the border to even get proper diagnosis for anything chronic, much less treatmentIt's even worse than I've heard.>>525785177It's true. Doctors charge exorbitant rates because they know someone will pay them. It's easy to milk people for all they're worth when they're told "your money or your life". It doesn't help that the USA has a huge obesity problem, which causes a slew of health problems that further fuels demand.
>>525782093First post is best post.
>>525782093>we can't allow the democratically elected government to control healthcare!>we need CEOs and board members selected by shadowy cabals of elite Jewish shareholders to control healthcare instead!Americans are so fucked in the head.
>>525781274>Being forced by the government to pay for someone else's trans surgery Why would you want this?
>>525781274not the role of government
>>525787833Both of those greentexts are the same people retard.
>>525782124Healthcare is naturally net loss. Private insurance companies rely on the same Ponzi scheme of getting more people buying in and not using their health insurance than are taking out so they can shuffle money back and forth. There is very little place for actual profit to be made without it just becoming a type of usury.
>>525782701The US has the resources of a continent and has avoided falling into the traps of Russia or Brazil of cyclical corruption spirals. That is why it is successful. Look at China. They've had the most meteoric rise in history over the last 50 years, but ideologically they're all insane and deranged.But they've avoided the corruption spirals and have the resources of (half) a continent. It isn't because of the content of their character, it's just materialistic.
>>525781274Israel has free childcare, free schools, free/subsidized college, free food, free healthcare, you name it, and get full military protection.All of this is paid for by the US taxpayers.
>>525788937Israel lives of American taxpayers money.The average American citizen can't afford groceries or rent, but they give trillions to this parasitic nation.
>>525781274weak people get sick if you need heath care maybe its time to go and not corrupt the gene pool
>>525781274Unlimited funding for the medical industryNo way would they abuse that
>>525788937That's what Nazi Germany would have been but instead of Americans paying for everything it would be slav labor camps.
>>525781274Well, I have one for you. Let's say governement raises taxes by 20% to finance it. If you make let's say 50k and you pay 10k in taxes, it only cost you 2k to get healthcare. But if you make 150k and pay and 50k in taxes, it cost you 10k to get healthcare.
>>525782093citizens united and its consequences have been disastrous to the american brain jfc
>>525781274Have you ever experienced it, it's fucking dogshit, literally uselessThe Doctors have infinite patients and they don't have to manage and run a practice, they just have to maintain their credentialsThis means you end up with an industry full of mouth breathing retards getting into arguments with you because they're too stupid to understand what a fucking canker sore is. It is an absolute disaster everywhere it's implemented and just causes massive que times for DoctorsIn Canada, there are Doctors so fucking stupid they will confuse acute persistent tinnitus as congestion. Like these people aren't even worth paying anymore, imagine some fucking Walmart shopper being your Doctor. That's what we have here in Canada, if you can even get oneI pay taxes for heathcare to be on a waiting list for over 3 years to get a family doctor in the off chace they are slightly less retarded and have even the faintest hint of fucking listening comprehension. Im not joking, we should be allowed to just smack these GP's stright upside the head when you tell them your knee hurts and the just blink at you and ask if you've been vaccinatedIt's one of those things that looks great on paper but fails miserably when implemented because people don't actually give a fuck, they just like the idea of giving a fuck
The only universal healthcare system in the world which isn't pathological is the South Korean one. They don't engage in price fixing
>>525788119Depends a lot on demographics. As long as you have replacement generations the insurance Ponzi scheme works. Youros and Japs are completely fucked in this regard.
>>525781274it takes a fuck ton in oil profits to fund it. Ask Skandanavia.
Universal healthcare is far too expensive.
>>525790202>Universal healthcare is far too expensive.The GP's have to go. All of them. They are being paid hand over fist to misdiagnose things an AI from 2006 could have gotten correct, leading to massive numbers of low-priority patients just being perpetually juggled by a small handful of ineffective and disinterested GP's who's vastly more invested in minmaxing patient contactRemember how so many of them were so reluctant to open back up after the lockdowns? It's not because they gave a fuck about COVID (may a few exceptional morons drank the coolaid) it's because they were thrilled with the idea of getting paid to not even have to look at the patients, you can just doctorsplain They're still trying to do it with this telehealth nonsense, I have have to talk to a screen why the fuck are we paying them just get ChatGPT to do it and lower my taxes for fuck sake. Specialists are just fine and do specialist things that only specialists do. We need them, it's just these fucking dogshit GP's need to be fired a decade ago
>>525782505Medicare is complete garbage and most hospitals won’t accept it unless you’re actively dying and I don’t mean cancer I mean a sucking chest wound.
>>525791111It's expensive because a healthy population becomes competition. What you are describing is only done to targets.
>>525781274hey I got a question for americans here, how much does a good health care insurance cost per year? lets compare, i pay about 40k/year in income tax both federal and provincial (about half my salary) and i know that about half of that goes to the health care system. So for 20k/year i cant see a doctor unless i go wait for 12 hours at the e.r.how is it in America?
>>525781274Yeah, you should pay more in taxes so the government can give even more of your money to private businesses bought up by Jews with your own money without any way to opt out or shop elsewhere for a better deal.Fucking retard.
>>525781274What americans have against public healthcare? All countries have it.
Diminishing returns. There's your fucking argument. They'll probably let you pop a bible boil on your hand for free but if you have anything past a crown that needs replacing off into the incinerator you go. Death is the cheapest treatment of all and it has a 100% success rate.
>>525791273>What you are describing is only done to targetsIf there is one thing Doctors care about more than anything, it's their credentialsImagine being a GP working so hard for so long just to lose your credentials because you're too lazy and stupid to diagnose things my graphics card could doI'm used to getting dunked on by retards anyways, don't expect me to care>I hope it was worth it
>>525781274>I have never seen an argument against universal healthcare.I have never seen someone tell me how it can be paid for.
>>525791225This is objectively false. Most places in America take it. Weird hyperspecific solo-owned businesses are the ones that tend not to.
>>525791225It's almost like you get what you pay for if its free
>>525781274With all the talk about healthcare CEOs of the last year, how the fuck is no one talking about the fact the ACA was countless billion dollar handout to insurance companies?More than twenty million Americans are signed up for insurance every year, for years they were forced to provide proof of insurance or face a fine.
They will still deny you medicine and now we all have to pay for it instead of your stupid ass for trusting themThe rules will not change. You will still be denied.
>>525781274Very simple. When you get health insurance, you pay into the system out of your paycheck. Otherwise we are diverting even more tax dollars to niggers and spics and this is literally a strategy to destroy the economy.
>>525781274>I have never seen an argument against universal healthcare.It was never based on whether or not it's feasible in the US. Ask ANY republican about the issue. Any of them. They are never going to have any argument other than>But I don't WANT other people to have healthcare! That would make me feel BAD!
>>525791608So many people have perpetual ailments that are ignored by the medical system. It seems like it has to be intentional.
>>525784367>here in Brazil you can have kids without spending a single dollar at the hospitalEvery brown in this country has kids for free too. Whites pay for it. Whites pay for all of it. All while jews insist Whites need to open the borders and Whites need to provide free health care for the entire fucking planet. The only people who don't get free health care in the US already are White people. Boomers get free health care. Browns get free health care. Foreign invaders get free health care and free rent. You can't have socialism without a nation. We just need a catchy name for it.
>>525791608This is true. When my pet rat had a cancerous growth it took forever to get an appointment because of covid shit. It had reached an almost terminal size. I had been treating it topically with whatever anti inflammatory / anti cancer things I could grind up into a paste or get him to take orally. When we finally got an appointment, Doctor remarked that it was actually working but still growing from the inside where it wasn't reaching. "If only we could localize it and treat the heart of the growth - nah fuck it we'll just cut him open. I'm not here to do research." Little buddy died of course. They're not scientists, they're just overly educated fast food workers who follow a giant procedure flowchart.
>>525787833our prime minister is the most zogged mother fucker who was getting his cocked sucked by stephen harper as a conservative a decade ago..
>>525782236Canada and European countries are increasing their retirement ages and cutting funding to social programs. Now they've resorted to bringing in millions of migrants, who are drains on the economy, to keep the programs alive. How is that sustainable?
>>525781274https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rios_1vmeYWhat compels a man to allegedly beat a woman and lie about it?
>>525791225>>525791637Because of Reagan, anyone can walk into any ED and can't be refused care.
>>525782255I wonder if you will still think this when you're in crippling pain, spending 10 hours in a waiting room to be seen.
thats not how insurance works, lol
>>525781274So why not forego insurance and save the money for an emergency?
>>525791748>So many people have perpetual ailments that are ignored by the medical system. It seems like it has to be intentional.Indeed, many such cases. Oh well, they'll be replaced by a Ti-86 graphing calculator in due time. Oh well, it's going to be fucking hilarious when the Latin gate keeping bullshit evaporates and people start getting diagnosed with "Too much iron in the blood" or "Persistently low blood sugar" like any normal and rational species genuinely interested in the care and well being of it's kin would doSeems kinda fucking retarded that i'd have to spend 4 years learning how to speak the language of the people trying to administer medical care unless it was actually just some lame thinly veiled cult masquerading as a public service for sometimes fun but mostly profits>>525791762Oh hey sorry about your little ratto friend man. Rats are good pets>Little buddy died of courseYeaa, poor guy. They here for a good time, not a long time. I hope he got lots of treats
>>525781274over 50% of the people in the hospital at any given time are there because of obesity or drug abuse. those people don't deserve to have their healthcare paid for by others because they don't take care of themselves
>>525792361>for sometimes fun but mostly profitsAnd murdering targets. That's what the malpractice insurance is for. For when they intentionally miss diagnoses, forge lab results, or outright murder a patient due to an intentional medical mistake.
>>525792425Colds and coughs make up a good chunk of ED visits too.Unless you're coughing up blood or can't breathe, those can easily be taken care of at home with OTC meds.
>>525792361Thank you, yeah. I raise shoulder rats/companions now. He had a private garden run outside and would run to the front door to be let inside and free reign of the house more or less. Wish they were all that smart.
>>525792619>And murdering targetsThis would be lending the generous extension of assuming they'd be competent in this capacity if they aren't competent Doctors to begin with>Oh but ChatGPT though>That's what the malpractice insurance is for.That doesn't make sense. No, you buy stocks in fast food which makes people sicker then you also buy stocks in the healthcare industry which treats but not cures them so they can continue to buy your fast food so they get sick again. They're like little money generating hamsters you stick onto whichever economic wheels you need turned. There's a strategy for this I forget what it's called but it's basically the cornerstone of Keynesian economics - this is just how you drive aggregate demand. They don't tell you that directly but that's what you're supposed to do>forge lab resultsThere is no profit to doing this, they lose money when patients die, they want them as sick as possible for as long as possible, this is why things like insulin are so expensive - if they could they would have EVERYONE on insulin because it's so profitable, hence my above statement>outright murder a patient due to an intentional medical mistakeThey just crash entire airplanes when it gets awkward now, that Malaysian flight had a fuckton of top tier virologists on it
>>525792953>He had a private garden run outside and would run to the front door to be let insideHah that's so neat I like that. A rat garden, you could plant all sorts of fun things to go dig in there
>>525782093>trusts the government to run his government>doesn't trust his government to tard wrangle some doctors
>>525782093This.The only thing I want my government to do with my tax money is overpay for military hammers and send money to Israel.
>>525781274Why not just do neither?Revolutionary idea: if you want healthcare, pay for it like any other service. You don't have to choose between the government buying everyone a car and having elaborate insurance schemes to buy a car. You just... go out and buy a car.
>>525782124this
>>525781274Here is why medicare for all sucks>government will pay up to $100 for <insert service>>service is now always charged for $100, regardless if was cheaper than that priorUntil this gets figured out, and we get rid of the parasite class, socialized medicine is such retarded idea for America.
>>525794111>and having elaborate insurance schemes to buy a car.Nobody tell this Bong what's legally required to drive a car
>>525781274It keeps useless vermin like you alive.
>>525781274Universal health care = Jew Marxist death camps
>>525781274If you're against free medical care for children you're a bad person full stop. America claims to be the richest country on Earth but provides nothing to its people, not even the most vulnerable and children. Pathetic.Latvia is the poorest country in the E.U. and healthcare is 100% free for children from conception to age 26. I paid nothing for my 2 kids born here.
>>525791776So you'd rather pay hundreds of dollars a month to some kikes, who will then weasel out of actually providing the service that you paid for when you actually need it?
>>525782236Fix the food and this number goes way, way up. Deport all shitskins and it goes up again.
>>525781274I have insurance. Just shitty, home and contents. Anyway I thought it would never pay me out for anything. One day someone stole my bag and my bike. I called them and told them and they asked me a few questions. Then they paid for everything that I’d lost, and some. So my experience with insurance here in NZ has been good. I wouldn’t want to go to another round though.
>>525781274I have Medicare (because I am on SSDI) and I have a Medigap supplement. It is the absolute best insurance in the world. I can go to 90% of doctors in the country with no referral, no pre-authorization, no cost-sharing, copays, or deductibles. I can go to the Mayo Clinic one day, Cleveland Clinic the next, or some orthopedic surgeon used by NFL players the next. Medicare is sweet but most boomers are dumbasses/poorfags and enroll in Medicare (dis)Advantage
