Behold, the gnostics, esotericists and mystery cults want you to waste 6 gorillion hours of your life online researching boomer-tier conspiracy theories and to read all about their dumb mythos they made up about themselves to seem like their gay cub is thousands of years old and how you should be paranoid and live in fear.And yet I will give you forbidden knowledge freely, because I want what is best for you and have no ulterior motives, other than the complete and absolute humiliation of the demonic host, in anticipation of their inevitable and eternal defeat and damnation to unceasing suffering.Here are a few examples:>there are multiple antichrists>the final antichrist will appear and claim to be "christian" but his spiritual fruits will prove him otherwise, though people will be duped by physical>love, faith, and trust are NOT ideas in your head, they are physical actions that must be manifested in the world otherwise they don't exist>everything real about faith is physically manifested in the world as well - God works primarily in reality, not in your mind - think baptism, the eucharist, Jesus' many physical healings>miracles are just God doing things differently - normally the laws of physics exist to give man a stable reference to the world around him, but God changing things for the better at the supplication of man (i.e. a miracle) is just reality working as intended and humans reclaiming our rightful place as divine stewards of the earth and being made to exist in constant communion with God>purgatory isn't real, it was made up by the vatican>angels and demons have the ability to send you feelings, emotions, and thoughts - whether you continue to listen to good or evil affects how much power they have over you
>>525785328>the purpose of life is to acquire God's grace, which just means His energy>the more grace/energy you acquire, the more healed your disposition is, and the more resistance God gives you to evil tendencies and the sinful passions>the end goal is transfiguration, theosis, the complete healing of human nature and uniting our will with God, sharing in His divinity by way of His grace/energy that He gives as giftsI could go on.
Source?>I just know ok
>>525785460Source is the 2000 year old One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church founded at Pentecost. You can ask an Orthodox priest about any of this and he will tell you, no need for insane masonic secret ranks of withholding information, you don't even have to become Orthodox, he will answer your questions anyway
>>525785328You're being a little disingenuous, we are a mystery religion even if we are upfront with the basics. The mysticism of hesychasm our dionysian traditions are decidedly esoteric. Just as St. Justin Martyr and Clement of Alexandria espoused, we perfected what the pagans had. There is more to spirituality than the physical.
I dunno, what if everything about life is just a chemical reaction. Like if we were given a big enough system and had the billions of years time we could recreate the creation of entire solar system and eventually observe how the full process of evolution leads to faggots like you claiming God is in control, when if God was in control why are there still muslims and jews? Or the countless other cultures and religions. Like this shit isn't forbidden knowledge or even political, its just bullshit. Unless you're advocating for the forced castration of muslims or something you're literally killing threads for no reason.
>>525785409Let's talk about suffering - why it exists - a little bit.Fundamentally, the reality is that man and the world is fallen because of the ancestral sin, which damaged human nature and severed our communion with God. Ok, most people know this or at least something like it. What they don't realize is that the world as it exists now (with all the suffering and violence and even death) is designed by God for our benefit, given we are immortal beings and He is trying to show us the eternal consequences of evil actions. There is one underlying choice that was made by Adam and Eve; that of disobeying God, wanting to do without Him, wanting to BE without Him, thinking to exist apart from He who is the very essence of existence. Because this is a paradox, an impossibility, God is trying to convince us, who have free will, that we have to be with God or else the alternative is an impossibility and therefore eternal suffering.Part 1/2
>>525785460It's experiential (and as such can be put to the test) and the general consensus of most mystical literature in the first thousand years A.D.
>>525786067Part 2/2Let's read the words of Elder Ephraim(+2019), who labored in America and founded the holy monastery of St Anthony in Arizona, among others. Listen to his words:"How much a person loses when he suffers and forgets his sonship, failing to realize that he is being disciplined as a child of God." (p. 13)"Trials come to teach us to become bearers of hardship, trained fighters, followers of Christ who was crucified for us, brothers of all the saints who walked the thorny path of the Cross… the faithful, through keeping the holy commandments and enduring the trials brought by the world, the devil, and the flesh." (p. 19)"Trials come to bring us closer to God, for tribulations sadden and darken the heart, making it soft, smooth, and humble." (p. 20)"He who bears his sorrows with joy and understanding is freed from his sins and their punishments. A spiritual mark is created within him; he becomes compassionate, humble, meek… But the one who lacks true understanding of his trials falls into sadness and depression when he should rejoice—for he walks the road of Golgotha with the saints." (p. 20)"Trials of every kind purify the person who accepts them with wisdom and understanding. Every trial that befalls a Christian is a divine visitation for his salvation, sent by the sweet right hand of our heavenly Father, even though our nature does not like such things—just as a sick man does not enjoy bitter medicine." (p. 23)"A doctor causes pain to a sick person—through surgery, bitter medicine, even amputation—not out of malice, but for healing. Likewise, God, the Physician of our souls and bodies, heals us through every kind of remedy, trial, and pain, to grant us spiritual health in the highest possible degree." (p. 33)
>>525786067Suffering exists as a biological defense mechanism to avoid death.
>>525785328>And yet I will give you forbidden knowledge freelyI'll do it first. OP is mentally ill KGB shill. And Gnostics were a pissed off sect of Judeans in Alexandria larping as Platonists so they could infiltrate the schools. They were also gay because the Daddyurge deity yahweh was defeated by Jupiter so they switched to worshiping EL's sister wife Ashura... calling her Sophia instead or Isis at times.
>>525786181Be a little hesitant on following the teachings of elders who are not yet saints, elderism can turn into cults of personality.T. Orthodox cleric
>>525785994>we are a mystery religion even if we are upfront with the basicsWe are upfront with everything. Nothing is hidden. By definition we are not a mystery cult. You sell Christianity short brother
If this shit is so forbidden, God should obviously just kill op for giving it away like this.
>>525786229Are you a chad neoplatonist?
The most famous burrito spot in Juarez is called after Chrysostom. Just leaving this little golden nugget of knowledge here.
>>525786229>>525785328Also note that the KGB runs the Orthodoxy of Russia. It is a money scheme and control mechanism or those who murdered the church. The KGB is REALLY into gnostic sex cults. Dugin and his minions flooded 4chan and twitter with these freaks trying to convert anons as another attack vector.
>>525785328Why chose this over Christianity?What does this give ypu Christianity does not?Are you too evil for Christianity?
>>525786340Well... yes and no. When I started seminary I was explicitly told not to read the philokalia as I wasn't ready for it yet. Later. I studied it when I was ready. That's esotericism by definition, and the mystic fathers go into concepts surrounding prayer and God you really won't hear in a normative parish setting.
>>525786229This is the kind of slop that I'm talking about. It makes an inquisitive mind want to spend the next 3 hours googling your word salad to pick apart the individual meanings and names.It's a waste of time, and you can tell it's all just a LARP because it doesn't amount to anything in the world at all. Nobody is better for knowing or espousing this slop mythos and fictional worldview. At best you get a nepotism cult.
>>525786379I'm an enslaved royal Scythian who will teach you the true meaning of neet life and the cowboy way.
>>525785328>you must work >work iniquity because you have the knowledge of good and evil >refuses to simply believe the gospel >he thinks Jesus going to the cross was a joke God pulled on Caiaphas God condemned religion when he allowed himself to be crucified by it. You wear robes, like Pharisee. You talk, like Pharisee. You tell people to keep the commandments, to work, like Pharisee. Religion, and the law are not your friend. It is merely fallen men, pretending to be good. The book at SEVERAL points, states no one is good but god alone, and everyone down here is a sinner. What use is religion, when 1 sin is fatal? You don’t need clergy you need Christ.
>>525785328>>525785409Yep, this is borne out by the philosophers who tell us always to look to reality and not ourselves, although it is easy to get trapped in your own mind/own reference frame, what goes on in your mind is not necessarily the Truth. Too often I get even Christ wrong because I have my own opinion.
>>525785994>we neeeeeed to be mysterious and gayTheres a reason the real warriors of light make fun of you retarded fights in the astral realm , trinkets and rituals and secrets mysteries are all dim candlelight to the bright shining power within your own temple/kingdom
>>525786291If you regularly read the lives of the Saints you'll realize he is just repeating what's been said in every generation across the last 2000 years. There is the generalized "mind of the Saint" that we can study and see that they all share this common outlook, common personality, common wisdom, and common knowledge/teachings. The more you study, and more importantly the more you experience through a successful lived spiritual life, the more you recognize this common thread and can pick out the eternal truths echoed by the sanctified in the same exact way across the ages.
>>525786557They should look up history and philosophy and work hard at dispelling the lies like a fucking detective, then look into occultism/Gnosticism to laugh at how they are a retarded primitive re-run version of historical research and philosophic writings for people who are sex pests.
>>525786067Suffering exsists because you have a brain that's able to put you in that state. Believing anything anything that has to do with religion is retarded imo. I don't understand why people need these institutions to live a moraly good life.
>>525786406Yeah the mkscow patriarchate are schismatic. They're messed up.>>525786426Kek, we are Christian, we are the oroginal, oldest Christians. The problem is that christianity has been so compromised that ypublook bacl at us and don't see yourself anymore. Believe it or not though, Orthodoxy is your original archetype.
Does the antichrist know that he is the antichrist?
>>525786707>>525786707>>525785994**faggotsExcuse my typo. I'm a retard. But at least I'm not a retarded faggot, like the mystery school niggas
If you are not GayYou are not white.Seethe and cope.
>>525786560>You wear robes, like Pharisee. You talk, like Pharisee. You tell people to keep the commandments, to work, like Pharisee.good point
>>525785328Orthodox fags are free to roam the wilderness and disavow life. You should be appointed to show up and speak every now and again, so that we may learn what faggots look like.
>>525786376It's not forbidden, that's my point. "Forbidden knowledge" is a meme to deceive you into being manipulated. In reality, the truth is plainly given. It is not always simple in the details but it is absolutely not hidden if you just ask an Orthodox priest.
This is all a load of horse cock, here's some actual hidden knowledge:>If you say you didn't get three wicked wings in your zinger box at KFC the staff will rarely question this and give you an extra one for free.>Birds make very specific calls for different situations. If you pay attention you can tell what animals are nearby just from listening to birds talk about them.
>>525785573Does this mean I have to convert to Catholicism? I've really been trying to avoid that
>>525786181Why would God create suffering in the first place? It doesn't make sense to me if he is All love. Is this life a test or battleground or like school for young souls to learn and grow? I have so many more questions than answers, and every answer gives me 10 more questions
>>525785409>uniting will with godUmm sweetie why would I want to be gods bitch?
>>525786426This is just normal Christianity
>>525786722Yes, this hollistic method of reading requires discernment that the average lurker on pol won't have.>>525786707I'm just saying that you need to walk before running, it's not like a greco roman mystery school, it's just a process of growth. You don't gove a kindergartener calulus, and you don't give a cstechuman the philokalia
>>525785328>"I'm gonna give you esoteric knowledge!">lists things orthodox christians believeI'm going to bed
>>525786543No... That's pastoral wisdom. Nothing is stopping you from buying the philokalia and reading it. Nothing is stopping you from asking your priest about the proper way to do the Jesus Prayer. Nothing is stopping you from going on a pilgrimage to a monastery and being in the presence of a so-called "mystic". It's not hidden behind masonic ranks and secret handshakes.
>>525786966He's talking about Eastern Orthodox, what he said is the true name of the Church
>>525786966All you need is God and Christ. You don't need a fancy building or fancy ceremonies. YOU are the church. Your body is the temple. Your mind is heaven (or hell) Jesus never said you need to get on your knees in front of a random old guy and let him put a small piece of bread on your tongue. Be a good person, ask for forgiveness, and your reward is above as it is below
>>525787150>>525786966 orthodoxy is better. Also the coptics and even the sufis have a branch in north Egypt that is sinilar to a christian gnosticism. I'd be wary of the catholic church, which has been hijacked. Read about the Whore of Babylon. I've been to the Vatican 5 times , it's FULL of lucifer symbology. The pope's throne is a giant statue of satan rising out of hell followed by his 200 fallen angels. It's wild
>>525786678>what goes on in your mind is not necessarily the Truth. Too often I get even Christ wrong because I have my own opinion.This is a HUGE point that most contemporary self-identified "christians" don't get. I think it is so prevalent because Sola Scriptura is the primary framework that a protestant operates on, and so everything is filtered through "my own interpretation" glasses, that they don't even realize they are wearing those glasses. Orthodoxy explicitly warns us not to have the spiritual pride to think we can understand everything, and to rely on people much wiser than us to teach and guide us.
>>525787185You arent entirely wrong, but 2 points. 1. For a lot of people the discipline and ritual brings them closer to Christ.2. If you read acts and the didache, the Church after Christ's ressurection had ritual and specific places for prayer. Hell, all the churches mentioned in the epistles are stilla round, and they're all Orthodox.
>>525787076What I want is more practical esoteric knowledge, something that'll help us day to day.
>>525787065Your saying your mystery school is used for a slow drip of knowledge so it is more digestible? Excuse me if this is the case, I was rashes and harsh in my assuming it was one of the mystery schools that just leads to butt sex and lucifer worship (unfortunately common in my country currently)
>>525786766Christianity isn't simply a moral code. It is the explanation of reality. You have no answer for how the world exists, why we are how we are, or what the meaning of life is. The best secular scientists can do is the theory of evolution, which is at best an extrapolation based on incredible faith in the model to the point that to accept it you are believing in something akin to a religious dogma.
>>525787065>I'm in a gay cult>Here's why that's a good thing...
give real tangible things, this is bs.
>>525786791... probably. Though some humans genuinely do not know that they are serving demons, they are so deluded. But the final antichrist will be like the sorcerers of old, in knowing communion with the demonic powers and Satan himself giving him power to deceive and work miracles.
>>525787346How about relying on the Holy Spirit instead? We lean on God's understanding, not on human understanding.
>>5257873961) absolutely correct and I agree2) a fair and good point, but if I may retort, as you say yourself, this was AFTER. I am not calling it incorrect , but in my view, all is secondary or tertiary or etcetera AFTER the resurrection and the final command, go and preach to all nations. I am not good at words, I apologize, I am trying to say I don't disagree with you, I'm saying in my view, all is secondary importance after that final command. If that makes sense , so if a specific building or specific ritual is important, I do not disagree, but as far as absolutely required to enter the kingdom of heaven, for my view, all that is needed is Christ, and all else is secondary (I could have worded this better I apologize but I'm close to sleep)
>>525787461Yeah that's the whole point, gotta make sure people don't fall pray to their ego, or bite off more than they can chew. It's not like any of ot is hodden behond rituals or further induction either, you just work woth a spiritual father to go at a pace tailored to you. Sorry to hear that, that's fucked up.
>>525786966Not roman catholicism, but Orthodox Christianity. Completely different than roman catholics, and any similarities are what they have borrowed capital from us originally before they split from the Church. "orthodox" just means "right worship" or "correct glorification" in Greek.
>>525787515Submit to Christ brother, you don't know how awesome is it to suck him off. Just suck him off bro. It's not gay, be the bride of christ that performs fellatio FIRST on the wedding night.
>>525787436Learn breath work, there are multiple ways, but start with a easy one, like the 4 second square. Get up to the golden ratio /fibonaccui sequence breath work. Do this, meditation, and pray, and more will be revealed to you from your own understand and consciousness, thus your truth and spirit will expand
>>525787694This is just a broad platitude that is vague. Orthodox Christians would respond by saying we do rely on God, the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Holy Trinity.
>>525787436Try to spend time in actual silence, learn to still your mind, this is very important for any kind of serious work.
>>525787797Interesting and intriguing and understandable. Thank you for that clear explanation I've heard rumors that the frequency in some of the orthodox chants are very powerful , rumors from multiple trusted sources In regards to your photo, if angels are around us so are demons. In deeper orthodox tradition and understanding, are angels and demons separate entities, or are these spiritual manifestations that are within us, and the spirutal warfare is within? Or outside? Or both? Lol sorry many questions at once but you seem knowledgeable about this subject
>>525785328>>525785409there are two forms of sin, sins against God and sins against man (yourself). The former is not done without the latter, if a son burns down his fathers house he lost a place to sleep also. guilt and shame are both sins, and anything that causes them. That does not mean "if I make myself into such an asshole that I dont feel guilt or shame for being a piece of shit then im golden", thats the kike line of thinking and it is very much in error. What it does mean though is that if youve done something that causes guilt or shame, it needs to be reconciled. i.e. dont go sinning, but if you do all is not lost while you still have time. >who gives a shit about sinyou should, if there is sin on your ledger then you are free game to any demon which wants to fuck with you. >>525786557one of the hardest lessons for me to learn was that it is good that ingrates are blind to the truth. Or, rather, I did not appreciate what that meant. There was a time where I saw it as "if only I could reach them somehow" damned near drove myself insane trying to figure out why it seemed impossible. Then one day, after struggling with that for quite a long time, I woke up and it was revealed to me, it is GOOD that they cant see, God closed their evil eyes for a reason, and striving to reach them is a fools errand that severely deviates from the example set by Christ.
>>525787504The theory of evolution is quite simple to understand and also quite observable in real life. Nothing crazy there. Also, why would there be a meaning to life? I personaly think there's no greater meaning behind it. We all just happen to be here because of a contextual reason that made it happen. As for yourself, if you need a meaning for life, why do you need a 2000 years old religion to give you some answers? Can't you just come up with your own meaning of life based on the lots of years you've been here?
>>525788059>the frequency in some of the orthodox chants are very powerfulYeah they make you bald
>>525786974Let's say you want your son to walk. But to do that, you have to let go of him at some point and let him stand on his own. But you know for certain he is going to fall down in the process of that (multiple times likely) and cry and it might hurt a bit. Same with riding a bike. Same thing comes with disciplining your child. I genuinely believe so many people don't understand that discipline is a loving thing to do because parents don't discipline kids in our generations.picrelated
>>525788122I have my phd in molecular biology. No scientist has believe in the THEORY of evolution in yearsEven Charles Darwin said at the end of origin of species (I'll paraphrase because I'm sleepy) 'I can not prove or disprove the theory of evolution, but it seems as if a DIVINE HAND is pushing along the progress of life and nature'
ORTHODOX KGB
>>525788122if live has no meaning then everything is in vain, whether you die or live means nothing, and everything only comes from and returns to nothing. Point to me where nothing exists that I may look upon this wonder of yours.
>>525788122It is physically impossible to trace it back in an unbroken link to the primordial goo evolutionists posit we all came from. It's a leap of faith. Observable changes in finches across generations does not equate to a gorillion years of evolution theory played out. It's an extrapolation at best, deception intended for midwits at worst.
>>525785328Finally, a real Christian thread
>>525788166I understand that, but your examples are in a world that is already fallen and broken, our world. What prevented God from creating a "perfect and easy world"?Or perhaps, as you can't have light without darkness, you can't have "good and happiness" as experiences without ALSO experiencing "bad and sadness", giving us a reference point? I agree with your last statement. My upbringing was interesting, as I was an orphan. I see friends in my life now fall apart at the slightest inconvenience. They tell me I'm strong because I can handle tougher storms. But I now the truth, as I have a feeling you do too, there have been multiple times in my life I've been brought down to rock bottom where thankfully God was waiting for me to find Him again.
>>525787618The Church is a real and tangible thing. Not roman catholicism (because I see your flag and you will not know what Orthodox Christianity is, only ever being exposed to vatican catholics)
>>525788344Oh, I would agree with that. But it's provable for species in the last thousand years. So, i'd guess if the theory is good for the last milions years let's say, it would be good for the other milions before that wouldn't it? If you're talking about the origin of first life forms on earth, I know there's a few theories but nothing official yes.
>>525786426Brother he is literally just an Orthodox Christian You don't understand Christianity if you think this is weird
>>525788457>What prevented God from creating a "perfect and easy world"?Cannot exist with free will.
>>525788561>So, i'd guess if the theory is good for the last milions years let's say, it would be good for the other milions before that wouldn't it?Subconsciously you're typing question marks because you're starting to see how much of an incredible leap of faith and jumping to conclusions the whole thing is. Not to mention that a thousand years and even a million years is absolutely finite compared to the billions and trillions they talk about, it's inconceivable. Some people will point to this as if it proves that because all that time happened, it was more time for random chance to bump things together until you get where we are now. But really that inconceivable amount of time means the leap is yet more inconceivable.
>>525788457Because the pain is for our good It's actually an extremely easy thing to understand You lift weights? Same principle
>>525788578That actually makes sense..... I'll ponder on that the next few days , thanks for the thoughtIf heaven is perfect, is there free will in heaven?The new testament mentions a new earth AND a new heaven (I only caught this recently) a new heaven? Why is a new heaven needed if the old/current heaven is perfect?
Good thread, good comprehensive answers.Now, we need to be able to explain to people that the faith they have, the churches they were brought up in (non-Orthodox), the ways their parents and grandparents believed are not entirely wrong. I know how it is, a very difficult conversation, not to throw them into despair and neither give them false hope about the question of Salvation outside of Orthodoxy. At the end of the day, it is truly not up to us to decide who will enter His kingdom.
>>525788790I don't know what OP thinks but there's no way that heaven wouldn't have free will, that's just absurd We aren't puppies being trained not to chew on slippers, we are children of God
>>525788344>It is physically impossible to trace it back in an unbroken link to the primordial goo evolutionists posit we all came from.Amino acids form into proteins by doubling up, and protien formed in the ocean as single cells organisms with similar behaviors. See pic>>525788251>Even Charles Darwin said at the end of origin of species (I'll paraphrase because I'm sleepy) 'I can not prove or disprove the theory of evolution, but it seems as if a DIVINE HAND is pushing alongDemocractus discovered evolution thousands of years ago, from sea to man,.,, and Darwin was just one scientists who wrote one part of it, sexual selection. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus>>525788409>Finally, a real Christian thread. It's a KGB thread.Real Christians don't hang out on a porn anime degenerate shit hole like this place.
>>525788790Order of heaven changes due to a number of celestial inteligences falling as stated in scripture with us replacing them. Also a double entendre because heavens also refers to the cosmos aside from earth.
>>525788265I live my life by my own set of moral laws. I value my self has someone who's able to dicern what is good and evil by myself. What I said about not thinking there's a meaning behind life, I had more of a general idea of the human presence on our planet. I think im general, people one who arent religious usually find a meaning for their own life. Could be big things or small every day stuff.
>>525788892Correct. Orthodox theology asserts free will within heaven.
>>525788561I think you misunderstand something that a lot of people do without deeper biological and genetic studies. So for example, the finches with the different beaks sizes, and the butterflies that look different because of the pollution from London (2 of the famous examples of the theory of evolution)There is NOT a change in the genetics in these examples. It may seem that way and certainly I believed it so. But what you learn in deeper science studies is that the difference is in the gene expression, the epigenome. To explain it simply, the genes are the same, but the "light switches" are turned on or off on different onesIf that doesn't make sense please tell me and I will try to explain better before I fall asleep Here's a simple proof. If evolution is real, it would have been monetized by now. Everything gets monetized somehow and someway. But why not evolution? Because it doesn't exist. The closest we got is some DNA manipulation via the CRISPIR molecule which helps rich people pick the babies eye color (again GENE EXPRESSION, not gene change or evolution or devolution)
>>525788955Can you kill yourself in heaven?
>>525788936Sounds stupidly subjective. Almsot anyone could justify themselves by that standard.
>>525788915Ah yes, the KGB wants us to be Christian Dumbass And why shouldn't we be here? This place is full of so many fascinating and niche perspectives on any topic you can can think of. Mostly just comedically bad takes, but still.
>>525788770One could argue it would be nice for God to have allowed us to be born jacked and swole then, yet the journey and the experience of finding God and Christ in the chaos of life is perhaps worth it all and more so, just like the pain and sweat of a workout at the gym outweighs the hardship. Like this?
>>525788790>If heaven is perfect, is there free will in heaven?We are enlightened and perfected by union with God. He says all things will be made known at the final judgement, there will be no misunderstanding. We will be illuminated to the full consequences of every single one of our actions. At that point, the only thing that would actually make you choose evil would be having an evil disposition/personality. But if you knew that one wrong word can have infinite awful ripple effects on your social circle, as the smallest example of such a thing as full understanding of consequences, why would any good-oriented person make a choice that harms another? It's enlightened free will, perfected by God's grace, God who is perfect. God also has free will, yet God is perfect, and this is not a contradiction.Go to an Orthodox Church and talk with people, talk with the priest, we actually care about this kind of conversation on deeper meaning of life.
>>525788916Do you happen to know the scriptures that mention us replacing their place? I don't ask out of disbelief, just for my own further research and understanding
>>525787742>but as far as absolutely required to enter the kingdom of heaven, for my view, all that is needed is Christ, and all else is secondary (I could have worded this better I apologize but I'm close to sleep)Of course, but the Catholic Church carries the torch from generation to generation about how to live the life Christ wants us to live. Without the Church’s teachings, Christs teachings become incredibly subjective. Consider the crazy liberal “Christians” who claim gay marriage is ok, abortion, transgenderism, etc. They all claim it’s biblical and that they’re guided by the Holy Spirit. Without the foundation of the Church, the teachings, and the Sacraments, the Bible can be abused and twisted into something totally different. Remember, Jesus left us with a Church, not a Bible.
>>525785328>>525785409i fail to see the difference between this and evangelical and all other christians since it's all mentally inclined towards ''happening'' especially as like it's in linear fashionthe heavenly order, like the earthly one, is itself an illusion
>>525789017Yeah that's (to grossly oversimplify) what a fallen angel would be. Killing yourself is hard when time isnt linear and death doesnt exist, but that would be the equivalent.
Encompass them completely, Pen them in like cattle to slaughter.
>>525788820They may have portions of the truth, just like a muslim and an atheist can acknowledge certain truths of reality. That doesn't make it any less necessary to be physically united to Christ in Baptism, and a member of the Church. What is salvation? It's not a ticket to heaven. Salvation is the transfiguration of the human soul, by a real relationship and connection and communion with the Holy Trinity. Nobody has this outside of the Church. At best you can muddle through and develop a good disposition through your choices according to what you know, but that is fraught with danger, it is so much better in the Church.
>>525789109"And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them."The process of acknowledging your weaknesses and following the right path to overcome them and become strong feeds the soul, it's the method by which we can become perfected.
>>525789013I don't think this is a good line of argument, have we not effectively commoditised evolution through the selective breeding of all the domesticated plants and animals we rely on? Don't some giant evil companies make customised breeds of wheat or other crops that are resistant to their weed killer or whatever? The problems with evolution are mostly around the rate of change and fixation rate of new genes.
>>525789124Tomorrow I actually begin a year long journey in Latin America. And I will lie talking about God and Christ. I will look for a orthodox church to talk to people for advice too. I know catholic churches will be more common in Latin America, but I will journey for an Orthodox community. I am both excited and nervous, because all of my life I have been a 'man of science and drugs and sex and sin', and my next words, I would have laughed and ridiculed me for this, but I want Jesus Christ as my best friend. I want peace and I want to be a good person and I want to help people. Money and sin lead me to ruin. Before I die, it is logical for me to at least try a different path. I have been selfish all my life. When I go to a orthodox church, I will remember you, anon, and my first question will be to ask how do I defeat my selfishness and anger and sadness
>>525789265Interesting, I’m pretty curious whether there is a path to complete nonexistence in this theology. But its hard to wrap your head around once time is nonlinear since you have to exist in some set period
>>525787185This is utterly false. All of it.>>525789087Because everything in this thread is spiritual deception. Nothing in here leads to salvation. It leads people astray and off the path to salvation.
>>525789124>At that point, the only thing that would actually make you choose evil would be having an evil disposition/personalityWhy would God intentionally make some humans to have this very disposition or personality?
>>525789192It's a tradition that actually predates scriptural canon, though certainly it's present in scripture.Luke 20:34-36And Jesus said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."1 Corinthians 6:2-3Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life!"Hebrews 2:5-9 (quoting Psalm 8:4-6)For it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking. It has been testified somewhere, "What is man, that you are mindful of him, or the son of man, that you care for him? You made him for a little while lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor, putting everything in subjection under his feet." Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.Revelation 3:21The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
>>525789486You're clearly not reading the whole thread
>>525789401Pray to the Holy Trinity, God, for wisdom, enlightenment, to lead you into all truth.https://isidore.co/misc/Res%20pro%20Deo/Prayer%20&%20Missals/orthodox_prayer_book.pdf
>>525786379Geocentric thinking, I like that
>>525785573>You can ask an Orthodox priestorthodox priests marry negros to whites btw
>>525789401*beNot lieWow. That was quite the typo. Maybe it is a sign that I should not talk about God and Christ until I have further understanding and knowledge, so I don't accidenntly led others astray..... very humbling lol>>525789400Good question, and you are clearly intelligent, and the evil company youre talking about is Monsato and they have DESTROYED the agriculture in my country :(((If you will please allow me to help your reasoning be more accurate my brother. Your thought is logical,however it is not a correct line of thinking. Cross species breeding to introduce new genetic combinations is not the same as a theory of evolution Ok here's an example: if I have one jar of peanut butter, and one jar of jelly, and mix these (species cross) I have a "new thing" if I put the jar of peanut butter and jar of jelly on the counter, and wait 1000 years, I mean yeah they'll change, sure, probably grow some mold and shit, but does the base foundation of what a jar of peanut butter is changes? No
>>525789450Yeah, I don't think there's any way to get to complete cessation of consciousness in orthodox theology given how we view time.
>>525789542You make yourself into it. We have free will. If you choose evil things you become more likened to and likely to do evil. If you choose good things you align yourself with good and it becomes easier to do good. Knowledge and experiences compound to shape our will. Can't teach an old dog new tricks, same principle but on the level of eternal immortal human soul
>Credit is a Time Machine
>>525789013I'm not that well versed in biological studies, the general idea of evolution does make sense to me. You can explain further if you're not sleeping and I'll look it up to on internet to give my self a better idea. Look here's a quick example I have that tends to make me believe the theory of evolution is real. Atlantic Salmon on the south shore of Québec can tolerate water temperature up to 18 celsius before dieing from lack of oxygen. Certain populations on the northshore, where rivershores have less trees and thus water being hotter in the summer can tolerate water up to 23 celsius before dieing. Wouldnt that fit the theory of evolution?
>>525789632We (Orthodox clerics in general) try to caution agaisnt it but we can't negate people's free will
>>525789394And the thing is, that is what I needed. Last year, I had "everything i needed and wanted" and man, I was very very close to suicide. I needed to be humbled
>The British caused Nuclear Proliferation
>>525789761There is physical and metaphysical constructs, that we move within.
>>525789486>This is utterly false. All of it.Yup. People who truly follow the comment you’re referring to leave the Bible completely up to interpretation. All of Christianity becomes subjective.
>>525789486You say every thing I said is false. Will you please give a retort on each thing I said and how it is false? If what I said is false, I want to be corrected and I want to know more
>>525789351I do understand that, but it is difficult having to explain to someone that their church is not The Church without sounding "elitist" or dismissive of their faith. Like saying that their Baptism did not count, since it was done outside the Church.I guess I'm just very uneducated.Or maybe sometimes it's easier to show by doing.Oh, that quote of St John Chrysostome is echoed by Isaac the Syrian, that makes sense.
>FDR's last election was 'fortified'. Fake 'isolationist' Wendyll Wilkie visited the USSR pre-war. Cousin Fucker's wife was pen pals with fake British accented Nathan Silvermaster of the eponymous spyring, only surpassed by the Rosenbergs & co., and J Pollard.
>>525789795Indeed
>>525785409Grace can't be "acquired" though. By it's nature grace is a gift that you can't demand
>>525789667Well thats unfortunate
>>525789486>Because everything in this thread is spiritual deception. Nothing in here leads to salvationyou have to understand accountability, and how you interact with moral forces, that in both policy and the person; salvation will come if your willing to accept that.
>>525789866Yeah... Sorry to say, but your baptism didn't count because it was done outside the church. There are things that require the authority of the true priesthood, holding the keys to heaven as were given to Saint Peter.
>>525785328
>>525789866>but it is difficult having to explain to someone that their church is not The Church without sounding "elitist" or dismissive of their faith.Yes, it is easier to show by doing. But I've found that if you have to use words, then try to illuminate what is beautiful instead of denigrate what is false. Remember you have the most beautiful treasure to show this person and you want what is best for them. Think about a kid who just got a new toy for Christmas, he doesn't show his joy by stomping on his friends' toys, instead he shows them his new toy with enthusiasm
>>525785328Where is the Void cult?WHERE IS IT?!?
>>525789038What do you mean exactly.
>>525789795There is form and substance, mind, body, and soul; there a correspondence with that rhythm to consequence.
>>525789922Could be, we'll see.
tl;dr... It's ALL in your mind
>>525789915Grace is acquired by drawing nearer to God. God gives grace to the humble, to those who are struggling to repent and draw nearer to Him. God cannot give grace to someone who doesn't want it, or at the very least is doing things that are apart from and not conducive to spiritual life. There are specific things that trigger God to pour out His grace; prayer is an easy example. But Orthodox Christians have an entire arsenal of ascetic & spiritual life that do this.
>>525788936>I live my life by my own set of moral laws.you have to have objective things, there is subjective things there in proportion to the person.
>>525790224it's not. it's very physical. look up "orthodox incarnational theology"
>>525789742No that's not evolution, no genetic change in the genome , that's adaptation, which is connected to gene expression, muscle growth, fat storage changesA change in tolerance is not genetic change in the genome, only the epigenome of gene expression. A smarter person can explain this better than me but I will try. I'm a nerdy causcian. Africans in Kenya have "better running genetics than me". Eskmos have better tolerance to not being a bitch in the cold than me. If we unraveled our DNA, we would have the same ≈32 billion-ish 4 dna building blocks, GCAT bases. After many thousands of years of breeding and lifestyle, the survivors and ones that produced the most offspring, have a higher gene expression rate for certain survival traits due to those specific environments or lifestyles, and this effect compounds on itself over time, until after many generations, the changes are noticeable. The two salmon you mentioned have the same genes, but perhaps not gene expression as a result of many generations of adaptation. I HAVE the same "running genes" as that one tribe of Kenyan africans that have like 95 of the best 100 long distance runners , but their gene expression of those genes will be way more pronounced than mine.
>>525790117You said you have your own morality based on what you consider right and wrong, and you judge this by your own sense of discerning good and wrong. I'm saying that that is essentially meaningless because someone with completely contradictory morals could justify themselves by the same loose metrics. At best you're reflective of the popular morality of your culture, and at worst you're essentially morally nihilistic
>>525789690Where can I learn more about the orthodox prayer?
>>525790227>that trigger God to pour out His graceYou're disgusting
>>525790261>objective thingseveryone has a heartbeateveryone has to take a breatheveryone sleepseveryone will wake upeveryone makes mistakeseveryone has a fatesome objective thigs I recall
>>525790023Did Jesus say this?
>>525789915It's not about demanding, it's a natural thing occuring. When you sit inside the dark room, by removing the drapes, clearing the windows, slowly and meticulously, more and more light comes it. Our "talents" do not refer to wordly skills, but to the spiritual gifts: patience, charitable kindness, prayer, etc etc, the more you practice something you're already quite good at naturally, the more you will be given. Grace is something that shows you that you're on the right path.
>>525789124>Go to an Orthodox Church and talk with peopleNah, I'm not a Communist.
>>525789591Thank you brother, God bless you>>525789576Thank you for helping me learn more ITT, truly bless you both
>>525790474>patiencepatience and actionvery importantthat something I always try to use
>>525790383Okay yes I understand, that makes it clear.
>>525790445It doesn't matter what anyone says they'll just make it up ad infinitum until it fits their particular level of cope.That's christianity.
>>525785328https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kbkysPTnHcSocial media has primed an environment where this type of degeneracy is not only accepted, it thrives. Social media desensitizes and radicalizes even moderates into believing heinous and abhorrent behavior is acceptable under the correct context. Spend just 5 minutes on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, you will find hordes of these deranged people. They exist among us. The FBI knows about them but never acts until it is far too late. Western society is on a one-way fast track to collapse as long as social media continues to destroy minds and decay the culture.
>>525790474>Grace is something that shows you that you're on the right path.you will in that journey find temptation from the world
>>525789742Also read my comment here about the peanut butter and jelly. That analogy sometimes help people understand a bit better than a lot of science words>>525789659
>>525790553>Twitter, Facebook, Redditthese things make people less accountable, hypersensitive, it causes people to think that social media pulls the weight, but the person does not want to pull their own weight
>>525785328>purgatory isn't real, it was made up by the vaticanBut you believe in the Eucharist?
>>525790414Number 1. Go to an Orthodox Church.Number 2. Here's the incredibly common "little red prayer book" in PDF format:https://isidore.co/misc/Res%20pro%20Deo/Prayer%20&%20Missals/orthodox_prayer_book.pdfNumber 3. Go to an Orthodox Church again, because and I stress this, we cannot do anything alone. More multiple reasons, everything in the Orthodox spiritual life is communal, guided, we need reference and an anchor, we need correction and accountability. So best way is to ask a priest, and talk with real Orthodox Christian people in person. "Nobody is saved alone"
>>525790511You thibk we all follow russia? They're one of 14 autocephalus chirches, and they're in schism woth constantinople. We don't have a central leader (though, shocker, Russia still tries to claim they're the leaders because of course they do)
>>525790474Grace given to the unworthy repentant is heavier and far more jovial than the grace given to the servant that always listens and followed orders.You can treat him like a machine, judge, or a law to follow. Or you can treat him as your father.
>>525790424Do you find my language upsetting? I didn't mean it negatively. God gives us the steps and the tools necessary to help us in our struggle against our fallen nature. It's plain in any self-examination that something draw you nearer to God than others. Unless you suggest that you can be an equivalent Christian drinking at a bar in a casino, as opposed to spending the evening in prayer. God gives grace to who? Obviously we can draw conclusions.
>>525790685Memes have a strange hold over some people. That has caused certain societal problems. Where people cannot interact properly.
>>525785328Shouldn't this be an x thread?
>>525790735>Number 1. Go to an Orthodox Church.>Go find a location to submit to slavery under my lesser deity. You cant make this shit up.
>>525790402>You said you have your own morality based on what you consider right and wrong, and you judge this by your own sense of discerning good and wrong. I'm saying that that is essentially meaningless because someone with completely contradictory morals could justify themselves by the same loose metricsWell, I agree with that. He could justify himself with the same metric I just used. And if he did something let's say wrong, I would adress the situation I guess?I would also agree I'm reflective of the popular morality of my culture more than being morally nihilistic. Arent most people morally reflective of their culture? I'm curious where you're trying to get to with this based on the previous things that I said about not needing religion to give me a sense of what's good and bad.
>>525790424forgot pic, maybe unrelated
>>525789849Sure, mainly for the sake of anybody reading this who's actually interested in salvation.>All you need is God and Christ.False.Baptism is necessary.John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38 Being holy and doing good works is necessary.Matt. 7:21, John 15:2, Matt. 16:27>YOU are the church.False. The church is the Mystical Body of Christ.Matt. 16:18-19, Col. 1:18, 1 Cor. 12:27, Rom. 12:4, Col 2:19, Eph 4:15Only those who are validly baptized and in a state of Grace are living members of the Mystical Body of Christ.John 15:1-6>Jesus never said you need to get on your knees in front of a random old guy and let him put a small piece of bread on your tongue.The Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist is necessary, biblical and comes directly from Christ himself.>"He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever."John 6:48-58Only priests properly ordained in apostolic succession have the power to consecrate the Eucharist and to absolve sin (penance).John 20:21-23also, Acts 6:1-6
>>525790914>>525790866
>>525790532Glory to God
>>525785328is there any books you'd recommend in general or for a dummy to read?
>>525790983>"No You" shall be the whole of the lawIs there anything more based than this folks?
>>525790965Your reply doesn't add any value to the conversation or have any argument, it's just impotent seething. Demons are mad when Church is in forward advance in normal conversation with normal people
>>525790620yeah, this also makes sense.
>>525791040I do not have the energy left tonight to give you the proper reply your post deserves, and im thankful for your thoughtful response. I took a screenshot of the post just in case the thread is gone tomorrow morningIll go over the verses you mentioned and will ponder
>>525791118I do not do that anymore, I do not like the occult, I used to; it destructive to the person. I used to be into that sort of material thelema.
>>525791217I will say the Hermetic axioms, helpful to the person to keep a understanding of the world around them.
>>525791040Everything you said is true, according to Orthodoxy, though I didn't read every Scriptural quote given in support of said statements.
>>525785328Purgatory is the only logical conclusion.
>>525790866how does this contradict what I said in my two earlier posts? It doesn't. Utilizing our experience to draw nearer to God is not treating Him like a machine. Maybe you should humble yourself and practice withholding judgement and not sperg out with "disgust" at another Christian as soon as you hear a few words you don't immediately gel with.
>>525785328WHERES YOUR SUMMA THEOLOGIAE ORTHOBROS
>>525791586>Bless my enemiesWhat a fucking joke. get out the door you dumb fucking clown. lmao.Imagine being this fucking retarded and gay.
>>525791488Logic is not the root of the Christian life. Let alone the revealed faith once delivered to the Saints. In fact we must crucify logic if it hinders us and leads to theological egotism. Roman Catholics are afraid to say "i don't know" because it requires being humble and admitting some things don't have a square answer that fits in a box.
Here's my cirno-9-baka "science paper"It contains no math.Nor science.It's all from the shower and dreams.https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/524539377/ https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/524657141/ https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/524766314/ https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/525050418/ https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/525145342/ https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/525275898/
>>525791653thanks for bumping the thread, that's an example of why I love my enemies, they all do God's will! Genuinely thanks
>>525791704Stop posting then faggot and go into your own homosexuality. You are an evangelist while pretending not to be. Suck a shotgun.
>>525791777>that's an example of why I love my enemiesIf I found your little gay ass, i'd kill you. Love me fucking cuck.
>>525791777Why the frog?
>>525788561Look up "protocells emerge in experiment simulating lifeless world". The experiment was supposedly successful in reproducing abiogenesis.I don't think this means we are soulless man-apes though, due to personal experience, and I'm also skeptical since the propagation of the "n-n-nothing matters morty" philosophy is very beneficial to our deeply spiritual/demonic elites.
>>525791596Where's your St Paisios? Most Roman Catholic acclaimed saints exhibit all the classic signs of prelest. It's like they're more fanatical charismatics than Pentecostals. Their visions and experiences are so carnal and appeal to the passions, it's all weird. Not at all like the Holy Fathers of the first millennium, even and perhaps especially in the West. Compare St Patrick, or St Ambrose of Milan, or St Benedict, to anyone later on who got obsessed with the demonic "stigmata' thing.
>>525791931frog a cute
>>525791931I do not like that frog, let me quote from the Book of Revelation, 16:13 and I saw unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon.That verse there makes me not like the frog.
>>525791964>protocellsalmost read protcelsLord have mercy of me for this jokegoing to bed
>>525792041I know he supposed to be funny, he feels good man, but it causes chaos
>>525791887You're probably a gay teenager, but when youre older and more mature, you'll have less anger and haterl in your heart. Hopefully you'll stop being gay too but idk the future
>>525791964Alright I'll look it up, in the mean time. What's a soul anon?
>>525791981Do you love me honey *Smooch* *Smooch*
>>525792046frog gross, likened to unclean spirit for that reasonhoweverfrog can be made to serve good, be beautiful symbol, like CrossCross evil, instrument of vile torture by pagan RomansCross became holy sword of Christ, the instrument of the destruction of death forever, the greatest hope of humankind
>>525792085>You're probably a....Your probably a faggot fantasizing about gay teens, you have some real issues. I'd execute you desu.
>>525790040Yeah, I was referring to my friends, people I care about. I myself was baptized Orthodox as young kid. Other Christian denominations are sometimes holding on to the masts of the sinking ships, saying that's the best they can do and basta.It's just difficult to educate others without educating yourself first. Knowing what you believe in is very important. And nothing gives a clearer worldview or explains the world, where it comes from and where it's going better than Orthodoxy. Even with questions that have no answers that we can give.Excluding the edgy dinosaurs or why can't God stop the suffering of babies types ;dBut we do have the books. And mysteries. Thanks for the thread friend, God bless! Should be up constantly in a place like this, with the recent filthy (and futile) shilling.
>>525792200We are still friends here, lets go out to the desert, and live like Saint Anthony the Abbot.
My question for this thread is why are there so many similarities between the gods of pagan religions and Jesus, and also astrology.Just coincidence? Is Jesus' real story altered to accommodate for the beliefs already established at the time?
>>525792301Sometimes I want to live like desert hermit, I like the desert fathers, not too knowledgeable in their sayings.
>>525792200>destruction of death forever, the greatest hope of humankindHow is the destruction of death a good thing? Imagine hating death like some boomer bitch on dialysis. You are all little fearful vermin. Gay rat cope. death is good.You scurry under christ because you are cowards lmao.
>>525791409>according to OrthodoxyOrthodoxy is contrary to Christ's teachings. They also reject the primacy of the Pope, which is biblical.>And having called his twelve disciples together, he gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, and all manner of infirmities. And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother, James the son of Zebedee, ..."Matthew 10:1-4"The first" indicates Peter was chief among all the apostles, in other words the first Pope. Peter was not the first apostle to follow Christ.>And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.Matt. 16:18-19Bible warns against schismatics:Romans 16:17, 2 John 1:10-11, Ephesians 4:3-6
>>525792262Glory to Jesus Christ.Be the change you wish to see. Sometimes I just post the psalter and each post is an image quote of the Holy Fathers. Anything to have an excuse to expose more people to a single Icon, a single line of healing words from the Saints.
>>525792312The Romans had a god for everything, like the door and the door hinge, according to Augustine, I like his sort of humor. Some of them worthy of listening to like Seneca or Epictetus, I learned something from them.
>>525792335What about what Charlemagne did, he had the spear of destiny according to legend, I am not fond of Charlemagne.
>>525792301>>525792325You can live like St Anthony the Great today. Just look at Fr Seraphim Rose.
>>525785328>purgatory isn't real it's made up by the Vatican>brought to you by the people that believe in aerial toll housesThe Orthodox view on purgatory is functionally identical to the Catholic view btw, it's just become an online orthobro talking point to say otherwise.
>>525785328redpill me on Iconography and if the catholic church is right in labeling it as heretical
>>525791704And yet we naturally use logic when nonsensical blobs begin to take shape and connect with each other. And when that's done we push it maybe a bit harder than we should, but that's always inevitable, isn't it?>admitting some things don't have a square answerWhy not all things? Either everything has an answer or nothing has. Being selective is quite stupid.
>>525792469I am a drug addict honestly, I sometimes want to give everything up, and live like Saint Anthony, you talking to a junkie sorry but that is my problem; but I try to be positive.
>>525792137I'm not a Christian, but in my empirical search using what you could call meditation, I've found that if you stare at the darkness that is your consciousness, beyond your ego and your thoughts, and try to actually feel it like a limb, it feels unmoving and eternal.That's what the soul is to me, personally.
>>525792335You reject the pope too, because he (and the entire vatican, in one of your "ecumenical councils" vatican II) says the Orthodox Church has valid Sacraments. We are literally THE Church approved by God, according to roman catholic dogma. It's just that Orthodoxy doesn't affirm the same about catholicism, we actually stick to there being One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
>>525791077https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBwH2iYC-8cHere a good book, this guy was a wise slave.
>>525792617Bro have you heard of Fr Seraphim Rose? He was much worse than you at his worst, I guarantee. But he overcame that by God's grace and became an incredible American ascetic and Holy Father, through immense struggle of course, but also a desire for the truth stronger than any other desire. Read about him.
>>525792632>I meditated.I can see with my eyes closed. Get on that level.
>>525792664Many books have been lost.
>>525792691>bro heave you ever heard...Have you ever heard of you posting that nigger frog in various situations makes you gay.
>>525792691What are some of his sayings? I know some Greek not much like metanoia pronoia pneuma, it is a compound language.
>>525791077Sorry I missed this comment. Read the Ladder of Divine Ascent by St John Climacus.If you aren't kidding about the "dummy" part, then read "The Orthodox Way" by Metropolitan Kallistos Ware.
>>525792767There number science to the Bible, both the Old and New Testaments have numbers there under the words.
>>525792767Well in his Icon i posted earlier is his most famous "It's later than you think; hasten to do the work of God"Seriously read about him, he's not Greek, he's about as normal American as we've ever had of a Saint (even though he's not canonized a Saint yet, too early for that)
>>525792312As far as the pagan holidays - in the early Christians replaced them with the holidays that the Church had during the same dates. And it wasn't difficult. Not to subvert, but to dignify and to show that the real treasure is the faith in Christ. Pagan religions may have had some similarities like the stories of the Great Flood or the far-fetched odin's blood eagle tree etc etc, but none of the paganistic rituals dared to have their gods accept the most humiliating death and sacrifice. It's just unheard of before Christ completely defies logic. As for astrology - shumerians used it to predict the wind currents, weather changes for their crops. Had nothing to do with human "destinies" before the times of Babylon (?) probably. The answer is just that the imps and devils gave this little useless toy as an esoteric knowledge. In reality it's quite silly, your souls is not on some cosmic path, predefined and deterministic. Your state can change at any second, that's much more scary. My answers are bad, but you can look into it yourself.
>>525792710https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32lvo8NTvQ8classic book here, I think Socrates went with Xenophon and escaped prison.
>>525792850Why they wear black clothes? I wear a hat like that.
>>525792220I can't take your message seriously when you don't know the difference of your and you're, I'm moving ok from you lol >>525792083You're giving the power to the symbol
>>525792863This for ffs don't listen to this larping nigger cult, listen to the OG's. It makes you not a slave but a participant.
>>525786181I wonder if kids that get molested feel like rejoiceing
>>525792901symbolizes death to the world (death to worldly passions, self denial)
>>525792932I am a participant in my own right, not with the crowd, I am not part of the crowd, but I am listening to them.
>>525792910Man the homosexuality runs deep. It's going to come to light one day. Be ready for that.
>>525792546The catholic church says jews go to heaven (nostra aetate) and muslims worship the same God (abu dhabi document). Why care what greedy corrupt and blatantly retarded kabbalah practicing satanist paedophiles have to say about any matter?
>>525786558So you're turk/mongol/hunnic?
>>525785328Can you explain to me how to use internal alchemy to cure myself of any addiction. Including addictions to sugar or fapping and porn.
Imagine that you are sitting on an anti-christian forum for 3 hours and think that you are performing some great religious act
>>525785328Good post. Basically all true >purgatory isn't realRemember the Jesus parable about the 4 servants? This is one of the scriptural bases for purgatory. The master of the house is at a wedding party and it’s getting late. One of his 4 servants stays up and attentive, preparing for his master’s return. He is rewarded (heaven). Another servant is angry about the delay and starts drinking and beating the other servants. He is cut in half (hell). Another servant knows the master is coming back but decides to sleep, and receives a severe beating. The last servant doesn’t know the master is coming back and gets a light beating. So the question is of course, what are severe and light beatings in the context of heaven and hell? A beating is brutal, but not death like being cut in half is. A beating you will recover from and will get up and serve the master again. This makes room for a heaven-bound state of purification. You have to be holy and perfect to enter heaven because the Father cannot commune with sin. Your worldly attachments must be purged in this life with the commands of Jesus. If you have faith in Jesus but have failed to transform, that transformation must still happen.
>>525792932I am a slave yeah, but I am a shepherd in my mind.I will reply with some more books, that I have read.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO74jOuNqXkHerodotus made some good history.
>>525792938Orthodox, not roman catholic. We don't have that problem, roman catholics made their clergy celibate as a requirement, after the great schism and they split from the Orthodox Church.Nobody feels like rejoicing in a serious struggle. Understanding is a gift from God. Only the highest advanced in the spiritual life, well versed in this, can experience suffering late in life and truly thank God for it.
>>525786291Every believer is a saint. The idea of an official approved list of sainthood is a byzantian-talmudic invention.
>>525785328Based OP.
>>525790445Not word for word obviously but yeah
>>525792546read the 7th Ecumenical Council. roman catholics supposedly adhere to that, but it says Iconography is not just valid, it is necessary and right that we venerate Icons and to not do so is a rejection of God.
>>525793060I'm not an anti Christian but most of the sub clades are retarded, they had enough time to grow into grotesque monstrosities and none of them come close to the real rebel dildo christianity that started it.
>>525793080https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2OFC23y5BY&list=PL1yUZqNuCk0SnEZNPUUnHrA8Q4x6hyF1tSome more history, Diodous Siculus, he talks about some interesting stuff
>>525787140Anyone who prays to Mary goes to hell
>>525793030internal alchemy doesn't exist. You can't cure any passions without God's grace given as a result of your repentance and struggle to turn away from the sin, and the grace of the Holy Mysteries.
>>525788122>animals transform into a different animal observably in real lifeThe mind on sciencism
>>525792977>>525793080I'm not a slave, let me reference the greeks to cop out.FUCKING HAHdumbfucks.
While you're right about a lot of things the "forbidden" knowledge is that in the highest echelons of Christianity, Melqart/Adon is worshipped. Melqart is where the word Moloch came from (the Punic word is "mlk" which means sacrifice due to the sacrifices). Melqart is Baal, the dying-and-rising God, that goes all the way back to Sumeria as both Dumuzid and Ningishzida. The Canaanites called Ningishzida Eshmun who is akin to Attis and is seen with his serpents, and they called Dumuzid Baal Hadad, Melqart, and Adon. This is obviously hidden under a mountain of symbolism but the dying-and-rising God is a God of human sacrifice. The Phoenicians were called the "Arri", by the way. >Dyaus-Pitr/Anu/El/the Father
>>525793030>internal alchemy to cure myself of any addictionThere’s no esoteric hidden knowledge way to get better. You pray to God consistently to heal you and then cooperate with His grace. Routine prayer delivered me from demonic oppression, benzodiazepine/alcohol addiction, rage, and countless other things. God is good. His yoke is easy and His burden is light.
>>525792709Never said it was deep or esoteric.I do want to get into lucid dreaming and creating an alter and trying to astral project at some point, but it's a lot of work.
>>525793060I think nothing of myself. I'm just along for the ride, I'm honestly amazed at the providence God works in this type of interaction, I get to witness it first hand, it's miraculous.
>>525793280Lycurgus created enslavement, your also a slave; it could be to your pleasures.
>>525793280I do not always listen to Greeks, I like geography books, I do not like epicurus.
>>525793018Utterly false.>It firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart “into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels”, unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.Pope Eugene IV, Cantate Domino, ex Cathedra, 1441
>>525793135you are nothing like St Paisios. Nothing at all. Neither am I.
>>525793340lmao.>>525793341> I'm honestly amazed at the providence God works in this type of interactionhe's hitting that bussy at differnt angles.
>>525788955Orthodox theology also asserts the existence of purgatory. You light candles and pray to icons of angels and saints in blatant displays of idolatry. You are like the ancient israelites bringing idols into the temple. You worship a pagan and polytheistic pantheon. Orthodoxy is not Christianity. It is demonic.
>>525793099Orthodox definitely have that problem same as every other organization with people in positions of power over children. They just aren't a good punching bag for western media because no one outside of eastern europe and parts of the middle east knows they exist or cares about them.
>>525793430Get your nigger frog off the lawn, NIGGER.
>>525787065You're right about the walking before running. So what would be the milk in this case?The Desert Fathers are very inspiring, but of course, they had to be there. There was a book that said something like "if they were born during our times they would probably struggle to reach such hights", and that the saits of the latter days would look completely different and their little "holiness" would have similar worth by doing less spiritual work. Because of scarcity. I digress, but to whitepill /pol/ today anything works imo . Those who seek shall find.
>>525791704Now that's just nonsense Reason is a sacred thing Every bit of logic is of God And when it is is not good, it is not true reason but an imitation and a corruption of it, crafted by devils to fool you with just barely enough truth to trust it as it leads you into greater lies
>>525793396Any of the gods, honestly I think simply people; heroes who destroy cities, like heracles; that was a man, he made mistakes.
>>525789400Breed =/= speciesCan't turn one animal into another? Didn't prove in evolution, simple as. Stop coping and see the light already.
>>525793277>>525793327Yeah, I figured that's the way. I've been praying. Was just hoping for a cheat code. Ty
>>525793533ninus\osirisanubis macedonthree dogs
>>525789401You won't find that at an orthodox church. You'll find ishtar worshippers invoking the divine feminine calling her "mary" and praying to anyone and everyone other than God any time they need something. They have a special leprechaun saint to help you make sure your shoes are tied and everything. Really paganistic despicable misrepresentation of Christ.
>>525793582That person ninus was crazy he had too much power, war defeated him; he is said to the be the first to wage war in the way we know it.
>>525793306another slop comment such as I referenced here:>>525786557Get back to me when your slop knowledge you spent thousands of hours studying actually makes you a better person.
>>525786707it's not about being mysterious, it's just that not everyone is going to get it. so it's best not to deal with the broad swaths of retards with slave minds and instead invite people who actually have an internal monologue
>>525793556God doesn't work through cheat codes, and you cannot serve two masters. No wonder your prayers weren't working,
Catholic here. I'm going through OCIA now and will be baptized in a few months. I really love Orthodox aesthetics and enjoy reading their works. It's a shame they don't submit to Rome.
>Thither, then, thou must carry me up with thine own hands, aided by what friends thou wilt; thou shalt lop many a branch from the deep-rooted oak, and hew many a faggot also from the sturdy stock of the wild-olive; thou shalt lay my body thereupon, and kindle it with flaming pine-torch. And let no tear of mourning be seen there; no, do this without lament and without weeping, if thou art indeed my son. But if thou do it not, even from the world below my curse and my wrath shall wait on thee for ever.Basically, the sacrifices join the pure consciousness because they're freed from any ties to the human body and the soul that moves through samsara by the grace of Atar/Agni, the fire itself, which carries things to the Gods. As it says, they're commanded to not cry during this, so they wore/wear these masks while they sacrifice their first born through fire. So yeah man, I know a lot of you may not believe it but Jesus never existed and Christianity is the religion of Baal.
>>525786229>nd Gnostics were a pissed off sect of Judeans in Alexandria larping as Platonists so they could infiltrate the schools.retard
The truth is we’re all poopy butts. Every single one of us.
>>525793773>baaltu baal cainvulcan
Are you ready for the ultimate redpill? Paul was the antichrist.>Randomly comes out of nowhere once Jesus dies>Created church hierarchy when Jesus said not to>Created a system of pay for the church when Jesus said not to>Said faith alone will get you into heaven when Jesus said you must do good works>Convinced people to pray to Jesus, even though Jesus said to pray to GodNo one has turned more people away from God than Paul. If you've ever wondered why Christianity is so different than what Jesus says, blame Paul.
>>525793620Wew, such angst.Trinity, Christ are adressed so much more than the Saints.You know the logic. Praying to Christ for a manager's position at Wendy's is a little meh.But you can bother a saint about a little guidance during the interview. Or rather ask him to ask Him. Because the saint is on good terms, if you know what I mean. But let's not be kids about it. Prayer is a serious act.
>>525793779They talked about the demiurge, they have this duality about them.
>>525793728You have your whole life ahead of you, and roman catholics dogmatically declare that the Orthodox Church has valid sacraments. If you explore your love of Orthodoxy, there is no reason not to, I think you will find the spiritual fruits much more life-giving. Even if the one quote about the keys repeated by roman catholic apologists gives your heart a hangup, the pope and the vatican still affirm God deems the Orthodox Church One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic.
>>525793430The word "saint" means holy ones in Greek and Hebrew. Paul addresses every member of every church as "the saints in... x location". David also refers to all believers as the Lord's saints throughout the Psalms. It isn't a special rank or title. It just means a believer in Jesus Christ. None of you study scripture, Koine Greek, or the actual early church history. Your ignorance is pitiful. You are the blind leading the blind. Intellectually lazy people who would rather defer to fallible men you call priests and manmade traditions that have nothing to do with God nor the teachings of the Holy Bible. Orthodoxy is an almost identical perversion of Christ's ministry to catholicism. The differences are semantical. Autistically clinging to nonsense obstinately is not an argument. You are objectively and demonstrably wrong.
>>525793835None of that is true though
>>525793939>The Greeks...>who speak Koine Greek...>don't study the Scriptures in Koine Greek.Do you not see how unreasonable you are being?The fact that you said Orthodoxy is identical to roman catholicism in the first place is an indicator to me that you know absolutely nothing about Orthodox Christianity.Also, Sola Scriptura is a protestant "tradition of man"
>>525793728Good luck on your journey fren>>525793900The Catholic Church declares that the Orthodox are schismatics with valid sacraments and apostolic succession, and so you shouldn't go to them for Mass/sacraments except if it's the last possible option. Additionally I've never met an IRL Orthodox parish that wanted Catholics to attend Mass or receive the sacraments there unless they were interested in conversion, as they consider us heretical as well as schismatic.
>>525793854Demonic false teacher. You are unsaved. You were too lazy to research what scripture actually said, so you blindly defered to an authority figure. You aren't virtuous or clever for doing so. You're ignorant and a coward. You have no wisdom nor goodness to offer anyone, banging cymbal. God cares about everything we care about, and we are COMMANDED to pray to Him and ONLY HIM about anything and everything. When Jesus is asked how to pray He says "Our father" not our mother our brother our cousin etc. Not a single person anywhere in all of scripture prays to anyone other than God. There is no singular example. It is a pagan and demonic practice. Repent or go to hell. Your choice.Philippians 4:6-7New American Standard Bible 19956 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. 7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all [a]comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.1 Thessalonians 5:16-18New American Standard Bible 199516 Rejoice always; 17 pray without ceasing; 18 in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.1 Peter 5:6-7New American Standard Bible 19956 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you at the proper time, 7 casting all your anxiety on Him, because He cares for you.
>>525786821you need some humor in life :)
>>525793854Scripture is extremely clear. We pray to God for anything and everything we need. He cares for a sparrow and for every hair on our head. There isn't a tiered system of lesser being you pray to. This is paganistic nonsense like praying to the rain God or the harvest God, depending on what you need. When the centurion wanted his son healed, he ASKED JESUS to send an angel, not an angel to send Jesus, contemptible and biblically illiterate papist imbecile.
>>525793728Also, you could always look into the Eastern Catholic Churches if you like more eastern aesthetics or theology while remaining in communion with the Pope.
>>525793655Look, you're being taken for a ride dude. You should at least know that the true message is to die before you die like Baal/Baldr does every year (sun cycle), but you don't know what you worship. The "elite" aren't some fringe cult, they run the biggest religion on Earth, Christianity.
>>525793900You teach that apocryphal texts that say tou can pay silver to lessen one's suffering in purgatory are canon and worship idols in your church. No one in your congregation knows scripture, because all you do is chant in greek and performatively bow before incense. You are a circus freak show, not a house of God.
>>525794284If God responds to us when we call Him down upon the gifts, and He forgives us in Holy Confession, and He unites to us and dwells within us in Holy Baptism and Chrismation, then what exactly is your point about being "schismatic" worth? Schismatic from rome, yet rome says we are valid given God's own approval. The truth is roman catholicism is a mess of contradictions and everyone knows this because the popes have been radically at war with your tradition for decades now. Where is your St Paisios?
>>525794089>can't address actual argument even remotely or whatsoeverI accept your concession, and ignore the moronic overall sentiment of the rhetoric you attached to it.
>>525794377>Scripture is extremely clear. We pray to GodIt's clear that yiou would suck my dick faggot. imagine being such a gay prole. Fuck your god and fuck you nigger slave,. >Oh no no don't say that my god is a slave master and once MASSA hears what you says he's gonna be real big mad.Yeah you are fearful trash creature.
>>525794089>only believing the actual confirmed and agreed upon words of Jesus Christ = "a manmade tradition"I think this is casting pearls before swine. If you were intelligent enough to understand anything I'm saying you'd just worship God like John the Baptist, Paul, or Peter, not wear fancy hats and live in golden palaces like the pharisees.
>>525794466Orthodox Christians don't believe in purgatory. That is a roman catholic invention. You literally don't know anything about Orthodox Christianity.
>>525794300Hey now hold on there brother You're right of course about prayer, but "or go to hell" is not your call to make There are precious few things that we know are certain to bring damnation, and not a single one of them can be done out of ignorance like this fella here is doing
>>525794657>No, the Eastern Orthodox Church does not believe in the Roman Catholic doctrine of purgatory, viewing it as a later innovation, but they do believe in an intermediate state where souls experience a foretaste of their final judgment, with prayers of the living helping those souls. While Orthodox Christians pray for the departed and believe in a process of spiritual purification (purgation), they reject purgatory's juridical, "debt-paying" aspects and its portrayal as a third, fixed place. >"We don't believe in purgatory... we just believe in a place that is exactly like purgatory, but it isn't called purgatory! Checkmate, liberals!"
>>525794761>is not your call to make That's right, find the nearest deity and suck his weakness cock. What the fuck is wrong with you idiots?
>>525794761Praying to a being other than God is witchcraft. Sorcerors go to hell, according to the Apostle John's revelation.
>>525794771Come on, I'm not Catholic or Orthodox and even I can see it's a different thing with very different consequences of believing in it
>>525794631It literally is a manmade tradition. The Bible did not fall down on a cloud from heaven, it was given to you by the Church. The first person to name the exact canon of the modern Bible as you know it was Saint Athanasius the Great, guess what, an Orthodox Bishop, Patriarch of Alexandria. And even at that, the Protestant reformers removed books from the Biblical canon. Your Bible is incomplete.>>525794771Why are you attacking an AI summary as a strawman? That's not true at all and neither is your conclusion from it. It's literally the definition of the strawman fallacy.
>>525794843Citation needed
>>525794843the amazon, the zoroastrian, the hindu, the shaman, the polytheist, the double minded
>>525794843>To the father*.Deus-Pater is the Vedic Dyaus-Pitr, the Sky Father or pure consciousness. This is the Canaanite God "El" in the context we're talking about.
>>525794300"Does the Bible say we should approach the saints with our prayers? Yes, in two places. In Revelation 5:8 John saw the Lamb, Christ Jesus, on a throne in the midst of four beasts and 24 elders. When the Lamb took the book with the seven seals, the 24 elders fell down before the Lamb in worship, “each one having a harp and golden bowls of incenses, which are the prayers of the saints.”Similarly, in Revelation 8:3-4 we are told that something similar happened when the Lamb opened the seventh seal of the book: “Another angel came and stood on the altar, having a golden censer, and many incenses were given to him, in order that he will give it with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne. And the smoke of the incenses went up with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God.”"God shares our prayers with the saints allowing them to intercede on our behalf.
>>525785994>we are upfront with the basics.including our flags btw
>>525794495The Church is One, as well as Holy, Universal, and Apostolic. Simply holding to right belief is not enough if you are not also united to your brethren. Rome says you have kept the true faith, and admirably so, but out of pride you have separated yourself from communion with those who would be your brothers. The truth is that you don't see schism as serious because it's the logical outcome of the fundamentally broken Orthodox (and Protestant) ecclesiastical structure. You cannot reconcile simple questions like whether Christian converts should be rebaptized, whether contraception is licit, or matters of jurisdiction between Patriarchs, let alone complex matters like calling another binding ecumenical council.
>>525785328Nice metaphysics you just conjured up out of thin air. It still carries the "personal god" trope though, so..
>>525794901You don't even know what the church is, what a church is, or what the word church means. In Koine Greek, ekklesia means assembly or congregation, anywhere two or more are gathered is "the church". Jesus' disciples tried to rebuke random people they had never met for casting out demons. Jesus said anyone who is not against us is with us. Humanity was created to be the temple, church, house, body, and bride of the Spirit of Christ Jesus, our Lord. The canon of the Bible was well agreed upon and accepted, being circulated during the actual lives of the apostles, before being formally officialized in the 4th century. St Jerome, who translated the Latin Vulgate, explicitly stated it was NOT CANON. It was canonized at the 16th century council of trent after the protestant reformation.You know nothing about the Bible, the church, nor Jesus Christ. The church is an invisible and universal body of believing souls. It has nothing to do with earthly organizations nor authority. It is not a physical or material building nor a special club you can keep people out of. It is nothing of this world. That is satan's domain. Your institution is a for profit corporation and an abomination that is an instrument of the devil's kingdom, not God's.
Friendly reminder that gnostics fuck kids.
>>525794901No it is a completely accurate summary of real orthodox doctrine. The fact that you don't know about your own religion does not change this reality at all.
>>525795138>The Church is Onethe monad, the point of light, then it contracts and pushes out.
>>525795138>Rome says you have kept the true faithYou don't even know what this statement means.
>>525794027>Paul: 1Cor.12: And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third, teachers,>Jesus: Matt23: But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren>Paul: 1Cor.4: For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.>Jesus: Matt.23: And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.Et cetera. Paul contradicting Jesus is well documented, many such cases. Try again Paul worshipper.
>>525794964Revelation 21:8New American Standard Bible 19958 But for the cowardly and [a]unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and [b]brimstone, which is the second death.”I actually forgot it says idolaters, but yea. Y'all going to hell.
>>525795241Then the void and the water separated, and the Heavens and the earth created.
>>525795238You are telling me you know more about my faith than I do. You who had to google an AI summary of something as simple as whether Orthodox Christians accept purgatory.If you don't even know whether an AI summary is right (and accept it blidnly anyway) why do you accept your own interpretation of the Bible?
>>525795156>The church is an invisible and universal body of believing souls.Nonsense. It was a people whom Jesus gave authority. The apostles understood this which is why they acknowledged Peter as their head and why they voted to replace Judas.The apostles were there with Paul and didn't object to his teachings as you seem to.
>>525795120>angels and specific unidentified 24 elders bring prayers to God, therefore pray directly to saints and angels instead of God!Nothing in that scripture affirms, states, nor even remotely implies that. No sane mentally competant person draws these kind of schizophrenic moron conclusions where you insert 10 paragraphs of your own fanfiction into the verse to confirm your bias. Catholicism is a sick delusion and mental disease.
>>525795357>AIseems like a demiurge honestly
>>525795422The ai cannot create anything, only uses what has already been created.
>>525795156This is all your definition. What makes you right and another non-denominational christian wrong? What if he's right and you're wrong? There's 40,000+ different groups claiming something different than you.My goal is not to argue a point or convince you of a theological position. My point in this conversation is to show you that you don't know anything about Orthodox Christianity, and you should be humble enough to recognize that.
>>525790040>Think about a kid who just got a new toy for Christmas, he doesn't show his joy by stomping on his friends' toys, instead he shows them his new toy with enthusiasm.I think that I just cringed out of the ACU (Abrihamic Cinematic Universe) permanently.
>>525795408Christ gives authority to ALL believers by giving Himself to us. He is the greatest gift He can give us, Himself. He IS the authority. His Spirit living inside of you. You are an idiot and behave like a child. You know nothing about the Bible nor Jesus. Sit down, shut up, and learn something, you pompous ass.Mark 9:38-41New American Standard Bible 1995Dire Warnings38 John said to Him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we tried to prevent him because he was not following us.” 39 But Jesus said, “Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me. 40 For he who is not against us is [a]for us. 41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink [b]because of your name as followers of Christ, truly I say to you, he will not lose his reward.
>>525795415Cope and seethe heretic. I'm sure you're smarter than 2,000 years of church theology. After all it's not a sin to rely on your own understanding right?
>>525795422demiurge is a gnostic term, there is no such thing. Gnostics are heretics, among the oldest heretics condemned by the Church
>>525795518I know Canadians are allergic to the idea of being a parent.
>>525795570What do you think the ai represents, according to the end times?
>>525795555>"this verse totally means pray to angels and saints instead of God!">"why does no prophet or apostle ever do that in 66 books of a 1,000+ page document even a single time?">*cricket sounds*A deflection isn't a rebuttal. You forfeit.
>>525794843Oh, are you one of the sola scriptura frens?So, where was the scripture for the first 200 years?The Church couldn't pass the quotations around back then, oh the times.That's why we have tradition. And the first martyrs, first saints and Church Fathers, direct students of the Apostles themselves.And they are all alive in Christ. And they help, the Church says, simple as.You don't dedicate your whole prayers to them, because Christ is the head of the Church, not the apostle Peter, or pope, but you may ask a saint who is venerated by the Church for his life's dedication and work, for a little guidance. Because people have to learn from people, even the angels can't interfere and stop someone from telling falsehoods and herecies. But oh well, sola scriptura will appoint their own clergy, and cut away history and tradition at will, just because.
>>525795618nothing good. but trying to interpret prophecy directly in a 1:1 manner is spiritually prideful, as if we are advanced enough to know (or more accurately, be revealed) that.
>>525795570It goes back to Plato, who I do not agree with on everything; I like Aristotle, I am somewhat of a stoic; but not the epicurean.
>>525795542I've read the entire Bible several times. There are no scriptures you can show me that I am not aware of.You are saying the apostles apostatized after Jesus' death despite Jesus saying his church would never die. If you actually believe what you are saying when you quote those scriptures why do you care so much if somebody believes differently? If they are not against Jesus, they are for him after all.
>>525793229>Anyone who prays to Mary...Anyone who rejects the Virgin gets the Whore.
>>525795686Many people say we in the end times, it feels like the tribulation. The world gets more violent due to social media.
>>525795616All meta-physics is speculation. It's just too bad that you decide to speculate in a cringeworthy manner.
>>525795737I like his geometry, buy a protractor and draw geometric proofs with it.
>>525795511You are a delusional arrogant moron. You believe in a place of "purgation" where souls are purified after death and praying for them helps them. Splitting a hair apart doesn't change the fact that you believe in purgatory. You know nothing about your own religion nor what an anonymous stranger posting on the internet knows about it, and you should be less delusional and prideful enough to admit it. I know it's embarrassing to be corrected by someone about your own beliefs, but just deal with it kid.
>>525795640I gave you 2 scriptures that say the saints have prayers. Your argument is an argument from silence, a fallacy.
>>525795815Meta-physics stops being speculation when it becomes reality. Orthodoxy is "incarnational theology". Google that, canada.
>>525795769>"you're saying the apostles apostatized"Wow your reading comprehension is God awful. No wonder you are orthodox.
>>525785328I have another, I’m gonna blog post for a moment so you can understand where I’m coming from.>Be me>be entering 20s>Be going to church again>graduated year before, spending last moments of adolescence with friends doing psylocybin cubenesis (magic mushrooms)>Lovemyway.mp3>All is good>Another day, another trip>Go to park>go to river.>Sit in the river in just my boxers>be at peace and serenity with the bugs and water>4thjhana.dll>Friends beg me to dive with them in the river from the bridge>They beg>I do it>shitty form, dive like a retard, because retard.>Emerge from water naked>Lost my boxers, don’t care.>return to seating at the shallow side of the river below the bridge.>be at peace>Watch my best friends banter, I smile and emote emotively with emotions>friend’s cousin I don’t know well turns to me distraught “What are you laughing at” says it like offended>”I’m listening to their conversation, if you watch my face you can read my mind.”>Friend’s cousin achieves telepathy, resume good vibes.>later>Everyone circles around me.>Still naked > A friend says >"y'know Anon’s naked and all, but it isn't wierd or anything. Y'know.">everyone agrees>same friend begins pouring river water over my head with a bong. And I forget what stirred me to make the joke but I yelled "Are you baptizing me!?" >Everyone laughs >childhood friend “Anon Baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen”>Insert spirit>Accept the baptism wholeheartedly My question is: Is this a valid baptism? I don’t want to sully the spirit by baptizing twice.Now, I don’t belong to any specific denomination, but I have a defined world view so I’ll write that out in a part 2½
>>525795837>a protractorI have drawn some things like squaring the circle.
>>525795570There is. Enlil flooded the world in Sumerian mythology after his brother Enki (who Jews worshipped alongside Yahweh in the Elephantine Papyri, which also has no record of the events of Exodus ever occuring implying they have a metaphorical meaning) told Ziusudra to build the ark in anticipation of his brothers plans. The Sumerians shared Gods with the Vedics and Enlil is equal to Indra, who is the sensory mind on a microcosmic level. So the demiurge is your sensory mind which not only experiences but stays trapped in what they call Maya, the illusory world, if you don't overcome it.
>>525795777Mary had sex with her husband Joseph, having at least four children with Him. She died not a virgin and was not an evervirgin. She also is not queen of heaven. She is a person like anyone else.
>>525795840>You are a delusional arrogant moronVery Christlike of you.>You believe in a place of "purgation"I do not. It is neither a place nor do we use that word. Why are you continuing to blindly believe an AI summary that I told you was inaccurate?
>>525795862Lol dude my meta-physics says that being a chad and raiding monk monasteries for their gold and fucking lots of women and lifting weights makes my spirit stronger in the afterlife.Checkmate.
>>525795852>saints hold bowls of incense containing prayers>therefore pray directly to them because they can hear you>also it is 24 particular unspecified saints but this means you can pray to any saintI have addressed why this premise is illogical and invalid. I will not repeat myself continuously. You made a point. I countered it. You ignored my counter point. You forfeit.
>>525785328 (OP)>>525795889I have a very perennialist take on Christianity, and often defer to wisdom of yore. I only believe in one God, I identify him as the Source and the totality of the universe, logos. I believe in The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, and that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins and was ressurected. The statement of whether Jesus Christ reincarnated from God is a matter of inspection since I believe everyone is reincarnated by god from Adam and Eve's blood line. I recognize everyone as a particle of God given free will. I occupy a place pontificating Jesus Christ as a person emanated from God, but the nature on the emanation of his divinity and how it relates to people is not something within my knowledge and I am unsure if it is knowable but am amicable to the debate of which. I borrow much of my wisdom from hermeticism, gnosticism, kaballah, plato's platonic world, egyptian concepts of the Ogdoad, buddhism, and the teachings of my ancestors that are the pillars of western culture and esoterica, Carl Jung, Julius Evola, George Washington, etc.2/2
>>525795886I am not Orthodox. You are clearly saying the apostles abandoned the teachings of Christ after his death and that the apostles were wrong to create a visible church with a hierarchy.
>>525796002I'm not blindly believing anything. I understand the orthodox version of purgatory because I am more educated about orthodoxy, Christianity, and in general than you are.
>>525795889No. Baptism is a Sacrament and only Ordained clergy perform Sacraments. The Orthodox Church is the only Church.
>>525796016You don't pray directly to them, the prayers go to the Father who shares them with the Saints who are alive and unified with him in heaven.>You made a point. I countered it. You ignored my counter point. You forfeit.You argue like a child.
>>525795934>Mary had sexBlasphemyJoseph was a widower had children from his first wfe.Protestants are the Cause of Whoredom in the West by rejecting the Virgin.Luther ritually sealed the Whoredom of Protestantism by taking a nun.
>>525796077You have got to be trolling. At least I hope that's the explanation of your incredible behavior. Lord have mercy. God bless you
>>525796027The early churches met in secret inside peoples' houses. Jesus gave literally anyone who believes in Him authority and dominion over all creation. You are a spiritual infant, don't know the first thing about what you're talking about, and are a complete waste of time to talk to.
>>525796128>Prayers go to the Father >>525795052One of the lessons of Vajrayana is that it's necessary to perceive the God as being real until you reach enlightenment, so when you pray with true faith to the Father you're praying to the pure consciousness. It's a mind trick but a powerful one because you're a divine spark and you can effect reality. This is also why you look at the sky when you pray.
>>525796009You are afraid of raising children and now you want to be the "chad" meme?lolol
>>525796211>Jesus gave literally anyone who believes in Him authority and dominion over all creation.Name ONE magic that you did, as a j*sus believer.
>>525795934>I'm not blindly believing anything. I understand the orthodox version of purgatory because I am more educated about orthodoxy, Christianity, and in general than you are.> Mary had sex with her husband Joseph, having at least four children with Him. She died not a virgin and was not an evervirgin. She also is not queen of heaven. She is a person like anyone else.So, that's a cookoo troll, okay
>>525795896a 34 faced figure
>>525796384I mean 40 faced figure
